The fact that Helen is so hysterical while Rev is so laid back always struck me as clever story craft. Especially since, in a lot of ways, Lovejoy was meant to play off of Flanders.
It's almost like he's the Edna Krabapple and she's the Ned Flanders in their relationship. Feels like they could have done more with that dynamic though, it's not super consistent.
@@bostonrailfan2427 sure but that’s because she’s barely even a character, not because she brings ned back down to earth. maybe im just not remembering though, the only venue i’ve had to watch the simpsons for years are these totally butchered uploads on youtube.
I actually like Helen Lovejoy, simply because she gives Marge an antagonist to play on. Homer and Bart have their fair share of antagonists and even Maggie has that baby with the one eyebrow. As for the next subject, let's keep this Maggie Roswell train going with Miss Hoover.
Yeah I like her too, I think she's funny and cute, I know shes judgemental but I mean she's not the only character in the Simpsons who's rude sometimes, I mean look at Homer, Moe, Comic Book Guy and Krusty the Clown. Besides her daughter Jessica is way worse.
@@ericstoverink6579 I rather take Lisa than Helen Lovejoy. Sure, Lisa's annoying and being a soapbox was the worst thing the writers gave her, given the fact she was 50 times better as the smart kid, but acting like an actual kid. Overall, I find her pretty decent as a character, both extremeley criminally underrated and way too overhated. Helen Lovejoy was a complete bitch and all she did was gossip, torture poor Marge and she was made for the audience to love to hate her.
Lenny and Carl is quite an interesting one. Because Carl reveals in a late episode, "the saga of Carl", that he didn't consider Lenny as a friend. It's only then that you can go through the entire series up to that point and realise that their friendship is kind of one-sided from lenny's end. Just small stuff that adds up, like BOTH lenny and Carl seeing Carl in clouds, or Carl's utter reluctance and annoyance at being paired with lenny in "mountain of madness", or how Carl is "tired of dumbing down" to the Moe's tavern group.
I'd really like to see a Lenny & Carl episode, especially for how Lenny seems to be so popular in Springfield at times, Marge's "Not Lenny!" line gets me every time
I've always been kind of fascinated by Helen Lovejoy as a character. She's designed to get on the audience's nerves most of the time. I wanted to do this video to see if they have tried to give her different roles over the year, or if she stuck to the shrill and gossipy territory. I was questioning if the writers should consider having a little more fun with her, maybe make her more sympathetic, or if that completely loses the point of her character. She seems like the kind of character they could do a lot more with. Also, this video got delayed by a full week because I literally got a cold the day I was going to do the audio recording. Couldn't get my voice together for, like, 5 days, which basically halted production of this video. I suspect Helen Lovejoy somehow sent me cold or something to prevent me from gossiping about her.
PhantomStrider listed Helen as one of the six least likable characters on the show. I guess she does her job a bit too well sometimes. I mean, I find her annoying in the way the writers intend.
I like that the writers got a little more adventurous with her character. It would have been easy to have her remain an untouchable, shrill gossipy bitch character but it's good to see Marge bite back and to see that she's a bit of a freak in the sack.
It's really bizarre that Helen Lovejoy still looks like a Season 1 character even in later episodes. Like, her head and body are shaped really uniquely when compared to practically _any_ other the show. It's so weird…
I really like how straight-up villainous Jessica Lovejoy is in her first episode. Makes Bart look like a sideman. Also, that soccer episode actually kinda makes sense for her character. She's ultra-competitive. She has to win everything. That also makes sense why she would be involved with the church, she gets morality as a trump card.
There's the episode where Bart has A.D.D and was diving a tank and Mrs. Krabappel say very sarcastically, "No, won't somebody please think of the children..."
@@nitrosherbert888 if I had to fan fiction a backstory on that it might be that they were child actors together or at least during the same time period.
Martin is definitely a worthy character of being looked at. He seems to be the only equal to Lisa in terms of intelligence, though I think they started to use Lisa more as a smart antagonist to Bart later down the road. I'd love to see a Lenny and Carl relationship video.
Alison is also equal to Lisa in intelligence but the writers forget about that at times. They occasionally have moments like that such as when the mafia, despite being Italian goes to the same protestant church as the other characters, in one episode Moe's full first name is Moammar, while in another it is Morris, and in one old episode, Bart speaks fluent French after coming back from France, while in another recent one he is made fun by the French club for not speaking French. There are more examples but those came first to my mind.
@@jacobr5627 While there are clearly continuity errors here, I find it entirely believable that Bart was able to pick up some basic French by spending months in France only to then lose it pretty quickly upon returning to America. Hell, he was able to forget Spanish by hitting his head a few times.
