Be Attentive to Epiphanies - Bishop Barron's Sunday Sermon
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Friends, we come today to the Feast of the Epiphany. The word “epiphany” comes from the Greek words meaning “intense appearance.” It is something that not only gets our attention but also reveals something of enormous significance. For the wise men of course, it was first the star; but the real epiphany was the baby King. We should be attentive in a similar way to these moments of breakthrough that speak to us of God-and we should respond.
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I have a handicapped daughter, and the first time I walked into a therapy room full of severely-handicapped babies, I didn’t actually focus on their imperfections. I was profoundly distracted by the reality that these were whole souls. This was a surprise, because I was not a person of faith at that time.
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That is beautiful my friend.
One of my epiphany was watching the movie Jesus Christ Superstar. I wasn’t a professing Christian, but at the Transfiguration Scene, I melted like wax in a pool of tears, recognizing the Truth of the scene. And to think, that was from Hollywood! God is truly Omnipresent!
Yes! Such a great film. Some people criticize it as if a musical retelling of the Gospel is meant to be a 1:1 adaption of the source material… I know many people who say it brought them closer to belief, precisely because it has a certain ineffable, transcendent quality (at least for some of us)
Yes, this was literally my first exposure to the Gospel coming from a family that was in no way religious. I was fascinated with the telling of Jesus Christ Superstar. I remember scenes in this movie opening my mind to some other world and I knew there had to be more that this present life.
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Bishop Barron, hearing you almost every time I wake up in the middle of the night, is like hearing a long time friend , with very clear messages that make me feel at peace .
Thank you much for accompanying me in the end of my life.
I am 76, married for 51 years, with 5 children and 13 grandchildren, and with pancreatic cancer phase four.
Just can’t stop thanking God for every thing! You are one of them.
Thank you Bishop Barron, from a Protestant who never tires of listening to you! God bless.
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You're not listening. You're simply hearing. If you were listening, you should have been a Catholic already.
God bless you 🙏🏽
same!
My epiphany was coming back to the Catholic Church thanks to Bishop Robert Barron, Father Mike Schmitz, and Jordan Peterson. Thank you.
I listen to Bishop Barron daily. I've listened to him in my sleep. Just put him on RUclips and let it roll from one clip to another. I love his erudition and peppering his monologues with Latin and French and references to art and literature. I feel such deep affection for and gratitude to him. A true hero to me. He calms me. I pray for the bishop for continued healthy and in his ongoing mission to lead people to a better life. Thank you, sir.
We need more role models like the bishop and less of what we are surrounded by in today's world. Pick and choose your influences wisely.
As far as American culture, Frank Sinatra was an epiphany experience for me when I was 12. I saw him on a special singing a torch song on a high stool wearing a tux. My mouth dropped and my life changed. He opened up a whole world of music to me, and to this day no one affects me musically as Sinatra does.
Beautiful
"Pick and choose your influences wisely." Very succinct, so crucial.
Boy , there’s no hiding from you. Your personal epiphany experiences are beautiful. I know precisely and perfectly what you mean . My first experience was the moment I met my to be future husband in a doorway . I was going in , he was going out. We were introduced and right then and there I said, he’s the one , he’s the one. He proceeded to go as I went in and the person I was with , my now sister in law, was astounded by what I said. She asked , what’s wrong” ? I barely got the words out, I said , “your brother is the man I’m going to marry “. She laughed .. we were married three years later and lived a life of bliss til he left for heaven four years ago. From the moment I said this is far bigger than me , it could only be my God. I still can’t put into words what happened to me that summer day , but it was life altering. I was nineteen years old , he was twenty eight. The most incredible, smart , decent , honest and loving man I’ve ever known. Not sure how I’m here without him .
My next epiphany is Bishop Robert Barron , true. Thank you.
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What a beautiful story. I had a similar experience with my now wife. God Bless.
Beautiful story 🤗😇
What an incredibly beautiful story!
That is really beautiful!
How beautiful to hear this explanation from Bishop. I'm Ugandan. The story of the Uganda martyrs is indeed painful but very beautiful. I'm just happy to hear you talk about this story from my country,as a person that has visited this place several times and is always amazed at the faith of Charles Lwanga and his companions.Thank you, Bishop.
