@@greg6509 I have never seen the bouncing so exaggerated so I cannot speak on its authenticity. But, the bouncing that I have personally seen and experienced personally is caused by the Body’s attempt to regain its balance once it realizes that it has been uprooted. A lot of these guys look like they are jumping most of the time. In my experience, it feels more like you are trying to maintain your balance while walking on a sheet of ice.
Sorry but this is legit and both of you have never touched hands with a master I’m afraid. It’s not surprising because they are few but don’t cast judgment from a limited perspective, it might just block you from ever meeting one
If you live in France, I can take the offer. However there is a caveat, you have to 'cooperate', that is you should stick to me (not losing contact) and not attack me haha. You have to understand that they are from the same school, therefore there is the "learning " attitude approach. A little bit like in boxing when you are training a combination on pads...it works 100% of the time because your partner is helping you. The exercise here is listening to the 'jin' energy, therefore you are not running away from it, you let the master control your body up to the discomfort. The jump is to get rid of the discomfort and the stomping is for dispersing the energy, a little bit like tapping the mat in aikido when falling down, it puts you on guard more quickly instead of following the energy of the jump.
It comes from years of refinement and practice with a legitimate method. Because true transmission is taught inner door, it is hard to find a legitimate teacher who is willing to share. It is a training exercise and not used for fighting. How it translates to martial application is that you can easily break the opponent’s structure and sever their root. The hits are secondary and easy to apply once this is achieved. Hope this helps 🙏🏻
I guess the first guy is Master Ma Chang Xun. But who's the second Master that came in at time 6:28? Is he Liu Wan Cang? Thank you so much for the video...
@@TakWahLeung I need to feel this for myself. I think that I’ve had the honor of pushing hands with a very good master but nothing like this. I’m not sure how I feel about this being realistic. I am in the USA, California. Can you recommend anyone out here?
Jeff A. They do that to avoid incurring pain like the obligatory blinking of an eye at the slightest approach of danger to the eye; the body does what it does sometimes and other times if the wheel power is intact then it does what it does to avoid worst repercussions.
It is obvious that he was just a bit more carefull because she is a lady, thats all. It is ridiculous to think that older people just stage an event like this to show on youtube. I felt this myself and it was absolutely real.
The jumping away seems like a bit of nonsense. That would not happen to any modern fighter. Still Tai Chi in general is a good art but all the no-touch stuff I think is nonsense.
I have a good meant question only on true disciples of chi tai children masters: What is the difference of Shamanism ,devil or evil energies,spirits acting through a person and when it is only pure bioenergy field (chi or Qi )? I can never find anything explaining from genuine martial arts masters on this one. Thanks to all good meant answers.
because martial artists don't know. u have to ask people who belong to esoteric or occult schools. shamanism deals with all types of spirits not necessarily bad ones. predominately nature spirits. but only a highly evolved shaman will know the difference between good and bad spirits. take Carlos Castaneda's books for example. the shaman he meets deals with dark spirits but it is disguised in Carlos books as beneficial spirits, which is wrong. Carlos should know better. whenever the spirits contacted evoke sensations and feelings of fright, terror, darkness, pessimism and so on, u are dealing with negative spirits and dark realms. Carlos books seem to be designed to slowly initiate people to the dark path. demonic/satanic entities are intelligent spirits who will contact a shaman if he is not careful. and it is his duty to choose not to deal with them. but some shamans don't mind and so they start treading a dangerous path that often ends up destroying themselves. when spirits are acting through a person they have different degrees of influence. from a total takeover, to only inspire certain thoughts and emotions. if u make love to a person who has demonic influences u might get them too if u are open on their low level. i have met such a few people in my life. in one case a woman whom i started a relationship with and after a few weeks i suddenly started becoming afraid of my own hands and i began to get images of wanting to see blood one day while having sex with her! no kidding! so i stopped the sex act immediately and asked her if she ever was afraid of her own hands, and she told me yes, all the time if she didn't take her medicine! and when i asked her if she ever had a wish to seeing blood while having sex, she said yes. it was one of her great sexual fantasies! so i ended the relationship shortly after and those feelings disappeared again, cause they were not my own. our own chi/energy/lifeforce is neutral. and according to our own inclinations and tendencies, we invest that chi into bad things or good things. think of chi as a fuel. this is why moral and spiritual values are important and much needed before becoming strong with chi. because one can do harm to others and oneself or get in contact with spirits of low and dark nature if one is too open. once u start practicing and u begin to develop a substantial amount of chi, your subconscious will start guiding and warning u when u are going in the wrong direction. listen to that inner voice. i get guidance through dreams. find a real school if u want to know more. cheers.
Thunder Flower there’s a difference between mediumship or passively hosting another spirit or entity or whatever you want to call it ; And dealing with polarities electrical and bioelectrical and piezoelectric energy’s- Try pushing against a bamboo pole and when you release it and it smacked you in the face, do you blame that on demons or mystical energies?
