One thing I always appreciate about your videos is even when you're losing to unfair decks, you still keep up that winning attitude. You seemed so bummed losing to Urza's Saga, but you ended the match with a 'We'll get 'em next time.' That's good sportsmanship, and one of my favorite parts of your janky brews
Also in that same match in game 3, he grabs a damping sphere turn 2 when a coating would have locked his opponent out of the game immediately. Why not go for it then?
Maybe Grief could work, instead of goyf. You have enough value to pitch extra copies of planeswalkers or carths. Also, you can get to 4 mana turn 2 and hardcast it early
in theory yes, but Goyf is great at surviving the very early game. And as you saw in round 1 game 2, you don't always have dorks despite running 8. But might be worth testing
Why does this deck play Goyf? Why not just make it Jund so the 2-drop spot can be Wrenn and Six? The land recursion would work well with Nissa, and it’s more hits for Carth.
My personal opinion, Goyf is a wonderful card, just meh .. not in this deck.. sure it did a couple things like you're always wanting a Goyf to do, but I think you're neglecting Ugin, The ineffable which reduces 2 colorless for your colorless spells (i.e.- your wish-board and your main pw of this build.. Karn.) It could address your lack of enchantment removal, and give you creatures/ card draw to power up Grist ability to answer creatures all while putting a card in your hand.. I'd honestly consider swapping dreadhorde general for it and giving it a whirl.
According to hypergeometric calculator, 49 cards in deck and 7 looks via carth, you were 92 and change percent likely to hit a walker match 2. you had less than 8% to whiff.
Cool list! But as others did, I'll suggest a card you might have missed and that is the lifegain land from WotS, beacon something. I get that it doesn't work with Utopia Sprawl but still, it seems like it could buy valuable time :)
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It could be good once the inevitable Bauble and Manamorphose banhammers drop.
I've tried Katya and she's insane (much better than 5MV Vraska). She exiles permanents and protects Carth. The 6MV BG Garruk is also good with Grist and 3MV Nissa making tokens.
I think that a 17:36 you were dead and the only thing that kept you alive was that you were indirectly bluffing a creature removal or the opponent didn't saw the line. But I don't think you realized that with scales and ozolith, opponent could have sac both inkmoth and one thopter to make the ravager a 8/8. Then sac the ravager to make the other thopter a 10/10. Then ozolith gets 8 counters and puts 9 on the thopter, making it a 19/19 flyer. Field of ruin wasn't saving you there
its the drawback of arbor elf decks. It was good in standard because there was no turn 1 colored ramp there but he needs lots of green sources to be able to consistently cast his ramp turn 1 and he has the restriction of having 2 black symbol spells(damnation). Maybe the list can be adapted to use beacons, it is an overlooked card.
The population size shouldn't be 60 on the calculator because you had already started playing. It should have been lower. So I think the odds were closer to 90 percent.
Carth super friends.? It's almost like my deck; sisay super friends. Except I play domri anarch of bolas, and oath of ajani, to pump sisay (1 isamaru). And I play gideon ally of zendikar and dakkon, along with Nissa vital force. Although to fix my Mana; which I'm mostly in naya, I put in 1 city of brass. since I don't own a Mana confluence.
I also play a sisay superfriends deck with kethis, mox amber and a bunch of powerful walkers. Mostly abzan but with oath of nissa I have no trouble splashing UR for walkers. Very powerful, very fun and great grinding power with kethis replaying leg permanents from the gy.
Imagine complaining about saga when you have a planeswalker who infinite for one, shut down all opposing artifacts and kill a land each turn 🙃. Otherwise great video, the deck was really fun to watch !
The thing is, even control decks play it with only expedition map as their artifact to loop them over and over. it is just THAT kind of powerful (which begs the question of how bad playtesting it got)
Deck seems sweet even just a couple minutes into the match, but a question: any specific reason to run Liquimetal Coating instead of the new one that can also tap for mana?
Carth has the Waste Not problem. The card itself is busted and easily the best at what it can do and can win games. But without Carth the deck is nowhere near powerful
This guy has the worst voice in magic, i have to switch videos cause i cant take it. Don't you have to have a good voice to be making videos like these?
Dude, Saff's job is amazing, he's pretty good on what he does (gameplay narration, knowledge about the game, funny comments), this guy is awesome. If you wanna listen to a perfect deep charming voice, I think you are in the wrong place. Get lost.
@@interfanboy1908 direct condescending insults DOES NOT EQUAL "feedback like any other." Feedback is things like, "could you use these video filters that look better", "I hear audio clipping at timestamp ___", or "the cuts in your editing seem harsh or abrupt." Those are feedback. Telling Seth his voice is unprofessional and "the worst in magic" is INSULTING and uncalled for. Would you appreciate it if in a job interview the hiring manager across the desk from YOU told you "you're too ugly for this job"? I sincerely HOPE you have enough self esteem to see that as a problem.
One thing I always appreciate about your videos is even when you're losing to unfair decks, you still keep up that winning attitude. You seemed so bummed losing to Urza's Saga, but you ended the match with a 'We'll get 'em next time.' That's good sportsmanship, and one of my favorite parts of your janky brews
“Carth is pretty good” he said destroying one land per turn with a one card combo
Carth makes said combo more consistent, as well as providing a sort of semi-protection in the form of card advantage.