May God bless His church in Uganda and the martyrs who witness the faith ! Peace of our Lord be with you and with Uganda
May God bless His Church in Uganda. I have a special devotion for the martys of Uganda.
Thank you for this explanation gave me a great understanding. I so am blessed every time I listen and watch Word On Fire and you Bishop Barron you are that blessing.
Me too. I always listen to his Sunday sermons
I thought the same exact thing about Mother Teresa and the sisters! Their smiles are absolutely beautiful, contagious, and heartwarming.
It is good to be wrapped in the warmth of the Roman Catholic faith. Every day at Mass I feel awed that I get to be there and witness a new 'ephiphany' that helps me stay on the right path. God Bless you Bishop Barron!!
The validity and Holiness of Catholicism is now resting mostly on this Man's shoulders.
While listening to you. I can honestly say, we have walked together. Thank you. Lovely.
Thank you Bishop Barron.
May you continue to experience your deep connection through God.
Amen Glory to God in the Highest level of Love forever. ❤❤❤
This talk on epiphanies is an epiphany in an of itself. Thank you.
Thank you, Bishop Barron. Your insights are so inspiring. So helpful in my spiritual growth and struggles. God Bless you. So grateful for your vocation and all vocations in general. 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻✝️
Keep up the good work bishop Barron.God bless 🙏
"We have come from God, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Indeed only by myth-making, only by becoming 'sub-creator' and inventing stories, can Man aspire to the state of perfection that he knew before the Fall."
- J.R.R. Tolkien, as quoeted by C.S. Lewis
Excellent sermon, Bishop Barron. I think the best literature can reflect the Truth and beauty of God, even if they aren't discussing religion explicitly.
Thank you Bishop for a great homily on the epiphanies of our lives.
hlo. Bishop. I am 60 but like this stories. i like the children BIBLE. Thanks
I love to listen to Bishop Aaron he is Bishop Barron thank you very much I'm so glad that my parish affords this every week thank you
From another protestant who loves you and prays for you. Thanks for the epiphany of your life! I too have had these experiences and thank God who is our Savior. Keep up the wonderful work.
My greatest epiphany was when Pope Francis arrived in our country; when he came down from the plane exactly and was met by thousands of people. I realized that people then were excited when Jesus visited their cities. And when Jesus left earth, the same excitement were also felt by the people when the apostles visited them. No other person in the world is received with great enthusiasm by my predominantly Catholic nation except the Vicar of Christ. Even those who converted to Protestantism, embraced him as theirs too.
That's when the blindfold placed by fringe media on my eyes was ripped off. That was when everything my ~18 yrs Catholic education has taught me makes sense. Hid in my room and cried for days while reviewing what was taught to me by the Catholic Church and my family.
No amount of fringe ideas anymore can make me doubt that it is Jesus on the altar and that I am eating His flesh and blood. Thanks to Pope Francis walking down from that plane, I rediscovered Jesus through that image.
I too had an epiphany with Pope Francis as his car passed by. I and many others where sitting on a fence to get a better view over the huge crowds. I felt the tug of grace. It reminded me of the passage of Zacchaeas.
We must always keep our Pope and our Bishops in our prayers. The responsibility they bear is incredible.
What is the name of your country (if you don't mind me asking)? You mentioned 'Pope Francis arrived in our country' & 'my predominantly Catholic nation', but you didn't state your country's name. I thought there are no more Catholic nations in today's world, so I'm curious about your nation (what country is that?)! Even countries which most of the Catholic saints came from, such as Spain, Italy & France have become progressively anti-Catholic & moving towards atheism!
This was just super. My own life-changin epiphany occurred on May 21, 1986. I decided I needed that "support group" for beer addiction. I'd not been able to stop on my own. That "speaker meeting," on a Wednesday night, changed my life "exponentially." Briefly, I had an epiphany about the meaning of words that had never quite sunk in--to this cradle Catholic: faith and grace. Along with those two words, the notion of being more open to actually being a constant, loyal "friend of God." And then with that novel idea the concept of being "of service to others."
Epiphanies are life-changing when we follow them. Yes!!! LOVED the personal experiences related here! BB brings his talent and vast understanding garnered through his studies and faith directly to the people For me, an epiphany I have had is that if the church wants to hang on to their youth, they need to provide places and events for them to attend to meet each other and connect. The same for the parents who are seeking play groups, and old people seeking to ease their loneliness, etc...
