If I was Picard, I'd have one of those stones broadcasting "Never Gonna Give You Up" to Armus all day, every day, until the end of time. Rick Roll the skin of evil for all of eternity.
Or maybe some stuff on mental health, DIY stranded guides and possibly a few motivational something or other. No one bieng beyond redemption mentality might win out in a century or three...
Or that Black Mirror episode where it was "I wish it could be christmas every day" on infinite loop, the more often he destroyed the speaker, the louder it got.
When you think about it, the writer who invented Armus was very sadistic. He made a powerful character that's an amazing combination of pathetic, evil, powerful, and powerless, and ultimately alone and doomed to be that way forever. How utterly sadistic.
This gen z woke crap displaying it's ignorance and arrogance. Armus is downright terrifying. It killed Tasha was a beloved and valuable character of the trek universe. And emphasis valuable and so prominent that they brought her back. In a parallel universe and she was still capable and strong to contest Picard as I think a romulan captain who was not really evil but morally ambiguous. She died a brutal death and for no reason at all. Except for the simple amusement of a evil primordial slime slick like entity. Tasha wasn't just an run of the mill anybody-nobody. She was a very important component and persona of star trek
Armus: "I wish i had someone to torture..." Me: "Yeah see, that was your whole problem. You could have easily sneak upon the shuttle or let yourself taken as a sample to analysed and you would not only have escaped, you would have the entire crew of the Enterprise in your grasp. But you had to show of how evil you are and as a result you not only kept stuck on that rock, Picard put apparently a lot of warning signs and information about you out into the galaxy that not even the Pakleds seem to be stupid enough to visit."
he's actually one of my favorite aliens . the practical effects looks great even today . and even his voice is creepy the way it sounds as if he can barely breath . a bit similar to Darth Vader in some ways
@@bogey780 I also like how even though he's sadistic , and the closest thing to pure evil we ever saw in these shows , but even he is not 100% pure evil . since they also gave him a tragic background story , of being abandoned , abused , left alone for who knows how long , so it explains why he's so evil , and even makes you feel sad for him a little bit despite what he did
I genuinely enjoy Lower Decks most of the time, and that's more than I can say for anything else in modern Star Trek. It missteps here and there, but it's mostly just laughing at the more absurd parts of Star Trek, and I love that because there are so damn many of them. In my mind, it's parody done well.
@@ge2719 Maybe I'm misusing the term, but what I mean is it's a comedy, not meant to be taken seriously. It's not a mainline Star Trek series, and I don't know where you'd begin to compare it to one.
@@boxtears I did form my own opinions. But instead of typing everything, if I can just reference you to a video that hit the nail on the head on the topic, it saves us all time. Let me ask you the same question I asked some other guy. Did you think this clip was ... well here's the comment: ----------- @slimj091 did you find this clip funny? Because if it's representative of the show...... I just wrote this comment about the humour: ---------------- I think the issue is new vs old ST fans. Old ST fans like smart shows, and that's why they dislike the recent shows. The new ST fans are the opposite, they love the new dumb stuff. Hence, dumb jokes and dumb humour for dumb fans. To me, humour seems to be humour aimed at very young children... So to enjoy it or find it funny as an adult, you need somehow to have the mind/IQ of a child, because it's just coarse, simplistic and childish... Like the old pie in the face gag... --------------- And yeah sure I'll happily admit not having watched the show. Have you seen The Critical Drinker episode on Lower Decks? Because it perfectly illustrates my thoughts on the matter. I just rewatched it, and he totally nailed most of the issues with the show.
The fact that it's Tendi who delivers that line, when she's usually the sweet one who you don't expect to hear that kind of language from, makes that even more hilarious.
Yeah I mean he's just a self aware oil slick and seems to "own" a whole lot of rocks. He sounded both surprised that he had stuff AND angry that someone else was touching it. It didn't matter if he had no idea what it was, it was HIS (apparently).
My favorite thing about Lower Decks is how it approaches all the goofy crap that has happened in Trek over the years. The Abramsverse and Kurtzmannverse tends to ignore them or reimagine them as more serious. Lower Decks is a comedy, so it can embrace them all and just say, "The Universe is a goofy place."
LOL Right. I just noticed that too. Picard was hell bent on making sure the shuttle craft was wiped out. Along with Armus getting a hell of a beating from the explosion.
Honestly Lower Decks has been the only good Treck in the last 5 years and while I’m happy it’s a fun show it’s also kind of sad STD and Picard were so disappointing.
@@patrickwilkinson7351Surprised Armus was left. Damn thing is basically a nuclear explosion right in his face. I don't care how immortal you are that's going to leave a mark.
They mentioned Armus twice in S1, first one was Mariner talking to Boimler about his new girlfriend saying she could be an Armus or whatever. Second was when Rutherford was in space with the chief engineer on the Romulan Bird of Prey and the chief engineer goes "hey tasha watch out there's a trash bag behind you" or words to those effect.
It was mostly that the original actor had passed away and that they often did not replace. That's why we've never seen Sarabi since 1994 (2019 is a remake so that's something else)
I gotta say, this is definitely one of the better episodes of season 1. Yeah, a major character was unceremoniously killed off, but the writing is pretty strong and Armus is a decent Villain. Plus, we get some great Picard moments in this one.
his teleportation only works within vagra II and since shuttlecraft 13 was destroyed with a photon torpedo there are no spaceships he could use to escape the planet or materials to make one out of
Nu-trek: I am the skin of evil, left here by a race of titans who believed, if they rid themselves of me, they would free the bonds of destructiveness.
That.....actually sounds like Skeletor's original in the old He-Man Audio Books: An ancient Race of Giants rid themselves of their Greed, Jealousy and Hate, and all these negative Emotions, now without a Host, took the Form of a blue skinned Man with a Skull for a Face. Yes, Skeletor is literally made of Evil. 😆 Honestly, that's so ridiculous that it's actually kinda fun.
