CIVIL WAR INSIDE THE NBA 🤯🤯
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Chris Brossard and Rob Parker spoke on American vs. international players their recent podcast! Do y’all think American players disrespect international players???
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Shaq bullied Howard for over a decade.
Shaq is a world class hater tho😊
@@robk6831 I think that was Eliek2014's point. He was hating on him as people were saying he was Superman, etc
All while buddying up to Yao. Shaq is a gigantic jiga
Also Donovan Mitchell
@@user-jb6lp6bu7bNah he was hating on him because he can't take a big man being good and getting shine
One and done is America biggest problem. Players don’t stay in college and learn the game
AAU culture in America is poison
I've been saying this for years! I love watching the progression of college players year after year. March madness just ain't the same anymore.
Agreed! The NBA wants to find the next Kobe!
@@StonedAlways421 there’s no next black mamba
Foreign players are drafted at age 19-20.
I agree with Rob Parker for the first time
Shaq had a whole television show dedicated to making fun and "hating" on NBA players of all races. Shaq is an equal opportunity hater. Rob Parker is a clown.
Dr. James Naismith was Canadian-American. He was a professor who invented basketball at a college in Springfield, Massachusetts.
Let's keep it REAL! The American players are mad because the NBA watered down the league to attract Euro players. Instead of them going through the wringer like Toni Kukoc, Detlef Shremph, Stoackovich, Petrovich, and Manu did. They had to earn their stripes in a physical league. They are mad because the rules have changed to cater to those who had a fast pass to the NBA.
Damn, that’s a great point.
Bingo 💯💯💯💯💯
Nice try. AAU watered down the league and these fundamental players are crushing that play style.
Where the white American hoopers 🤣 that's the real question 🤔@@marcelluswileydatdude
@@marcelluswileydatdudeI disagree for the simple fact that they are many Canadian in the league and a handful of European. Difference is Luka and jokic are at the top
The anti whiteism is at an all time high in all of basketball. Don’t matter if it’s the Gilbert Arena’s of the world saying “them people don’t belong in the nba” when talking about Luka or Jokic, or wnba hating on Kaitlyn Clark before she even played 1 game
Yall people are boring can’t jump no athleticism 😂😂😂 that is the problem nobody want to watch that sh*t Catlin is trash
I think the American players are more focused on their brands and the money and not the game first.
You mean like players like Steph Curry or Klay Thompson players of that cool or not physical players and who benefited from the new rules and weren’t they were American players?
FINALY good analize.
🎯The NBA has always been headed here since the Dream Team in the 90’s. This is the global game the NBA wanted.
They COMING!!!
Facts i been saying this.the Best players ate not from America and they hate it!🎯💯😆😆😜
The media is creating this division with their talking points
David sterns sole focus was to globalize the game of basketball. He's done that and this is the result.
Remember nba TV use to show the euro league in the summer.... Today's nba is the exact same game without the funny looking Key.
Basketball was birthed in Springfield mass
I thought naismith invented the game in Canada
By a Canadian 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
No he definitely invented it un Springfield mass.
Springfield, Massachusetts
James Naismith's connection to Springfield College as a graduate student and instructor who invented the game here in Springfield, Massachusetts as part of his work with the College.
I'm a big fan of Rob and Chris but this is nonsense isnt embiid foreign hes been called fat lazy and injury prone how about ben Simmons from Australia hes been called soft and a quitter
So, everyone is lying.
The reason they are because our kids have to go to school while europeans are practicing. If they fail, they can go back and still make money.
Another thing is that the NBA funds basketball without borders and a bunch of NBA development feeder systems outside the country. All we have is travel basketball.
So now, we are behind. And they are getting a push once they get to the NBA. The goal is a global game and phase out American black kids where possible.
Look at the draft this year.....what names do you know? 3 french kids will be in the top 5, might get lucky and have 1 black american.
AAU is ruining the development of American players
Called skills.....us players are turning back on the boring fundamentals and taking in all the smoke up that a$$. Foreign born got skils and are hungry.
