I identify with Clint a lot - I was a lot like him in my late teens/early 20s (late 90s/early 2000s, so a bit before the cell phone/internet meeting people boom) before I grew out of it and got things figured out a little more. I had questionable self-esteem, I struggled a lot socially, I was a lot harder on myself than everybody else was, and I was very focused on finding a girlfriend and being successful romantically. I was also raised religious, which might have been part of it - so much of the focus of even my fairly liberal Christian upbringing was finding your soulmate and starting a family. And so many of my peers seemed to have so much more success with it all, especially while I felt like I was so much "nicer" than them. I was also very aware of my struggles, but I just genuinely didn't know what to do about it. My attempts and my tries to improve often failed pretty miserably, although it was at least 50/50 between people actually rejecting me and me often self-sabotaging in various ways. Some of Clint's more "cringe" lines are stuff I probably actually said at some point. And looking back with 20/20 hindsight there were absolutely people trying their hardest to be my friend and even a couple girls/women who were probably interested in me, I just was focused on the wrong people and things and completely screwed it up. Fortunately I escaped it before I went full on r/niceguy or incel material. I realized that people actually liked having me around. People liked my work and thought well of me. I realized there was more to life than finding a girlfriend and treating every social situation like a potential date or potential for meeting someone to date. I made actual friends and hung out with them and did things. It was some of the hardest and most difficult stuff I ever did, putting myself out there and trying not to overthink or assume people were being negative about me. And I still struggle all the time with social anxiety and people interactions, but I have friends, a social life, etc etc and have found a pretty good middle ground. So I've always defended Clint a bit because I feel like he's not really a bad guy, just a shy, anxious guy focused on the wrong stuff right now who comes across a bit creepy now and then. Maybe someday he'll get it figured out and such. It's a shame he's not marriable (without mods) because I think there'd be a great opportunity to show him growing past his focus on Emily and realizing there's a whole big world out there beyond her and his focus on her.
Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you did some self-reflection and took another look at your life and the friends you did have in your life. I wonder if Clint can ever do that, and I really hope so. There's definitely potential.
If I were a guy, I probably would’ve been an incel for a while too. I was raised Catholic and went to a catholic school and remember that I was always focused on getting married and having kids, not much else
So basically for Clint to be redeemed, he just needs an arc - just like Shane who at some point realized that he cannot continue his life like this anymore. This needs a lot of work. He could start as this socially awkward angsty dude who blames entire world for his saddness, who at some point realizes that problem is in him and his atitide, and at the end of the day he doesn't need to be married, to be happy. I belive that such story for Clint could be very compeling and relatable. Current state of Clint is so frustrating. Oddly, I don't mind his crush on Emily and that sometimes he acts awkward around her - my biggest issue is that he stops talking to her, when farmer starts dating her. I was treated like that, and it sucks. Just like my only value is that I can be someones girlfriend. Guys didn't wanted to be friends with me, when I rejected their romantic interest. I'm not obligated to romanticaly like someone back, but I still can like them as a person. Do they even liked me as a person? Do Clint even like Emily as friend?
I truly feel that Shane and Clint are two sides of the same coin, but only one of them got help. They're both drawn to Emily, Emily is drawn to them, spend a lot of their time in isolation, unhappy and miserable. It would be so nice if there was an event or something for Clint to change. And yeah, he just drops Emily like that. So it makes me think that his loneliness is self-inflicted, truly.
@sodorart Good point! Overall, I don't mind characters that are not able to change - I really like that Pam has issues with putting down alcohol after you buy her a house. But this was framed in the way that she understood that her povety didn't caused her problem, but it is something within her and she needs to work on that. Clint doesn't have such closure, and he could benefit a lot from such. Maybe he could confess his feelings to Emily and be rejected by her, learning that she is not obligated to love him back?
EXACTLY!!! THEY JUST SEE WOMEN AS PARTNERS NOT FRIENDS THATS THE PROBLEM. They think women only should be in my life if I'm gonna date them and I think every girl has experienced this and it's annoying when you wanna build actual FRIENDSHIPS
Omg i want clint and willy to become bros SO bad. Clint is so awkward and like doesnt know how to act around people and i feel like willy would be such a breath of fresh air for him. Willy to me is a sweet, chill dude who understands the struggles of socializing and would be patient with Clint, but would actually ask him questions that would make him look deeper into himself. Why exactly he hates being a blacksmith yet still takes pride in his work, stuff like that. Clint could do with some introspection and honesty.
