Fish Ponds are Broken?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In 9 days you can get a full stack of items from a fishpond.
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FAQ:
Q: HOW?!
A: Animal Crackers double the output from a fish pond. If a fish pond doesn't produce an item, the previous day's produce will double instead. Keep on doubling and you end up with 999.
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Alexa's dupe sequence:
Step 1 - Find a specific spot in the pattern. This specific spot is "no roe, noe roe, roe".
Note down the current location of the fish pond [I use a stone owl] and be prepared to move specific quantities left and right [I place down paths to help with that]
Step 2 - Sleep Once
From here, the sleeping and the movement is consistent.
Step 3 - Move fish pond 4 to the right, sleep 10 times [safe to move one early]
Step 4 - Move fish pond back to stone owl, sleep 9 times [safe to move one early]
Step 5 - Move fish pond 3 to the right, sleep 11 times [not safe to move one early, if necessary move one left of stone owl for between 1 and 10 times and then continue to step 6 with the according amount of sleeps counted]
Step 6 - Move fish pond back to stone owl, sleep 12 times [safe to move one early]
Step 7 - Move fish pond 3 to the right, sleep 9 times [safe to move one early]
Step 8 - Move fish pond 4 to the left [1 to left of owl], sleep 9 times [safe to move one early]
Step 9 - Move fish pond 3 to the right [2 to right of owl], sleep 7 times [safe to move one late]
To optimally obtain roe, sleep 9 times in step 3 and then start collection. IMPORTANT - On any fish that isn't tiger trout, you need to fish out the extra breeding fish. Tiger trout is good to practice on since you don't need to, but it's critical that you do fish out the excess each time
2.3% chance of process failing by/on day 231, 8% by 298, 13% by 365 but it shouldn’t get that long.
concerned ape really got rid of clay farming only to accidentally introduce prismatic shard farming
With the predictor you can do both clay farming and prismatic shard farming on new RNG. Without the predictor, you can't do either of them on new RNG. But because of the legacy RNG setting, clay farming still lives.
Unfortunately for him, clay farming is still a thing.
@@lks19 its not unfortunate, he left it in as legacy on purpose
@@lks19 He did that on purpose 😂😂
"Do you want 1 prismatic shard or double it for the next day?"
Well technically you actually would always start with two
This comment doubled my prismatic shards and gave them all to Haley ☺️
@@MagicMonkey96 Now she can buy as many Pink Cakes as she wants. You didn't think this through enough.
Haley is overrated, give Penny the good life she always deserved. I BELIEVE IN PENNY SUPERIORITY@@MagicMonkey96
GIVE IT
Huge discovery for the 999 challenge
if only legendary fish was able to be puten in fish ponds for roe...
does he allow glitches?
@@mikkelborby Algo already used it for dragon tooths, so yeah. It still leaves a lot of stuff to do tho, so, you know, 999 challenge is not done yet :D
@@ignor_ what glitch did he do for dragon teeth?
@@sapphicseas0451probably this one (stingrays produce dragon teeth)
Robin: why is every farmer suddenly so obsessed with fish ponds??
I like the idea that robin just has knowledge of like a multiverse of farmers who all suddenly are obsessed with fishponds
i hope he never runs out of ways to break this game
Love that you are letting the Dev know. You're devious but honorable at the same time. :D
Noticing that my phone helpfully put "expositional growth" instead of "exponential growth" in the chat and now that's faithfully preserved in close-up video form. I suppose I should figure out what that even means.
ETA: I've decided "expositional growth" refers to trying to explain something, only to realize first you need to explain something else, only to realize before that you need to explain yet another thing, only to realize... and so on. See also: Kingdom Hearts.
I've never heard that ending stuck on the word "exposition", but my browser didn't think "expositional" is a typo. Maybe it's a nonstandard form. Seems like one misplaced letter can cause spell checks to throw out random words that share some letters, even when all I did was forget if one letter should be doubled.