American players got lazy in the money and hype. European players basketball is life, a way to get out of their socialist system and live like a king in America with all its freedoms. They been professional athletes since like grade school or something playing against grown men, that’s why America had to create the 92 Dream Team because our college team started losing to them. That was the beginning of the realization that American hoopers wasn’t good enough to beat European basketball teams. No high school or college over there, just 9th grade you play on pro teams 😮 and now that MJ and Kobe took it to international level of popularity, basketball is world wide
Real talk on competition… as a LIFE dynamic - and the entitlement culture / friend-parent lack of accountability (culture and parent-style) is a MASSIVE potential sticking point sitting out there for the U.S. (as a general statement), over the next 10-20 years.
7:49, Today TODAY,, real ones know where that’s from. Keep up the grind Mdub
I truly think it’s because American and the media put this pressure on the American players you gotta do this and that to be great then the euros come here and ball and get multiple MVPs by doing the same or less than American born player has done and they the ones that get criticism for not making it here or not doing this but the euros don’t have the same expectations or pressure no get the same scrutiny. Let that been an American that didn’t close out that game yesterday and got beat by 40 let that been LeBron they’d be saying Mike jordan wouldn’t have let that happened. But the euros get the rewards but not the same energy!
Rob Parker is one of those wise old sensible types. Like him
Both of them are pushing the narrative
JEALOUSY! Catlin Clarke ring a bell?
Who is CC jealous of?
@@smk4428 players being jealous of CC
Angel Reese
@@jameekhaynie9967 oh, i see.
@smk4428 players are jealous of CC
Dudes be hating though on Giannis and Joker especially 🤨
But they throw shade at Luka too.
But if you really think about it.... Joker, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, and Shay... Were born elsewhere (some might say those are the top 5 players in the league)
They are
@@5starathlete804
Lol definitely could be... I would say Ant is forcing his way in the top 5 though 😅
They trash too. They all play for $$$$ only
They 100% are including Ant. By the end of next season Wemby will be there too
@@naklovesjesus3204They hate when you’re great. No one gets more hate than Lebron. From Rob Parker and Barkley, they both hate one him.
You're way off on this one homie and ur going way deeper then it is. They just jelly that America got complacent and the world took advantage and now they over here taking the money and glory...simple
You basically saying the same thing lol
@@KevinBrown-vw4nm learn to read
@@musik4u343 Naw. You learn how to listen.
Outside of the most known euros , Luka and jokic . Who else is European and is or has been an all nba player the last 10 yrs ? GO!
Or euros that made an all defensive team in the last 10 yrs !?
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I blame the coaches because every team tries to play like Steph an the Warriors when most of these guys can't shoot 3's instead of teaching them to play to their strengths i see more bricks watching the NBA they need to put in systems that works best for their team like Phil Jackson, Pat Riley and Larry Brown coaches are lazy now.
You might wanna include Chuck Daly too boss👍🏿
Not only that. You learn team basketball. While still be a star. We send our kids to college. To play a version of basketball that doesn’t translate to the next level.
Look, I have no problem with these foreign players, give them love, give them MVP's, at the end of the day, it's about winning in the Finals. People can love Luka, Shai, Embiid, Giannis and Joker. But, between those 5, they have 2 chips. Let's not forget, just 2 years ago, it was Steph, before him, Giannis, before him, LeBron, before him, Kawhi, before him Steph, LeBron, Steph, Steph, Duncan, LeBron....The narrative may be the foreign players are the best, but in the champions club, most of them are still waiting outside or in line. This year, they could add Luka, but more than likely it'll be Anthony Edwards or Jason Tatum. Y'all don't get caught up in these narratives when you SEE the truth in front of you.
Fox Sports should nt have let marcelius to leave, he would v replaced Shannon on Undisputed.....
