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I love Danny’s alliterations. When Simon nails them he always scoffs and mocks them. When he messed them up he always says something like why do you do this to me, Danny?
Dang! Danny's dedicated and determined to provide delightfully daring yet dastardly alliterations. Dauntless, diligent, dazzling, take a deep dive into the demeanor of a dapper dear Danny's alliterations.
I think Danny also knows that Simon has no trouble in pronouncing a hard C or K. General question: if we know what fricatives and plosives are, what do you call that?
When I was a kid my parents bought us a karaoke machine with a built-in dual cassette deck so you could record your own singing with backing tracks. My sister and I used it to make a tape of us making monster sounds over a tape of a local radio station. Then we told our 5 year old younger sister the monsters were coming through the radio to get her. She was terrified, but in retrospect she would've believed anything and what we did was really mean. I'm sure glad our stupid prank didn't become a town-wide hoax or an urban legend I'd find RUclips videos about decades later 😂
FYI, Back in the early 80's there was no task manager. If you did the three-fingered salute (Control+Alt+Delete) the computer would reboot. There was no dialog asking if you really mean it, it just rebooted.
@finchisneat Danny writes for another channel (Brain Blaze), where it is a running joke that Simon keeps him chained up in the basement. When Simon forgets to feed him, he has to eat the mushrooms that grow from the radiator.
I read the title, excitedly clicked, and immediately saw your comment. Cryptic computer messages…my name is Danny…thank you for making me genuinely believe that the end was finally here 🥲
@@leighpowell1062I'm considering printing 'Keep Danny Shackled' t-shirts in response to the 'Free Danny' movement. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make (on Danny's behalf) for the edification of the fans.
Simon: Mocks Americans for their lack of geographical knowledge outside America. Also Simon: Doesn't know the location of anything north of Watford Gap sevices. Never change, Fact Boy, never change.
What with name changes in the last 100 years of many nations and owners/ rulers sometimes u get it wrong like Peking or siam look on a map happy hunting unless it's pre 50s Cities die people move rulers charge like we have 50 states millions of cities town villages and the worlds peoples from all nations of all religions faiths and pronouns we have city laws county law state laws federal law mans law God's law it's more than confusing and who cares it's all lies anyway history is a perspective religion is evil and skin colors change with in a nation within a society & within a family. One race, one planet one chance at life
This reminds me so much about something a school mate and I used to do, which was penpal books. We made up fictional characters, who would get in contact with each other through a trans-dimensional penpal agency and wrote each other letters about their lives. Each book had a different set of characters. It was a lot of fun. 😅
6:42 we lived with close friends for a few years, it was super fun! We had big meals together most nights, and it was fun just hanging out with the tv together or chilling in a bedroom together, without having to arrange it all. The “family unit” of two adults and kids is pretty weird in terms of human history, and having friends, grandparents, and other people live with you was very common in most of human history (and still is in some cultures). We found it reduced our stress because we had a bit more (voluntary!) support with the kids, and everyone had people to vent to when worried/grumpy, and it obviously makes the bills cheaper too! But I couldn’t do it with random strangers, only family or friends who are close enough to be like family.
My family was one of the “multi generational” households for awhile; 6 years. And it was a help. But then it also caused problems eventually. We all live separately now…
@Sarahelton4261That's really not so uncommon, my family was similar to what you've described but after time we've basically grown and lived through a few deaths and I feel we just sorta strayed over time. I definitely miss those days but see why things are this way. Wishing families Peace here✌️
When 19 I moved to a multiracial.male/ female collective I a large converted 19 th centuryansipn The founder supported the zBlack Panther.Party though we supported other organizations as well. Most of us had outside jobs but also internal responsibilities. All drugs or illegal was verboten..My first week living there I had to snitch on an attractive lady. This turned out to be a test ..my probation there was shortened. Jobs included kitchen, cleaning, administrative, vehicles and maintenance. Couples got one large room instead of small one. Meals served early and late due to jobs. Kids were raised by all in reality. A little over 2 years there my new girlfriend ( she did not live there) and I moved to Chicago. I never missed politics in DC but I did miss the way I had lived and many of the people Politics gave birth to the collective but also ended it. Progressive politics encompassed toosny variables Most did not want to touch gay liberation or support anti- abortion. There was unity per Vietnam and non-white liberation but when you had local Muslim groups murdering each other and the SDS spinning off Weathermen hostilities arose and discipline and responsibilities slackened. Police and possible FBI surveillance did not help. Rather than unifying the Police facilitated disintegration By that time I had been gone year😮 and did not have to witness
Simon: curious and patient enough to look up antedeluvian. Also Simon: too impatient to scroll down to the second definition, which would fit the context perfectly. Learns nothing. Heh Just ribbing you. Love the humor and modesty you regularly bring to the very well written content.
I first saw the word in a 9th grade literature book when I was 14 in '60. Even then it was footnoted at the bottom of the page, meaning as old as the hills. So if it was archaic then, imagine what it must be now. Must have been some 19th century pundit's (of the Van Snoot ilk) idea of being clever by saying something in Latin to obscure it's meaning to the "hoi polloi"; i.e. regular folks, when "before the Great Flood" would do just fine. Even then, I had a feeling I was beingb B.S.'ed
I like how Simon doesn't discourage kids from viewing his content. For the most part anyway. He's well aware a kid could be out doing a lot worse things than watching an explicit but informative video.
Why should kids be discouraged from learning about historical things that happened? The more you can learn as a kid, the better! In that early Phase the brain is capable of learning extremely fast! Teach your children as much as possible when they are young. Educate them on all topics possible.
amazing that nobody have yet pointed out that CERTAIN computers as early as 1985 could send files between each other by phone line and modem, and it was certainly possible that someone was playing a trick on him from another computer... it just wasn't called "internet" then
It's amazing that you're dumb enough you missed the part where these models of computer were physically incapable of that, it was entirely closed system, 0 ability to send or recieve anything, basically a fancy calculator
@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt No, technically seabreeze9296 is correct. You could have a BBC Model B connected up via a telephone to an acoustic coupler and have access to BBS sites and the like. Teletext was possible on the BBC Micro and the graphics modes included a teletext system. The 'internet' was JUST possible back them. The movie "War Games" from 1984 shows this... with a 1976 IMSAI! However, the modem was huge, the phone had to be physically plugged in - it would be obvious - and you were charged crazy money in phone bills. The 'internet' back then would be OBVIOUS. In this case... there was no modem.
