Prescribed Amphetamines at 30 | “IS IT WORTH IT!?”
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- My story of being diagnosed as having ADHD at 30, and what I think about the medication they prescribed me. Is it really worth it to take Amphetamines such as Adderall, Vyvanse, or Dexedrine in the long run or do they cause more harm than good?
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you should take a look into kimera koffee im curious to see if it has any effectiveness
I love all of your videos Adam
nice!
Hey Adam! Look into the work of Dr. Gabor Mate! The man is a legit with decades of experience in trauma and drug-related fields of medicine... and he's Canadian, haha. He has a very well-researched theory about ADHD and how people come to acquire it, yes I said acquire, primarily from early-on-in-life prolonged experiences (environments really then) which alter our body chemistry and leas to illness/disease. I can't do it justice in a short youtube comment but he has many lectures on youtube and I encourage you to listen to one or two. He himself was diagnosed with ADHD in his 50's! Thanks for sharing your story; all of us have imperfections and it's nice to see a youtuber who doesn't put on a huge charade for views. Peace brother.
EDIT: Oh I also forgot to mention that he has within the past decade or so had several ayahuasca trips and has some interesting insights in that regard as well.
SWIM don't amphetamines release serotonin not dopamine edit: they release both my bad
I have ADHD, It's so fucking horrible. People don't realize how hard it is for people with ADHD. I think there is huge misconception and generally think it's very misunderstood. Extremely difficult to stay organized, brain going a million miles an hour all day everyday, can only focus on things of interest, major sleep issues, list goes on and on
Yup I gotta wait till January for my health insurance till then I just sit around distracted all day now shit sucka
julious davis I was prescribed vyvanse (legal amphetamine) for my entire high school it destroyed me I was a fckg zombie without knowing I was a weirdo I stopped after cause my parents were thinking all the things that the doctor guive is good .....so yeah I was fighting with my parents everyday but for real when I stopped vyvanse i started finally to get some friends go to party and everything like when I stopped taking those fkg pills it was the best moment of my life and how I got to taked you aske by cause my parents ask the doctor and he say yes ,,,,,
@@stenvend5072 yo this resonates so hard. I literally spent my whole life from like 6 to 17 on the highest dose of Concerta cause my parents wouldn't listen to me. It messed up all of my childhood but as an adult its so awesome cause its not a problem until i have to be consistent with stuff other than fun or personal interests...
Hahaha, it's all relative. I have an adhd diagnosis and some autoimmune diseases. Nooooow, try one of these autoimmune issues and then tell me adhd is horrible. And I am aware there is much worse.. be thankful!
I think there is a lot of social stigma around ADHD, and I have to admit I myself am guilty of perpetuating this belief.
Stopping for just a few minutes and actually listenig, I realize that we should be much more compassionate. It's no one's fault and it nevertheless dictates their entire lives.
People who don't believe ADHD is real are the same people who are convinced that something doesn't exist because they can not see it.
The earth being round, for example lol...Germs...Farts...😆.
Cue Sarcasm: We Live in a flat plane of existence, everything’s a lie! People don’t get sick from germs 🦠, they get sick from fairy farts🧚♀️💨...duh! ...& ADHD is a myth....u just need to TRY HARDER! 🤪.
......then, one day, THAT person gets diagnosed with ADHD cause they’re seriously struggling, & now, it’s reeaaalllll!! 🙃
All of us WITH ADHD HAVE TO HELP EDUCATE others & share our struggles - to combat the stigma of diagnosis & the abuse of prescription medication & illicit drugs. ....EDUCATION>STIGMA 😁
I was diagnosed with ADHD at a very young age because I did not do well in school. They tried prescribing amphetamines but I got high scores when they tested my IQ so my parents said no. The only thing that helped me was Jesus later on in life. I just really wanted to be outside enjoying life like any other little boy. This whole thing In my opinion is a business to drive up big pharma stocks. Nazis gave it to the troops so they would take orders better and be absolute killers. I don't think the education system and healthcare system truly has our best interests at heart. Just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Child rats who grow up without rough and tumble play show signs of adhd. So yeah it seems to me it's very much real. But aerobic training helps me so much.
Yet they believe in a magical sky daddy rofl
@@BlGGESTBROTHER Thank you for your intolerant, bigoted opinion, you are truly making the world a better place.
The thing to remember about days that you dont take it.. as someone with extreme ADHD that affected my school my work causing me to lose jobs etc.. I thought that I feel like I need it more when I dont take it. So I stopped for a few months. It finally hit my that it's the way I have always been. Nothing changed. It's just that you notice how much it helps. As the happiness goes ties back around again to noticing how severe it was all along. But once again mine is so severe that my life is nearly non functional. I dont get euphoria from my medication and it doesnt make me happy. What makes me happy is when I take out the trash do the dishes play with my kids without forgetting I left the dinner in the oven and spraying down the oven with a fire extinguisher. If taken properly in therapeutic doses it's a life saver.
Honestly I get this. I don't get a buzz or euphoria either, but I do notice that if I take it before I hit that snooze button in the morning it makes it a lot easier to get out of bed when the alarm goes back off again... I'm more able to tap into my creativity without getting lost in my own mind and I can get things done and am more forgiving of myself if I don't have the energy for everything. It just makes things feel easier to do is all and helps you stay on track with your day.
Well said. That's so true! 💯
"Even like when you're on your computer and have a million tabs open"
he said, as I had a million tabs open.
alaways a milions tabs, untile luckily sometimes chrome crashes and we can start again in a minute....baaaam
I quit doing that by an act of sheer will. It wasn't easy. The problem is that I still leave a bunch of apps running. One problem at a time, I guess.
Omg YES!
I stopped doing that the second I went on meds and my brain started going "I don't need this... I can reopen this... I HAVE THIS IN MY BOOKMARKS SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE OPEN"
Boomers do that all the times it is not an ADHD thing
I realised finally today at nearly 36 years that I have ADHD. I have been struggling with my moods and emotions forever. I’ve had huge drug and alcohol addictions. I’ve spent 3 years in prison for violence.
A moment of clarity so strong and beautiful, bringing surges of excitement, joy and many tears. Thank you 🥰🥰🥰
Best of luck bucko
buy scattered munds and listen everything of gabor matè, he will help heal you, i feel those tears, i know what they mean :_)
Btw why the hell do ppl feel fine taking unknown powders, blotters and pills but are always afraid of pharmaceuticals??
Because a lot of these drugs have more long term side effects then street drugs. Thats like saying why would I do this powder if I know it works. Or take a pill that does not work. Everyone just wants to feel normal and thats where self medicating comes in. And drug abuse.
Because pharmaceuticals are given to people who do not need them. If you go to the dr and tell them you are even slightly depressed, they will prescribe you something that will ruin your life, and mind very quickly. Street drugs are pretty weak and safe for the most part, unless your talking about opiates/opoids like fetanyl.... pharmaceuticals also take the party drug aspect away. pharmaceuticals are way more likely to lead to dependency because the fact
they are prescribed. 90%+ of Heroine addicts start with pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceuticals get too expensive so they switch to heroine. The pharmaceuticals are way more powerful than the heroine too so people
have to use alot. There are millions of people every year turned into addicts by big pharma on purpose. Big pharma makes money from the legal and illegal drug trade. They even make money off of cancer patients, and people with incurable diseases such as diabetes.Big pharma is the most evil company on this planet. They destroy thousands of families, and kill millions of our citizens every year.
@@marcferretti In the US, perhaps. Medication prices aren't insanely high in a lot of countries. The same goes for "evil pharma".
Adam is a huge proponent of testing any drugs before you take them, he's made many videos on it
I feel the opposite
You're story is almost identical to mine, and its making me want to cry. I always feel like this kind of stuff only happens to me, but its nice to hear someone who you look up to going through the same problems
I got prescribed it at 38 - best thing I ever did. Was diagnosed with ADD at 37 - thank F*&k I did as I can actually get stuff done.
What are you takin nowv
Hi , how are you now?
I was excited to watch this and 1 minute in I’m looking at the related videos and comments. Then I remember I wanted to watch the video and scrolled back up lol
I have an extremely addictive personality but when it comes to vyvanse, I take my 50mg everyday because it just makes me feel normal. The way I see it, if you got diabetes, you're going to take your insulin, if you got ADHD, you're brain needs that pill to be balanced.
Same here! I have a incredibly addictive personality but have never in my life abused or even felt the urge to. Its just medicine to me, like blood pressure.
Well said
If a diabetic doesn't take insulin, they die. The same cannot be said for prescription amphetamines.
@@ben-7403
The suicide rate, traffic accident rate, drug abuse rate is 3 times higher in people with ADHD.
If medication (amphetamines) can counteract these rates by making a person feel more "normal", i would say it's correct to draw a parallel between that and a diabetic taking insulin.
I really have to disagree with you. I have severe ADHD and it really is sort of upsetting to me when I hear people saying things about how "bad" ADHD medications are for you or how you don't need them every day. Maybe YOU don't need them every day. I do. On a bad day, I'm absolutely useless without my meds.