Man, The LD staff clearly like Star Trek. Shame the same can't be said for STD or STP but hey, if LD is all we get in terms of trek content for older trek fans, I'll take it.
so many call backs and references in Lower decks made me appreciate the series. it was a completely new twist to a trek show but was done so without branching to far off to the point where you can enjoy the new and nostalgia of the old. something picard and discovery lack.
Dude stop. Every new generation of star trek it's the same freaking complaints. In twenty years you'll love discovery and picard, and be complaining about how the new Star Trek show isn't star trek like discovery and picard were.
@@slimj091 " In twenty years you'll love discovery and picard" LMAO! Thanks for the joke buddy! Now THAT was hilarious! 100x times funnier than this clip! If I had a drink, I'd likely have spit it out laughing oh man that was great! You should be a comedian! But yeah, seriously, I don't doubt that the current fans who love that garbage might not love future trek. But at that point......... You have to wonder how bad it would have to get. Maybe even a throw back to TNG would generate that result; as new fans of ST would hate the original ST; as they are just completely different in their nature.
Discovery and Picard are better than lower decks. they are at least trying to make new Star Trek shows and not just do a Star Trek family Guy reference meme humor show that is painfully unfunny.
it did, the last episode of deep space nine was the death of all good Trek, after that it was repeat after repeat of the same lore and characters, Voyager has been milked to death and now LD is milking the entire franchise
Not safe at all and not accurate. Captain Archer sadly was the last time we really saw Trek, if we're not counting "Star Trek the Lost Episodes" with Vic Mgonga
agree..as its advertised as a "teenage comedy" i imagine alot of the "teens" watching it dont even know what they are talking about..my partner watches it with me and has not really watched much Trek so alot of the references are contrived and need to be explained by me.
@@temparalflux914 I think the "teen" in "teenage comedy" refers more the the level of "naughtiness" of the humor - like saying its a "PG-13" comedy, not that teenagers are the target audience. The show is very clearly meant to be a gentle satire of classic Trek aimed at old Trekkies/Trekkers.
Big TNG fan here. Saw all the bad movies. And loving Lower Decks. But I never knew how toxic the Trek fanbase was when given a Star Trek love letter in the form of Lower Decks.
lower decks looked like garbage from the trailers. also references are not jokes. they can be part of jokes. also lower decks comes on the heel of garbage trek so a lot of people think it is garbage by default.
armus is one of the most epic anomalies in the series. imagine if it were to meld with the borg as a whole... still waiting for closure though, it needs to be put to rest by either finding the titans and reuniting, or something.. also guinan the imp story development.
To be honest I kind of felt bad for Armus. I mean, he didn't ask to be the way he is. Those "titan" people made him and then just threw him away. He was made evil since day 1. It's not really his fault.
@@Funaru yes at least it feels like it's made by actual fans who know the source material , and show all the details correctly . I do wish there was more of a story though
@@MajorGrin Don't know how you get through it... The main character, hell, all characters seem absolutely atrocious and infuriating. It's all the woke tropes all of the time. Not sure how you handle it.
yeah it could have so much more . this reminds me of the Q cameo in the previous season . it was nice , but could have been so much more if they had him for a whole episode and did an actual story with him. same here with Armus . could have been a cool episode about him escaping and being an actual villain for at least a whole episode . instead of just a cameo for a joke
@@MajorGrin The perhaps scariest thing is that after Kurtzman Trek I legit find even a cameo like that pretty enjoyable XD Still, it would be so cool if they made more out of that old material.
@@ETH5626 I think there was also a bit in the show about how he couldn't be killed. I'm reading about him right now and there's some comment about how he literally feeds on the phasers they shot at him, probably energy-conversion or something. So even dropping a torpedo or a giant rock from orbit on him wouldn't harm him because he'd just absorb all the heat and energy, and the physical impact wouldn't do squat to him since he's already goo. He'd just have to pull himself back together if bits of him got blown off by the blast. Drop him into a star, and he'd just feed on it till it went out, and he'd probably ride the blast wave into the depths of space.
If the 5th Element taught us anything, Evil begets Evil. I'd wager it would just make him stronger and given enough power, he might be able to leave that planet.
Seems kind of appropriate for him to appear in lower decks since he does come across as more as an 80s cartoon villain then well something that should be part of tng era star trek( that being said a lot season 1 and 2 feels a bit like a parody of itself)
I think when it comes to Liking/Hating STLD, it comes down to how they view the comedy being applied. Star Trek is older than many of us here, and there's enough content to literally have entire seasons of nothing but easter eggs. And that's what a lot of its comedy relies on: Callbacks and easter eggs. One's millage may vary, with a lot of easier to appease geeks just gushing over all the details. But a lot of people think that kind of humor is just low-hanging fruit and not funny. For character comedy, many are rubbed the wrong way. Mariner comes off as a sue in which the writers recognized she's a sue and heap incidental trouble on to disguise it. Boimler comes across as an incapable whiny brat of a young man who can't do anything well without Mariner there to bail him out. It's kind of David Lister and Arnold J. Rimmer of Red Dwarf, but in Star Trek. The capable slacker, and the incapable try-hard. But it comes at a time when casting ratios and character assignments are being scrutinized by more critical reviewers, and as a result, not just casting, but character roles and treatment are being carefully watched for signs of wokeness. People see the Mariner/Boimler relationship, an 'amazing dark-skinned female just outclassing the pathetic white male at every punchline', as an example of said wokeness... And thus stop viewing the interaction jokes as jokes and more as insults. It's hard to laugh when you think you're being passive-aggressively insulted by the thing you love, and the people who make it. And if it didn't look like the roles were selected based on the Wokeness Formula, maybe the Capable-slacker/incapable-tryhard setup would be forgiven and properly enjoyed. Then of course, there's the premise itself. There are people who think it is a betrayal of Star Trek's entire message to conceptualize that there's a contingent of a ship's crew, or even Starfleet as a whole, that are essentially an under-class. STLD brings in the concept of 'Enlisted' and all the lack of rank and privilege that implies. Something that taints the vision many have of the Federation having this utopian, idealistic view. "Welcome to Starfleet! The Best of the Best!" ... "Move along Lower Decks." It's supposed to be a little satire dark humor pointing out the unspoken enlisted side of Trek, the many scene extras running a ship. But people will froth at the mouth to have non-idealistic things pointed out to them in their idealistic setting. I'm sure there are enlisted equivalent positions on ships, it's just that satire requires such positions to be denigrated a bit more than would be appropriate. Personally, I find the humor hit and miss, as with most humor. Mariner gets away with a bit too much, so she rubs that sue feel somewhat, but it's juxtaposed by getting tossed in the brig by her own mother, which isn't funny in itself, but in later scenes where it's not just something that was said before a short time skip... There she is, in the brig, having a pow-wow with her friends through a forcefield... An episode later: "Hah! She's _STILL_ in the brig!"