@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt How do you know that? ALso BBC Micro's were known for Econet, a type of LAN, so how are to to know there was "totally incapable" of network ability.
Simon you big brain! It’s the Society for PSYCHICAL (sai-ki-kl) Research, not to be confused with physical research. Expanded pronunciation guide for more English words Danny. Didn’t you Brits invent the language? Love your work Simon, don’t ever quit.
I felt this was really fun and creative, even if it was a mundane prank. That’s a lot of really speculative thinking at a time when home computers barely existed.
What a fun journey this was, once the UFOlogist got involved I knew things were going to get very stupid. (Also audio levels are so much better now, I can understand Simon super clearly over the background music.)
I haven't watched this video yet but just wanted to share that I'm glad this story has popped up on the interwebs. In a really weird coincidence, I met one of the chaps involved with this case, Peter Trinder, who had also been a teacher at my mum's school when she went there, and he told us all about this story. It was the first I ever heard of it. On holiday in 2012 back in the village where I went to school, and where my mum had also gone to school, we went and sat in the lounge of the residential library where we were staying (I know all of these details are extremely random!) and this old chap got talking to us. I knew I recognised his name from my mum mentioning it and so we struck up a very pleasant conversation, and that's when he told us about this. I was becoming fascinated by computers at the time and so that's probably how we got around to the subject. Whether or not it was a hoax, Mr Trinder was insistent that he had not been in on it and was genuinely baffled by how this could have come about if it wasn't a hoax. I'm looking forward to hearing Simon's theories on this odd situation and his sceptical mockery of it all 😆 I very much enjoy your channels, Simon, and particularly enjoy Danny's scripts, nice one both!
Hello peeps, i just wanted to say that i had a similar paint problem when i moved to an old house where the bedroom was painted with old 50+ years old oil paint patterns on the walls and the paint had some zinc and other particles in it to make it more vibrant, i painted over the pattern like 7 times and it still showed trough, eventually i had to scrape off the walls till i removed the old paint and then some basically almost to the bricks to get rid of the damn paint patterns showing trough.
I’m local to Hawarden (pronounced Hard-en) or to give it its Welsh name Penarlâg and also work about 4 miles away from Dodleston but have never heard this story. My auntie would’ve worked as a teacher at Hawarden high school at the same time as this Ken Webster so I’ll be sure to ask her about the mystery man when I next see her. I’ll report back with what I find out if she’s able to shed any light on the subject.
Please do update us on if you find out if a Ken Webster actually taught at that high school. Maybe someone in the town has an old yearbook still? It'd be cool to figure out if this Ken guy is made up too and it was all the Ufo nut. Maybe see if he still lives in the area too.
@@isaacwainwright5895 hahaha no the government haven’t got me. But ngl I just completely forgot to ask my Auntie and your reply has just reminded me about all this 🤣 she’s on holiday currently so I’ll be sure to ask her in about about this in about a week or so when she’s back!
I love Simon's complete no sell of all of this. The first time I heard this story was from a believer of many things and the Simon version is just such a refreshing bombardment of using your brain.
His retelling is entirely inaccurate, its just as bs and untrustworthy to get the story from someone who's across the board so arrogant as to implicitly dosmiss anything "supernatural" as it is to get your info from someone like Joe Rogan who believes everything, they are both just as incapable of any level of critical thought
Of course. It makes perfect sense that a 16th century ghost who thinks electric lights are of the devil, yet knows how to type a message on a computer. What a total crock.
You didn't pay attention and just make yourself sound like a dork. First of all, he was not a ghost but a real, living person, just in a different timeline. Second, he wasn't typing the messages, he spoke into a "lightbox" which acted as a voice-to-text device.
I'm only 19 minutes in so far, but I'm very solidly leaning towards someone in town has a key to the place who doesn't like the idea of outsiders. In quieter, more trusting towns, giving a neighbour or friend the key to your house so they can check in on things if they don't see you for ages, put the mail/newspapers inside, water plants, feed pets, etc while you're on holidays, etc. Or just have a key so when you lose yours and get home, you can get a spare key from someone who's been safeguarding it. Often these go for years without being used. My parents recently found one such key in the bottom of a box of electronics, and have no idea as to its origin and so disposed of it. My theory is the person who sold the place moved on without remembering that key, and the newcomers didn't change the locks (probably should when you move in to a new place, but not everyone does). The neighbour with the key has, for whatever reason, decided to mess with them. Oh, and the paint footprints always showing up in the same place? I would probably do that with some kind of solvent or grease - I'm sure there are some chemicals that are odorless that paint does not stick to. That way, the footprints reappear in the same place - they haven't been reapplied, they just shed the paint off.
Man, I'd hate to see Simon team up with Shane on a ghost hunt, poor Ryan would be annihilated by their incessant mockery, dripping sarcasm, and general contempt for the irrational ridiculous belief in ghosts and all things supernatural 😭👻🧟♂️🧛
The BBC computer was very 80's and one has to remember the first search engine didn't come out until around 1990. The BBC computer was ok for emails and writing letters, it also had a database and as you mentioned a spread sheet function. It was very primitive in function and design. But it was a thing of it's time, that being a time where computer's were the new thing on the must have lost for Christmas gift for children.
