Road testing review: Juiced HyperScorpion electric moped
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The Juiced HyperScorpion ($2,799 ) is the king of the 30+ MPH electric mopeds right now. It combines speed, power and comfort into a utility-packed e-bike. See our full review at: electrek.co/?p...
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All excellently put! When I see a cop car I just hamster wheel because I don't want to pique their curiosity too much.
hahahahaha same!
No VIN number means no way to register it so why get the M endorsement?
@@KennyRider137 They have VINs.
I love all these bikes but I’m actually broke. But there’s always hope
I bought an ecotric Hammer bike and it was the best investment I ever made. I have one leg I don't have any vehicle but the bike and it saved my life. It doesn't come with a nice light and all that stuff so it was $1,400. After I put lights and bought an extra battery and all the stuff I needed I have about $2,000 into it. I never thought I could afford one but it's more like I had to afford one or get a wheelchair
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@@malucos92 that thing it's pretty fast
Look for a used $100-$200 decent 21 speed bike or 7 speed cruiser bike, and then order a $250 ebike kit. 750w kit means continuous 750, 1100 peak. I can go 33 mph on my 26" wheels because they're 2 inch road tires instead of 4 inch fat tires. A thinner rim and tire goes faster than fat tires. Some kits have the option to add a battery for $200-$400. I got a nearly 1kw battery with a luggage rack for $400 on Ali Express. Lots of DIY hub motor wheel kits out there. They install onto the donor bike in a few hours.
you might look on the used market: lots of people buy things they find they don't use, or they upgrade. you might find a good used rad rover or sondors or something. if you're going to go used though, don't buy the cheap chinese crap on CL or whatever.... go for a reputable ebike that you can get parts for.
I was an early investor on Indegogo. I received the Hyperscorpion 1st week in July 2020. Its an interesting bike. I own 2 other non Juiced ebikes. The Hyperscorpion is an ebike on steroids. I've had it well over 30 mph. Its well built and fun to ride.
What was your max speed on the flats?
I've hit 33 on flat ground. Passed 40 downhill, probably could make it near 45 with a long enough run
@@thomasreese2816 very impressive👍
How much do you weigh. That make a difference.
@@budwhite9781 I have a Hyper Scorpion and 33 on flat ground is with full battery only. If you continue to push for that speed it with quickly diminish to 32, 31,30 and then settle on 28-29mph. If you go below 50v Race mode fades. Also the bike is heavy so shooting of the line after 50v is not going to happen. In fact getting off the line without peddle assistance is not advised with this bike. The front fork is clunky and noisy when encountering an unexpected bump or series of bumps. Fork is best ridding on even terrain. Seating is comfortable. Gearing cassette is superb with ratio’s perfectly matched to power levels. Power level outputs are perfectly sync’d to road demands. Bike needs two batteries (25 miles average) will have to buy another for extended rides. You can get 30-35 but the bike was not ment to ride like that. Rear suspension arms are excellent and shocks well suited for the ride this bike is ment for. It’s a sweet ride, solid and secure and performs (loud) but exceptionally well. My god what a beautiful bike!.A great bike that comes with issues. Brakes are dangerous. With proper upgrades (what ever the investment) it will be worth it. Your going to have to finish this dream. Tora woke up early.
We ordered his & hers and can’t wait to get them in and give them a run. This will be our first e bike. Super stoked!
How's the bike so far ??? Do you recommend it?
Did you ever get them? How much did you pay?
I own two of these they absolutely scream uphill, ridiculous torque
Anyone remember them gouging people for 3,500 when this was released then quietly reducing the price to 2,399?
Yep that’s to much
And $2400 is too much.
@@sneat2028 your right but I’m still getting mine in a couple years
@@pascalkargut3237 A lot of manufacturers have popped up since Juiced bikes offering the same type of bike, same design and style for a lot less. Himiway is one of them. Then there is NIU who makes great ebikes and electric motorcycles.
listed on the website for $2699 right now. The "express" model for delivery drivers is priced at $2899.