When the night is dark and the sky has no stars
When my heart feels lonely and I have no song
Come and touch my silence with a little tune
Fill me Jesus with your joy.
“Arise! Shine, for your light has come, the glory of the Lord has dawned upon you.”
Isaiah 60:1
I enjoyed reading the very diversely rich epiphanies in the comments section: First borns, movies, first loves…How so very personal God is in the ways and timing He manifests His nature to us, His children.
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Very beautiful, Father.
Excellent. Thank you sir
Thank you B.Barron! This was exquisite and also accessible for all to deeply explore introspectively. I loved it! You were my Epiphany today.
It’s 1023 on epiphany Sunday and I just listen to your homily Bishop. It’s only recently that I’ve started listening to your Sunday homilies as faithfully as I pray the daily rosary. You shared so many epiphanies of your own life and they are all powerfully beautiful! Thank you for sharing your faith and love of our master and Savior Jesus Christ
That Camaldolese monastery in Big Sur is a holy place. It's perched up on the cliffs overlooking the Pacific, one of the most beautiful spots in the world. The monks are silent, and the guests are as well. It's one of the few places you can go for retreat anymore where there is no cell reception and no WiFi. And the Bishop is right about the stars!
Thank you. I’m an Oblate of New Camaldoli and agree that it is a place where matter meets spirit. Truly holy.
Bishop Barron, I had a summer house in Big Sur for 30 years and often visited the Camaldoli monastery there in Lucia. I was thrilled to hear you reference it. Some of the monks there helped me profoundly. Always praying for you and grateful for decades of your wonderful influence.
Bishop: Jesus speaks through you. Thank you.
At one time there was a lot of chaos in my life and we were caring for several dogs that my kids had adopted but weren't really in position to attend to. They were getting shelter and food but no one was paying attention to their specific needs. It became apparent at one point that a young female was pregnant . Why we allowed this to happen was a source of discussion as it was only going to increase the chaos. She gave birth to 5 puppies, when she was probably not even a year old herself. As soon as the puppies were born, she became hostile to the other dogs, kept them away from her puppies. We built a pen so she could nurse and nurture them. She was a puppy herself but was a perfect mother. Eventually we found good homes for them. That whole experience was an epiphany for me. Bless you, Bishop Barron.
Wow. Yes. Thank you for this. I’ve had these experiences. So nice to hear them put it into words. It’s TRULY GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL. That pierces our souls into infinity.
BB, you never cease to amaze me with your words. It is like a novel coming to life before my very eyes. How I wish that I had spend more time listening to my life instead of trying to live someone else. Amazing what can happen when we really open our eyes. ❤
your comment too has a huge impact on me. thank you!
When I first 'met' you and your online Catholic ministry, sharing your thoughts and person it was an 'Epiphany' Bishop. Thanks for all you do...God Bless you, in Jesus name.
A Sunday sermon using the example of James Joyce and Bob Dylan to bring the listener closer to God! Bishop Barron, you are a treasure of the Church.
Thanks Bishop Barron, as Armenians we celebrate our Christmas on January 6 due to the unity of 2 important events namely the Nativity and Babtism of Christ..we call it "Asdvadzahaydnoutioun" which means the appearance of God among men, over 1722 years we remained faithful to our tradition and still. My best regards from Montreal
Thank you, Bishop Barron! I never thought of my spiritual experience as an epiphany, but it was after listening today. To read, pray and study the Word of God finding out that Jesus Christ is Lord for all. The long-awaited Messiah for the Jews! I had my first epiphany in 1982 when someone played "Slow Train Coming" by Bob Dylan many years prior to my greatest epiphany. Bob is in the same realm as Joyce, Shakespeare, and Beethoven.
"... when something shows itself so powerfully that ultimately it speaks to us of God." ✨ (3: 25 - 3: 32)
Intense. Powerful. Unexplainable. The Epiphanies happens magically, mystifying, randomly.
Psalm 46:10: “Be still, and know that I am God.
I get epiphanies almost every time I hear one of your Sunday Sermons. Thank You and keep them coming.
