Thanks for the historical context, It's truly been a life of miracles for me in the fellowship of AA and I'm forever grateful. The understanding of the Big Book and Bill W. growing up requirements in treating his own depression has touched me deeply. If your drinking yourself to death and want to stop. Please make the phone call for help, good sponsorship maybe hard to find at times, but don't Give Up. Your miracle maybe happening today. God bless the AA fellowship and them drunks that show us the way.
I love when my higher power steers me! I still get goose bumps when I think of Wilson Carl Jung Roland h and E Thatcher. Spiritually I'm trying to make the connection between all of this recovery work and my budding interest in Buddhism philosophy. I am new to the speaker but as always I will research her obsessively!
Carl Jung and Bill W are like the spiritual yin and yang of each other. One analytical and one very much a more freethinker and it would be difficult to say which one was which. What a compliment they were to each other. Thank goodness for them!
I believe the Description for this YT video mischaracterizes Bill W’s “leaving” AA…. It is not at all evident that Bill W “left” AA. On the contrary, he turned over the reins of it to the fellowship which is where and how it has since thrived and grown worldwide to the benefit of so many more suffering human beings. This was no doubt Bill Wilson’s intent and dream. In my own view this was the natural and most responsible thing to do by a person who helped found this marvel-producing fellowship as he was then entering the final chapters of his own life. Bill W, along with his cofounder and early subjects as well as Jung, is owed an immeasurable debt of gratitude.
I dont think she said Bill W left AA but that he allowed for his service in AA to be not as a leader or a type of poster child for AA. Instead, through the 12 traditions, he let the AA groups decide for them the best way to grow in sobriety along certain principles. Then Bill W could take a step back from being a Leader to a servant in AA.
I'm Researching the Oxford group & the foundations of Alcoholics Anonymous. It's fascinating stuff! I knew they relied heavily on Christian scripture but didn't know the group had it's own specific process which was later folded into what we call the twelve steps.....! Adding Carl Jung to the mix takes this up a notch🤯
@sparksofpassion If AA is a cult, a voluntary organization where anyone stop going anytime - where there's zero consequences for doing so, then everything's a cult.
Thank you. I've always loved these letters. Another thing I thought was interesting was the connection of Jung and Emanuel Swedenborg's writtings, Lois and Emanuel Swedenborg's writings, and William James's connection to Emanuel Swedenborg's writings.
Hi. Im not a fan of A A But ive done my own research. The one thing i wanted to enlighten u on, is Bill Wilson took many psychodelic drugs during the writing of the Big Bok. Im so grateful we have real therapists who can help with real depressive disorders.
& lets not forget that Wilson also helped that guy who crashed on a deserted island & finally made it back to civilization, think they made a movie about that..
Actually William James "Varieties of Religious Experience" pre-dated Jung and was the Big Book for the AAs that wrote the Big Book. Published in 1902. James educated Jung and Freud on functional psychology and the spiritual solution at the Clark Conference in 1909 though Jung certainly expanded the importance of the spiritual solution and was much more receptive than Freud leading to their subsequent schism in psychoanalysis..
Not quite correct. The Good Book as Snyder called it , ie Bible, was where, Wilson Dr Bob, Clarence Snyder, Bobs sponsee went for guidance and the Oxford Group who were promoting certain christian principle n beliefs. William James was also very influential
@@shipaskof8371 No listen to #JiimBurwell talk who was there. #1 reference book was the James Book who predated Jung. James book is cited in the Big Book (Spirituality) not Jung.
@@shipaskof8371 before Clarence Schneider there is no valid citations only rationalizations that there were such thing as sponsor ever . Closest to sponsor was that someone had to voucher for admissions with sister agnasia . Before Schneider there is no mention of sponsor ,since then, sponsorship has been rationalizations and institutionalized narratives. AKA not true . Rationalized dogma became the institutionalized narratives !
Freud was a straight coke man. About as Spiritual as any mad bastard coming out a cubicle with white nostrils in a night club..... Jung was an LSD red vino man.. Mad as a hatter but more interesting to listen to than someone on cocaine. Bill W used LSD often between mid 50's and 60's.... But abstinence is the only way in Aa 😂😂
Finally someone who actually got that point. Until he gave it back to the members, he was so consumed it likely led and fueled his depression. What a fascinating concept. To me it sounds like AA got so out of hand in it's own growth that even Bill W. couldn't keep up with it. Personally, I had to give it up also as I have reason to believe it was doing the same to me. I felt a relief from it all which is ironic when considering the program was designed to help people, not necessarily trap them. Bill released himself from the bondage of AA early on. Maybe more should take a step back and look at that. And as you stated, let that sit for a while. Let THAT sink in. 😊
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Thanks for the historical context, It's truly been a life of miracles for me in the fellowship of AA and I'm forever grateful. The understanding of the Big Book and Bill W. growing up requirements in treating his own depression has touched me deeply.
If your drinking yourself to death and want to stop. Please make the phone call for help, good sponsorship maybe hard to find at times, but don't Give Up. Your miracle maybe happening today.
God bless the AA fellowship and them drunks that show us the way.
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This video is incredible!! Thank you for providing it, it's extremely inspiring.😊
I love when my higher power steers me! I still get goose bumps when I think of Wilson Carl Jung Roland h and E Thatcher. Spiritually I'm trying to make the connection between all of this recovery work and my budding interest in Buddhism philosophy. I am new to the speaker but as always I will research her obsessively!