I just received my regular Scorpion and decided to not get the Hyper version, but I must agree that the Hyper is a “bad ass” bike. I love my little Scorpion, also, it works for me. Juiced is the one company to watch.
Have 160 mi. on mine. Treaded Innova tires arriving today. Those sicky street tires are like slicks if you brake on dirt or sand. As far as top speed, how often are you going to go 30 mph? Bad roads, sidewalks make speed around 20 seem just fine. I like to use the pedals as a throttle and find most of time I'm riding in 2 or 3 on the display. Have never taken it out of 8th. gear. I call it "The Bomber " and might paint the fenders WW2 camo. I trade off between this and a Cross Currant S2 which is cool too. Good machine. Micha knows his stuff.
@@UncleFjester I ordered tires they had on Juiced accessories showing a treaded tire and they sent two that came with the bike. What did you get and from where?
@@UncleFjester Kenda Krusade , Rad bikes
@@mclifer Those are 20x4 did they fit the 20x4.25 wheel good enough?
in retrospect .. it was between this and the segway/s of course i wanted the big one which woulda been too much for me. i bought the hyperscorpion. i agree with everything you pointed out and said and more ! this bike is awesome at night something a lot of ppl overlook or would rarely if ever delve in to... i didnt think i could get in to it myself etc.. but now that i been doing it i am quite happy about it. this bike is a winner and yes there are a couple things i would improve over time its really not needed none of it you get a total package with the hyper and really appreciate that myself after 15 yrs of doing this the wallet can rest a little.
What would u do differently?
First, I own the hyperscorpion. (Silver very happy w color choice) upgrades I've done include: med baggers, phone bag (between the legs under the seat don't use it for phone glove compartment) then I installed the 1000w motorcycle stereo from gohawk (about 200$) The stereo itself is awesome but it does come with four speakers I'm only able to mount 2 in the front because I'm not able to contact the manufacturer. (even after all these years still can't get contact.) It's a slight disappointment because I wanted louder sound really and I'm not done with it but I may uninstall it. Don't get me wrong I'm not going to throw it away or nothing I will just use it with my trailer kit that I'm still working on and will be for quite some time apparently. :) (t
hink light camper) I also installed 2x cheap (10$) huffy cup holders (from Walmart one for a drink one for trash as I smoke/drink a lot and I do not like to litter ) then I did the windshield which was great until I crashed it and it got scratched so I took it off. (Kind of a waste of 70 bucks but I like having the equipment that came with it for other installs down the road maybe) in retrospect I would have got the smaller windshield were I could do it again. (Basically I got the chips patrol size) I also upgraded the tires to shinko's and will never go back no regrets there The bike should have came with knobbies in the first place in my opinion. (It was too dangerous at the speeds I travel.) Just a little advice to anybody that might be new to the game do the tires first. The bike took no damage (other than the scrapes on either or hand grips) and I have had at least four dumps... I can't emphasize that enough since the last one I must have been doing about 30 and dislocated my shoulder. (Yay lol... Recommend motorsport com) it's a cheap enough upgrade and I would have done it sooner were I not handicapped already, but it is quite a bit of work to remove the back tire and that has been my biggest struggle. (So I would recommend also getting a sufficient jack what should I still need to do) and then I put a wooden beer case box (bud) on the back as a trunk. (65$) I spent about $20 on additional hardware (2x lock/key and sealed it w eurothane) amazingly it has taken very little damage in all my crashes. :) (Just a couple scrapes easily fixed) Right now I'm waiting for my new battery. (Should be here Monday) I didn't need it really but I want to be able to go far