I feel like Martin being Bart's antagonist kinda fizzled out by Season Two actually, by then Martin was becoming less smug and more of a naive doormat, while Lisa was clicking as a more precocious character that was naturally easier to butt heads against Bart over many personal things. The thing about Martin is that he tends to only be Bart's enemy over good grades, and Bart tends to only desire those when their's actual stakes involved (eg. being held back a grade). It's not like with his little sister, Bart doesn't really care if Martin has Edna or Skinner's good graces compared to his parents.
I’m glad Maggie Roswell returned to the Helen role. She brings plenty of strong energy to the role. Very well done retrospective. Please do Agnes Skinner and Duffman someday. I’m also strongly eager to see a Mayor Qumiby discussion.
I love the deadpan way you said "rekt." Helen is a really great character because she's just perfect at serving her purpose, and doesn't become overused or gimmicky
I would love to see a Barney episode - he has super consistent characterization as being a really talented and smart guy who is crushed by the weight of alcoholism, and no one ever tries to help him - really some of the best and most tragic social commentary that the show ever does. It's why I actually like the pivot that he took towards sobriety in the mid-seasons, it felt good to see him be his best.
I just realized something... At least to me, the way she's drawn is is pretty different from most of the other characters. While her design has been refined to a degree, she still stands out a lot! There are a lot of long lines and sharp angles- especially compared to everyone else in the show. Then, ad to that, her strangely angular eyes (which are usually used for Asian characters), she really stands out a lot from the others. Maybe it's just because I have an art background, but after looking at all the still-shots of her, she suddenly stands out a lot to me, and so maybe- consciously or unconsciously- viewers are drawn to her.
It's kinda like Burns in how she has this kind of mantis like appearance to convey her underlying creepiness, only Helen's is more focused on the facial design. The bug-eyed look is really emphasised in her first appearance admittedly where even her PUPILS are angled. Guess that scene was really trying to establish her as a parasite. :P
5:51 In hindsight, after looking at their past interactions, it's even sweeter that Marge gives Helen sincere advise with no hard feelings or passive aggressiveness at all. Sure it doesn't really help but it's a rather nice display of empathy.
I would put Martin on the backburner like you did with Edna, so we can get a full perspective of Taylor’s portrayal. As for who is next, I vote one of the Skinners! Or maybe both! Either of them or Jacqueline Bouvier
I think he covered Jacqueline Bouvier about as thoroughly as possible in an episode of Simpsons Mysteries where he talked about the show timeline, specifically part one, the past.
Wow was literally just rebinging your Simpsons Histories series while mowing the lawn, then just as I finish this one pops up. Thank you for blessing us on this day 👌😭😤
I genuinely like Helen Lovejoy. Although I have to admit that my favorite part about her is how she's drawn like a mantis woman some times in the early seasons. Her crazy eyes crack me up.
Gotta be honest, I really had no idea there'd be so much to talk about. But Jims does it again, thanks, man, great stuff. I continue to root for my Professor Frink episode someday.
Woah, i've grown up watching this series, but i've never really analized how each character was written, so i find these type of videos super interesting! Awesome job! For the next one, how about Lenny and Carl? Together or separated (although that might be a little hard, i think?? Lol), it would be cool!
I kinda like the fact that the Lovejoys are sexually liberated in the bedroom. Reminds us what the "high and mighty" are really like. I've met a few of her in my time
I find her so terrible, probably because I know many, many, people like her exist. Those people who most definitely air all that dirty laundry and then make it appear worse, those Christians who conveniently forget phrases like ‘Love thy neighbour’ and ‘Judge not, lest ye shall be judged’. I do wonder what skeletons are in her closet though. Often the most judgemental people seem to have a lot of those.
You should wait for Martin's fate to be determined before you do an episode on him, with the possible end so close as well as the possibility for a new era for him its really odd to pick now of all times for him in addition; Moe. I love his one line of reference from Das Bus where to solve the problem the narrator just goes "and eventually they were rescued by... ohhh... lets say.... Moe".
I’m a little surprised that so many people dislike Helen. I mean, I’m not a fan of hers, but I think that’s kind of the point and she brings a different sort of energy to the Springfield mom and church circles. Anyway, Sea Captain for next histories.
Great job on this one for sure! Helen has a dynamic presence for sure, so much so that she basically turned her own daughter into just a silent visitor character! Of course Jessica was basically Bart's worst match, so maybe that's for the best!
Helen Lovejoy has always been such an unpleasant character. She irritates me almost every time she shows up, *especially* when she has Marge thrown in jail for robbery. That was such a horrible thing to do it made my skin crawl. You *have* convinced me however she's an important character. She does fill an interesting role as a foil to Marge, and works well as a more unflattering example of a fundamental Christian than Ned (even though they did make him overly negative for a couple seasons). What I'm wondering the most is, was she actually based on Mrs. Oleson from Little House On The Prairie? They strike me as very similiar, although I find Mrs. Oleson funnier.
