The Jotun Loki, aka the Wolf's Mother, is said to to have given birth to Odin's two-horse-power horse. In the Icelandic text, Reginsmál, he's depicted in a Scythian hat, connecting him with the older culture of the Caucasus, which had been breeding horse and hound for a long time: if Odinic culture wanted the best then adopting Loki symbolically preserved the old ways.
Giants are the expression of abundant power without the corresponding expression of abundant knowledge and wisdom. An animal with a disproportionate ratio of brain size to body mass is inevitably brutal, simple and instinctive. Dinosaurs are a fascinating study of this dichotomy. When seen as body mass, either through supernatural means or symbolically as that of the state, the unnatural jump in physical power and mass corrupts higher thought and wisdom and overwhelms the mind that did not grow along side and earn the right to use it or understand how to use it properly.
I am from Namibia, southern Africa. Last year, I was at the farm around the fireplace with my grandparents, the oldest in the family. They began telling us stories of giants living with their ancestors and the character traits these creatures had. Jonathan, the stories they told are similar to those you have just described. Due to my ignorance, I laughed and made sport. How could they believe in such myths? I asked. Hearing this from you, I am now beginning to connect the dots. There is so much digging for me to do. Thank you, Jonathan.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
@maxfunk5773 yeah but trying to explain it to others makes you into a crazy person. Me: "It's a proper/improper relationship between heaven and earth, duh." Other Person: **calls police**
@jacobgray676 😂😂 I'm the Other person and I just can't understand most of these videos but something about them entrances me and I want to understand but I just get lost so quick haha
This is why I'm wary of movements, since they have a tendency to become their own thing concerned with perpetuating themselves rather than continue to follow their telos to its end. I know a Floridian who once spoke of the "Save the Manatee" movement in his state. It popped up in the 70s and led the charge to do what it intended to do, and by the late 90s/2000s it had succeeded. Legislation and other acts had protected the manatees and they were finally declared safe. And the "Save the Manatee" people refused to believe it. They declared that there was a conspiracy between scientists and fish and game to hide the fact that manatees were still under threat and refused to accept their data. They continued on with what they were doing. But when you think of it, why wouldn't they? If the manatees were saved, the thing they'd worked towards for decades would be over. People's whole careers would be obsolete. The movement would have no reason to keep living and would die, so it refused to.
@@sdrc92126 a better problem is the issues around the poverty line and how the bar keeps being raised as people keep being pulled out of it maintaining the impression that poverty as we know it is rife. We're a long way in the West from a century or more ago when people made a dollar a day.
I like your stuff. I've been thinking about Giants since I read 1st Enoch 40 years ago at age twelve though, and I know it's not merely symbolism, although symbolism is involved in every aspect of what we are. I enjoy both this podcaste and Lord of Spirits.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...the heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, his view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? He talks about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have he ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Does he realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so he doesn't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - so he should go & learn basic Scripture! Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😅 Btw the Lord of the Spirits in Enoch is in fact the person of the Holy Spirit.
@@animula6908 No, actually that pagan Gnostic channel (disguised as us eastern Orthodox) is all pretentious and symbolic & for the life of me I can't imagine how could anyone not fall asleep listening to that useless boring nonsense which doesn't contribute ANYTHING for understanding our holy faith
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree? 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I am fluent in the Hebrew & 1 Enoch doesn't contradict the Bible in any way, it is 100% true oral Tradition recorded by the Essenes, from which came Jesus, John the Baptist & most of the Apostles, and is quoted in Jude even, so get education. And the word "giants" doesn't exist in the original text, only names of their species
Hello Jonathan. I am grateful to you, I am currently doing an anime symbolical analysis in yours and Peterson's style, and this just "clicked" on my head. I am happy I watched this video
I’m rewatching Attack on Titan. The main character goes off the rails and it irritates me, but I’d love to hear your analysis of the anime. Thanks for your work Jonathan.
More like the 3 letters agencies who took a life of their own, compete against each other, their loyalty is to themselves, and often work against the country that generated them.
Would love your take on the connection between this pattern and that of clowns. A guy on YT has pretty in depth analysis of their relationship, and it would seem to connect to things you've said about clowns in the past.
A few years ago I thought deeply about the corruption of Christian values in modern society. The values are still there but they have no unifying purpose. They exist for most because they seemingly always have existed, but without the underlying principle they have become corrupted into things like Diversity Inclusion Equity doctrine, Critical Race Theory, or toleration of sinful behavior under the guise of being nice. By the end of a few weeks of thinking about this, I had the image in my head of a man with arms where his head should be, trying to climb a steep cliff but failing despite his many arms because he could not see. Listening to you talk about giants, I think the symbolism is the same.
If we are talking about giantswould be interesting to see Jonathan do a symbolic analysis of Attack of Titan anime series. I think it is really interesting.
Well the titan powers enter the world whe Ymir falls into a giant tree and touches the ancient source of its life, but because of her fear and lack of proper guidance the power is only used for destruction and is passed down through cannibalism. The giant tree is supposed to look ancient, and I think trees like that can represent the connection between things in heaven and Earth, but she falls in which represents that the interaction here is not properly aimed upward. Then she interacts with the source of that heaven and Earth life connection. She only has guidance from a brutal human king who should be below that source of heaven and Earth connection. The ancientness of the tree connects to that idea of giants as remnants of an old world. The cannibalistic passing down of power shows the deapths of how this power is now misaligned. And thats all from like half an episode, so yeah a proper symbolic AoT analysis would be great.
@@crushinnihilism I didn't mention Yggdrasil. I was mentioning symbolism related to the giant tree. The giant tree that has the ancient source of living matter, which then goes on to connect the lives of all eldians, that tree is symbolicly related to trees that are found in various mythologies.
It’s always been weird to me how the castration of Uranus creates the personification of beauty in Aphrodite. I don’t understand how in their view this improper accidental thing creates something fundamental like beauty.
Emmeduranki means, Where Heaven and Earth meet. He and his son Ubaratutu (Utu/Chemosh) are the last two kings recorded on the Sumerian King's list before the Flood.
This is the first I’ve ever seen any orthadox dig into this stuff! Amazing amazing how close we where to the remenants of nephelim too all over America in burial mounds they lived up until the 17-1800
Wish Heiser was alive for them to engage in a discussion on this. From my perspective, Heiser was trying to read scripture through the lens of an ancient Israelite. Pageau seems to be reading symbolism into everything. A conversation would’ve been amazing!
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-search online for these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
We found giants (and even called them Nephilim) during the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers. Also, Genesis 6 is such an interesting chapter. The first half dealing with the Nephilim is an inversion of the Annunciation, or the beginning of Christ’s life, and the end of Genesis 6 and the flood is an inversion of Christ’s death. The Sons of God force themselves on human women resulting in a race of warrior giants who bring more violence into the world resulting in its destruction. In Luke 1 Gabriel comes to Mary and through her fiat a helpless child is born bringing peace on earth and goodwill to men and it ultimately leads to the salvation of the world. And then of course in the flood, one man and his family are spared while the earth is destroyed, and in Christ one man sacrifices himself for the salvation of the world.
You look too young to have been on that mission. "the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers" resulted in two reports: the original one that was accepted as is and the "evil report" by unreliable guys whom God rebuked but you seem to believe them. As for, "giants" the key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree? Note that you wrote Nephilim's actions resulted in the world's destruction but then you asserted Nephilim in Canaan post-flood so are you claiming that God failed?
I don’t doubt the validity of this symbolic interpretation. But I don’t think finding a perennial, and symbolic interpretation negates the possibility of real giants having existed. It would be like saying, because we can find a metaphorical meaning behind the great flood that it didn’t happen. I understand people will scoff that giants could have existed, I would encourage you to look into it and not take popular consensus as fact without looking for yourself. Love the channel, and your work Johnathan ❤
No, and the purpose of understanding the symbolic meaning of things isn’t to negate the literal. If anything it’s about understanding that things can’t be symbolic unless there’s a literal, concrete thing for them to symbolize. These patterns really do present themselves repeatedly in a variety of ways, even when cultures outlaw them and ban them and convince people they are nonsense and fairytales. There they come again, reiterating themselves regardless. The truth is hard to rule I guess. But if you only see them as literal, sole isolated incidents then it’s easy to look upon the same pattern and fail to recognize it, because you’ve failed to understand these patterns are imposed from a higher power and won’t just go away if you stop believing in them.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
Reminds me of the legend of Atlantis, something above coming down to mingle with something below. In the legend the god Poseidon is attracted to a female women, and he begets children with her, the first child being Atlas, the first king of Atlas, and from his line descend the Atlantean kings, and slowly these hybrid race of beings begin to degenerate and wage war and bloodshed upon the Earth and are destroyed in a flood.