I'm a Minnesota Timberwolves fan our best player the best player in the game Anthony Edwards don't care where you're from he going to do the same thing to you whether you can speak Spanish Italian or English
There needs to be a rethinking of how the minor league level of the NBA trains and develops players. College Basketball doesn't really prep these guys and that has been the case for a while. Look at Kyrie. He got into Duke on scholarship and DIDN'T play. He was hurt. Might have been the best thing for him. College basketball is not getting them ready for this next level. This is before talking about how uninteresting the NBA is becoming. I have always loved basketball and loved to play. Since 2022 I have not watched a full regular season game and since 2023 haven't watched the playoffs. This year will likely be the first time I don't watch the finals. The draw in viewership has never been lower, I know I'm not alone in this. I can only imagine what more casual fans than me (which I am now a casual which I wasn't just 5 years ago) think. Regular season almost unwatchable (hence in season tournament) and playoffs not as high stakes. NBA not sweating now, but once the TV rights deals are coming up for renewal they will.
Haven't watched an NBA game since the last warriors Cavs finals - and I don't care to.
But I watched around TEN women's college basketball games.
The women are less talented for sure... butnlike Woodwn said, the game is much purer. I was ENJOYUNG watching Iowa, LSU, UConn, USC. I don't thinking a single finals game will surpass the 18.7 million in the women's title game.
embid and the canadian players went through the american basketball developmental system thats why the american basketball media supports them
No Shaq told plenty of players that they weren't good enough.
In my country before 1990, You couldnt leave the country to play in nba or some other league if you didnt had 25,26 year. and then you must ask for permission. Thats why my country had great basketball league and plenty good players. it was same for football. i know many players who left the country too late becouse we had this rules to have strong league and strong national team.
Other countries have a more successful model for building up young players and teams with role players. America moved towards the AAU model: Play for "free", predatory boosters gifting shoes, teams being switched on whims and parents that pay and want return on their dime. If we had a more organized, structural, minor league system (instead of "college") we would be able to identify, and build talent within a set team/structure/system/cosch instead of identify and coddle it with boosters, sneaker companies where the player has leverage simply thru their services.
not really africa ocenia asia europe latin america and the Caribbean all have academy systems, canada and the u.s. depend ho hs and college to develop players
Wemby, Joker, Luka, SGA, Embiid, Giannis the top guys in the league now, with a few Americans thrown in (Ant, Tatum, Kyrie, etc). It'll soon be Wemby's league if he gets help.
The big money in the league now, with dudes getting north of $60M per, is a result of the global expansion of the game. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
No one hates international players. Real hoopers make a distinction between guys who play both ends of the court versus guys who can't. We also understand that athleticism and defense are crucial components of the game. I will never be forced to embrace guys who only have 1 gear and their accolades will always be *.
Some American journalists hate on he European players from time to time.
All they want is a new Kobe/MJ that can be the face of the league. Let's hope that Ant can fill that gap.
Kobe was never the face of the league for any extended period of time - especially after Colorado
@@anotherelvisThe league is always looking for the next MJ, not Kobe.
I disagree with how Marcellus portrayed Europe. But he is right. The EU countries have a different approach to athletics than the US.
Maybe the US should look at how EU countries develop athletes.
Enjoyed the video as always.😊
To much HighSchool players not enough fundamentals from college play…
Funny, Broussard was the number one Jokic hater last year.
You can realize you are wrong and change your take over time
It’s purely mathematical and demographic, the talent pool that the world has to glean from is infinitely bigger than the taboo of America. It was bound to catch up. Things are like a pendulum they swing back-and-forth and that’s what we’re witnessing now.
just send our kids overseas to develop
It wasn't birthed in Canada
it was birthed in the U.S.A. by a Canadian.
5:53 'delusion'
'They were under the delusion....
SGA Canadian
European players are just smarter, have higher basketball IQ, know the game better than most domestic players. That’s just the fact. People will say white vs black and all kinds of bull, but the reality of it is Europeans are not as physical but know the game on the higher level.
Lies
@@problackbayareaplaya yeah idk where homie gets the thought from . Mfs look at jokic like all euro players are as good as him . When in reality most euro players become role players to bench warmers in the nba.
Who are those European players that are smarter than domestic players?
Yep, but also, euro basketball is physical. It is actually when they get to the NBA that they say is softer, so that ain't on the European players
Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, and Luka are all either 7 feet or damn near 7foot, the overseas guards can’t hang in thjs guard heavy league America still produces the best guards and wings hands down.