I think when they wrote the Harold Joke, they wanted to imply she is a trans-woman. But when you take into account the rest of the series, it only makes sense if she had a trans-man ""phase"". Btw, could you make a Simpsons Mysteries about Moe's parents? There's quite a lot of contradictions on that.
To be honest, I think it was just the guy messing with him and/or the joke falling flat on it's face. There are a lot more convincing candidates on the simpsons for being trans, in the closet or out.
After watching: Helen has a lot more to her that you just don't see til the later seasons. Still would love to see you do; Kent Brockman, Groundskeeper Willie, Jaspar Beardly or Lenny and Carl (As a pair).
This isn't the first time somebody died from The Simpsons, they're just going to cancel the character or he won't speak, he was barely speaking in the recent seasons anyway....with that being said do Krabapplel, the officially retired character
8:23 I think the implication is that Helen Lovejoy was at one point married to someone named Harold Schwartzbaum; since that would legally make her name "Harold Schwartzbaum".
No, a woman's name is never legally her husband's name. Yes, it is true that back in the 1950s, women often signed their names "Mrs. John Smith", but that didn't legally make their names John Smith, it just stated who they were the wife of.
Great write up and think you for thinking of the children. I like to see a Jay Sherman as a future simpsons histories video. I know it's a different show but when the Flintstones meet the Jetsons.
Want to add, in an BDSM relationship, the sub is actually the person who has the power. Nothing goes forward/starts with out the sub consent, and if they say stop, you stop. So her being a sub is total in character for a control freak like jerm
@@VineFynn yes, but the dom initiates the action, giving their consent, the sub is the one deciding if it's something they will do by giving their consent. Hence they have the power
Helen Lovejoy is a Conservative Christian. Conservative Christians believe that the husband should be in charge. I don't think people should be as surprised that Helen would take the submissive role in sex as well.@@angrybidoof847
"...surprised that Helen would want to be the submissive here, but maybe that makes sense given her control freak personality." Yes. Yes it does. You're welcome.
Could we get a Simpsons History on Reverend Lovejoy himself in the future? I'm strangely drawn to this character, out of all the Simpsons characters, and maybe a history would finally explain why :D
My son just said that he didn't want any damn vegetables! Oh you know how kids are. What was it? Asparagus? The point is he said a bad word Direct him to the bible. What page? Somewhere in the back.
I'd like to see Superintendent Chalmers next. I choose him because I think its cool how the Simpson's can make a quotable and iconic side character who's built off another side character. You don't see that kinda thing happen in almost any other show
Id like to see a Skinner simpsons histories with "the princepal and the pauper" storyline treated as cannon, I'd love to see you explore that tangeled web and exanine which flashbacks can be trusted and which ones conflict that would be so fun :3
When your sex life is an S&M one and it's a healthy relationship, the submissive is actually the one on top. In a healthy relationship, if they say "stop," (or a safe word, if they have one) the dominant stops. Though I'm not sure if the writers knew this when she makes demands over the outfit, or if the joke was supposed to be "she's acting like the dominant when she's supposed to be submissive. She can't even be a sub correctly." Either way, I do like how they try to explore in the bed to see what they like. That's just a healthy thing to do.
0:48 that's news to me. Was I supposed to like the Simpsons family instead? Pretty sure ever since I was a kid I only liked Lisa in VERY specific episodes, Ms Krabaple(nailed it), Sideshow Bob(was rooting for him every episode), and the Reverend and his wife seemed like better versions of Flanders. I viewed Flanders the same way the Reverend does
My vote for next character would be the blue haired lawyer or Lindsay Naegle - both characters who are constantly featured in various roles, so it'd be interesting to find some kind of thread between all of their appearances I agree with waiting on Martin
I wouldn't mind seeing Snake, mainly because he's like Fat Tony if less used for a main role, which kinda makes since, if Fat Tony come over to the Simpsons house, it's because one of them own him money, or because they owe Bart something. If Snake comes over, it's a robbery, or revenge because Homer somehow got him arrested again.
So sad about Russi Taylor, that is one of my lingering fears for the show, cast members dying before they can officially give the show a proper ending. I hope they still keep her characters living in the show in the background and crowd scenes, they deserve that much, hoping they don't end up like Uter. Farewell, sweet Prince
I nominate either Agnus Skinner or Dr. Nick for the next Simpsons Histories. It would be cool to see you talk about one of Tress MacNeille's characters, but Dr. Nick would also be a fun one. Also, do you plan on making some kind of tribute to Russi Taylor just like you did for Marcia Wallace when she passed away?
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The fact that Helen is so hysterical while Rev is so laid back always struck me as clever story craft. Especially since, in a lot of ways, Lovejoy was meant to play off of Flanders.
It's almost like he's the Edna Krabapple and she's the Ned Flanders in their relationship. Feels like they could have done more with that dynamic though, it's not super consistent.