@@bobbyb4998 Also semi-protection in the form of extra loyalty counters!
Also in that same match in game 3, he grabs a damping sphere turn 2 when a coating would have locked his opponent out of the game immediately. Why not go for it then?
True. Playing a bad composition of cards can still win you the game when individual cards like Karn are that strong
Honestly seth's deckbuilding looks awful.
How can you keep a Starting hand with three lands and four mana value >=4 cards ...
This deck was basically "Karn the great creator is a busted magic card"-deck
that should be the title of d deck
seth: eldrazi tron doesn't even get tron that often! they just occasionally drunkenly stumble into it!
opponent: draws nat tron three games in a row
Maybe opponent was reeeally drunk?
Maybe Grief could work, instead of goyf. You have enough value to pitch extra copies of planeswalkers or carths. Also, you can get to 4 mana turn 2 and hardcast it early
in theory yes, but Goyf is great at surviving the very early game. And as you saw in round 1 game 2, you don't always have dorks despite running 8. But might be worth testing
so what I've learned is that Carth turns all planeswalkers into Oko.
Underrated.
So… what would that turn oko into???
@@hattrickmawfucka6897 Okoko
Feels like Seth needs to play more XCOM if he thinks missing an 81% shot is unreasonable >:)
That is a failure rate of 1 out of every 5
I am tillted every 51% I lose. I was favoured to hit and this means getting unlucky
It's acually more than 81% because opening hand plus cards he drew before casting it
It's actually more than 81% because opening hand plus draws plus he put sample size of 6 instead of 7 for the calculation
@@breadknot4590 maybe but he didn't know that :)
17:10 Karn and if they put everything on an inkmoth, you tutor pithing needle and win the game on the spot.
Draws Karn against multiple Inkmoths, doesn't slam it into Pithing Needle. Oooookay then.
(I'm sorry if you saw a weird comment from me just now - I'd somehow mixed up Pithing Needle and Null Rod...)
Inkmoth Nexus is just a Land, not an Artifact Land, so Karn wouldn't stop it from turning into a creature.
@@BlackPrince1330 No, but Pithing Needle would!
Why does this deck play Goyf? Why not just make it Jund so the 2-drop spot can be Wrenn and Six? The land recursion would work well with Nissa, and it’s more hits for Carth.
As gross as that sounds probably because goyfs good on defense but Wrenn could be better.
Urzas saga was definitely the hogaak of the set
Had a friend make a Carth Golgari superfriends Nissa EDH deck. Did quite well. Digging seven deep is pretty sweet.
Ok but seriously that first match made me so happy. Game 3 was firing on all cylinders and it’s such a good thing to see against Tron 😍
Yes please get back to this at some point
@25:03 Your math is a bit off. It should be population size of 49, giving about 88% chance of one hit.
Not only that. Carth looks at 7 cards, not 6. So the odds of wiffing are actually only about 7.83%
Running the new all forest land and not nissa, who shakes the world?
My personal opinion, Goyf is a wonderful card, just meh .. not in this deck.. sure it did a couple things like you're always wanting a Goyf to do, but I think you're neglecting Ugin, The ineffable which reduces 2 colorless for your colorless spells (i.e.- your wish-board and your main pw of this build.. Karn.) It could address your lack of enchantment removal, and give you creatures/ card draw to power up Grist ability to answer creatures all while putting a card in your hand.. I'd honestly consider swapping dreadhorde general for it and giving it a whirl.
I was wondering if there could be some kind of budget deck with a ton of War of the Spark uncommon Planeswalkers
You mean War of the Spark?
According to hypergeometric calculator, 49 cards in deck and 7 looks via carth, you were 92 and change percent likely to hit a walker match 2. you had less than 8% to whiff.
I love the good old Rock vibes.
*Evil laugh* I love where We're at on turn 3! Ha ha!
Cool list! But as others did, I'll suggest a card you might have missed and that is the lifegain land from WotS, beacon something. I get that it doesn't work with Utopia Sprawl but still, it seems like it could buy valuable time :)
It could be good once the inevitable Bauble and Manamorphose banhammers drop.
I too am hoping we get to see these both go!
Bauble probably, Manamorphose at this point is like Bolt, it isn't going anywhere anytime soon
I think if you try Abzan Super friends it might work out as well! Kaya the Inexorable would be pretty good include plus another world of removal!
I've tried Katya and she's insane (much better than 5MV Vraska). She exiles permanents and protects Carth. The 6MV BG Garruk is also good with Grist and 3MV Nissa making tokens.
Thumbs up for the 90 second intro alone.
9:20 "Opponent, trying to learn how to cast walking ballista, figures it out." Just the subtle little jibe 😆
Great list!
I'm a simple man. I hear "drunken stumbling nut-draw", I hit Like.
How is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME your 1st match up is against any sort of Tron deck?. Unbelieavable LOL.
I think that a 17:36 you were dead and the only thing that kept you alive was that you were indirectly bluffing a creature removal or the opponent didn't saw the line.