Think about qi like gravity. It is a conscious force but it is subjective and impersonal. Its not good or evil is just a force. You can hurt, heal or bounce people around with it. It has nothing to do with esoteric concepts such as spirits. You are using qi 24 hours a day but you aren't very good at it so you cannot direct it well. It's not separate from you and I would suggest you give no attention to the occult. What you believe to be true will exist in your life and if you're believing in evil spirits you'll be finding them in your life. Your mind makes real what you believe.
Angry Bird Fa Jin Has been spoken and written about for centuries and even thousands of years they call it a parlor trick or something only embarrasses the speaker
some years ago, in our dance classes, we called this rock‘n roll, then cha cha cha, now it is push hands!
remarkable!
Wonder full!
True masters
Very lucky that my Shifu is GM Ma Chang Xun's disciple. Many details are taught in every lesson.
Yes indeed. What causes the stomping after being issued the Jin?
@@greg6509 I have never seen the bouncing so exaggerated so I cannot speak on its authenticity. But, the bouncing that I have personally seen and experienced personally is caused by the Body’s attempt to regain its balance once it realizes that it has been uprooted. A lot of these guys look like they are jumping most of the time. In my experience, it feels more like you are trying to maintain your balance while walking on a sheet of ice.
I do Taiji and honestly the only power here is the power of sugestion.
Agree!
这就是为什么现在中国武术的名声不好……这不是真的……如果你相信这种胡说八道，那你就疯了！ ！
Sorry but this is legit and both of you have never touched hands with a master I’m afraid.
It’s not surprising because they are few but don’t cast judgment from a limited perspective, it might just block you from ever meeting one
He who makes me jump this way, i give him 3000 euros.
better start practicing yourself and save those 3000 euros.
Sounds like you need to see Adam Mizner
Give me a few years, I need to buy a new tube guitar amp anyway.
if you have 3000 euros, i can make you jump, not the same way though, because my skill is no where near that
If you live in France, I can take the offer. However there is a caveat, you have to 'cooperate', that is you should stick to me (not losing contact) and not attack me haha.
You have to understand that they are from the same school, therefore there is the "learning " attitude approach. A little bit like in boxing when you are training a combination on pads...it works 100% of the time because your partner is helping you. The exercise here is listening to the 'jin' energy, therefore you are not running away from it, you let the master control your body up to the discomfort. The jump is to get rid of the discomfort and the stomping is for dispersing the energy, a little bit like tapping the mat in aikido when falling down, it puts you on guard more quickly instead of following the energy of the jump.
呢个馬長分可能是馬岳樑的兒子或孫。
尤其係紅衫大隻佬、四眼女人、斯文哥和老人家的反應都好真實，發力的方向也合理。
What has to be in place for us to control our opponent like this.
Also how is this used in combat.
It comes from years of refinement and practice with a legitimate method. Because true transmission is taught inner door, it is hard to find a legitimate teacher who is willing to share. It is a training exercise and not used for fighting. How it translates to martial application is that you can easily break the opponent’s structure and sever their root.
The hits are secondary and easy to apply once this is achieved.
Hope this helps 🙏🏻
I need to feel this for myself. I'm from the UK, what can I do?
Where in UK do you live? I can recommend you a very good Taiji Master in London.
@@kimnayung I live in Wales
@@kimnayung who if I may ask?
@@jackchu7331 Sifu Yan long Jiang. He is 5th generation teacher in London. He teaches the original Wutaiji fighting.
@@kimnayung wow thanks!, What days does this teacher teach and at what venue?
What is the name of the master, who demonstrate tuishou in the second part of the video? 这个视频第二部示范太极推手的老师叫什么名字？
Максим Грязнов I don't know too
I guess maybe is Master Yu ZiShun (于子顺).
zhang de yong
He is master Ma student, Zhang De Yong
全佑 ---> 王茂齋 ---> 王子英 ---> 劉晚蒼 ---> 馬長勳
Greatness!
I guess the first guy is Master Ma Chang Xun.
But who's the second Master that came in at time 6:28?
Is he Liu Wan Cang?
Thank you so much for the video...
Mind & Qi are One I dont know but not Liu Wan Cang because Liu pass way already
Grandmaster Liu WanCang (1905-1990) passed away long time ago... The second master maybe is Yu ZiShun (于子顺).
@@TakWahLeung I need to feel this for myself. I think that I’ve had the honor of pushing hands with a very good master but nothing like this. I’m not sure how I feel about this being realistic. I am in the USA, California. Can you recommend anyone out here?
The obligatory jumping and stamping the feet is so ridiculous and ruins any credibility
Jeff A. They do that to avoid incurring pain like the obligatory blinking of an eye at the slightest approach of danger to the eye; the body does what it does sometimes and other times if the wheel power is intact then it does what it does to avoid worst repercussions.
