Lifting Giant Stones - Pyramid Building Tilt-Up Method
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Keep It Simple. When building a massive stone structure using low technology, you don't want to waste time making it more complex. Men, levers, a simple but effective method and a good amount of effort is all that's needed.
This stone is around 1/10th the size of the typical stone used in the pyramids, but I think it gives a good representation of how this could be done.
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Keep It Simple. When building a massive stone structure using low technology, you don't want to waste time making it more complex. Men, levers, a simple but effective method and a good amount of effort is all that's needed.
This stone is around 1/10th the size of the typical stone used in the pyramids, but I think it gives a good representation of how this could be done.
nice. But how long is the lever for a 20,000lb block? It would be 57 times longer than yours.229 ft.(If there was only one)
@@benhuffington8482 thinking them same thing! Would the lever fit in the size of a tree? :)
Cool video, makes one wonder...
here is another interesting method. ruclips.net/video/E5pZ7uR6v8c/видео.html
@@sirmalaki79 - yeah, I remember seeing that years ago, but it would be waaaaay better if John did it in his yard. Just saying John... you know you want to :P
Thanks John, now if we can find one more stone, could you provide an example of lifting one large stone to the top of two verticals like done in Stonehenge. Without the help of visiting aliens.
Yup this just proves it. John is an alien.
*John in 2011:* Right. I'm planning on making a living similar to what Matthias is doing, making videos about cleverly engineered homemade tools, and selling plans so people can build their own!
*John in 2019:*
Hey, police, just because a neighbor reported me talking to a camera about aliens and the pyramids while using wooden sticks and used paint cans to stack large rocks on top of each other in my yard for no reason after attempting to teach them how to walk, DOES NOT mean you have reasonable suspicion for opening an investigation regarding my mental health!
- From someone who had to explain to an onlooker that just because I'm lying here in the dirt trying to position my camera to film myself riding , doesn't mean I'm injured after falling off my bike - _right before falling head first off my bike, having a tire explode, and catching it all on camera._
Mark 😆😆😆
I knew it!!
Can't wait to see the massive delivery of stone and pyramid taking shape in John's front yard!
I want to see a pyramid! i don't think he could make one with his method even if it was a smaller scale. It seems the step is too steep.
@@slamrock17 he'll eventually get it right after installing 2.3 million more such stones for the small scale model
In the 80s John, the Japanese tried to build a pyramid with how the thought the Egyptians built them. When they put the cap stone on, the whole pyramid collapsed. Rather than being annoyed or try doing it again, the said: well, at least we know how they didn't build them.
This proves that Egyptologists should take woodworking courses.
Moral of the story which a lot of non-believers of "humans having build the pyramids" seem to ignore: One does not have to lift the full weight of an item in order to move it.
Simple techniques that work can be the simpliest answer. It does not have to be complex if a simple solution works.
Okay but they moved and lifted 80 ton stones not little things he dug out of his garden. Let's be real now. Not only were some 20-80 Tons but they had to move them up 140 metres high.
@@theexteriorcleaningguy9457 Oh, absolutely. You are right to make that observation, but that's not where it should end. You are right, let's be real indeed.
Some general observations:
- The majority of blocks in the great pyramid weigh on average 2.3 tons (they were not all of the same size, hence average which means there could be stones of 10 tons as well) This has to do with the quarring of the stones.
I still think making and moving these is pretty managable and makes most of the mass of the pyramid. There was also an abundance of workforce and in certain seasons vastly more than others. (cfr. corvée). It was a nationalwide/religious endeavor.
- The very heavy stones are above the King's chamber and did not have to be "lifted" up 140m high (rather 45-55m), let alone without support or in a vertical direction, like cranes would do. The heaviest stone moved by men was not by using a crane (cfr Thunderstone, >1250 tons).
The interesting part to me is that the ceilingstones of the King's Chamber are not a single piece, but rather slabs of stone placed next to eachother. That ofc does not mean they are less in weight, but they are more "managable " in dimentions.