@@ohno5559and even before where Maude was that way, where she was more laidback than Ned and kept him grounded in reality at times…
@@bostonrailfan2427 uh not really
@@obscure.reference go back and rewatch episodes, she is portrayed as churchy but nowhere near Ned’s level…
@@bostonrailfan2427 sure but that’s because she’s barely even a character, not because she brings ned back down to earth. maybe im just not remembering though, the only venue i’ve had to watch the simpsons for years are these totally butchered uploads on youtube.
All the dislikes are clearly from people who haven’t thought about the children.
Amen
Bruh 😂
why won’t anyone please think of the children!
That's what i said before i watched the video
What dislikes 🥲
I actually like Helen Lovejoy, simply because she gives Marge an antagonist to play on. Homer and Bart have their fair share of antagonists and even Maggie has that baby with the one eyebrow.
As for the next subject, let's keep this Maggie Roswell train going with Miss Hoover.
Yeah I like her too, I think she's funny and cute, I know shes judgemental but I mean she's not the only character in the Simpsons who's rude sometimes, I mean look at Homer, Moe, Comic Book Guy and Krusty the Clown.
Besides her daughter Jessica is way worse.
@@skyfaller3d417 you cant mention being judgemental without listing Lisa. She's the absolute worst.
Helen is the original Karen
@@ericstoverink6579 I rather take Lisa than Helen Lovejoy. Sure, Lisa's annoying and being a soapbox was the worst thing the writers gave her, given the fact she was 50 times better as the smart kid, but acting like an actual kid. Overall, I find her pretty decent as a character, both extremeley criminally underrated and way too overhated.
Helen Lovejoy was a complete bitch and all she did was gossip, torture poor Marge and she was made for the audience to love to hate her.
@@ericstoverink6579 Bruh.
I'd like to nominate either Dr. Nick or Snake for the next episode of Simpsons Histories.
I'd love to see Dr Nick
HI everybody!
@@jfmedits1577 Hi Dr. Nick!
whaaaat are youuuuuu doing here
I like to see you as a guess on the show
"Won't someone please think of the children!!"
"and she's on drugs!"
I love how she shrieks "PERVERT!!!" In the prohibition episode
Bart:lady what you don't know could fill a warehouse.
Rev Lovejoy:Young man explain yourself!
waterfieldV i just wish marge was there when he said that
Give me the drugs, Lisa.
..pervert!!!!!
Best Helen moment.
"time to put on the old Wiggum charm"
"PERVERT" (in a weird sounding voice)
"oh boy, that sounded bad"
Sex Cauldron? Is that place still open?
Id really say thats more of a Wiggum moment
Abe Wilson it’s a team effort
This is my favourite moment for her too hahaha
Its not even a weird sounding voice- she screeches so hard you can hear the **recording studio echo** 😂
I think the history of Lenny and Carl would be cool. Maybe Millhouse.
NO ONE LIKES MILHOUSE!
@@piplup2009 He's the dud
Lenny and Carl is quite an interesting one. Because Carl reveals in a late episode, "the saga of Carl", that he didn't consider Lenny as a friend. It's only then that you can go through the entire series up to that point and realise that their friendship is kind of one-sided from lenny's end. Just small stuff that adds up, like BOTH lenny and Carl seeing Carl in clouds, or Carl's utter reluctance and annoyance at being paired with lenny in "mountain of madness", or how Carl is "tired of dumbing down" to the Moe's tavern group.
How about Lenny & Marge? Gotta love all the innuendos about them...
NOT LENNY!
In a way, it's highly fitting that a character analysis of Helen Lovejoy would include a section that gossips about her love life
Definitely Moe should be next. The guy has such an interesting history, and it'd be nice to get a whole analysis on him
FBI huh? Ok they on to us get him back to sea world.
There's a ton of Moe-centric episodes especially in the later seasons.
ronjoe17 yeah because his story is like the Joker's origin
Yeah you're all right he should do a history of Moe next and then he Should do one for Professor Frink as there are a lot of bits for him
Storm Sayce yeah
More like Helen Killjoy, Amirite?
....I'll see myself out.
Geez dad please go home already... Youre embarrassing me in front of my cool Internet friends
Stay.
Epic comment!
The Real Eh See MAKE SOME NOISE- Whoops! Wrong Killjoy!!!~😎😎😎😂😂😂😁😁😁💜💜💜⚡⚡⚡
The Real Eh See more like Hell&love joy
I'd really like to see a Lenny & Carl episode, especially for how Lenny seems to be so popular in Springfield at times, Marge's "Not Lenny!" line gets me every time
Who can't love Lenny? He's a war hero!!!
I've always been kind of fascinated by Helen Lovejoy as a character. She's designed to get on the audience's nerves most of the time. I wanted to do this video to see if they have tried to give her different roles over the year, or if she stuck to the shrill and gossipy territory. I was questioning if the writers should consider having a little more fun with her, maybe make her more sympathetic, or if that completely loses the point of her character.
