15k for a Shelby ST or 500 for a COBB access tuner and 600ish for an exhaust? I think I would go the second route. Granted you would have to spend a little more if you wanted the better tires, brakes and suspension. But it still isn't coming anywhere close to an added 15k.
26K for a Focus ST3 out the door thats taxes and everything, granted I kept telling them I think I will wait until Oct for the 2015's. Ive made a couple car payments in my lifetime and 26k is nothing 30k and above your getting into race car land. Its nice, I had a sup up Abarth that thing was an animal until a bus ran me over. The ST handles so well even in 6th gear you can have fun, the turning is so flat; a much better designed car without the drama of the Abarth and other thrown together hothatches. Just starting conversation
15k extra?!?! Just like most Shelby fords...overrated. Better power style and handling can be obtained cheaper. COBB/STEEDA/MOUNTUNE... way better results. COBB stage 3 alone is a hair over 3k and you will get a little better results than that. And it won't have the dumb Shelby taxi look. You can even go stage 3, new clutch, fuel injectors, bigger turbo, few other parts and a pro tune and still be under 10k.
Carroll Shelby did tune up some Chrysler vehicles. Like the Dakota, but there is a reason he stopped. He was a Ford guy to the end literally. The testament to that is the Cobra's that are still being manufactured by Shelby American. By the way Chrysler got saved by Fiat. So truth be told. The Europeans had to reinvent the brand in order to have gain the success they have today. Don't get me wrong, those cars are beast like the Hellcat that is producing 700+hp. But again Fiat put their driving force into Chrysler to finally update them to the 21st century.
Looks alright, hate the mis matched hood color. Gives that rice look. Those hood vents probably go no where and provide nothing too. This is essentially a 15k appearance package.
they DO, we just don't get it in the US. it's called the RS model but luckily, it's rumored that ford will be giving the focus here in the US the AWD treatment as well as the 2.3L ecoboost currently in the new mustang. If it happens, it's going to shut down the entire hot hatch market.
FastRedPonyCar actually in europe its still fwd it uses a rev knuckle design which stabilizes the car even more. this is the first year that the rs will be awd
crzzymnn911 In the New York International Auto Show they debuted the American Ford Focus RS. It is in fact AWD and will be putting down 310+ hp. Look it up. It's an amazing looking car.
This dude just said that the Shelby Focus ST and the Subaru STi are basically the same car? Smoke crack much? Also, Cobb Stage 3 is a little over 3k for the same power..
No, he said at the core, they're basically the same kind of "animal". Meaning that deep down, they have some very close similarities. Both have 4 cylinder turbocharged engines, both have 4 doors. They're both typically purchased by the "same" type of people.
If this is going to be a Shelby Focus ST they really need to do more to the engine and the car itself. Slap an AWD on it, make it a twin turbo 4 with around 400 hp and make it much more aggressive than it already is. That's my opinion for this car. But I still like it ill-regardless :)
38 would be good if it had that standard on a limited Shelby Focus. Why would someone pay 38 grand for better looks and a pathetic hp raise of only 30 at most even if it is limited? At least sup it up a little more.
Christopher Thomas As I posted before; "People; If you don't like it or the price - don't buy it. It's very simple. Nobody really cares why you disagree with this car. And the tester was very honest and accurat'.e
I think Shelby fell down and bumped his head. A bunch of decals, some cheap imitation carbon fiber and an exhaust system for $15,000? You could damn near buy the entire Cobb catalogue for less than that?! These ppl are on crack! And by the way, those are 18" wheels, not 20's. You are obviously just a talking head and have no idea what you're even reviewing.
38,500!!!! for ONLY a 10hp gain with a bunch of CF bits, shelby logo, so-so exhaust, CAI(that does nothing even tuned, the stock intake is fine), and wheels nope, nope, nope why cant reviewers not be full of shit and simply speak the truth? oh because no one will give them products to test because they call it how they see it!
Agreed. Not sure why he's trying to convince us that this car is a good (or even decent) value. The main argument is that it's a tiny bit cheaper than the Golf R. C'mon! The Golf R has to be one of the worst deals in the enthusiast car field. Sure you get some exclusivity, but that exclusivity is not worth $38k. Mustang GT and STI are just two of many examples of cars that offer more value for the money.