I shit you not, the other day I woke up too late to take them, and a simple trip to the grocery store ended with me having an absolute mental breakdown. I spent about 20 minutes walking up and down aisles repeatedly forgetting what I had even come in to the store to do. Like, every five minutes, I'd get so deep in to my thoughts that I wouldn't even remember what I was supposed to be doing. I couldn't read the grocery list. If I did manage to read it, I would forget what I had already picked up and what I still needed to get. I tried crossing things off the list as I put them in the cart, and I couldn't even remember to do that consistently so there were about 5 items that I accidentally grabbed multiples of and by the time I got to the cash register and noticed it I was so frustrated I just bought them. I could hear everyone in the store breathing. I couldn't pick out the labels I needed from the sea of colors and writing on the shelves.
This is an especially bad day, but really, every single moment of my life is difficult without my medication. If I have to socialize with someone, I can't formulate sentences fast enough in my brain to respond to literally anything they say. That, or I just uncontrollably say the first thing that comes to mind and humiliate myself. If I have to drive without my medication, good luck. I've actually zoned out so much on a solo road trip one time that when I came back to my senses, I realized that somewhere along the way I had exited the freeway and was now in a town in the middle of nowhere and I had no idea where I was. And I didn't have cell service so it took me a full hour to find my way back to the freeway (after I found a McDonalds to stop at and use their wifi, because no way was I going to get back there by myself).
Before my medication, which I started taking when I was 18 (my parents didn't believe in meds for ADHD), my life was full of disappointment after disappointment, humiliation, loneliness, and a completely hopeless sense of failure and self hatred that followed me literally everywhere. I drank and smoked pot every day. I couldn't even speak to my own family without embarrassing myself. I was overwhelmed by the smallest things. I almost died in two car accidents. I felt worthless, depressed and miserable. I never could understand why I couldn't just get it together. And finally, FINALLY when I turned 18 it all changed. It's been two years and I wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, I take my medications every damn day. I need them. I AM absolutely dependent on them, just like a nearsighted person is dependent on their glasses. Like a person with bad legs is dependent on their walker. I've learned to love the spontaneity and the open mindedness and the energy that comes with having ADHD (which I still have. The meds haven't taken away the parts of me I DID like).
And, one part of ADHD is having emotional issues and getting less pleasure from the things that other people do. So for some people, an appropriate dose of medication does have a mood lifting effect (NOT euphoria though, that's true). I'm one of those people. It lowers my anxiety and sense of despair and doom a hell of a lot.
I totally acknowledge that the choice to take medications is up to the individual. You shouldn't take meds if you don't need them or aren't comfortable with it. Some people don't have a problem as severe as mine (not that you need it to be as severe as mine to take meds). Some people don't feel like themselves when they take it (although I'd say if that's the case it's probably the wrong medication or too high of a dose). Some people do have bad side effects from it. Some people do find it difficult not to abuse the pills. Some people just don't feel like they need it. But I DO need it, and I'm not ashamed of needing it, any more than a person with diabetes should be ashamed of needing insulin.
My life is better and safer and healthier because of these meds and it seems pretty silly to me for anybody to make blanket statements like "they shouldn't be taken every day". Y'all don't know the first thing about what it's like to live in my brain if you think I don't need these meds. Also, I think if you do a little bit of research on what risks you're taking when you DON'T treat the condition, you'd be pretty surprised by what you'd find. As Dr. Ned Hallowell (author of the book Driven to Distraction, if you have ADHD and you haven't read this book get your hands on a copy ASAP) says, "you should be more worried about the side effects of not taking your medications than you should be about the side effects of taking them".
Okay, rant over. I still love you, Adam, and I love most of your content. But this video TRIGGERED me today. 😂 I'm happy you're finding success with the vyvanse and I hope that you continue to do so. If you're having tolerance issues or feeling low on days that you don't take it, it might be worth looking in to something else like adderall or concerta, or even strattera if you want to try a non stimulant, and see if any of those feel better. ✌🏻
Grace Elizabeth This is a solid stim rant. 😂 Use paragraph breaks to make it easier to read. As much as it helps you unfortunately still need to have some sort of discipline. The medication is just a helping hand. You still have a mountain to climb.
But at least now you can climb it.
Have a nice day.
Jurgen Sefa 😂 the ranting is much more a symptom of the condition than it is a side effect of the medication, tbh. I actually wrote this late at night after my meds were worn off. But yes, you're right. Let me be clear for anyone reading that comment - I don't mean to give the idea that medication is a cure for your ADHD. When I was first diagnosed I had to see a coach every week who taught me non-medication methods to hack my brain and those are immensely helpful. I still use them every day and wouldn't get by in life if I hadn't learned the scheduling, organization, and focus techniques I learned in coaching. Exercise, diet, adequate sleep and meditation are also necessary for me. That said, if I wasn't taking the medication, I just wouldn't have the executive function capabilities to execute most of that in the first place. Of course, I am ultimately responsible for managing my condition. But for myself and many others with ADHD, boundless willpower and infinite numbers of life hacks will just never quite be enough.
I will break this up in paragraphs, though, and you have a nice day as well 🤙🏻🤙🏻
JakeSkate if that's the definition of addiction everyone who takes a prescription medication every day would be an addict. Addiction/substance use disorder is a mental illness which necessarily means it causes impairment in functioning or poses a danger to safety.
Adam is at least really open minded about this stuff haha but yeah I agree, when I don’t have my Ritalin I’m in a fog and I can’t really have proper conversations with anyone because I can’t pay attention to much of what they are saying. Having to take 3 pills a day to function sucks but eh I’ll take it
you should start a meditation habit
4 mins deep in the video read just realised was reading comments the whole time😂
brr fgg lol.. every time yep. It’s got to be an adhd thing.
I do this on every video I watch aswell as 6 other things
Read this and remembered to watch the vid 😂 thx dude
4 mins deep on the Dot I read this...🤦🏼♂️
You dont have to have adhd to do this lol
Im struggling even on medication, it is important to note that ADHD medication is not a magic cure but just a nudge in the right direction.
For sure, I wish it was a magic cure.. Cause I’m still struggling...
You are a smart guy. It's good to come across at least one guy who says he's not depressed or anxious and turns down the idea of antidepressants.
Overall, well made video and good luck for your future.
I have ADD (alike ADHD, without the hyperactivity). I couldn’t ever focus, like, I didn’t know that I had focus deficit. I got diagnosed with it last year, prescribed Vyvanse. After the first week, I can now look at a worksheet and read the print. Before hand I couldn’t get through the title and subtitle before looking up from the paper, trying to forget about it and walk off. Now, I can read it all, analyse it and go on answering it. I don’t care about dependency, who cares if I have to buy it every month? What about people with cancer? Fair enough they’re not consuming amphetamines nor being dependant on their medications (that I know to my knowledge), but without it I’m so incapable and it’s not because of the medication, it’s from what I’ve realised post-prescription.
Makes me wonder if I might have the same thing. When I was in school I could never concentrate on the texts we were given to analyse, I usually had to read them multiple times. The only way I could remember details was to cut the text into several parts and on the page I would write a short summary of what was said. No one else did that and I thought they were stupid for not doing it, but it never really occured to me that maybe they could just concentrate better...? I never could focus on presentations even if I tried really hard (which I usually did) and I couldn't give any critique because by the time they had finished their presentation I had already forgotten everything. Sometimes I gave up on working on something in class because I just couldn't concentrate at all, it was so frustrating. Since I have always been severely depressed I don't know if that is solely cause of my depression or if I might have another condition. Maybe I'm just lazy and depressed and that's all and I'm thinking to much about it.
TL;DR: I could never concentrate either, but then again I'm depressed so I might not have the same thing at all.
WoInGoBoiNg I had bad depression and anxiety because I thought I was just dumb and useless. Since taking medication I’ve shown myself how intelligent I really am, I’m actually succeeding which is new compared to old me. ADHD/ADD is actually a lot more common than people think. It was said that people were being over-diagnosed but now they reckon there’s a lot of people out there that have it and don’t know about it.
Thank you so much for your report, I will talk to my doc if ADD/ADHD might be an issue for me and if he thinks medication could help. I wouldn't even have considered having this issue before reading your comment because I thought hyperactivity was the key symptom in it and that's absolutely no problem of mine. So thanks again for making this clear.
WoInGoBoiNg no problem man! Hey, thank you for taking it into consideration too my guy! Even if it’s a quarter of a year until you’re all checked out and prescribed do reply back and tell me, genuinely intrigued with your progress brother! Stay safe, happy New Years and I hope the absolute best for you!
Lucas Beer bingo with me brother. Different dx, same story.
Thank you for this. I wish I'd seen this video before I started on Adderall/Vyvanse. I can personally vouch that when you come off this medication after taking it every day for a prolonged period (4 years) you will experience what is known as PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome). This is where you feel anhedonia (inability to feel happiness/pleasure), with a constant dull depression, no energy, completely unable to handle even minimal stress and chronic problems with concentration. It has been 3 years since I stopped taking Adderall and I am only now starting to feel normal again.
