I met the designer and owner of Roxon at SHOT show in Vegas in January. He is a seriously awesome guy and designs all of their tools. Our booths were in the same isle so we all were in and out of their booth all week. I was truly amazing at the price points on their products. They all feel great and the replaceable blades in SO MANY profiles are awesome, but that comes on different tools. Just wanted to say seeing them pop up in my notifications from you was seriously awesome. I would support them as much as possible! Great guy! The language barrier was hard but he had a young lady with that helped with that and she was very knowledgeable too!
@@maxlvledc also, Jacob and I are going to be working together on some knives and will have a joint venture of edc, fillet, and sportsman based designs. I just designed an EDC fixed blade knife that we will be using AEB-L blade steel on and maybe having a 52100, blued version. I will also be making all the kydex pocket sheaths with ulti-clips!
Speaking only for myself: I always factor in the high probability that I'm going to lose the multitool. So, a 30 dollar multitool is a great option for me. Also, for that price you can afford to buy several in order to add one to a get home bag or survival kit.
Bought this tool just now specifically because of this video, so thanks! I have a couple of Signals, but I've been looking for a cheaper multitool with similar outdoor/camping utility to put in my daily carry that I can beat up on and not feel it in the wallet. The Flash fits those needs perfectly!
Between this and the Mossy Oak we’re seeing genuine quality as well as innovation at a fraction of Leatherman’s price. I really, really hope they’ve got something new and special cooking up and honestly I haven’t been impressed with Gerber or SOG for their price points. Also I absolutely love the tool release switch this brand is going with. It’s so much better than digging things out with your fingernails.
If I'm going into the woods the Leatherman that accompanies me is either the Blast or the juice cs4. The blast has a permanent home in my hunting kit, the juice is my go to when I'm back packing
This has the same tool set as the Roxon Spark, but way better design and quality. It is seriously amazing. That reamer is one of the best. I wish it had the exchangeable blades that the Phantom and Phantasy have. I also love how the did the whistle and ferro rod. Roxon is seriously pushing the envelope and I love it.
Please do more awesome budget tools, I just got my bibury in the mail, and wow blown away, I almost was depressed cause I couldn’t see spending all that money on a leather man, but for the price of leatherman I can have 2 or 3 multi tools. I’m hooked.
Another great video as always. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with that for only thirty bucks, pocket clip, nice sheath, replaceable cutters included (say whaaaat lol). That ferro-whistle is badass imo, and like you said if I could buy it separately I'd definitely add it to a bunch of small kits. I just might have to add it to the shopping list, maybe even two of them, one as a gift to someone.
Nice I'd definitely get one or a dozen. 5Cr though is markedly inferior to 420HC. But that price difference is ridiculous and puts the Signal out of contention for most of the world.
It’s not even that far off. From my experience 8cr is already a tad bit better than 420hc, 9 and 10cr are already WAY better in both edge retention and toughness while having the same sharpenability. I’d say that 5cr is way closer to 420hc than what people think when you use them both. I do agree, however, that I’d like them to use some better steel, but already 9 and 10cr are huge improvements. I see so many Chinese companies doing good treatment on s35vn for under 60$, I don’t see why they couldn’t implement it. That would just put a nail on Leatherman coffin.
This Roxon Flash is such a compact and well thought-off tool. Scissor. They need to think of something and add some scissors to this thing as well. I understand that would make a dent in their Phantom sales maybe, but this is so close to ideal as it is.. your suggestions are spot-on. They need to add a layer and insert a basic scissors. Great useful large scissors, if you need them, then you can go the 802 route but they are such a useful item in your pocket that even a relatively basic one will be a great help.
Hot damn, at 30 dollars, buy two and if one breaks or you lose it, you're not sweating it, spend the rest on actual full versions of each tool and keep the roxon as your spare, it's just catagorically better in my opinion
Thanks for another great video. I've been looking at a few videos on multitools this weekend. I started out carrying a Gerber multitool . I've had it for over twenty years and its still going. The pliers have lots of play and are out of line now. I mostly carry a Swiss Champion for work. Now I'm thinking about getting a new multitool. The knockoff's are really getting close at a better price. I still like the lifetime warranty that Gerber offers. I will keep this tool a long time.
Nice review. I like your suggestions for improvements, specifically the scissors, one of the most-used tools. I have a Signal, and find it a little chonky in the pocket, so this one not having cutouts doesn't help. Still, I will put this one on my short list.
I have roxon KS01 the "half " version of roxon phantom. The material are way too soft for a multitool. Thats make it easier to sharpen yet dont hold edge for long
Roxon & Nextool are by design created for the blue collar folks. It's functionality is quite logical thus the metalurgical standards. If they use high end metal, the prices will hit the sky & usually skeletonising will effects its durability. There will always be trade-offs but it's not bad for a tool box that fits in the hand. Great show maestro so when will the mod movie going to get produce? Cheers cobber from Australia.
I just bought my 8 yr old nephew a little "swiss army knife" victorinox had one next to it for $45 the one I got seemed of better quality and was only $12 It had a knife a file screwdriver scissors tweezers toothpick little key ring/lanyard loop.
After being gifted a Leatherman free K4, I'm no longer interested in any multi-tool that doesn't have some sort of one-handed system. I'm definitely gonna be shopping for a roxon as like a good glove box tool.