Thank you Bishop Baron for sharing the epiphany experience.
Your considerations are also an epiphany.
Lord thank you for all the epiphanies I've experienced. Thank you Bishop Barron for illuminating this to us as now we've come to appreciate and take cognizant of the good, the beautiful and the true epiphanies of our lives. We continue to pray for you, the WOF, and the men and women behind this ministry. May the Lord continue to protect and bless you physically and spiritually. Greater years ahead.
What a wonderful Era to be alive...to be Catholic, when one can turn on, listen and learn from one of thee most brilliant minds of our time. This theologian is so humble to share himself with his flock, to parse scripture and history, for us. May we follow thru and practice and share the Word. So grateful for you, your Excellency Bishop Barron.
Hands up if you want Bishop Barron to make a public Spotify playlist with his favorite songs!
Im 34 but I listen mostly to classic 70s rock. Sometimes its a bit difficult to find music that doesn't conflict with my faith.
One of your best videos by the way!
Bishop Barron is a gifted preacher❤️ Glory to the Lord Jesus!
Thank you Bishop Barron for such a wonderful explanation of what “Epiphany” really means! I love the way you illustrate its meaning with concrete examples of enlightening moments in your own life and the references to James Joyce from whose writing I first learned the word. Thank you for reminding us that these moments are break-throughs that lead us back to the source of beauty, goodness and truth. God bless you and all who have made your teachings so available on RUclips!🙏
May the Lord bless you too Bishop Barron for this great sermon concerning the Feast of the Epiphany and what Epiphania can mean to me, as it did to the Magi, as it did for James Joyce, as it did for you!!!
Once the Lord breaks through into your life, savour that moment and follow it all the way to the source of what is true and good and beautiful.... move, act as the wise men did! Thank you Bishop Barron for your words of guidance and inspiration.
Yes...Mother Of All Stars...OR more appropriately (perhaps, contextually!)...STAR Of All Stars...JESUS❣
Thank you Bishop Barron for your powerful words. I too visited Calcutta in 1980 and visited the house of the dying where Mother Theresa’s nuns were so kind and devoted. I was in awe of their work. I have experienced those moments of grace a few times and realized the difficult task I was performing no longer seemed so.
Your words stay with me and your message is more powerful than you can imagine. God Bless you and your work! 13:41
My epiphany was the first time I saw my first born after an emergency c-section ❣️ It was as if God gave me the greatest and most precious job of my life; to care and love this little buddle of joy and help her reach her greatest potential 💗
@Bernard EvilLaw Parents need to be vigilant of who they bring around their children. If it was an orphange, then there should've been and should be going forward, more authority over such a large institution that involves children.
In my opinion, you can't blame a whole religion because there are bad apples in it. Those pedophiles' actions have nothing to do with the birth of my firstborn child.
I am sorry to hear of such a tragedy, but I don't comdend my Catholic faith because of a bunch of malevolent a$$holes.
My epiphany, was in watching the catechism in a year. To realize the we are not just tolerated by God, but were loved into being.
Are you talking about Fr. Mike's series?
I am so glad you always bring the humanity of our great authors into your prose. I agree that our God can do what He can only do. Thanks for the joy you bring!
I can totally relate to your experiences, Bishop Barron. I so enjoy your Catholic/ philosophical presentations. Thank you! You are an inspiration. And may God bless YOU, too!
One of my favorite feasts as well!
Epiphanies - Bishop Barron, you have created many of these epiphanies for many people with your works around the globe …. Some who were blessed like me to meet you at dinner and receive holy communion from you in 2022. Truly, these experiences were the highlights of 2022, sending me more on mission to spread the news of our rich Catholic faith. Having spent thirty years “running around the barn” in various churches and spiritual sects searching, and here all along, I was born into the church Jesus began 2013 years before I had various epiphanies to bring me back to our glorious sacraments and rich Catholic faith. God bless you and the WOF staff and their families for the huge sacrifices you all make to send more of us on mission for Jesus Christ’s Church.
Honor your father and your mother, people. Respect your elders.
Beautiful homily, Bishop. Thank you for your Ministry. God Bless You.