I started this med at about 34. Im 46 and it has had it's benefits and I also have had my struggles. I think I'm at the point in my life where I'm ready to take the step forward without it. I feel like I will be better off managing my life without it. I know what you said that you were only starting to feel normal again after 3 years if you don't mind me asking where you exercising? I personally at the moment do not but I think if I do decide to take this Leap Forward I will start an exercise routine. Glad things are starting to normalize for you good luck..
15:07 is your answer
Your “Origin” story is almost identical to what I went through. The doctors brought it down you borderline personality disorder, but after attempting to take my own life, and came out of that deep deep depression, I seen a psychiatrist and he has diagnosed me with adhd. I’m a week into Ritalin, taking 60mg a day and you have opened my eyes to what might happen in the future to me if I keep increasing the dosage. Thank you! Good news is I’m no longer suicidal and every day seems precious to me now 🙂 I can finally play with my kids and no longer feel like a burden to my wife and friends
The point of using the medicine, is to get able to do things through the motivation it gives you. When you are able to get things done, you are able to learn to do things and create systems and routines to your life. You can't acquire a routine without actually doing the thing hundreds(?) of times. When you acquire routines and actually learn how to do things systematically, you will know how to do them when you aren't medicated.
If you don't want to better your life and use the motivation the medicine gives you to harmful actions, of course you aren't then acquiring new helpful routines.
Worked for me and the medicine has improved my life quality SO SO much. I've learned so much.
You aren't supposed to need to be medicated your whole life.
How did you approach your dotcor?
As I live in EU and in a small country, I feel kinda like retarded to go in personal doctors appointment and tell them I might have ADHD/ADD.
Also should I be telling my doctor that I had smoked weed for 10 years? Also questionable to tell that when its illegal in the country.
I feel like I do something every week not every day and after like 2 days of doing nothing or nothing productive I try to kick myself to atleast rake the leaves...
Tbh I was supposed to work on the yard last month and its 14 already and I can't get my selft to it. Will go now to do it because it sounds so retarded when I type it out idk wtf is this.
Edit : I'll turn 25 this year... So I'm thinking better early then late to fix the problems but I really don't know how to approach this.
I’ve tried that, just because you take medicine and you learn new “routines” doesn’t fix your actual condition of ADHD, learning new routines don’t help you produce more dopamine. I tried my entire life trying different things, routines, processes, nothing ever worked, I was finally put on adderall and my mind feels calm and I can actually do the things I want without feeling dead inside. For me I’ve tried other ways, and they have never worked because they have never fixed my underlying issue which is a dopamine deficiency. I know this because before meds I would ALWAYS seek stimulation and satisfaction from anything other than the one thing I needed to focus on which was work. I was almost fired at one point because my performance had suffered terribly. Since then im the top lead engineer in the Fortune 500 company. If I have to take adderall for the rest of my life I don’t care, it make me feel normal and I can enjoy life now. Before the medicine I would walk in circles non stop and constant feel depressed and the need to die. I feel alive now.
@@123brentt I didn't notice your comment! ADHD/ADD is a very common condition and I believe your doctor will take you seriously, if you talk about your thoughts about the subject (if you haven't yet). Many people are diagnosed in adulthood. By the way, there's a lot of information about the condition at RUclips channel called "How to ADHD" :)
@@Zlurz Hello. Awesome to hear medication has made a great impact on your life and you've reached success! Wow👍
Yeah, I actually disagree with my "past self" a bit.⬆️ Things are not simple and solutions depend on many factors and individual situations. I guess sometimes it is necessary to take medication for the rest of life to improve overall quality of life. I myself still take medication also, and it helps tremendeosly with getting things done. I would like to stop taking it in the near future though, because of the negative physiological effects (increased blood pressure etc.).
Anyway, brain plasticity is a thing. Different factors, other than medicine, can also affect brain functioning, such as dopamine production. And learning new things creates new neural pathways in the brain. So I assume it is possible and very common that taking the medicine for a particular period can improve one's functioning so that one can function better when one quits taking the medicine. I know my functioning is a lot better when I'm not medicated also, because of the systems I have created thanks to the medication.
(Sorry about my English)
@@everythingisfine9051 I agree with you, taking medicine for dopamine deficiency for the rest of my life scares me. I plan on taking big breaks in hopes that it doesn't negatively affect my natural dopamine production, but without medicine i know it would just go downhill for me, work social life will suffer immensely. I guess i have to choose between the two evils, lifetime on meds and the risk behind it, or no meds and homeless :/
I was diagnosed at 28 in Québec. I'm taking Vyvanse 5x a week since i'm working a 9 to 5 in the video game industry. Small doses only: 15 - 30 mg a day. My story is very similar to yours Adam. The reason why I seek medical help is pretty much the same as yours. But I differ with you on one point: I can't wait for the week-end to NOT take my meds. My sexual drive goes up, I get arouse a lot more easily, I enjoy physical contacts a lot more. I'm making more jokes, I'm less focus, less serious, less compulsive when it comes to drinking, more creative, more "left field." I'm more goofy, spontaneous. Sure, I tend to be late to the stuff I attend but, hey, it's the week end! I'm late, but there's no rush! Also I'm more forgetful, I might be a little bit more volatile and sometimes I'm straight up all over the fucking place - which can make my GF mad because I'm more messy when I'm off pills... But I sleep more, I ramble a lot less... And I find peace enjoying those two days as sober as a monk, knowing that all the boring stuff I needed to take care of has been taken care of during the rest of the week when I was on Vyvanse.
Malone Meurt pendant 8mois a 17ans jai été sous médication (vyvanse de 20 jusqua 60mg) et apres 8mois jai tout arrêter, ce medoc ma detruit presque completement
Détruit? Comment si ce n'est pas indiscret? Je prends roughly la même dose depuis 4 ans et j'ai jamais eu de problème. Mais ce n'est que on expérience: j'ai entendu des histoires vraiment dark à propos du Vyvanse et j'ai aucune difficulté à croire que ça peut vraiment fuck up une personne... Comme que ça peut en aider une autre aussi... C'est loin d'être la panacée, j'en suis conscient. Or mon commentaire ne visait pas à vanter en-soi les mérites du médicament mais à mettre en doute son caractère inexorablement addictif. J'ai aucun "plaisir" à être sur le Vyvanse. Je tombe en mode "making shit happening" et je me mets à être super pro-actif. Mais si je veux délirer et avoir du fun, je préfère un verre de vin ou un edible au THC de très très loin. Et quand que je tombe en vacance, j'arrête cold turkey pendant une semaine ou deux sans aucun problème. Anyway that's my take on it.
Your just withdrawing every weekend. N get off on the feeling of withdrawals
Sdddude123 Withdrawals can be more enjoyable than using?
i think it could be withdrawal like maybe your not on enough to crave the stuff physically/mentally but on it enough that your body reacts and succumbs to the feeling of it. im not experienced with things like adderol im from the UK so we dont have it, its probably under a different name though.
Heyyy! I was diagnosed last year with ADHD at age 30. It's definitely a real thing. I appreciate your video -- thank you for sharing 🙏❤
Very great video. BTW, same process with the doctors you described. My experience in NY was exactly the same. One of my fave channels btw.
laowhy86 I'm from New York, too - even though he probably figured I didn't have it, my psychiatrist just offered me a worksheet to "see" if I have ADD/ADHD. I still get my Adderall off-label. GoodRx coupon saves me a lot of money with that one.
Also - love your channel, C-Milk! I learn a lot from you and Winston.
Awesome one thanks for watching!
yooo c-milk big fan!!, never expected to see you in these comments haha!
Wow wasnt expecting you here
Why did I think he was the guy from SPLIT
Are you trying to trick me ecetera
LMAOOOOOO
That’s patricia
Yeah, there’s 24 of them, which one?
Are you familiar with Dr Gabor Mate? Check out his book, Scattered Minds. His take on ADHD and how to live with it is both refreshing and reassuring.
Robert Garrett completely agree! Read it while waiting for my diagnosis and it was incredibly reassuring
I think you convinced him because in his newest video he's talking about that book!
Sam Afgan
Dr. Gabor Maté is a was my primary care physician in 1994.
He delivered my baby girl that year. Took me safely through childbirth.
His book “ in the realm of the Hungry Ghost.” Really interesting. He is available online in many forums and podcasts.
He is love.
What's his take Robert?
@@sopersoon Which video does he talk about the book?
Great discussion on the topic. I was diagnosed as an adult in my twenties. I've found amphetamine medication to be incredibly effective for me personally. It's definitely a struggle figuring out how to go about using it safely and effectively. I started with a low dose and kept raising it slowly for about a year or two, still staying within a fairly low to moderate dose at its highest. From there I started slowly decreasing it because it seemed to be having lots of noticeable effects on my nervous system (I was taking it every day and still do for the most part). I found that after decreasing it, I benefitted greatly because I was actually calmer and better able to focus. After a while of being on a very low dose, I just raised the dose slightly again for the first time in a while. Feeling great but I know it's always a game of raising and lowering.