@JonathanPageau - Thank you for this insightful share on the examples when the Body is too big with little to no Head. My question is are there examples of the opposite where the imbalance is too large of a Head and little to no Body?
Your question immediately brings to mind all the “awareness” campaigns. Everybody “shows support” or “gives a voice” to or “promotes awareness” about some issue that everyone already knows about, but that isn’t simple to resolve, and in some cases it isn’t even possible to solve because of human nature and human limitations. They always try to present it as though telling people a problem exists that people already know exists is somehow a meaningful contribution toward solving the problem. Sometimes these no-bodies giants feed the no-heads by funneling general support for the idea of solving a problem into misguided counterproductive initiatives (like when the general fear over Covid fed into the draconian and apparently futile/dangerous mandates, for example). When all you have are feelings toward a topic, and no measurable goals, you will be more primed to accept any action that claims to address the topic as appropriate, no matter how unlikely it is to result in a good outcome. It’s interesting that those absent of bodies and those absent of heads don’t balance each other, but amplify each other’s deficiencies. As if humans can’t rely on human institutions to provide, even when they have the resource that you need. Those in need have to direct the integration of the resource for it to serve its purpose, but if those in need lack “body” then they can’t digest what they consume of the resources thrown at them by the smallheaded institutions. Idk how far off I might be, but I’ll try to remember to ask this on the next patrons-only q & a, because now I’m curious too.
@@tulganandvaldyavin6930 Oooooooh, I really like this observation. As we age our bodies get bigger in relation to our heads that do not grow at the same rate. This could be another example of the idea Jesus mentions that we must “be like children” to “enter the kingdom of heaven.” Thank you for your response. Love this group and everyone’s insights that they share:)
Really love your work and this explanation specifically! I was imediatly looking for examples of giants in the real world, and I realized that they might also not be so straight forward to bucket them as, lets say a company or a certain technology but rather the way in which it is used. So as an example if i think about the internet as a (sub)system with the goal of connection people and spreading information around the world(assuming a bit here that that was the goal), then you can easily see that over time some great benefit has come from that. Lets say proper alignment between the higher goal and the technologies. But if you look at the amount of misinformation that is also traveling around, being amplified and even intentionally made up for clicks and views, id say that is definitly a big body without much head(purpose). How do we slay these giants Jonathan?
These giants are only slayed as David slayed Goliath. By finding their weaknesses and hitting them hard where it hurts them the most. With regards to the giant Apple, every year I got defeated. Last year when they released Iphone 15, I acted as David, and I have won, I hit Apple where it hurt it the most, not paying over $1.000 for a phone that was $100 to produce. Let there be more Davids to slay this giant, as this Apple principality in the world, that has tremendous power, does not properly align its goals with the earth, or with the people. It only wants to grow bigger. What grows bigger will only slam us harder later. We've been slammed with Apple parts that are serially coded and our phones do not accept them because they do not come directly from Apple. Another Giant (government) is in cahoots with the Apple giant and both orchestrate how to destroy the earth (the people) and strip it of its power. We can't even replace a battery in our phone anymore if it is not a genuine Apple part. We are all feeding the giant instead of starving him. We are feeding it too well, too richly I would say. The more we feed it, the more it will eat us all. So the time has come for many of us to be David, and as ONE corporate David, to defeat this Goliath. Another giant is the one that tells us that very soon we won't own anything anymore and we'll be happy. The world is full of f***ed up giants. They all need to be slayed! We can fight Goliath by asking the other Giant (Government) to make better laws, but giants are usually friends, and better laws will not always be made in our favour. It may seem like that for a while, but the small print will prove that we've just been f***ed again. Davids all over the world, let's wake up and defeat Goliath! Another giant is RUclips. This giant is well know for allowing us to speak only what it likes to hear. How much will we stand such rubbish? F**k all the giants that act like gods and oppress the people! F**k them all! The answer is: STOP FEEDING THEM! STARVE THEM till they'll beg you to feed them coz otherwise they'll die of hunger. And feed them only when they'll agree to listen to the people: eg. put removable batteries in our phones, allow us to change the parts in our phones by ourselves, and even create an APPLE designed guide about how to desolder, reball and solder back again their newest CPU successfully. Or any other chip in the phones. WAKE UP DAVID!!! Goliath is at hand!
I'm personally quite sure that many myths of giants arose to give explanation for later peoples observing megalithic monuments. In Britain, dolmens structures showing off some VERY impressive abilities in manipulating mighty boulders (Brownshill dolmen in Ireland sports a 150tonne capstone though most are around 10tonnes) ...those monuments were generally constructed around 3500 BC, with some stone circles, stone rows coming over the following millennium. So, by year zero, they were 3500 years old and their builders long forgotten. Similar traditions appear right around the world, they generally appear to cease with the coming of iron working for reasons I'll not go into here. So, these monuments litter the landscape and they must gave been noted by later occupants... occupants who had no idea how they were constructed and had no equivalent craft in their age. So, there we have a very obvious inspiration to tell tales of giants and those tales remain existent in the British Isles to this day. To be honest, I do find it slightly puzzling that this begins with scripture... since folkloric tales of giants go way back and appear in regions and cultures completely disconnected from Christianity... to begin with their symbolism there seems to be neglecting to acknowledge the roots that symbol grew from.
The unequal yoke as an element of perversion of the people was always a biblical story in the old testament, on the return from Babylonian captivity the book of ESDRAS And the prophet Malachi returns to face this relationship indicating that the purification of the people involves getting rid of these marriages with foreigners from other nations who have other moral values and gods.
Hi Jonathan, why do you think the BFG is so compelling, or the Iron Giant (Revelation symbolism in the book with the Dragon?) And probably some others. Is the representation of some Giants in compelling narratives as heroic just subversion in your eyes or does it serve a different narrative trope?
Do you mean all the giants that you’ve met? Because this is the first time I’ve ever heard giants having two sets of teeth in my whole life😄 But after hearing this and his Enoch video, it sounds like they ought to. Because they are designed to consume and integrate the strange in thoughtless ways. That’s one of the ways they threaten society. They reduce order and peace to chaos and violence, turning spirit into body by devouring normal balanced people and building ever huger bodies from meat that once had spirit. They’re maneaters, you know.
"The Giant's Drink was used as a psycho-analysis tool, and it often had damaging effects on the students. It was common for a student to have suicidal thoughts if they dwelt on the seemingly impossible game; however, Pinual was the only student to kill himself after trying to beat the level. In the game, there was a giant who asked the player to drink from one of the two cups in front of him. He said that if they won, he would take them to Fairyland. Normally, no one could get past this part, as both drinks would kill the player. However, instead of choosing between the two drinks, Ender Wiggin killed the giant by having his character burrow into the giant's eye. As the giant's corpse fell to the ground, Ender's character found himself in the very same Fairyland that the giant had promised him." Ender's Game Wiki, Mind Game
The discussion around the concept of time and the dead ancient ones brought to mind 'The Martian Chronicles' and building on the bones of an ancient civilization...and with the development of AI are we creating the 'Colossus' who will rule over us...
You talk about the connection between power and giants when you mentioned the book of Enoch. What about viewing the giants as meaning that has become one-sided because of the power drive behind it? You take away the power and the desire and the giant deflates, so that the meaning can become viewed again in its proper context (in relation to other intelligencies and principles of meaning). I am thinking about this because of the Jungian interpretation of giants and cyclopes as one-sided emotions that take over..