It is true that these were much heavier than the limestoneblocks that fill up the pyramid. That is why I think in addition some form of counterweightbalance was used to put these stone into place. The grand galery might have been used for that as well, we are not sure. These 9 slabs of the visible ceiling are estimated to be 400 tons, making it ~45 tons on average. The largest of the slabs (most likely in between "floors" or on top) is estimated to be 80 tons indeed.
In comparison.. Obelisks are also part of the Old Kingdom period and weigh much more. Around the period of 1830, France received one weighing ~230 tons and took 6 years to bring it to Paris. The transportation and erection did not differ too much from Ancient Egypt's methods. Rolled on a sledge, move to the Nile to get it on a special made boat, erecting by use of levers + 300 men. The only real difference is the construction of the ship itself.
There is actual proof from primary sources that stones were moved by boats or by sled+manpower during the Old Kigndom period. (cfr. Red Sea scrolls at Wadi El Jarif, Wall painting tomb of Djehutihotep,...)
Let's not be too hasty and jump to conclusions like the ancient egyptians were too primitive (cfr. Rhind Papyrus, Imhotep,...) or it could not be done without very advanced technology... In 1830 they also did not particularly use very advanced technology to deal with the Luxor Obelisk, yet that's not even 200 years ago. That is what I mean with the beauty of simple techniques supported by physics. Here's an example: cut glass with siscors under water vs above water. It's such a simple change, yet a total difference in outcome.
A bonus funfact of physics: Both with using a sled on sand and with cutting of stone water can make a huge difference. (which you can perhaps see depicted in the wall painting tomb Djehutihotep for the sled)
Today we can EASILY make a pyramid like Khufu's again, if we have enough manpower and resources, which is a primary reason why we will not build it again. Nobody wants to invest that vast amount of money into a project like that. Just don't say we do not have the potential to repeat what the Ancient Egyptians did. We most certainly do and more. The lesson that can be learned from the video - in my opininon - is that you can use simple but effective techniques to get something done. It does not always have to involve more complex machinery or electricity or steel or a wheel or whatever. :)
Pls feel free to share your thoughts.
I see a flaw in your theory...........Eqyptians didn't have paint buckets and 5 gallon pails....Good one John....
Grumpyneanderthal ... yeah.... and no Home Depot nearby to get more 5 gallon buckets!
He did say about logs. Unless that was a joke...
Cleverhardy omg
They had sticks from trees that are round & logs of various sizes... Imagination is free - Sky's the limit!
ALIENS ATE MY HOMEWORK!
I am just a builder off houses, but when there is some heavy , and there isn’t a crane , I like to turn the thing over and over. Not by rollers because the ground isn’t good enough.
Good job, John
Yep, been there and done that. I notice that's never mentioned as a method yet it's prime. I only ever saw one mention that there were hundreds of hard stone balls found too. Used as rollers?
Nicely done!
I am just coming back from a visit to a large dovetail jointed house that a friend's father built ALONE in the forest in Canada.
He felled, milled, moved and jointed the beams and raised the house on top of a stone foundation that he built on bedrock using the stones from the excavation. He built a two storey chimney and was preparing to face it with stone also. He never quite finished, but what a way to spend your time! I cannot conceive of how he did this alone in what is substantially a swamp.
I never met the man, but I have been inspired! Trying to help clean up and preserve the property means I get a chance to try some things myself! Lots of big rocks as it is on a limestone alvar.
Thks for sharing your theory.
It's nice to see someone physically show how a personal idea is done..
All right... "Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth." Now I understand what Archimedes meant. I just great, man. The most man's powerful tool is his ingenious.
Absolutely the way to go. Just start in and work up, learning, inventing as you go.
This is a worthwhile video!
Me and a builder in his 70s (!) pulled a boulder as big as me out of the ground using this method.
We were laying some plumbing out to a cabin and hit a boulder and the more we dug around it the bigger it got.
Big hole, using stones, planks, scrap wood, and massive crowbar, we were able to inch by inch free it from its ground-seal and roll it all the way up the edge and out to rest under a nearby tree.