Hi, it's funny you mentioned Leatherman's pliers problem. Just yesterday I've had to use my Curl and Spirit X pliers for a small task. I didn't put much tork twisting, but had to grip quite hard. And my Curl got so stiff and difficult to open. I have it for three monts, and it got so smooth, and now stiff again. I've had similar issue with my Free P2 that I've sold. No problem with Victorinox though. I still like and will use my Curl. I'm truck driver and it's everything I need. But Leatherman definitely need to take some action, and they do I guess with discontinuing staff 😂 Cheers 👍
I love Leatherman, they're my favorite multitool manufacturer. The only company that can compete with a great reputation and longevity is Victorinox. I recently purchased the Curl and like the fact, it has no serrated blade and wood saw. I think the Wave, Curl and Bond are wonderful EDC carries. For my outdoor tasks and chores the Surge and SuperTool 300 are great. There's pros and cons to all multitools
@Richard Sullivan I absolutely agree with you. We are all different and like different stuff, we use them for different applications, and you'll get what suits your needs. I think another factor is the location. Maybe in US make sense to get something that's manufactured there. I'm in UK, and so far didn't have any issues with Leatherman's warranty. But so far I didn't have to use Victorinox warranty for a plier based tool though. I've used it for the SAKs, they refurbished my Handyman for free, for my Forester I've had to pay £10(13$) but I've modified it so much, I didn't expect of that to make it like new again. Take care 👍
This is the never-ending cycle of the marketplace...people are looking for a better bang for their buck, as the prices of the big boys are going into deep space...if QC was more consistent, I am sure these offerings would get more market share...there will be folks that will continue to pay top dollar, but others want to see what else is available, as a consequence, videos like these are important, as they show the competition is growing...LTG's thinking is short sighted, for example, as they seem to think they have none...Good job!
Everyone says victorinox can openers are made to open forward. But I swear I can do it backwards. Tired it both ways. N I can open it up backwards in seconds. Vs going forwards is initially faster. But I keep over gapping or missing. Going backwards to me is faster. By a lot
@@maxlvledc I bought a rebar! Been liking it somewhat except the usual issues with Leatherman screwdriver use and the Wirecutter inserts weren't good straight out of the box
Some nice features....As someone who uses the can opener feature a lot for work/ lunch....I noticed it has a SAK style opener. I have found this style wouldn't open certain tuna cans...wouldn't catch the lip.....but the Leatherman Wave/Rebar style opener has no problems...being more pointy, and easier to start... And...always nice to have the old faithful Military P-38 can opener as a backup...
Hi, Thanks for a very informative video. I was going tu buy the Roxon M2, just because of it size and assumed usability. You mention that it does not hold up to a Power... something. I just can't hear or quite understand the brand and name of that multitool. It would be nice to know which one you are talking about. Thanks!
if just the blade steel was 12c27 or 14c28n i think it would be a great move. And 14c28n is a tough steel and is appropriate for this knifes application.
Why in the world have you not yet done a comparison of Nextool Flagship Pro vs Roxon Phantom S802? It seems so obvious as a vid idea for your audience (me😉)-
Love the idea of the whistle. I always carry a multi tool on my motorcycle and i try to carry a whistle incase i crash and dont have servixe or cant get to my phone.. Is it loud?
My whistle is loose. It doesn't stay in like yours. Basic handling pops it out. Hasn't fallen out yet. Otherwise great value. Every tool is useful instead of a ton that I'll never use.
The surge for bushcraft? Its an amazing tool, but shares some of the same issues as the signal. Unfortunately it also has even worse ergonomics. I definitely need to make a video about this. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Surge, only that I worry especially about losing components AND the short saw.
Got my boys Phantoms for graduation. I've heard nothing but great things about them when I've asked. The sheath, on the other hand doesn't stand up well to long term use. The Velcro wears out easily and the belt strap stitching comes undone after a while. Been keeping an eye out for an after-market replacement sheath. Any suggestions?
So far chinese brands are actually doing original and impressive engineering. I mean they include a lot of shears as secondary main tools which is something you pretty much don't find in other brands. I mean often you have one or the other. I think some multitool designs should be about a couple of big tools and a few mini tools. It will end up to be a sort of 6 - 12 in 1 but the tools will be better because they are mostly big. And yeah with better steels, other companies have to do innovative combinations and modularity, mostly there is a lot of room to create multitools with ratchet drivers and innovative ways to incorporate them. There is scissor pliers wich I think doesn't exist in a multitool I think, ajustable water pipe wrenches, and plier wrenches. I think other ideas like screw pliers, circlips pliers... I mean there is many things to combine and specializations to make. Like multitools for electrician, mechanic, plumber, Hvac, gardener, electronics repair, wood working, because it's still the case of multitools being a lot oriented towards camping and outdoors activities. I'm not blaming the existence of those, however, I do think covering more the rest is something to think up, because I think multitools can be either an emergency tool, a tool to be resorted without getting a full tool set or simply getting a lighter tool box / pouch.
Another excellent video, with very practical considerations. I will say that the Powerpint does everything I need a MT to do EXCEPT scissor. Need a mod that puts a V Nox scissors into it and then it will be my "perfect" EDC. YMMV.