ther again) it can still clock 20 plus miles per charge without pedaling after 2.5-3 yrs and around 2k mi... Juice had 20% off sale I think they still do so I got the updated battery, Apple air tag, pump, and the phone holder. Found out after I got it the Apple air tag only will work if you have an apple (which I do not use). The pump is great almost too good... And the phone holder which I was really intimidated by and plan to install later today is also awesome. The reason I was intimidated by is because it comes with so many wires... It took me a couple days of looking at it several times till I realized one of the wire setups is only needed on other bikes and this is made exactly for my bike The scorpion. It allows you to plug in where the USB is plugged in and split into two so you'll retain your original USB charging on the handlebars and you'll still have the phone and charger separately which I really like. (Even though in all honesty I have yet to use the USB charger I'm going to be believe me. I dream about photography all the time and that's why I just got my first real drone. (DJI mini 3) it's very small and easily fits into my trunk... As far as the trunk goes I wanted to point out that the stereo requires a 12 volt system so all this time I've been running around with a 12 volt 12 amp motorcycle battery in the trunk. (One of the reasons I wanted to get rid of the stereo or replace it with something else) there's a lot of storage in there and I like that I just didn't like the extra weight if I was going to do it I'd rather have a second battery. Which brings me to my final point which is... I thought that this bike would be developed more and they would make more accessories for it. (I figured he would come out with a rack for the back that could hold an additional one or two batteries... But no such luck. Seems like instead Tora dropped the whole project and just moved on to the next... (Kind of sad really because there's nothing in this class ((around 30 mph)) that I consider even close to this bike which I really consider an electric moped.) Right now they have this bike on close out because of an issue over the name or something... At the current 1900 bucks I definitely recommend it. Oh yeah there is only one other thing I can really complain about lol... It's kind of annoying to have to turn off the blinkers. (You would think it could do that itself automatically but naw) anyways good luck and I hope this might have helped anybody out there with some questions and I'd be happy to answer any more. Thanx
Oh yeah I also did the 210 mm front rotor upgrade for the brakes. (Highly recommend cheap ebay)
Looking forward to a HyperScrambler 2 review, expected to ship in late November for those who pre-ordered on launch day. Hopefully Juiced will lend you a review model 🤙🏻
I got mine the morning it went on pre order, confirmed for November shipping. Cant wait
Mr Railfan same here! Can't wait man
It is tempting, but the lack of rack/storage space made me decide against it. Went with just adding an extra 40Ah battery to the HyperScorpion instead 🤩
Let's just say IT IS AWESOME. Video should be up by next week
Electrek.co 😳 wow!
This is amongst my top e-bike options that I’m juggling between. It’s got everything I want!
Brings back nostalgia feels!! I had a Honda Express (Virtually same body) scooter as a teen! And I'm checking local Provincial laws for import and registration to get this bike! Would be great to park the car for shorter errands!
This bike has replaced my car. Have various sized quick-swap racks on the back up to 2'x2' plus two big panniers for doing huge grocery runs. Added a 40Ah battery to go any distance
Where did you grab the different sized quick-swap racks? This is what I'm looking to do too.
What/where did you get the 40Ah battery?
My brushed aluminum arrived 3 weeks ago Power is amazing. Gear Eco 1-2-3/Sport/Race motor (ratios to power) out put is spec’d spot on-across all levels. Not only that though the cassette gearing is perfectly matched to sync with the motor. No hamsters here! If you use the whole system properly you can get 30-35 miles. Remember you must not go below 20% on the battery. If you ride like a snail more but you won’t do that. It’s impossible with a bike this fun. Now ride with fun and ease with occasional blow out show off and 20-25 miles. Rip it with hills and 15-20. As to the bad...the brakes suck eggs and the front fork needs upgrade as well. The bike is worth the investment. Finally as to weight for me love it solid on the road and going over the local 2 mile bridge no wind problems-steady.
People need to slow down naturally and not try to rely on brakes to stop them in such a short distance. I have a bike converted with 750w motor and a 960ah battery. Rim brakes and I can stop easily with them. Even with that big battery and the front hub motor, the whole bike is less than 50 pounds. I can imagine a weighty moped such as the Hyper Scorpion needs more in the way of braking power.
Nathan DuPhene yes right they say the better the brakes the more you abuse them. That said there are times when you gotta stop. There are idiots in cars pushing their brakes to the limit and wipes there it is! Gotta have good brakes even for those jerks who put glass on the bike path. I plan to go with Magura E-Stops. Haven’t decided on the fork yet if you got suggestion please send.
Can I buy extra batteries ?
