Is There Favoritism And Sabotage In Big Hit Among
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In this video, we'll delve into the rumors surrounding favoritism and sabotage in Big Hit among BTS members, and the speculation of Scooter breaking up BTS. Find out the truth behind the controversies. 
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Most unpopular opinion, BTS is best treated Idol or artist in overall music industry. Show me a company which is cooperating and managing thier artist like BigHit. All BTS members are able to fulfill their military duty and release music and other projects simultaneously. Other companies are making their idols sit idle without giving a comeback for years and not paying the money they should get.
I'm not saying to stan the company but stop hating it unnecessarily
Heck yes!!❤
Yes! Especially if you compare them to other 3rd gen boy groups. According to google the following groups debuted between 2012 and 2016: Btob, Winner, Exo, Got7, Bts, Seventeen, Monsta X, Astro, Ikon, and Vixx. Of these groups more than half are disbanded and the only one who is even really active as a group is Seventeen. Why haven't they met the same fate as the others (minus svt)? Because the men of BTS know what they are doing and the smart people of Bighit know what they are doing.
@@itsjustjess1
Part of it IS the military service.
Exo suffers from it.
But than they have the missfortune to be under SM.
SM means being an industry baby on debut but it also means a lot less freedom. At the moment 3 members are fighting the label and some members are serving.
GOT7 technically exists and I think they dropped a song or so after they left their old label. They also own their name because they asked for it and where given it. But overall they are all under different labels doing their own thing.
SM has trouble lately which is why some older artists are able to leave at least for their indivdual stuff.
Especially for their solo projects. There's no group that has had solo projects for all members to the level that BTS has. It's ridiculous to act like BigHit is not treating them right.
They also have so much say in their releases. If anything on the release side isn't were they want it, it's partly their own fault.
I agree and tbh I think ARMY doesn't realize how fortunate BTS has been to have Bang PD & BigHit looking out for them. So many other idols are terribly mistreated by their lables...SM is a great example, 3 members are currently in legal dispute with them. My faith is in the BTS members themselves, and they have chosen to re-sign with BigHit, so Bang PD & Co have to be doing something right imo
people need to understand that different doesn't necessarily means better or worse. each member has his own thing about the promo that followed the theme and the purpose of the release. all 7 of them don't need to be the same and do the same things. chapter 2 has started to show us how different they are, people are failing to grasp it
V said chapter 2 was them running around with no shirts on😂😂😂
@@NomadicKitty Actually, he said that chapter two was not about taking their shirts off... and yet.
@@NomadicKitty
The opposite actually.
But he is right in so far as it is about artistic growth of them as indivdual artists.
That we also see more skin is definetly a bonus.
TY! I think treating members as unconscious children is disrespectful. They are grown men driving their own careers and as a group. You are spot on in every point.
Not only this, some Armys play really hard to break BTS and Hybe and initiate dispute between them. There is no dispute between BTS and Hybe. There is dispute between MHJ and Hybe, and this thing about so called Armys trying to cause dispute between BTS and Hybe all started after MHJ started her war against Hybe. There are no coincidences. Those who want the break between Hybe and BTS and ar accussing Hybe of ridiculous things are playing into MHJ's cards. They are her puppets. Someone who is puppet of the enemy of BTS , which MHJ is, shouldn't speak for Army or have any place in Army, imho.
@@0xyGen_2.p0well said!
@@0xyGen_2.p0 I agree!
@@GdReiz235 thank you. Not to mention that all BTS members also co-own Hybe through their shares they have in tge company.
@@0xyGen_2.p0 они имеют по
0,01% акций. Это смешная цифра, которая ни на что не влияет. 😂😂😂
There are some Armys out there who are either too young to understand or some are just bent on bashing Big Hit for stupid reasons .. the guys have told us time and time again that they do exactly what they want with their music and their promotions .. Suga chose to do a tour whereas RM chose to have an intimate concert with 200 people .. they decide what they want to do .. bottom line people need to realise that BTS are the final decision makers of their promotions 👍🥰💜💜 thanks for putting things into perspective for those who jump to conclusions to quickly Fairlane, loved the video👍🥰💜
is it?
Yes.
@@ctc1118 IT IS .. people need to pay attention when the guys are speaking instead of just oggling over how they look and what they have on at the time .. as Fairlane said "they are smart men" 👍
@@shireenedoo1978 exactly. Guys said in a lives, interviewees and docu series everything but people are NOT LISTENING. The loudest being kids and teens from what I've seen. They just need to learn how to listen and understand what members are saying.
What boils me is when they disrespect the other members . If they would just try to listen and be rational. The Fandom will have more unity.
Yes, i agree with you. But sometimes some ARMY's are demanding. Trust BTS, THEY ARE ALL GROWN UP MEN...
Amen!!
The ones demanding aren’t ARMY or majority of them aren’t. Most likely they are solos or diet solos.
@@hayasalem5653 I ONLY TRUST V AND JUNGKOOK💜💜💜
@@NellyMouse Do you think they will appreciate your disrespect towards the other members? They all made it clear " Respect and support all of us" They won't want you as a fan, you are way to disrespectful and they made it clear they don't like people who disrespect the BTS members. Shame on you.
@NellyMouse And they were inspired by and learn from their older members, so stop being so brain washed.
We don't have to trust Hybe/BigHit 100%, but we can trust that BTS knows what they are doing.
@@Kattawhat exactly 💜
BTS firmó el nuevo contrato, están felices en su empresa, porque ustedes sufren si a ellos no les importa?😂😂😂
@@Beto25144 It always is good for consumers to take a balanced or slightly critical view on corporate work, regardless of what the artists decide.
*What bothers me is that people proclaim that they know BTS and know what's up with them, you rightly said that you don't know them and everything you say is based on logical facts and I agree saying this we all know that we have a company that tries to promote the artists but also seeks profit but as we all know the Solo Projects have divided the fandom a lot but not split BTS and the promotion of each of them was different also because each of them is different,I know BTS for many are only valid as a group and in Solo Projects people complain about their promotions but what did RM say in FESTA"YOU HAVE TRUST IN US AND OUR CHOICES" but it seems that for many people his words are null and void? wth?*
I know and it's insulting to the Members when so called fans moan and gripe and accuse HYBE of favouritism of members and sabotaging other members. It's the solo fans that push this narrative in the main and it spreads to those who are new to BTS.
Look how Jin explained his Hug Fest and how BigHit didn't oppose it but were worried about his safety and ARMY's safety between them they worked it out. Look how Suga only want an Arena concert tour but was offered the chance to do a Stadium concert Tour. Then realised after looking back he could have done a Stadium Concert Tour.
How with J Hope's Jack in the Box album he didn't want a physical album but got push be fans to release one before he was ready he had his plan and certain fans complained and made him feel bad about his own decisions. How entitled were those so called fans?
Each member is an individual and has idea's of their own and will discuss those with BigHit who'll do their dam best to give each member what the want within Time Frame's and monies available.
What also bothers me is that some fans demand things sometimes against their will because the excuse is that the artist is nothing without the fans but it doesn't mean that they are puppets in our hands and at our command, the artist must be free and left to create his music and it is up to us to listen and appreciate it if we like it but as we know the world is big with all kinds of people/many ages which will always be difficult to please everyone and unfortunately everyone has their own thoughts whether they are for or against BTS there are those who sow hatred, there are those who allow themselves to be influenced by the online media and there are those who are only with the most popular, and here we are spoiled for choice of people and their thoughts.😞🤷♀️🤦♀️
@@maricutadunca_613 I agree with you. I'm an artist myself so I'd hate it if so called fans were to try to dictate what I was doing as an Artist. I think I'd be so annoyed I'd ask them to not follow me anymore as they'd not be the people I'd want to be associated with.
@@eileencritchley4630 Но ЧИМИН просил 5 клипов на свои песни FACE, а ему разрешили только 2 клипа. Хотя Чонгуку и Техену на все песни разрешили делать клипы . А встречи с фанатами. Вы видели в каком сарае устроили встречу Чимина с фанатами. А теперь сравните фанвстречу Техена. Ему разрешили нанять ведущего, написали сценарий, арендовали один из лучших концертных залов Сеула. Вы считаете это справедливо? Просто, в компании есть любимчики, а есть изгои. И это очень хорошо видно
@@Camomile2018 That did they wanted with in the budget and time constraint's, when using the company money.