WRX because it's simply better daily driver. Which what this car does the best. Sti when being way too expensive for DD is too stiff and has components required for more track oriented use. With Focus Shelby it's weird - one who can afford it most likely rocking GT500 or similar. And rest of more younger demographic would be happy with base ST and have fun gradually modifying it if required. Hence Shelby is just weird product in my eyes. Review is great. See you around Ortega ;)
I understand. So let's take a look for a sake of comparison. Suspension - what exactly is different between stock ST and Shelby? Brakes - taking ave price of Stoptech BBK set ~3 to 4k four corners. Or go with exactly the same Wilwoods. Wheels/tires - well this is bolt on and if you track your car you most likely end up with set of rpf1s and super sticky tires in smaller sizes due to cost etc. Hence stock ST package makes sense when Shelby makes little to none given the package price.
LOL for 15k i could get an atp turbo kit, FMIC, lightweight crank pulley, CA, 3" catback, 3" downpipe, tune, short shifter kit, big brake kit, front strut bar etc and be making at least 400whp... and no fake carbonfiber
I spent about 6K and did a turbo upgrade, fmic, cat back, down pipe, cold pipe, hot pipe, blow off valve, Cobb accessport, rear, passenger & driver motor mount, cold air intake and would blow the doors off this thing. What a rip off Shelby. A couple of carbon fiber bits, a few stickers and a mild tune for 15K. I guess there are 500 suckers out there
Exhaust 700 ish. downpipe call it 300-400 ish Cobb Accessport 500-600 ish Intake+inlet pipe 300 ish Brakes 2000 ish Suspension 1300 coils You can get a lot better of a car still do all the upgrades and maybe go up a size on the turbo. 15000 extra is insane.
The WRX is noisy, runs rough, gets poor gas mileage, has crude cabin tech, has poor reliability, is ugly, has poor resale value, but other than that it's a great car. I'd rather have a Mustang GT than an STI, the STI has huge turbo lag, aka complete lack of bottom end power.
That is very fake carbon fiber under the hood. For 15k that is just unacceptable. Not only that but the COBB Tuning Focus ST is much better and sounds way nicer for way less money. This version of the ST is junk.
Maybe if the idiots at Shelby didn't rice out this ST, this video wouldn't have had so many thumbs down. I love the Focus ST but this one looks hideous. I don't give two squirts if it goes 1000mph, it looks fucking gay.
I think potential buyer would want to modify stock ST. For much less $ too. It won't look rice with black hood and other bits. Also I'd rather have base WRX any day over what? Sync and short shifter.. really?
I have to disagree on the blending in part... bright yellow paint and black trim bits aren't exactly subtle. I am very open, however, to the idea of a debate on the price point and what it gets you. I think you have to factor in a bit of the exclusivity what with this being a 500-unit run. Yes, that means you have to be a massive fan of the Shelby brand of course... but you can't rule out the limited run even if you're not. Still... there is more fun for less out there. I agree.
So I wonder how much you'd save by just buying all of the parts on your own from Borla, Steeda, Ford Racing, etc and installing them yourself and skipping the Shelby name? Probably like $10k! LOL. Yea, it's a limited edition, but I'd rather customize it myself so that it is 1 of 1, not of 500 prebought. BTW, where's the CAI you speak of? It looks like the factory airbox with a faux carbon fiber wrap on it to me.
I think your BBK estimate is pretty low; Brembo's run $3k per pair, and you still have to consider install cost so that lowers the price gap . But yes, tuning yourself is much better than this.
Its sad how cars have truly become a marketing scheme. Seriously if shelby were alive he would spit on this car. Its a shame. Also. Is fucking stupid. Get a chip tune on the regular focus for 500$ and have the same power....38000 for this omg...FF layout is shit. All you can is go straight. No snow fun no rain run. No corner fun.
The car your talking about does not have 20's on it...you should do your research or at least look down before you talk specs. That car does have TSW's but they are 18's
It's far more than Sync and a short shifter. It's suspension, brakes, wheels, tires, and a bit more. A base WRX? Why? That's a heavier 265 hp car... if you're going to compare, go with the STI.
Hell if your gonna put all that power in the car might as well put more money in to get it rwd or 4wd all that power in front has to be hard I wouldn't want to fight that car evertime I wanna haul ass.
People; If you don't like it or the price - don't buy it. It's very simple. Nobody really cares why you disagree with this car. And the tester was very honest and accurate.