Always happy to see another Star drop corner come out. My favorite was the one on Elliott. Anyone else think it'd be cool if the bachelors and bachelorettes got together by say, year 4 if you didn't give a bouquet by that time? I think it'd be a neat way to show the world moving forward.
I think characters like Clint are what happen when a group of people are systematically neglected. There's no excuse for his behavior, but there's a bit of evidence that Clint didn't have much choice in how his life went because of a father who just expected him to take up the family business regardless of Clint's feelings, in addition to his overall isolation from the rest of the community. We don't see much more than that in game but there's some folks taking notice of the whole "male loneliness" topic and many of them have made good points better than I can ever could. For me I was quite isolated when I was younger, I had very strong feelings about getting into a relationship, but I lacked the social tools to develop one, platonic or romantic. I recently discovered I am autistic which explains some of that difficulty with building relationships.
@@ham8426 the isolation the comes with a small town like Pelican Town is something that contributes to a lot of issues for sure. I also think the technology is a little behind, not everyone has a computer, so it's even more difficult to connect with others
I'm not sure access to the internet would help Clint much, both in that he'd likely fall into bad circles that would make his behaviour worse. Plus in our world where internet access is relatively ubiquitous it hasn't done much to make isolation better, and in many ways its gotten worse.
Honestly never understood the ‘Clint is an incel/nice guy’ thing. I’ve met incels and nice guys. Clint is NOT one of them. They are soooo much worse. Clint’s just an awkward guy.💀 Clint is just a dude that’s too shy, reclusive, and out of touch to actually talk to Emily. He sticks in his shop all year round and that affects his social skills. I love this game, but the one gripe I have with it is the things regarding characters and changed events. For example: 1) Even if you’re married to Emily, the game still plays the heart event of him trying to talk to her at work. This shouldn’t play ‘cause Clint doesn’t pursue Emily after he thinks you’re dating, so why would he when he’d know you’re married? 2) Can still give Shane beer and it’ll be a loved gift post-6 heart event.
If anything the dialogue in 1.6 solidifies Clint as the person he is. On the green rain day and the day after he keeps talking about wanting to be a hero basically. But it gives me the vibes of one of those people who wants the zombie apocalypse 🙄 Marlon also says “Clint’s blades get shaper every year, so do his prices”. He’s the only person I can think of who mentions Clint. I don’t think he’s going to change and I honestly prefer it. A town full of perfect happy people is boring 😅
For your last sentence: I think the reason ConcernedApe makes Emily always great and has no tangible flaws is to contrast with people close to her like Haley, Shane and Clint who are all messes at the beginning. In a story with many personalities and characters like this, I think static characters like her, Willy, Evelyn etc. are needed.
Ohhhh I've been waiting for a Clint video! Great podcast! I believe a significant reason why Clint is so disliked by players is tied to Emily being made a marriage candidate. This change framed Clint’s interest in Emily as “competition” for players, and additionally, the update introduced many petty lines to his dialogue. In the game’s Character Dispositions code, Clint and Emily are coded as each other’s only friends. In earlier versions of the game, the “mutual friend” designation applied to characters who were official love interests for one another. This suggests that their connection might originally have been intended to feel more organic rather than adversarial. Clint’s 6-heart event is also widely misinterpreted. Contrary to popular belief, he’s not stalking or spying on Emily. He’s actually trying to work up the courage to ask her out on a date, but when he unexpectedly sees her approaching, he panics and hides in the bushes to retreat unnoticed. In this event, the player essentially acts as his wingman. As for his awkward, self-deprecating dialogue and outwardly cringey behavior, it reflects how much he trusts and looks up to the player. He feels safe enough to open up, seeking advice and help from us. I find his willingness to be vulnerable and share his insecurities endearing. This openness reminds me of Harvey, who starts openly adressing his anxieties and inner struggles after marriage, whereas Clint admires the player and confides in us much earlier. For some reason, Clint’s readiness to be vulnerable makes it hard for me to dislike him. I think ConcernedApe’s original intention with Clint was to portray an awkward guy who pines for Emily in a recurring, comedic way while Emily remains completely oblivious. However, after Emily became a marriage candidate, this dynamic fell apart, and Clint’s characterization went downhill.