I'm definitely dependent on it. When I take a day off, I feel useless. That's my biggest issue with meds. Overall, it's been a great benefit. If I never got prescribed them I would be in a world of hurt. I was not functioning well at all before being diagnosed and fell into long cycles of depression and extreme anxiety. It's funny to think that after being given 'speed', my anxiety significantly decreased lol. I weigh that against the decrease in my brain's ability to produce dopamine. Still figuring out strategies to get the most out of it without sacrificing my health or my ability to work and function competently in the long term. Good luck with everything Adam! Hope you can figure out a strategy that's beneficial to your life and work.
Matt Byrne thanks for this message mate, I’m about to start and reading this has been a help 👍
Your brain doesn't "produce" dopamine per say. If I recall correctly, it just inhibits the re-uptake of it in your synapses. Synthesized dopamine can be intravenously injected but it actually doesn't pass the blood brain barrier and only used peripherally for things like heart failure of when someone is in shock. I could be wrong so feel free for anyone to chime in.
No lie I’ve had that very thing happen to me. I’m still struggling to find the right dose or meds, how did you know that it was starting to work right and what meds do you take if you’ll even read this? I’d love to know more bein 100% I take vyvanse and yeah I do alittle more but, mood never ever increased motivation didn’t, and my tolerance is raising quickly to most everything. I don’t want to have to “abuse” my meds just to feel motivated or focused on work.
My anxiety also disappeared when I started taking adhd meds
I relate to his story so much , being told I was depressed for years and put in zoloft which only made things worse. after my 8 month wait for my appointment I was put on 10mg of ritalin and quit the antidepressants and I can finally follow through with tasks that I would normally just get pissed and quit . I didnt realise how bad my ADD was until my relationship fell apart because I couldn't even focus enough to have a conversation or give attention to her . I feel like I have my life back finally .
Great video! ❤️ I was diagnosed with ADHD shortly before my 25th birthday - and like you I sought it out because I knew I needed *something* to improve my productivity & I had reached a bit of a rut using cannabis regularly for 6 years. I was prescribed methylphenidate because, like you, I was concerned about Amphetamine having a potential negative impact particularly especially in light of MDMA abuse in my late teens. Almost a year later and I am much more productive, and have completely kicked my cannabis habit.
Regarding burn out & dose raising you may want to look into supplementing with N-acetyl-Tyrosine or other dopamine precursors (I also eat a high protein, high fat, low carb diet) as there is no point taking stimulants if you don’t have enough “fuel” to run the engine at full speed. I find that NALT & choline supplements taken with and after my meds completely mitigate the ‘crash’, and mint tea (& other menthol products) also keep one’s sensitivity to dopamine up!
Dude...listening to you was like hearing someone else speaking out what i´m experiencing!
This was precious to me!
Thank you very much!
All the best from Berlin/Germany.
OMG I’m almost 45 years old and self-employed with a family (our daughters are 19 & 21 now) and I was amazed at how much your story sounded exactly like mine! I’ve owned my own estate sale company for the last 8 years, conducting weekend sales inside clients homes and liquidating the entire contents that their loved ones spent a lifetime collecting. Needless to say it takes weeks to get these estate sales ready and I’ve usually always done most of the prep work myself. Endless hours of being distracted by thousands of interesting items and research. My poor wife who’s an RN, has suffered the most from my constant working and not being able to focus. One time I ended up in the ER because of over exertion and major heart palpitations. They tested me for lots of things but everything was negative. The doctor saw me the next day and said “Honey, you’re like a chihuahua, very hyper and you’re just dealing with a lot of anxiety.” That was probably 4 or 5 years ago around the time my wife was going back to school to become an RN. Recently she told me that although we both tend to be against too many prescription drugs, she thinks that I might benefit from low doses of Adderall. Your video made me laugh thinking of how much it sounded exactly like me too! 😄 Especially the part where you said “ I know you want to research this video idea, but what you need to do right now is finish this thumbnail so you can post the damn video!” 😄 That is SO me! Jumping from one thing to the next without ever finishing the other things.
I’d love to be able to talk to you sometime. Feel free to contact me if you have time, which I know from being self employed that saying is funny “if you have time” 😁 But seriously though, you can always message me on FaceBook too. My name is Danny Triplett and my FB profile pic is me with my arm around President Jimmy Carter, in his living room. Long story about some stuff I found in a house that actually belonged to him. My company is called Full House Liquidation. I’m located in Tampa, FL.
Take care, and best of luck with everything!!
~ Danny
I live in Canada, and it was alarmingly easy to get a prescription. The wait time to see a psychiatrist hasn't changed, and since it can take many months, I was given a questionnaire. Based on my answers, my doc was willing to prescribe adhd meds to me the day we went over the questionnaire.
Dude, I started taking Adderall when I was eight years old. When I got into highschool, I realized what the compound was actually doing to my body and brain chemistry, so I refused to take it and stopped. I went years without taking it and my productivity was terrible. I went back to the doctor and told her my work was suffering because I couldn't focus, so she wrote me a prescription for Adderall again. In the first couple of months the difference was night and day, and then I started to develop a habitual problem with the medication. I was taking more and more as the days passed, and next thing you know, I was taking my entire months prescription in about 10 to 15 days. That wasn't a good sign, so I stopped again. I ended up getting back on it at the age of 27, and I almost immediately started abusing it, so I stopped again.
What you said about frying the dopamine receptors is absolutely true. Here I am 3 years later almost, and I am almost absent of all emotion except for anger. I also have a girlfriend and a son, probably around the same age as yours, and I find it hard to come with daily life because of the damage on a neorological level that the compound has done to my brain. I want it and feel like I actually need it to be normal again.
I've been watching your other channel for about 2 years now, and I actually stumbled upon it on a come down off of my first mushy trip. I've been a fan since the first night I watched your mushy video, and I just want you to know that you are not alone in your "ADHD" journey.
Anyway, I'm a huge fan and love all of your videos. I hope you actually take the time to read this long ass message.
Peace and love,
David
Psychedelics can heal the brain quite alot, namely ayahuasca, LSD and psilocybin. Its worth researching microdosing and neuroneogenesis of these substances.
@@jayb4384 I am actually aware of the healing properties of hallucinogens. I move around all because of work, so it's really hard for me to find the compounds that I desire.
I have a mate who healed himself from years of meth use with LSD and psilocybin. He said it made him capable of feeling love again. Perhaps you could grow some shrooms on cake or something. Anyway. Don't give up. Sending good juju your way.
why did you go over your dose? to mitigate side effects?
If you experience emotional blunting when taking stimulant medication, the dose is likely too high.
My mom knew something was off when I was 4 and took me in to get evaluated in 1990. By age 7 the developmental pediatrician diagnosed me with Severe ADHD/ODD. This was in the 90s when it was extremely rare for girls to be diagnosed. I showed classic symptoms of delayed speech, hyperactivity, sleep problems, angry outbursts, disorganization.... I still have those records. Been taking stimulants on and off my whole life. My life always goes to crazy when I am off meds for a while. I am 35 and take meds now
The stigma and misconception of stimulant meds has a long way to go. I was diagnosed 3 weeks at the age of 24z I have suspected I had ADHD for years, but was misdiagnosed with BPD, bipolar, GAD, MDD, etc. Finally after finding a decent psychiatrist I was told all of my symptoms are related to untreated ADHD. I took my first vyvanse dose the next day and oh my god. It wasn’t like I had energy, but I had the motivation, focus, drive. I stopped having panic attacks from sensory overload, stopped having emotional meltdowns, stopped binge eating, and I actually wanted to wake up everyday. I was excited just to be able to do my dishes and my hand in my uni assessments on time.
However many people in my life were quite skeptical and I feel somewhat judged and sometimes it gives me a sense of imposter syndrome. But I know it has changed my life and made me want to live again.
Also just to add, I haven’t had euphoria either. Im only on 30mg and Im happy with that. I just want to be a functioning human without a chronic mental illness. I want my brain to be quiet. 😂
I'm a 40 year old single mom that struggles with ADHD and was put on adderall years ago. I feel that it's damaged my dopamine levels. I remember it working at first but upon taking it everyday it's destroyed my concentration and finishing tasks. I've taken breaks in the past and felt more beneficial. So with that said, I'm grateful for this video and pray I found my answer to a solution. Thank you
I believe I have ptsd from being homeless for the past 5 years, covid, and being stabbed so violently to the point of evisceration in 2020. This is helping me beyond words. I’m concerned I will never be prescribed this. I am no longer capable of taking care of my health and basic needs while trying to survive homeless. My memory is suddenly horrible. I’m in constant fog, and my body is heavy.