Many thanks for the great content. I agree that they have a say in how they promote and when they can. They have all put a tremendous amount of work the last 18 months to give us the amount of quality content that they have. The new CEO of Big Hit said that they just give them what they want because they know what they are doing and everything begins and ends with Army. Look how did a hug event that the company did not want to happen, happened! Jin persisted and got what he wanted over many negotiations. All the company had to do besides organise it was to ensure it could be done safely. I still do not understand fans that see them still as young boys with no power and no input in their creative endeavours. They are the power in Hybe!
If they disbanded Hybe would take a massive hit so you can bet your life they will do whatever it takes to keep them happy and stay as BTS. Anyone who thinks any of them are being sabotaged is not thinking straight. I agree that Hybe sometimes fails miserably but that is incompetence with some of the staff and I am sure mistakes are dealt promptly. Thank you once again for great content and being a voice of reason.💜
Thanks for explaining again. I also watched BORACITY and she explained everything about BTS members solo promotion direction.
I find that I trust your analysis better than anybody else’s so I’m really pleased you are able to do this. Thank you 😊
I agree....there is a clear logic to each of their solo trajectory...its not favouritism but the company trusting and respecting each member's wish and creative direction.
So how did jimin talk in Japan interview that he ask for two more videos and ceo said no he must be reonable it not possible but jk got v got more jhope got so please stop talking members. Want this or that ,put thy push jimin in everything other members do so as to push them
@esminbaker4586 bts members have stated many times they made all decisions about their solo work.
Each members was given a budget for what they wanted
@@esminbaker4586 jk didnot get any MV in chapter 1 so maybe they made it up by giving him 3 in solo..tae was low budget
@@esminbaker4586 We have no clue why it wasn't possible though. It could be time, it could be that Jimin wanted a specific creative team like with Face and they were not available in the time he had left. It could be that since he wanted to create Muse then he had to be reasonable considering he has another project to pay for. We will never know the reasons. Jimin is your bias and has stayed and trusted BH. Don't you trust the decisions of your bias?
@@itsjustjess1i still believe Jimin didnt get what he wanted. Even during Face, he was hurried to finish the dance practice, there was no time to the point he got sick. Still he was sabotaged in his promotions. Were not blind.
Remember when people got pissy cause JHope's album was digital? And then we learned that HE made it so. BTS choose their own promo
I felt so bad for J-Hope. I thought it was strange he only released a digital version but I never criticized him for it because I don't know what happens behind the scenes I just figured he must have his reasons for doing so.
@@crystalsnow1138 people criticized him, even non fans did just to spread hate. I don't know why people can't respect however the members choose to promote their respective solo albums. And that’s why Hobi ended up taking more toll before enlisting to shoot new concept pics and release the physical version.
@MewDenise
HOW SOON THEY FORGET
@@2025btswillrock no I observed no one criticizing him, only Hybe
In which ways do bts have to tell people that they are incharge of the type of music they make and how they choose to promote?. People are tiring!!
Right? Even when the guys say straight out, 'No, that was my decision', these people immediately come back with, 'The company MADE HIM say that!!'
I often think these sorts are antis- I *know* a lot of them are solos. They rarely attack BTS directly, because they know how protective ARMY is, but they attack the company in the hopes of getting people to agree that the group should 'just leave' such an abusive company, or 'split and go solo'.
I think people really need to understand that BTS is massive. Massive. They make most of the decisions on promotions themselves along with the label's input on the business side of things.
If you think that the label is doing certain things to the boys then you should probably double check your ideas here. They are BTS. Can you imagine they don't control their own careers? You can bet their new contract gave them even more autonomy than now.
Hybe / Big Hit will likely be reduced more to investors of BTS and not the other way around.
They make their own decisions in the very end.
Yes!
100% that. HYBE knows what side their bread is buttered on. BTS is their biggest money maker and they will bend over backward to keep all of the BTS members happy. Not the other way around.
I feel the members chose what they wanted to do as promotions for their solo works... Tae even said on Suchwita that he wanted to do showcases/music shows and an MV for his singles...JK said he was going to do the daytime shows and his promotions in the US... and so on.... I think time constraints were also a thing for a couple of them (JMs 2nd album and RMs new one)... I totally agree with you Fairlane
except Hybe has authority for example Jimin said he wanted to do an mv for all 5 songs not just two and he was apparently firmly told "impossible"
Except Hybe has authority eg jimin asked to do mv for all 5 Face album songs not just two and he was apparently told "Impossible"
His budget, time, and even the staff may have been spread too thin. Jimin had 2 expensive music videos. 'Set Me free' and 'Like Crazy' had to hire trained dancers and skilled choreographers, not to mention the directors for the mvs.
On top of that, he had his ep film, a meet, promotions in the US and music shows on his timeline. He was also an ambassador for multiple brands so he had a lot of shoots and promotions during that time.
That doesn't even account for Big Hit staff still working with the rest of the members, Suga's concert, and the other Big Hit artists.
It was a busy year for Big Hit. I don't know the in and outs, but there could have been a legit reason. Two high-quality mvs for an EP are already a lot.
@@sc33h3o3😂😂😂 ustedes siguen con lo mismo en todas las redes, que crees que pasará con la llora ton? A Jimin no le importa el sabe el gran éxito de su álbum está feliz el mismo lo dijo, pasó la página y ustedes llorando 😂😂😂
@@Beto25144 I don't speak Spanish
I don't get why people act like any of them have similar releases. Yes, quality-wise they are comparable, but style-wise they are very different. Having the same marketing strategies for any 2 of them, not to mention for all, would be insane. I'm not saying that everything went perfectly but in my opinion, they all achieved their respective goals with their albums.
Also, all these people are indirectly calling the BTS members either stupid, completely unaware of the industry or so powerless that their contracts(the 3rd they've signed) have to be as close to a slave contract as possible. And I think that all of those 3 options are idiotic. I mean they've always had more freedom in their contracts than most idols, and then they negotiated 2 times based on their performance so you can not make me believe that they do not have creative and promotional freedom.
These types of discussions annoy me cuz they're making me defend a company which I generally don't but the arguments are against all logic. Even with all malicious intent, a company will sabotage artists they don't like either before they are famous or if they think they will no longer be profitable. With BTS both of these cases are not applicable. It would be such a bad business decision it's not even funny. So what is it? Is BigHit/Hybe a big greedy company that wants all the money or are they malicious and stupid and don't care about profit as long as they can take BTS down? It can only be one of those.
Well said. The amount of Jimin solostan accounts spreading the word that he is the only member being mistreated and should leave BTS and BigHit is unbearable. They are not trying to understand how much they love and inspire each other and it's their biggest strength
I feel BTS fans are spoiled. No one is putting out music and content like BTS. I sit back and let them make the music they want to and if they want to promote or not. Fans are so driven by charts, numbers and awards etc to boost the fans ego! BTS has nothing to prove and let the music speak for itself. If an album "flops" so be it. BTS can comeback as a group and kill it! Not worried
Whatever BTS decides to do, we are here to support 💜
We should always remember that the guys see what ARMY does and says. Think before speaking: How would each of them react? Will it warm their heart or make them feel bad? Are your words something that will help them or are you just releasing your own angst? Like Fairlane said, these guys are not dumb.. they are brilliant. They ponder and consider deeply each and every decision they make (which must be exhausting). ARMY want to share love and admiration but we also *must* exude respect in all that we do.
I believe from the first content i saw with Jin cutting his own hair that Bighit wanted drama. BTS is the drama. Those young men have been in control from the very beginning, they do what they want and everyone just have to accept it. They can't and won't be controlled, they might compromise but the last say is theirs. People really needs to stop and let them do their thing. Lets just love, support and enjoy them.
My trust in the members is no moved, what is moved is my trust in army and the inequality in their support for each member, the promise was to support them all equally, then when Sweet Night by V we all saw many army asking others to not focus on it, it has happened with all Taehyung's music till now, and now they are doing the same with the Hyung line, there is hundreds if not thousands of X's posts asking to focus only on Jungkook and Jimin but almost none asking for respect nor support for HL and V is disappointing enough that people uses the excuse of the music genre, now the excuses go on piling, no one is forced to stream but at least don't hinder the chances others have by not including them in your playlists, big accounts of bts fan bases are not including info about achievements of each members which makes the flow of information inaccurate, I insist that if you are a fanbase ot7 then do as promised of just come out as solo fan base which in my view is not wrong either because I expect all fan bases to have their timelines info updated, not two fanbases giving the exactly same achievement to two different members without investigating, researching and updating if it's true or if any other member achieved it in an earlier date, that is why I think big accounts have the responsibility to inform accurately about all members being that they are fan base for all members and not just one or two.