good points on Clint and his anxieties and ineptness. for me the thing that puts me off Clint is especially how he doesn't speak positively about people or interests like the others might do (Sebastian is a bit of a whiner as well but talks about Sam and his fun pranks and he likes fantasy novels, rpg, music, pool). Clint could have one hobby even if it's anime and he could say willy is a cool dude I admire him. with Emily it depends how old Emily is. I think you say she is in her thirties as well so whatever. I thought late 20s and Clint 40s. in Germany lots of people drink beer in the cinema. some sell beer in bottles, wine in glasses 🍷 longdrinks, cocktails. don't see how that makes Clint a weirdo
It's moreso the fact that it's an unmarked flask he had hiding in his jacket and he lies and says it's Joja Cola. We also have alcohol served in the cinema here too. It's fine to drink, it's weird to lie about it
I just wanted to say how much I love this stardew valley channel, there aren’t many ones that promote love and understanding to characters, around people arguing about the marriage candidates they hate or characters that are ‘toxic’ for the mistakes they make, this approaches things from a much kinder, more analytical and helpful (even therapeutic) standpoint that reminds me exactly why I like stardew valley. Just much more healing for the soul. Thanks! 👍🏻
Honestly, I don't think Clint is bad, I think he is socially very awkward - and even with lots of trying it might not get better speaking from experience - and he's kind of a bit too desperately 'in love'. Few of my own thoughts: 1. I do get hiccups from soda as well, so it's not necessarily that it is alcohol because he hiccupped. (also depends on how long someone is sipping. I've sipped soda quick and gotten hiccups before). But drinking from a flask does kind 2. From experience, even I get awkward around some people, even someone online I've been gaming with for a bunch of times. At work sometimes I do get awkward at times talking to colleagues. And yes, I do try, by not completely avoiding any contact. But I do still get awkward. 3. If someone has trauma from their past (we don't know from clint but let's assume so), it's not that odd for him to talk in a bad way about himself. 4. I think being in love without talking too much is hard. It's still possible being around someone well enough to know how they act and about their interests. For example, if I'm around someone who loves to write who has a lot of creativity and is really sweet - and I know that those are things I'm attracted too - over time it could get me to 'end up in love with them'. Could very well be just affection, but I don't think it's completely out of the ordinary to fall for someone you don't talk too much if ever but are around much and know how they are. I was rambling a lot. But nice podcast as every one has been. I cannot wait for the next one.
Clint's an easy target. He takes two full days to upgrade your tool (now you can't mine or water crops or whatever) and prior to 1.6 he was even worse because while working on your tool he would also cease to crack geodes or sell you ore. Then you complete the community center -- beat the game, like you're supposed to -- and he effectively punishes you by now being closed on Fridays to spend time in that community center. Also he closes at 4, early enough to cause many an annoying near miss that sets the player's schedule back a day. In terms of gameplay mechanics, Clint becomes inconvenient. He is often a bottleneck, to us. So the fandom is more amenable to accepting the most unflattering reads of his characterization, because they're already frustrated with him. And so "incel" has stuck to him like glue. Because who cares, it's just Clint, the asshole who takes too long to give us our pickaxe back. So the meme quickly takes on a life of it's own. Basically an even more extreme version of Pierre with his "weird" choice of day off.
Idk I just find his crush on Emily kinda creepy But I do feel like he needs like an arc of some sort? Like maybe become less insecure or something? He needs more attention as a character from concerned ape I think!
I’ve never invited Clint to the movies before…. Now I definetely never will 😂😂 I dont hate Clint.. I just forget him and when I do talk to him, he makes me feel uncomfortable hahah 😅
Please keep making more of these I love your takes we have a similar thought process and I love your videos! I hope to see longer content like this to listen to while I work on beating stardew 😂❤
Just throwing this out there. Stardew is based off harvest moon. We all know that. What if Clint is cliff but took a wrong turn in life? Cliff was ready to leave town and had a bad relationship with his grandpa in more friends of mineral town (the girl farmer version). Until he marries and settles down. I have a feeling this is the Cliff CA was seeing and how he would end up under his grandpa’s thumb.
19:47 To me the smile makes this very obviously a joke, like of course it's alcohol, but obviously that's not something you're supposed to bring to a theater, so he's claiming it's something ridiculous that it's obviously not (Joja cola comes in a can, of all the drinks this is the least likely to be carried in a flask). 33:00 I will say I see this pulled out of context a lot, and I think it's very unfair. He was gathering his courage to speak with Emily when she caught him by surprise. He hides out of discomfort and embarrassment, with the intention to leave as soon as possible. It may have been a poor spur of the moment decision to hide when since he uncomfortable or embarrassed, but I don't really think it's something worth examining so harshly. If he had done it with intention or made it a habit, that's one thing, but that's simply not the case here. That said, I'm not going as far saying apologizing for it would be a bad thing, and considering Emily views him as a friend, I think she'd react fairly understanding. I totally agree with your conclusion, Clint has a strangely unfinished character arc as it stands. He ends in the exact same place where he begins, arguably worse. Having him take responsibility and find happiness outside of romance would be a good start!