Wow I am sorry you are going through hell
My genetic disorder has a 73% occur an every of diagnosed AD(H)D. When 2 psychiatrists, (one who had written papers about misdiagnosis of ADHD in kids), 4 psychologists, a pediatric neurologist, 3 pediatricians AND an MD/naturopath ALL Diagnosed my son at 3 1/2 and agreed his behavior had just become too impulsive & unpredictable, (I was in med school at the time, was completely against psychotropics in children-which is why it took so many to convince me), PLUS he had a hard time talking because his thoughts moved so fast.
After just a week on Ritalin, then adderall, my son was talking normally, started actually READING, and knew the Latin names for far too many insects...and bacteria that he loved identifying with my microscope. Luckily, they trusted me to adjust his dose to the lowest effective dose. I was also diagnosed several months later, but chose not to use meds.
A warning: it actually gets worse as you age..or it has with me and other adult ADD’s I know. I’m considering going on meds because I’m learning Chinese..which is impossible if you’re easily distracted. Hell, it’s hard for NORMAL people. I’d hoped my kratom would help because it’s helped me with so many other things. I’m open to other suggestions, if anyone has any. (I’m trying a high caffeine Chinese tea with some other unidentifiable herbs from China that a friend in China sent me. He’s a retired MD & TCM Practitioner and is hoping to get me regulated on TCM/Ayurvedic remedies legal in China since my son & I plan on moving late next year.)
"On your computer having a million different tabs open" as I'm on my computer with a million different tabs open.
I've got 10 youtube tabs open and i'm flicking back and forth between different videos, emails and excel documents while "watching" this. I think I might be a candidate for medication.
Hey there,
I just want to say your story hits hard here at me. When I was in pre-school, my teacher told me I may have had something since I was always energized and running around and not being able to sit still, and she told my mom that there was a medication to calm me down, but that I would then I wouldn't show as many feelings. My mom said no and she preferred me how I was than to have me medicated, just like your mom.
I knew I was ADHD, but the 1st psychiatrist I had just told me I should go on a SSRI and that I was just mildly depressed and anxious. I told her no, I'm not that and I know there is something else, but just prescribed me Zoloft. I told her don't waste your time writing that as I will not take it. I finally found a psychiatrist who was willing to hear me out and prescribed me Dexedrine (Pure vyvanse) and oh my god, it changed my life completely. I now only take it when I have big projects and I have gotten my life back on track. Thanks for sharing your story :)
Greetings from San Diego! 👋👋
I was prescribed adderall in high school and found out quite quickly how much it can change you as a person. I hate who it made me, and now I only take it when absolutley needed. The thing with ADHD drugs is like Adam has said here that drs tell you to take it every day and you don't even realize the transition into the different person.
that would be a great shirt. "You're the kind of person who needs pills"
OR
"I'm the kind of person who needs pills"
LOL thanks for the idea.
About time for some PsychedSubstance merch. Don't forget the awesome hats lol.
*You're
@Dylan T LOL awesome idea, i'd wear that shit
Vyvance helps my organization so much and I'm not dependent on it, i have an insanely addictive personality, i get dependent on everything including habits and activity, so I'm against meds for me personally. You don't need to take vyvance daily. It works in a way that doesn't require build up, and I've been on the same dose for a year and I haven't had any tolerance issues... or dependence. I do know someone who abuses vyvance, but I don't understand that because it doesn't do anything to me besides help me stay focused.
vyvanSe not vyvanCe
When you have ADHD it's not like that. It's not a drug for taking for fun, it is a medicine.
Lmao ok
" I've been on the same dose for a year and I haven't had any tolerance issues... or dependence." If you've been using them for over a year then you're definitely dependent.
The Dude I had a good laugh at the thought of someone raking up leaves at 3:35am. Did you really do that?
Hmm... I live in Canada too and I didn’t have to jump thru hoops. I talked to my doc about my anxiety and depression and mentioned I feel I need further help. She gave me a referral to a Psychologist who I spoke to about the possibility of having ADHD, he completed the DSM5 with me and confirmed the presence of adult ADHD. I mentioned wanting to try Adderall and he gave me a script. It’s been working really well so far.
For me ADHD is a constant running background noise that my mind is just fixated upon. Like I’m multitasking watching TV in picture in a picture mode in the corner of my eye at all times.
Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away. Caving and paying attention to it doesn’t make it go away. It’s always on. It can drive you mad if you let it.
I just have to always be listening to music to give it constant stimulus so the beast is appeased and I can go about my day in peace.
I’ve been watching your videos for quite a few months. I care across this video while doing some research on ADHD. I’m 40, I never acted out in school, spent most of my teenage years skateboarding and playing music, continued play music in bands and touring and cooking in restaurants in my down time between tours (it gave me the rush I would get playing spastic punk rock on tour, things moving really quickly and ending as soon as they start). My wife and I got pregnant and things started to get harder for me. My daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD and some issues that fall in the spectrum. Throughout that process, I felt like there was a curtain removed from the mirror for myself. I’ve been struggling for about 2 months to get help and/or diagnosed with ADHD. Like you said, the first thing my PCP suggested and prescribed were antidepressants. I tried to explain that my everyday/work related anxiety is not a function of depression. I am anxious because I WILL MAKE A CARELESS ERROR because I HAVE TROUBLE paying attention to more than one thing. I almost killed my coworkers and other motorists because I forgot to
(Continued) latch a trailer hitch, something I do everyday, but someone else was talking and I fucked up and couldn’t pay attention to the important shit, just the jibber-jabber around me. All the stuff you describe in this video is spot on. Thanks for posting it and sorry for rambling..... I pretty good at that!
Nootropics aren't harmless - almost wrecked me, i mainly took them for anxiety, and while they definitely do work - your ego and personality changes.
which ones u took?
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Your ego and personality change in life regardless
You took phenibute, didn't you?
I liked that stuff at first. Very euphoric and has some stimulating and anxiolytic effects, but then I OD'd and ended up in a trance-like, delirious state and puked all day. Threw that shit down the toilet because I saw how fucked up it made me.
I was diagnosed at almost 50... when both my teenagers were diagnosed and the psychiatrist was like, “And what about you mom?!” 😂 Meds have totally helped. But I switched from Vyvanse to Adderall so I can take less. If I’m in motion I often skip my afternoon dose. I also skip weekends if I don’t have any high focus needs. But i have to admit, the medication has been life-changing. Super helpful when I need it!
Adrianne Machina Please, don’t give your kids that stuff I took it throughout middle school and the beginning of high school and it ruined my relationship with my parents
al lloren My kids are both in their 20’s now. They actually started at 18 & 20. Their improvements have wonderful and they are both very conscious of also finding other coping mechanisms and not just relying on meds.
This video came at the perfect time. I've recently been diagnosed with add and I've been contemplating trying something so I can actually get something done for once.
People please read this .My little nephew appeared to show signs of ADHD. A doctor told his Mom to put him on a swing or find any way of swinging his body as the swinging motion does something to the child's brain and helps him focus better . I know this sounds crazy but it has helped him over a period of time.
This video helped me understand my diagnosis a little better. As a recovering addict, amphetamines scare the shit out of me. I'm not going to lie, the first few weeks have been a huge battle to not revert back to hard drug use
Can I ask for an update? I am apprehensive to start treatment bc of my struggle with addiction but I want nothing more than to improve my mental health. I am 3 yrs clean but it still makes me nervous.
I'm almost 18, I take vyvance for school, and I didn't for 16 years of my life. I have pretty severe attention issues, and I was diagnosed with ADHD and ADD multiple times, even at the age of 5. My dad and I don't really believe in medication and ADHD in general, especially because my brother was pretty bad on adderal. I was also under the belief ADHD wasn't a thing, but I tried vyvance. What I like about it is it is an as needed medication, so I don't need to take it everyday and adapt to the pill. I have no side effects and I can actually pay attention and quiet my mind when I take tests, and I couldn't focus at all before. My grades went from D's and C's to mainly A's! My stress levels have gone down immensely. I think if someone is interested in getting help, vyvance is a great option because it doesn't need to be taken daily and that makes it less damaging to your body:) it's worth a shot if you can afford it!
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ADD and ADHD is not a real fucking illness.
vyvanse not vyvance
James Jackson Not a real illness by whos books? Curious what you think it is and how you'd treat someone if you had a practise and had someone presenting with those issues.
"Professional drug taker."
A large part of the addictiveness of prescribed amphetamines is the euphoria you feel from getting all that work done. It ain't just a "you take the drug and you are feeling good" type of euphoria.
High dose amphetamines is a different beast all together. They give you a feeling of being 10 ft tall, bulletproof, the smartest person alive, and that you are to do anything and kick anybody's ass.
@Tim Stephen
Methyl changes things up
That second paragraph made me laugh quite a bit.
10 ft tall and bullet proof. Ha ha ha.
And it is a feel good type euphoria.