@@Br3ttM Yeah, I regularly flummox it by having an 'e' instead of an 'a' or something. Best guess on sequence of events was I somehow messed up "exponential" enough in the middle it offered this, and being unaware "expositional" was even an option I only paid enough attention to notice it looked roughly right.
You see, the issue is that "exponential" is correct in this case. However, in the modern day, "grows exponentially" is ALWAYS used incorrectly. This means that you aren't allowed to use it correctly anymore, thus it got changed.
haha I actually noticed that comment! I presumed it was a joke, tbh 😅
@@DrZaius3141well, that's just how words work. They shift in meaning a lot sometimes. Nothing is set in stone when it comes to language
Blade always keeps finding ways to break the game...
Blade didn’t technically find this particular one but true
@@ReiaTheGeiahe didn't notice it but he did the code dive and found a consistent way to do it
@@navysaw23 that’s fair
Absolutely going to get patched ASAP, since it can happen on accident in casual play (albeit probably not with prismatic shards), but still very neat
probably wouldn’t be 999 in casual play, either, since you need 9 days in a row of the fish ponds producing nothing (and therefore redoubling), which is particularly unlikely since casual players will likely have more than one fish in there.
Plus, casual players wouldn’t know this will happen, so they’d just pick up the whole stack at once and leave nothing to double again. So even getting, say, 64 or 128 roe only happens if a casual player skips picking up roe for several days, and just so happens to get a string of “no produce” on those days.
@@elenna1237 The original bug was discovered by a casual player, when they got 128 roe from a single harvest. Keep in mind that 999 isn't the only standout value here; fish ponds can very easily end up with 4, 8 or 16 items in them, especially on casual saves where managing every single thing every single day is out of the realm of possibility.
Technically if you do it for long enough you would eventually have to fish out the tiger trout. Per the wiki: In the game code the spawn rate for Tiger Trout is set to 999999 meaning it could technically reproduce after that number of days. To reach that number of days in Stardew Valley would require over 8900 years of the game to be played.
alright who is brave enough to hibernate for 8000 years
The thumbnail immediately amused me greatly because I was there this morning (last night for your timezone I suppose) watching you make the thumbnail for this, and then you went with something completely different 😂 (I like it by the way, simple but to the point!)
I am using the new thumbnail testing feature. There are 3 potential thumbnails for the vid, and RUclips is swapping them out occasionally to see which one gets the best response
@@BlaDeSDV now im gonna be refreshing your channel to see them all lol
@@BlaDeSDV oh interesting!
i love how blade shows how easy it is to fix as well
just an "if" to an "else if" would also do it
Again , Blade proves he has a brain the size of a planet ! Sorry Marvin !
I love this game 😂 BlaDe might not always be the one to find glitches, but he sure can figure out how to exploit them.
Extremely accurate summary of BlaDe.
aw cmon guys we couldnt wait to discover this until 1.6 hit consoles???? cries in patch notes
Same buddy 😭
Man's filling the dangerously funny vaccume that has been left and I'm all here for it.
Nothing makes me feel smarter than when Blade asks a question and I get it right 😂 just me yelling maths answers at my tv
main reason this could get patched is since it can happen in regular gameplay - that's the whole reason it was discovered. It's alright if you're knowingly using the exploit, but a bit jarring if you suddenly get 128 roe for no apparent reason
Least broken stardew exploit discovery
Which tile of the fish pond has to be on a spot where a prismatic shard will be produced?
Top left
@@BlaDeSDV ohhhhh ty
i think it would be cool if concerned ape did one of those things where he keeps it in but nerfs it or acknowledges it, like maybe it would be x1.5 if it hadnt produced
Finally, the first time a fish pond has been worth it! (I have 17 on my farm, I have an addiction)
Reminds me of the Chinese story of the chessmaker and the Ruler . . . .
*I have a video idea request!* 💡
We know we can level all skills individually in one day, but what's the shortest amount of days you can level all of them at once?
I imagine this would be challenging to do since you can't make preparations using other skills and you also have to manage the space in the farm for skills strategies.