Thus, the key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
19:20 In other words the structure of the giants narrative is archetypal. Jung met a giant(Izdubar) on his wanderings in the Red Book, here is a bit: Two bull horns rise from his great head, and a rattling suit of armor covers his chest. His black beard is ruffled and decked with exquisite stones. The giant is carrying a sparkling double axe in his hand, like those used to strike bulls. Before I can recover from my amazed fright, the giant is standing before me. I look at his face: it is faint and pale and deeply wrinkled. His almond-shaped eyes look at me astonished. Horror takes hold of me: this is Izdubar, the mighty, the bull-man. He stands and looks at me: his face speaks of consuming inner fear, and his hands and knees tremble. Izdubar, the powerful bull trembling? Is he frightened? I call out to him: Jung: “Oh, Izdubar, most powerful, spare my life and forgive me for lying like a worm in your path.” Izdubar : “I do not want your life. Where do you come from?” Jung: “I come from the West.” Izdubar: “You come from the West? Do you know of the Western lands? Is this the right way to the Western lands?” Jung: “I come from a Western land, whose coast washes against the great Western sea.” Izdubar: “Does the sun sink in that sea? Or does it touch the solid land in its decline?” Jung: “The sun sinks far beyond the sea.” Izdubar: “Beyond the sea? What lies there?” Jung: “There is nothing but empty space there. As you know, the earth is round and moreover it turns around the sun.” Izdubar: “Damned one, where do you get such knowledge? So there is no immortal land where the sun goes down to be reborn? Are you speaking the truth?” His eyes flicker with fury and fear. He steps a thundering pace closer. I tremble.
Oh wow, Jung’s encounter with Izdubar is such a clear symbolic representation of our modern scientific worldview encountering the ancient archetypal worldview, or collective unconscious, which is so divorced from our current empirical literalist way of thinking that it could only be represented as a giant.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...your heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, your view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? You talk about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have you ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Do you realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so you don't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - learn basic Scripture! Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😂🤦
I think pretty soon Johnathan is going to bump up against someone like Diana Walsh Pasulka and American Cosmic. Or Jacques Valley, I'd be very interested to see how a conversation like this would go
@@JonathanPageau Ha! Interesting. I was quite uncomfortable reading it. I think it's the line between the nice "thinky talky" internet culture we have and what most people mean when they say "literal". Jacques Valley's Passport to Magonia is also very unsettling. Interested to hear what you think about it all
It seems like everything in the world has some symbolism behind it. So, even though the Giants were real, probably or whatever it was there, still a larger meaning, and a bigger picture. I believe that’s what you are telling us with all of the symbolism. You go deeper you not just stick with the surface. And that’s really great because we can’t stop and not dive deeper or climb higher. Thank you.
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
I'm confused because a lot of what you say about giants can also apply to monsters like dog headed people. My best guess is that monsters represent the more chaotic aspect of the margin but giants manifest a kind of order that is foreign, unknown, or lost to us. Or they are ordered towards an idol.
In norse paganism all the Gods are Jötunn...They're all giants. They're not a seperate species. More like a different tribe. Pageau really doesn't do well outside of a poor ChristianIzation of other religions
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
At last, AT LAST, I can answer the question: “Oh tell me why, do we build castles in the sky?” A esoteric abstract question embedded as the signature line in a club-banger has now been revealed.
Why do you think it is, that in the world of cryptid sightings, sasquatch sighting reports seem to have gone through the roof in the past four years? Also: I never paid any attention to them at all until I began looking into Orthodoxy 4 years ago. And after the LoS episode on the Giants, YT algorithms began popping up cryptid podcasts, some surprisingly intelligent and well made. I don't know what to make of it, but something frightening seems to be going on for many people, enough so that seasoned, life long hunters refuse to step in the woods again. Then take David Paulides podcast Missing 411, the CanAm Project, collecting data on all the people who go missing in national parks and wilderneess areas, which our own government does not keep data on. It would be interesting to hear a talk with you and Wes Garman. If anything, there's a potential world of people out there who may be open to learning about Orthodoxy.
Isn’t one part of the story that humans mated with fallen angels in exchange for technology? Curious how that would tie into this type of interpretation
The golden goose Jacks bean was invested in mother earth by accident in his foolish immaturity and in that act is the birth of desire for the golden goose because tragedy rubs even the top. We aren't meant to be Jack or the giant.
I appreciate the connections and reasoning but it feels you’re also neglecting basic reality (or literalism) of all these global stories and the possibilities of a very different ecosystem existing in the ancient past.
@josephpchajek2685 That's not what he's doing though at all if you truly understand what he's doing he's not putting a lense of symbolism over the bible in fact that wouldn't even be symbolism if he did that. If he did something like that I would be the first one to reject it. What he's doing is using the bibles own categories as a lense to look at reality through. He's not imposing some random arbitrary lense onto the text but rather uses the text itself as its own lense and finds the patterns across different instantiations in the text and then sees the patterns repeat across different levels of reality. There is no dichotomy between symbolic and literal. If you think there is a dichotomy between symbolic in the way Pageau uses it and literal then you are strawmanning Pageau and aren't even talking about the same thing. He rather thinks all of reality is symbolic on every single level even what you call "literal" is already symbolic necessarily so. This perspective is more nuanced than you think I promise, it's a ancient way of seeing the world it requires you to take off your materialistic glasses for a moment and adopt the biblical ancient worldview where experiance is primary to technical descriptions then you find out that these patterns are the precondition for even perception or anything at all, it reveals to you the pattern of reality, and in no way does this also deny a historical reality btw.
Symbols follow the physical world as a reflection. Giants cannot exist as a symbol without a reality that gives the symbol its power. A tree as a symbol for example, would be meaningless if there was no such thing as a tree.
There are of course symbols which do not have a physical reality but those symbols have a localized meaning, they are not then universal. The fact that there is a unifying principle to be seen in giant symbolism amplifies the case that they had a physical form. Perhaps only as an expression of ourselves but nevertheless based in the physical reality and expressed in the symbolic.
Great video. I think we could also look at giants through the psychological lens, a homogenous way of thinking that offers security in the egregore at the cost of sacrificing individuality
jonathan you really don't have to drew parallels across all the different mythologies. like everything else they are hierarchical. drawing parallels between the antecedent narrative, that in the enochian book of the watchers from the caves of qumran with later, diluted, warped greek, roman etc narratives really does a disservice to the extant narrative
Where do you think they get material from? Media and entertainment either incorporate timeless themes or expend endless energy trying to subvert them to prove we don’t have to be subject to them, but they certainly can’t be accused of originality either way.
@@animula6908 true. Nothing new under the sun and all that. I find it interesting to think about how differently the game developers might see and interpret those things being that they come from a different culture and history.
Is all the supernatural imagery in the Bible, Greek mythology, etc. just symbolism for more pedestrian experiences? It makes a lot more sense. We often hear how the descriptions of evil in the Bible are covertly talking about Rome. Jonathan mentions this in the video about 666.
Can it be said that giants the result of certain seeds of truth being planted somewhere and having fruit but the seeds are not organized and mixed up so the result isn't quite right? Do heresies produce giants?
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
I’d like to hear your thoughts on Timothy Alberino’s work especially his book Birthright. Hearing both you two discuss these topics would make a great podcast episode. God bless you sir 💯
Well friend, you just proved my point (as have the dozens of other people with whom I've basically had the same discussion): you don't know of any such citations and when asked for them you can't provide them because you don't know of any such citations. And just like, "the military" isn't a citation, neither is, "one of the soldiers." I know it's fun to listen to guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians for a living but now you see that it's just an internet hoax and you should rebuke LA Marzulli and the plagiarist Stephen Quayle rather then defending them and enriching them even more.
The Bhagavad Gita says the un-holy union of men and women of different station is the reason for religious and thus civilizational decline which is echoed in the laws of manu
So, do I understand correctly, that you only believe Biblical fallen angels and giants (Nephilim) are merely symbolic? What are your thoughts about the mission given to the children of Israel (see Deuteronomy 1-4) being commanded to wipe out the remnant giant tribes? What do you think about Jacob and Caleb trying to encourage the children of Israel to obey the Lord’s command to go and conquer the land of milk and honey which was inhabited by giants? Do you believe that all of the ancient, global stories about physical giants are merely coincidental stories of symbolism?
You do not understand correctly, but you'd be forgiven considering this is a small clip and does not contain the necessary context to understand Jonathan's view of symbolism. Symbolism is not mutually exclusive with real events. Think about how your car represents the freedom to travel, but is also a physical object. Your car was formed for a purpose and it's form communicates that purpose. He doesn't mean symbolic in the way that letters are symbols. More like how a gift is symbolic of friendship. More about purpose than representing.