The opening questions reminded me of something I've been tossing around my head for the past few months. I've had more and more concern, that even if an ARMY aren't a boycotter, they've let their (boyotter's) repeated mantras start to sink into regular ARMYs brains and definitely started to twist their realities as well. They may not be participating in the boycott but they are almost inadvertently acting like their prophets their heavy manti messages AND some anti wording much stronger than 2+ years ago.
I suspect, based on a combo of just constant bombardment of the repeated wording AND a need to protect themselves from being called a "company stan" regular ARMY jump ahead of the accusation and bash decisions/co-workers to make it sound they aren't some "cupcake"/company stans.
And when you go look at the boycotters themselves, they are almost like MAGA people who watch their TV shows 24/7. You see SOME of them becoming violent in their rhetoric and there is very few who talk deeper than 1 inch deep in their knowledge, but it's not about learning about the business/social issues surrounding the situation, it's about RTing headlines that reiterate their thoughts.... aka creating a giant echo chamber of acceptance which then leads to more and more extreme positions
BH/HYBE has many flaws but my biggest criticisms are rarely the ones they are pushing, because a lot of them are based on what ARMY wants OVER what the guys want (such as JK wanting to go heavy pop direction, is a JK decision, he's not a child who can be manipulated like that, it's doubly offensive to add that on top or V brilliantly focusing on Japan promo and not US )
@@ihniwiad Yes! Army is so big that even a small percentage of them being susceptible to brainwashing is a large and loud number of people. If they didn’t have Bts, they would have found something or someone else to obsess about. Comparing boycotters to MAGA is a perfect comparison. No amount of logic can sway them.
We saw clearly when Jin came up with the idea of hugging fans how it went when management opposed the idea( quite understandably, they must have had coniptions at just the thought of the risk analysis and insurance). Jin got his way all management were able to do was to modify it slightly to make it marginally safer. This backs up what their CEO said when he replied "BTS do what they want, we are just there to facilitate it. They know what they are doing." Also many of the members covered marketing in their BA Degrees. There is another thing with the growth of the US fandom there has been the introduction of a different culture in the fandom. They are comparitively new to ARMY and have not yet fully absorbed ARMY ways. THE US is a very individualistic society. Whereas BTS have been putting each other and the group first. American ARMY find that more eastern sensibility harder to understand in a culture where individualism and more individualistic success is celebrated it generally leads to this kind of partisan attitude. The collective focus is wlhat allowed BTS to stay together for over a decade, something very few US groups manage. It allowed them to overcome insurmountable odds to in an almost miraculous way to become what they are today. I think with time US ARMY will absorb more of the history and ethos that helped create the ethos of BTS. We will get less of these attempts to artificially create partisan division.
Plus all 7 bts members are shareholders in hybe and have voting rights.
Bighit is a private company so they have freedom.
@@anitaherbert1037 love this
There is a video from boracity magazine called 'the bts solo promotions: favoritism or proper strategy?', with the same theme. It's really good and also explains the individual promotion strategies for the members. But the main point is that each member had promotions tailord to them and there idears for their albums and they made their own decisions.
There is also a video called 'Why BTS Solo Stans Need To Go' by Triple A Thoughts with lots of receipts. I was what I call a pre-ARMY back then and it really helped me understand things, how I felt and where I fit in. Enjoying my life as an ARMY now!
I think in some instances there are differences. I do believe they have a choice in some of their promotions but when Jimin asked for 2 more MV's but was refused but others did. The way the company rolls out their music needs a lot of work. With JK & Scooter I definitely think it's something he wanted to do & I love that he wants to promote himself globally. Releasing links for their music & restocking albums most definitely need to be worked on too.
Oh, I may get cancelled out here for not aligning with others and being an ARMY instead of a 'company stan.' I am not saying that 25 to 30-year-old grown-up men who have been working hard since their teenage years are being controlled or forced to do what the company says. But I do find favoritism in the promotional activities received by the members during Chapter 2.
Jimin clearly states in an interview that he wanted to have five MVs, but the company didn't allow it. Both his solo albums were not given the bare minimum of promotion others received.
And V is a very expressive person and has clearly shown signs of not being on good terms with Bang PD. I think that is why V decided to do his solo album under MHJ (and don't get me wrong, I hate that woman). Some ARMYs were saying V fell for the traps set by her. Oh, come on, do you think V is that gullible? Bang PD, due to his hatred towards that woman, also messed up with V's album. It was not restocked immediately.Also, in the documentary, the members have clearly stated that they resigned not for the company but for themselves. And at the 2022 Festa dinner, they talked about how they wanted to say a lot of things to fans but weren't able to do so.
And about JK, no, I don't think JK has done payola for "Seven." It became viral among the general public, especially pop lovers, and that is why he was able to achieve this huge success. Neither Scooter, Bang PD, MHJ, nor anyone else will be able to separate JK or any other members from each other. Tannies have been together way before we saw them as BTS, so their bond and closeness won't be affected.
Some solos are saying stupid things like how JK is forced to do a travel show with Jimin. Nope. They are best friends, so why would he be forced to do it? I am not falling for such stupid narratives about the boys. And also, I am not falling into the gang of boycotters who say that Tannies should speak up against Scooter. They don't have to. It is HYBE's responsibility.Some people here are saying that since Tannies have their own shares in HYBE, they have voting rights, etc., so they can't be mistreated. That is stupid. Their share is very negligible, and they don't have any major say in voting rights. From Chapter 2 onwards, I have seen many OT7 ARMYs becoming solos because of the difference in promotional activities received by their biases. It is true HYBE is creating more solos in the fandom.I have seen many Korean ARMYs hating HYBE. Do you think that those who have more knowledge about the language and economy can be wrong? I am not talking about those MHJ Korean stans but about K-ARMYs who dislike both HYBE and MHJ.
In the end, I only have one thing to say: STAN THE IDOLS, NOT THE COMPANY. For real, for HYBE, just like any other conglomerates, idols are mere money-making objects, Tannies included. But sadly, there are so many people who worship Bang PD like the 'father of BTS' and a very trustworthy man. That man is very shady and money-hungry.
20:32 it’s a shame that you even have to explain this at the end but trust me I understand and can relate. Thank you for your hard work!
I don't question the member's choices on what genre they want to go into, the type of personal appearances/promo they want, or what type of career they want. However, there have been several questionable issues since Chapter 2 began that fall solely under the control of the management company to address/resolve. However so many in the fandom are on either one extreme or the other and are lumping all of it together...some seem to think the guys have no control and the company all control...while others think the exact opposite. But as is most often the case, the reality would be in the middle.
YES THE MEMBERS ARE MISTREATED , CAUSE TELL ME HOW THEY JUST GAVE JIMIN ONLY 9 DAYS FOR HIS PROMOTION , HE REQUESTED THAT IF HE CAN HAVE MORE MVS FOR THE TRACKS OF FACE , HYBE COMPLETELY DENIED IT BUT GAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER MEMBERS , NOT HATING ON THE OTHER MEMBERS BUT IT IS JUST A FACT AND IF WE TALK ABOUT RECENT TIMES , GEFFEN HYBE DIDNT PROVIDE THE PRE ORDER LINKS ONE WEEK PRIOR TO SGMB RELEASE WHEN THAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR IT TO DEBUT HIGHER ALSO THEY DIDNT GIVE EU VERSION FOR IT CHART IT ON THE UK ALBUM CHARTS , THESE KINDA PROBLEMS NEVER OCCURRED WITH OTHER MEMBERS , ALSO THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FANDOM AS WELL HOW THEY TREAT JIMIN IS ACTUALLY BAD , THIS FANDOM THINKS ONLY ONE MEMBER CAN GO MAIN STREAM ONLY ONE MEMBER CAN BE CALLED THE POP BOY , WHEN JIMIN COULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN THERE IF HE GOT HUGE PLAYLISTING RADIO PLAY ADS LIKE SEVEN
Hello???? His album was announced 1 month before its release!
Screaming at us in the comments doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your reasoning.
It doesnt matter how rational your explanations are or how the fact that the members have said so many things themselves the solo stans will continue to victimize their favorite member. They will continue to blame ARMY and BigHit, instead of looking at the bigger picture of how the industry still will not give BTS or other Korean artists their proper dues.