I hate it for the same reason I hate Teen Titans Go. Shit animation relying on, as you say, easter eggs and callbacks, and "let's fuck around" story lines that betray the source material.
As much as LD is silly/stupid/dumb/iconoclastic to the seriousness/pretentiousness of Trek....I thoroughly enjoy the Easter eggs and references from all the past Trek series. It keeps me watching and laughing, and makes me rewatch those episodes.
Would something like this be classified to some extent. Meaning a young officer wouldn't know about it. Obviously you would know so you don't go there. But would everyone know the alien and its name.
Announce it to the whole alpha quadrant. "There's a dead planet with nothing but rocks and an immortal torture alien calling itself a skin of evil. It claims it was left behind by a race that rid themselves of evil but they either died in the process or were too dumb to set up a warning beacon." Hopefully everyone stays away from the planet and leaves the tar monster alone. Otherwise, one Starfleet's enemies checks it out and gets their crew murdered. There's also a one-in-a-billion chance the Q or the aliens that left him behind and clean up the mess. Actually, it would be kinda funny to have Q show up to mess with the Cerritos or Titan crew, get in trouble with the higher up members of the Q race, and then at the end of the episode we see him having to mop up Armus like some kind of cosmic janitor as punishment.
I think it is clear at this point that the characters in Lower Decks are supposed to represent the various archetypes/stereotypes of Star Trek Fans and they've seen all the Episodes. Breaking the 4th wall for lazy gags is kind of in the DNA of this show.
Well Captain Picard has mentioned before about how certain missions Enterprise have done would not been known to cadets or junior officers to certain extent. TNG episode Allegiance.
Sometimes mockery is the best response to evil. For example the wartime song "Hitler has only got one ball" Hitler has only got one ball, Göring has two but very small, Himmler is rather sim'lar, But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
Given that Q takes the time to even pester a second contact ship like the cerritos; I'd say it's safe to assume he probably does and he bothers all of them
@@redribbonrox3292 the Edo is a race of Adam. & Eve people not a ship and a very VERY POWERFUL ENTITY looks over them. Who are they does Q know them???
if trek is any indicator you need to be 3 seasons in for it to be good. TOS was good in season 2. TNG sason 3-6 DS9-season 3-6 VOY - season 3-6 ENT - 3-4
Depicting Armus being in a trench or river is not consistent with the TNG episode. There was an actual trench on the TNG set used to do the practical effects, but the intent seen in animation in a few shots of "Skin of Evil" was to imagine Armus as a shape-changing form moving on flat ground, not unlike the T-1000 a few years later in Terminator 2.
Threatening? You mean the impotent slush pile that can't leave the planet it's on? And was never seen or mentioned on Star Trek again until it was literally a gag on Lower Decks? Yeah, very threatening.
@@johnmccarron7066 Have you even watched that TNG episode recently? Despite of the aged effects (they literally drowned Riker in printer ink, yuck), it's a pretty though provoking episode, and the concept of Armus is pretty terrifying.
You know he has practically nothing to do with this show right? Also, this villain is super lame. People only remembered him because he killed a bridge officer and he only did that because the script was laying around when what's her face quit.
"Lower Decks" was done much funnier 20 years ago with the animated web series "Starship Regulars" which had the voice talent of non other than Michael Dorn, among others.
After 33 years, Tasha is finally avenged.
well the original tasha the one still became a sex slave and was never avenged
What Tendi goes and kills the Romulan Preator?
@@pearsegallagher9832 both tasha's died.
prime tasha killed by armus
tasha created by yesterdays enterprise - dies anyways. romulans killed her
@@cosmeticscameo8277 ...........i know
Very good Tin Man.
Tendi: “What’re we going to do? Prank call Armus?”
Picard: “Make it so Ensigns!”
God, Tendi would have loved to serve under Picard, well, She's happy with the Cerritos.
Tendi's an overal bunle of joy and positivity.
Mistress of the Winter Constillations indeed.@@juliusmoe-nstar8942
@@juliusmoe-nstar8942By this point Picard is an Admiral (in fact, he's mentioned in S3).
If I was Picard, I'd have one of those stones broadcasting "Never Gonna Give You Up" to Armus all day, every day, until the end of time. Rick Roll the skin of evil for all of eternity.
Or maybe some stuff on mental health, DIY stranded guides and possibly a few motivational something or other. No one bieng beyond redemption mentality might win out in a century or three...
Or that Black Mirror episode where it was "I wish it could be christmas every day" on infinite loop, the more often he destroyed the speaker, the louder it got.
Wow calm down there Satan
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS No, no, Satan is the one I'd be Rick-Rolling.
@@erikbergqvist83 I am not sure if you are aware, but Armus is literally evil. He is the physical residue of evil itself.
Can you imagine Starfleet calling Armus regularly just to harass him.