Since you wrote, "giants (Nephilim)" then there's literally zero reliable indication of "wipe out the remnant giant tribes" since they didn't make it past the flood.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom finishing publishing but its going to he called Table of Nations: Nimrod since its part of my larger table of nations series. First part is out on Japheth. I might just shorten it to "Nimrod" and make the table of nations a subtitle but i dont know i like the consistency of the series (Ham is already written but not published either)
@@giffica Sounds interesting. I know what you mean about the series thing since I've written a few of them and the balance is keeping it fresh whilst being consistent.
The literal definition of giants In Greek and Roman mythology, the Giants, also called Gigantes (Greek: Γίγαντες, Gígantes, singular: Γίγας, Gígas), were a race of great strength and aggression, though not necessarily of great size.
What Jonathan says here regarding the Nephilim and Giants is a bit ironic cause for example in the Darksiders game series the Nephilim serve as embodiments of Christian values and that story is done in a very solid way. Same thing with the Diablo universe.
9:30 This is so interesting because the implication would be that human women are in fact so massive in flesh, that only the direct image of God can give that mass enough purpose to create a coherent being
@@TonyMetal No? Then explain why Mary (a human woman) was chosen to birth the son of God. Infinite matter can only be met with infinite meaning/spirit/judgement. An angel is just a fraction of God, so it's not enough to balance the proportion in a human woman.
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project). The non-contradictory Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as polar opposite characters. Aren't contradictions false? 🤔
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this doesn't cause any problems for the discerning reader. "Aren't contradictions false?" not on some worldviews. For example, there's nothing wrong with contradictions, on Atheism.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I don't agree that a "discerning reader" has no problems with near 70,000 contradictions since I'm a discerning reader and I have 70,000 problems with it. And contradictions are nothing more than man-made errors. If you encounter one Check Your Premise (CYP). Eventually, people will see that a silly interpretation error caused so much chaos and choose the non-contradictory interpretation of the Bible instead. I won't even get into non-contradictory Math and Physics (Leibniz > Newton) haha.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom The reason project proved near 70,000 contradictions between the NT and OT and that's using the interpretation where the Gen 1 character and Gen 2 character are the same character. That's a false interpretation and I can show near 70,000 reasons why. You should Google images of the reason projects contradictions they found. That many contradictions is what a snake-oil salesman would tell you is the "truth".
@@ready1fire1aim1 I'm unsure why you're advertising for Google but I will note that the Reason Project's first step needs to be to justify condemning (supposed) contradictions.
@@stormhawk31 do you not believe a text can have multiple layers? I take Genesis 6:1-4 at face value and believe in its historicity, but I also believe the text has symbolic meaning as well.
I wonder if Napoleon will be remembered as a Giant in the dostant future. He claimed to be possessed by Destiny. Ironic, given the joke about his stature.
@@nathankurtz5960 What ruler are you judging this "perfect alignment" with? Sounds to me like you're acting as judge, jury, and defendant in your own trial.
Seems a bit broad, no pun intended. You seem to just be describing the pattern of the monster more generally. Moreover, I'm not sure I buy your take on the Giants in Jack and the Beanstalk. It looks like a bit of a deflection to point to "fractal patterns" and just say that the Giants there are an excess of body while being in the Heavens, because they are misaligned with a higher principal. I don't see that in any version of the tale I have ever heard. That story seems like an inverted version of Prometheous. Where rather than a Titan betraying the gods and bringing down technology, a human climbs up a beanstalk, reaches up into a land in the clouds and retreaves technology. To me, the fact that the Giants reside in the clouds is wrong, but not important. What us important is that when Jack is caught stealing from Heaven/The past, he is chased down to earth by the Giants, as in the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of his actions. These unintended consequences could, in view of this analysis, be seen as Giants. What is even more interesting is that he is saved from these consequences by yet more technology (read, an axe 🪓). To me, this makes Jack and the Beanstalk out to be a kind of inverted, Satanic fairy tale. I think that other aspects point to this conclusion as well. In the end, I do think this symbolism stuff can become a real way to study the world, but Pageaou is going to have to give up his postmodern word games for a more honest and rigorous approach.
@@unknown-zy6dp The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle.
Great video, just missing the logical devolution that informs our reality. The fall of the family, the uncomfortable truth of generational abuse. Fathers removed from the home by the mothers embrace of feminism with the children damaged through dereliction of duty. The modern family symbolised by the Kali Yuga with the cycles spinning the wheel.
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Giants are the expression of abundant power without the corresponding expression of abundant knowledge and wisdom.
An animal with a disproportionate ratio of brain size to body mass is inevitably brutal, simple and instinctive. Dinosaurs are a fascinating study of this dichotomy.
When seen as body mass, either through supernatural means or symbolically as that of the state, the unnatural jump in physical power and mass corrupts higher thought and wisdom and overwhelms the mind that did not grow along side and earn the right to use it or understand how to use it properly.
This ties the Giant of the wild uncivilized land and the supernatural or superstate oppressor together in a cycle.
I am from Namibia, southern Africa.
Last year, I was at the farm around the fireplace with my grandparents, the oldest in the family. They began telling us stories of giants living with their ancestors and the character traits these creatures had. Jonathan, the stories they told are similar to those you have just described. Due to my ignorance, I laughed and made sport. How could they believe in such myths? I asked. Hearing this from you, I am now beginning to connect the dots. There is so much digging for me to do.
Thank you, Jonathan.
I hope you contact your Nana and Papaw and say you're sorry! Ask for more info next time!
May God forgive us all for the times when we ignorantly considered ourselves too smart to believe the myths of our ancestors. ❤
Yes, make sure to reconcile! And record and write them all up, it's pure gold! You are very lucky to have this access.
Micheal Heiser… RIP!
Bless him😢
Yes!
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
Looking back on this after reading Matthews book. It is incredible how clear and simple the symbolism is.
It seems like something that should be taught, but isn't
Totally, it's like everything becomes self-evident.
@maxfunk5773 yeah but trying to explain it to others makes you into a crazy person.
Me: "It's a proper/improper relationship between heaven and earth, duh."
Other Person: **calls police**
@@jacobgray676 😂totally. Jonathan's ability to say it in a way that doesn't sound crazy is what makes him such an effective communicator.
@jacobgray676 😂😂 I'm the Other person and I just can't understand most of these videos but something about them entrances me and I want to understand but I just get lost so quick haha
This is why I'm wary of movements, since they have a tendency to become their own thing concerned with perpetuating themselves rather than continue to follow their telos to its end.
I know a Floridian who once spoke of the "Save the Manatee" movement in his state. It popped up in the 70s and led the charge to do what it intended to do, and by the late 90s/2000s it had succeeded. Legislation and other acts had protected the manatees and they were finally declared safe.
And the "Save the Manatee" people refused to believe it.
They declared that there was a conspiracy between scientists and fish and game to hide the fact that manatees were still under threat and refused to accept their data. They continued on with what they were doing.
But when you think of it, why wouldn't they? If the manatees were saved, the thing they'd worked towards for decades would be over. People's whole careers would be obsolete. The movement would have no reason to keep living and would die, so it refused to.
End homelessmess
@@sdrc92126 ?
Wut
@@nektulosnewbie If homelessness was ended, the people whose job it was to homelessness would be out of a job
@@sdrc92126 a better problem is the issues around the poverty line and how the bar keeps being raised as people keep being pulled out of it maintaining the impression that poverty as we know it is rife.
We're a long way in the West from a century or more ago when people made a dollar a day.
Wait, so manatees are not a protected species anymore? I've read reports from the 19th century that manatee meat is the most delicious.
I like your stuff. I've been thinking about Giants since I read 1st Enoch 40 years ago at age twelve though, and I know it's not merely symbolism, although symbolism is involved in every aspect of what we are. I enjoy both this podcaste and Lord of Spirits.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...the heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, his view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? He talks about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have he ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Does he realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so he doesn't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - so he should go & learn basic Scripture!
Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😅 Btw the Lord of the Spirits in Enoch is in fact the person of the Holy Spirit.
What I’ve learned from years of listening to this channel is that there’s no such thing as “merely symbolic.”