The whole point of youtube comments is to voice your opinion. If the uploader didn't wan't others commenting, he/she would have disabled comments. If you don't like others opinions, don't read them!
Great review. 38k for this is a huge ripoff. So much more out there for your money, especially when it looks like it does. For 38k you should grab attention and this car just blends in. I'd rather just buy a Mustang 5.0 and still be 8k ahead.
I'll just get an st and put an exhaust, intake, shifter, and a tune on it. That's the same for WAY cheaper. And this car doesn't compare to the sti. I would definitely get an sti over this with a $40,000 budget. No question.
You can do all of this for much cheaper yourself. You can even get more power for less money by purchasing a Mazda Speed3, and mod it for over 300+ whp for less money. Beautiful car, but the 2.0 liter with a small turbo really limits what can be done aftermarket, Either way, Shelby will just take your money. Do it yourself.
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It's great to have you back with some new reviews! I appreciate your non-nonsense attitude and in-depth knowledge. Looking forward to more of your great quality work in the days ahead!
Or take a regular Ford Focus ST and spend a similar amount ot money and make it better...... Have you realized that the Mazda 3s are based on the Ford Focus? Research your ideas, sir.
You sir need the research! The ST's lack of a mechanical LSD, its smaller K03 turbo and its relatively weak clutch/tranny limit the headroom you'll get when modding. Yea sure you can make it fast with 3k invested, but the speed3 can be had for less and have far more hp/tq gains with 3k worth of mods. Not to mention the speed platform has been around a lot longer, offering more aftermarket parts/dealers. My "opinions" are researched. Are yours?
AlexTheGreat89 The "3" has always been based on the Focus platform and so have many Mazda vehicles. Ford (engineering) designs. Are you telling me that the # has a different transmission that the ST? Regardless, if you wanted sheer hp, you wouldn't buy either car, There are several cheaper cars that make more power. Also, you totally missed my point.
You missed MY point. The speed3 is one of the best bang for your buck performance cars you can buy new. I was merely saying that during this whole video review there was no mention of the mazda. I am quite aware of fords past part ownership of mazda. That is not the case nowadays. And yes, the speed3's clutch/flywheel/tranny is different than the st's. I would love to hear of a new car under 23k new that makes more torque and hp than the speed3 by the way.Stock for stock. I'm also aware this isn't about the ST vs the speed3 or the shelby ST vs anything. If you don't like my opinion, move on! This particular ST is a giant waste of money, and I think most here would agree.
"Massive, TSW 20-inch wheels" that use 235/40/R18 tires.
... That sums up this video.
15k for a Shelby ST or 500 for a COBB access tuner and 600ish for an exhaust? I think I would go the second route. Granted you would have to spend a little more if you wanted the better tires, brakes and suspension. But it still isn't coming anywhere close to an added 15k.
26K for a Focus ST3 out the door thats taxes and everything, granted I kept telling them I think I will wait until Oct for the 2015's. Ive made a couple car payments in my lifetime and 26k is nothing 30k and above your getting into race car land. Its nice, I had a sup up Abarth that thing was an animal until a bus ran me over. The ST handles so well even in 6th gear you can have fun, the turning is so flat; a much better designed car without the drama of the Abarth and other thrown together hothatches. Just starting conversation
15k extra?!?! Just like most Shelby fords...overrated. Better power style and handling can be obtained cheaper. COBB/STEEDA/MOUNTUNE... way better results. COBB stage 3 alone is a hair over 3k and you will get a little better results than that. And it won't have the dumb Shelby taxi look. You can even go stage 3, new clutch, fuel injectors, bigger turbo, few other parts and a pro tune and still be under 10k.
Or Wolf tuning -> 300HP
STredline You're right. Same - or even better - performance can be bought elsewhere for less money.
The video said it has 20 in wheels but the video was showing 18 in on the vehicle? Oops.
0:54 those are 18'' wheels not 20 as they claim
a lot of money for an exhaust, cai, unnecessary brakes and a whole bunch of cosmetics
Carroll Shelby did tune up some Chrysler vehicles. Like the Dakota, but there is a reason he stopped. He was a Ford guy to the end literally. The testament to that is the Cobra's that are still being manufactured by Shelby American. By the way Chrysler got saved by Fiat. So truth be told. The Europeans had to reinvent the brand in order to have gain the success they have today. Don't get me wrong, those cars are beast like the Hellcat that is producing 700+hp. But again Fiat put their driving force into Chrysler to finally update them to the 21st century.