We even planted some moss and shrubs around the boulder after; that's a garden feature right there
John is answering the question no one is asking. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for reviving my dream of building a megalithic structure just to show it can be done!
Nicely done.
Works for me!
Wir dürfen die Zeit nicht vergessen. Wenn ich heute 5 Stunden am Smartphone sitze, habe ich 5 Stunden nichts gemacht. Selbst wenn er pro Stunde nur 1 cm schafft, hat er in 5 Stunden 5 cm gemacht.
You maybe COULD “walk” very large long stones. This is apparently what was done on Easter Island.
John, there is a video on RUclips of this guy from outside Flint Michigan who moved giant blocks of cement using very small pebbles that I think you'd find interesting. I like his theory on how the pyramids and other megalithic structures were built, however the failing point in his theory is that you would need to have giant rocks buried to move your construction stones from place to place with as little effort as he was moving them. I mean you could bury giant stones, then when construction is almost done dig them out and use them in the finished product
Try the center teetering method to lift stone vertical. Continue adding mass for each alternate teeter and the stone will rise. Almost like a ratcheting effect. Let the stone do the heavy lifting.
now to the next level .... 5 tonnes stone, perfectly cut and placed every 2 minutes.
you can pick the crew
just calculate how many stones have to be placed and on route and how many ppl will walk around to get it done.
remember that when you get higher, the amount of blocks placed will decrease due to lack of space, so the start will need to be at least twice as fast.
also.... you might wanna try moving them blocks not 3 ft, but a few 100 miles ... by boat or pull them.
scaling down is nice to make a point and it shows possible ways, but it can't compare to the actual challenge, getting ppl out of the way wherever possible ;)
I always said , it's done by aliens 😃
Have you taken a close look at the pyramids. The vast majority are not perfectly cut. Far from it Sand and rubble fill in an unknown number of spaces and how long they took to build is pure speculation. So how about YOU scale down your very poor analysis of this video. And take a look at some modern theory's and let go of some Egyptian ideology
@@davedave1064 while I'm sure they used rubble to fill in some of it, they can't have used very much or the pyramids would have collapsed under the unimaginable weight of themselves a long time ago,
@@crazyjay6331 No they used a lot. They just don't lie to talk about it. They do however love to endlessly tell you about how you can't slide a razor blade between the very few blocks in the chambers. Take a close look at the pictures of the blocks on the out side. Total jumbled mess.
@@davedave1064 those have been heavily eroded though and all the casing stones that did fit perfectly have been taken, I know that all the blocks within the pyramid do not fit together absolutely perfectly and they used sand to fill a few gaps but it's not like they just chucked a bunch of jumbled rubble in the middle of the pyramids, they are still built entirely from blocks, just the small gaps are filled with sand. The thing that stumps me is that you can only have a certain amount of people shaping one granite block before it would be too crowded, even at super human speeds it would take them more than a year straight of work just to chisel that thing down even to a rough shape and then you have millions more blocks to go. Also there are tons of blocks were all sides are perfectly flat, even the ones that you don't see, why do that when - excuse the pun - all you have for sanding is sand. I get it if maybe they accidently sand the wrong side of one or two blocks, but when its thousands of massive blocks, you got to realise that they surely had more than just sand, like how can you rub sand on one side of a block for over a year at least, and only then discover that no one will see that side of the block, and make the same mistake over and over again lmao.
Don’t forget to shape the stone with a bronze chisel before you stack it
*What about pink granite stones, andesite, alabaster, black basalt, greenstone, etc; very hard rocks and difficult to shape with simple bronze chisels. Good one, bro.*
Your Name Here yeah but if u understood how much harder Aswan granite is and how far it is away used INSIDE the pyramids with unbelievable precision is the wonder. It’s definitely not precut concrete shipped to u by truck. But forget doing it modern day. Ask yourself if we could have done this 100 years ago or 1800s.. we would be clueless.
The secret knowledge u can shape any rock with the same type of rock...