Your words, almost always, move me, but never more than today. This ""epiphany" is what I strive to feel in my heart and soul: where the living spirit moves within me, bringing an epiphany of God's love and grace. Thank you, Bishop Barron, for saying so eloquently what I pray to feel. May God keep you safe for many years to the benefit of all who love or may come to love Him through your work.
Thank you Bishop Barron
Thank you Bishop Barron. God bless you 🕊️✝️🙏
YES epiphanies in life happen and awareness to them brings you joy and happiness. Makes your sensed taste or smell amazing things and the beauty of that moment capitvates you. Like when the peace and warmth come apond you for healing of pain or injury its like a light blanket of comfort and awe! It feels so good relief and love. A spiritual encounter that you remember . And can share with others. To build others Faith as well. Or when i paint on a canvas and see it different after it dries i see things in the picture wow how did that happen as paint dries with its own image as well . Ever so sutle wowy! I say out loud how did that get there. Interesting to see . Or i can work with it to create more things inspiration. For the next project . So yes epiphanies . Thank you Bishop Barton for sharing your video with me today.
Thank you so much Bishop Barron for this wonderful reflection. I couldn’t have thought it this way.
Well, If I have to be attentive to the Epiphanies of our Lord, I could only think about the grand Sinulog festival in Cebu, Philippines.
Every third Sunday of January, we celebrate the feast of the Señor Santo Niño or the Holy Child Jesus. The statue/image was a gift from Magellan and his companions to the first christians in the Philippines - who were baptised on an Easter Sunday after Magellan and his men successfully landed on our shores.
I must say that this feast is truly moving for me. It’s not just about the hundreds or the thousands of pilgrims who come yearly but it’s the faith, the joy and the smiles on the faces of these devotees that made me feel God is truly present amongst His people.
“Where is the king of the jews?”
God is everywhere but if I may dare say, He is in our land, in Cebu, the Philippines … particularly because we have our beloved Señor Santo Niño!
And like a precious child, with much pride, we love to carry Him in our arms. He made us feel the need to protect him, and regard Him as much as our very own child! How wonderful it is for God to make himself so small so we that we can come down to our knees and take Him into our arms.
What is also utterly moving is to see how much God wants to be King in a country where the people are very poor!
A lot of us , like the three magi, would seek the King of the Jews in the palaces of Kings… and yet how astonished they must have been to find him born in a humble manger.
If there’s a wavering of the Christian faith in the west it’s because in order to find God we need to be poor. For Christ Himself was poor. We are not just materially rich, but we are rich of ourselves.
We need to go out of our comfort zones like the three magi who set out to seek God. Perhaps too, we need to go back to this simplicity of a child in order to be receptive of God in the way He wants to manifest Himself in our lives ! The Epiphanie.
Indeed, in the current world like ours where there’s a constant struggle to reduce this feast to a mere secular and commercialised event and the pandemic that made it utterly impossible to celebrate this feast for the last two years. It’s also like the three magi who got lost track of the star for it was nowhere in sight. But when they saw the star again, they were filled with joy.
In the same way ,this year, God made us even more stronger so that we can only be forever grateful for all that He has done in our lives!
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Is 9:6
(For those who want, please check in Sinulog Cebu 2023. Basilica del Santo Niño).
Thank you for posting this video. I didn't realize it at first, but as I continued to listen to what you were saying, it occurred to me that this video is an answer to a prayer from earlier this morning. I'm not sure if that's an epiphany, but it is welcomed with gratitude.
Beautiful and stirring. Thank you, Bishop Barron. :)
You are God sent, Bishop Barron. Just for our information, the Gospel for this Sunday and for this part of the World has to do with the Baptism of Jesus by John.
I think this is the most beautiful homily I have ever heard! Thank you for your words! ❤
God Bless!
Thank you Bishop Barron... thank you for seeing the freshness (breakthroughs) of grace in the everyday, and tracing it back to the source. We wish you a strong beam of light in your ministry this 2023. God bless Bishop. God bless Word On Fire.
My Epiphany was knowing I had to come home to the Catholic Church, I had been Baptised as a four Yr old into the Catholic Church but then from the age of 15 I went through Evangelical churches, Pentecostal, Church of England and then home to Catholicism in 2020
one of my dearest epiphanies, was when Bishop Barron spoke of the trinity and Thomas Aquinas, at that moment I knew with all conviction that after wandering around without religion, I was going to be a catholic! After having said for years that I could not commit to any. Thank you Bishop Barron ❤
When th light behind all things suddenly shines forth with an intense radiance.