I can proudly say that you changed my opinion on Clint a little, he isn't really horrible, but he isn't great either for example spying on Emily and making us (the farmer) give her an amethyst and say it's from him which she doesn't really care about because she's happy that we gave it to her. I agree with you he can redeem himself, he's just not really trying, he can't move on (he still talks to us about Emily in a way that he's still interested in her even after we married her which really pisses me off and which explains why i've been hating him so much), he doesn't really talk to much people even though as you said they don't seem to hate him, the point is that any akwardness can be minimalized he's just not really trying. As always great video sodor 😎😎😎🤯
Clint is such a frustrating character.. Actively believing he is no good, or unable to do things but will make no steps into actively changing his behaviors or try new things. We can see it in emilys 8 heart event with the fashion therapy. clint cant pull himself to go through with the style he chose. And I feel like alot of people can find that aspect about him relatable. Its hard to come out of your shell. I feel like he doesnt look for ways to improve his life outside of dating, And he looks for his own happiness exclusively through the idea of dating emily. like she is going to be the band-aid of his life. He has tons of free time and he chooses to use it watching her at the saloon when he can, and to me that is a bit creepy. Nothing he does feels like its just because he genuinely enjoys it. Like when he wears his new shoes to the festival. its not because he just likes them and wants to look cool, its to impress his peers. like.. idk buying from a clothes brand you cant afford just to look cool to your peers. Hes so busy worrying about it that he doesnt even realize he wore them out at night at the darkest festival where no one can even see them. its like hes self sabotaging. There is so much I dont like about clint on top of this, but he could be redeemable. If he were to be redeemable, he would have to really look deep inside himself to change, actively work on himself and stop going immediately into a self pity party. *gulp* this is such a g-great video sodor *gulp* maybe if we like and subscribe w-we will keep getting cool and epic podcast videos-
@@Legendary_dragoon34 LMFAO the last paragraph But seriously, yeah we agree. He's not some evil villain but good god. Desperate for an ounce of attention but ONLY from women he finds attractive. He thinks women will be his cure all and he's hugely mistaken. Hopefully he can realize that with some updated dialogues or cutscenes
I think generally like the people of Pelican Town a whole lot more than what's the general short? Am I too good at brushing over bad things? I am single by choice btw not that I'm a self marriage kinda person, but in my experience societal expectations is something living rent-free in our heads. Perhaps because of the place I live but people are generally very ok and fine with the non-confirming choices that I make. I've lived here most of my life, I guess that helps, but it could also be because give a mental finger to those who want to judge?
I would love to see Clint have more relationships with other townspeople. Not necessarily positive ones, just anything that shows he’s real person. i think my problem with his character is that he seems like a caricature. In real life, people with his attitudes develop them through social interaction. I think it would be interesting to see him have more of an interaction with Marlon and Gus - maybe his shop is closed once a week to visit them, or vice versa - or with Gunther who’s right next door and displays the gems and minerals from the geodes clint breaks. None of those other characters have any characterization, and connecting them to Clint could characterize them as socially awkward workaholics in an interesting way? Maybe they’re also depressed loners, and Marlon’s crush on Marnie is similar to Clint’s crush on Emily Or maybe all those guys, like Willie, are perfectly normal dudes, but the fact that he only has friendships with men highlights his sexism - he doesn’t view women as unique people with their own perspectives I think a relationship between Clint and Demetrius could also be interesting. Demetrius is also very social awkward sometimes and gets engrossed in his work. He can be overly protective of his daughter and condescending to his wife, but he’s still loved by both of them. I think a situation in which Clint helps Demetrius by refining bars or materials for his research - or Maru’s engineering - would give him a little more depth and presence in the world
I agree wholeheartedly. It was really difficult to find any info about him that didnt include Emily except for that ONE line at the festival, on even years only. Despite all of the dialogues and cutscenes, he still feels like such a minor background character
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I identify with Clint a lot - I was a lot like him in my late teens/early 20s (late 90s/early 2000s, so a bit before the cell phone/internet meeting people boom) before I grew out of it and got things figured out a little more. I had questionable self-esteem, I struggled a lot socially, I was a lot harder on myself than everybody else was, and I was very focused on finding a girlfriend and being successful romantically. I was also raised religious, which might have been part of it - so much of the focus of even my fairly liberal Christian upbringing was finding your soulmate and starting a family. And so many of my peers seemed to have so much more success with it all, especially while I felt like I was so much "nicer" than them. I was also very aware of my struggles, but I just genuinely didn't know what to do about it. My attempts and my tries to improve often failed pretty miserably, although it was at least 50/50 between people actually rejecting me and me often self-sabotaging in various ways. Some of Clint's more "cringe" lines are stuff I probably actually said at some point. And looking back with 20/20 hindsight there were absolutely people trying their hardest to be my friend and even a couple girls/women who were probably interested in me, I just was focused on the wrong people and things and completely screwed it up.