All that money and still has the yucky focus se radio. At least they could have put in the sony stereo with the woofer.
Torque steering gives me feedback and I love it, don't mind at all!
Looks alright, hate the mis matched hood color. Gives that rice look. Those hood vents probably go no where and provide nothing too. This is essentially a 15k appearance package.
I don't understand why Ford wouldn't make a vehicle like this in AWD.
they DO, we just don't get it in the US. it's called the RS model but luckily, it's rumored that ford will be giving the focus here in the US the AWD treatment as well as the 2.3L ecoboost currently in the new mustang. If it happens, it's going to shut down the entire hot hatch market.
FastRedPonyCar actually in europe its still fwd it uses a rev knuckle design which stabilizes the car even more. this is the first year that the rs will be awd
crzzymnn911 In the New York International Auto Show they debuted the American Ford Focus RS. It is in fact AWD and will be putting down 310+ hp. Look it up. It's an amazing looking car.
BK Buns 340hp. numbers got leaked on ford's italian website I believe.
Even better haha I have a feeling its gonna be one of the hottest hatches for a while
This dude just said that the Shelby Focus ST and the Subaru STi are basically the same car? Smoke crack much? Also, Cobb Stage 3 is a little over 3k for the same power..
No, he said at the core, they're basically the same kind of "animal". Meaning that deep down, they have some very close similarities. Both have 4 cylinder turbocharged engines, both have 4 doors. They're both typically purchased by the "same" type of people.
If this is going to be a Shelby Focus ST they really need to do more to the engine and the car itself. Slap an AWD on it, make it a twin turbo 4 with around 400 hp and make it much more aggressive than it already is. That's my opinion for this car. But I still like it ill-regardless :)
"Slap AWD on it and 400 HP", huh? And how much would that cost.....?
38 would be good if it had that standard on a limited Shelby Focus. Why would someone pay 38 grand for better looks and a pathetic hp raise of only 30 at most even if it is limited? At least sup it up a little more.
Christopher Thomas As I posted before; "People; If you don't like it or the price - don't buy it. It's very simple. Nobody really cares why you disagree with this car. And the tester was very honest and accurat'.e
+Glenn Pady You've obviously haven't heard of freedom of speech.
Christopher Thomas Okay. If you feel you must. But your words are superfluous
I think Shelby fell down and bumped his head. A bunch of decals, some cheap imitation carbon fiber and an exhaust system for $15,000? You could damn near buy the entire Cobb catalogue for less than that?! These ppl are on crack! And by the way, those are 18" wheels, not 20's. You are obviously just a talking head and have no idea what you're even reviewing.
so all they did was put a shifter and exhaust on it?
Torque steer is not an issue with these cars, just something for him to talk about, yes it's present but not very much and is never unnerving.
Not worth it, the car can reach that same hp with after market parts and still have tons of money to play around with
38,500!!!! for ONLY a 10hp gain with a bunch of CF bits, shelby logo, so-so exhaust, CAI(that does nothing even tuned, the stock intake is fine), and wheels
nope, nope, nope
why cant reviewers not be full of shit and simply speak the truth? oh because no one will give them products to test because they call it how they see it!
Agreed. Not sure why he's trying to convince us that this car is a good (or even decent) value. The main argument is that it's a tiny bit cheaper than the Golf R. C'mon! The Golf R has to be one of the worst deals in the enthusiast car field. Sure you get some exclusivity, but that exclusivity is not worth $38k. Mustang GT and STI are just two of many examples of cars that offer more value for the money.
WRX because it's simply better daily driver. Which what this car does the best. Sti when being way too expensive for DD is too stiff and has components required for more track oriented use. With Focus Shelby it's weird - one who can afford it most likely rocking GT500 or similar. And rest of more younger demographic would be happy with base ST and have fun gradually modifying it if required. Hence Shelby is just weird product in my eyes. Review is great. See you around Ortega ;)
I understand. So let's take a look for a sake of comparison. Suspension - what exactly is different between stock ST and Shelby? Brakes - taking ave price of Stoptech BBK set ~3 to 4k four corners. Or go with exactly the same Wilwoods. Wheels/tires - well this is bolt on and if you track your car you most likely end up with set of rpf1s and super sticky tires in smaller sizes due to cost etc. Hence stock ST package makes sense when Shelby makes little to none given the package price.