Our American bigs have to be developed better
Honestly, I think its as simple as the fact that European players go pro at a younger age. The AAU/NCAA system allows for a good feeding system to create good to very good players. But if youve got two equally special players, and one is facing grown pros at 14, and the other is facing other kids... its not rocket science to figure who is going to develop faster and better.
You can see it in tennis, Ben Shelton is every bit as physically talented as any young European superstar, but he went pro at 21 and Carlos Alcaraz has been a pro since he was 15. No shit Alcaraz has a headstart that's going to be hard to overcome.
Nah I believe more than the system is the laziness in our culture now. Talent only gets you so far. There was a time they played defense in the NBA. Just look at how the Allstar game has devolved over the last few decades and that all translates to the league.
Wait until the US first team starts to lose the Gold medal. lol. It’s coming
You're all wrong. The moment the NBA realized how much more money they could make off Magic Bird Jordan and Lebron not fouling out or even travel calls that league reduced itself to a fake inferior show. The NBA flat out hated 3 time scoring champion Allen Iverson. And physical play was completely abandoned after the Malice at the Palace.
Rob sounds ridiculous. I can think of plenty of American players that have caught criticism for years. Anyone can have an opinion and no one is above criticism. It has s a FACT that the NBA changed the rules to make it easier for foreign players. Thats not hate to call that out.
I see ppl hating on jokic...everywhere hoping he loses ..to wolves 😂..that's crazy
Who gets more hate than Lebron?
@@weightpushweight5769if Lebron won mvp you think shaq would tell hjm he didn’t deserve it to his face
@@danieldutremble2727 Yeah. If Shaq feels he didn’t deserve it. He didn’t tell Giannis he didn’t. He didn’t tell Embiid he didn’t. He always says Nash didn’t and those are his MVP’s. No one gets more hate than Lebron. Have you seen what Barkley said about Lebron?
Is Anthony Edwards American
AAU culture destroyed the competitiveness in youth basketball. All the best players play for a handful of teams, and they usually beat down on the rest. They grow up thinking it will always be easy.
Come on, thats not true, Luka and Jokic get more unwarrented hate; more than SGA or Embid, you can tell. Race plays a role in the discussion; sorry but its obvious.
Nah man. Luka gets a ton of love. Also look how much hate Giannis got a few years back. Rudy Gobert still gets hate.
Get it right. Both black players actually play both ends of the court while the white players are over zealously skilled offensive players wit no defensive mindset at all. So quit playin👎🏿
It’s sports. who cares
It's only 4 good foreign players out of 300 players. Americans are still the best in the world. The Olympics prove that every time we play. Stop the cap.. 💯
Americans still dominate but it's a lot more than 4 lol. Also the very, very top players are all foreign. Jokic, Luka, embiid, giannis, shai all foreign
Only 4? Joker; Luka; Shai; Embiid; Giannis; Sabonis; Siakam; Wemby; Murray; Ayton. 125 foreign born players in NBA total and the number continues to grow.
I agree. Except some years ago. They fell off for a period of time though🤷🏿
Euro players are also cheaper
What are you talking about, everyone in the NBA has the exact same pay structure per their CBA
Gilbert arenas also shades international players. Its pure jealousy.
Here's something to consider: no foreign-born player comes to the US and the NBA and is immediately one of the elite players in the league from Day 1.
Yes, they came in with some baseline talent and fundamental skills from their native countries. However, they became sharpened, elevated, and ascended to the elite status, competing against America-born players, taught by American-born coaches, trainers, etc.. Therefore, America should get more credit for the development and success of these foreign-born players like Giannis, Joker, SGA, Sabonis, Siakam, Embiid, etc..
The US still produces the best basketball players by far. Foreign-born players have to come here to play against the best and make the most money.
Older America-born NBA players, after their careers are over in the NBA, can go to other countries and play and dominate easily well past their prime
How does this warrant hating on them foreign players...?