Love it, my motorized bicycle goes up to 41mph and working on making it go faster, but I am hoping I never get pulled over.
Wear your helmet and unless you run a stop sign in front of a cop, cough, cough, they ignore you. Think I love this thing.
I put a 29L GIVI top case on mine to increase the utility of the Scorpion; love the quality/components of the Scorpion. I am coming to this ebike from motorcycles, so I appreciate the suspension on this Scorpion; it works and makes the ride comfortable. I also added the raised seat platform, phone holder and HeadBanger Headlight Speaker. All quality items that increase the utility/fun of the Scorpion.
This is easily an option to the Vespa ELETTRICA 45 but is priced about $4.5K less! The Scorpion may weigh 102 lbs but the Vespa weighs 287 lbs. They have similar top speed and range in all electric mode; if you pedal with the Scorpion, you can go further. Since the battery is removable on the Scorpion, it is easier to recharge. Storage is similar with the top case on the Scorpion. You do not have to register the Scorpion with the DMV and carry insurance, but you do with the Vespa. When you look at the Scorpion in this light, it is a bargain.
Great review Micah! HyperScorpion Rocks! They're $1899 right now! I was looking for range and top speed though...
it has a lot going for it, dual suspension, 8 speed, mirrors, USB charging port, turn signals, twist throttle, rack, tall seat option, huge battery, send it to me!
The bike has issues if your willing to spend to fix them you will own one F_cking bad ass bike. If you blew your wad on the buy price. Your F_cked. So far so good for me no electrical issues to date (there are horror stories out there) mostly from IGG buys. Covid-19 hit and everything spun. Parts were hard to get labor know how couldn’t work and shipping stopped. Design as you go corrections tanked. I waited for pre-order elven though it cost more. Also ordered brushed aluminum. Turned out those were the last sent out so errors had chance to correct. Bike is a concept master piece. It’s there you can see it. No other bike on market comes close if you got 🈵🈴🈹🈲🉐㊙️🈶🈚️🈸🈺🆘 translation> MONEY. I plan to spend with premium fork up front, Magura E-Stops brakes w/4” RX tires up front and their 5” in back (fo’ starters). When you see me coming down the road you’ll back up!
@@DanielLopes-jt8yl so you can't afford the USA made Super73 is what your saying!
Badass! What a great descriptor
Just noticed you are wearing some Vibram five finger shoes. I have quite a few pair and really enjoy how they strengthen your individual toes and improve overall balance. Anyways, ride on.
BUD WHITE - Are you a hiker, climber, and/or traceur?
Very well done in a nice short amount of time. Thanks.
Yes, there is absolutely no need to spend 50+ minutes on a bicycle review (EBR).
This would probably be MASSIVE overkill for a 10 mile round trip to work and back but man, oh man do I want it.
Im in the same exact situation
@@valgoyt912 you could argue a car is overkill and this is perfect
🍎👍 So "amped" about
these ebikes and e-mopeds. Such a cool addition to the climate protection movement. -H
I just burned a case of plastic bottles bc you typed that
This bike is so much fun to ride! Got mine today and boy does it RIP
How was your experience so far? I'm still undecided whether to buy this one or the xclass
@@kekorubio3203 So far pretty good. Very fun to ride and I have made some modifications and put 130miles on it. I will be making a video on it soon.
@@nolanspoerl8686 Excellent, thank you for answering, I have had doubts because I have seen videos on youtube indicating that the scorpion brings problems and that has stopped me from buying it, I will be attentive to your video, new suscriber✌️
Do you have instagram?
just ordered mine in blue! stoked to get it!
How do you feel this Hyperscorpian will do on steep hills like the longest steep hills in San Fransisco and going up one after another ?
Thanks for your thoughts !
Been watching it for a while ❤️
Complaints about the brakes and the crappy Atlus derailer are pretty glaring issues at this price point. You'd expect everything to be totally dialed in and perfect for the flagship product.
dude its still mass market china bike that juiced basically orders enough volume from ziejiang limbo to spec a few things
DO YOU NEED A LICENSE AND REGISTRATION?