With the addition of skill books, you can do all the skills at once in one day since you can just make money and buy skill books from the cart
@@alexion3007 You know? I completely forgot about them. Still, the idea of doing the original method stays. You can even expand it by including full Mastery in the equation :P
@@alexion3007okay but you'll need to make heaps of money to buy a lot of them, and I don't think they all get offered every time? (I could be wrong). So that would still take some time.
@@mirjanbouma You can save the books in a chest. That's why I say about excluding them xP
@@AstorEzequiel ah I see! Okay yeah🙂
I think the way it would be balanced a bit more for a speedrun is disallow purchasing of perfection waivers or even limit the amount you can purchase. It allows you to skip some of the money grind without skipping things like walnut collecting or fishing
The perfection speedrun actually already has 3 sub categories for this! There's one where you don't do any joja things, one where you can use joja mart but not waivers, and one where you can use waivers. This will still be useful for the one where you can't do any joja things, but its biggest impact is on the waiverful perfection (also known as open perfection)
I absolutely loved the code walkthrough! So helpful to actually see what's going on. :D
I had a Lava Eel pond that had 230~roe when i finely checked it. Thinking roe built up till you harvested I left it for a few months to fine 2 roe, and was thinking it was a bug.
1m a day per fish pond, you can get around 60ish on a farm (idk), move them round every day and 60m a day. stonks
the moving could get difficult
With tiger slime eggs it's 4 million gold per day per fish pond!
It's pretty insane, I've been talking with Alexa and the options are just amazing and money is made trivial for anything playing lategame that doesn't ban it.
A little bit sad to see the end of golden chickens as best irl time cash, on the flip side, my farm is going to look absolutely crazy with walls of coops and a line of ponds running through it though.
He has broken this game like a geode at Clints
7:25 immediately reminded me of Game Grumps "I fired and then i missed. and then i fired. and i missed again."
Man I love totally intact Stardew
I never need to grind for cinder shards now either! The forge just got so much easier!
I looked up BlaDe randomly and a 3 minute old video lmao
This is actually insane. Such a cool Exploit
do the steps shown at 9:23 also work for non-roe items? For example, if I wanted to duplicate cinder shards with stingray, could I set up the fish pond with "no roe, no roe, cinder shard" and get cinder shards by moving it?
Yes. Once you have information from one fish pond for your save, you can use that for any item in any fishpond. You just have to work out where in the pattern you are and go from there.
You couldn't set it up with no roe, no roe, cinder shard. The initial probing needs to use a fish pond at population 1 that doesn't have a chance of producing nothing. Stingrays can produce nothing, and so they wouldn't be a 100% reliable probe. However, once you've done the probing and know where in the rng you are you can switch in any other item.
For example, what you could do:
Day -2 No Roe
Day -1 No Roe
Day 0 Roe
Days 1-20 filled up a stingray fish pond, waited to get cinder shard
Day 21: Got a cinder shard! According to the pattern, on day 21 you've slept 1 time in step 5 and the fish pond should be 3 to the right. You move it there, and continue the process from there in step 5
@@alexion3007 That should work, thanks
I wonder how fast this will get patched. There's no way this stays in the game much longer right?
See, if you have 10 fish in your fish pond (which the vast majority of people would, especially with an golden animal cracker spent on it) there's only a 5% chance of doubling it every night. This means that the numbers are gonna stay low and it won't be a large impact. The very fact that it's been in the game since the update came out and only now did we discover it means that the impact on casual play is very very limited. It makes it a question of if speedruns do want to use it, and if CA cares strongly about it.
I doubt it'll stay. Its easy enough for casual players to stumble into the glitch. It happened to me in my 1.6 playthrough, though only with 32 roe. I was confused but figured there was a "jackpot" roe amount or something and never looked it up.