Jesus people how many times how many ways does the members have to tell us that they decide what they do! They decide what promotions they do they decide what they do with their time no one else had a concert because they didn't want to or no one else had the time. please stop the company hating because this is the company that bts chooses over and over and over again! BTS I have never been someone who is Brand loyal but you all got me always defending bighit! Stop with the nonsense! 💜 To the Creator thank you for another amazing video! 💜
I agree. People act like they are children. It’s very disrespectful.
Idk how to answee agaiin bcos member told us already what and where the promotion will be they plan everything so ARMY will not boring and their promotion mostly never be done by other idol so they always brand new for everything
I can agree to every thing said in this but I just can't get over jimin's sad and shabby fan meet ....I feel heartache every time I watch his fan meet and compare it to Joon's fan meet Suga's movie night with army and vicnick...it was seriously screwed up ..and no one can justify that
@@chimchimindiandragonну это его проблемы.
@@chimchimindiandragon think about this- what if that’s what he wanted? What if he chose a small intimate meeting with few ARMY? What if he didn’t want a lot of hoopla? He might not have wanted a big screen with visuals etc. I can see him wanting those few ARMY to feel cherished in an intimate event. Many people would rather have a small wedding with close friends/family than a big blowout with hundreds of people and you really see few of them. Could you think about this as a personal choice that shows each of their personalities? I am OT7 but Jimin’s fan meet looked fantastic and so -him. All the events were excellent but in my opinion Jimin’s was the most simply beautiful. Not less in any way but a personal choice of his to connect in the way he values. That is just how I think it appears. I don’t think he is a victim I think he made a conscious choice based on his values and desires. Can you see what I mean?
I am so happy that people are talking about how complaining about BTS "get treated" is not only short sighted for how business works (they want to make money and BTS makes tons of money) but also insulting to the members themselves. We can't go around bragging how smart, amazing, and capable these men are and then expect them not to be able to handle their own business. The facts are BTS has renewed the contract twice. That is two times they could have left BH if they were not satisfied. We all know other companies are giving them offers left and right. They have told us to trust them so that is what I will do.
Plus rm has stated that bts members own personal legal team negotiations their contract
Plus bts members have business degrees
All 7 bts members are shareholders in hybe and have voting rights
This was what Jin talked about
He came back and hugged 1000 Army. Some weirdos would come out and say, why didn't other members hug their fans and then claim they didn't like their fans.
Bts are 7 different people with different characters and personality, so they can't be all the same.
Suga had a tour
Jin was featured in Coldplay concerct
Jhope headlined lollapalooza 2022
Rm had a mini concert with 200 fans because that's what he wanted as he wanted to be reminded of what it felt like in their early days
V went to running man and did jimmy Kitchen
Jimin and jungkook went to the usa talk shows.
PS: pls correct me if I am wrong
So can people just leave them alone as they decide what they want to do.
let us not create a negative air within their dynamics , BTS and Hybe has its own brain to make a wise decision .stop uttering intriguing words, this is so toxic .seems using such words you intent to put doubt within us ARMY. We love them all. And lets be realistic that this is a business and everything and everyone must come together as a whole to bring you a performance ,an album and a song.
Money and Talent are all essential to produce a BTS song.
I do agree that the members each chose how to approach their solo careers and appreciate the diversity of their artistry. I think you are being too kind when saying mistakes were made, these are huge companies that have been in the game for a long time and know how the system works. It seems non English songs will not get the same promotion. Maybe bc the new agenda is to remove the K from Kpop?
I'm seeing a lot of the comments focusing on assuring everyone how much autonomy the boys have. I agree with those sentiments. But as usual, the army fandom are being intentionally and stubbornly blind to the core issue. We are talking about the roles of the members vs the roles of the company. The favoritism is on the side of the company in performing those roles. This isn't a knock against the members. They aren't responsible for putting out social media announcements, or posting pre-order or pre-save links. They're not responsible for getting RIAA certifications or distributing their own music and restocking albums. They can decide who does these things for them but they don't do it themselves. They have people they rely on for advice; experts if you will.
They have entrusted certain parts of their careers to people who are supposed to advance them. Whoever is responsible for doing these things, that's where the favoritism is and that's what we're angry about. If i ask whether an artist would make a decision NOT to provide pre-save links to their music or pre-order links or NOT to restock albums, would i be wrong? How far can an artist go and at what point should the responsibly rely solely on the label/company?
Why are the fans so afraid to ask who in the company is messing up instead of seeing it as us thinking badly about the boys' decisions? These are two separate things. One member could have an all English album or a Korean EP and another could decide to have a global solo tour and that's within their rights and capacities but why can't the company give the member with the EP, the US hopeful and the one doing a solo tour their best fairly and equally?
Finally a sane person in the comments section 😊.
Exactly. Another example, Jimin said in an Japanese interview, he wanted music videos for each of his Face album's songs (4 not including Letter) and he only got 2. If the company said because there is a budget, why is the budget more than other member. I would think making a music videos in the United States and having US dancers and production team is more expensive than doing it in South Korea.
@@nazvel7971 they keep saying because he has 2 albums I don't know what they'll say when the others also release another one? Others say his mvs were expensive and still contradict themselves that he didn't bring much moneycoz he was using company pds and dancers,, which means they were cheaper than outsiders,, so which is which??
Thank you for such a relaxed, clear and balanced insight.
this has been going on since the second memeber did promotions and fans tend to forget how the members are personaly. and J-hope even said in his new docu series that he wanted things he could not get they all want more than hybe is able to provide. big hit have to devide the expenses into 7 before it was only 1 promotion so they could do alot more. imagine the cost of one mv.. and then each memeber got 2-3 mv while BTS got 1 or maybe two total mv´s per album. the expenses is way more than before.
if they need to devide it to 7 for each member to do promotion for their own album, why the other member got more promotion than the others? dont say it is not.
Bts members have stated before they make all decisions about their solo
@@ctc1118 if you and you siblings got $100 . you bought 5 outfits with that . one of your sibling bought 3 the other maybe 1 ...its because the expense of each outfit is different... same concept.
@@ctc1118 Members said times and times again that they do thir promotions in a way THEY want. People just need to listen. Watch interviewees, lives, documents and actually listen to them and not making shit up.
@@den28mom-ue2jg This is so true. V filmed all his vids with one team on one trip in one place. I'm sure that saved a lot of money. Hobi's arson vid what super high budget but his other vids were a lot more lowkey. I didn't think about how they had to front the money for all the solo stuff with basically the money the group made. Of course they are getting a return of the investment but this is after some time. Thinking about it also makes me think it is likely the members have a separate group and solo contract like most older groups.
I don't think hybe has favorites but geffen and scooter definitely has a favourite, its evident with the way they handled album distribution during face and layover era and they are doing the same thing with muse. Its frustrating to see the same thing happen again because the boys have no control over things like distribution. Its like intentional sabotage. If you can't even do your job right what are you doing? Geffen was hired for distribution in the US and they can't even do that right. No pre order links, albums being sold out during pre order time( how does that even happen) and albums not shipped on time, these all greatly affect the numbers on the us chart. (I'm not talking about the promotion aspect as it was done according to the members wishes I'm talking about album distribution in the us which was done poorly by Geffen)
What did hybe do to this problem?
Scooter is there to fatten his wallet. JK did that for them both. Also, JK is very ambitious, too just like Scooter. Take a good look into what he did for TS, B,JB, DL and others.
You did not pay attention do you?
Scooter Braun recently retired from artist marketing.
He wants more time to be a father and second a director of HYBE America.
In fact he was in charge of JK's promotion not Big Hit. The other members left their promotion pretty much to BH. Maybe V did let MHJ be in charge of promtion ideas.
This is a difference in how it is handled and who is in charge.
Because JK's album was an English Pop album - you can argue that no other member even had a Pop album - promoting in the primary English speaking market with the expert on the market was a good idea - but it was not what the other members wanted.
Not sure what geffen is doing...That might need a different explanation than what the overall promo is like that Bighit organizes but not sure if Scooter is involved in Geffen at all.
@@mariastewart754 Jk is the only one that can sing live beside jin. that is why he was heavily promoted in the us where you have to sing live.
I strongly feel that Ron Perry only put forth effort to promote Dynamite, was because it was a simple poppy track and knew it had the best appeal for audiences. In the US, radio hosts are taught to play to the lowest common denominator, meaning their dumbest audience. A song with a catcy beat and gibberish lyrics fits that category. Butter on the other hand, he promoted that because as a writer on the song it helped feed his pocket book even more. None of it was for BTS' best interests. If their US distributor really cared about BTS and their music they would have promoted Map of the Soul 7 and Black Swan and ON for radio play.