Jeff A. Tried standing on a hot plate without moving willfully and having someone else see that you ruined the credibility of the plate being hot
It's so they don't fall on their ass or face like the guy in the red jacket.
at 4:45
一群传销的吧，
我就是不信这些。
如果让我遇上，我变成残废也要用我的拳头请教一下🙄
ทำไมเค้าถึงกระโดดครับ ความรู้สึกมันเป็นอย่างไงหรอ ครับ
นั่นสิ ไม่มีคนไทยเลย5555
ผมก็อยากรู้เหมือนกัน
play it in 2X speed and some Benny Hill music
And do you know, what country and what place is it?
+Максим Грязнов It is in Beijing, China
If not mistaken is in Beijing, because Master Ma lived there.
At least that old man can jump
Is he related to the late Ma Yueh Liang?
No, he come from the northern Wu style
Geez...the young lady at the end wearing the green down vest must not have been coached on when to jump and fall...bad quality control
It is obvious that he was just a bit more carefull because she is a lady, thats all. It is ridiculous to think that older people just stage an event like this to show on youtube. I felt this myself and it was absolutely real.
its not like he emits the same amount. too much and people will get hurt
请问马老师过後的老师是谁 ?
王子英与刘万苍
Thank you Master Liang
张德勇
The jumping away seems like a bit of nonsense. That would not happen to any modern fighter. Still Tai Chi in general is a good art but all the no-touch stuff I think is nonsense.
This is BS. Come on now.
I have a good meant question only on true disciples of chi tai children masters:
What is the difference of Shamanism ,devil or evil energies,spirits acting through a person and when it is only pure bioenergy field (chi or Qi )?
I can never find anything explaining from genuine martial arts masters on this one.
Thanks to all good meant answers.
馬長動
because martial artists don't know. u have to ask people who belong to esoteric or occult schools.
shamanism deals with all types of spirits not necessarily bad ones. predominately nature spirits. but only a highly evolved shaman will know the difference between good and bad spirits. take Carlos Castaneda's books for example. the shaman he meets deals with dark spirits but it is disguised in Carlos books as beneficial spirits, which is wrong. Carlos should know better. whenever the spirits contacted evoke sensations and feelings of fright, terror, darkness, pessimism and so on, u are dealing with negative spirits and dark realms. Carlos books seem to be designed to slowly initiate people to the dark path.
demonic/satanic entities are intelligent spirits who will contact a shaman if he is not careful. and it is his duty to choose not to deal with them. but some shamans don't mind and so they start treading a dangerous path that often ends up destroying themselves.
when spirits are acting through a person they have different degrees of influence. from a total takeover, to only inspire certain thoughts and emotions. if u make love to a person who has demonic influences u might get them too if u are open on their low level. i have met such a few people in my life. in one case a woman whom i started a relationship with and after a few weeks i suddenly started becoming afraid of my own hands and i began to get images of wanting to see blood one day while having sex with her! no kidding! so i stopped the sex act immediately and asked her if she ever was afraid of her own hands, and she told me yes, all the time if she didn't take her medicine! and when i asked her if she ever had a wish to seeing blood while having sex, she said yes. it was one of her great sexual fantasies! so i ended the relationship shortly after and those feelings disappeared again, cause they were not my own.
our own chi/energy/lifeforce is neutral. and according to our own inclinations and tendencies, we invest that chi into bad things or good things. think of chi as a fuel. this is why moral and spiritual values are important and much needed before becoming strong with chi. because one can do harm to others and oneself or get in contact with spirits of low and dark nature if one is too open. once u start practicing and u begin to develop a substantial amount of chi, your subconscious will start guiding and warning u when u are going in the wrong direction. listen to that inner voice. i get guidance through dreams.
find a real school if u want to know more.
cheers.
Thunder Flower there’s a difference between mediumship or passively hosting another spirit or entity or whatever you want to call it ; And dealing with polarities electrical and bioelectrical and piezoelectric energy’s-
Try pushing against a bamboo pole and when you release it and it smacked you in the face, do you blame that on demons or mystical energies?
Think about qi like gravity. It is a conscious force but it is subjective and impersonal. Its not good or evil is just a force. You can hurt, heal or bounce people around with it. It has nothing to do with esoteric concepts such as spirits. You are using qi 24 hours a day but you aren't very good at it so you cannot direct it well. It's not separate from you and I would suggest you give no attention to the occult. What you believe to be true will exist in your life and if you're believing in evil spirits you'll be finding them in your life. Your mind makes real what you believe.
This really looks fake. But I wouldn't bet.
Oh, comon on, show it agienst box, restling
Check out Huang Shang shyen going up against a Mongolian wrestler 20 years is junior
@@bwahaha9242 To me this dont look impressiv. His whole tricks like let them jump or pushing few yards backward dont work on him.
@@Gieszkanne
watch?v=XQcrOm6ATzM&t=25s
watch?v=OvK_CXCEowY
?
Fake
so fake...........
Angry Bird Fa Jin Has been spoken and written about for centuries and even thousands of years they call it a parlor trick or something only embarrasses the speaker
假東西，真不知羞恥！
马长勋先生还在世，您大可可以前去一试
假到出汁