Players: Fish ponds need an upgrade
ConcernedApe: say no more
Please don't watch my 7 hour speedrun it's very slow, it's mainly there to demonstrate the route. I also want to make it clear - the run is seeded, because the specific route relies on getting lucky with the traveling cart for skill books for mastery. It's a 1/1750 rng check that you can a) route differently to lower it [I already know of a 1/300ish different route] and b) probe early [that 1/300ish different route can probe till like 70% before doing the winter foraging]. But technically it isn't an unseeded run. All the fish pond bullying is unseeded though :)
(also if anybody wants to see just how powerful it can get ... 40 million gold per day / real life minute sound good to you? ruclips.net/video/RqiU75JqULA/видео.html)
babe wake up BlaDe just posted a new video 😮
Actually you can get 1 297 400 from the prizzies, because gemologist affects them.
an excellent argument. unfortunately, tiger slime egg.
@@misirtere9836 I did not argue against tiger slime egg, just issued a correction, and if you can somehow reach perfection before unlocking ginger island, you can get 1.3m daily, which is less than 4m, but probably more than anything else.
I gotta get fishponds... brb
That literally feels like Stardew version of double it and give it to the next person ( ╹▽╹ )
Honestly, blade is one of the best RUclipsrs I’m subscribed too. Though I’m still wondering how he finds all the seeds that he uses in his seeded runs
He and I think one other have made seed finders which are available on several of the SDV discords. They are anything but user friendly, but do help if you can sort out how to use em
Nice to hear you like animal well lol
I wonder is this gonna fix in a small update or it is gonna be in the game
Blade post always has me hyped.
I just got irrationally excited that you uploaded!
I would not say it being in the code is enough to say it is not a glitch.
Most glitches are based upon something being in the code. Either something unintended getting through or strange edge cases.
I would say this falls into that category. When you test it you would see the output is there and test it is doubled.
You wouldn't normally leave it in there and see it double again.
*exponential fish noises*
This is incredible... Keep up the amazing work!
i think he would have to remove it since this seems super likely to happen to any player that might forget about a fish pond for a couple days. if it was more out of the way then I could see a reason to argue to keep it
Hopefully the fix (there's no way it doesn't happen) is just a cap at 500 or something, you'd need 750 of the item to even begin infinite duplication, and the process would be harder while keeping the use cases.
Also question: does leaving the stack continue to add xp or does the amount stored reset each day? Getting 90k xp to hit all 5 masteries seems REALLY funny
Even at 500 you can do infinite duplication, it’s just slower (250 items a day) than it would be at 999
@@titaniadioxide6133 yeah exactly, if the exploit had a cap of 2 it'll work, but 500 is a good mix of "have to put effort into it, still get it."
That would ... not really be a fix. There's a trivial fix to completely remove the duplication and I see no reason CA would simply make it harder while leaving it in.
Also, XP-wise you only get xp when you harvest the last item and the amount of xp is the value of a single item, unfortunately.
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I would leave it as is, but make it so if you move the pound, it will be reset the next day, still somewhat exploitable, but a fair limit, I think, and either a gamble, or a nice surprise for more casual players
Does this mean that you could have made more money are your year one min max
I haven't done a 1 year min max. It's up to whoever does the run to decide if they would use it. Casino gave stupid amounts of money previous patches but runners decided to not use it
Blade, any ideas on how to get the purple pets in the files? The cat and dog specifically since you can just buy the turtle right now. Apparently no one figured it out yet, but you're the code goat so let us know if they're completely unobtainable. ;)
Unobtainable unfortunately
@@BlaDeSDV Oh alright, thank you sm.
Ah, this code is fantastic 😅
This is something that can happen in casual gameplay. I can see why they would fix this.
Also I 100% see this as a glitch. Due to a mistake in the code the items are doubled every day under certain conditions. Unless Concerned Ape says that was actually intentional, then that’s a glitch.
Wouldn’t be nearly as broken in casual play, though. You need 9 days in a row of the fish ponds producing nothing (and therefore redoubling), which is particularly unlikely since casual players will likely have more than one fish in there. Also it would be pretty unlikely to happen with prismatic shards on accident.