Lower Decks did that bit.
I mean, given that Picard says his greatest fear is to be left alone forever, maybe on some level Armus actually enjoys the prank calls?
When you think about it, the writer who invented Armus was very sadistic. He made a powerful character that's an amazing combination of pathetic, evil, powerful, and powerless, and ultimately alone and doomed to be that way forever. How utterly sadistic.
that's the genius of it. so powerful yet so helpless at the same time
Yeah that was the point, the impotence and destructiveness of raw power without a positive will to guide it.
And the writer got rid of tasha for awhile atleast. That makes armus a hero for me
@@coreybullock1392 Are you thinking of Reginald Barkley?
and now this complex character is being tormented and outmatched by dimwitted children.
"We're touching your stuff." That's the only thing that pissed him off enough to stand up
Until he remembered he does not have stuff.
MY PEN! GIMME BACK MY PEN!!!
And Armus is so easily baited that he gets mad about it, even though he has no idea what stuff they're even talking about.
This gen z woke crap displaying it's ignorance and arrogance. Armus is downright terrifying. It killed Tasha was a beloved and valuable character of the trek universe. And emphasis valuable and so prominent that they brought her back. In a parallel universe and she was still capable and strong to contest Picard as I think a romulan captain who was not really evil but morally ambiguous. She died a brutal death and for no reason at all. Except for the simple amusement of a evil primordial slime slick like entity. Tasha wasn't just an run of the mill anybody-nobody. She was a very important component and persona of star trek
@@FrankDeleon-fe8cu Try harder.
Armus: "I wish i had someone to torture..."
Me: "Yeah see, that was your whole problem. You could have easily sneak upon the shuttle or let yourself taken as a sample to analysed and you would not only have escaped, you would have the entire crew of the Enterprise in your grasp. But you had to show of how evil you are and as a result you not only kept stuck on that rock, Picard put apparently a lot of warning signs and information about you out into the galaxy that not even the Pakleds seem to be stupid enough to visit."
The Packleds showing up would be pretty interesting. Either they would be destroyed or somehow blindly stumble into using Armus as a weapon.
@@lonnyyoung4285 or their dense minds prove too difficult to control. which would be hilarious. like a WAAGH field of stupid rather than violence.
The definition of the Chaotic Stupid alignment.
picard declared a permanent quarantine and submitted his data. starfleet probably has it guarded at this point
Give him kurtzman, now that I would back him for
When I was like 6 years old and saw this TNG episode I was literally terrified by Armus, I couldn't sleep for days
he's actually one of my favorite aliens . the practical effects looks great even today . and even his voice is creepy the way it sounds as if he can barely breath . a bit similar to Darth Vader in some ways
@@MajorGrin agree. The voice is disturbing
Because they wrote evil well in the episode.
Same. I never saw a good guy being killed before.
@@bogey780 I also like how even though he's sadistic , and the closest thing to pure evil we ever saw in these shows , but even he is not 100% pure evil . since they also gave him a tragic background story , of being abandoned , abused , left alone for who knows how long , so it explains why he's so evil , and even makes you feel sad for him a little bit despite what he did
The only thing that would have made this better is if one of them claimed to be the ghost of Tasha Yar coming back to haunt him.
Lol
Yes! Would have been too funny
omfg yes,
Half the people in the comments are talking about how awful it is and half are talking about how great it is. Lower Decks dichotomy
I genuinely enjoy Lower Decks most of the time, and that's more than I can say for anything else in modern Star Trek. It missteps here and there, but it's mostly just laughing at the more absurd parts of Star Trek, and I love that because there are so damn many of them. In my mind, it's parody done well.
LD is better than enterprise, and on par with voyager.
@@REDDAWNproject It's a parody, mate. I wouldn't compare it to any of the mainline series.
@@ODST_Parker an official show that is a"parody" of its license. What?
@@ge2719 Maybe I'm misusing the term, but what I mean is it's a comedy, not meant to be taken seriously. It's not a mainline Star Trek series, and I don't know where you'd begin to compare it to one.
Armus the forever living , alone and sad at the same time.
i wonder if the enteprrise -d fired torpedoes on armus would it live.
That's probably what I would have done as we left. Can't hurt to try a few extra
In his own Hell!
they got a stone that allows you to cast your voice on any planet? that's prettty crazy stuff there.
Pretty bloody lazy setup for a stupid joke.
@@ge2719 You're not clever.
@@boxtears grow up, he didn't insult you or your mother.
@@literalghost929 Funny coming from you, someone who relies on a garbage reviewer to tell him what to think and can't form his own opinions.
@@boxtears I did form my own opinions. But instead of typing everything, if I can just reference you to a video that hit the nail on the head on the topic, it saves us all time.
Let me ask you the same question I asked some other guy. Did you think this clip was ... well here's the comment:
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@slimj091 did you find this clip funny? Because if it's representative of the show...... I just wrote this comment about the humour:
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I think the issue is new vs old ST fans. Old ST fans like smart shows, and that's why they dislike the recent shows. The new ST fans are the opposite, they love the new dumb stuff. Hence, dumb jokes and dumb humour for dumb fans.
To me, humour seems to be humour aimed at very young children... So to enjoy it or find it funny as an adult, you need somehow to have the mind/IQ of a child, because it's just coarse, simplistic and childish... Like the old pie in the face gag...
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And yeah sure I'll happily admit not having watched the show. Have you seen The Critical Drinker episode on Lower Decks? Because it perfectly illustrates my thoughts on the matter. I just rewatched it, and he totally nailed most of the issues with the show.
The fact that it's Tendi who delivers that line, when she's usually the sweet one who you don't expect to hear that kind of language from, makes that even more hilarious.
As an old school TNG fan, I gotta say that was pretty funny.
Love that he sounded surprised to learn he had stuff.
Yeah I mean he's just a self aware oil slick and seems to "own" a whole lot of rocks.
