S4 - 01 - A Look At Our Reloading Dies
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Reloading dies are an essential tool for reloading ammunition and come in a wide variety of makes, models, configurations and price points. This vast array of choices caters to the needs in the market place but can be confusing to the casual reloader or those just beginning to reload their ammo. In this video the 6.5 Guys share their perspective on die selection for competing in precision rifle. They also share tips for enhancing die performance and incremental improvements reloaders can make to improve the overall quality and consistency of their hand loaded ammunition.
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Hosts: Steve Lawrence, Ed Mobley
Edited by: Steve Lawrence
I'm a day late and a dollar short! I just bought 6.5 Creedmoor premium redding die from BRUNO'S...
WISHED I WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS VIDEO FIRST
You can set up the RCBS dies (along with all others) to not overwork the brass and only bump the shoulder back a couple thousands or less. You don't have to buy the real expensive dies.
Or just get a Lee neck sizing die for your fire formed brass... Anyway, thats what works for me. I full length size for my auto loading rifles and neck size my fire formed brass for my 6.5 and 308 bolt target rifles. For my hunting rifles in 270 and 270WSM I set the die to bump the shoulder back 2 thousandths.
Oh also, I found that if I crimp with the Lee Factory Crimp Die, I get more consistent pressure and better accuracy. I lightly crimp everything, even match bullets with no cannelure.
one thing to note about bushing sizing dies: Forster uses a proprietary size bushing system unique to their own (I think they are 3/8 inch long vs Redding's universal 1/4 inch bushings). BUT Forster gives you 3 bushings included with their die where Redding does not
Oh that's definitely something to consider!
Ok I have watched your die videos and can't find what I need. What I am trying to find out is in my 6.5cm ar10, what mandrel size should i use rather than running the expander ball. Question is should I go for 1 or 2 thousands of grip on bullet in my ar10 with a mandrel? And how many thousands would you recommend I set my shoulder back. 2thou or 3-4thou? My barrel is a jp supermatch.
Do you full length size every time or do you go to neck sizing after the first firing? Hear so many opinions about this not sure what to believe???
could you just run your brass through the redding s die twice? once with the expander and then once without to get your neck tension back down to .002. Wouldn't that just do the opposite of running it through the sizer without the expander and then the mandrel to stretch it out and still get that neck tension you are looking for? New to all these bushing dies, thanks for all you do guys.
@ed Mobley, Can you tell me what what width Oring you run ? you mentioned a 7/8 ID. Im about to buy some off of amazon. I'm thinking a 1/16 Oring will be suffice. Thanks.
It's a #17 O-ring with 3/32 thickness: facebook.com/sixfiveguys/photos/p.1260145777402580/1260145777402580/?type=3
What is the website for Custom Reloading Bushing you mentioned? It does not come up in my search.
www.customreloadingtools.com/
You won’t void your Forster warranty with compressed loads, but you WILL bellmouth the seating stem (leading to sticking/clicking) and eventually crack the stem. Even without compressed loads. The stem walls are super thin and fragile. Very disappointed by this. I’ve seated less than 200 rounds through my Forster seater and the stem is already flared 0.003” and rubs the bullet bore and sticks.
I'm a little confused (probably due to my inexperience). If I used the mandrel I would remove the expander button from the full length size die and replace with what? That portion of the video wasn't as clear for me. I decap as separate step
We provide a more robust description in our Gear Update that covers the Sinclair Mandrel dies Link: ruclips.net/video/Ts93W-tF22Y/видео.html
The short answer is remove the expander button and use the Mandrel Die to perform the same function.
Nice vid guys!! Some close up shots would be nice though...
Warner Tool company has the best dies for preserving brass life..... custom fit to your chamber..... if you have your own reamer, it will improve brass life with proper annealing procedures and can have many barrels cut so the cost is up front but cheaper in the long run..... 40 to 50 fires through brass.... I shoot very expensive brass so it is cost effective and makes sense when I pay 40 bucks for 20 pieces of brass.... not typical for common cartridge brass but high volume shooters may also benefit from it, especially if they have there own reamer
Good to know. Thanks for sharing!
Steve did I understand correctly? Are you shooting PRS with a .308 this year. If so why, a penny for your thoughts. Thanks for the great info 65Guys, you and Ed, keep on keeping on!
It's something different and we can share our observations with the audience. While we've both shot .308 in the past, it will be interesting to see how we can adapt the skills we've obtained over the past few years while shooting a more ballilstically challenged round.
Now that you're using the mandrel, are you still using the lanolin solution for the case lube? If so, are you still applying the lube in the same manner?
If you use a compressed load with the forster dies you will crack the seating plug.....I had to quit shooting varget with barnes ttsx if I wanted to use it.