I had a girlfriend at the University of Wisconsin named Mary, and she had one of those "light boxes"! When we made it light up, we were transported back to the 1500's and into the future instantaneously! 😂
I’ve got a friend who swears that she’s time travelled, albeit against her will and at random. It’s incredibly annoying because she 100% believes that she has and tries to tell me about it sometimes. I try to ignore it the best I can and tell her it’s all in her head in the nicest way possible, people don’t like it when you insist that it’s just their mental illness
Hooo boy, that'sa challenge alright. What are some of the things she claims? We used to have a friend who briefly began leading a club of sorts and claiming she and her boyfriend were once a medieval king and queen _(how glamorous and convenient!),_ and most of the group members were once their loyal subjects _(__#NotACult__.)_ And of course some of their medieval enemies were among our extended friend group now _(so ostracized the people she doesn't like!)_ It took years to recognize that she wasn't just grappling with anxiety, wasn't just being manipulative or spinning a story for escapism (she loved being a LARP storyteller), she actually _genuinely 100% believed that crap sometimes._ Really made us question how many of her claims about her incompetent, shitty roommate were true, but it was too late to do anything to help. We got cut out of their lives. My best friend lost their longest-running, nearing two-decades-long friendship to the weirdness too. It was as weird as it was devastating.
As someone with a history PhD that has had to read documents from the sixteenth century, it is excruciatingly obvious that the words used by the "ghost" is a modern person trying to imitate what they think someone from the sixteenth century would have used. Never mind the fact that English spelling was not formalized in anyway nor was grammar styling - even for a person with an education or "degree from Jesus College." Seriously, even some documents in the nineteenth century are painful to read, but anything from before 1700 is just torture.
When I was getting my English degree, I wanted to do a paper on 16th-17th century English. After about a week, I changed my mind. I wanted something challenging but that was just torture after a week.
Have you read the unedited messages? I can read 1500's English photographic reprints easier than gen z twitter slang, certainly. The messages seemed reasonably accurate but I'm no expert.
Someone I knew had a lodger. The lodger started taking out loans and credit cards in the home owners name and because he lived in the correct address the home owner only found out when a bank contacted him about his rejected 25k loan. By the time the lid was opened the lodger had taken out 60k in loans and credit cards and refused to leave the property. Don’t know how it all ended, lost contact with the home owner as it was being investigated. But knowing the uk legal system nothing I imagine
Back in 1990, I took three of my students to Best Buy to help me buy my first computer. I and two of the students were talking to the salesman when I noticed the third kid was going from computer to computer. We left shortly after, and I could hear most of the computers whirling as we walked by them. It was early on for home computers and Best Buy, and they didn't have the computers PW protected. Most (two rows) of the computers were in the process of a hard drive formating.
Thomas was indeed a ghost. He did want to write a book, but when he tried to his hand went right through the pen, he felt rather silly after that. No book ever written.
57:29 - 57:36 Hi, English Literature major here. In the USA, vowels are taught to us as being “Aa, Ee, Ii, Oo, Uu, and sometimes Yy.” In most instances Yy is used as a vowel. IDK if it’s the same overseas, however.
I tend to be a bit gullible when it comes to "out of this world" possibilities, but even I was right there with Simon, the whole way, thinking "Totally a hoax." A fun listen, though, thanks Danny and Simon! btw, another great time travel book for anyone interested is Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book." Highly recommended!
11.22.63 is one of my favorite time travel books, and I love time travel books. I can also strongly recommend Jack Finney's Time and Again. I'm with Stephen King; this is one of the greatest of the genre.
I started writing a time travel story, never finished, but making plausible guesses about evolution of technology and language was something I tried. For example, instead of "gigs" they'd say "pets" (petabytes), instead of unlocking a door, they'd "palm in".
Sounds to me like a very early ARG. Kinda like how you get those twitter/youtube accounts that "document" creepy goings on like TheSunVanished or Petscop. This was just pre-internet.
Seems very similar to a 1980's episode of the Twlight Zone: "a message from charity" which aired in 1985. Very similar premise, so I guess it's possible that the ufo guy saw that and just added a computer to the mix.
As somebody who has literally written the book on in-credible stories, I see the fingerprints of something similar to my own lame efforts in this and I agree with you guys, it sounds very much like a construct of this Gary Rowe character. I'd never stopped once during previous videos on this subject to consider the possibility that Ken and Debby hadn't been verified as real people. Vertical Plane is in my Amazon wish list but never plucked up the enthusiasm to actually buy it.
The People from the future DO seem rather impressed by Gary. I'm surprised there was nothing about, how all the Women in 2109 want him and the all the men want to be like him 😄
When I was in high school we made the startup sound on Windows 95/98 a combination of barnyard noise and grunting dudes from porn movies. One of the guys in my group of friends was in AV club, giving us access to some really fun toys. Once we set loaded the wave file we would crank the sound, turn the machine off, then sit and wait across the library from where the computers sat.
A webster was an old occupational term for a female weaver (actually probably something closer to webbester or webbestre) in Middle English, in case anyone is interested (also surnames like Baxter "female baker" and Brewster "female brewer" were derived in this way too). Maybe old Gary was spinning an old wives' tale...
I try to listen these as they are released and but I am a few behind. But I have waited for the Dodleston Messages since finding this channel. It gets to jump in line for first listen.
7:30 I was doing some painting one time, and one of the walls had a bunch of phone numbers scrawled on the wall next to the phone. Some of the ink bled right through the paint, no matter how many coats you put on (actually, it was probably only three, since I gave up and scraped down till I removed the original ink, but it was showing no signs of fading out any time soon). So I’d assume that something similar was going on here.
I will have to say that in 1980…. We didn’t use floppy drives. We saved things on a cassette tape, that sounded like recording a fax machine for a long time. Hard for people to wrap their minds around sometimes! 🤯
57:46 The BBC micro B has EcoNet a network interface that could be used for chat and disc file sharing. However this would need a hard wired cable plugged in to the back. At a computer show in the 80's we spoofed an advanced computer chat program using Econet and a hidden BBC micro.
Yeah that's one of the leading theories I've seen in other places as to how the messages got there. There was supposedly a chip that could transmit a very short range wireless signal too, so you could in theory send messages to the one BBC micro wirelessly. If you didn't know what you where looking for inside the computer, you could miss the chip and it'd let someone else in that tiny little town send messages to it. Someone else, like perhaps a UFO nutcase living in the area.