LOL for 15k i could get an atp turbo kit, FMIC, lightweight crank pulley, CA, 3" catback, 3" downpipe, tune, short shifter kit, big brake kit, front strut bar etc and be making at least 400whp... and no fake carbonfiber
I spent about 6K and did a turbo upgrade, fmic, cat back, down pipe, cold pipe, hot pipe, blow off valve, Cobb accessport, rear, passenger & driver motor mount, cold air intake and would blow the doors off this thing. What a rip off Shelby. A couple of carbon fiber bits, a few stickers and a mild tune for 15K. I guess there are 500 suckers out there
Exhaust 700 ish. downpipe call it 300-400 ish
Cobb Accessport 500-600 ish
Intake+inlet pipe 300 ish
Brakes 2000 ish
Suspension 1300 coils
You can get a lot better of a car still do all the upgrades and maybe go up a size on the turbo. 15000 extra is insane.
The WRX is noisy, runs rough, gets poor gas mileage, has crude cabin tech, has poor reliability, is ugly, has poor resale value, but other than that it's a great car.
I'd rather have a Mustang GT than an STI, the STI has huge turbo lag, aka complete lack of bottom end power.
That is very fake carbon fiber under the hood. For 15k that is just unacceptable. Not only that but the COBB Tuning Focus ST is much better and sounds way nicer for way less money. This version of the ST is junk.
Maybe if the idiots at Shelby didn't rice out this ST, this video wouldn't have had so many thumbs down. I love the Focus ST but this one looks hideous. I don't give two squirts if it goes 1000mph, it looks fucking gay.
I think potential buyer would want to modify stock ST. For much less $ too. It won't look rice with black hood and other bits. Also I'd rather have base WRX any day over what? Sync and short shifter.. really?
I have to disagree on the blending in part... bright yellow paint and black trim bits aren't exactly subtle.
I am very open, however, to the idea of a debate on the price point and what it gets you. I think you have to factor in a bit of the exclusivity what with this being a 500-unit run.
Yes, that means you have to be a massive fan of the Shelby brand of course... but you can't rule out the limited run even if you're not.
Still... there is more fun for less out there. I agree.
So I wonder how much you'd save by just buying all of the parts on your own from Borla, Steeda, Ford Racing, etc and installing them yourself and skipping the Shelby name? Probably like $10k! LOL. Yea, it's a limited edition, but I'd rather customize it myself so that it is 1 of 1, not of 500 prebought. BTW, where's the CAI you speak of? It looks like the factory airbox with a faux carbon fiber wrap on it to me.
I think your BBK estimate is pretty low; Brembo's run $3k per pair, and you still have to consider install cost so that lowers the price gap . But yes, tuning yourself is much better than this.
Its sad how cars have truly become a marketing scheme. Seriously if shelby were alive he would spit on this car. Its a shame. Also. Is fucking stupid. Get a chip tune on the regular focus for 500$ and have the same power....38000 for this omg...FF layout is shit. All you can is go straight. No snow fun no rain run. No corner fun.
The car your talking about does not have 20's on it...you should do your research or at least look down before you talk specs. That car does have TSW's but they are 18's
It's far more than Sync and a short shifter. It's suspension, brakes, wheels, tires, and a bit more.
A base WRX? Why? That's a heavier 265 hp car... if you're going to compare, go with the STI.
Boy? Racer? I don't know a boy who can afford 29.000.u are out of tune get it tune automotive joke there. Back to school for you
Hell if your gonna put all that power in the car might as well put more money in to get it rwd or 4wd all that power in front has to be hard I wouldn't want to fight that car evertime I wanna haul ass.
And if you want to waste your money order the ST Shelby what’s the big deal you can Beef up your st for less money
Jeff..you really need your own channel.Sorry but this is what i call wasted talent!!!
I have a 05 sti I would not trade it for that .......maybe a mustang but not a focus
Can't post a link, but if you go to the Autoweek story of the car they got a shot of it.
its not the H.P. that matter that much its the torque numbers with this car.
my stock st looks better. they made the st look cheap.
If they made it look a littpe similar to the RS I'd choose it over the Toyota 86
No such animal, from Ford Directly......
this "carbon look" fake water transfer foil looks awful
that shelby sticker is HORRIBLE.
I wish Shelby would have saved all this for the rs.