But I don't think you realized that with scales and ozolith, opponent could have sac both inkmoth and one thopter to make the ravager a 8/8. Then sac the ravager to make the other thopter a 10/10. Then ozolith gets 8 counters and puts 9 on the thopter, making it a 19/19 flyer. Field of ruin wasn't saving you there
I feel like Fracturing Gust will become the next must-have sideboard card
I'm so torn about Urza's Saga. On one hand it seems really nutty, but on the other it makes cool decks like Hardened Scales actually competitive.
In works of a carth deathcloud build. I'll send the list via Twitter when Im done
No love for Death Cloud :'(
How is Karn liquimetal coating not banned in modern, it is repeatable land destruction. It can effectively be a one sided Armageddon.
At least they banned the mycosynth lattice so the combo is a bit weaker.
No vorinclex?
Carth + Ugin means Ugin ultimates the following turn after you play it…
really wish carth was in historic
31:40 big agreement on that
Match 2, game 1 - why didnt we vraska the ozolith?
Holy moly, I love this
SETH, Interplanar Beacon!? Gain some life off planeswalker casts?
its the drawback of arbor elf decks. It was good in standard because there was no turn 1 colored ramp there but he needs lots of green sources to be able to consistently cast his ramp turn 1 and he has the restriction of having 2 black symbol spells(damnation). Maybe the list can be adapted to use beacons, it is an overlooked card.
Join the Carth Superfriends Modern Discord! discord.gg/s52xwEef
5 color garth with oath of nissa want world tree
this deck can ddo explosive things thanks to utopia sprawl + arbor elf
21:05 should really thin with the fetch first
The population size shouldn't be 60 on the calculator because you had already started playing. It should have been lower. So I think the odds were closer to 90 percent.
Carth super friends.? It's almost like my deck; sisay super friends. Except I play domri anarch of bolas, and oath of ajani, to pump sisay (1 isamaru). And I play gideon ally of zendikar and dakkon, along with Nissa vital force. Although to fix my Mana; which I'm mostly in naya, I put in 1 city of brass. since I don't own a Mana confluence.
Oath of Nissa brainstorms and fixes mana
I also play a sisay superfriends deck with kethis, mox amber and a bunch of powerful walkers. Mostly abzan but with oath of nissa I have no trouble splashing UR for walkers. Very powerful, very fun and great grinding power with kethis replaying leg permanents from the gy.
Imagine complaining about saga when you have a planeswalker who infinite for one, shut down all opposing artifacts and kill a land each turn 🙃. Otherwise great video, the deck was really fun to watch !
The thing is, even control decks play it with only expedition map as their artifact to loop them over and over. it is just THAT kind of powerful (which begs the question of how bad playtesting it got)
@@rpglover5955 playtesters confirmed the current iteration of Urza’s Saga was not playtested.
Deck seems sweet even just a couple minutes into the match, but a question: any specific reason to run Liquimetal Coating instead of the new one that can also tap for mana?
Liquimetal Coating can target lands, letting it serve as land destruction when paired with KTGC's +1 ability.
@@Bluedime777 Oh wow, never read the nonland part of that card before, glad I checked before brewing something with it myself that doesn't work!
Quoth the Raven, Carth the Lion
Carth has the Waste Not problem. The card itself is busted and easily the best at what it can do and can win games. But without Carth the deck is nowhere near powerful
Just barely past the halfway mark of the video and Seth salt levels are very high :')
Well urza's saga is going to get the ban hammer. The only question is : when?
i woulda made planeswalkers cost 1 less somehow
HAD to be a better choice for the deck than Goyf. It did pretty much nothing every time it hit the board. It’s time has passed. Let it go….
people are so brainwashed to just stuff in goyf if the play green n need a low casting costs creature. : (
Karn + Coating sucks the fun out of these games
You complained a lot this episode. I am a huge fan but it can get very I guess annoying for lack of a better word.
This guy has the worst voice in magic, i have to switch videos cause i cant take it. Don't you have to have a good voice to be making videos like these?
And yet you commented on his video, helping him in the youtube algorithm! Thanks from all his fans. Now go away.
Dude, Saff's job is amazing, he's pretty good on what he does (gameplay narration, knowledge about the game, funny comments), this guy is awesome. If you wanna listen to a perfect deep charming voice, I think you are in the wrong place. Get lost.
@@Fyrefrye The content is great, his voice is awful. Just feedback like any other, no need to get defensive
@@DinoMarcoccia I will get lost. just figured I'd give the channel some feedback. didnt realize i struck a chord w you dino
@@interfanboy1908 direct condescending insults DOES NOT EQUAL "feedback like any other." Feedback is things like, "could you use these video filters that look better", "I hear audio clipping at timestamp ___", or "the cuts in your editing seem harsh or abrupt." Those are feedback. Telling Seth his voice is unprofessional and "the worst in magic" is INSULTING and uncalled for. Would you appreciate it if in a job interview the hiring manager across the desk from YOU told you "you're too ugly for this job"?
I sincerely HOPE you have enough self esteem to see that as a problem.