I can relate to a lot of what you said. Difficulty juggling multiple things in life, difficulty begining work, starting things and then tossing them after one sitting, impulse control (usually eating or being unproductive), dopamine seeking behavior (mostly through RUclips and videogames, which I think I have a tolerance to). I'm in the US and I'm not sure of the exact laws in my state but my psychiatrist said I needed to do a psychological evaluation to see if I had ADHD. I filled out the question form and the rest of the time was spent with a doctor of some sort (not sure exactly what type) doing various tasks and whatnot. They decided that I did have evidence of depression (which I obviously was) and that everything else was fine. I've been on at least half a dozen antidepressants and the only one that worked was Duloxetine, which only lasted a month and upping my dose further resulted in insomnia and eventually some very odd personality and sexual changes. The rest either did nothing or made me emotionally numb. Except Bupropion. When I was on Bupropion, I would get extremely agitated and eventually put my head through my bedroom window. I stopped taking that immediately. I've had an MRI, which apparently didn't show anything of concern, and I've had an EEG, still waiting on the results. I'm not currently on any drugs, consulting with a psychiatrist, nor receiving therapy. I'm a senior in highschool and up until the beginning of semester 2 I was taking the hardest math/science classes my school offers. I've since dropped those and am just trying to get my last English credits so I can graduate. I'm in 2 English classes and even now it's difficult. I'm not social, I almost never go out, my life consists of a little bit of English homework. It's a far step from AP Physics and AP Calculus BC, and even these classes are hard. It's obvious I'm not just stupid, sometimes I knew and understood what was happening in those hard classes. But most days class would end and I'd barely remember the premise of what was just thoroughly explained. I've kind of just given up at this point. I'm not sure what I'll do when I graduate. When I was seeing a psychiatrist he seemed frustrated with me and I think he thought I was just trying to get some pills to fix my problems, which isn't true. When I was in therapy I wouldn't fallow the plans we made, usually because I'd forget entirely or just not care enough to try. It got to the point where they kinda just said there isn't anything else they can do except give me more antidepressants (which I don't even think is the root problem, I currently don't feel depressed). I feel like I've improved a little bit, but that's probably just because I've removed anything honestly challenging, or frankly worthwhile, from my life. I'm not really sure what to do.
I was prescribed methylphenidate at 27. They have helped me a lot, but they're such a double edged sword. It's so easy to just "abuse" them.
Thank you for this vid, I was just diagnosed and nervous about taking the meds. 33 years old and I'm scared I'm finally going to have control over the overwhelming feelings and anxiety brought on by it.
Look up Dr Barkley, he is a giant in the field and was able to make sense of it for me.
plutodncr4 how are you now ?
Thank you for this, I am 35 and I just started the medicine today 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
From what I've read, therapeutic doses of Amphetamines aren't strong enough to cause a tolerance buildup
This man just makes me feel good about myslef
Taking a high therapeutic dose every day is ultimately the most effective use of the drug IMO. Taking stims "as needed" lends itself to cycles of "ups and downs" that can become difficult to manage over time. The effects of the drug are more pronounced with this approach, but in my experience this also applies to the side-effects - appetite suppression, disrupted sleep, harsh come-downs, "off" days becoming more difficult - to name a few. In this aspect, the increased tolerance actual works in your favor. Daily dosing gives you a more consistent baseline level of attention and focus (with minimal side-effects), rather than days of frantic work followed by days of lethargy. The problems with daily dosing are exactly as you say in the video so I won't go into it here. My point is mostly that there are drawbacks to "as needed" approach that you may not be aware of yet.
(Obviously everyone reacts differently, side-effects are personal and can have different impact based on needs and lifestyle, disclaimer, etc. etc.... I just thought you sounded a bit like I did when I started prescription ritalin and I thought I'd weigh in).
Im 50 yrs old i was diagnosed with add at 35 was prescribed ritalin and im still prescribed 20mg a day, its a miracle drug
Any side effects for you?
I was diagnosed with it in my 30s too. Adderall has helped me so much. It’s like night and day. I hate taking anything for extended periods of time but the benefits outweigh my apprehension.
I wish I had been checked as a kid, I would have had a very different school experience.
dude... me too. Im 32 now - I look back at my school years, and its so obvious my adhd behaviors. Man, I hope adderal works for me too - taking it tomorrow for the first time.
@@dwolfe2907 how is it
*He's talking about having a lot of tabs open* ... meanwhile i'm sitting here in front of my 83 tabs ... that are all important lmaooo
I wanted to do research for an assignment. Currently easily 500 damn tabs...
My iPhone keeps telling me to delete tabs older than a month because I have 500 open. No joke
@@apowers7783 lmaoooo i love chrome for that, you can now even group tabs together, so it shows less until you open them up again
It sounds amazing, but sadly only worked twoce for me ... too much work to sort them lol
So I’ve only recently discovered your channels and I can tell a noticeable difference in how you very much stay on point vs the few others I have watched. Side note: it’s kind of crazy that I’ve had a very similar experience to what you describe in the video. Now, my work and home life is drastically different, but I was diagnosed at a young age and parents didn’t want me on meds. It was a daily struggle with school, but I managed to develop various methods of coping with it even if it wasn’t always effective. I got prescribed it at 31 because it felt like I could no longer get anything done and I was constantly “wasting” my time at home and work which was actually leading me into further into depression because I felt nothing was rewarding or worth doing and I didn’t have the ability to focus on the few things I enjoyed despite trying various anti depressants in the years before (latest being Zoloft). If I could give you a tip about days off meds, then it would be to really try to focus and analyze your mindset on the days when you take the medicine and try to integrate that or mimic the mindset on the off days. Some days it’s impossible, but it is often effective. Another thing I find is to do “work” in 30-45min segments and step away from it for 15 min. What you do in those 15 min I find to have various effects when I go back to work. Some times just not using computer, phone, etc and just letting my mind total wander is effective (sometimes I use music and others not). Just relaxing or simply sitting there and focusing on my breathing (not controlling it or trying to meditate) just paying attention to my breath is something I also do. Over the years I realized I’m not the only one that’s felt the way I do, but you really struck a chord with me on this one. Incoming patreon sub and look forward to content on both your channels. Wish you and your family the best!
Thanks for making this brother. I'm in the same boat: 25 years old and until this very moment never thought about being able to have ADHD, since I don't have Trouble focusing once I'm focused, and I'm not necessarily hyperactive (although I tend to seek stimuli/input).
It totally makes sense now, though, I have always 'self-medicated' my way through college, taking supplements to get myself 'started'.
Also I've come to realize that most people with ADHD have a lot of 'general' knowledge if their 'avoiding' behaviour, before being able to do what oughta be done, is e.g. googling and wikipedia ;-).
Aside from this, sub-euphoric, therapeutic doses definitely help me get more work done, and I take a break in the weekends. Thanks for letting me think about taking it sparingly, instead of daily. I'm only using around 25 mg of methylfenidate daily atm, which does wonders for my information processing.
I have had Narcolepsy since I was 14. Without amphetamines, my life would have been a shame. Please don't say "these drugs" might not be worth it. That's a bad assumption.
I take vyvanse 70mg for ADD and it’s very affective and helpful for me. My grades have Went from Ds and Cs to As and Bs. Literally. It’s helped me focus so much and to pay attention to something for longer because I have a very very short attention span and it’s extremely hard for me to focus. I find it life changing. I am now 15 and in 10th grade and it has helped me so so so much. Even when I can’t push myself to clean the house, I can take one and within an hour I’m focused and ready to get to work
Is Vavyanse a stimulant as well ?
I'm Canadian, told my family doctor about my symptoms and was written a prescription on the spot. No, our healthcare is not more cautious than the United States'.
Can you get oxy codiene or anything good easy?
the wait wasnt them being cautious its just the joys of government health care
Huh. My doc told me 6 months too. Who's your doc and are they taking new patients?
Mach1320 better than waiting for ever
Glad you shared enough of you're personal life for this honest video
I think it’s important to note that these are your opinions and are based on evidence which is anecdotal. Whilst it is important that opinions such as your own are part of the conversation, there are many others who have had hugely positive experiences.
Thanks for talking about this. I've been prescribed Concerta ER for over a decade now and diagnosed with ADHD when I was 8 years old. Before taking medication, I was concerned that it would change me or I would get addicted. All it does is provide a little adjustment so I feel less overwhelmed by all of the tasks. I also use several organizational and planning strategies to keep me motivated and on task. Within that decade, my organizational skills have greatly improved thanks to a combo of Concerta and non-medicational methods. Meditation also helps and I try to seek work where ADHD might be an advantage.
My other thoughts are that I wonder if we would be on these meds or diagnosed if we didn't live in a capitalist system after the industrial revolution that expected everyone to work for these long hours for money. What would we do in a different kind of system?
Bingo
There's a theory out there that ADHD is an evolved trait rather than a "glitch". Basically during hunter/gatherer days, having some people with ADHD in your community helped a lot with situations like spotting predators, exploration, new discoveries, etc. It's only once specialization became the norm that ADHD was no longer more beneficial than detrimental. It's unfortunate that those with ADHD are no longer the "fittest" in evolutionary terms, but medication, education, coping mechanisms and finding suitable work can still help maximize the benefits and minimize the harm.