I had the phantom and gifted the materials are way to soft . Whats the point of a big sized multiplier if can only handle what a micro tool does. Design wise they are there but materials just suck
I wish they'd put hacksaws on their tools rather than a wood saw. The only one I know is the old mp400 copy with big scissors paul chen professional I think it's called
Hey, the super tool 300 is my fav tool, both because my father handed me his and because it’s genuinely a good solid tool when I compared it to the surge I bought and I sent back after 20 days of using both while doing construction (I loved only the scissors more). Would you make a video where you explain why the st300 would be your outdoorsman tool? It’d be interesting I think to hear such opinion, or if you want to add it here if you don’t find it interesting for a video. I never used it outdoor but I was looking at what to bring while camping because the victorinox farmer fell short last time, despite me loving it. Thank you a lot Dom! Have a good start of the week
I should..here is the short list 1. Largest implements 2. Good Ergonomics 3. Can open tools with gloves on 4. No loose parts to lose... 5. Good function to weight ratio.
I hate to ask this, but do you have any idea how to know with these Chinese- made tools that they are not using some of the slave labor that has been found over there? The price is too low. Of course that also could be a marketing tactic so that people try their product, like a loss leader or a "sample".
Sadly, impossible to tell. It's always better to stick with name brands like roxon and nextool because they have more to lose. If your not sure, best to stick with vic and Leatherman.
@@maxlvledc most clone knives and low end "bells and whistles" knives are produced in sheds of yangjiang. Its their way to support the family. This place is the traditional place of chinese practicle knife production where it had a long traditional of producing knives of various uses. Sadly as the "control" over knives increase(understandable as it is pretty much the same in uk and too many people don't understand to not use a knife as a weapon), local people who relied on selling knives fail to have a profit(any knife with acute tip/ lock/ blade length of over 8cm can't be carried in public areas). Many people say that this much conterfeit presence is due to the absence of proper law. However, the real issue is that few good original designs are made so those who rely on making knives can only ask the online sellers what to make. Most of these sellers can only think of selling clone knives(can't blame them, but it is their fault) or stuff that they know "would at least get some sales". Regarding the law aspect, this is pretty tough as these clones can't be easily traced and that some people really isn't aware of a knife coping another as they don't know the real one exists. However, I am very hopeful as things are starting to turn. There is still the problem of selfish sellers trying to infuse impractical ideas regarding knife designs in order to trick gullible fledgling into buying a certain type of impractical product(e.g:convex 5mm thick "survival" knife that is no different to a brick; batoning a nail and showing unharmed blade but the reason for that is the blade is so convex that it is useless; bragging the importance of supersteel and how all budget steels are worthless while charging 30% more for a mora)
damn for 140 for the signal thats wild to me when the charge++ ti is 189, like damn why wouldnt i get that if its already 140 for the signal but you get a ti frame and an s30v blade. i know the video is about the roxon phantom but still
Is there a budget multi-tool anyone could recommend that has pliers, good quality scissors, and some form of a screwdriver with changeable bits? This one would be a good choice just the lack of scissors :(
Leatherman seems to do a much better job with grinds on the free series, The original and replacement blade (stoopid me used it to pry) Both were razor sharp and have a pretty dang consistent grind. My charge TTI (now sold) and surge have an absolutely butchered knife blade grind.
Hey I'll take that extra 60 bucks of you're just gonna throw it away. Lol I've owned both name brand and quality modern knock offs... I've had less issues with this. Granted, there's always variables.. that's just life.. idk what you do for a living, how you use your tools.. However, while it is cool that Leatherman has a lifetime warranty.. what good does that do if you have to keep replacing it instead of it just getting the job done? His main point and the main point of modern budget MTs is that a tool that costs 30 bucks is 9/10 compared to the "10/10" (not always the case) that is Leatherman, or Gerber, or whatever. The difference in price is not always worth that 1 point anymore.
@@maxlvledc yeah when I look it up they say it’s common kitchen knife blade metal. I wonder what the Moro lie blades are made of they seem to stay sharp and take abuse
I won't buy top price multitools. Tools are meant to be used and abused, dropped, left outside and used in ways they aren't supposed to be. If I do that with a $30 tool, meh, whatever. I'll grab another one. A $200 multitool won't ever get used because I don't want to break it, lose it or damage it. That's why my $20 Bibury is an EDC. Great idea for them to skeletonize it, but there is a big downside. That means either new punches and with that many extra openings the chance at failure is higher raising the cost to offset. Or, if it is CNC'd that means more time on the mill and the bit get used that much longer lowering the life, hence raising the individual cost. I'm not that concerned with losing 3 or 4 grams, especially if it raises the cost by $10-20.
I believe Leatherman tools are better, at this point. What’s slowly killing LM is their cost. And I do not mean the component cost. It’s labor cost. A Signal costing $140 is ridiculous. I bought mine 6 years ago @ $75.
That Multi tool looks like a very good option for a pocket multi with pocket clip that doesn't cost nearly $150. I might have to pick one up and give it some pocket time without using the sheath. Multi tools that cost under $50 are great for just trying out as a good pocket Leatherman pliers style multi tools that you can actually just try out without killing your wallet by costing over $100 easy these make a great option for that. Then if you have tried out the budget multi tool and find out that you don't enjoy or it doesn't fit as a good option for what you wanted it for you can throw the tool in your car for some extra tools or maybe a tackle box and you haven't lost $120-$150. For that reason I think that I am going to pick one up and try it out if I don't like it I can put it in my emergency tool kit that I keep in my car and I won't be angry for spending $150 and it not work out. So thanks for the review, examination and additional information on this budget minded tool.