She seems like the kind of character they could do a lot more with.
Also, this video got delayed by a full week because I literally got a cold the day I was going to do the audio recording. Couldn't get my voice together for, like, 5 days, which basically halted production of this video. I suspect Helen Lovejoy somehow sent me cold or something to prevent me from gossiping about her.
At least you uploaded this on my birthday, so I consider that a win :)
PhantomStrider listed Helen as one of the six least likable characters on the show. I guess she does her job a bit too well sometimes. I mean, I find her annoying in the way the writers intend.
@@strawberrysoulforever8336 Who was number one on the list?
@@cometmoon4485 Miss Hoover. Patty was between them.
I like that the writers got a little more adventurous with her character. It would have been easy to have her remain an untouchable, shrill gossipy bitch character but it's good to see Marge bite back and to see that she's a bit of a freak in the sack.
It's really bizarre that Helen Lovejoy still looks like a Season 1 character even in later episodes. Like, her head and body are shaped really uniquely when compared to practically _any_ other the show. It's so weird…
I really like how straight-up villainous Jessica Lovejoy is in her first episode. Makes Bart look like a sideman. Also, that soccer episode actually kinda makes sense for her character. She's ultra-competitive. She has to win everything. That also makes sense why she would be involved with the church, she gets morality as a trump card.
Bumblebee Man would be such an odd choice for a Simpsons Histories that I would like to see how you would analyze him.
agreed
AY AY AY! LE NARANJAS EN LA CABESA!
We know practically nothing about him!
My least favourite character of the show being talked about from my favourite Simpsons RUclipsr, ooooh boy.
She's no Just Stamp the Ticket Man
@@spookyadler He should be use more and leave Helan to never be used by punishment of touture like the original Seymour
TheRealJims is making studying her character bearable.
Yeah, she's just as unlikable as Lisa.
there's more than ONE simpsons youtuber?
There's the episode where Bart has A.D.D and was diving a tank and Mrs. Krabappel say very sarcastically, "No, won't somebody please think of the children..."
I think that’s after Bart aims the tanks gun at the school and the kids are glad he might of blown the school away
Helen is an all too real ''I judge everyone because I actually hate my life'' character.
Won't someone PLEASE think about the algorithm
I'd love a Sideshow Mel episode and why he is always the first guy to make a statement in Town-meetings
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Something I never realized I saw these clips is that Moe Sideshow Mel seem to interact a lot
@@nitrosherbert888 if I had to fan fiction a backstory on that it might be that they were child actors together or at least during the same time period.
Because his grandiose voice is well-suited to it.
He wants his orange drink
Martin is definitely a worthy character of being looked at. He seems to be the only equal to Lisa in terms of intelligence, though I think they started to use Lisa more as a smart antagonist to Bart later down the road.
I'd love to see a Lenny and Carl relationship video.
Martin built a working miniature nuclear reactor so I think he is smarter then Lisa, but has worse social skills.
Alison is also equal to Lisa in intelligence but the writers forget about that at times. They occasionally have moments like that such as when the mafia, despite being Italian goes to the same protestant church as the other characters, in one episode Moe's full first name is Moammar, while in another it is Morris, and in one old episode, Bart speaks fluent French after coming back from France, while in another recent one he is made fun by the French club for not speaking French. There are more examples but those came first to my mind.
@@jacobr5627 While there are clearly continuity errors here, I find it entirely believable that Bart was able to pick up some basic French by spending months in France only to then lose it pretty quickly upon returning to America. Hell, he was able to forget Spanish by hitting his head a few times.
I feel like Martin being Bart's antagonist kinda fizzled out by Season Two actually, by then Martin was becoming less smug and more of a naive doormat, while Lisa was clicking as a more precocious character that was naturally easier to butt heads against Bart over many personal things. The thing about Martin is that he tends to only be Bart's enemy over good grades, and Bart tends to only desire those when their's actual stakes involved (eg. being held back a grade). It's not like with his little sister, Bart doesn't really care if Martin has Edna or Skinner's good graces compared to his parents.
I guess you could say that Bart and Martin are more like frenemies.
14:13 "What the later seasons get right..."
Never heard that said before. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Can you please do a Simpsons History on Martin Prince or Sherri & Terri? as a tribute to the late Russi Taylor
I'm still cheering to see an Apu episode, even with all the controversy around it...
And also it would be an opportunity to address the controversy and other South Asian representations in T.V. and animation.
Took almost 30 years. Not much of a controversy
i think we should save martin until they retire him,
Do kirk and luann van houten 2for1 special
I’m glad Maggie Roswell returned to the Helen role. She brings plenty of strong energy to the role. Very well done retrospective. Please do Agnes Skinner and Duffman someday. I’m also strongly eager to see a Mayor Qumiby discussion.
