I own 3 sets of MP muscle back blade irons, MP-33, MP-37 and MP-69 .. they ARE the best in the world. Smooth as silk, soft as butter! .. absolutely the best irons on the planet.
Agree! I am 17 years old and I love my Mizuno Pro MS-801... It's a 1987 classic Blades and Looks Awesome to me... A preferred this than my Taylormade Burner and my friend's golf club(Modern Cavity back)
As a metallurgist I can say it’s not like wood grain. It’s not train flow unless it’s a wrought iron. Mild carbon steels are a granular structure like sand. What makes it refined is the annealing and normalising and heat treatment processes to make the grain size smaller. Smaller the structure the stronger the connection between the grains. The lower temperature forging work hardens or control stresses the steel, like bending a coat hanger til it snaps only controlled. What makes these clubs great is their steel choice and forging in general as well as the heat treatment processes, not wood like grain structure.
I was fitted and now own a set of MP-H4 3-PW irons (Jun '14); the first set of pro irons I've ever had. My old set of Taylormade Burner Plus 4-PW didn't conform to the new USGA groove specs. My game wasn't getting better and I decided it was time for a change. The first hits of my MPs on the range told me I had something special like nothing ever before. When I played them, I realized several things; the forgiving & hot-faced TM's had caused me to become lazy. So right off with the MPs, I was not generating enough clubhead speed to equal my TM iron distances (8-iron: 155-160 yds). I hit balls until I figured this out. Choking down a bit and rotating faster did the trick. I am working up to and almost back to where I was with the TMs. Now I am starting to feel how I can work the ball where with the TMs it would not be so easy. The MP-H4s are well made, feel solid and have literally made me a better player. I play to a 2.5 Hdcp and these clubs in time will get me on down a notch or two. I'm sure it will take me a season to really dial them in, but already after just 4 rounds, I am sold on the quality of these irons. Coincidentally, the swing adjustments that forced my iron swing-speed up have also improved my distance on the driver, 3-met & 3-brid. The pro fitting of the irons helped I'm sure. I appreciate what the Mizuno company has offered golfers and I am sure to be playing their clubs for a very long time.
Mizuno's H4 irons dropped my index 4 points in the last 18mo. I love Mizuno products and how everything they make is top of the line. Keep up the great work!!!
My first set of irons that I was fit for were the MP H4s and I haven't looked back. It was a a great feeling club the second I hit it. Right there I became a mizuno player for life. I've played ping and some TM but for me there is not better club than Mizuno
Looking for new irons, was thinking between some mizunos and some pings. My new resolution to avoid anything I can out of China now takes the pings out of the game. Love the craftsmanship from the old Japanese workforce!
I'm in the market for some new forged irons. I currently have Titleist forged irons and they are amazing! I have only had McGregor and Titleist irons. I'm wanting to try out other brands before I buy again since I keep irons for over a decade at a time and I want to see if there are any other brands that fit me better as a player. How do the Mizuno forged irons compare to the Titleist? Thank you for your time.
I absolutely love and will always love Mizuno blades simply the best nothing gives you such feel as they do. One thing I don't understand is how can you make them better if it's a forged piece of carbon steel (I'm talking blades)? Are mp 37's much different to say mp 5's
Design. The molds they use give a shape to the metal. That shape dictates the moment of inertia, turf interaction, ball flight, forgiveness. Plus they can apply layers of coatings to the iron (nickel, copper, etc.) to give new properties. That said, there probably isn't much of a difference between two generations of blades.
You should make Chris his own RUclips channel where we can just talk about every golf club and how it's made and it's features and comparing them, just for ages
What is the lightest headweight we can have made or that is offered to us. Question 2 are women’s and junior heads the same as adult heads just lighter? Smaller ? what’s the difference
@@mizunogolf1906 Well I keep telling everyone how good everything you make is. Very impressed with the ST190 woods. I'm now hitting it as far as I did 14 years ago. I'll settle for a brand new set of T Zoid T3 irons, there must be some somewhere which haven't been melted down. Don't forget the gap wedge.
More than 3 steps involved. They couldn't have the same volume of production and they would have to recruit guys who know how to actually forge metal. The guy that knows the most about forging here is the first guy who uses the first machine, which likely works with a pedal and is tricky to handle to apply the proper strike.