Do you need to register and get insurance for this one?
I wish it was available in Europe! I would buy two
i've come super close to buying one several times. in a weak moment, i might actually fall prey to this bikes charms. my days of rocketing around on bmw's are probably over, but i'm so down with this, lol!
@@UncleFjester what is IGG? i'd probably go for $2k.
@@skip123davis IGG = IndieGoGo :) the release of the bike was from an IndieGoGo campaign. The first run of these bikes were apparently riddled with issues. Not sure if it's stilll going on though.
@@SnowySnugglekins ah. thank you. i was aware that this was a crowd sourced deal. wasn't aware of any issues though.
With flash sale ending today its less than 2200 with taxes shipped
I’ve never owned a ebike but I think this will be my first it will be good to take to and from school
I would love to be able to trade in my 18 month old ccx for this one. 😉
I purchased this bike 1yr ago and I would not recommend it. After 14 months it broke due to electric component failure. Im an avonics specalist with a major airline and so have training and experiance working with electrical components and systems. This is build with cheap parts in China. Specifically the battery terminals and connections are unsafe and will burn which is a mjor safety concern. Mine bike failed and Juiced bikes was even aware of the manufacturing flaw but took no steps to fix it. Please see other youtube videos documenting this dangerous issue.
Great reviews. I’m currently looking to buy a moped style ebike for cruising around town - how would it handled with a passenger ? (I’m 5’10 160lbs and my gf is 5’4 120 lbs) ? I’m concerned about the rear suspension not strong enough t hold both of us . Appreciate any actual ride test feedback.
Suspension will be fine, but your range will suffer. I'd go with a hyperscrambler 2
can't call it a moped, they need you to have a license, registration and insurance; that's why they keep the pedals, at least in Australia
Can't register it without a VIN number here in the US.
@@JmieRUclips that's a good point, be the same down here I reckon
Or in the UK... in fact, I don’t think throttle controlled ebikes are legal... they have to be pedal assist otherwise you need a CBT (up to 125cc power equivalent) or full motorcycle license... quite strict here! Which stifles innovation in my humble opinion!
Please review a SURU. Thx. Good job on the channel
Does this have to be registered in most states?
Great review Did you do a review on the ariel rider x class! Really was hoping you would do a review on that model!
Looks like a nice ride.
I dropped my battery and broke the casing and even though it still works I can't use it. Can you tell me where to buy a replacement casing or where I can get it repaired ?
I am very eager to buy it but how much does it cost & is it near to Pittsburgh ?
My head hurts from all of the research I have been doing on these kinds of E-Bikes over the past 72 hours. This is the last Bike that I have pretty much read, watched videos on. I like it a lot but while the reviews look good, the comments from 8 videos all say "Do Not Buy This Bike" because of poor quality control issues. I almost pulled the trigger today, glad I waited. Last thing, those are dang ugly weld points, someone needs to review the process at the factory. Look at better bikes and you will see what I mean. The Chinese are known for poor paint and welding so be careful with anything you buy from China unless the manufacturer is US based and visits the factory on a regular basis. Think Apple, Powertac to name a few. Too bad, I really like this bike : (
where the hell can I find new front brake disk, the tektro 180-24's ??????????
I wish they weren't so expensive because I'd love to have one or at least try one out.... I wouldn't want to buy one then want to sell it because I was disappointed by something.
I currently have the super73 s2, would you say this hyperscorpion would be an upgrade?
Good bike
nice would you prefer this over Ariel x class?
awesome review :) hey guys i have a ? my Bafang 1500w system on the screen comes up every now and then saying the temp sensor inside the motor fault, even when bike has sat for days.
I’ll watch for that no problems yet. This bike comes with issues. If that’s all you go your a lucky man. I got lucky as I got the brushed aluminum. These were the last batch out. I’m thinking they had time to address issues that came up prior. A wonderful bike that was not properly finished I.e., quality control tested. I don’t know if Juiced will survive this. Hope they do and have fix solution for us.
I just bought mine.. It was on sale for $1,900.00
Where?
how does the newer Scorpion X compare to the hyperscorpion now?