Good to know. Thanks!
Great review lads.
The new Wilson FL bushing dies do a nice job too. I've run these for a while now
The Forster Ultra seater is the Rolls Royce IMO
Run these in a Coax press & concentricity guages are pretty much obsolete
Thanks for the great class!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Guys, great job with the videos and website! I have a Redding Type S Neck die, my only sizing die, for my .223 bolt, and after watching your video I wonder if I should trade it for the full length version. My Hornady reloading manual, among others, strongly point to enhanced accuracy and brass life with neck sizing without mentioning any real downsides. Why do you prefer full length?
Hi - If you neck size only you'll eventually have a difficult time chambering the loaded round. Your mileage may vary, but with .308 using Lapua Brass it became impossible to chamber the round after 4-5 reloads. What you could do is get a dedicated shoulder bump die and perform that operation as needed. But if you're starting from scratch, it's best to get a full length sizing die and set the shoulder back approx .0015-.002". A common mistake folks make with a full length die is to push the shoulders back WAY to far and they end up with head separations after just a few reloads. I made that mistake early in my reloading career. I honestly think that's why full length sizing dies get a bad reputation for brass life - people simply don't know how to use them properly. I highly recommend you get Glen Zediker's book Handloading for Competition. Most of what we advocate comes from that book.
Thanks, Ed. I appreciate your taking the time to write such a thoughtful reply. My neck sizer is going back to the store for a full length version. I'll also look into Zediker's book. Thanks again, and keep up the great work!
Best of luck. Let us know how things work out.
I've had very good results with:
Redding Body Die
Lee Collet Neck Sizer
Forster Micrometer Seater
+kolt46 thanks for sharing.
Just a quick note regarding our selection of dies: We're sharing our journey and what works for us. While our personal experience centers around Forster, RCBS and Redding we recognize that there are many other options as our viewers have commented below. We have no relationship with these companies and our current selection of dies should not be construed as an endorsement.
what's the benefit of using the mandrel die and why not use the forster neck/full length bushing sizing die?
Forster uses different bushings than the Redding dies and I have a whole collection of Redding bushings. Also, I've noticed that Forster dies will not push the shoulders back as far as the Redding dies - I've noticed this with .223, .308 and 6.5x47. However, Forster will bottom grind the die for you if it's an issue. Otherwise, Forster makes really nice dies.
thanks heaps Ed, that's been very helpful
Save some cash on a bushing type sizing die and get one from Harrels. send them 3 case that have been fired 3-4 times and they will match one to your chamber. Cheaper then redding or forester and matches your rifle. I also use L.E. wilson inline seaters vs. press type for all my really precise loads.
Thanks for sharing! Great advice!
Any plans on making a video comparing gas gun vs bolt?
What would interest you as far as a comparison?
Steve, I'm looking forward to a follow up video on why your going with a 308.
We have a video planned for the spring time frame. In short, we're going to .308 purely to compete in a different division of PRS (tactical division) - in part to show new guys to the sport that if you just have a .308 chambered rifle you can just bring what you have to a match and still have fun. Also there are a wide array of good .30 caliber bullet options today that didn't exist 3 years ago.
As a .308 lover myself, I'm really looking forward to seeing you go down this route. The .308 has been forgotten about since the 6.5 rounds have really picked up in popularity recently.
Can you elaborate on the bullet types for 30cal you noted below?
Dang, was hoping you guys had some Whidden dies to review as well.
We've heard good things. Just have not had a chance to try them.
I agree, I would like them to go with custom Whidden dies to compare to the Forster/Redding. It would be interesting to see the results...I'm torn between Whidden and Forster, I'll probably just go Forster.
Got the 308th like, should be a prize for that..: )
What about the competition dies by RCBS?
Haven't tried them yet, but we're willing to take a look
What is the oring for?
Why is Hornady dies never shown?
There is no doubt that Hornady offers high quality dies. Our choices reflect our preferences with respect to loading ammo for precision rifles. We typically prefer the ability to fine tune neck tension through interchangeable neck bushings and have gravitated towards using the Redding FL type-s resizing dies. We also prefer either Forster or Redding competition seating dies.
Okay, I have the Hornady match Grade bushing die and micrometer seater die. Is that good enough for Precision rifles?
Yes
U left 6.5 to go to .308?
We didn't leave 6.5. We shoot just about all calibers. We just happened to decide to compete in the tactical division in the PRS for the 2017 season. Next year we'll be running 6mms in the open division.
Is Ed losing weight? He's looking leaner.
Thanks for noticing. Two things: 1) I have cut out carbs and honestly don't miss them 2) No more beer - I'll have red wine with dinner 3) I've been traveling a lot and it really instills discipline because there is not a fridge you can run to throughout the day.
Good job sir!