This man is so wonderful! I don't know if you have realized, but he has explained more than only Epiphany! He has explained what is prayer! Prayer is attentiveness! Focus on Jesus and God! I guess that the next time I'll pray my prayer will be much better! Thank you Monsignor Barron!
Your homilies are an epiphany as well. They put us in the presence of God. Thank you.
Love this.
THANK YOU!!!
Bonne Annee Bishop Baron!
You take my breath away listening to your special Epiphany moments!
I just wanted to say I am an avid biography reader and I read one called Shakespeare and Company about the American Sylvia Beach who opened this bookstore in Paris.
She also helped Joyce get his book Ulysses published.
So my second trip to Paris when walking with my friend I saw for the first time Shakespeare and Co bookstore and I had a breath gasping moment but not the Epiphany moment like you but close.
It was moved from the original location the new owner told me but it still made an impression on me!
Bishop Baron may you have many more Epiphany moments and bless you much!
Epiphany as "moment of grace, moment of breakthrough ", touched me differently. Thank you
"Move and act"! This is what I need the most in my life. Thank you, Bishop Barron! I will pray for you all my life.
Aah ha moments awaken God's light and life and love in us, both calling us back to Him and sending us forth bringing His Word into the world. Carrying this light, we change the world and calling us back to the source of all light and life and love, we both receive and return love to love and life to life at the same time.
Bishop Robert, you just gave clear explanation to my reversion experience at age 39 on April 16, 1998.
Amazingly accurate!
Bishop is like an epiphania to me. He inspires me everytime he speaks, man when i first heard bishop he blew me away. Thank you Bishop.
Me too
Then some people are very easily blown
@@rugg9214 idk about that, I heard him speak for the 1st time many years ago, he's a messenger from God, no kidding. You better clean the built up wax in those ears of yours. Haha.
Thank you Bishop Barron. I never tire of hearing you! God bless you. Yes, I have had Epiphanies and they leave an imprint upon my soul for sure. Thank you for reminding me to reflect on these and be grateful.
Thank you Bishop Barron for another great sermon.
Many years ago, I was awaiting my Internal medicine (post graduate) exam result. I was very worried at the time since many things depended on this result. I prayed the rosary continuously. In my dream that night, I had seen our blessed Mother. She said nothing to me, I was filled with so much joy just looking at her for a few moments. This feeling is similar to what one feels when you meet your loved one after a long long time; only that this feeling was more joyful and beautiful than I can describe. I said to myself; if this is what I feel when I am with our blessed Mother, then how much more wonderful would it be to stay with God and his saints forever.
I got my result the following day and I passed my exam.
Those not matured in the faith won't really understand and know until they are matured in faith enough to perceive these epiphanies.
Come, Holy Spirit, come renew our faith, hope and love. Ps 29:1, Mt 2:12
The Magi to Bethehem:
“But they were given a warning in a dream not to go back to Herod, and returned to their own country by a different way.”
😇Jesus, I love You!
I'm in tears! This is so beautiful and powerful, Bishop Barron! In your homilies, at some point, I always find something epiphanic, and this one is perhaps a great epiphany par excellence. This is the real encounter with the truth and the beauty that shines through your words is God himself. God bless you. My prayers from Brazil.
A beautiful homily, Bishop Barron. Thank you from a convert from atheism many years ago.
Thank you Bishop Barron, your sermon was so interesting. May GOD bless bless you abundantly ➕❤
Thank you for Sunday Sermon♥️😍🖐
Phew, that’s a BEAUTIFULLLL homily! ❤ Thank you Holy Spirit 🤍
Wonderful , Bishop Barron.
Praise God
So uplifting Bishop, God bless always...
God bless you, Bishop
Awesome as usual. Trust in the Divine Mercy of Jesus Christ
Gracias
Amen. So lovely! 🌻
Love Bob Dylan. " You gotta serve somebody, now it may be the Devil or it may be the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody " From the album, Slow Train Coming.
Amen. Thank you Bishop Barren for your ministry (non Catholic)