@Your Name Here they say the great pyramid took 25-30 years to build. If true that is a stone being laid every 9 minutes.
@The Media Lies The funny thing is that you mentioned that there were many pyramids in Egypt and that is correct but you forgot to mention that The Great Pyramid was one of the first ones built. With that said i would like to ask you if you could tell me why dit the pyramids get smaller, weaker and less complicated as time passed. Your main argument is the power of time but that contradictes your whole point. You obviously don't know enough abot the complex problems involving the pyramids. and you are to stubborn to new ideas and concepts. I would advise you to do more reasherch, if possible, your own.
Have used 3 ancient methods - rock swivel, dowel roll, and beam lift/leverage - for decades. No damage even to heaviest items. Often faster, easier than helpers or eqpmt. Great on difficult terrain.
Yup, it's not rocket science. I used to push 4 tonnes up an incline one-handed with the other steering it through tight corners with less than 10mm of clearance. I'm weak, stupid, and can't parallel park. But I figured out how to do it while everyone laughed at me instead of helping. Strength, intelligence, and tools are irrelevant. Any able-bodied person can do it, they do it every day without even realising it. Very simple and intuitive, it's a lever to start a rotation followed by a slow 90-degree force applied to the rotation; if the wheel's radius is big enough and you have a flywheel, you only need to move it a millimetre before momentum will do most of the work for you. Way faster and easier than getting half a dozen strong men to help out.
Ahh, foundations for new pyramidical workshop extension!!
Yes.. Johns been talking about a new bigger shop for quite awhile. Consider this the planning and concept phase ;D
You can walk gigantic stones, you just need ropes and multiple people.
Im a little restrained when watching videos like this nowadays since this is usually how it looks when people become flat earthers.
Great video. I moved a lot of stone lately. You use simple basic tools and got a big job done fairly easily. My stones are blobs not blocks but I can walk or roll them in most cases.
Your neighbors are like “wtf?” 😂
You either asking one of your friends with big rocks to do this or finding big rocks and asking a stranger if you could do this makes me giggle lol.
You have also created a nice bench seat for passers by, good work 🙂
John, are you trying to convince us that the Egyptians had paint cans?
How else did they paint those hieroglyphics?
If there was an Emmy for RUclips videos, this should be at least nominated. You... rock!
There should be events around moving heavy objects like this. Teams would bring there own tools and work to move or stack the blocks. I would absolutely love to do that. I'm not just a commenter I'm a doer!
And you made a bench!
sitting on that bench might give him piles..I hope he does a video to test that!
Thought the same thing...
thats super cool John, sometimes Im completely stunned by the problem solving, fixing, overcoming obstacles-skills of mankind, but most of the time Im shaking my head at youngsters riding bikes into full hardcore rush hour traffic staring at their phones...
Yes, I love that Can-Do attitude! You must have some Canadian blood in you!
There's a guy in Michigan who made his own Stonehenge, by himself. Moves 20 ton stones on video.
Wally T. Wallington.
@Tommy Middlefinger moving the stones is relatively easy, because you can float them down river and down canals, a single horse would easily move a 25 ton barge along a canal and these were used all over northern England during the industrial revolution transporting coal, textiles and steel.
OMG! Finally i can now sleep soundly knowing who built the pyramids!
I remember seeing a video about Stonehenge and a guy was moving huge objects like barns by pivoting them on 2 small stones
Yes you did he is from outside of Flint Michigan.
Wally T. Wallington.
John, have a look at Wally from Michigan moving 20 ton blocks by himself. I don’t know how to send a link to his video but it is on the history channel. Regards
Thanks John, an interesting test. Watching the stone fall into place after you tilt was epic, really made me think about thew sheer effort! My best stone to shoulder is around 90kg, that thing is heavy... Imagine those pyramid blocks!
Experience is the best teacher if you know what you are doing starting out.You have shown that many times
I really like your shop projects. Never miss one. Desert projects, not so much. But I like your effort whatever you do.