I don't think you understand what's going on here. BTS is loved world wide, but in the US industry foreign acts don't get as much airplay. There is still racism and xenaphobia in the US industry. Stars like Taylor Swift are promoted. The songs that would get airplay were promoted. In the US market you have to be more strategic. Is it fair? No, but it's the dirty reality.
I don’t know what state you’re in ( in America), however I lived in 3 and radio stations never play to the “dumbest audience “. Make it make sense. 🤔They need to know their audience each location varies. Talking about people talking down to a audience 🫣
@harrietcaldwell9228 It's a common communications things, and there are plenty of top 40ish stations that do just that.
I said it many times before and I said it again. Trust the guys. They did what they wanted to do and how they wanted it.
One of them when talking about the solo projects was surprised when they were told they could pretty much do whatever they wanted to do and that he said ok let's see and then gave them a list of what he wanted to do and pretty much got what he wanted. RM with Indigo did the concert he wanted at Rolling Hall. Something that was on his bucket list but he and BTS flew past it. He was able to fulfill that. Maybe the problem is that Kpop groups were not supposed to last this long. But this seems to be BTS' goal now to be able to do group and solo projects and longevity. I guess that is just beyond some people's thinking. And obviously even before they did have some say as to what they were doing. V answered the question about getting songs from outside. He said that it just wasn't working with the songs he was writing and someone suggested he look for songs by others, It was right. He was able to pull the songs that fit what he probably had in mind but wasn't able to be satisfied with his own songs. Thanks as always for your insights. And bottom line the US industry is it's own mess. That BTS has been able to do what they do is really beyond that industry too.
Too many people feel free to disrespect BTS and their intelligence as grown men while claiming to be fans. They don't try to find out if the members have spoken about a subject or listen to the members when they speak. They purposely ignore the fans that did listen and try to tell them what was said. Instead they listen to internet bots and social media sites making money off negativity against BTS with incorrect information. The victim mentality is overdone and minimizes real instances when wrong is done. Members don't need to do everything Army thinks they should. Especially when most of us are teens no work experience or adults with zero business experience, but feel like we should control what they do. Scooter is not responsible for the decisions BTS makes or everything bad that happens.There are other employees of Hybe who make these mistakes but people act like Hybe's only employee is Scooter.
Listen!, I understand having a favourite in a group setting, that's just something that happens and trying to not understand will just result in you causing yourself a headache. However what I strongly hate is the blatant disrespect towards the other members. I've seen disgusting things, members labeled as rats, frogs, pigs and having melting noses. People have even went as far as saying a specific member is motherless and as far as I'm concerned BTS members all have parents that are still alive so this is really so disturbing that people are willing to go that far. Why is it so hard to love someone without feeling the need to insult others, I genuinely can't comprehend what's do difficult about that.....
These people are where they are today because of all their contributing factors, each and every one was necessary for the formula to work! If you can't accept that then it's not my job to convince you!
I understand them having different promotional activities for their different music styles. Even before chapter 2 started I expected it to be this way. It's normal.
But I don't think Jimin said:
"please don't provide for a pre-order link for my song until fans beg for it."
"please don't make a uk version to count on charts while doing it for other releases"
"please despite having the same accomplishment don't celebrate mine, just celebrate other members"
"please don't apply for riaa certificate until another members gets theirs immediately." etc etc.
My point is yes they have a lot of control over their career compared to most idols. Yes they are grown man. I'm aware. But company also has A LOT OF control over how much weight they want to put on media when it comes to promoting members. And they CHOOSE not to do the things they are perfectly capable of for certain members. It's clear as day. I don't know what to say to the fans who don't see this.
90% percent of solos are genuienly f*cked up and want drama. I'm also aware of this. I have zero intention of putting members against each other or to compare or rank them in some way. I stan and respect these men for too long to do that. But for the life me y'all are playing three monkeys at this point. Disagreeing with solos shouldn't be more important than acknowledging facts. And the facts here is the company you are desperately defending arent't trying to protect Bts's unity or supporting their careers equally. They have their own agendas to fill their pockets more and any white man promising that is a welcome addition currently. Company moves in a way that is INVITING more solos. More VILE solos. And you are supporting it. Blindly. It's gonna be too late when y'all realise your mistakes. Please be open to different opinions. We are not sheeps.
Thank you to whoever read this long ass rant. While agreeing or disagreeing.
I have been saying the same thing. I've been a solid fan since 2016 and i don't know why people who claim to know them and love them are using that as an excuse to how those companies are fxxcking up? We all know the boys are different and distinct in their music styles and target audiences but that has nothing to do with why the company isn't at the very least distributing and marketing that very good and unique music equally? The problem is that the fans are too afraid of the truth. And the truth is that the company is favoring certain members for reasons we don't know. That fear of dissent is making fans ignore the disparity. It isn't about what the boys want to do, it's about how the company is executing it.
@@navy6562 Yes. Their answer is always "they have control over their career." while ignoring the company having SO MUCH control over their career too. Things I mentioned was seen and acknowledged by the fandom for sure until they realise the problems didn't apply to all the members. Then it turns into something only solos talk about and army prefer to cut an arm off instead of being in the same page with a solo. Especially if they're an army with considerable amount of followers in some platform. They turn into politicians almost. It's frustrating.
OMG This is the best reply I've read. THANK YOU! I don't udnerstand how people keep ignoring this!
Words of truth as she knows it. So open and honest. ARMY is such a big and self-guided entity, that there will always be individuals that feel that one or more of their favorites are being slighted. But give the 7 brilliant and still very kind young men some credit to know what they want and to have the balls to request what they want. We know them but we will never know 100% of their thoughts. Let's continue to trust BTS. Let's continue to stream, buy their music and support them to do what they love. BTS and ARMY forever together.
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Thank you again! As to radio play: I travel a lot mostly USA, UK, Europe, and I hear BTS all over: taxis, elevators, supermarkets, and once blasting from loudspeakers in a piazza in Rome. Staying put so far this year so maybe that’s changed.
I don't get why some people think all the members want the same kind of success and exposure. They are different people, with different strengths and weaknesses, they make different kinds of music which are not comparable. F.ex V is a person, who loves to do fun stuff in a small intimate outings and tight groups. He even did the 30 seconds live concerts in a small club for random people for around 1000won/per ticket! He speaks rather good Japanese and has a huge fanbase in Japan, he is very familiar with Japan, which makes it very comfortable for him. And I think J-hope made majority of his promotion in America because he have lots of hiphop and rap connections and audience there ( more that I guess he has in Africa or Asia). It really is what they want and what they see fit for them at the time.
Thank you for this. 🙌
Common sense, its an English album so where is the place it will be perform and it will sell more of course in the USA...
I completely agree with you, BTS are not children even not teenagers they are man 30 or more years, them know what they are and what they wants, they also extremely talented and smart, all off them want fine individuals of them self out of BTS and that what them did, them make all decisions together all separate for themselves but them considering any good decisions they’re company suggestions, them smart, talented and good what them do, also them in the Business long time to learn how to business work change and give them profits. And them love and precious Army’s for support and fight for them.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Different promos for different members are okay. What's NOT okay is blindly trusting the company. Do you think Jimin asked to:
- not celebrate his accomplishments
- not apply for RIAA certificate until after another member got theirs
- don't provide a preorder link to his new song and album (fans were begging, other members had it)
- include a random photo in the uk version of MUSE so the sales don't count towards the charts
- cropped him out of bts group photo (Scooter did that)
- downplaying his success in interviews
- no radio play etc (DJs were playing LC music video is clubs bc they couldn't use the song)
I've read over the comments. Yes, the members have control over their solo careers but the company has a lot of power too. This is business and we don't know the specifics but saying that the members choose every aspect of their solo career and promos is nonsense. Admitting that the company treats certain members better is just the cold, hard truth. And it's not just about money. A post on the official bts twitter, instagram, youtube channel etc does not cost anything and the company still failed to post about JM's new song, while they were posting about JK's song and V's photobook. It's not the first time either...
Chapter 2 made it very clear that army as a fandom is basically non existent atp. Fans are at war with eachother, calling members disgusting names, ignoring or sabotaging certain members, bullying other member's fans etc. We knew that with solo era solo fans gonna come, it is what it is. But still trying to sell bts, army and bighit as a big loving family while actively encouraging solo fans and turning a blind eye to disgusting behaviour is not okay.