I love the deadpan way you said "rekt." Helen is a really great character because she's just perfect at serving her purpose, and doesn't become overused or gimmicky
Lisa’s “cool girl” dress was in the BDSM store (weird Easter egg there for ya)
I would love to see a Barney episode - he has super consistent characterization as being a really talented and smart guy who is crushed by the weight of alcoholism, and no one ever tries to help him - really some of the best and most tragic social commentary that the show ever does. It's why I actually like the pivot that he took towards sobriety in the mid-seasons, it felt good to see him be his best.
I just realized something... At least to me, the way she's drawn is is pretty different from most of the other characters. While her design has been refined to a degree, she still stands out a lot! There are a lot of long lines and sharp angles- especially compared to everyone else in the show. Then, ad to that, her strangely angular eyes (which are usually used for Asian characters), she really stands out a lot from the others. Maybe it's just because I have an art background, but after looking at all the still-shots of her, she suddenly stands out a lot to me, and so maybe- consciously or unconsciously- viewers are drawn to her.
It's kinda like Burns in how she has this kind of mantis like appearance to convey her underlying creepiness, only Helen's is more focused on the facial design. The bug-eyed look is really emphasised in her first appearance admittedly where even her PUPILS are angled. Guess that scene was really trying to establish her as a parasite. :P
Like with Mr. Burns, it's likely to convey her nastiness. In Helen's case, what a shrew she is XD
As president of the Helen Lovejoy fanclub, I'm glad to see this
5:51 In hindsight, after looking at their past interactions, it's even sweeter that Marge gives Helen sincere advise with no hard feelings or passive aggressiveness at all. Sure it doesn't really help but it's a rather nice display of empathy.
I would put Martin on the backburner like you did with Edna, so we can get a full perspective of Taylor’s portrayal.
As for who is next, I vote one of the Skinners! Or maybe both! Either of them or Jacqueline Bouvier
I think he covered Jacqueline Bouvier about as thoroughly as possible in an episode of Simpsons Mysteries where he talked about the show timeline, specifically part one, the past.
Wow was literally just rebinging your Simpsons Histories series while mowing the lawn, then just as I finish this one pops up. Thank you for blessing us on this day 👌😭😤
The "PERVERRRRRT" scream is still absolutely hilarious to me
I genuinely like Helen Lovejoy. Although I have to admit that my favorite part about her is how she's drawn like a mantis woman some times in the early seasons. Her crazy eyes crack me up.
she looks like a mosquito
I always enjoyed that her "think of the children" schtick is always framed as antagonistic stirring of the pot.
I think Cletus and/or Brandine would make a good topic for the next histories video :)
Cheddarhead7 I agree completely
6:44 so that's why they killed off Maude. 🤬
She was a pure wholesome character that didn't deserve that😢
Yes, Maude may have been very straight down the line Christian but she was still a nice person most of the time.
Maude Flanders was hated at the time and that's why they killed her off.
@@markfryer9880 Being a Christian doesn't make you less of a person
@@coldgrumpytree5441nobody said that…..
@@dharmallars He's implying something is wrong with being Christain
Gotta be honest, I really had no idea there'd be so much to talk about. But Jims does it again, thanks, man, great stuff.
I continue to root for my Professor Frink episode someday.
Woah, i've grown up watching this series, but i've never really analized how each character was written, so i find these type of videos super interesting! Awesome job!
For the next one, how about Lenny and Carl? Together or separated (although that might be a little hard, i think?? Lol), it would be cool!
I kinda like the fact that the Lovejoys are sexually liberated in the bedroom. Reminds us what the "high and mighty" are really like. I've met a few of her in my time
I find her so terrible, probably because I know many, many, people like her exist. Those people who most definitely air all that dirty laundry and then make it appear worse, those Christians who conveniently forget phrases like ‘Love thy neighbour’ and ‘Judge not, lest ye shall be judged’. I do wonder what skeletons are in her closet though. Often the most judgemental people seem to have a lot of those.
You should do Dr Nick reviera next
I'd like to see a history of Hank Scorpio simply so you can talk about my favorite episode of the series.
What history? He's there then he isn't.
@@michaelmccarthy4892 I think you've missed my ulterior motive here.
@@kangthedestroyer5863 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I JUST WANT HIM TO TALK ABOUT "YOU ONLY MOVE TWICE"!
I have to spell it out apparently.
Damn Flanders
do our favorite gas drinking, chronic alcoholic and only (main ore true side) person in Springfield that haves a helicopter license, Barney Gumble
It’s always a great day when you upload Mr RealJims! Thanks for making these great videos!