Scissors are OK for the Swiss Army knife or a mini pocket multi tool plier but I'll take the saw blade over scissors every time. The whistle & ferro rod, eh. I'd rather have more tools, screwdrivers maybe, 1/4 inch bit holder probably. Thanks for all the multi tool videos. I've watched many trying to figure out what folding plier multi tool I want for my go bag, something lighter than my Leatherman Super Tool 200. It must have a saw. A decent file would be good too.
@@maxlvledc the Sidekick certainly fits my criteria & even the Juice XE6 would work for me except I don't like the corkscrew. A corkscrew is good for a Swiss Army knife, not a Leatherman IMO. I'm looking for a budget friendly tool around $30-$40 though I may just cough up the dough & buy a Sidekick.
That said, my super tool weighs in at 9.4 ounces. The Sidekick weighs 7. My main criteria is to reduce the weight with a somewhat comperable tool. I'm not sure if 2.4 ounces is enough weight reduction. This is quite a thought process. Choose Wisely !!
@@maxlvledc They've got a chart of differences between the new models on their A-Xpress store (The Roxon Store not the Roxon Tool store):The S803 and the S803E (The E stands for Elite apparently). Same thing with their KS2 and KS2E on the Tool store. Not to mention the Scissor and knife tool (S501 now S501U) now having the blade exchanger and both it and the Phantasy having G10 scale thingies.
When multi-tool pliers catch up to the engineering expertise of Knipex, I will consider buying one. Till then these knuckle buster and palm pinchers are hot garbage and dead weight. I'd rather carry a turd in my pocket, because at least I could use that to fertilize some plants.
That's never going to happen. Knipex is in a whole other stratosphere. What I'm more interested in is a high quality multitool under 5oz with milled jaws. And high quality materials.
I wouldn’t say “ridiculous”. Paying the bills & workers costs way more here. They wouldn’t make any money otherwise & cease to exist. To me, if it’s built well, I don’t care where it’s made.
I met the designer and owner of Roxon at SHOT show in Vegas in January. He is a seriously awesome guy and designs all of their tools. Our booths were in the same isle so we all were in and out of their booth all week. I was truly amazing at the price points on their products. They all feel great and the replaceable blades in SO MANY profiles are awesome, but that comes on different tools. Just wanted to say seeing them pop up in my notifications from you was seriously awesome. I would support them as much as possible! Great guy! The language barrier was hard but he had a young lady with that helped with that and she was very knowledgeable too!
That's awesome! Wonder if he will be at blade show atlanta
@@maxlvledc also, Jacob and I are going to be working together on some knives and will have a joint venture of edc, fillet, and sportsman based designs. I just designed an EDC fixed blade knife that we will be using AEB-L blade steel on and maybe having a 52100, blued version. I will also be making all the kydex pocket sheaths with ulti-clips!
@@tylorlenz8121 Sounds awesome mate. Will be following the progress for sure. Australia will be very interested. Cheers mate.
Speaking only for myself: I always factor in the high probability that I'm going to lose the multitool. So, a 30 dollar multitool is a great option for me. Also, for that price you can afford to buy several in order to add one to a get home bag or survival kit.
I'd recommend one Flash and one Phantom then. More Versatility
Youre NOT losing a multitool that costs 300-400$
Yup. In my case, some Goodman w bad intention stole my skeletool. So I consider this option too🙏💪👍🤠
I factor in the possibility that an inferior tool could get me dead.
I left my phone many times before! Some people are just notorious at losing things i guess lol@@brainiac006
Once Roxon moves to 8cr, 9cr or 10cr steel then it's game over for Leatherman and Gerber and SOG.
Bought this tool just now specifically because of this video, so thanks! I have a couple of Signals, but I've been looking for a cheaper multitool with similar outdoor/camping utility to put in my daily carry that I can beat up on and not feel it in the wallet. The Flash fits those needs perfectly!
Between this and the Mossy Oak we’re seeing genuine quality as well as innovation at a fraction of Leatherman’s price. I really, really hope they’ve got something new and special cooking up and honestly I haven’t been impressed with Gerber or SOG for their price points.
Also I absolutely love the tool release switch this brand is going with. It’s so much better than digging things out with your fingernails.
I bought the bibury. BIBURY Multitool Pliers, Upgraded 22-in-1. Use it for camping. 30$ something tool. Very happy with it.
If I'm going into the woods the Leatherman that accompanies me is either the Blast or the juice cs4. The blast has a permanent home in my hunting kit, the juice is my go to when I'm back packing
This has the same tool set as the Roxon Spark, but way better design and quality. It is seriously amazing. That reamer is one of the best. I wish it had the exchangeable blades that the Phantom and Phantasy have. I also love how the did the whistle and ferro rod. Roxon is seriously pushing the envelope and I love it.
it would make the tool much thicker..I actually like it mostly as is.
30 bucks for a full set multi tool? Thats awesome! i just bought a Leatherman Surge's serrated knife about usd 35. Im just saying 😁
Please do more awesome budget tools, I just got my bibury in the mail, and wow blown away, I almost was depressed cause I couldn’t see spending all that money on a leather man, but for the price of leatherman I can have 2 or 3 multi tools. I’m hooked.
I did have the Phantom, and the vertical strap on the sheath broke on me. It doesn't have the sturdiest stitching, so watch out for that.
Good to know!
Oh, on their company website, they do sell the whistle and flint on it's own for a lil more than 10 dollars
November 2024 and the price has gone down to 8$, imagine actually lowering prices.