@@radicalmatamune , My post wasn't about hating on foreign-born players. duh
most american stars are absolute clowns: Ja Morant for starters, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, yikes, honestly, there is no single player I'd rather have instead of an international one, Ant is cool, but he is no mvp caliber player. and before you say anything, ant is totally gased out when the game is over, he eats like a true american, burgers and french fries, so yeah, great meals for a pro athlete.
How is shaq hating on foreign players and he suggested another foreign player shouldve won
The black one.And others. Have it will looks for the first time i think two white boys , european are first and second. And Luka have much better stats than SGA.
7:40 The European Basketball Academies are private enterprises. They make money by selling players on long term contracts.
You do know they do the same thing with baseball players from Brazil, Dominican Republic and Cuba right?
This is all trumped up and has racial undertones. Luka and Jokic are just great white hopes. This convo didn't arise when Giannis was dominating a few years ago.
Giannis is very athletic and plays above the rim, which is more exciting to watch to many fans in comparison to the Joker and Luka, who are both very non athletic and have an "old-man game" style of play.. aka boring to some fans. Everything isn't always about race
Yes. Giannis did get this, although not as bad a Jokic. People love Luka though because he plays with swagger. Rudy Gobert also gets a lot of undue hate.
@@shawncain882 man, you guys couldn't be honest with yourself if you tried
@@BirdLives7 jokic and luka don't get undue hate, they get unduly defended by white America.
@@smk4428 2 things can be true at once. They both get the Eminem treatment from white America. But there is definitely xenophobic bias against them from sections of the media with an undercurrent of insecurity that they are not black Americans. People like Perk and Arenas are going out of their way to not give Jokic in particular, credit for his dominance.
So foreign players cant get criticized? Yall sound like hypocrites.
It's xenophobic veiled nationalism (America's other pastime); just like when Stephen A made those comments about Shohei Ohtani. (Other than Don Cherry who hasn't had a national platform in years) the Canadian media doesn't go nearly as ape-ish over the fact the greatest current goalscorer (Mexican-American Auston Matthews) the best d-men (outside of Cale Makar) and the goalies by far are all American and more and more draft picks and top draft picks are coming from the NCAA and not the CHL Canadian junior hockey ranks.
You forgot to add "white" and "supremacists" to your globalist buzzwords. Oh wait, those words don't work in this case due to the skin color of those exhibiting nationalism in favor of America.
No, it's not xenophobia
@@shawncain882 What would you call it then lol The same things American sportscasters are saying about Ohtani and "non-Americans" dominating the game of basketball (even if they're black dudes from Canada) screams a fear of losing "their (America's)" sport to outsiders who are "taking over" what is "rightfully" there's. That's textbook xenophobia. Don Cherry used to say the same thing about European, French Canadian, and American hockey players. It's a tired discourse.
@@kiroolioneaver8532 , You're forming your opinion based on sports casters' takes, people you don't know at all, on a couple of different topics, stop it...you're just exposing the prism YOU view the world through
@@shawncain882 That's the point though. The question is WHY is there this narrative among media/players/and coaches that instead of CELEBRATING that international and foreign-born players are dominating are SOURING towards it and the reason is xenophobia: LITERALLY the idea that it's a zero-sum game (i.e. players from elsewhere dominating is coming at the expense of American players). The evidence is the public discourse around these players vis-a-vis their American counterparts. And (as I mentioned with the Don Cherry and hockey example) it's neither new or unique. There's actually a really fascinating conversation to be had around this and the complexities and real legitimate grievances that surround it (as was explored/exposed during the recent Drake vs. Kendrick debate) about how black people from outside of the United States can be praised and elevated over African-Americans. That's literally what these conversations are about (and xenophobic nativism is as old as America and manifests itself in different forms from the No-Knowings in the 1850s to the discourse around immigrants from Eastern, Central, and Southern Europe in the early 20th century to today). If you actually open a book and study history and culture you'll see that this discourse around American vs. foreign born stars is just another verse in a long song that's been sung in America's history. That's the wider context.
The blacks are ball hogs and play 1 v 1. Euro’s play team ball
Fence straddling Wiley
You see it too? I thought I was the only one who thought that. It's as if he's pandering to be on a corporate network.