How are you Adam?
good
thats good
Thanks
I'm good dude! How are you?
great
in my life amphetamines were nothing but positive
I just want to say thank you for this. I’ve been taking medication for adult ADD as well. And I could go on a big rant. But basically after learning what I should have in the beginning of that journey .. I’m going to slowly come off it. It’s ruining my life and I don’t even know who I am anymore. Increasing depression and this explains a lot. Thank you.
How is it increasing your depression? Is it because you rely on it? And stigma?
SWIM have had a similar experience, and your video has helped regain focus as to how and why to take the medication... SWIM was diagnosed w/ ADD early (Age 6) Stopped taking it age 12, saying SIWM didn't need it, and denied the diagnosis as misinterpreted. Age 22 looked at personal habits, and patterns over those years, and realized it's not far fetched SWIM might actually have ADD. SWIM figured to give it a try (easier to obtain amphetamines than therapy where SWIM lives). 4 months into it, SWIM found their self chasing euphoria to be productive. Then took note of the feared issue of dependence.. Came across this video, and re-assured SWIM that it's okay, and need to get on track w/ responsible use, and keeping tolerance in mind. Will seek support in getting back on track.
Adam, I am sitting here in tears. I am 53 years old and this is the very first time I have ever heard anyone describe my symptoms exactly. My family doctor began prescribing me amphetamines about 6 years ago. After speaking to him about my issues and how fed up I was of myself, he began giving me the lowest dosage possible. He warned me that I would not like them at first but give my system a week or two to adjust. He was correct, I did not like the way they made me feel in the beginning. That has changed. The fact that I can complete a project, I am able to sit and take notes, I am able to sit and listen to a lecture, I can communicate my thoughts, I can complete cleaning my home in one afternoon. and I can go on and on. However, if I am out of my medication, I feel hopeless. Something as simple as writing my name is a struggle. I absolutely hate this. What are my options or alternatives? Thank you in advance. Prayerfully submitting.
bridgette baldwin - Me too sweetie. I'm 42, _just_ going for testing in 6 months myself.
You are _NOT_ alone 🤗🌼
With a question that important you really should ask your doctor first and foremost. That sounds like an awful struggle and I wish you the best.
I take 2 5mg adderalls daily. I agree with you, I want the very lowest dose to reach threshold effect. I'm scared to take too much, because when I do take like 30mg, my body feels just awful. Super low doses? TOTALLY reasonable, IF you can trust yourself not to abuse the drug and take more.
30 is not“later in life” 🙄 I’m 56 and just been prescribed!
I love you dude. The way you talk about our condition is open and refreshing.
You literally told my entire story so I am a witness to what you are saying. I was diagnosed with at age 45 for all the reasons you stated above desperation due to be overwhelmed from the lack of focus, disorganized, switching task, 10k windows open at once, excited about starting projects but rarely ever finished and a whole lot of other things that my family and friends could not understand. They also initially said I was depressed, but like you I wasn't, the affects of not being able to perform effectively made me stress and overwhelmed, ...,
danielle dixon this is exactly how I feel!!!! I just got prescribed Vyvanse and I feel the same way he does. I don’t want to use this forever
I was 40 when prescribed Adderall and for the first time in my life, I can say, life couldn't be any better!
I was diagnosed at 30, as well. I really should have been diagnosed as a child, looking back, but it was not as common back then. Adderall is a tremendous help to me. I take it as needed, meaning if I am sick in bed or having a chill day at home when I don't need to be focused on doing anything or being anywhere I don't take it. These meds affect people so differently that it is very hard to tell how one's experience will be from one person to another. For some, they work great... for others, not so much. They work for me. I think it's important to point out that these meds (amphetamines) in the therapeutic dose are nothing like street amphetamine (speed or meth). For me personally, I do not get a high from it or want to clean the entire house top to bottom like a "normal" person might. Most ADHDers don't seem to feel any sort of high from the meds. It's interesting that you were told you need to take it every day. According to my doctor (and my research) that is incorrect. Adderall is like aspirin - you take it as needed. It doesn't need to build up in the system to work. I've taken Adderall for years and I don't have an issue with feeling happy. I don't feel that I have any side effects from it, other than better focus, less aggression, etc. I don't like recreational drugs at all (I've never even been drunk before) so it irritates me greatly when people stereotype me as a 'drug seeker' or compare therapeutic meds to street drugs. They ARE different and the people take them for different reasons. No judgement, recreational drugs are just not my thing. I highly object to your assumption that most people with ADHD have addictive personalities and will abuse their meds. That's a HUGE generalization and not cool, man.
this is so dumb it just hurts to read
"Adderall is like aspirin." Maybe to a tweaker.
"these meds (amphetamines) in the therapeutic dose are nothing like street amphetamine" They are both amphetamines you idiot.
Correct, a complete idiot. Amphetamine is amphetamine. Prescribed amphetamine is purer than street drugs, thus stronger. There is no safe dose. All doses do damage. Girl, you don't feel euphoria anymore because you've damaged your dendrites/axons/terminals.
JustChrisss I think you took that out of context. What she meant is you can take the medication as needed. Like you would aspirin.
CharlieTheFacehugger I’m pretty sure that is not what she meant. I think she meant that it’s not like a street drug type of high.
.. why do people even think that ADHD doesnt exist
ADHD symptoms can make someone appear to be lazy and have no self-control, through no fault of their own. But some people without ADHD prefer to assume these people are in fact just lazy with no self-control because it makes them feel better about themselves.
^ Excactly Niall. ADHD is a a real thing, but not everybody that get's prescribed methylfenidat and Amphetamines have ADHD because they might just be lazy and say they have no self-control
affi a you missed the point bud, read that again
Because they are ignorant. Just plain and simple. Anyone who can look you in the face and tell you a disorder we have being studying since 1790 is fake is a perfect example of the dunning Kruger effect
It partially has to do with the fact that everyone is struggling to do tedious work to some extent. And basically he's saying that's what ADHD is, being unable to focus and thus struggling to do tedious work. NO ONE I know of likes to do tedious work.
I've been diagnosed with ADHD too and used to take Ritalin until the age of 17 but then I quit. It was hard at first but ultimately I learned to pull myself together (yes, I know it pisses you off when Daddy tells you this, but really that's what life is about ;) ) and now am better than before. I'm glad that I'm off this stuff. I worked hard on myself and succeeded. I'm no longer the pill zombie who took the shortcut. Because that's what ADHD medication is. Don't kid yourself.
ADHD medication improves everyone's mental performance, even those who don't have ADHD.
You are me thank you for this video, wish you the best with everything you do my man!
Your a very well speaker Adam. I respect you and what you do. We need more people like you in the mainstream. I’m glad your channel is growing, You deserve it ✌🏼
I've just been diagnosed and for me I plan on taking concerta every day. I'm struggling a lot with it's symptoms which has lead to being fired from just about every job I've ever had, I'm struggling with alcoholism, I'm putting myself in seriously unhealthy relationships, not managing my money etc. Do I feel like it's going to be as good for my body as consuming nothing but healthy foods, water and getting in my workouts? No. However my ADHD is going to either get me put in prison or killed if I don't manage it. It's all about the positives vs negatives. I do not care the dose, I do not care how long I'm on, I simply want the ADHD under control in my day to day life before it further ruins me and the few relationships I have left.
I was feeling almost the same as you! I was very worried to end up in prison or killed too... Too early for me to say that it was a good choice to take amphetamine, but everything is better for me now, I hope for you too. Really life changing, from darkness to light.
Your body by default produces low dopamine, that's why you were prescribed these.
Taking that medication does not affect the dopamine your body produces.
Exactly, and, as someone who is currently taking Adderall for Inattentive ADHD, I think that is why I have never experienced withdrawals or become addicted to it in anyway.
Lol it does, even things like coffee, masturbation n porn fucks it up
You don’t know what your talking about, adderall is a dopamine re uptake inhibitor
eXpas04 what do you mean bro
eXpas04 I can say this is true
Anyone else have bad headaches when taking adhd meds everyday for a week or so? Just one a day.
Mass Hysteria if you’re experiencing these headaches as you reach the end of the medication’s effectiveness what you’re most likely experiencing is the come down from being on adhd meds! If not then you probably aren’t getting the right dosage and you should discuss this with your doctor!
Dr. Thomas E. Brown does a great job discussing this in the lecture he did called Dilemma of ADHD in teens and adults towards the end if you’d like to know more. All his lectures contain great insight tbh
@@clowncityusa thank you for your reply, I will look into Dr. Brown. I've recently quit taking them but i get alot more done with.
@@clowncityusa i watched the video you suggested and I did learn a lot about add but I think my problem with the headaches is coming from extreme overuse of my eyes. That's where the headaches root from. I got to do more research and maybe go to a eye doctor.
Mass Hysteria are you drinking enough water
Everyday I get headaches around the end of the day because I don’t drink water that much
You honestly went in the right direction not going on the SSRI. I tried escitalopram to treat anxiety and it only really helped with some background issues from my social anxiety. I'm going to try going off of it soon as I don't really feel like I need it anymore now that I'm working toward understanding and getting treatment for ADHD, which has pretty much removed the rest of the anxiety issues I've been facing. The most the SSRI did for me was tell me what was and wasn't the ADHD-related anxiety.