Agreed! They are also very stylish. The locking system is awesome.
I have the phantom with the changeable blades and I love it
Another great video as always. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with that for only thirty bucks, pocket clip, nice sheath, replaceable cutters included (say whaaaat lol). That ferro-whistle is badass imo, and like you said if I could buy it separately I'd definitely add it to a bunch of small kits. I just might have to add it to the shopping list, maybe even two of them, one as a gift to someone.
Nice I'd definitely get one or a dozen. 5Cr though is markedly inferior to 420HC. But that price difference is ridiculous and puts the Signal out of contention for most of the world.
It’s not even that far off. From my experience 8cr is already a tad bit better than 420hc, 9 and 10cr are already WAY better in both edge retention and toughness while having the same sharpenability.
I’d say that 5cr is way closer to 420hc than what people think when you use them both. I do agree, however, that I’d like them to use some better steel, but already 9 and 10cr are huge improvements. I see so many Chinese companies doing good treatment on s35vn for under 60$, I don’t see why they couldn’t implement it. That would just put a nail on Leatherman coffin.
This Roxon Flash is such a compact and well thought-off tool. Scissor. They need to think of something and add some scissors to this thing as well. I understand that would make a dent in their Phantom sales maybe, but this is so close to ideal as it is.. your suggestions are spot-on. They need to add a layer and insert a basic scissors. Great useful large scissors, if you need them, then you can go the 802 route but they are such a useful item in your pocket that even a relatively basic one will be a great help.
Hot damn, at 30 dollars, buy two and if one breaks or you lose it, you're not sweating it, spend the rest on actual full versions of each tool and keep the roxon as your spare, it's just catagorically better in my opinion
Thanks for another great video. I've been looking at a few videos on multitools this weekend. I started out carrying a Gerber multitool . I've had it for over twenty years and its still going. The pliers have lots of play and are out of line now. I mostly carry a Swiss Champion for work. Now I'm thinking about getting a new multitool. The knockoff's are really getting close at a better price. I still like the lifetime warranty that Gerber offers. I will keep this tool a long time.
Nice review. I like your suggestions for improvements, specifically the scissors, one of the most-used tools. I have a Signal, and find it a little chonky in the pocket, so this one not having cutouts doesn't help. Still, I will put this one on my short list.
They should include a section of sapphire nail file in the sheath for fixing & maintaining the blade's edge.
Yep
I'm loving roxon and nextool atm. They're making cool mt
I have roxon KS01 the "half " version of roxon phantom. The material are way too soft for a multitool. Thats make it easier to sharpen yet dont hold edge for long
Roxon & Nextool are by design created for the blue collar folks. It's functionality is quite logical thus the metalurgical standards. If they use high end metal, the prices will hit the sky & usually skeletonising will effects its durability. There will always be trade-offs but it's not bad for a tool box that fits in the hand. Great show maestro so when will the mod movie going to get produce? Cheers cobber from Australia.
WOW, haven't seen the word "Cobber" for a while 👍
@@edwardfletcher7790 Fair Dinkum.? No worries mate.
Skeletonizing also makes it easy to gunk up with mud, dust, grime, etc.
@@AbeDillon That's why God invented lanyards. .
I just bought my 8 yr old nephew a little "swiss army knife" victorinox had one next to it for $45 the one I got seemed of better quality and was only $12
It had a knife a file screwdriver scissors tweezers toothpick little key ring/lanyard loop.
After being gifted a Leatherman free K4, I'm no longer interested in any multi-tool that doesn't have some sort of one-handed system. I'm definitely gonna be shopping for a roxon as like a good glove box tool.
the amazon ad claims that you press the black piece of plastic to push out the whistle, idk if you've tried that already
Hi, it's funny you mentioned Leatherman's pliers problem. Just yesterday I've had to use my Curl and Spirit X pliers for a small task. I didn't put much tork twisting, but had to grip quite hard. And my Curl got so stiff and difficult to open. I have it for three monts, and it got so smooth, and now stiff again. I've had similar issue with my Free P2 that I've sold. No problem with Victorinox though. I still like and will use my Curl. I'm truck driver and it's everything I need. But Leatherman definitely need to take some action, and they do I guess with discontinuing staff 😂 Cheers 👍
I love Leatherman, they're my favorite multitool manufacturer. The only company that can compete with a great reputation and longevity is Victorinox. I recently purchased the Curl and like the fact, it has no serrated blade and wood saw. I think the Wave, Curl and Bond are wonderful EDC carries. For my outdoor tasks and chores the Surge and SuperTool 300 are great. There's pros and cons to all multitools
@Richard Sullivan I absolutely agree with you. We are all different and like different stuff, we use them for different applications, and you'll get what suits your needs. I think another factor is the location. Maybe in US make sense to get something that's manufactured there. I'm in UK, and so far didn't have any issues with Leatherman's warranty. But so far I didn't have to use Victorinox warranty for a plier based tool though. I've used it for the SAKs, they refurbished my Handyman for free, for my Forester I've had to pay £10(13$) but I've modified it so much, I didn't expect of that to make it like new again. Take care 👍
Would love to hear your thoughts on the storm. Especially if the phantom blades can be made to fit in it.
This is the never-ending cycle of the marketplace...people are looking for a better bang for their buck, as the prices of the big boys are going into deep space...if QC was more consistent, I am sure these offerings would get more market share...there will be folks that will continue to pay top dollar, but others want to see what else is available, as a consequence, videos like these are important, as they show the competition is growing...LTG's thinking is short sighted, for example, as they seem to think they have none...Good job!