@@animula6908 No, actually that pagan Gnostic channel (disguised as us eastern Orthodox) is all pretentious and symbolic & for the life of me I can't imagine how could anyone not fall asleep listening to that useless boring nonsense which doesn't contribute ANYTHING for understanding our holy faith
The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I am fluent in the Hebrew & 1 Enoch doesn't contradict the Bible in any way, it is 100% true oral Tradition recorded by the Essenes, from which came Jesus, John the Baptist & most of the Apostles, and is quoted in Jude even, so get education.
And the word "giants" doesn't exist in the original text, only names of their species
Hello Jonathan. I am grateful to you, I am currently doing an anime symbolical analysis in yours and Peterson's style, and this just "clicked" on my head. I am happy I watched this video
I’m rewatching Attack on Titan. The main character goes off the rails and it irritates me, but I’d love to hear your analysis of the anime. Thanks for your work Jonathan.
ikr, imagine being around him lol
Isn't he a giant? Even come to be the giant of giants, basically the avatar of ymir's will?
The ape / giant connection is evocative of King Kong
The latest Kong V Godzilla movie had this symbolism heavy. Godzilla as the leviathan from the deep and Kong as the primal archaic human.
I’ve been waiting for a discussion like this.
Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Costco, Ford, Boeing are all giants
More like the 3 letters agencies who took a life of their own, compete against each other, their loyalty is to themselves, and often work against the country that generated them.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
@@Joe-sg9llMaybe more like false gods
Giants of industry
Disney, Nestlé, Blackrock, OpenAI, etc
Would love your take on the connection between this pattern and that of clowns. A guy on YT has pretty in depth analysis of their relationship, and it would seem to connect to things you've said about clowns in the past.
@@Joe-sg9ll I hesitate because it's not a great name but, 'understanding conspiracy."
@@Jim-Mc I breathe, you breathe, we breathe, they breathe.
(conspire means to breathe together, or be of one spirit.)
Well, there's a Pageau video about "clownworld" that talks about clowns also
A giant clown? That would be terrifying.
@@alfgand8040 Well they often have stilts and big feet.
Wow, this is a really good interpretation!
Great video, thank you!
A few years ago I thought deeply about the corruption of Christian values in modern society. The values are still there but they have no unifying purpose. They exist for most because they seemingly always have existed, but without the underlying principle they have become corrupted into things like Diversity Inclusion Equity doctrine, Critical Race Theory, or toleration of sinful behavior under the guise of being nice.
By the end of a few weeks of thinking about this, I had the image in my head of a man with arms where his head should be, trying to climb a steep cliff but failing despite his many arms because he could not see. Listening to you talk about giants, I think the symbolism is the same.
This makes me think about what an interesting conversation you could have with Diana Walsh Pasaulka.
This explanation makes "Megamind" character Hal's super power name all the more fitting for his story arc. Thanks!
So that its not just a joke about an Eggcorn hearing of "Titan/Tighten?" A la the Caananite Christopher being shown as a Caninite dogman?
@@JonCrs10 is it wrong that I have no idea what you are referencing in 75% of your comment? 😅
@@crawfordroses I don't think even he knows what he's talking about
If we are talking about giantswould be interesting to see Jonathan do a symbolic analysis of Attack of Titan anime series. I think it is really interesting.
Lame ending
Well the titan powers enter the world whe Ymir falls into a giant tree and touches the ancient source of its life, but because of her fear and lack of proper guidance the power is only used for destruction and is passed down through cannibalism. The giant tree is supposed to look ancient, and I think trees like that can represent the connection between things in heaven and Earth, but she falls in which represents that the interaction here is not properly aimed upward. Then she interacts with the source of that heaven and Earth life connection. She only has guidance from a brutal human king who should be below that source of heaven and Earth connection. The ancientness of the tree connects to that idea of giants as remnants of an old world. The cannibalistic passing down of power shows the deapths of how this power is now misaligned.
And thats all from like half an episode, so yeah a proper symbolic AoT analysis would be great.
@@Human-pj4mdYmir is never mentioned being near the Yggdrasil. Its not even clear they exist together
@@crushinnihilism I didn't mention Yggdrasil. I was mentioning symbolism related to the giant tree. The giant tree that has the ancient source of living matter, which then goes on to connect the lives of all eldians, that tree is symbolicly related to trees that are found in various mythologies.
@@Human-pj4md Yggdrasil is the cosmic tree in Norse cosmology
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It’s always been weird to me how the castration of Uranus creates the personification of beauty in Aphrodite. I don’t understand how in their view this improper accidental thing creates something fundamental like beauty.
it's so cool that you're talking about this
This came perfectly! I’ve been trying to better understand this topic.
Emmeduranki means, Where Heaven and Earth meet. He and his son Ubaratutu (Utu/Chemosh) are the last two kings recorded on the Sumerian King's list before the Flood.
12:40
Don't forget that, "Fee Fi Fo Fum"
is a reference to the rune Fehu.
....which pertains to greed and the pursuit of wealth.
It is hard to believe I have access to this type of content almost for free practically
This is the first I’ve ever seen any orthadox dig into this stuff! Amazing amazing how close we where to the remenants of nephelim too all over America in burial mounds they lived up until the 17-1800
Wish Heiser was alive for them to engage in a discussion on this. From my perspective, Heiser was trying to read scripture through the lens of an ancient Israelite. Pageau seems to be reading symbolism into everything. A conversation would’ve been amazing!
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-search online for these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
I can't believe he failed to mention your mom when discussing this topic
😂
We found giants (and even called them Nephilim) during the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers.
Also, Genesis 6 is such an interesting chapter. The first half dealing with the Nephilim is an inversion of the Annunciation, or the beginning of Christ’s life, and the end of Genesis 6 and the flood is an inversion of Christ’s death.
The Sons of God force themselves on human women resulting in a race of warrior giants who bring more violence into the world resulting in its destruction. In Luke 1 Gabriel comes to Mary and through her fiat a helpless child is born bringing peace on earth and goodwill to men and it ultimately leads to the salvation of the world.
And then of course in the flood, one man and his family are spared while the earth is destroyed, and in Christ one man sacrifices himself for the salvation of the world.
You look too young to have been on that mission.
"the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers" resulted in two reports: the original one that was accepted as is and the "evil report" by unreliable guys whom God rebuked but you seem to believe them.
As for, "giants" the key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
Note that you wrote Nephilim's actions resulted in the world's destruction but then you asserted Nephilim in Canaan post-flood so are you claiming that God failed?
Outstanding
I have to say that I perceive some things in a more literal way than Jonathan. Thanks for the video, of course!
Glad to hear heiser in this vid
I don’t doubt the validity of this symbolic interpretation. But I don’t think finding a perennial, and symbolic interpretation negates the possibility of real giants having existed.
It would be like saying, because we can find a metaphorical meaning behind the great flood that it didn’t happen.
I understand people will scoff that giants could have existed, I would encourage you to look into it and not take popular consensus as fact without looking for yourself.
Love the channel, and your work Johnathan ❤
No, and the purpose of understanding the symbolic meaning of things isn’t to negate the literal. If anything it’s about understanding that things can’t be symbolic unless there’s a literal, concrete thing for them to symbolize. These patterns really do present themselves repeatedly in a variety of ways, even when cultures outlaw them and ban them and convince people they are nonsense and fairytales. There they come again, reiterating themselves regardless. The truth is hard to rule I guess. But if you only see them as literal, sole isolated incidents then it’s easy to look upon the same pattern and fail to recognize it, because you’ve failed to understand these patterns are imposed from a higher power and won’t just go away if you stop believing in them.
Heiser changed my life
No kidding. Me, too.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
Reminds me of the legend of Atlantis, something above coming down to mingle with something below. In the legend the god Poseidon is attracted to a female women, and he begets children with her, the first child being Atlas, the first king of Atlas, and from his line descend the Atlantean kings, and slowly these hybrid race of beings begin to degenerate and wage war and bloodshed upon the Earth and are destroyed in a flood.
Watched this today on the way to work. Then a coworker of mine out of nowhere brought up the Nephalim. Strange day.
I love random synchronicities like that
@JonathanPageau - Thank you for this insightful share on the examples when the Body is too big with little to no Head. My question is are there examples of the opposite where the imbalance is too large of a Head and little to no Body?
Your question immediately brings to mind all the “awareness” campaigns. Everybody “shows support” or “gives a voice” to or “promotes awareness” about some issue that everyone already knows about, but that isn’t simple to resolve, and in some cases it isn’t even possible to solve because of human nature and human limitations. They always try to present it as though telling people a problem exists that people already know exists is somehow a meaningful contribution toward solving the problem.