Plot twist : the ancients weren't primitive. They had advanced technology
Technically at the time it was. 😉
Excellent explanations John. Occam's razor says "The simplest explanation is usually the explanation". You have reduced all the problems here to their simplest components, and described a very feasible way to do things. My personal favorite idea for moving the stones is to use circular sections clamped around the outside of the stone to essentially make the stone into a wheel. 4 quarter sections could be attached with ropes to the outside of the stone, and then it would be fairly easy to roll anywhere with a few people pulling ropes. That would necessitate the ramp method however. Still, there are many good ideas out there, and you have proposed, and demonstrated a very possible method for pyramid building. Thanks!
Plausible. But how could they have used this method to place 2.3 million blocks and build the great pyramid within 20 years, as mainstream egyptologists state. And how big of a lever would you need for a 70 ton pillar that needs to be suspended 300ft high..
Awesome!
Hey just wanted to say thanks. I enjoyed watching your clip. I like your outlook on being a do'er.
I like your thinking and I wonder if there might be evidence to support whether this technique was used. The way the block is tipped up would likely damage the corners / edges. If a large number of the blocks on the pyramid have damage to the edges it might indicate this method was used. You'd need to test it on a large block though to see how much damage would be caused by this method. The one thing I don't like about this that it seems harder than using cribbing but what do I know I've never moved a 50 ton block of stone.
YEAH! Lets build a pyramid by hand. No engines allowed. :D
Seems to be a very interesting workout video
I'd like to see how they got wooden leavers, big enough and strong enough to handle the massive weights, that were manuverable themselves
Well, you use several levers.
Or call the aliens, which is what you believe.
You can lift heavy things with two poles and some rope, the technique is common in the building industry and the poles are called shear legs.
I know I would have never thought of placing those two wood slats between the two stones.
They probably used this method, along with others, to move and place stones. They sure new about mechanical advantage and got good with it. Good thinking on this.
enjoyed the vids,
Lee
No it didn't at all. How would they do this on the outside 100 feet up
Awwww-Mazing! Thank You! 🌱
great video. you got a great point too
My friend moved a big metal lathe across his workshop with a pry bar, just like you demonstrated .
multiply the lever size the same as the stone size. they would need a 100 foot long or longer lever thats 6 foot or more diameter. they would need a lever for their lever cause leaver be so heavy
I have really enjoyed this pyramid series of videos, especially because as you say you are a doer. Theory only goes so far with me...and then I want to see it in practice. Btw, this video reminded me a lot of the Netflix series Strongland...you kind of look like the stonelifters!
you should try it piking up more weight but with an entire tree log and get some friends to help you.
Excellent point about putting the wood strips vertical to the stone being tipped rather than just lying them on the receiving stone. I originally thought their only purpose was to provide a space to pry / lift / move the stone after it was laid down. Adding that to the bank!
you see!! this is how simple
I can only imagine what Stumpy Nubs has to say about us Canadians and what's going on at John's when he sees these videos...
Nice one, maybe we all can see where all this is going in the end
Nice job. I can totally picture crews of 10 or so men all in line with their blocks. The line would be dozens of blocks long. All slowly working their way to the front of the line. The boss is up on the half built pyramid pointing to the spot he wants the crew that is front & center to place their block. Once they get it in place, they clear out and walk back to the quarry for the next one. The next crew is ready right behind them with an identical block. This is going on day & night for 20 years straight with hundreds of those crews assembled per shift...
Yep. And as with Aswan Quarry, the crew waiting back at the quarry is merely waiting 500 miles away. It would take 20 years to get 50 of these blocks from Quarry to giza plateau. Nevermind the time it takes to perfectly cut, carve, shape, sculpt the granite... with nothing but the literally insufficient bronze and/or iron tools.
Also, keep in mind, using this easy flipping method with stones 100 times the mass of that stone all the way up the incredibly long and relatively steep ramp, or whatever other method must have been used to elevate and perfectly place the 2 MILLION-PLUS 50-100 TON stones all around, within, and atop the nearly 500 ft tall pyramid.