Everyone says victorinox can openers are made to open forward. But I swear I can do it backwards. Tired it both ways. N I can open it up backwards in seconds. Vs going forwards is initially faster. But I keep over gapping or missing. Going backwards to me is faster. By a lot
For me I mostly need a multi tool for the screwdriver, pliers, and saw. I always have a pocket knife regardless of what multi tool I have.
Knifeless rebar ftw
@@maxlvledc I bought a rebar! Been liking it somewhat except the usual issues with Leatherman screwdriver use and the Wirecutter inserts weren't good straight out of the box
Nice video! 🙂 Are the Roxon tools riveted together or are those screws? I like the fact that the Roxon has a belt clip too 😎
Some nice features....As someone who uses the can opener feature a lot for work/ lunch....I noticed it has a SAK style opener. I have found this style wouldn't open certain tuna cans...wouldn't catch the lip.....but the Leatherman Wave/Rebar style opener has no problems...being more pointy, and easier to start... And...always nice to have the old faithful Military P-38 can opener as a backup...
Hi, Thanks for a very informative video. I was going tu buy the Roxon M2, just because of it size and assumed usability. You mention that it does not hold up to a Power... something. I just can't hear or quite understand the brand and name of that multitool. It would be nice to know which one you are talking about. Thanks!
I just purchased the Phantom.. now I want the Flash too.
Do you have recommendation for the best multitool with hammer edge/side like signal?
if just the blade steel was 12c27 or 14c28n i think it would be a great move. And 14c28n is a tough steel and is appropriate for this knifes application.
Still not horrible, but the price has gone up a bit since the video was released. Roxon does now sell replacement whistle and ferro rods.
Why in the world have you not yet done a comparison of Nextool Flagship Pro vs Roxon Phantom S802? It seems so obvious as a vid idea for your audience (me😉)-
Love the idea of the whistle. I always carry a multi tool on my motorcycle and i try to carry a whistle incase i crash and dont have servixe or cant get to my phone.. Is it loud?
very, but I think its not that easy to get out unless your nails are tough.
My whistle is loose. It doesn't stay in like yours. Basic handling pops it out. Hasn't fallen out yet. Otherwise great value. Every tool is useful instead of a ton that I'll never use.
Didn’t know if you know this but you can take a Leatherman wave blade and put it into the signal with no modification
Yep, but does need some spacers
followed your links and the prices showing are $49 and $43 for the Phantom and flash elite respectively. for $ 30 i would get it.
They do sell the whistle. It's $8 at their website.
Looks like it's sold out on Amazon couple of weeks after this video?
Priced too low maybe?
Or produced in low quantity?
Totally agree about the Signal not being a good Bushcraft tool.
For me the Surge and an after market long saw blade is the winner 👍
The surge for bushcraft? Its an amazing tool, but shares some of the same issues as the signal. Unfortunately it also has even worse ergonomics. I definitely need to make a video about this. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Surge, only that I worry especially about losing components AND the short saw.
You can buy a spare 2 sets of cutters and Ferro rod with whistle. It just comes with a free multi tool!
Really? Link?
@@maxlvledc did you read my comment correctly?
@@robbowman5857 clearly not lol
Got my boys Phantoms for graduation. I've heard nothing but great things about them when I've asked. The sheath, on the other hand doesn't stand up well to long term use. The Velcro wears out easily and the belt strap stitching comes undone after a while. Been keeping an eye out for an after-market replacement sheath. Any suggestions?
Will you do a video in the new hx outdoors camping multitool it's simla to the Bibury one but it's all made from 7cr13 steel
Link?
So far chinese brands are actually doing original and impressive engineering.
I mean they include a lot of shears as secondary main tools which is something you pretty much don't find in other brands. I mean often you have one or the other.
I think some multitool designs should be about a couple of big tools and a few mini tools. It will end up to be a sort of 6 - 12 in 1 but the tools will be better because they are mostly big.
And yeah with better steels, other companies have to do innovative combinations and modularity, mostly there is a lot of room to create multitools with ratchet drivers and innovative ways to incorporate them. There is scissor pliers wich I think doesn't exist in a multitool I think, ajustable water pipe wrenches, and plier wrenches. I think other ideas like screw pliers, circlips pliers... I mean there is many things to combine and specializations to make.
Like multitools for electrician, mechanic, plumber, Hvac, gardener, electronics repair, wood working, because it's still the case of multitools being a lot oriented towards camping and outdoors activities. I'm not blaming the existence of those, however, I do think covering more the rest is something to think up, because I think multitools can be either an emergency tool, a tool to be resorted without getting a full tool set or simply getting a lighter tool box / pouch.
I like the way it looks. Maybe come out with a separate skeletonized version.
Another excellent video, with very practical considerations. I will say that the Powerpint does everything I need a MT to do EXCEPT scissor. Need a mod that puts a V Nox scissors into it and then it will be my "perfect" EDC. YMMV.
I had the phantom and gifted the materials are way to soft . Whats the point of a big sized multiplier if can only handle what a micro tool does. Design wise they are there but materials just suck
i wonder if the flash is the same
tip: with deeper saw teeth you can just go halfway to start the cut, you don't have to cut as deep as the blades go.
hmm, thats a good point.
starts at 3:10
I wish they'd put hacksaws on their tools rather than a wood saw. The only one I know is the old mp400 copy with big scissors paul chen professional I think it's called
Doesn't this also support the alternate blades as well?