Lol torque steer...be a man and grip that wheel
+1 Just because... Nicolas Cage look alike
People; If you don't like it or the price - don't buy it. It's very simple. Nobody really cares why you disagree with this car. And the tester was very honest and accurate.
The whole point of youtube comments is to voice your opinion. If the uploader didn't wan't others commenting, he/she would have disabled comments. If you don't like others opinions, don't read them!
And don't read mine.
I enjoy reading your comments. I just don't agree with their content. :)
Shelby is dead nigga, don't worry tho
Great review. 38k for this is a huge ripoff. So much more out there for your money, especially when it looks like it does. For 38k you should grab attention and this car just blends in. I'd rather just buy a Mustang 5.0 and still be 8k ahead.
so it has a borla catback exsaut
a focus and a subbi are nothing alike and will not ever compare
What........ just because subaru use gay as awd lol
That looks hideous 😢😬
I'll just get an st and put an exhaust, intake, shifter, and a tune on it. That's the same for WAY cheaper. And this car doesn't compare to the sti. I would definitely get an sti over this with a $40,000 budget. No question.
Carrol Shelby Personally felt his favorite cars were his Turbo Dodges, the Focus is pretty much the successor to those cars.
38k get a mustang gt......
what a peice of shit for 38000
You can do all of this for much cheaper yourself. You can even get more power for less money by purchasing a Mazda Speed3, and mod it for over 300+ whp for less money. Beautiful car, but the 2.0 liter with a small turbo really limits what can be done aftermarket, Either way, Shelby will just take your money. Do it yourself.
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I’m guessing we can’t get this car in the uk? The ST is a great hatchback on it’s own.
buy then repaint...
It's great to have you back with some new reviews! I appreciate your non-nonsense attitude and in-depth knowledge. Looking forward to more of your great quality work in the days ahead!
I appreciate the calm, reasonable debate on RUclips... I'm nearly astonished! haha.
You make truly excellent points.
Me encanta este carro estaria cool q tuviera nitro? ? Es turbo chorger?
So... are the parts real carbon fiber, or not?
In uk superchips do a plug in remap for $500 290 bhp simple
merc AMG A45 for my money...
dammmm that sounds like a v8
Nice review!!! very detailed and fluent
Did they fit an LSD?
how can you forget the dakota
BMW 435 coupe 2014 the best option.
The Mercedes C250 sports edition would be better than a BMW
No mention of the Speed3? For less than $3k you can make a mazdaspeed3 run circles around this shelby ST.
Or take a regular Ford Focus ST and spend a similar amount ot money and make it better...... Have you realized that the Mazda 3s are based on the Ford Focus? Research your ideas, sir.
You sir need the research! The ST's lack of a mechanical LSD, its smaller K03 turbo and its relatively weak clutch/tranny limit the headroom you'll get when modding. Yea sure you can make it fast with 3k invested, but the speed3 can be had for less and have far more hp/tq gains with 3k worth of mods. Not to mention the speed platform has been around a lot longer, offering more aftermarket parts/dealers.
My "opinions" are researched. Are yours?
AlexTheGreat89 The "3" has always been based on the Focus platform and so have many Mazda vehicles. Ford (engineering) designs. Are you telling me that the # has a different transmission that the ST? Regardless, if you wanted sheer hp, you wouldn't buy either car, There are several cheaper cars that make more power. Also, you totally missed my point.
Glenn Pady And this wasn't about the 3 versus the ST.....A shelby ST, 'remember?
You missed MY point. The speed3 is one of the best bang for your buck performance cars you can buy new. I was merely saying that during this whole video review there was no mention of the mazda. I am quite aware of fords past part ownership of mazda. That is not the case nowadays. And yes, the speed3's clutch/flywheel/tranny is different than the st's. I would love to hear of a new car under 23k new that makes more torque and hp than the speed3 by the way.Stock for stock.
I'm also aware this isn't about the ST vs the speed3 or the shelby ST vs anything. If you don't like my opinion, move on! This particular ST is a giant waste of money, and I think most here would agree.
Gayyyy.overated.its a freaking gay focus
Damn dude u always saying some negative shit like can't u give props sometimes????
I give lots of props but not for shit like this.
king SRT8 true lol
Nope not at all.
VWRabbit2008 hahahahhahahahahhaaha you ricer fanboy i do have one dumbass
badging, 5 carbon fiber parts, cheap wheels, new brakes, a new hood, and a tune. $50,000 msrp.