Fortunately I escaped it before I went full on r/niceguy or incel material. I realized that people actually liked having me around. People liked my work and thought well of me. I realized there was more to life than finding a girlfriend and treating every social situation like a potential date or potential for meeting someone to date. I made actual friends and hung out with them and did things. It was some of the hardest and most difficult stuff I ever did, putting myself out there and trying not to overthink or assume people were being negative about me. And I still struggle all the time with social anxiety and people interactions, but I have friends, a social life, etc etc and have found a pretty good middle ground.
So I've always defended Clint a bit because I feel like he's not really a bad guy, just a shy, anxious guy focused on the wrong stuff right now who comes across a bit creepy now and then. Maybe someday he'll get it figured out and such. It's a shame he's not marriable (without mods) because I think there'd be a great opportunity to show him growing past his focus on Emily and realizing there's a whole big world out there beyond her and his focus on her.
Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you did some self-reflection and took another look at your life and the friends you did have in your life. I wonder if Clint can ever do that, and I really hope so. There's definitely potential.
If I were a guy, I probably would’ve been an incel for a while too. I was raised Catholic and went to a catholic school and remember that I was always focused on getting married and having kids, not much else
So basically for Clint to be redeemed, he just needs an arc - just like Shane who at some point realized that he cannot continue his life like this anymore. This needs a lot of work. He could start as this socially awkward angsty dude who blames entire world for his saddness, who at some point realizes that problem is in him and his atitide, and at the end of the day he doesn't need to be married, to be happy. I belive that such story for Clint could be very compeling and relatable.
Current state of Clint is so frustrating. Oddly, I don't mind his crush on Emily and that sometimes he acts awkward around her - my biggest issue is that he stops talking to her, when farmer starts dating her. I was treated like that, and it sucks. Just like my only value is that I can be someones girlfriend. Guys didn't wanted to be friends with me, when I rejected their romantic interest. I'm not obligated to romanticaly like someone back, but I still can like them as a person. Do they even liked me as a person? Do Clint even like Emily as friend?
I truly feel that Shane and Clint are two sides of the same coin, but only one of them got help. They're both drawn to Emily, Emily is drawn to them, spend a lot of their time in isolation, unhappy and miserable. It would be so nice if there was an event or something for Clint to change.
And yeah, he just drops Emily like that. So it makes me think that his loneliness is self-inflicted, truly.
@sodorart Good point! Overall, I don't mind characters that are not able to change - I really like that Pam has issues with putting down alcohol after you buy her a house. But this was framed in the way that she understood that her povety didn't caused her problem, but it is something within her and she needs to work on that. Clint doesn't have such closure, and he could benefit a lot from such. Maybe he could confess his feelings to Emily and be rejected by her, learning that she is not obligated to love him back?
EXACTLY!!! THEY JUST SEE WOMEN AS PARTNERS NOT FRIENDS THATS THE PROBLEM. They think women only should be in my life if I'm gonna date them and I think every girl has experienced this and it's annoying when you wanna build actual FRIENDSHIPS
Clint does need a story. Maybe I've just known too many guys like Clint for me to be neutral toward him. I've developed a Clint allergy over the years
Omg i want clint and willy to become bros SO bad. Clint is so awkward and like doesnt know how to act around people and i feel like willy would be such a breath of fresh air for him. Willy to me is a sweet, chill dude who understands the struggles of socializing and would be patient with Clint, but would actually ask him questions that would make him look deeper into himself. Why exactly he hates being a blacksmith yet still takes pride in his work, stuff like that. Clint could do with some introspection and honesty.
Always happy to see another Star drop corner come out. My favorite was the one on Elliott.
Anyone else think it'd be cool if the bachelors and bachelorettes got together by say, year 4 if you didn't give a bouquet by that time? I think it'd be a neat way to show the world moving forward.
I think characters like Clint are what happen when a group of people are systematically neglected. There's no excuse for his behavior, but there's a bit of evidence that Clint didn't have much choice in how his life went because of a father who just expected him to take up the family business regardless of Clint's feelings, in addition to his overall isolation from the rest of the community.