I pre ordered mine. Not sure what your problem is.. Jimin's a grown man and like the others can manage his own music etc as he see's fit. Not sure why you're being so disrespectful. He and the others have said time and again that they basically do what they want as far as their music & careers.
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@@crystaldragon8211 I wrote down clearly what my problem is. Which part is not clear to you? Yes, Jimin is a grown man but it is NOT his job to manage every aspects of his career. Do you think the other members personally put out company announcements, get their RIAA certificates, stock albums etc? That's literally the company's job. Also, it's the company's responsibility to help and offer advice because the artists CAN'T and DON'T have to know everything that goes into a promo, sales, rules etc. The guys are artists and performers, not lawyers, business men, managers, promoters, business strategists etc.
Do you think Jimin cropped himself out of an ot7 BTS pic and told Scooter to use that one? If someone is disrespectful in this conversation, it's you, who think JM would half ass and try to devalue his own career. He did what IS his job, he wrote, produced and sang his songs. If you think that every decision is 100% in his hands then why didn't he get 2 more MVs for FACE like he asked? Spoiler alert... bc the company said no.
Where is that photo uploaded? Is it on Scooter's insta . It is my first time knowing it.
I really like your insights. thank you for being an army yourself but very logical, accurate and educative.
It's a myth that company supports all , when company move only for one member when it comes to support like from radio, to different versions and discount,preorder and what not but other member getting nothing even after so many requests, even the main Geffen admin openly shading and mocking one member, and some will come say ohh members descide for themselves, when one member openly said that he wanted more mv but denied, even blackpink members get's better treatment, take recent example of jimin he got no help his fans r promoting him everywhere imagine that man gave his precious years to that company and they treating him like he don't exist, fuck that company actually.
Thank you for this excellent video and your hard work. 💜
There is no sugar coating or hiding the fact that Jimin should have pre-order links and EU qualifying version. All of which were provided easily for others. No links of his teaser on BangtanTV. No promo on Geffen. You cannot say trust BTS. This has nothing to do with BTS. They do not have to fight for each promo step or pursue corrections-not their job! It is ridiculous that a Hybe/BH who is not a small or starving company behaving this way. Stop protecting them and denying what is now in our faces. They have become another corrupt big company that plays games behind the scenes.
Glad someone is seeing what's really happening. All that BS she spouted means nothing to me. There is unfairness in that company. It's not a coincidence that they always have a problem when it comes to Jimin's projects. Maybe I'm crazy but I don't think so.
Thanks for the video. I always appreciate your thoughts.
The reason BTS is so successful is because these men are gifted, as writers, producers, entertainers, businessmen, humans, but mostly they are one team OT7, BTS. We do not need to worry. They are long suffering, however, they are smart and learned, through the limitations the former Big 3 casted upon them. They triumphed and "we" are ARMY because we recognize all these things, love, support, and respect them, as BTS and as BTS Solo Artists. Always we are one universe. Be supportive and just trust, as they all have asked of us. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Here are the current issues Jimin is facing with his second album:
1. His album is being released with content that makes it ineligible for UK charts.
2. His title track, "WHO," doesn't have an iTunes pre-order.
3. His CD single costs five times more to ship than the CD itself.
None of the other artists under the label faced these issues when they released their albums.
Thank you for this. The members are all businessmen. I am waiting for Tae to be asked to do an opera solo with a concert orchestra, and for BTS to do a song in Spanish, and also a song with artistic sign language, which they have already incorporated. I would like to see JK do some rap - he is good at it and so is Tae. As far as writing their own music - I like it better but even RM allowed others to help write and produce - it relieved him from a lot of stress, of course, he had the last say and approved what they gave to him. The only thing JK said at the beginning was it was scary to go without RM's leadership but it was understood that this was essential for them to do it all by themselves to grow artistically and Suga made a way for them to promote their stuff on Suchwita and even wrote a song for all the idols.
I agree with you and I'm not sure if I missed it but what about Jimin's mv for each song for FACE? He even said they told him no and he felt the need to apologize.
I am yet to find a good answer to this question. Why was Jimin's request refused??
Most likely a budgeting thing. Jimin had 2 music videos, but they were highly produced with sets and extras/ dancers in costumes and make up. V and RM had more music videos, but they were done in simpler ways.
@@jessicapierce3027 YES!.I remember when Tae's videos were coming out and everyone was saying now they understood why he got 5. Other than some CGI in 2 of them they were very simple. Jimins were elaborate and expensive. No matter how much money the company has, there are limits and budgets to follow.
@@ktekcuhh... What about JK , I don't think 3D & Standing Next to you is cheap at all.
Especially standing Next to you has a lot of expensive cars & back up dancers.
Even if SNTY is as expensive as SMF2. Like Crazy should be as expensive as 3D & Seven. But Jk also has other 2 MV.
We also didn't know at the time of the 1st album releases for the maknae line, that Jimin had a 2nd album in the works, so maybe that's why he could only do 2 elaborate MVs for Face? Just guessing, but maybe they had to budget differently with 2 albums in the works...🤷
@@rafaelsmith5737 true...but remember that JK put out one album and Jimin 2 plus the vacation docu series...let's be fair.
One thing that I learned about BTS from the beginning, was that, they are not competing with each other in their group. So for me is understandable that they are not competing on their solo projects.
They all are genuinely happy, and proud when a member of BTS win a solo award, they was so happy to see JK solo performance on stage in Qatar, they supported Jimin on his promotion of Face album, both JHope and Suga were on stage and congratulated and supported him. They let JHope to receive BTS award at the end of 2022, even if there were six of them available.
Why Armys, or some of them, want the members of BTS to compete? Why they are not understanding, that any solo project, any solo award and achievement, the members are perceiving as their all seven achievement? Suga was so happy and proud both with Jimin and JK for their Billboard no.1, and for sure all members celebrated that.
What it is wrong with some of their fans? They think that they are smarter, and know better than the artist they ar following?
Wake up solo stans, you have so many complaints, you are making so many scenarios, and attacks on the other members, Bang Pd, Big Hit and HYBE, that in the end you are perceived as you actually are bullying your favorite idol.
Your favorite one has his own brain to know what is better for him, has his own mouth to speak loud about what he wants, he has his own eyes and hands to see what it is around him, and to change what it is, as he wants and needs.
Don't make your preferred idol to look like he is persecuted by the label, because that it isn't make him to look good, even if you want the best for him.
Do people know how powerful BTS are? They are also shareholders of HYBE included in the top 10 richest/powerful shareholders in Korea.
Salivating over bare chested pictures of BTS, but once JK sings about fucing its "dirty and adult". Some idiot actually told JK that in a Wlive...
Some are literally having meltdowns about Jimin and Jung Kook's travel show.
Continued denial of Jimin and Jung Kook's choice to enter the companionship military service together claming that the company "forced" usually JK.
JK does what JK wants to do.
All the members have signed their 3rd contract which is really rare in Kpop. They have more autonomy and authority over their job and personal lives.
Personally I believe that alot of non ARMYs may be causing some tensions. Remember the hashtag BTS Disband before news of the contract renewal?
ARMYS can continue to support BTS and each other while taking a stand if the group or members receive hatred or boycotts.
Some "fans" really think that the BTS members are children who have no control over their careers and lives. It's infantilizing and pretty gross.
12:40 oh I love you. And this was amazing. Thank you so much for making this. Honestly, all this discussion is also unnecessary. Just listen and trust bts. They will do what they want to do when they want to do it. As a fan, its only our job to receive their work, and if we like it, go support and share it. Maybe share some reviews. If you don't like it, fine, that's OK too. You don't need to bash the artist for that. Go find music you do enjoy. Simple. Don't overcomplicate things
Do not underplay what the companies are doing wrong!!! Regardless of how the members structure their releases or what they release, they should be promoted fairly and their music should be distributed and "pushed" fairly too. Your take makes me think, on a spectrum, that JK is ok with taking unfair 'payola' advantages to get recognition while Jimin is ok with not having his fans whom he loves be able to, at the very least, access, buy, enjoy his music and support him in a timely and beneficial manner. The members may have their own paths, but at the end of the day no matter what any one of them decide to do, the companies should spare not efforts to equally and fairly support them.
They're failing or simply refusing to do this. They're saying something with what they're doing; they're saying "this is who we value and this who we want to be bigger than the rest". You can't tell me that what they're doing with JK isn't a Harry Styles after One Direction strategy. You're into marketing, think of it from that angle and it makes sense. K-pop bands aren't a forever thing and they never come back from military service with the same trajectory to stardom they had before. Someone up there is strategizing and if you don't see it, then you simply don't want to.