This guy just dropped to 1899
is there any actual bike security features? for a $4000 bike, i expect something. do the wheels lock to to prevent theft? does the hub motor lock? these are easy targets for thieves.
What is the cheapest bike with the Bafang Ultra M620 1000w mid drive?
When is Hyper Scorpion 2 coming?
Yes that is really nice. A 50-mile range on just battery is really good. But I found if you go slower you go farther. Or if it's windy or if you're going up hills especially if it's windy and you're going up a h i l l it will eat up a battery like crazy
I’ve got one your not getting real road 50 miles on this bike. Wake up.
@@DanielLopes-jt8yl how much? 25?
How do I get my hyperscorpion to reach 33mph with throttle
I just don't get how you can justify riding without protection against road rash. At 40-50 km/h speeds it is still going to hurt like hell sliding and leave you healing for weeks. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. I copped road rash once, I was only going at like 20 kp/h, and now I gear up no matter what.
we're not pussies i guess
@@nutsackmania No you're just a fucking moron. 👍
Do you need a registration / license plate for these in the US?
No, you wouldn't be able to register it anyway even if you wanted to. No VIN. Trust me I tried already lol
Pretty big dude what’s the weight cap
It a modern Puch Maxi...
Ditto...I had one of those things in the 80’s 😀👍🏼
Can you fit somebody on the back?
Uncle Fjester 😂
i'm a moderately handicapped geezer....i can't get around ,under my own power, to go to highland games, out door art festivals, car shows etc...... would this conveyance work in that role....typical e-bikes really lack the guts to move my 250lb frame
@@UncleFjester thanks mr Adams ;-)
looks good but needs a better display
How do you charge it?
Kaha se kharid sakte
Will they sell it in Europe?
What happens when it rains
Not everyone is made of sugar. :)
Can you unlock it?
Remind me TVS XL100cc this one hyperscorpion
Did I hear you say "when the apocalypse happens" ?
Review the cab motorworks electric bike!!!!!
Is it worth 2k?
Hyper Scrambler 2 review?
Wow..n stylish too
The spokes on my older ocean current bike kept snapping and that only had a 500 w motor. Changing to motorcycle wheels was necessary. I wouldn't mind if they released a version without the pedals and chain and just made it into a moped. Let the buyer handle making it legal.
Cant make it legal because juiced doesn't make VINs for it. I've inquired about a bill of sale for my pre order and you can register it with a bill of sale through some companies which will give you a title for the vehicle, but I'm not holding my breath on juiced providing a bill of sale.
❤ looking for battery for this bike
It needs Arial Rider D class handlebars. Those look too ape hangerish to be taken serously. It also needs the Himiway ..... " throttle only" to max speed kind of performance. Pedaling like make fool to get top speed is NUTS !
*$2800-$3500* is way too much the NIU ebike which is far better is much less. I guess some manufacture's don't want to sell a lot of product. Not to mention, several ebikes have popped up that look and perform identical to these Hyperscorpion ebikes, for less than $2000.
man, if I had the bread, I'd trade in my wimpy Veego semi fat bike.
Show me the cheapest ebike
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Soo we need a driver's license for this?
Just found my new bike
More of paid comercial than actual review, no details of negative mechanical performance of bike itself or servicebility/warranty etc.
Don't know how this channel got over 160k subscribers.
Price how much?
They just had a sale where it was 2000
Here come Onyx riders with the thumbs down lol
@@UncleFjester lol That answers my question...getting the Ariel X bike. Btw how long does the scorpio bike take to fully charge?
Seriously.... the music?
W... T... F...
Looks good if you dont like pedaling
Man I wish they would sell this as a moped in EU
@@UncleFjester why?
I wish have this but when 😥😥😥
0:09 *Man's got a bike that sounds like a Lambo XD!*
Wow
It's like a sports car.Best look hot.But the mirrors are ridiculous don't match the bike
REVIEW CAB MOTORWORKS
Im'ma get one fur miself. Only $299.00
Hard to believe it's an ebike
Aws,juice
King? Ever heard of an Onyx?