Bro, you gained a sub. Your objectivity, candor and general sense of humility are greatly appreciated. I live in Atlanta and the process was exactly the same as you described for us in the US. It's a double edged sword for me, too. Thanks for rationalizing in harmony with my own rationalizations. I appreciate your perspective and verify that you're handling and rationalizing things well. Keep up the communication with your girlfriend and enjoy that little one. Cheers!
The reason the psychiatrist told you take it every day is because it is thought that over time, with the help of psychostimulants, pathways in the brain associated with attention and self-control will be strengthened. So rather than just being an upper, adderall, ritalin et al. actually rewire your brain over time which can have lasting benefits for ADHD.
Is this true though in real life?I ve heard that too but you always read of people just getting tolerance and having to up the dose etc
Yeah I heard my doctor say this too but it never happened? Seems like this was more speculation than fact.
Citation plox
you don't have to raise the dose if you really have the right dose
you absolutely do if you are taking it everyday for a period of time. That is how tolerance works.
Tyler Michael read up on the science of tolerance
Tyler Michael i think the point of taking it everyday is that you loose the effect after creating eveyday structure
6 MONTH WAIT TIME??!?!
Universal healthcare at it's finest.
I'm in that same process here in Finland right now, and the time window seems to be around 1-2 months. We have universal healthcare as well. And my prolonged time to doctor is purely because the town I live in is suffering from sever lack of doctors.
I waited for almost a year... I finally got my prescription today.
I'm also in Canada and my family doctor diagnosed me on a check up appointment for somthing else and I had my prescription that day. Altho I didnt start taking them until 2 weeks after i had them.
I’m in WI. It’s also a 6-7 month wait time here. I had a connection with my wife’s psychologist (psychiatrist?) and she was able to get me in much sooner.
same @@Kaylasgood
Right around this time last year I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD at 30 years too. What a year it has been, I have a feeling that the pandemic and the time I’ve been able to spend at home with my own thoughts and be able to reflect on them for the first time since I finished high school were a huge factor that made this life changing event possibile. I learned many things, mainly how to talk to others and about my flaws that I didn’t see as something out of the ordinary (interrupting, neglecting people because of hyperfocuses). I learned how to listen to and tune in when others speak to me as well as to my own thoughts, which made me realize that the things I struggle with are not that common in other peoples lives (constantly failing behind deadlines, procrastinating, inability to force myself doing things in which I don’t have a personal interest, really bad emotional breakdowns and mood swings).
I began using drugs regularly three years ago, it just happened after I got divorced at 27, met new people, new girlfriend I guess my teenage experimentation era came late. I always made sure to take them responsibly by providing supplementation and not doing it excessively to avoid any damage to the body and by making extensive research about the type of substance that I’m using. I set for myself and my girlfriend some strict ground rules, and I think they turned out to be working fine. For all the substances I’ve tried I’ve been always keen towards only one type - stimulants, especially amphetamines, those were the only substances that when taken (prior the idea of having ADHD) made me think, ‘this is something I really like and I need to be cautious because this actually may make me hooked’. And it wasn’t because they made me feel good, I mean euphoric or anything like that. At that time I described it as finally having a ‘sharp’ mind for an extended period of time, like I could for some reason focus on one current thought and not get sidetracked by something else, moreover I was able to CHOOSE what I want to think/focus on. Other drugs do not make me feel that way. I have/had a very strange relationship with marijuana though - turns out that with ADHD I have received other fun traits such as the inability to understand and differentiate between various emotional states with such ease as others. My whole life I literally thought that the thing that made me feel uncomfortable physically in the chest is what anxiety is, for example. When I smoke marijuana, somehow this emotional sensing ability gets amplified, which made me feel emotions that I didn’t understand nor felt so distinctively before, which helped me in learning them, but it was a very rocky road at times. Anyway, nowadays I have methylphenidate prescribed and it really makes a huge difference in life quality (I take no more than 15mg a day, usually 10mg). I was able to almost effortlessly quit smoking, my weekend drug use thinned out. I significantly reduced my alcohol intake, because I was able to realise how much I’ve been using it monthly. I started doing things, I could focus on work (I’m a software developer and convincing myself to do tedious, repetitive tasks is so much easier). Some people say that they got anxiety from it, but from my personal observations, what is happening is that being on meds makes listening to your own thoughts easier. I just noticed how many anxious thoughts were floating in my mind already. It also helped me to notice other things beside anxiety in my head such as OCD traits, that manifested itself mainly in the form of obsessing on negative thoughts, or just things in general.
…and I lost what my point was supposed to be.
Listen to your own thoughts and learn how to be conscious, if you do so some drugs it’s ok but not too many, medication helps af and get some therapy while you’re at it.
Whatever you said from 3:00 onwards, IS SO ME! Don't push me as the more I am pushed, the more I am not 'cooperating' in the situation. So overwhelming! (like right now) watching ADHD videos instead of doing my work which deadline is in a few days time!
As someone who was prescribed them when I was 32 I was diagnosed with ADHD. I was taking 80 mg of Ritalin a day. Which is a crazy amount. I tried many of the other forms adderall concerta etc but Ritalin was only one that worked. But I can tell you I completely regret taking them. I’m 47 now have been off them for 6 years now and my brain is not the same. I used to be able to read for hours before I took them. Now i can’t even read 3 pages before my attention is gone and no absolute no recall.
The stigma of taking them added to my depression, reclusiveness and anxiety. Doctors treated me as a drug seeker even though I never had that behaviour before. I smoked weed here and there didn’t drink. But yet because I was an adult taking Ritalin this is how I was treated. I had no idea you could abuse it. But I learned and began to abuse it. I am living with complex ptsd so my brain chemistry is wonky to begin with. I have low dopamine and it did help me calm down. Slowed my thoughts and made me happy.
At the end I became what I was being treated as. I came off them and now have to live with the consequences of my misuse and how I have essentially burned my brain out. If you do have an addictive personality or prone to escaping please find another way to manage your new diagnosis. Canadian also.
drs treated as drug seeker ---> ''smoking weed here and there'' ---> what you expect?
Andreas M 👏🏻👏🏻🖕🏻troll
Chili Redhead you can try 5htp and L-Tyrosine. L-Tyrosine is used to produce noradrenaline and dopamine so maybe that gonna help you boost your mood and concentration. All are natural products you can buy them pretty much everywhere. And also they ain't that expensive.
Laurynas Stramkauskas I will look for them. I live in the uk now so not sure if they are available. You need a prescription to get melatonin here.
Laurynas Stramkauskas thank you I have ordered some of both and will try them.
When I was 15 I was prescribed with Ritalin against my ADHD. After two years of taking it basically every day like my doctor told me to, I felt that it had lost it's effect, so I tried snorting it (dumb as I am), and suddenly I was able to focus again, while also getting intense kicks of euphoria upon taking it. Fast forward two months and I'm addicted to snorting Ritalin and amphetamine, which I snorted at least three times per day, around 60-80 mg of Ritalin on average in total. I kept on doing this, along with taking other drugs, for about five months. The last time I took it I tried to end my life during the withdrawal, so I forced myself to quit. Today I've been clean for six months, but I've been kinda depressed ever since.. I'm not the same cheerful and happy dude I used to be anymore. How long time does it take for your dopamine system to recuperate? If I were to start microdosing LSD on a regular basis, would that help me, or possibly fuck me up even more?
Adam Shaw Ah, okay. I'm glad to hear. Perhaps I'll give it a shot. Thank you. :)
Vegan4life Ah, I see! Yeah, it sucks.. I know that living a healthier lifestyle would surely make things better, but it's hard to get motivated to do so when you're depressed..
I'm glad to hear that it passes at least. It's actually slowly getting better. :)
Vegan4life Thank you, dear internet stanger. Yet again, I'm happy to hear that this shit probably passes eventually. You've inspired me to fight through it, and even live a healthier life. I mean, I broke my addiction, I believe I can break my other bad habits as well. :)
You just should have got you doctor to change it to something else, that’s what I did
Erik Hellman hey man, maybe you could also try looking for a very good psychiatrist that you can relate to as I think that psychiatrists that aren't "very good" or that may know their shit but can't relate to you and or don't understand you can be pretty unhelpful. If done correctly, medication can be very helpful I believe, but how are laypeople like us supposed to fully understand what drugs to use by ourselves? Based off anecdotal evidence from different people on the Internet.
You look like the main character from the movie split
But with worse teeth
I can see how genuine you are.
Hey, I’ve had a very similar experience with the amphetamines, but I think I have a trick for you that might help if you go for it! Try splitting your dose in half, and use it 3 days in a row followed by a break! It makes it so you can stabilize as well as keep tolerance low. I’m also personally afraid of these drugs, but even when it isn’t “working” on the surface, it helps stabilize the symptoms of ADHD overall.