We don't see much more than that in game but there's some folks taking notice of the whole "male loneliness" topic and many of them have made good points better than I can ever could.
For me I was quite isolated when I was younger, I had very strong feelings about getting into a relationship, but I lacked the social tools to develop one, platonic or romantic. I recently discovered I am autistic which explains some of that difficulty with building relationships.
@@ham8426 the isolation the comes with a small town like Pelican Town is something that contributes to a lot of issues for sure. I also think the technology is a little behind, not everyone has a computer, so it's even more difficult to connect with others
I'm not sure access to the internet would help Clint much, both in that he'd likely fall into bad circles that would make his behaviour worse. Plus in our world where internet access is relatively ubiquitous it hasn't done much to make isolation better, and in many ways its gotten worse.
Honestly never understood the ‘Clint is an incel/nice guy’ thing. I’ve met incels and nice guys. Clint is NOT one of them. They are soooo much worse. Clint’s just an awkward guy.💀
Clint is just a dude that’s too shy, reclusive, and out of touch to actually talk to Emily. He sticks in his shop all year round and that affects his social skills.
I love this game, but the one gripe I have with it is the things regarding characters and changed events. For example:
1) Even if you’re married to Emily, the game still plays the heart event of him trying to talk to her at work. This shouldn’t play ‘cause Clint doesn’t pursue Emily after he thinks you’re dating, so why would he when he’d know you’re married?
2) Can still give Shane beer and it’ll be a loved gift post-6 heart event.
If anything the dialogue in 1.6 solidifies Clint as the person he is.
On the green rain day and the day after he keeps talking about wanting to be a hero basically. But it gives me the vibes of one of those people who wants the zombie apocalypse 🙄
Marlon also says “Clint’s blades get shaper every year, so do his prices”. He’s the only person I can think of who mentions Clint.
I don’t think he’s going to change and I honestly prefer it. A town full of perfect happy people is boring 😅
he strikes me as the ‘would take a figurative bullet but won’t help around the house’ type of guy
Wow, great description
For your last sentence: I think the reason ConcernedApe makes Emily always great and has no tangible flaws is to contrast with people close to her like Haley, Shane and Clint who are all messes at the beginning.
In a story with many personalities and characters like this, I think static characters like her, Willy, Evelyn etc. are needed.
Ohhhh I've been waiting for a Clint video! Great podcast!
I believe a significant reason why Clint is so disliked by players is tied to Emily being made a marriage candidate. This change framed Clint’s interest in Emily as “competition” for players, and additionally, the update introduced many petty lines to his dialogue. In the game’s Character Dispositions code, Clint and Emily are coded as each other’s only friends. In earlier versions of the game, the “mutual friend” designation applied to characters who were official love interests for one another. This suggests that their connection might originally have been intended to feel more organic rather than adversarial.
Clint’s 6-heart event is also widely misinterpreted. Contrary to popular belief, he’s not stalking or spying on Emily. He’s actually trying to work up the courage to ask her out on a date, but when he unexpectedly sees her approaching, he panics and hides in the bushes to retreat unnoticed. In this event, the player essentially acts as his wingman.
As for his awkward, self-deprecating dialogue and outwardly cringey behavior, it reflects how much he trusts and looks up to the player. He feels safe enough to open up, seeking advice and help from us. I find his willingness to be vulnerable and share his insecurities endearing. This openness reminds me of Harvey, who starts openly adressing his anxieties and inner struggles after marriage, whereas Clint admires the player and confides in us much earlier. For some reason, Clint’s readiness to be vulnerable makes it hard for me to dislike him.
I think ConcernedApe’s original intention with Clint was to portray an awkward guy who pines for Emily in a recurring, comedic way while Emily remains completely oblivious. However, after Emily became a marriage candidate, this dynamic fell apart, and Clint’s characterization went downhill.
good points on Clint and his anxieties and ineptness.
for me the thing that puts me off Clint is especially how he doesn't speak positively about people or interests like the others might do (Sebastian is a bit of a whiner as well but talks about Sam and his fun pranks and he likes fantasy novels, rpg, music, pool). Clint could have one hobby even if it's anime and he could say willy is a cool dude I admire him. with Emily it depends how old Emily is. I think you say she is in her thirties as well so whatever. I thought late 20s and Clint 40s.
in Germany lots of people drink beer in the cinema. some sell beer in bottles, wine in glasses 🍷 longdrinks, cocktails. don't see how that makes Clint a weirdo
It's moreso the fact that it's an unmarked flask he had hiding in his jacket and he lies and says it's Joja Cola. We also have alcohol served in the cinema here too. It's fine to drink, it's weird to lie about it
@sodorart ah that's true...