He sounded both surprised that he had stuff AND angry that someone else was touching it. It didn't matter if he had no idea what it was, it was HIS (apparently).
Messing with the evil of evils. He is probably good in the mirror universe.
If they may make a Lower Decks "MIRROR MIRROR MIRROR" episode, this may can crown it! :D
@@bencebotye3904 Lol the skin of good xD Just slowly wears down and wetbankets the mirror universe.
A glowing river of light that heals with a flake of his power
Anyone wanna petition cbs for this?
So he probably still killed evil Yar.
My favorite thing about Lower Decks is how it approaches all the goofy crap that has happened in Trek over the years.
The Abramsverse and Kurtzmannverse tends to ignore them or reimagine them as more serious. Lower Decks is a comedy, so it can embrace them all and just say, "The Universe is a goofy place."
That's great, except that's not what's going on with this show.
@@willstikken5619 oh?
i hate how they turned genuinely well written characters and symbolism into crappy modern jokes with their stale humor
I still can't believe they didn't once comment on the differences with the Enterprise between TOS and SNW.
@@hornet370The concept of lampshading is merely a "crappy modern joke" now?
1:07 (The shuttle craft, and several hundred square kilometres around it!!)
LOL Right. I just noticed that too. Picard was hell bent on making sure the shuttle craft was wiped out. Along with Armus getting a hell of a beating from the explosion.
They pranked called what you essentially could call a devil. That’s actually pretty baller
I would say it's rather juvenile.
@@zdueker One does not mean the other is exclusive.
@@zdueker You must be real fun at parties.
@@johnmccarron7066 pretty much with a stone that has power like that and the first thing that coms to mind is prank calling armus lol
@@johnmccarron7066 PenPen pfp? Fuckin' based
Honestly Lower Decks has been the only good Treck in the last 5 years and while I’m happy it’s a fun show it’s also kind of sad STD and Picard were so disappointing.
It’s a little too reference heavy at the start but it really finds its own footing later on. Season 2 in particular has been very strong.
the difference is Disco and picard are in the more modern streaming format, while LD is monster of the week, both are valid
Orville is pretty solid Trek type show
@@TheMhalpern That has nothing to do with it. STD redesign a classic Race into the gutter. End of story. Should have been end of show.
What really sticks out to me is that even by-the-books, straight-laced _Boimler_ thinks that’s an absolutely stellar idea.
And Tendi calls him a puddle of shit.
It would've been a cool Easter egg to include the shuttle craft debris in the background from when Picard destroyed it so Armus couldn't leave...
or him trying to fix it and failing.
It was targeted by a photon torpedo and we were able to see a massive explosion from orbit. There's no debris from that shuttle left.
@@patrickwilkinson7351Surprised Armus was left. Damn thing is basically a nuclear explosion right in his face. I don't care how immortal you are that's going to leave a mark.
They mentioned Armus twice in S1, first one was Mariner talking to Boimler about his new girlfriend saying she could be an Armus or whatever. Second was when Rutherford was in space with the chief engineer on the Romulan Bird of Prey and the chief engineer goes "hey tasha watch out there's a trash bag behind you" or words to those effect.
armus is a pretty dangerous foe.
if picard declared the planet off limits you that place is serious.
Ransom also mentions "sentient tar," which was a pretty clear nod towards Armus.
In the season 1 finale didn't Mariner also say she'd feed Boimler to an Armus after he took the promotion to the Titan?
I never thought I would see this heap of tar again
That planet's off-limits, so of course you'd need a rule-breaker like Mariner to see it again.
It was mostly that the original actor had passed away and that they often did not replace. That's why we've never seen Sarabi since 1994 (2019 is a remake so that's something else)
"Lower decks" might be meta reference to this production crew... lower in the hierarchy, better at the job
I gotta say, this is definitely one of the better episodes of season 1. Yeah, a major character was unceremoniously killed off, but the writing is pretty strong and Armus is a decent Villain. Plus, we get some great Picard moments in this one.
I absolutely love Lower Decks, the entire series so far has had me in stitches
Also with the way the music ends from Lower decks you get the feeling they got revenge for armus for troutureing them the whole episode or something.
Ya know, if Armus is so powerful, couldn't he just launch himself into space?
his teleportation only works within vagra II and since shuttlecraft 13 was destroyed with a photon torpedo there are no spaceships he could use to escape the planet or materials to make one out of
@@dodecahedron1 No, I mean just use his power to physically pick himself up and yeet himself into space.
@@funkmantim2661 Have you ever tried picking yourself up.
@@jaksida300 you mean like jumping?? 🤣🤣🤣
Goddamn, I laughed at a Lower Decks scene, DAAAAMNNN YOOOOOOU!
So they are doing Futurama but with a Trek flavor?
Boimler is the son of Leela and Fry ruclips.net/video/d1Rm94MxRd0/видео.html
@@MajorGrin more an ape than inspiration. It is absolutely Fry with her hair!
Rick & Morty.
I object to that description, but Star Trek with Futurama flavor does seem appropriate.
its much worse than Futurama. im not even a fan of futurama, but it is gold compared to Lower Decks.
Lower decks is more like family guy.
Man I love this show.
Nu-trek: I am the skin of evil, left here by a race of titans who believed, if they rid themselves of me, they would free the bonds of destructiveness.
Sounds like democrats describing Donald Trump, doesn't it?
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@@Turboy65 Yeah but let's let the democrats out themselves, Most of them bring up trump out of the blue for whatever reason.
That.....actually sounds like Skeletor's original in the old He-Man Audio Books:
An ancient Race of Giants rid themselves of their Greed, Jealousy and Hate, and all these negative Emotions, now without a Host, took the Form of a blue skinned Man with a Skull for a Face.
Yes, Skeletor is literally made of Evil. 😆
Honestly, that's so ridiculous that it's actually kinda fun.