Yeah. It would have been oh so simple just as the mere mortal in this video insists. Simply using primitive hand tools, and by no means could they possibly have been using any sort of superadvanced technologies, machines, mechanisms, etc., which have simply been forgotten and thus lost and unknown to the minds and even the imaginations of most modern day history theorists.
@@ibrown3KC the "ramp" would have been equal in effort to the pyramid itself. The people simplifying the construction of the ancient megaliths have nearly zero understanding of the very leverage they just witnessed. The great pyramids were built by a pre diluvian civilization. The later pyramids were built with much much smaller stones.
Nice work John, only 900 million blocks to go for the real thing: 4,000 years from now, "How do you think they did this?" "Don't know, alien maybe?"
You should build Stonehenge! (I did it for school and wondered how other people would make it. I used marble slabs to make mine!)
Excellent man. Great video
Just find out how that guy built Coral Castle. He pretty much figured out how to move giant stones on his own. I think he passed away before telling how though
This guy must be an ancient alien
Great video John, as I always believe, real world experience talks louder than any theory.
Absolutely Right, congratulations to John, great vid.
Great demonstration, gotta save my back using this method
What nice rocks.Some layers there. They would split easily.
Now show us how to cut laser precision water tight block using string, sand and brass tools......
This proves pyramids were build by titans.
Looks good
Love your point! Please people, get out there and DO experiments!
I’m really hoping in a future video you show how they might have shaped the stones.
Have you seen the experiments of Wally Wallington in Flint Michigan?
German says.
Gewaltig ist des Schlosser Kraft, wenn er mit dem Hebel schafft.
Powerful is the locksmith's strength when he creates with the lever.
Great John
I really hope no one believes this is how the pyramids were built.
You mean they didn't build it on its side and flip it into place?
Cool, man! Thank you.
Simple and practical .. John has cracked the code.. awsome mate..how did they build it.??..well ask a builder
Or a alien....aliens wouldnt even know.
amazing hahahah tomorrow we start moving 7 tons of stones to build Heisz Pyramid LOL
Great video!
“Give me a lever “long” enough and a Fulcrum on which to place it and I shall move the world“
Is the correct saying here
Did you know the original pyramids did not contain mummies and they also do not have artwork inside. If you look at pyramids across the egyptian area the oldest ones are the most impressive, difficult to construct and most intact. The great pyramid looks more like a functional structure like a damn or well than it does a religious symbolic structure. It also has a processional date inscribed within its foundational orientation in a similar way to the hoover dam.
Definitely believe they are more then just tombs nicola tesla wasnt obsessed with them for no reason
You are the best, John!
With all the respect for ure effort,i cant even take this video serious,sometimes we dont need to leave the sofa,to understand the obvious.....
Oh boy another internet warrior who thinks he knows everything because he have tin foil hat on his head;)
@@tgstudio85 i would recomend u to leave hard drugs
Keep it up.
John, well done.
The real take away is the use of the wood strips to prevent the stone from slipping as you moved the stone to the top position.
Show us the giant using a giant crowbar lifting a giant stone on to the top of the giant Kufu pyramid.
In proportion, you have demonstrated how giants built the structures with large blocks. Can we see you now move a block 1500 tonnes?
The largest stones on the pyramids were 6.5-10 tonnes. Most shipping cranes can lift 65 tonnes, with some capable of lifting 120 tonnes. Contrary to popular belief, we have the technology and equipment to rebuild the pyramids very easily today.
Appreciate your demonstration sir 👏🏽
K. So where did the wood come from? This is like the people that made hollow Moai "walk" forgetting that the stone is hundreds of times bigger, and all Moai have full bodies, not just what's visible up top (legs, jewels and all).
In Egypt, wood was scarce, especially wood that would work with moving blocks worth tons.
The technology involved was based around Egypt's most common element. Sand. You can do a lot of things with it, once you understand how to control it.
Thanks John
So good
that walking the stones was demonstrated with ropes for moving the Easter Island moai statues