Sometimes these no-bodies giants feed the no-heads by funneling general support for the idea of solving a problem into misguided counterproductive initiatives (like when the general fear over Covid fed into the draconian and apparently futile/dangerous mandates, for example).
When all you have are feelings toward a topic, and no measurable goals, you will be more primed to accept any action that claims to address the topic as appropriate, no matter how unlikely it is to result in a good outcome.
It’s interesting that those absent of bodies and those absent of heads don’t balance each other, but amplify each other’s deficiencies. As if humans can’t rely on human institutions to provide, even when they have the resource that you need. Those in need have to direct the integration of the resource for it to serve its purpose, but if those in need lack “body” then they can’t digest what they consume of the resources thrown at them by the smallheaded institutions.
Idk how far off I might be, but I’ll try to remember to ask this on the next patrons-only q & a, because now I’m curious too.
A baby has a big head and smaller body.
Also, grey aliens have a big head and spindly body.
@@tulganandvaldyavin6930 Oooooooh, I really like this observation. As we age our bodies get bigger in relation to our heads that do not grow at the same rate. This could be another example of the idea Jesus mentions that we must “be like children” to “enter the kingdom of heaven.” Thank you for your response. Love this group and everyone’s insights that they share:)
Hobbits :)
Really love your work and this explanation specifically! I was imediatly looking for examples of giants in the real world, and I realized that they might also not be so straight forward to bucket them as, lets say a company or a certain technology but rather the way in which it is used.
So as an example if i think about the internet as a (sub)system with the goal of connection people and spreading information around the world(assuming a bit here that that was the goal), then you can easily see that over time some great benefit has come from that. Lets say proper alignment between the higher goal and the technologies. But if you look at the amount of misinformation that is also traveling around, being amplified and even intentionally made up for clicks and views, id say that is definitly a big body without much head(purpose).
How do we slay these giants Jonathan?
These giants are only slayed as David slayed Goliath. By finding their weaknesses and hitting them hard where it hurts them the most.
With regards to the giant Apple, every year I got defeated. Last year when they released Iphone 15, I acted as David, and I have won, I hit Apple where it hurt it the most, not paying over $1.000 for a phone that was $100 to produce. Let there be more Davids to slay this giant, as this Apple principality in the world, that has tremendous power, does not properly align its goals with the earth, or with the people. It only wants to grow bigger. What grows bigger will only slam us harder later. We've been slammed with Apple parts that are serially coded and our phones do not accept them because they do not come directly from Apple.
Another Giant (government) is in cahoots with the Apple giant and both orchestrate how to destroy the earth (the people) and strip it of its power. We can't even replace a battery in our phone anymore if it is not a genuine Apple part. We are all feeding the giant instead of starving him. We are feeding it too well, too richly I would say. The more we feed it, the more it will eat us all. So the time has come for many of us to be David, and as ONE corporate David, to defeat this Goliath.
Another giant is the one that tells us that very soon we won't own anything anymore and we'll be happy. The world is full of f***ed up giants. They all need to be slayed!
We can fight Goliath by asking the other Giant (Government) to make better laws, but giants are usually friends, and better laws will not always be made in our favour. It may seem like that for a while, but the small print will prove that we've just been f***ed again. Davids all over the world, let's wake up and defeat Goliath!
Another giant is RUclips. This giant is well know for allowing us to speak only what it likes to hear. How much will we stand such rubbish? F**k all the giants that act like gods and oppress the people! F**k them all!
The answer is: STOP FEEDING THEM! STARVE THEM till they'll beg you to feed them coz otherwise they'll die of hunger. And feed them only when they'll agree to listen to the people: eg. put removable batteries in our phones, allow us to change the parts in our phones by ourselves, and even create an APPLE designed guide about how to desolder, reball and solder back again their newest CPU successfully. Or any other chip in the phones.
WAKE UP DAVID!!! Goliath is at hand!
I'm personally quite sure that many myths of giants arose to give explanation for later peoples observing megalithic monuments. In Britain, dolmens structures showing off some VERY impressive abilities in manipulating mighty boulders (Brownshill dolmen in Ireland sports a 150tonne capstone though most are around 10tonnes) ...those monuments were generally constructed around 3500 BC, with some stone circles, stone rows coming over the following millennium. So, by year zero, they were 3500 years old and their builders long forgotten.
Similar traditions appear right around the world, they generally appear to cease with the coming of iron working for reasons I'll not go into here.
So, these monuments litter the landscape and they must gave been noted by later occupants... occupants who had no idea how they were constructed and had no equivalent craft in their age. So, there we have a very obvious inspiration to tell tales of giants and those tales remain existent in the British Isles to this day.
To be honest, I do find it slightly puzzling that this begins with scripture... since folkloric tales of giants go way back and appear in regions and cultures completely disconnected from Christianity... to begin with their symbolism there seems to be neglecting to acknowledge the roots that symbol grew from.
What about the greek demigods? A lot of power with fatal flaws and often seen as (tragic) hero or "the best of both worlds"
The unequal yoke as an element of perversion of the people was always a biblical story in the old testament, on the return from Babylonian captivity the book of ESDRAS And the prophet Malachi returns to face this relationship indicating that the purification of the people involves getting rid of these marriages with foreigners from other nations who have other moral values and gods.
the freed Israelites were directed to the 'Land of the Giants' to inherit it, with it's massive vineyards....
Hi Jonathan, why do you think the BFG is so compelling, or the Iron Giant (Revelation symbolism in the book with the Dragon?) And probably some others. Is the representation of some Giants in compelling narratives as heroic just subversion in your eyes or does it serve a different narrative trope?
I'm just starting this one, but I've been wanting to ask Jonathan why Giants always have two sets of teeth. I'm really hoping he covers that!! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Do you mean all the giants that you’ve met? Because this is the first time I’ve ever heard giants having two sets of teeth in my whole life😄
But after hearing this and his Enoch video, it sounds like they ought to. Because they are designed to consume and integrate the strange in thoughtless ways. That’s one of the ways they threaten society. They reduce order and peace to chaos and violence, turning spirit into body by devouring normal balanced people and building ever huger bodies from meat that once had spirit. They’re maneaters, you know.
"The Giant's Drink was used as a psycho-analysis tool, and it often had damaging effects on the students. It was common for a student to have suicidal thoughts if they dwelt on the seemingly impossible game; however, Pinual was the only student to kill himself after trying to beat the level. In the game, there was a giant who asked the player to drink from one of the two cups in front of him. He said that if they won, he would take them to Fairyland. Normally, no one could get past this part, as both drinks would kill the player. However, instead of choosing between the two drinks, Ender Wiggin killed the giant by having his character burrow into the giant's eye. As the giant's corpse fell to the ground, Ender's character found himself in the very same Fairyland that the giant had promised him." Ender's Game Wiki, Mind Game
The discussion around the concept of time and the dead ancient ones brought to mind 'The Martian Chronicles' and building on the bones of an ancient civilization...and with the development of AI are we creating the 'Colossus' who will rule over us...
You talk about the connection between power and giants when you mentioned the book of Enoch. What about viewing the giants as meaning that has become one-sided because of the power drive behind it? You take away the power and the desire and the giant deflates, so that the meaning can become viewed again in its proper context (in relation to other intelligencies and principles of meaning). I am thinking about this because of the Jungian interpretation of giants and cyclopes as one-sided emotions that take over..
Thus, the key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
With it being fractal, does that mean that these ideas don't automatically mean that there weren't literal giants also? Genuine question.
Yes.
The right answer is "it doesn't matter."
As within, so without.
Biology does really scale that well. Robert Pershing Wadlow, the tallest person in recorded history could bare walk
the freed Israelites were directed to the 'Land of the Giants' to inherit it, with it's massive vineyards....
@@sdrc92126you're assuming the "giants" had human biology.
Spot on.