9:27 "...used to KEEP worms in a matchbox..." ok, ok... I had to listen to it a few times over to realize it, but I swear I thought Simon was saying "...used to BE worms in a matchbox..." and I was wondering what happened to Danny for him to think so highly of the other neighbor kids lol
I remember the BBC computer, my Dad had one. Love the shout out for Chuckie Egg too. I remember reading about this in the Fortean Times. I thought that if it wasn't one of the people in the house, there was probably a spare key with someone in the village.
This reminds me of a novel I read when I was a teenager. At the end of that novel (which also had ghosts communicating from another place and time) it turned out that the main character was schizophrenic, and that it was actually him (his other self) that would do all the things the ghost did. For a moment, as this story progressed I thought we were going for such a resolution around Debby.. Allegedly!
I bring up the “half your age plus 7” thing and people look at me like I’m stupid or that I just made it up. I thought it was a universal rule everyone knew.
There was something called Prestel available for the BBC Micro and it did use a modem. Think old fashioned teletext block graphics and text. My school had it but we were rarely allowed to use it, only for teachers.
1984 was the year Apple introduced the "Macintosh", the first graphical user interface computer. Home computers in general had been around for almost 10 years, and while not in every home, were reasonably common.
So I can't be the only one who heard the first message was signed by L. W. and was like "Wow, Kin, way to be uncreative when coming up with initials that were totally not related to yours."
Fell asleep so this gem and woke up an hour and a half into the Albert Fish episode of The Casual Criminalist 😳. Never falling asleep with AutoPlay Next on or falling asleep again...
I'm usually quite picky about language, but I wouldn't have a problem using the word 'choices' in that context. If you choose item 1, that is your choice. If you choose item 2, that is your choice, so they are both potential choices.
Don't underestimate the ability of old people to prank. When I was in college, I got itno a one-sided prank war with neighborhood annoying Nazi who my family was unfortunate enough to live next to. A seventy-something bigot with an absurd amount of money, who throuhgt it was a good use of her time to decorate my car like a cake, glue bread to it, and other stupid shit. (She woudl cover my car hood with bread and I would just flip the slices onto her lawn every morning so I would frisbee them back onto her lawn every morning before I left for college. So she started glueing them. It was stupid, irritating, and kinda pathetic when you think of it.
My great grandfather was apparently from Chester England. I stopped doing the genealogy research when I got to him because he was a coal miner named John Price … There were like John Prices 3 per block.
We had some of these BBC computers when I was at primary school, I think I remember this story as well. Wasn't it on that 90's TV show? Strange But True I think it was called.
Could also be some sort of rot that just happens to have that shape. It would then breach the paint each night because it needs air exposure for its spores to be released.
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I love Danny’s alliterations. When Simon nails them he always scoffs and mocks them. When he messed them up he always says something like why do you do this to me, Danny?
Dang! Danny's dedicated and determined to provide delightfully daring yet dastardly alliterations. Dauntless, diligent, dazzling, take a deep dive into the demeanor of a dapper dear Danny's alliterations.
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@@Nefville I almost did it first try
I think Danny also knows that Simon has no trouble in pronouncing a hard C or K.
General question: if we know what fricatives and plosives are, what do you call that?
When I was a kid my parents bought us a karaoke machine with a built-in dual cassette deck so you could record your own singing with backing tracks. My sister and I used it to make a tape of us making monster sounds over a tape of a local radio station. Then we told our 5 year old younger sister the monsters were coming through the radio to get her. She was terrified, but in retrospect she would've believed anything and what we did was really mean. I'm sure glad our stupid prank didn't become a town-wide hoax or an urban legend I'd find RUclips videos about decades later 😂
FYI, Back in the early 80's there was no task manager. If you did the three-fingered salute (Control+Alt+Delete) the computer would reboot. There was no dialog asking if you really mean it, it just rebooted.
Oh, good, Danny recovered from eating the bad radiator mushrooms.
Lol whats a radiator mushroom?? 🤨🤔
@finchisneat Danny writes for another channel (Brain Blaze), where it is a running joke that Simon keeps him chained up in the basement. When Simon forgets to feed him, he has to eat the mushrooms that grow from the radiator.
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Danny, I missed you
Danny is in the basement...
Oh yeah
Dannys escape from the basement is over
I read the title, excitedly clicked, and immediately saw your comment.
Cryptic computer messages…my name is Danny…thank you for making me genuinely believe that the end was finally here 🥲
@@leighpowell1062I'm considering printing 'Keep Danny Shackled' t-shirts in response to the 'Free Danny' movement.
It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make (on Danny's behalf) for the edification of the fans.
Simon: Mocks Americans for their lack of geographical knowledge outside America.
Also Simon: Doesn't know the location of anything north of Watford Gap sevices.
Never change, Fact Boy, never change.
Anything north of Prague
Anything 10 miles plus from where he lives he has no idea about 😂
What with name changes in the last 100 years of many nations and owners/ rulers sometimes u get it wrong like Peking or siam look on a map happy hunting unless it's pre 50s
Cities die people move rulers charge like we have 50 states millions of cities town villages and the worlds peoples from all nations of all religions faiths and pronouns we have city laws county law state laws federal law mans law God's law it's more than confusing and who cares it's all lies anyway history is a perspective religion is evil and skin colors change with in a nation within a society & within a family. One race, one planet one chance at life
His entire "personality" is just disrespect and arrogant condescension with absolutely 0 right or justification to such behavior
This reminds me so much about something a school mate and I used to do, which was penpal books. We made up fictional characters, who would get in contact with each other through a trans-dimensional penpal agency and wrote each other letters about their lives. Each book had a different set of characters. It was a lot of fun. 😅
This sounds absolutely amazing!
A great idea to remember for the time I will have kids!
That sounds really awesome!
Sudden flash. I used to do that too. I forgot all about them.
That sounds fun!
6:42 we lived with close friends for a few years, it was super fun! We had big meals together most nights, and it was fun just hanging out with the tv together or chilling in a bedroom together, without having to arrange it all.
The “family unit” of two adults and kids is pretty weird in terms of human history, and having friends, grandparents, and other people live with you was very common in most of human history (and still is in some cultures).
We found it reduced our stress because we had a bit more (voluntary!) support with the kids, and everyone had people to vent to when worried/grumpy, and it obviously makes the bills cheaper too!