I just wanted to say how much I love this stardew valley channel, there aren’t many ones that promote love and understanding to characters, around people arguing about the marriage candidates they hate or characters that are ‘toxic’ for the mistakes they make, this approaches things from a much kinder, more analytical and helpful (even therapeutic) standpoint that reminds me exactly why I like stardew valley.
Just much more healing for the soul. Thanks! 👍🏻
Honestly, I don't think Clint is bad, I think he is socially very awkward - and even with lots of trying it might not get better speaking from experience - and he's kind of a bit too desperately 'in love'. Few of my own thoughts:
1. I do get hiccups from soda as well, so it's not necessarily that it is alcohol because he hiccupped. (also depends on how long someone is sipping. I've sipped soda quick and gotten hiccups before). But drinking from a flask does kind
2. From experience, even I get awkward around some people, even someone online I've been gaming with for a bunch of times. At work sometimes I do get awkward at times talking to colleagues. And yes, I do try, by not completely avoiding any contact. But I do still get awkward.
3. If someone has trauma from their past (we don't know from clint but let's assume so), it's not that odd for him to talk in a bad way about himself.
4. I think being in love without talking too much is hard. It's still possible being around someone well enough to know how they act and about their interests. For example, if I'm around someone who loves to write who has a lot of creativity and is really sweet - and I know that those are things I'm attracted too - over time it could get me to 'end up in love with them'. Could very well be just affection, but I don't think it's completely out of the ordinary to fall for someone you don't talk too much if ever but are around much and know how they are.
I was rambling a lot. But nice podcast as every one has been. I cannot wait for the next one.
Clint's an easy target. He takes two full days to upgrade your tool (now you can't mine or water crops or whatever) and prior to 1.6 he was even worse because while working on your tool he would also cease to crack geodes or sell you ore. Then you complete the community center -- beat the game, like you're supposed to -- and he effectively punishes you by now being closed on Fridays to spend time in that community center. Also he closes at 4, early enough to cause many an annoying near miss that sets the player's schedule back a day.
In terms of gameplay mechanics, Clint becomes inconvenient. He is often a bottleneck, to us. So the fandom is more amenable to accepting the most unflattering reads of his characterization, because they're already frustrated with him. And so "incel" has stuck to him like glue. Because who cares, it's just Clint, the asshole who takes too long to give us our pickaxe back. So the meme quickly takes on a life of it's own.
Basically an even more extreme version of Pierre with his "weird" choice of day off.
Idk I just find his crush on Emily kinda creepy
But I do feel like he needs like an arc of some sort? Like maybe become less insecure or something? He needs more attention as a character from concerned ape I think!
I’ve never invited Clint to the movies before…. Now I definetely never will 😂😂
I dont hate Clint.. I just forget him and when I do talk to him, he makes me feel uncomfortable hahah 😅
Please keep making more of these I love your takes we have a similar thought process and I love your videos! I hope to see longer content like this to listen to while I work on beating stardew 😂❤
Just throwing this out there. Stardew is based off harvest moon. We all know that.
What if Clint is cliff but took a wrong turn in life? Cliff was ready to leave town and had a bad relationship with his grandpa in more friends of mineral town (the girl farmer version). Until he marries and settles down.
I have a feeling this is the Cliff CA was seeing and how he would end up under his grandpa’s thumb.
19:47 To me the smile makes this very obviously a joke, like of course it's alcohol, but obviously that's not something you're supposed to bring to a theater, so he's claiming it's something ridiculous that it's obviously not (Joja cola comes in a can, of all the drinks this is the least likely to be carried in a flask).
33:00 I will say I see this pulled out of context a lot, and I think it's very unfair. He was gathering his courage to speak with Emily when she caught him by surprise. He hides out of discomfort and embarrassment, with the intention to leave as soon as possible. It may have been a poor spur of the moment decision to hide when since he uncomfortable or embarrassed, but I don't really think it's something worth examining so harshly. If he had done it with intention or made it a habit, that's one thing, but that's simply not the case here.
That said, I'm not going as far saying apologizing for it would be a bad thing, and considering Emily views him as a friend, I think she'd react fairly understanding.
I totally agree with your conclusion, Clint has a strangely unfinished character arc as it stands. He ends in the exact same place where he begins, arguably worse. Having him take responsibility and find happiness outside of romance would be a good start!