But trying to reason out the disparity in promotions and support, without holding their companies responsible and continuously excusing them under the guise of the members' individual preferences isn't going to solve anything long term.
그러는 당신 스메랄드가든 메칭밴드 뮤비 열심히 보고 있는가? 음원은 열심히 스트리밍 하고 있는가?
@@user-yp3kw6zc8x Yes. But i wonder what that has to do with anything right now.
V's slbum was produced by MHJ. All the videos were dhot same location. It is not as high budget as the others or bighit style. V was very efficient because he wanted videos for all his songs
If I want to get my thoughts, emotions, hopes, and dreams out in the form of a book or song, what do I need to do?. Quite a few people, me as one, find it difficult to put my thoughts and emotions into a coherent and interesting form on paper. There are plenty of songs, books, and poems that bring forth what I cannot do. That is a talent so I will go to those who have that talent and get the help. That is why singers do not need to write their own songs. They just need to bring that emotion out when they sing it. Make it their own and give credit where it is due. I do not think singers need to make the meal, they just need to present it well and make it an enjoyable experience.
I am convinced that BTS members make their own decisions with regards to the direction of their artistry. I don't know who's in charge of what these days but my biggest gripe would really be about how problems are handled and how slowly issues are resolved. Who is in charge of pre-order links? Does Hybe/BigHit not have ANY power to resolve this? Who's in charge of distribution during Jimin's and Tae's releases? There have been so many issues about V's profile linking to the wrong artist in Spotify. Once may be an error, 3, 4, 5 times is a pattern. Who's in charge of fixing this? Is this simply the responsibility of Tae's fans? Also (this might be a different topic altogether), why was there no official ARMY statement about the JK boycott? Groups identifying themselves as Army are also calling to boycott a member for political agendas? Why couldn't we make a statement that the opinions of these individuals do not reflect the opinions of ARMY in general?
Very clear and concise. Great video. 👍
The way people have centered Scooter is so, so frustrating in these discussions. They're giving that man way more power and attention than he deserves. I hate him and think he's vile like the majority, however, I'm not going to follow his every move, give him credit for things he never did, and think he's anything beyond a CEO of a subsidiary.
Yes there is. Company clearly don't give a f and does bare minimum for most of the members. I mean in Grammy application they put "Indigo" and "Layover" in one category, POP album. Literally , wtf. Yes, members can chose different promotions styles, but it does not justify negligence of the company. They forgot about Friends streaming party, next time they forgot to change links to buy "Neuron" in SH. HYBE america works for just one member. Can anyone explain discrepancy in playlisting, number of posts on official accounts etc. Members decide how many MV they want to shoot, how many interviews to give, how many shows to attend. But it is BH's job to run around and shake some hands to make sure members get to every possible playlist, market, radio station and so on. But they don't, some members debut in TTH playlist, some don't make it to "This is BTS".
I don’t think they would stay in a company that is intentionally destroying their careers. I trust them in their decisions. What I don’t like is how ARMY changed. ARMY doesn’t support all 7 members equally anymore. Gp/solos are not the reason for the gaps in streams and sales between the vocal and rapline. The rapline doesn’t get the same support from self proclaimed ARMY as the vocal line. Which hurts bc ARMY support is the only thing the members have always had and been able to count on in order to be able to be free to make whatever music they want to make. More and more ARMY is losing its identity, it has become infested with solos, K-pop multis, visual stans, and idk what to do to fix it. Idk how it became this bad. But it breaks my heart. The rapline is the pillar of BTS, but they get the least amount of support from “ARMY”
Great analysis. This was very informative. Thank you! By the way, I love your hat-super cute! 💜🫶💜
I love hearing you talk about bts and each of the members because I hear, I feel and I share the passion that drives you and that makes me vibrate.
Thank you for this.
Members decide what route they want to take... They are much more powerful than a few ARMYs think they are... It's been like that for a few years now. Nobody can boss these boys around other than Namjoon 😛😉... 💜
All 7 bts members are shareholders in hybe and have voting rights.
Bighit is a private company so bts members make their own decisions. Unless it is a safety issue
Thank you great analysis again. Hope a lot of people can listen to your channel so a lot of Army's will be enlightened especially the solo stans. Can we just be happy of their success. They know what they want, their choice. Please stop comparing them from each other they are BTS. Support them
No matter what.
Even I have a favorite but I support them as BTS.
Como se ha dicho, hay que confiar en ellos, hasta ahora no les ha ido tan mal. Algunos proyectos individuales están alejados del estilo de BTS por eso la promoción es distinta. Han demostrado que de marketing saben mucho (la promoción de las pop stores de monochrome me pareció una idea brillante).
Thank you so much for this video. This clarified a lot of my own questions and concerns with facts and insight. Your explanation regarding JKs and RMs solos has broadened my perspective on their respective choices. I still wonder about Jimin though as "things" seem to almost always happen to/involve him. This is especially true in my opinion in regards to the drop on the Billboards and stream counts (which you explained in another video how it happened and insight as to why)and now with the link issues.
Love your channel and having a well-researched resource of kpop and of course BTS.
Nah, it has happened to all of them. Chapter 2 has been filled with hashtags and trends about issues regarding their releases. Just a few days ago there was an issue with Target pre-orders of D-Day Vinyl getting cancelled. But it has not been smooth sailing for any member, on the other hand there has also been a lot of unnecessary drama for each member too.
You have to consider the circumstances - none of the members planned on doing solo activities before enlisting. They were supposed to do the MOTS tour and enlist. But it got cancelled because of the pandemic, so they had to quickly make new plans. Some albums got delayed, some plans changed over time. BigHit used to manage 2 releases - BTS and TXT, now they are managing 8 - each of the BTS members and TXT. It was never smooth sailing with BTS either, but there have been a lot more issues during the solo releases. Them being burdened with MHJ and dealing with a planned attack on BTS isn't helping matters either.
That doesn't mean we can't ask the BigHit, HYBE or the other companies to do better. It doesn't mean giving Ray Kurzeka a pass for insulting Jimin or that the distrust this creates regarding Geffen Records is unreasonable.
But we should at least consider the members choices and be careful with our words. We don't want to inadvertently insult a member or add to their burdens. j-hope felt bad over his decision of not releasing a physical CD, Jin had to apologize and defend the staff on the first day of being discharged - because people unthinkingly attacked and complained. Things like these aren't right.
Nice analysis. Thank you
But what about Jimin?? He wanted to do each MV for every song of Face Album, but the company denied the proposal ??
ARMY trust BTS!!! 100% spot on! You're explaination is clear and thank you! 💜 😊 💜
at the end of the day, all BTS members have each sold more than a million copies of their solo efforts. that's more than what other supposedly famous kpop groups have sold in their entire careers. each BTS member is a superstar in his own right.
Thank you for this. You are a content creator with a substance and intelligence and its a delight to listen and watch your contents. Im learning a lot of things about BTS because of you and big thank you for that. As what Jimin said… you nice keep going👍
Respect and belief. That is the best any friend can give to show how much you love your friend . Armys and BTS are friends. So that said I wish all can learn a lesson or two as we continue the journey together. Thank you for another episode. Well said and with respect.
OMG! Finally someone is telling the Truth! They make their own decisions not BIGHIT! There is Army out here blaming every little thing on the company! Which it is the boys decision & their choices!!! Jimin is being dragged now too… Thank you.
Boracity also has a video on it a while ago.
So its jimin’s decision NOT to do more MVs even he asked for it and the company denied? Its his decision not to restock his CDS? Yall just defending that bs company. Jimin shuldve stopped those who send trucks infront of hybe complaining for the mistreatment if its not true. Jimin loves his fans, his army. He also knows whats up. Fans can see the difference.
Agree
@rubrikcrousbofill2588 it's the industry and I get tired of so called fans acting as of they know what goes on based on youtuber gossip or Twitter. W3 don't know. Do you work there? They are grown men and powerful in the industry but ANY artist have to not only work with their company but distributors, promoters etc. It's not just the artist vs. The company. It takes a team of people to do promotions and etc.