But I couldn’t do it with random strangers, only family or friends who are close enough to be like family.
My family was one of the “multi generational” households for awhile; 6 years. And it was a help. But then it also caused problems eventually. We all live separately now…
@Sarahelton4261That's really not so uncommon, my family was similar to what you've described but after time we've basically grown and lived through a few deaths and I feel we just sorta strayed over time. I definitely miss those days but see why things are this way. Wishing families Peace here✌️
When 19 I moved to a multiracial.male/ female collective I a large converted 19 th centuryansipn
The founder supported the zBlack Panther.Party though we supported other organizations as well. Most of us had outside jobs but also internal responsibilities. All drugs or illegal was verboten..My first week living there I had to snitch on an attractive lady. This turned out to be a test
..my probation there was shortened. Jobs included kitchen, cleaning, administrative, vehicles and maintenance. Couples got one large room instead of small one. Meals served early and late due to jobs. Kids were raised by all in reality. A little over 2 years there my new girlfriend ( she did not live there) and I moved to Chicago. I never missed politics in DC but I did miss the way I had lived and many of the people
Politics gave birth to the collective but also ended it. Progressive politics encompassed toosny variables
Most did not want to touch gay liberation or support anti- abortion. There was unity per Vietnam and non-white liberation but when you had local Muslim groups murdering each other and the SDS spinning off Weathermen hostilities arose and discipline and responsibilities slackened. Police and possible FBI surveillance did not help. Rather than unifying the Police facilitated disintegration
By that time I had been gone year😮
and did not have to witness
Simon: curious and patient enough to look up antedeluvian.
Also Simon: too impatient to scroll down to the second definition, which would fit the context perfectly. Learns nothing.
Heh
Just ribbing you. Love the humor and modesty you regularly bring to the very well written content.
"Just some time in the past" is basically the gist of it
@@pjweisberg In this context it doesn't refer to any time period in the past though. It means extremely old-fashioned.
I first saw the word in a 9th grade literature book when I was 14 in '60. Even then it was footnoted at the bottom of the page, meaning as old as the hills. So if it was archaic then, imagine what it must be now. Must have been some 19th century pundit's (of the Van Snoot ilk) idea of being clever by saying something in Latin to obscure it's meaning to the "hoi polloi"; i.e. regular folks, when "before the Great Flood" would do just fine. Even then, I had a feeling I was beingb B.S.'ed
@@bultvidxxxix9973 nailed it
Nah he can be quite arrogant and look down his big lefty nose
I like how Simon doesn't discourage kids from viewing his content. For the most part anyway. He's well aware a kid could be out doing a lot worse things than watching an explicit but informative video.
Why should kids be discouraged from learning about historical things that happened?
The more you can learn as a kid, the better!
In that early Phase the brain is capable of learning extremely fast!
Teach your children as much as possible when they are young.
Educate them on all topics possible.
Well tbf, I agree that most Cas Crim aren't kid-friendly and that's the only channel I've heard him say it about.
amazing that nobody have yet pointed out that CERTAIN computers as early as 1985 could send files between each other by phone line and modem, and it was certainly possible that someone was playing a trick on him from another computer... it just wasn't called "internet" then
It's amazing that you're dumb enough you missed the part where these models of computer were physically incapable of that, it was entirely closed system, 0 ability to send or recieve anything, basically a fancy calculator
@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt No, technically seabreeze9296 is correct. You could have a BBC Model B connected up via a telephone to an acoustic coupler and have access to BBS sites and the like. Teletext was possible on the BBC Micro and the graphics modes included a teletext system. The 'internet' was JUST possible back them. The movie "War Games" from 1984 shows this... with a 1976 IMSAI!
However, the modem was huge, the phone had to be physically plugged in - it would be obvious - and you were charged crazy money in phone bills. The 'internet' back then would be OBVIOUS. In this case... there was no modem.
@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt What makes you think these model of computers were totallly incapable of connecting to a network?
@@jetfrog4574 because they factually were
@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt How do you know that? ALso BBC Micro's were known for Econet, a type of LAN, so how are to to know there was "totally incapable" of network ability.
2 super long Simon episodes in 1 day! It feels like Christmas. 🎉
Simon you big brain! It’s the Society for PSYCHICAL (sai-ki-kl) Research, not to be confused with physical research. Expanded pronunciation guide for more English words Danny. Didn’t you Brits invent the language? Love your work Simon, don’t ever quit.
I felt this was really fun and creative, even if it was a mundane prank. That’s a lot of really speculative thinking at a time when home computers barely existed.
Definitely way better than any creepy pasta I've read.
1984, my husband brought home the Mac and ImageWriter 1. Neither of our employers got much overtime after that.
Simon, farmers do still get degrees-in their field. Most places call it Agricultural Sciences or something similar.
some are even outstanding...
in their field.
I'll see myself out
Considering how long Simon has been on the internet the amount of things he has never heard of is astounding.
What a fun journey this was, once the UFOlogist got involved I knew things were going to get very stupid. (Also audio levels are so much better now, I can understand Simon super clearly over the background music.)
I haven't watched this video yet but just wanted to share that I'm glad this story has popped up on the interwebs. In a really weird coincidence, I met one of the chaps involved with this case, Peter Trinder, who had also been a teacher at my mum's school when she went there, and he told us all about this story. It was the first I ever heard of it. On holiday in 2012 back in the village where I went to school, and where my mum had also gone to school, we went and sat in the lounge of the residential library where we were staying (I know all of these details are extremely random!) and this old chap got talking to us. I knew I recognised his name from my mum mentioning it and so we struck up a very pleasant conversation, and that's when he told us about this. I was becoming fascinated by computers at the time and so that's probably how we got around to the subject.
Whether or not it was a hoax, Mr Trinder was insistent that he had not been in on it and was genuinely baffled by how this could have come about if it wasn't a hoax.
I'm looking forward to hearing Simon's theories on this odd situation and his sceptical mockery of it all 😆
I very much enjoy your channels, Simon, and particularly enjoy Danny's scripts, nice one both!