Jung and Wilson were tripping balls
Carl Jung and Bill W are like the spiritual yin and yang of each other. One analytical and one very much a more freethinker and it would be difficult to say which one was which. What a compliment they were to each other. Thank goodness for them!
They have both worked together pretty well for me the past 27 years!
So thankful for meetings
❤ Ty...Dr. Gail ...Just found u on u tube!
Wonderful presentation 🙏
Very well done- relevant, informative, soulful, and even witty as an unexpected bonus!
1:06 😊
AWESOME!!!!
I believe the Description for this YT video mischaracterizes Bill W’s “leaving” AA…. It is not at all evident that Bill W “left” AA. On the contrary, he turned over the reins of it to the fellowship which is where and how it has since thrived and grown worldwide to the benefit of so many more suffering human beings. This was no doubt Bill Wilson’s intent and dream. In my own view this was the natural and most responsible thing to do by a person who helped found this marvel-producing fellowship as he was then entering the final chapters of his own life. Bill W, along with his cofounder and early subjects as well as Jung, is owed an immeasurable debt of gratitude.
I dont think she said Bill W left AA but that he allowed for his service in AA to be not as a leader or a type of poster child for AA. Instead, through the 12 traditions, he let the AA groups decide for them the best way to grow in sobriety along certain principles. Then Bill W could take a step back from being a Leader to a servant in AA.
I'm Researching the Oxford group & the foundations of Alcoholics Anonymous.
It's fascinating stuff!
I knew they relied heavily on Christian scripture but didn't know the group had it's own specific process which was later folded into what we call the twelve steps.....!
Adding Carl Jung to the mix takes this up a notch🤯
@sparksofpassion
If AA is a cult, a voluntary organization where anyone stop going anytime - where there's zero consequences for doing so, then everything's a cult.
Frank Buchman was a really mental fascist. Sorry interesting character
Thanks for this 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you. I've always loved these letters. Another thing I thought was interesting was the connection of Jung and Emanuel Swedenborg's writtings, Lois and Emanuel Swedenborg's writings, and William James's connection to Emanuel Swedenborg's writings.
Hi. Im not a fan of A
A But ive done my own research. The one thing i wanted to enlighten u on, is Bill Wilson took many psychodelic drugs during the writing of the Big Bok. Im so grateful we have real therapists who can help with real depressive disorders.
& lets not forget that Wilson also helped that guy who crashed on a deserted island & finally made it back to civilization, think they made a movie about that..
Actually William James "Varieties of Religious Experience" pre-dated Jung and was the Big Book for the AAs that wrote the Big Book. Published in 1902. James educated Jung and Freud on functional psychology and the spiritual solution at the Clark Conference in 1909 though Jung certainly expanded the importance of the spiritual solution and was much more receptive than Freud leading to their subsequent schism in psychoanalysis..
Not quite correct. The Good Book as Snyder called it , ie Bible, was where, Wilson Dr Bob, Clarence Snyder, Bobs sponsee went for guidance and the Oxford Group who were promoting certain christian principle n beliefs. William James was also very influential
@@shipaskof8371 No listen
to #JiimBurwell talk who was there. #1 reference book was the James Book who predated Jung. James book is cited
in the Big Book (Spirituality) not Jung.
Jung writes in his letters he spent two nights with James...James did not educate Jung ,sharing his ideas ,Jung found them interesting.
@@shipaskof8371 before Clarence Schneider there is no valid citations only rationalizations that there were such thing as sponsor ever . Closest to sponsor was that someone had to voucher for admissions with sister agnasia . Before Schneider there is no mention of sponsor ,since then, sponsorship has been rationalizations and institutionalized narratives. AKA not true . Rationalized dogma became the institutionalized narratives !
Freud was a straight coke man. About as Spiritual as any mad bastard coming out a cubicle with white nostrils in a night club..... Jung was an LSD red vino man.. Mad as a hatter but more interesting to listen to than someone on cocaine. Bill W used LSD often between mid 50's and 60's.... But abstinence is the only way in Aa 😂😂
We learn from the ELDERS 🙏
Colud I have video sound, please.
who's making the background noice banging dishes
I think Father Ed Dowling helped Bill Wilson a lot with his spiritual path - more than anyone else in my opinion- their friendship dates back to 1940
Read the new biography called Father Ed by Dawn Goldstein
Is it really that difficult to admit that there's something in the universe bigger than you?
See, all you gotta do is become a brain surgeon, then climb mount Everest naked and you're all set 👍🙄
Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is the truth and he will set you free
LSD ...... ❤
Realm of hungry ghosts
"warped lives of innocent children " big book aa
That concept from Hinduism sounds scarier than any Christian hell could ever be
amazing his depression stopped when he handed ove AA need sit with that
Finally someone who actually got that point. Until he gave it back to the members, he was so consumed it likely led and fueled his depression. What a fascinating concept. To me it sounds like AA got so out of hand in it's own growth that even Bill W. couldn't keep up with it. Personally, I had to give it up also as I have reason to believe it was doing the same to me. I felt a relief from it all which is ironic when considering the program was designed to help people, not necessarily trap them. Bill released himself from the bondage of AA early on. Maybe more should take a step back and look at that. And as you stated, let that sit for a while. Let THAT sink in. 😊
AA. Ugh.
AA is BS