Not this one..that would have been sweet though
Two thumb for roxon 😅🎉
Great review - a good product - I am looking for a model that provides a hook like the SAK Climber etc - thanks
Hey, the super tool 300 is my fav tool, both because my father handed me his and because it’s genuinely a good solid tool when I compared it to the surge I bought and I sent back after 20 days of using both while doing construction (I loved only the scissors more).
Would you make a video where you explain why the st300 would be your outdoorsman tool? It’d be interesting I think to hear such opinion, or if you want to add it here if you don’t find it interesting for a video.
I never used it outdoor but I was looking at what to bring while camping because the victorinox farmer fell short last time, despite me loving it.
Thank you a lot Dom! Have a good start of the week
I should..here is the short list
1. Largest implements
2. Good Ergonomics
3. Can open tools with gloves on
4. No loose parts to lose...
5. Good function to weight ratio.
@@maxlvledc thank you a lot! I will for sure give it a try
It's 50 bucks now. But since you can change out the blades with different types. I think it is still a good deal.
i bought latest with D2 blade good job
Do you plan on doing a review of the Tactiman multi tool ?
I hate to ask this, but do you have any idea how to know with these Chinese- made tools that they are not using some of the slave labor that has been found over there? The price is too low.
Of course that also could be a marketing tactic so that people try their product, like a loss leader or a "sample".
Sadly, impossible to tell. It's always better to stick with name brands like roxon and nextool because they have more to lose. If your not sure, best to stick with vic and Leatherman.
@@maxlvledc most clone knives and low end "bells and whistles" knives are produced in sheds of yangjiang. Its their way to support the family. This place is the traditional place of chinese practicle knife production where it had a long traditional of producing knives of various uses. Sadly as the "control" over knives increase(understandable as it is pretty much the same in uk and too many people don't understand to not use a knife as a weapon), local people who relied on selling knives fail to have a profit(any knife with acute tip/ lock/ blade length of over 8cm can't be carried in public areas). Many people say that this much conterfeit presence is due to the absence of proper law. However, the real issue is that few good original designs are made so those who rely on making knives can only ask the online sellers what to make. Most of these sellers can only think of selling clone knives(can't blame them, but it is their fault) or stuff that they know "would at least get some sales". Regarding the law aspect, this is pretty tough as these clones can't be easily traced and that some people really isn't aware of a knife coping another as they don't know the real one exists. However, I am very hopeful as things are starting to turn. There is still the problem of selfish sellers trying to infuse impractical ideas regarding knife designs in order to trick gullible fledgling into buying a certain type of impractical product(e.g:convex 5mm thick "survival" knife that is no different to a brick; batoning a nail and showing unharmed blade but the reason for that is the blade is so convex that it is useless; bragging the importance of supersteel and how all budget steels are worthless while charging 30% more for a mora)
@@maxlvledc Thanks. I've avoided so many purchases because of this, but even Americsn made items often get parts from other places
@@thevineclimber Thank you for asking this, it's a really important question..really wish we could find out the ethicality of these companies easier
Love it, 1 question. Has anyone tried the Gerber or a Roxon bit adapter set on the phillips screwdriver?
Hmmm, don't think it will work
damn for 140 for the signal thats wild to me when the charge++ ti is 189, like damn why wouldnt i get that if its already 140 for the signal but you get a ti frame and an s30v blade. i know the video is about the roxon phantom but still
Is there a budget multi-tool anyone could recommend that has pliers, good quality scissors, and some form of a screwdriver with changeable bits? This one would be a good choice just the lack of scissors :(
Ozark trail Multiforce/ Swisstech variant of it on Ali Express are you best options imo.
Great review and I've ordered the Flash.
Leatherman seems to do a much better job with grinds on the free series, The original and replacement blade (stoopid me used it to pry) Both were razor sharp and have a pretty dang consistent grind. My charge TTI (now sold) and surge have an absolutely butchered knife blade grind.
Could you checkout the Roxon M3? And could you compare it against the M2 and other scissors please? Thank you!
How it works after 7 months?
It's the end of Leatherman.
I see the under $50 MT category as ones that you toss in the car, camper, boat, etc... For EDC I'm going to stick with my Leatherman tools.
Hey I'll take that extra 60 bucks of you're just gonna throw it away. Lol I've owned both name brand and quality modern knock offs... I've had less issues with this. Granted, there's always variables.. that's just life.. idk what you do for a living, how you use your tools.. However, while it is cool that Leatherman has a lifetime warranty.. what good does that do if you have to keep replacing it instead of it just getting the job done? His main point and the main point of modern budget MTs is that a tool that costs 30 bucks is 9/10 compared to the "10/10" (not always the case) that is Leatherman, or Gerber, or whatever. The difference in price is not always worth that 1 point anymore.
I hear a collab tool coming between you and Roxon 😉
Nah, I'm not sold..only company atm I'd consider a true collab with is Victorinox..only one I trust to do it correctly.