41:48 this is so off the rails by this point I don’t even know if I can keep listening my brain is melting out my ears here.
Hello peeps, i just wanted to say that i had a similar paint problem when i moved to an old house where the bedroom was painted with old 50+ years old oil paint patterns on the walls and the paint had some zinc and other particles in it to make it more vibrant, i painted over the pattern like 7 times and it still showed trough, eventually i had to scrape off the walls till i removed the old paint and then some basically almost to the bricks to get rid of the damn paint patterns showing trough.
I’m local to Hawarden (pronounced Hard-en) or to give it its Welsh name Penarlâg and also work about 4 miles away from Dodleston but have never heard this story. My auntie would’ve worked as a teacher at Hawarden high school at the same time as this Ken Webster so I’ll be sure to ask her about the mystery man when I next see her. I’ll report back with what I find out if she’s able to shed any light on the subject.
Please do update us on if you find out if a Ken Webster actually taught at that high school. Maybe someone in the town has an old yearbook still? It'd be cool to figure out if this Ken guy is made up too and it was all the Ufo nut. Maybe see if he still lives in the area too.
commenting in case there's an update
No updates I guess
The government got him
@@isaacwainwright5895 hahaha no the government haven’t got me. But ngl I just completely forgot to ask my Auntie and your reply has just reminded me about all this 🤣 she’s on holiday currently so I’ll be sure to ask her in about about this in about a week or so when she’s back!
Someone should make a movie based on this. I think it could be good, if done right.
As long as it's comedy
@@tnktopbandit7863 Why would a true story like that be comedy?
I love Simon's complete no sell of all of this. The first time I heard this story was from a believer of many things and the Simon version is just such a refreshing bombardment of using your brain.
His retelling is entirely inaccurate, its just as bs and untrustworthy to get the story from someone who's across the board so arrogant as to implicitly dosmiss anything "supernatural" as it is to get your info from someone like Joe Rogan who believes everything, they are both just as incapable of any level of critical thought
56:21 when I was in high school my friend and I would change the backgrounds to pictures of Slip Knot.
Of course. It makes perfect sense that a 16th century ghost who thinks electric lights are of the devil, yet knows how to type a message on a computer. What a total crock.
You didn't pay attention and just make yourself sound like a dork. First of all, he was not a ghost but a real, living person, just in a different timeline. Second, he wasn't typing the messages, he spoke into a "lightbox" which acted as a voice-to-text device.
@57:34 Simon complaining about Clwid not having any vowels. Poor "i", so ignored. XD
Thanks for your time ..., and patience, in putting this together. Great story, full of laughter and asides as usual
Yay, it’s Danny!!!
I have missed you, Danny, and hopefully Simon has a nice long intro to read
Dannys back! Here I was worried Simon forgot to throw his table scraps into the basement for him.
I'm only 19 minutes in so far, but I'm very solidly leaning towards someone in town has a key to the place who doesn't like the idea of outsiders.
In quieter, more trusting towns, giving a neighbour or friend the key to your house so they can check in on things if they don't see you for ages, put the mail/newspapers inside, water plants, feed pets, etc while you're on holidays, etc. Or just have a key so when you lose yours and get home, you can get a spare key from someone who's been safeguarding it. Often these go for years without being used. My parents recently found one such key in the bottom of a box of electronics, and have no idea as to its origin and so disposed of it.
My theory is the person who sold the place moved on without remembering that key, and the newcomers didn't change the locks (probably should when you move in to a new place, but not everyone does). The neighbour with the key has, for whatever reason, decided to mess with them.
Oh, and the paint footprints always showing up in the same place? I would probably do that with some kind of solvent or grease - I'm sure there are some chemicals that are odorless that paint does not stick to. That way, the footprints reappear in the same place - they haven't been reapplied, they just shed the paint off.
Man, I'd hate to see Simon team up with Shane on a ghost hunt, poor Ryan would be annihilated by their incessant mockery, dripping sarcasm, and general contempt for the irrational ridiculous belief in ghosts and all things supernatural 😭👻🧟♂️🧛
I'd love to see it. History making event. I just want to see Ryan try to convince them.
The first thing he'd do is whip out a carbon monoxide detector, to Shane's amusement and Ryan's horror.
Ghost hunting?
Oh boy..
I feel like Shane and Simon would just be doing finger guns at each other the whole time
I'd love to see this
This is great as an ending to this story. I've watched this story a couple months ago on The Why Files and now this one. Great job Danny.
I have to wonder how many brain cells poor Danny lost while researching this garbage. Thanks for taking one for the team, mate! 👍
Let's be honest, this entire episode was so that Danny could run creatively wild with 80s computer references.
The PUREST garbage. Asinine, every word is asinine!
@@luckyspurshe makes the best of things.
What's garbage about it?
@@nvmffs I mean the story is completely ridiculous, the whole story is a stinking heap of garbage. The video is great, though.
This was just the absurd giggle I needed. Cheers Danny and Simon!
The BBC computer was very 80's and one has to remember the first search engine didn't come out until around 1990. The BBC computer was ok for emails and writing letters, it also had a database and as you mentioned a spread sheet function. It was very primitive in function and design. But it was a thing of it's time, that being a time where computer's were the new thing on the must have lost for Christmas gift for children.
It might be conceivable to secretly add internal connectivity to an Acorn. The case is big enough.
@@tommyrotton9468 the cases back in the 80's were large enough, some companies even had them bolted to desks to stop thieves
@@tommyrotton9468 or you could just use an external modem.
I had a girlfriend at the University of Wisconsin named Mary, and she had one of those "light boxes"! When we made it light up, we were transported back to the 1500's and into the future instantaneously! 😂
Awesome vid as always!
Pro tip: if you ever need to say it again, Hawarden is pronounced "Harden" xD
I work at Hawarden airport ;)
I’ve got a friend who swears that she’s time travelled, albeit against her will and at random. It’s incredibly annoying because she 100% believes that she has and tries to tell me about it sometimes. I try to ignore it the best I can and tell her it’s all in her head in the nicest way possible, people don’t like it when you insist that it’s just their mental illness
Hooo boy, that'sa challenge alright. What are some of the things she claims?