I can proudly say that you changed my opinion on Clint a little, he isn't really horrible, but he isn't great either for example spying on Emily and making us (the farmer) give her an amethyst and say it's from him which she doesn't really care about because she's happy that we gave it to her. I agree with you he can redeem himself, he's just not really trying, he can't move on (he still talks to us about Emily in a way that he's still interested in her even after we married her which really pisses me off and which explains why i've been hating him so much), he doesn't really talk to much people even though as you said they don't seem to hate him, the point is that any akwardness can be minimalized he's just not really trying. As always great video sodor 😎😎😎🤯
@@Just_a_N00b thank you for watching and commenting!! :D
Clint is such a frustrating character.. Actively believing he is no good, or unable to do things but will make no steps into actively changing his behaviors or try new things. We can see it in emilys 8 heart event with the fashion therapy. clint cant pull himself to go through with the style he chose. And I feel like alot of people can find that aspect about him relatable. Its hard to come out of your shell.
I feel like he doesnt look for ways to improve his life outside of dating,
And he looks for his own happiness exclusively through the idea of dating emily. like she is going to be the band-aid of his life. He has tons of free time and he chooses to use it watching her at the saloon when he can, and to me that is a bit creepy.
Nothing he does feels like its just because he genuinely enjoys it. Like when he wears his new shoes to the festival. its not because he just likes them and wants to look cool, its to impress his peers. like.. idk buying from a clothes brand you cant afford just to look cool to your peers. Hes so busy worrying about it that he doesnt even realize he wore them out at night at the darkest festival where no one can even see them. its like hes self sabotaging.
There is so much I dont like about clint on top of this, but he could be redeemable. If he were to be redeemable, he would have to really look deep inside himself to change, actively work on himself and stop going immediately into a self pity party.
*gulp* this is such a g-great video sodor *gulp* maybe if we like and subscribe w-we will keep getting cool and epic podcast videos-
@@Legendary_dragoon34 LMFAO the last paragraph
But seriously, yeah we agree. He's not some evil villain but good god. Desperate for an ounce of attention but ONLY from women he finds attractive. He thinks women will be his cure all and he's hugely mistaken. Hopefully he can realize that with some updated dialogues or cutscenes
I think generally like the people of Pelican Town a whole lot more than what's the general short? Am I too good at brushing over bad things?
I am single by choice btw not that I'm a self marriage kinda person, but in my experience societal expectations is something living rent-free in our heads. Perhaps because of the place I live but people are generally very ok and fine with the non-confirming choices that I make. I've lived here most of my life, I guess that helps, but it could also be because give a mental finger to those who want to judge?
you do call me weird, but I'll take that - you're not that off!
Love the video your a great free speaker.
Thank you for watching and commenting!!! :D
I would love to see Clint have more relationships with other townspeople. Not necessarily positive ones, just anything that shows he’s real person. i think my problem with his character is that he seems like a caricature. In real life, people with his attitudes develop them through social interaction. I think it would be interesting to see him have more of an interaction with Marlon and Gus - maybe his shop is closed once a week to visit them, or vice versa - or with Gunther who’s right next door and displays the gems and minerals from the geodes clint breaks.
None of those other characters have any characterization, and connecting them to Clint could characterize them as socially awkward workaholics in an interesting way? Maybe they’re also depressed loners, and Marlon’s crush on Marnie is similar to Clint’s crush on Emily
Or maybe all those guys, like Willie, are perfectly normal dudes, but the fact that he only has friendships with men highlights his sexism - he doesn’t view women as unique people with their own perspectives
I think a relationship between Clint and Demetrius could also be interesting. Demetrius is also very social awkward sometimes and gets engrossed in his work. He can be overly protective of his daughter and condescending to his wife, but he’s still loved by both of them. I think a situation in which Clint helps Demetrius by refining bars or materials for his research - or Maru’s engineering - would give him a little more depth and presence in the world
I agree wholeheartedly. It was really difficult to find any info about him that didnt include Emily except for that ONE line at the festival, on even years only. Despite all of the dialogues and cutscenes, he still feels like such a minor background character
Can you put the pod on Spotify? + thanks for making it
Wondering when that next upload is now i found your channel
I'm working on the next video, I just took some time off cuz of the holidays and getting ready to get married :)
*Let CorncedApe cook*
Like for real, there are a few loose ends that need tying, let him go on
Randomunrelated question, is the channel name a reference to the island of sodor or is it just a coincidence?
Nope, my username is an acronym for a book i wrote in high school like 15 years ago! I've been using it forever. I never even watched Thomas the Tank Engine when I was a kid, always thought he was creepy LOL