Plus, casual players wouldn’t know this will happen, so they’d just pick up the whole stack at once and leave nothing to double again. So even getting, say, 64 or 128 roe only happens if a casual player skips picking up roe for several days, and just so happens to get a string of “no produce” on those days.
that being said, I do agree that “no produce means double the previous day’s produce instead” is likely to be unintentional
@@elenna1237 I don't know how BD defines glitches versus exploits, but this is a situation where a check for whether or not the player gets an item needs to fail in order for the player to get even more items than if it'd succeeded.
To say with certainty that something like this is intended or unintended is always mind reading, but it'd definitely be _way_ out of step with the game's other easter eggs.
What was the glitch with the casino?
Not a glitch, but you can double or nothing calicoJack to get billions of qi coins. Then you could trade them for stacks and stacks of farm warp totems to throw in the shipping bin for easy g. As of 1.6 you can only buy 20 items per day
@@BlaDeSDV ohh ok :) i never played much with the casino. Only enough for the scarecrow. Never thought of exploiting it
You could also use the item glitch to boost yourself to mastery with books 📕 😂 “[PurpleBook]” to get book of stars which adds a small amount of xp to all skills still not requiring any mods
I was wondering why when I started my stingray ponds I was getting way too much roe
speedrun strat?
requires mastery (for golden animal crackers) so unlikely to be useful for anything but perfection% (also the mods are still debating if it’s allowed in glitchless)
Well that's a fun one! nice discovery.
I LOVE video game numbers.
i'm absolutely devastated that this will most likely be patched long before 1.6 is released on console
This seems exceedingly complicated, I dunno how this could ever happen during normal play. I've got quite a few ponds, never once have I gotten a full stack. Do you need to be on that legacy random setting thingie?
There's a couple of things that are stopping this from happening during normal play.
#1: Near-Empty Fish Ponds. The chance of duplication falls the more fish that are in the fish pond; what's a 77% chance of doubling at 1 fish population lowers to a 5% chance of doubling at 10 population. So that's already a big inhibitor. Furthermore, for optimal doubling unless you're using tiger trout you need to fish out the fish every time it breeds because otherwise the chance lowers.
#2: Not collecting. You need to leave the fish pond uncollected for the chance at doubling.
#3: Low probability. On new RNG, there's a consistent 7% chance and on legacy RNG every 22ish days there will be a 12ish streak of doubling followed by a 10ish streak of double, not double (and reset). What is required is using legacy RNG for the pattern; there is no pattern to RNG on new RNG but on legacy there is
@@alexion3007 Ok so the pond needs to be near empty, that seems very backwards.
And once I do get say a prismatic shard, I let it sit there.
And yes to the old rng then? You can switch between those at will, yeah? Or is it only at new game?
@@gossamera4665 Unless you edit the save file, only on new game. Getting special items relies on full population, so you would need to leave it at 10, get a prismatic shard, then fish it down to 1. I would recommend actually using the pattern or the predictor and not just letting it sit there, though, as with how rare prizzies are it's not a good idea to just hope.
@@alexion3007 Yeah that just seems like a whole lot of work, might as well just change my name to the item number. But thank you for a detailed explanation.
İs it Working on normal? Or only the legacy thing (sorry for my English)
Is a farm map available to show where the ponds need to be placed for this to work?
I had no idea one could animal craer a pond
Did they remove dynamic seeding? I doesnt seem to work even with legacy randomisation turn on.
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If I'm going to go through all this effort, I'll just use the CJB Item Spawner mod lol
this isnt really meant for casual play i think, mostly speedrunning id imagine
Will this (in theory) work on console once the update is released, assuming it isn’t specifically patched? Is there a way to check what the tile will give you with the fish pond?
So switch has its own rng but as I've recently figured out clay farming on the switch I could also get a fish pond farming pattern working, but since 1.6.9 will patch it odds are very high the first console version will have this glitch patched.
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The thing about the casino exploit is it's a lot less popular and well known than something like renaming yourself after items. It makes it feel a lot less like a fun unintended feature and more like a glitch. I wonder if that's why it was removed even though Concerned Ape usually intentionally leaves things like that in the game.