We used to have a friend who briefly began leading a club of sorts and claiming she and her boyfriend were once a medieval king and queen _(how glamorous and convenient!),_ and most of the group members were once their loyal subjects _(__#NotACult__.)_ And of course some of their medieval enemies were among our extended friend group now _(so ostracized the people she doesn't like!)_
It took years to recognize that she wasn't just grappling with anxiety, wasn't just being manipulative or spinning a story for escapism (she loved being a LARP storyteller), she actually _genuinely 100% believed that crap sometimes._ Really made us question how many of her claims about her incompetent, shitty roommate were true, but it was too late to do anything to help. We got cut out of their lives.
My best friend lost their longest-running, nearing two-decades-long friendship to the weirdness too. It was as weird as it was devastating.
Could it have been a time slip?
@aste4949 weird. Even if she was, she wasn't in her present life, she'd have none of the money or power so it's a moot point.
As someone with a history PhD that has had to read documents from the sixteenth century, it is excruciatingly obvious that the words used by the "ghost" is a modern person trying to imitate what they think someone from the sixteenth century would have used. Never mind the fact that English spelling was not formalized in anyway nor was grammar styling - even for a person with an education or "degree from Jesus College." Seriously, even some documents in the nineteenth century are painful to read, but anything from before 1700 is just torture.
When I was getting my English degree, I wanted to do a paper on 16th-17th century English. After about a week, I changed my mind. I wanted something challenging but that was just torture after a week.
Have you read the unedited messages? I can read 1500's English photographic reprints easier than gen z twitter slang, certainly. The messages seemed reasonably accurate but I'm no expert.
Read the book. Long story short, it was another entity which purposely made the messages look inauthentic.
Someone I knew had a lodger. The lodger started taking out loans and credit cards in the home owners name and because he lived in the correct address the home owner only found out when a bank contacted him about his rejected 25k loan.
By the time the lid was opened the lodger had taken out 60k in loans and credit cards and refused to leave the property.
Don’t know how it all ended, lost contact with the home owner as it was being investigated.
But knowing the uk legal system nothing I imagine
An absolutely delightful story! Well done, Danny
Back in 1990, I took three of my students to Best Buy to help me buy my first computer.
I and two of the students were talking to the salesman when I noticed the third kid was going from computer to computer.
We left shortly after, and I could hear most of the computers whirling as we walked by them.
It was early on for home computers and Best Buy, and they didn't have the computers PW protected.
Most (two rows) of the computers were in the process of a hard drive formating.
Thomas was indeed a ghost. He did want to write a book, but when he tried to his hand went right through the pen, he felt rather silly after that. No book ever written.
57:29 - 57:36 Hi, English Literature major here. In the USA, vowels are taught to us as being “Aa, Ee, Ii, Oo, Uu, and sometimes Yy.” In most instances Yy is used as a vowel. IDK if it’s the same overseas, however.
We don't. But he's just being nasty to Wales as the English usually are. 😢
I tend to be a bit gullible when it comes to "out of this world" possibilities, but even I was right there with Simon, the whole way, thinking "Totally a hoax." A fun listen, though, thanks Danny and Simon!
btw, another great time travel book for anyone interested is Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book." Highly recommended!
Thumbs up for Connie Willis
11.22.63 is one of my favorite time travel books, and I love time travel books. I can also strongly recommend Jack Finney's Time and Again. I'm with Stephen King; this is one of the greatest of the genre.
I started writing a time travel story, never finished, but making plausible guesses about evolution of technology and language was something I tried. For example, instead of "gigs" they'd say "pets" (petabytes), instead of unlocking a door, they'd "palm in".
“The Jaunt” that’s definitely my favorite Stephen King time travel story, it’s a short, but hits hard👌
Sounds to me like a very early ARG. Kinda like how you get those twitter/youtube accounts that "document" creepy goings on like TheSunVanished or Petscop. This was just pre-internet.
Simon ending a rant , reading one line, saying “why” to the line then going on another rant is gold 12:48
8:00 Arranged in a pyramid!?
Well clearly it must be aliens, no human could possibly do that!
Ghost in Poltergeist (1982) "Am I a joke to you?"
Seems very similar to a 1980's episode of the Twlight Zone: "a message from charity" which aired in 1985. Very similar premise, so I guess it's possible that the ufo guy saw that and just added a computer to the mix.
As somebody who has literally written the book on in-credible stories, I see the fingerprints of something similar to my own lame efforts in this and I agree with you guys, it sounds very much like a construct of this Gary Rowe character. I'd never stopped once during previous videos on this subject to consider the possibility that Ken and Debby hadn't been verified as real people. Vertical Plane is in my Amazon wish list but never plucked up the enthusiasm to actually buy it.
The People from the future DO seem rather impressed by Gary.
I'm surprised there was nothing about, how all the Women
in 2109 want him and the all the men want to be like him 😄
As someone who works in a school, it's funny the first couple times someone changes the computer, but it gets old really fast.
you and Trey the Explainer absolutely piss me off, but i cant get enough of the videos . lmaooooo more life
2:37 Whoooo! Danny outdoing himself with an amazing alliteration.
When I was in high school we made the startup sound on Windows 95/98 a combination of barnyard noise and grunting dudes from porn movies. One of the guys in my group of friends was in AV club, giving us access to some really fun toys.
Once we set loaded the wave file we would crank the sound, turn the machine off, then sit and wait across the library from where the computers sat.
A webster was an old occupational term for a female weaver (actually probably something closer to webbester or webbestre) in Middle English, in case anyone is interested (also surnames like Baxter "female baker" and Brewster "female brewer" were derived in this way too). Maybe old Gary was spinning an old wives' tale...
May be Romulans flying through our solar system in their Warbird Starship using their cloaking device! 😂 Where's. Mr. Spock 😮when we need him!
I try to listen these as they are released and but I am a few behind.
But I have waited for the Dodleston Messages since finding this channel. It gets to jump in line for first listen.