Good stuff
19:20 In other words the structure of the giants narrative is archetypal. Jung met a giant(Izdubar) on his wanderings in the Red Book, here is a bit:
Two bull horns rise from his great head, and a rattling suit of armor covers his chest. His black beard is ruffled and decked with exquisite stones. The giant is carrying a sparkling double axe in his hand, like those used to strike bulls. Before I can recover from my amazed fright, the giant is standing before me. I look at his face: it is faint and pale and deeply wrinkled. His almond-shaped eyes look at me astonished. Horror takes hold of me: this is Izdubar, the mighty, the bull-man. He stands and looks at me: his face speaks of consuming inner fear, and his hands and knees tremble. Izdubar, the powerful bull trembling? Is he frightened? I call out to him:
Jung: “Oh, Izdubar, most powerful, spare my life and forgive me for lying like a worm in your path.”
Izdubar : “I do not want your life. Where do you come from?”
Jung: “I come from the West.”
Izdubar: “You come from the West? Do you know of the Western lands? Is this the right way to the Western lands?”
Jung: “I come from a Western land, whose coast washes against the great Western sea.”
Izdubar: “Does the sun sink in that sea? Or does it touch the solid land in its decline?”
Jung: “The sun sinks far beyond the sea.”
Izdubar: “Beyond the sea? What lies there?”
Jung: “There is nothing but empty space there. As you know, the earth is round and moreover it turns around the sun.”
Izdubar: “Damned one, where do you get such knowledge? So there is no immortal land where the sun goes down to be reborn? Are you speaking the truth?”
His eyes flicker with fury and fear. He steps a thundering pace closer. I tremble.
That’s wild😂
Oh wow, Jung’s encounter with Izdubar is such a clear symbolic representation of our modern scientific worldview encountering the ancient archetypal worldview, or collective unconscious, which is so divorced from our current empirical literalist way of thinking that it could only be represented as a giant.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...your heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, your view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? You talk about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have you ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Do you realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so you don't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - learn basic Scripture!
Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😂🤦
@@jonjacksongrieger255 "Who longs for the impossible, I love. Enter with hope and joy, most daring mortal!" ~ Manto(Faust)
I think pretty soon Johnathan is going to bump up against someone like Diana Walsh Pasulka and American Cosmic.
Or Jacques Valley, I'd be very interested to see how a conversation like this would go
Reading American Cosmic now.
@@JonathanPageau Ha! Interesting.
I was quite uncomfortable reading it.
I think it's the line between the nice "thinky talky" internet culture we have and what most people mean when they say "literal".
Jacques Valley's Passport to Magonia is also very unsettling.
Interested to hear what you think about it all
It seems like everything in the world has some symbolism behind it. So, even though the Giants were real, probably or whatever it was there, still a larger meaning, and a bigger picture. I believe that’s what you are telling us with all of the symbolism. You go deeper you not just stick with the surface. And that’s really great because we can’t stop and not dive deeper or climb higher. Thank you.
The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
I'm confused because a lot of what you say about giants can also apply to monsters like dog headed people.
My best guess is that monsters represent the more chaotic aspect of the margin but giants manifest a kind of order that is foreign, unknown, or lost to us. Or they are ordered towards an idol.
Giants represent power, raw power, a juggernaut, but yes, you are right. Monsters in general have the same origin, I think.
In norse paganism all the Gods are Jötunn...They're all giants.
They're not a seperate species. More like a different tribe.
Pageau really doesn't do well outside of a poor ChristianIzation of other religions
I have a masters degree in advanced Pageaulogy and what you said seems just about right.
@@alfgand8040 Pageaulogy 😂😂😂 that's great hahahaha
The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
The real next question is how does this relate to Shrek?
At last, AT LAST, I can answer the question: “Oh tell me why, do we build castles in the sky?” A esoteric abstract question embedded as the signature line in a club-banger has now been revealed.
The Industrial Revolution, the Enlightenment, and Materialism are Titans.
Why do you think it is, that in the world of cryptid sightings, sasquatch sighting reports seem to have gone through the roof in the past four years? Also: I never paid any attention to them at all until I began looking into Orthodoxy 4 years ago. And after the LoS episode on the Giants, YT algorithms began popping up cryptid podcasts, some surprisingly intelligent and well made. I don't know what to make of it, but something frightening seems to be going on for many people, enough so that seasoned, life long hunters refuse to step in the woods again. Then take David Paulides podcast Missing 411, the CanAm Project, collecting data on all the people who go missing in national parks and wilderneess areas, which our own government does not keep data on.
It would be interesting to hear a talk with you and Wes Garman. If anything, there's a potential world of people out there who may be open to learning about Orthodoxy.
Nevada nephilim would be a great nfl team name
Do you think the idea of "giants being here before us?" Is connected someway to dinosaurs? Especially the idea that they are serpentine?
It’s great to see how your forehead has grown throughout the years 👏🏿
Isn’t one part of the story that humans mated with fallen angels in exchange for technology? Curious how that would tie into this type of interpretation
The golden goose
Jacks bean was invested in mother earth by accident in his foolish immaturity and in that act is the birth of desire for the golden goose because tragedy rubs even the top.
We aren't meant to be Jack or the giant.
Didn't Uranus's balls create Venus not giants?
I think video games were on to the latest wave of giant things before the rest of pop culture
What does it mean that so many people are searching for big foot, the North American giant?
I appreciate the connections and reasoning but it feels you’re also neglecting basic reality (or literalism) of all these global stories and the possibilities of a very different ecosystem existing in the ancient past.
He's not necessarily doing that, the pattern is fractal so can manifest on different levels, on a individual level for example.
@josephpchajek2685 That's not what he's doing though at all if you truly understand what he's doing he's not putting a lense of symbolism over the bible in fact that wouldn't even be symbolism if he did that. If he did something like that I would be the first one to reject it. What he's doing is using the bibles own categories as a lense to look at reality through. He's not imposing some random arbitrary lense onto the text but rather uses the text itself as its own lense and finds the patterns across different instantiations in the text and then sees the patterns repeat across different levels of reality. There is no dichotomy between symbolic and literal. If you think there is a dichotomy between symbolic in the way Pageau uses it and literal then you are strawmanning Pageau and aren't even talking about the same thing. He rather thinks all of reality is symbolic on every single level even what you call "literal" is already symbolic necessarily so. This perspective is more nuanced than you think I promise, it's a ancient way of seeing the world it requires you to take off your materialistic glasses for a moment and adopt the biblical ancient worldview where experiance is primary to technical descriptions then you find out that these patterns are the precondition for even perception or anything at all, it reveals to you the pattern of reality, and in no way does this also deny a historical reality btw.
Have any skeletal remains being unearthed? 😂
Symbols follow the physical world as a reflection. Giants cannot exist as a symbol without a reality that gives the symbol its power. A tree as a symbol for example, would be meaningless if there was no such thing as a tree.
There are of course symbols which do not have a physical reality but those symbols have a localized meaning, they are not then universal. The fact that there is a unifying principle to be seen in giant symbolism amplifies the case that they had a physical form. Perhaps only as an expression of ourselves but nevertheless based in the physical reality and expressed in the symbolic.
is that why dinosaurs are also birds?
Great video. I think we could also look at giants through the psychological lens, a homogenous way of thinking that offers security in the egregore at the cost of sacrificing individuality
Giants identified by mythology is my claim to fame. Giants are very real and mythology is very true in ways most people wouldn’t expect or believe.
jonathan you really don't have to drew parallels across all the different mythologies. like everything else they are hierarchical.
drawing parallels between the antecedent narrative, that in the enochian book of the watchers from the caves of qumran with later, diluted, warped greek, roman etc narratives really does a disservice to the extant narrative
You should talk about "Leviathan" by Hobbes and "Gulliver's Travels" by Swift.
* wendigoony intensifies 👀👀
Makes.me.think about the giants in the dark souls/demons souls games
Where do you think they get material from? Media and entertainment either incorporate timeless themes or expend endless energy trying to subvert them to prove we don’t have to be subject to them, but they certainly can’t be accused of originality either way.
@@animula6908 true. Nothing new under the sun and all that. I find it interesting to think about how differently the game developers might see and interpret those things being that they come from a different culture and history.
This seems to line up well with Sheikh Imran Housein's views.
Curious what Jonathan would say about the Nephilim from the Darksiders series and Diablo.
Is all the supernatural imagery in the Bible, Greek mythology, etc. just symbolism for more pedestrian experiences?
It makes a lot more sense.
We often hear how the descriptions of evil in the Bible are covertly talking about Rome.
Jonathan mentions this in the video about 666.