You should wait for Martin's fate to be determined before you do an episode on him, with the possible end so close as well as the possibility for a new era for him its really odd to pick now of all times for him
in addition; Moe. I love his one line of reference from Das Bus where to solve the problem the narrator just goes "and eventually they were rescued by... ohhh... lets say.... Moe".
What about Martin's fate? I haven't watched The Simpsons in like 15 years did something happen?
@@davidhonez8859 its tragically ironic they posted that considering martins voice actor passed away in 2019
I’m a little surprised that so many people dislike Helen. I mean, I’m not a fan of hers, but I think that’s kind of the point and she brings a different sort of energy to the Springfield mom and church circles.
Anyway, Sea Captain for next histories.
“And I suppose you gotta have someone on the show to spill the tea on a moments notice”😂😂😂
Great video as always. I'm always fascinated with the layers of a character you present. I never notice most of any of these.
My favorite Helen Lovejoy moment was when Marge finally slapped all 32 flavors out of her mouth
Absolutely love the Rupaul episode when Marge put Helen in her place when pestering her about selling Tupperware.
1 in the morning and watching a video to learn more about a minor supporting character from a cartoon. What is my life
Wow I was just rewatching the Edna video, great timing!
Great job on this one for sure! Helen has a dynamic presence for sure, so much so that she basically turned her own daughter into just a silent visitor character! Of course Jessica was basically Bart's worst match, so maybe that's for the best!
Helen Lovejoy - The Simpsons answer to Karen LOL
Helen Lovejoy has always been such an unpleasant character. She irritates me almost every time she shows up, *especially* when she has Marge thrown in jail for robbery. That was such a horrible thing to do it made my skin crawl.
You *have* convinced me however she's an important character. She does fill an interesting role as a foil to Marge, and works well as a more unflattering example of a fundamental Christian than Ned (even though they did make him overly negative for a couple seasons).
What I'm wondering the most is, was she actually based on Mrs. Oleson from Little House On The Prairie? They strike me as very similiar, although I find Mrs. Oleson funnier.
I have seen you a few times under simpsons videos over the years and your profile picture deeply upsets me.
My mom watch little houseon on prairie
I'd like to suggest Sideshow Bob, he has to be one of my favourite Simpsons characters XD
Ditto.
Timelapse 11 Same here!!~😎😎😎😁😁😁💜💜💜⚡⚡⚡
I think when they wrote the Harold Joke, they wanted to imply she is a trans-woman. But when you take into account the rest of the series, it only makes sense if she had a trans-man ""phase"".
Btw, could you make a Simpsons Mysteries about Moe's parents? There's quite a lot of contradictions on that.
The fact that Jessica and Helen have the same eyes definitely points to Helen being Jessica's biological mother.
To be honest, I think it was just the guy messing with him and/or the joke falling flat on it's face. There are a lot more convincing candidates on the simpsons for being trans, in the closet or out.
Or maybe she had a cousin or something that your man got her mixed up with.
After watching: Helen has a lot more to her that you just don't see til the later seasons.
Still would love to see you do; Kent Brockman, Groundskeeper Willie, Jaspar Beardly or Lenny and Carl (As a pair).
Maxmillian200HP yeah my favourite characters
I always wanted to see a Helen Lovejoy/Aaronson & Zukowski teamup. Imagine the gossip that would fly!
"I don't want to speculate on this further" - lol
This isn't the first time somebody died from The Simpsons, they're just going to cancel the character or he won't speak, he was barely speaking in the recent seasons anyway....with that being said do Krabapplel, the officially retired character
DreBone1986 he has done Edna
I have suggestion for Simpsons History: Martin or Sherri & Terri as a tribute to Russi Taylor
With the recent Martin events I’m dying for a Martin history now
"I don't want to speculate on this further"
Thank you.
8:23 I think the implication is that Helen Lovejoy was at one point married to someone named Harold Schwartzbaum; since that would legally make her name "Harold Schwartzbaum".
No, a woman's name is never legally her husband's name. Yes, it is true that back in the 1950s, women often signed their names "Mrs. John Smith", but that didn't legally make their names John Smith, it just stated who they were the wife of.
4:13 she also says in S31’s Thanksgiving of Horror
“Won’t somebody please think of the pilgrims?!”
Do comic book guy please
Best. Suggestion. Ever.
Nyaaah
Waahhh
waaah, aw I lost it.
Worst. Geek. Ever.
Mr Teenie needs to be analysed at some point
@@Tony36271 Although I do love the idea of having a TARDIS panic room.
Great write up and think you for thinking of the children. I like to see a Jay Sherman as a future simpsons histories video. I know it's a different show but when the Flintstones meet the Jetsons.
Want to add, in an BDSM relationship, the sub is actually the person who has the power.
Nothing goes forward/starts with out the sub consent, and if they say stop, you stop.
So her being a sub is total in character for a control freak like jerm
Given that consent is a two way street that's pretty moot
@@VineFynn yes, but the dom initiates the action, giving their consent, the sub is the one deciding if it's something they will do by giving their consent.