@@Turboy65 Eh lower decks ain't bad
Man, The LD staff clearly like Star Trek. Shame the same can't be said for STD or STP but hey, if LD is all we get in terms of trek content for older trek fans, I'll take it.
so many call backs and references in Lower decks made me appreciate the series. it was a completely new twist to a trek show but was done so without branching to far off to the point where you can enjoy the new and nostalgia of the old. something picard and discovery lack.
Dude stop. Every new generation of star trek it's the same freaking complaints. In twenty years you'll love discovery and picard, and be complaining about how the new Star Trek show isn't star trek like discovery and picard were.
@@slimj091 " In twenty years you'll love discovery and picard"
LMAO! Thanks for the joke buddy! Now THAT was hilarious! 100x times funnier than this clip! If I had a drink, I'd likely have spit it out laughing oh man that was great! You should be a comedian!
But yeah, seriously, I don't doubt that the current fans who love that garbage might not love future trek. But at that point......... You have to wonder how bad it would have to get. Maybe even a throw back to TNG would generate that result; as new fans of ST would hate the original ST; as they are just completely different in their nature.
@@literalghost929you make an excellent point, considering that the passage of time causes some people to reevaluate certain shows.
Discovery and Picard are better than lower decks. they are at least trying to make new Star Trek shows and not just do a Star Trek family Guy reference meme humor show that is painfully unfunny.
Armus rocked! Nice to see a homage in LD. After how LD used the Pakleds, could they really one-up on Army's, who was terrifying to me as a kid too...
I think it's safe to say that good Trek didn't stop being made decades ago.
It did.
it did, the last episode of deep space nine was the death of all good Trek, after that it was repeat after repeat of the same lore and characters, Voyager has been milked to death and now LD is milking the entire franchise
Forget good Trek, I'm just glad it doesn't seem to have an excessive amount of self-aware humor like Rick and Morty.
Not safe at all and not accurate. Captain Archer sadly was the last time we really saw Trek, if we're not counting "Star Trek the Lost Episodes" with Vic Mgonga
In general "Lower Decks" could cut down on the references a bit, esp the constant name dropping, but the Armus scene was hilariously epic, I loved it.
agree..as its advertised as a "teenage comedy" i imagine alot of the "teens" watching it dont even know what they are talking about..my partner watches it with me and has not really watched much Trek so alot of the references are contrived and need to be explained by me.
@@temparalflux914 I think the "teen" in "teenage comedy" refers more the the level of "naughtiness" of the humor - like saying its a "PG-13" comedy, not that teenagers are the target audience. The show is very clearly meant to be a gentle satire of classic Trek aimed at old Trekkies/Trekkers.
Big TNG fan here. Saw all the bad movies. And loving Lower Decks. But I never knew how toxic the Trek fanbase was when given a Star Trek love letter in the form of Lower Decks.
lower decks looked like garbage from the trailers. also references are not jokes. they can be part of jokes.
also lower decks comes on the heel of garbage trek so a lot of people think it is garbage by default.
@@toomanyaccounts Only useless incels think New Trek is garbage.
I can't wait until Lower Decks make fun of the Borg.
"It's like these guys just show up when we run out of stuff to do."
They kind of do? One episode in S3 (I, Excrotus) has Boimler doing a drill in which he has to defeat the Borg single-handedly in order to win.
This is the only new Trek I enjoy.
he was really concerned about his stuff. he apaprently has stuff
maybe he built sand palaces in his free time
Must be important stuff😜
I love how he went "what stuff?" Before getting angry. He's like, "wait I have stuff?"
"More like a puddle of sh*t" lol Love that line
I howled at this when they pranked called him lol
I love the Lower Decks ending
I spat out my tea laughing so hard at the lower decks scene
was the tea ... hot ?
@@MajorGrin like warm with milk and sugar 😉
Earl Grey?
One of ST most under rated vilain! :o This character deserves more! Is the warning probe still there! :)
Not quite justice, but he had it coming.
Now imagine the ST:LD crew pranking him with,
"We would like to talk about your car's extended warranty"
The voice actor of Megatron really got some fun roles lately.
fred tatasciore is mostly known for his Hulk Voice.
But that's also good to know as well.
Armus in lower decks
Data : " I hate it it is revolting"
Would you like more?
I love Lower Decks.
It's just the Orville, but they actually got the license for star trek.
armus is one of the most epic anomalies in the series. imagine if it were to meld with the borg as a whole... still waiting for closure though, it needs to be put to rest by either finding the titans and reuniting, or something.. also guinan the imp story development.
I haven't seen much of Lower Decks but I can honestly say this is the first time I've actually laughed at something that happens in the show.
You're missing out.
Oh wow that was just peak comedy. I see I've made a huge mistake not even realizing this show had a second season unti right now.
To be honest I kind of felt bad for Armus. I mean, he didn't ask to be the way he is. Those "titan" people made him and then just threw him away. He was made evil since day 1. It's not really his fault.
He cannot have mouth but must scream.
This entire show seems to be based off of cashing in on nostalgia.
That is pretty much the whole entertainment industry at this point.
At least they get the look and feel right which practically none of the other new Trek seems to manage.
@@Funaru yes at least it feels like it's made by actual fans who know the source material , and show all the details correctly . I do wish there was more of a story though
It's a parody, so, yeah?
I get Disco hate, I get Picard hate, but Lower Decks is legit a good show made for Trek fans by Trek fans.
@@MajorGrin Don't know how you get through it... The main character, hell, all characters seem absolutely atrocious and infuriating. It's all the woke tropes all of the time. Not sure how you handle it.
1:30 hilarious prank call ☎️ 🤣
That’s great, but don’t let Picard find out.
lol... Wish we had more than a parody show to revisit all the locations and such from the shows but still... XD
yeah it could have so much more . this reminds me of the Q cameo in the previous season . it was nice , but could have been so much more if they had him for a whole episode and did an actual story with him.
same here with Armus . could have been a cool episode about him escaping and being an actual villain for at least a whole episode . instead of just a cameo for a joke
@@MajorGrin The perhaps scariest thing is that after Kurtzman Trek I legit find even a cameo like that pretty enjoyable XD
Still, it would be so cool if they made more out of that old material.