What metal are the blades made of in the roxon
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@@maxlvledc yeah when I look it up they say it’s common kitchen knife blade metal. I wonder what the Moro lie blades are made of they seem to stay sharp and take abuse
Perwin 22in 1 pretty good
I won't buy top price multitools. Tools are meant to be used and abused, dropped, left outside and used in ways they aren't supposed to be. If I do that with a $30 tool, meh, whatever. I'll grab another one. A $200 multitool won't ever get used because I don't want to break it, lose it or damage it. That's why my $20 Bibury is an EDC.
Great idea for them to skeletonize it, but there is a big downside. That means either new punches and with that many extra openings the chance at failure is higher raising the cost to offset. Or, if it is CNC'd that means more time on the mill and the bit get used that much longer lowering the life, hence raising the individual cost. I'm not that concerned with losing 3 or 4 grams, especially if it raises the cost by $10-20.
Hmm. True true
😅 I wish you could have a choice of blade options or aftermarket
very informative.I love their tools.I think I have 6 now.
Went to link for Amazon, "currently unavailable".
If the budget multitool companies spent some time stylizing their tools a bit better I have full confidence more people would buy them.
Stylizing costs $. Harder to mass produce.
Surrated blade are awsome for cuting rope
Fully serrated for sure..partial? Not that great.
My experience is great design, poor quality steel. A spring snapped and blades dulled quickly on my example.
I've yet to break my Bibury 🤞
Do a rewiew on the roxon mini tool
Just got the scissors - from watching your vids, thanks
Guess im gonna be trying a roxon...
I believe Leatherman tools are better, at this point. What’s slowly killing LM is their cost. And I do not mean the component cost. It’s labor cost. A Signal costing $140 is ridiculous. I bought mine 6 years ago @ $75.
Ozark Trail has a decent leatherman charge clone
Flash currently unavailable
That Multi tool looks like a very good option for a pocket multi with pocket clip that doesn't cost nearly $150. I might have to pick one up and give it some pocket time without using the sheath. Multi tools that cost under $50 are great for just trying out as a good pocket Leatherman pliers style multi tools that you can actually just try out without killing your wallet by costing over $100 easy these make a great option for that. Then if you have tried out the budget multi tool and find out that you don't enjoy or it doesn't fit as a good option for what you wanted it for you can throw the tool in your car for some extra tools or maybe a tackle box and you haven't lost $120-$150. For that reason I think that I am going to pick one up and try it out if I don't like it I can put it in my emergency tool kit that I keep in my car and I won't be angry for spending $150 and it not work out. So thanks for the review, examination and additional information on this budget minded tool.
Just an FYI, it’s $43 on Amazon now
That's the upgraded version with D2 which is much much better
Scissors are OK for the Swiss Army knife or a mini pocket multi tool plier but I'll take the saw blade over scissors every time.
The whistle & ferro rod, eh. I'd rather have more tools, screwdrivers maybe, 1/4 inch bit holder probably.
Thanks for all the multi tool videos. I've watched many trying to figure out what folding plier multi tool I want for my go bag, something lighter than my Leatherman Super Tool 200. It must have a saw. A decent file would be good too.
Hmm, sidekick?
@@maxlvledc the Sidekick certainly fits my criteria & even the Juice XE6 would work for me except I don't like the corkscrew. A corkscrew is good for a Swiss Army knife, not a Leatherman IMO. I'm looking for a budget friendly tool around $30-$40 though I may just cough up the dough & buy a Sidekick.
That said, my super tool weighs in at 9.4 ounces. The Sidekick weighs 7. My main criteria is to reduce the weight with a somewhat comperable tool. I'm not sure if 2.4 ounces is enough weight reduction. This is quite a thought process. Choose Wisely !!
Huh ... now available in D2 blade and DIN 1.4116 everything else.
really??
@@maxlvledc They've got a chart of differences between the new models on their A-Xpress store (The Roxon Store not the Roxon Tool store):The S803 and the S803E (The E stands for Elite apparently).
Same thing with their KS2 and KS2E on the Tool store.
Not to mention the Scissor and knife tool (S501 now S501U) now having the blade exchanger and both it and the Phantasy having G10 scale thingies.
When multi-tool pliers catch up to the engineering expertise of Knipex, I will consider buying one. Till then these knuckle buster and palm pinchers are hot garbage and dead weight. I'd rather carry a turd in my pocket, because at least I could use that to fertilize some plants.
That's never going to happen. Knipex is in a whole other stratosphere. What I'm more interested in is a high quality multitool under 5oz with milled jaws. And high quality materials.
Why include a video about a multi tool with a locking blade which is illegal I the UK in a section entitled uk edc!
What are you talking about? This is not that video
That "Made in the USA" adds a ridiculous amount to the price tag.
I don't honestly have an issue with that...as long as qc is spot on. Which sadly...hasn't been lately.
I wouldn’t say “ridiculous”. Paying the bills & workers costs way more here. They wouldn’t make any money otherwise & cease to exist. To me, if it’s built well, I don’t care where it’s made.
Yeah to bad they pay their people above slave wages
It’s got a 25 year warranty
@@tgonzalez1983 it does give a sad commentary on the gross mismanagement of the u.s dollar and in many cases the greed of labor unions
Imo it should have scissors that are good enough to cut leather in order to make a slingshot or a bola
You get what you pay for. I currently own four multi tools. They are all Leatherman’s. The newest edition, is the ARC.
I have SwissTech 17 in 1.The Best.
That one is also very very good
What’s your choice between this one and theSwiss Tech 18 in one you previously reviewed?
@@jeffking2214 swisstech slightly better. But walmart warranty actually matters
...so it's fairly even