Hence they have the power
Helen Lovejoy is a Conservative Christian. Conservative Christians believe that the husband should be in charge. I don't think people should be as surprised that Helen would take the submissive role in sex as well.@@angrybidoof847
oh my goooodnesss!!!! yes! thank you, thank you!
A NEW VIDEO FOR THE CHILLLLDREN!
I don't think Helen approves of gender fluid, it's sinfully difficult to clean up.
I can’t hear the Kakariko Village music without thinking of Link getting attacked by chickens.
You should do an episode over Jasper :) "That's a paddlin'"
i love watching ur videos but i haven’t even seen the simpsons lmao,, i just really enjoy these
"...surprised that Helen would want to be the submissive here, but maybe that makes sense given her control freak personality."
Yes. Yes it does. You're welcome.
She is my oc’s mother 😂.. so i wont think about what you have said here too much 😂
Aren't Conservative Christians taught that they are supposed to be submissive to their husbands?
The WILL SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN line is memorable
I'd like to nominate Waylon Smithers for the next analysis. He's always been one of the best minor characters of the show, I think.
Could we get a Simpsons History on Reverend Lovejoy himself in the future? I'm strangely drawn to this character, out of all the Simpsons characters, and maybe a history would finally explain why :D
You: Don't kink shame me-
Me: Kink shaming IS MY KINK!
I know they never will but like
I'd kinda love the idea of them confirming her as trans
Could lead to Something genuinely interesting
My son just said that he didn't want any damn vegetables!
Oh you know how kids are. What was it? Asparagus?
The point is he said a bad word
Direct him to the bible.
What page?
Somewhere in the back.
But Rev..
Damn Flanders!
I'd like to see Superintendent Chalmers next. I choose him because I think its cool how the Simpson's can make a quotable and iconic side character who's built off another side character. You don't see that kinda thing happen in almost any other show
Id like to see a Skinner simpsons histories with "the princepal and the pauper" storyline treated as cannon, I'd love to see you explore that tangeled web and exanine which flashbacks can be trusted and which ones conflict that would be so fun :3
When your sex life is an S&M one and it's a healthy relationship, the submissive is actually the one on top. In a healthy relationship, if they say "stop," (or a safe word, if they have one) the dominant stops. Though I'm not sure if the writers knew this when she makes demands over the outfit, or if the joke was supposed to be "she's acting like the dominant when she's supposed to be submissive. She can't even be a sub correctly."
Either way, I do like how they try to explore in the bed to see what they like. That's just a healthy thing to do.
Helen lovejoy has some good rule 34 comics, because of that very real problem of a marrige
lavagolem77 any recommendations
Would You Please think of the Children before you write!
Think of the children! Dont let them see this!
"You'll get your pancakes in the mail." I would like to see Principal Skinner next.
This character.....really????? Well if TheRealJims is talking about her, maybe he can make this bearable. Maybe :)
0:48 that's news to me. Was I supposed to like the Simpsons family instead?
Pretty sure ever since I was a kid I only liked Lisa in VERY specific episodes, Ms Krabaple(nailed it), Sideshow Bob(was rooting for him every episode), and the Reverend and his wife seemed like better versions of Flanders. I viewed Flanders the same way the Reverend does
The next episode should be about Barney Gumble. Let's see how they use Martin's character before making an episode about him.
My vote for next character would be the blue haired lawyer or Lindsay Naegle - both characters who are constantly featured in various roles, so it'd be interesting to find some kind of thread between all of their appearances
I agree with waiting on Martin
7:06
I'd like to hear a comparison.
This is is diamond of a RUclips channel.
As shown in your options I nominate Barney Gumble.
I wouldn't mind seeing Snake, mainly because he's like Fat Tony if less used for a main role, which kinda makes since, if Fat Tony come over to the Simpsons house, it's because one of them own him money, or because they owe Bart something. If Snake comes over, it's a robbery, or revenge because Homer somehow got him arrested again.
So sad about Russi Taylor, that is one of my lingering fears for the show, cast members dying before they can officially give the show a proper ending. I hope they still keep her characters living in the show in the background and crowd scenes, they deserve that much, hoping they don't end up like Uter. Farewell, sweet Prince
Maybe Pamela will do a good job voicing Russi's characters. Nancy probably won't do it. Tress could do Uter.
I worked for a Helen Lovejoy type before. Annoying, rude, and judgemental yes, but still lovable.
I nominate either Agnus Skinner or Dr. Nick for the next Simpsons Histories. It would be cool to see you talk about one of Tress MacNeille's characters, but Dr. Nick would also be a fun one. Also, do you plan on making some kind of tribute to Russi Taylor just like you did for Marcia Wallace when she passed away?
There are so many awful pictures of Helen especially her from the front. I love it so much