ST is sadly one of the things they should have left alone. Better off dead than just being brought back to life year after year just to be shat on.
@@literalghost929 I hate it so much but that is true. Very very very true.
You got a whole new planet and great inside on an alien culture in this episode, but here you are complaining about a one minute prank.
Epic. Love the referencing in this show to all other Star Trek shows
Best moment in the episode I thought.
This makes me happy to know Bomlier became 1st officer of the Excelsior
Derp!
Diminishment. Making use of a past they don't understand and could never had made themselves.
Sure?
I always thought they killed him at the end when the Enterprize sent the photon torpedo down to the planet.
That was to destroy the shuttle to ensure he doesn’t have a chance to escape the planet.
@@Muryohken Ah, but it would have been more fitting if the photon torpedo did destroy him.
@@ETH5626 The whole point of the cartharsis was that Armus is going to suffer alone eternally due to his immortality.
@@geordi5054 Well, he was a slimebag.
@@ETH5626 I think there was also a bit in the show about how he couldn't be killed. I'm reading about him right now and there's some comment about how he literally feeds on the phasers they shot at him, probably energy-conversion or something. So even dropping a torpedo or a giant rock from orbit on him wouldn't harm him because he'd just absorb all the heat and energy, and the physical impact wouldn't do squat to him since he's already goo. He'd just have to pull himself back together if bits of him got blown off by the blast. Drop him into a star, and he'd just feed on it till it went out, and he'd probably ride the blast wave into the depths of space.
They should send Armus one of those stress devices they built in the stress episode. ;)
Should have fired a few photon torpedoes at armus.
If the 5th Element taught us anything, Evil begets Evil. I'd wager it would just make him stronger and given enough power, he might be able to leave that planet.
Even if evil begets evil
It wouldn't have been evil for them to try to destroy Armus
Step 1: Taunt Armus
Step 2: Catfishing Armus
Step 3: Break his ❤
Step 4: "This is for Tasha Yar ya fuck face!"
Lower Decks has officially turned into Robot Chicken level of humor
Lol I love it
I just watched the original TNG episode… they even got the appearance of the planet right
I lost my shot when I saw this scene on Lower Decks! Lol Classic show.
It's like a toilet bowl nightmare after taco night
Seems kind of appropriate for him to appear in lower decks since he does come across as more as an 80s cartoon villain then well something that should be part of tng era star trek( that being said a lot season 1 and 2 feels a bit like a parody of itself)
They are actually doing Armus favor. It's the first time in decades that he gets to interact with anyone.
I think when it comes to Liking/Hating STLD, it comes down to how they view the comedy being applied. Star Trek is older than many of us here, and there's enough content to literally have entire seasons of nothing but easter eggs. And that's what a lot of its comedy relies on: Callbacks and easter eggs. One's millage may vary, with a lot of easier to appease geeks just gushing over all the details. But a lot of people think that kind of humor is just low-hanging fruit and not funny.
For character comedy, many are rubbed the wrong way. Mariner comes off as a sue in which the writers recognized she's a sue and heap incidental trouble on to disguise it. Boimler comes across as an incapable whiny brat of a young man who can't do anything well without Mariner there to bail him out. It's kind of David Lister and Arnold J. Rimmer of Red Dwarf, but in Star Trek. The capable slacker, and the incapable try-hard. But it comes at a time when casting ratios and character assignments are being scrutinized by more critical reviewers, and as a result, not just casting, but character roles and treatment are being carefully watched for signs of wokeness. People see the Mariner/Boimler relationship, an 'amazing dark-skinned female just outclassing the pathetic white male at every punchline', as an example of said wokeness... And thus stop viewing the interaction jokes as jokes and more as insults. It's hard to laugh when you think you're being passive-aggressively insulted by the thing you love, and the people who make it. And if it didn't look like the roles were selected based on the Wokeness Formula, maybe the Capable-slacker/incapable-tryhard setup would be forgiven and properly enjoyed.
Then of course, there's the premise itself. There are people who think it is a betrayal of Star Trek's entire message to conceptualize that there's a contingent of a ship's crew, or even Starfleet as a whole, that are essentially an under-class. STLD brings in the concept of 'Enlisted' and all the lack of rank and privilege that implies. Something that taints the vision many have of the Federation having this utopian, idealistic view. "Welcome to Starfleet! The Best of the Best!" ... "Move along Lower Decks." It's supposed to be a little satire dark humor pointing out the unspoken enlisted side of Trek, the many scene extras running a ship. But people will froth at the mouth to have non-idealistic things pointed out to them in their idealistic setting. I'm sure there are enlisted equivalent positions on ships, it's just that satire requires such positions to be denigrated a bit more than would be appropriate.
Personally, I find the humor hit and miss, as with most humor. Mariner gets away with a bit too much, so she rubs that sue feel somewhat, but it's juxtaposed by getting tossed in the brig by her own mother, which isn't funny in itself, but in later scenes where it's not just something that was said before a short time skip... There she is, in the brig, having a pow-wow with her friends through a forcefield... An episode later: "Hah! She's _STILL_ in the brig!"
I mean they developed especially boimler
I hate it for the same reason I hate Teen Titans Go. Shit animation relying on, as you say, easter eggs and callbacks, and "let's fuck around" story lines that betray the source material.
@@kev3d Lol nah it ain't teen titans go and I am pretty sure boiler has actulaly developed lol
@@kev3d Also shit animation, maybe the art style but no
@Swen It is more of references and boimler develops
seeing as Armus was responsible for killing Tasha Yarr al those years ago, he deserved this
To be fair he had it coming for 33 years
That LD scene is one of the funniest in all of Star Trek
Armus, the evil animated oil-slick.