@@rubrikcrousbofill2588Es muy ingenuo pensar que nada fue a propósito, es fácil ver que la empresa no está muy interesada en que los miembros tengan demasiado exito, solo recuerdo que una semana después de que cambiaron las reglas en Billboard para que Jimin no se mantuviera en primer lugar, Bang PD estaba dando una entrevista de lo más tranquilo a Billboard incluso agradeciendo la oportunidad; ARMY exige que reciban el mismo apoyo, especialmente en lo que a promoción respecta, los recursos de promoción no dependen del artista si no de la empresa, y el manejo en la producción de Álbumes no creo que los artistas decidan el no volver a facilitar stock.
Thank you for this video - you are very wise!
Standard Disclaimer: This is IMO information. I ask it to be treated as such. :)
Why do people think these things? I mean lets look at RM, he just does not have the same numbers. His music does not appeal to the massive audiences of say, jk. We cannot pretend otherwise. The world isn't fair and the boys will not be the same as each other in numbers. Period.
How about we average the numbers instead if we demand they must all be the same? This is BTS, each of the members are a cog in the wheel.
I'm American, why do I feel like this "each child should be treated equally" thing is an American thing? Do they do this in other countries? It's literally the dumbest thing I can think of. Everyone has their strengths, everyone has their weaknesses. We need to help and support them to excel at what they would like to do not what we want them to do. Why does this stupid idea get spread into adulthood?
The boys gotta be aware their audience while following the money. Balancing act. The boys make most of the decisions with input with the label.
[On Social Media, a Rant]
Under 18 control a huge portion of social media. We have to be aware that the people making the greatest amount of noise are teenagers etc that know nothing other than to parrot what everyone says. (its easy for an adult to "inject" these ideas into gullible audiences) the far larger group of adults as fans just don't have the time to play the same sorts of games. Lives, kids, jobs, friends and family. There just isn't the time to play games. And also being mature requires being reasonable and using logic. So we get a lot of garbage claiming to be public sentiment.
[The empty can rattles the most]
(thank you metallica lol)
I think as adults we all need to look at what social media is telling us. These things are manipulated from the very top onto a viral audience. An audience that is uneducated and have all the time in the world to play games and generate cliques. All while avoiding actual reality. As an adult we see this and think "oh this must be public sentiment". It's not. It's highschool sentiment.
The internet has given minors this massive stage they never had before. They have no clue what they are doing but they are controlling a good portion of what we see. It's sad but there is no cure for this other than keep educated as adults about the power of social media and who is controlling what you see.
Good points very well made. I find it funny that people scream about treating them all the same when the numbers show even within army people support some projects over others. I actually think this is a good thing. You should support the music and content you like most regardless of who made it. There are songs that I don't love and so I listen and stream the ones I do.
I am happy that with time the members learned that social media sentiment does not always equal army sentiment. I think it is a huge reason why we saw them step away from using twitter. As an adult when I look in the comments of BTS content it skews very juvenile and clique-ish with everyone commenting the same stuff (if I see another *** rocked *** shocked I will lose it). If you notice they barely comment on what is happening in the thing they just watched. It is sad because I go there thinking it would be fun to hear what others think of the content but get repetitive nonsense and people wonder why they think we're bots.
I know. I keep thinking back to the philosophical discourses happening in the Blood, Sweat & Tears comment sections & wonder what happened. I love & miss that intellectual analysis of the songs/videos. That's why Fairlane is one of the few reactors I follow. She (and her followers) always seem to bring reason & insight to the conversation & I love that!
@@pz4971 right? Same. This small community means a lot to me. Everyone here has an open mind and so far no one has tried to ruin the harmony. I hope we continue to strive to do our best to support her and shun any negativity.
@@itsjustjess1 yup. They are given an idea and since they only parrot eachother this idea becomes viral and is "news". It makes me sad.
Thank you for the responses. Rarely do people read and comment on my "essays" haha.
As BTS fans, I'm sad that within ARMYs we are divided... can't we just act as one... I'm sick of hearing that there's favoritism within BTS😔😔 We as fans should support each of them whatever projects each member is doing...💜
Thank you for your wonderful insight. It is so on point BTS are seven and they do not do anything they do not want to do and the fandom needs to understand that and stop nitpicking. Every little thing. BTS always said listen to them and not anyone else they’ve never lied to us they’ve never will.
I think it's weird Jimin's prerelease Set Me Free Pt2 was followed just 7 days later by Suga's song so distracted from / diverted ascent of SmFpt2. Then V was lucky to get all those mv's but why were they all released close to each other? Then here we are again Jimin's prerelease SGMB will be followed very closely by a V release, and did I read of a BTS release that seemed will be possibly right after Jimin Muse release on 7/19?
I think Jimin's album and Suga's album being released so close to each other was just a coincidence. I mean Suga's tour was planned so his album had to come out before the tour started so the date couldn't be changed. V is releasing a photobook so it's not like he's releasing music so close to Jimin's Muse album release. And the only thing coming out related to BTS is Jimin and JK's travel show in August. And of course Jin's album at some point.
@@crystalsnow1138 no the albums actually weren't released super close to each other. What I'm saying is the incredible set me free pt 2 didn't have a chance to climb up Billboard after debuting at around 50, because fan attention was immediately diverted to the release of a song by Suga the following Thursday/ Friday KST. V's songs were all great but because about 4 were released in such a short time frame not one individually had a chance to ascend Billboard bc fan attention was spread throughout all four.
Best explanation video I have seen because I am honestly tired of all the finger pointing and solo stans. Some forget that these are men either in their 30s or late 20's. They are not some 14 year olds being controlled...C'mon. I also think they trust Hybe because in a way, they are Hybe.
Thank you once again for a very good and detailed video.
You should check out Boracity because she goes into more details on each solo albums.
V's album is not in all English....but has a lot of English.
I don't agree with you at all sorry you sound like you also gets paid by company, you just defending their behaviour that's weird of you, you just proving that whatever jimin went through during his album day and still going through all jimin wanted ? you don't know nothing.
Stop the nonsense. How do you call yourselves Army. When you dont even trust the members and treat them like adults ... Which they are 🙄
Yes, BTS are very intelligent and talented men that knows who they are and exactly what they want and are definitely not easily influenced. My fear is that dealing with the likes of UMG, someone is always going to drop the ball, yes all of these people are in the business of making money but a lot of these companies are jealous of our angels and with UMG, money and control goes hand in hand! I believe that many things can be true, the faith that we have in our guys and the concerns of these people that they are now in business with! It's not like Hybe and Bang haven't gotten the company in trouble before, hence this MHJ situation! If I could support BTS without these others I would but because it's all intertwined, of course it's not possible! This is such a serious topic and I truly appreciate you covering it.
Seriously, anyone who equates Jimin's mistreatment with that of the other members hasn't been paying attention. Sure, a lot of things are decided by the members, Jimin specifically asked for more MV's for FACE, but they declined!!! This is on TAPE he actually SAID it! Now you can assume: "Oh he was joking" - we don't know for sure about the reasoning behind it. But there has been SO MUCH other stuff going seriously wrong with FACE and now with MUSE. You wanna tell me Jimin decides on Playlisting? Decided to have a degrading Weverse article written and his historic achievements downplayed or completely ignored while others are mentioned? I doubt he writes Weverse artricles or posts achievements on the BIGHIT page himself. What about the Hanteo chart that was frozen for hours and realtime numbers never adjusted? I could go on and on.. the list is endless. I write everything down, I monitor all members activities to be sure I am not biased. And Jimin got the least amount of opportunities in each field up to now and the most "damage" by "complications". Do you wanna tell me the member who loves performing live the most wanted the least performances? Like I said, we don't know the reasons, but it looks ANYTHING but fair from the outside.
I remember V saying in his Vlog that he have always created his album several times and removing one if not all the songs in it cause he has a lot on his mind and is sometimes his not confident on the or he sees that other songs deserve the album thus yes I would agree that for him to release an album he relies on others point of view of him which turns out to be beautiful. And this also goes to JK. I am a Tae bias and yes I, one way or the other feels like he didn't get too many promotion from HYBE but when I saw how he tried promoting on the street and even doing a meet and greet concert I know that this is what Tae wanted and he knows that even if he will not be in Jimmy Fallon show or do a concert tour ARMY specially those who support him individually will be there for them and he is ok by the support he got. And I know this goes to all 7 of them. They did not 10yrs with each other if they don't know and support each other. They don't do envy but rather be there for each other. So I know that each members works has each others support and blessing. As far as I know all of them attended SUGA's concert maybe not together cause of their schedule and availability but they are there to show their support. BTS has always been independent from HYBE and on my point of view they have always a say to what they want and how they want it. Ia not siding with HYBE I am just stating what I see and understand on the situation.