7:30 I was doing some painting one time, and one of the walls had a bunch of phone numbers scrawled on the wall next to the phone. Some of the ink bled right through the paint, no matter how many coats you put on (actually, it was probably only three, since I gave up and scraped down till I removed the original ink, but it was showing no signs of fading out any time soon). So I’d assume that something similar was going on here.
This is what happens when you cheap out on your paint and decide you don't "need" primer. 😂
@@nanoglitch6693 wasn’t me that decided that, I was just doing a job for a friend, he said here’s the wall, here’s the paint, and I painted.
Watched you many titles , all good . Will watch this again , helps to understand what ya gotta deal with .
I will have to say that in 1980…. We didn’t use floppy drives. We saved things on a cassette tape, that sounded like recording a fax machine for a long time. Hard for people to wrap their minds around sometimes! 🤯
57:46 The BBC micro B has EcoNet a network interface that could be used for chat and disc file sharing. However this would need a hard wired cable plugged in to the back. At a computer show in the 80's we spoofed an advanced computer chat program using Econet and a hidden BBC micro.
Yeah that's one of the leading theories I've seen in other places as to how the messages got there. There was supposedly a chip that could transmit a very short range wireless signal too, so you could in theory send messages to the one BBC micro wirelessly. If you didn't know what you where looking for inside the computer, you could miss the chip and it'd let someone else in that tiny little town send messages to it. Someone else, like perhaps a UFO nutcase living in the area.
My school also had a BBC Micro which could never be found on the premises because it was “away for testing.”
Checking for portals.
i love this story!! there’s only one other half decent vid on it so thx man
9:27 "...used to KEEP worms in a matchbox..." ok, ok... I had to listen to it a few times over to realize it, but I swear I thought Simon was saying "...used to BE worms in a matchbox..." and I was wondering what happened to Danny for him to think so highly of the other neighbor kids lol
I watched this story on another channel and Debbie joined in with the comments.
The return of the Danny script, with a vengeance.
I remember the BBC computer, my Dad had one. Love the shout out for Chuckie Egg too.
I remember reading about this in the Fortean Times.
I thought that if it wasn't one of the people in the house, there was probably a spare key with someone in the village.
This reminds me of a novel I read when I was a teenager. At the end of that novel (which also had ghosts communicating from another place and time) it turned out that the main character was schizophrenic, and that it was actually him (his other self) that would do all the things the ghost did.
For a moment, as this story progressed I thought we were going for such a resolution around Debby.. Allegedly!
I bring up the “half your age plus 7” thing and people look at me like I’m stupid or that I just made it up. I thought it was a universal rule everyone knew.
There was something called Prestel available for the BBC Micro and it did use a modem. Think old fashioned teletext block graphics and text. My school had it but we were rarely allowed to use it, only for teachers.
In the 80s, there was no task manager, CTRL-ALT-DEL was just a soft reset.
i still remember basic magazine weekends where the only sleep i got revolved around dreaming of having a tape drive..
In Welsh, W and Y are always vowels, so there are actually 2 vowels in Clwyd.
I keep waiting for the reveal of Carbon Monoxide, or some dude having been living in the attic since before they moved in.
1984 was the year Apple introduced the "Macintosh", the first graphical user interface computer.
Home computers in general had been around for almost 10 years, and while not in every home, were reasonably common.
Then in 1985 the Amiga came out and blew out the Mac in every way
@@craigh5236 A friend of a friend had an Amiga... It was really great!
13:25 I’m gen z and yes I remember having to click cntrl alt del all of the time… and my friends & I doing it to each other 😂
We love Simons bald head, it lights the way if the future like a big light bulb ❤️
This sounds like a ton of fun as a text-based game!
Simon… Your contempt, for the welsh language is… Hilarious.
So this happened in 1984? The furniture moving? Cans neatly stacked in pyramids? That was from the 1982 movie Poltergeist.
I've been worried about Danny so it's good to hear from him 😂❤
Interesting and well presented as always.
I love how three sentences in Simon is already like "nah, this isn't real"
Possibly because it was a hoax
@@leighpowell1062 I know. The funny bit is it's supposed to be a channel about mysterious phenomena but Simon shoots it down out of the gates.
Because this is just so blatantly fake.
Shows just how invalid his opinion is
So I can't be the only one who heard the first message was signed by L. W. and was like "Wow, Kin, way to be uncreative when coming up with initials that were totally not related to yours."
I am a teacher, and I find it hilarious! Stay in school, kids, so you can do things like this! LOL, ok, not really,
Fell asleep so this gem and woke up an hour and a half into the Albert Fish episode of The Casual Criminalist 😳. Never falling asleep with AutoPlay Next on or falling asleep again...
I'm usually quite picky about language, but I wouldn't have a problem using the word 'choices' in that context. If you choose item 1, that is your choice. If you choose item 2, that is your choice, so they are both potential choices.
Hawarden- pronounced, Harden. I live 26 miles away on the Welsh coast.
I feel I need a CW series made about this story. Heavy on the melodrama please.
Don't underestimate the ability of old people to prank. When I was in college, I got itno a one-sided prank war with neighborhood annoying Nazi who my family was unfortunate enough to live next to. A seventy-something bigot with an absurd amount of money, who throuhgt it was a good use of her time to decorate my car like a cake, glue bread to it, and other stupid shit. (She woudl cover my car hood with bread and I would just flip the slices onto her lawn every morning so I would frisbee them back onto her lawn every morning before I left for college. So she started glueing them. It was stupid, irritating, and kinda pathetic when you think of it.
My great grandfather was apparently from Chester England. I stopped doing the genealogy research when I got to him because he was a coal miner named John Price … There were like John Prices 3 per block.
I used to live in Hawarden (it's pronounced "harden") and ots such a beautiful little village, I miss it so much
Simon, the " _w_ " and " _y_ " in Welsh words *are* the vowels. lmao
Magic spoon is blowing up lol, been seeing a ton of it shipping at work the last couple months
We had some of these BBC computers when I was at primary school, I think I remember this story as well. Wasn't it on that 90's TV show? Strange But True I think it was called.
Could also be some sort of rot that just happens to have that shape. It would then breach the paint each night because it needs air exposure for its spores to be released.