As much as LD is silly/stupid/dumb/iconoclastic to the seriousness/pretentiousness of Trek....I thoroughly enjoy the Easter eggs and references from all the past Trek series. It keeps me watching and laughing, and makes me rewatch those episodes.
The Goopster himself
Would something like this be classified to some extent. Meaning
a young officer wouldn't know about it. Obviously you would know so you don't go there. But would everyone know the alien and its name.
picard mad this planet off limits and the reason behind it should be known so people know theirs a bad shit crazy power hungry toture alien down their
Announce it to the whole alpha quadrant. "There's a dead planet with nothing but rocks and an immortal torture alien calling itself a skin of evil. It claims it was left behind by a race that rid themselves of evil but they either died in the process or were too dumb to set up a warning beacon."
Hopefully everyone stays away from the planet and leaves the tar monster alone. Otherwise, one Starfleet's enemies checks it out and gets their crew murdered. There's also a one-in-a-billion chance the Q or the aliens that left him behind and clean up the mess.
Actually, it would be kinda funny to have Q show up to mess with the Cerritos or Titan crew, get in trouble with the higher up members of the Q race, and then at the end of the episode we see him having to mop up Armus like some kind of cosmic janitor as punishment.
I think it is clear at this point that the characters in Lower Decks are supposed to represent the various archetypes/stereotypes of Star Trek Fans and they've seen all the Episodes.
Breaking the 4th wall for lazy gags is kind of in the DNA of this show.
Well Captain Picard has mentioned before about how certain missions Enterprise have done would not been known to cadets or junior officers to certain extent. TNG episode Allegiance.
it wouldn't be classified. if anything the solar system should be declared off limits.
Sometimes mockery is the best response to evil. For example the wartime song "Hitler has only got one ball"
Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but very small,
Himmler is rather sim'lar,
But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
Armus chooses to remain oily and goopy so that he will always be able to tell just who was "Touch'n his STUFF"!
😂
Honestly, the best thing you could do to an immutable immortal murderous menace is to annoy it for all time.
i like how hes concerned over stuff he doesnt even know about
🙄 given the chance, children could have started the earth - romulan wars with that rock.
What about the. “ Edo” their back story does Q know them
Make a call to them
Given that Q takes the time to even pester a second contact ship like the cerritos; I'd say it's safe to assume he probably does and he bothers all of them
@@redribbonrox3292 the Edo is a race of Adam. & Eve people not a ship and a very VERY POWERFUL ENTITY looks over them. Who are they does Q know them???
Oh my bad I'm not to well versed in star trek loar. Though again being that he is a Q he's probably at least aware of them
I think they've mentioned the Edo on Lower Decks as "that race that runs around in leotards" or something
Damn. Didn’t think they could ruin ST even more but they did
Ruin?
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes.
Don't liked DON'T FU*KING WATCHING!... rule as simple as Data's positronic matrix.
I realize Armus is a jerk, but prank calling just isn't nice. For all we know, prank calling is what drove Hitler over the edge.
Yeah, Stalin used to call him six times a day ...talking about german food and jews
*Armus:* DAMN YOU!!!!
I am sure that many loved that scene
that is so depressing..
@@literalghost929 You're embarrassing.
I know it's a not a serious show, but this seems like it's shitting on Tasha somehow.
Denise Crosby seems to see it as avenging Tasha so that's nice
I don't think so, but, as she herself said, it was a meaningless death so blame scriptwriters if you want.
Nah: Tasha had a sense of humour.
yeah, like all NuTrek, the entire thing is like an insult to everything that is ST...!
Well she had it coming.
Ah, so they’ve started to turn bad fan fiction into Star Trek canon (animated). This will end well.
Yeah. So well, in fact, that Lower Decks is getting a third season in April.
@@johnmccarron7066 I guess these days Hollywood will even keep poor fake Trek going. You ain’t wrong there. Bad fan fic all the way.
No. Discovery isn't animated.
@Swen You don't actually know anything about ratings.
Lower Decks has been kind of hit-or-miss so far this season, but this scene was great.
if trek is any indicator you need to be 3 seasons in for it to be good.
TOS was good in season 2.
TNG sason 3-6
DS9-season 3-6
VOY - season 3-6
ENT - 3-4
@@cosmeticscameo8277 TOS started out great.
Depicting Armus being in a trench or river is not consistent with the TNG episode. There was an actual trench on the TNG set used to do the practical effects, but the intent seen in animation in a few shots of "Skin of Evil" was to imagine Armus as a shape-changing form moving on flat ground, not unlike the T-1000 a few years later in Terminator 2.
They also showed him tripping and falling over so..
Canon dis nuts (?)
Ok, and this is a problem because…?
Tasha Yar must be laughing in her grave by now. lol
And so, Tasha rolls over in her graves
10/10 use of the plural
Its wonderful seeing Kurtzman ruin actual threatening villains.
Threatening? You mean the impotent slush pile that can't leave the planet it's on? And was never seen or mentioned on Star Trek again until it was literally a gag on Lower Decks?
Yeah, very threatening.
@@johnmccarron7066 Have you even watched that TNG episode recently? Despite of the aged effects (they literally drowned Riker in printer ink, yuck), it's a pretty though provoking episode, and the concept of Armus is pretty terrifying.
@@geordi5054 This guy knows what I mean, The idea of a tar pit is dumb, but the episode has him Kill Yar and mentally abuse everyone there.
You know he has practically nothing to do with this show right? Also, this villain is super lame. People only remembered him because he killed a bridge officer and he only did that because the script was laying around when what's her face quit.
@@alphanerd7221 Something tells me you're a Kurtzman fan
"Lower Decks" was done much funnier 20 years ago with the animated web series "Starship Regulars" which had the voice talent of non other than Michael Dorn, among others.