Going based on my own thought process around what the difference between the two is, my guess is it's likely a combo of accessibility and the name item ids being a lot more 'meta' than the casino. The casino being an unlimited money-maker breaks the illusion of Stardew being a real little world and reminds you that it's a video game-- plus it's something an average player could reasonably figure out, and it's very easy to do once you're aware of it. By comparison, if you're using the name id exploit, that's a very intentional decision you're going out of your way to make, and is the kind of thing where if you're doing it, it's because you /want/ to break the game and have fun messing around.
Additionally, for some players- even if they don't actually use it- just knowing about something like the casino exploit can suck the fun of playing normally because doing things the 'hard' way can feel a lot less gratifying and worth it if you know that at any time you could just go and make as much money as you want. Especially when so much of Stardew's late-game revolves around making money to buy things like the obelisks, return scepter, gold clock, etc. Before the update, I was at that point in my game and I intentionally avoided learning the specifics of the casino exploit because I knew that the temptation hanging over my head would have potentially caused my enjoyment to suffer.
how did you got the game's source?
oh man this is almost viable for lowpercent, if only it didnt require mastery
What there is disassembly of entire stardew???
Wait you missed the bookseller
How long til this gets patched lol
Stil works? Just make fish pond ?
Yeah i know Ape is fine with many small exploits but this GOTTA be fixed. This kind of thing will ruin the game for many people
Well, you kinda have to do it deliberately for it to be really broken. If you just harvest your fish ponds as normal nothing like this will happen.
@@elenna1237well, as we saw in the video it does happen by accident sometimes
@@somenameidk5278 Sometimes, sure. But the true power only comes from getting a 10 fish pond reward and fishing it down to 1. If you get 128 lava eel roe (I think that's the most valuable roe) that's 40k. Not nothing, sure, but you can just chalk it down to a jackpot from the fish pond and since you're post mastery 40k isn't going to be everything
@@somenameidk5278 Sure, if you have only a small number of fish in the pond, and you don’t harvest the pond for several days in a row,sometimes you’ll randomly get 32 or 64 or 128 roe (but also pretty often you’ll just get a few roe and you’ll have lost several days worth of produce). But that’s not *that* much money, and I do think it’s pretty nice for golden animal crackers to sometimes give a big jackpot for fun.
Wait, did you say it does or doesn't work in 1.6.x?
It works on every 1.6 version currently released
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I can... I can give my cat some fish?
I pet it while holding fish. I didn't actually give it fish.
BlaDe try to to break stardew vally challenge (impossible)
is this 1.6?
You should speedrun all of the recipes in the cookbook
Did this get patched yet?
The current stardew valley version is still 1.6.8, and this works on that version (and all previous 1.6 versions)
did it get patched?
It will be patched once 1.6.9 is out, but right now it isn't out.
Does it also work if you fish down to 0?
No. CurrentOccupants needs to be greater than 0
I am early
Não entendi nada kkkkkkk
I play on PlayStation so, 🧢
TL;DR
Yes.
take a bath in the fish pond lil bro use shampoo
just wemod smh.
That's fixed already, sorry cheaters)
? it literally isn't though.
@@alexion3007 It is
@@Gypsy2149 It 100% factually is not. It still works on the latest version (1.6.8) and while it will be patched in the next version (1.6.9) that hasn't come out yet. There's been zero stardew valley updates in the last month. If you're on new rng then yeah my pattern doesn't work, but using the predictor still would
@@alexion3007 I've did every single step one by one and does not work to 999, the limit is 40, and after you sleep again it resets 40 to 2 (????), i've tried 2 times and this is how far goes.
@@Gypsy2149 Resetting from 40 to 2 makes sense; that means that it produced something new. However I've got a couple of questions:
1) Are you on new RNG or legacy RNG? If you didn't specifically select legacy RNG when creating the save file, my pattern wouldn't work. You'd have to use blade's predictor instead
2) how are you determining your initial position? Are you following that part as well?
Because I can 100% confirm this still works
I was looking for ways to farm the dragon tooth 🧐🥲 but it sounds too exploitative 😅 quicker way to get the ginger island obelisk if I could do this with a stingray, and the crafting items too.