Can it be said that giants the result of certain seeds of truth being planted somewhere and having fruit but the seeds are not organized and mixed up so the result isn't quite right?
Do heresies produce giants?
That's not how giants are portrayed.
Heresy just means school of thought
@@crushinnihilism That's not what heresy is.
@@Cyrus_II except it is
The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
I’d like to hear your thoughts on Timothy Alberino’s work especially his book Birthright. Hearing both you two discuss these topics would make a great podcast episode. God bless you sir 💯
The Kandahar giant beat two seals to a pulp before they managed to take him out.
That's just an internet hoax.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom It’s documented by the military
@@vb6548Oh, excellent: then just provide quotations and citations, please.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Testimony from one of the soldiers. I guess you can read it and quotate and citate to your hearts content
Well friend, you just proved my point (as have the dozens of other people with whom I've basically had the same discussion): you don't know of any such citations and when asked for them you can't provide them because you don't know of any such citations. And just like, "the military" isn't a citation, neither is, "one of the soldiers." I know it's fun to listen to guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians for a living but now you see that it's just an internet hoax and you should rebuke LA Marzulli and the plagiarist Stephen Quayle rather then defending them and enriching them even more.
The Bhagavad Gita says the un-holy union of men and women of different station is the reason for religious and thus civilizational decline which is echoed in the laws of manu
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Jesus has become a Giant.
So, do I understand correctly, that you only believe Biblical fallen angels and giants (Nephilim) are merely symbolic?
What are your thoughts about the mission given to the children of Israel (see Deuteronomy 1-4) being commanded to wipe out the remnant giant tribes? What do you think about Jacob and Caleb trying to encourage the children of Israel to obey the Lord’s command to go and conquer the land of milk and honey which was inhabited by giants? Do you believe that all of the ancient, global stories about physical giants are merely coincidental stories of symbolism?
You do not understand correctly, but you'd be forgiven considering this is a small clip and does not contain the necessary context to understand Jonathan's view of symbolism. Symbolism is not mutually exclusive with real events. Think about how your car represents the freedom to travel, but is also a physical object. Your car was formed for a purpose and it's form communicates that purpose. He doesn't mean symbolic in the way that letters are symbols. More like how a gift is symbolic of friendship. More about purpose than representing.
Since you wrote, "giants (Nephilim)" then there's literally zero reliable indication of "wipe out the remnant giant tribes" since they didn't make it past the flood.
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It was angels not line of Seth the Bible is crystal clear on that context
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Lmao I just finished my book on nephilim and giants. Wow
Good timing, what's it about and what's it titled?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom finishing publishing but its going to he called Table of Nations: Nimrod since its part of my larger table of nations series. First part is out on Japheth. I might just shorten it to "Nimrod" and make the table of nations a subtitle but i dont know i like the consistency of the series (Ham is already written but not published either)
@@giffica Sounds interesting. I know what you mean about the series thing since I've written a few of them and the balance is keeping it fresh whilst being consistent.
Everything is a symbolic, until it is literal.
The literal definition of giants In Greek and Roman mythology, the Giants, also called Gigantes (Greek: Γίγαντες, Gígantes, singular: Γίγας, Gígas), were a race of great strength and aggression, though not necessarily of great size.
@@sdrc92126In norse paganism giants are Jötunn which means consumers or that which devours
What Jonathan says here regarding the Nephilim and Giants is a bit ironic cause for example in the Darksiders game series the Nephilim serve as embodiments of Christian values and that story is done in a very solid way. Same thing with the Diablo universe.
You look like Dan Harmon.
9:30 This is so interesting because the implication would be that human women are in fact so massive in flesh, that only the direct image of God can give that mass enough purpose to create a coherent being
I don't think that is the implication.
@@TonyMetal No? Then explain why Mary (a human woman) was chosen to birth the son of God. Infinite matter can only be met with infinite meaning/spirit/judgement. An angel is just a fraction of God, so it's not enough to balance the proportion in a human woman.
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project).
The non-contradictory Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as polar opposite characters.
Aren't contradictions false? 🤔
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this doesn't cause any problems for the discerning reader.
"Aren't contradictions false?" not on some worldviews. For example, there's nothing wrong with contradictions, on Atheism.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom
I don't agree that a "discerning reader" has no problems with near 70,000 contradictions since I'm a discerning reader and I have 70,000 problems with it.
And contradictions are nothing more than man-made errors. If you encounter one Check Your Premise (CYP).
Eventually, people will see that a silly interpretation error caused so much chaos and choose the non-contradictory interpretation of the Bible instead.
I won't even get into non-contradictory Math and Physics (Leibniz > Newton) haha.
@@ready1fire1aim1 I think that reading contradiction into Gen 1 and 2 is a man-made error, which is what you appear to be saying.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom
The reason project proved near 70,000 contradictions between the NT and OT and that's using the interpretation where the Gen 1 character and Gen 2 character are the same character.
That's a false interpretation and I can show near 70,000 reasons why. You should Google images of the reason projects contradictions they found. That many contradictions is what a snake-oil salesman would tell you is the "truth".
@@ready1fire1aim1 I'm unsure why you're advertising for Google but I will note that the Reason Project's first step needs to be to justify condemning (supposed) contradictions.
It's not symbolic. It's REAL.
False dichotomy :)
@@felixwalne3494 No, it's not.
@@stormhawk31 you can describe an event with historicity using symbolic language. Doing so does not negate the historicity or ‘realness’ of something.
@@felixwalne3494 The Bible is NOT speaking symbolically about any of this stuff. It's saying EXACTLY what it means.
@@stormhawk31 do you not believe a text can have multiple layers? I take Genesis 6:1-4 at face value and believe in its historicity, but I also believe the text has symbolic meaning as well.
I wonder if Napoleon will be remembered as a Giant in the dostant future. He claimed to be possessed by Destiny. Ironic, given the joke about his stature.
Jesus claimed to be posessed by God. Not that different.
@@notloki3377 No, Jesus claimed to BE God. "I and the Father are one." He was perfectly aligned with Heaven and Earth, so he can't be a giant.
@@nathankurtz5960 What ruler are you judging this "perfect alignment" with? Sounds to me like you're acting as judge, jury, and defendant in your own trial.
@@notloki3377 God is the ruler, we just believe the testimony of His Son.
@@OrchinX Genuine authority can stand up to questions.
If mental gymnastics was a sport this guy would be a medalist.
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Seems a bit broad, no pun intended. You seem to just be describing the pattern of the monster more generally.
Moreover, I'm not sure I buy your take on the Giants in Jack and the Beanstalk. It looks like a bit of a deflection to point to "fractal patterns" and just say that the Giants there are an excess of body while being in the Heavens, because they are misaligned with a higher principal. I don't see that in any version of the tale I have ever heard.
That story seems like an inverted version of Prometheous. Where rather than a Titan betraying the gods and bringing down technology, a human climbs up a beanstalk, reaches up into a land in the clouds and retreaves technology.
To me, the fact that the Giants reside in the clouds is wrong, but not important. What us important is that when Jack is caught stealing from Heaven/The past, he is chased down to earth by the Giants, as in the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of his actions. These unintended consequences could, in view of this analysis, be seen as Giants.
What is even more interesting is that he is saved from these consequences by yet more technology (read, an axe 🪓).
To me, this makes Jack and the Beanstalk out to be a kind of inverted, Satanic fairy tale. I think that other aspects point to this conclusion as well.
In the end, I do think this symbolism stuff can become a real way to study the world, but Pageaou is going to have to give up his postmodern word games for a more honest and rigorous approach.
Bump
Nephilm. That word you keep using, I don't think it means what you think it means.
What does it mean?
Still believe they are real
In Afghanistan and Solomon Islands forsure they roamed all over America too up until the 1700’s or so the watered down versions 8-20ft
@@unknown-zy6dp The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle.
Great video, just missing the logical devolution that informs our reality. The fall of the family, the uncomfortable truth of generational abuse. Fathers removed from the home by the mothers embrace of feminism with the children damaged through dereliction of duty. The modern family symbolised by the Kali Yuga with the cycles spinning the wheel.
Isn't it a pun? Nephilim are giants; Nephal means fall; Nephalim are the fallen ones. It's a joke. God like horrible Hebrew puns.
@@josephpchajek2685 It's pretty punny but I promise, no more punishment, okay Rapunzel?