Miura irons are a much more precise forging. The craftsmanship is much more. Every clubhead is weighted and spec to perfection. You don't see any hand grinding in this video to make sure the weight is exact. Of course, Miura's are twice as expensive because they are completely hand made and it takes longer, less product. I do have to say though, now finally being able to afford a set of used Muira's, that I don't feel much difference than any of my old set of Mizuno's in feel. I just like knowing the effort and care it took to make my Miura's. Just buy your Miura's used and save yourself a ton of money.
Hmm - not sure we agree with all that. One of the reasons you don't see a lot of grinding at our Hiroshima plant is that our Grain Flow Forging process is very precise. Our older forgings requited more hand grinding because there was less control in the forging itself. We're also proud that we have no welding to the neck - which is a key part of the unique Mizuno feel.
Our initial billets are extruded not cast. This is the start of the grain alignment, then all subsequent processes are optimized to enhance further grain alignment.
David Oh Most of the world's steel is refined and made into goods (sheets, bars, billets etc) from a continuous casting process in steel mills. From there, you can use the steel goods and turn them into products. Casted club heads are made by melting the steel product again and the liquid steel is turned into solid steel in a mold. Forged club heads are made by squeezing heated solid steel into the mold. Forging process will give you tighter grains in the micro structure, go read it on wikipedia.
And conversely forging marble wouldn't work because you'd just be breaking up the crystal lattice. It's not very malleable. Forging is done on malleable materials as a stronger but usually more costly alternative to casting and milling.
If marble wasn't such a refractory material and we could actually melt it at reasonable temperatures, at other temperatures we might be able to forge it. But then it probably would cease to be marble 😅
This is not stamping. Did you see the shape of the billet, then the shape after that 3x pounding? Stamping mostly refers to shaping of sheet metal. You don't alter the grain density with stamping.
Good answer! Just got the new MP5's, without a doubt, the best feeling, and best looking irons I've ever had. I thought my 15's were good, these are in a different league. Well done.
Mizuno won't chase players at any level. Whether top amateurs or professionals Mizuno is more likely to deal with players who already play its equipment. Other brands have an increasingly aggressive approach - so there are fewer players to go around. Although there is still a very strong following of Mizuno equipment amongst top amateurs.
Looks like a factory though. 3 steps for forging is not much. Katana forging is more like folding the metal into layer after layer of compressed steel. Of course back then the quality of the metal was less than it is today, so maybe the result is the same....
Mizuno makes some of the best looking clubs out there but come on, a golf club is a piece of metal. Nobody can feel the grain flow or structure of a golf club. It’s a piece of metal at the end of a stick. This whole forging vs casting is pure marketing.
Nope. Forging actually rearranges the structure of the metal along its shape, while casting distributes the metal structure evenly depending on the quality of the cooling. You will have more difficulties to produce a quality metal knife that is soft and elastic at its core, while hard and potentially sharp at its edge, though casting. You are better off forging it. Humanity wouldn't have entertained both techniques for millenia, and into the modern age, if they didn't have distinct advantages/drawbacks that make the choice relevant.
PING Baby. If Mizunos so good, how come almost no players use them on PGA?. I went to a top amateur tourney, no Mizunos, Not one set and I checked all. So dont give me the "we dont pay execuse"!!!. Fact is all the top brands PING/Titleist/Taylormade,,,,all the same!.
Mizuno doesn't just give clubs out at the professional level like other brands. As stated above, you have to already be playing Mizuno clubs for them to look at you. I have a buddy who is a pro. He plays Mizuno, but he had to pull a lot of strings to get them as a sponsor. They will not just let anyone play their equipment.
There is a lot more at play when it comes to why a brand is or isn't present at a particular event or association and trust me, whether they're there or not is not synonymous with quality lol.
Mizuno is a "small" brand that still belongs to the founders family. They simply pay less than other companys, that are big enough themselves (Nike, Wilson, Titleist, PING) or that have a huge brand behind them(Adams and Taylormade - Adidas. Titleist sponsors a lot of young guys and is the most used brand on tour(longest staff list), Mizuno just doesnt do that. On top amateur level, you can ask anybody, Mizuno is on top of the list of a majority of the guys that are not sponsored by somebody else. What I said here is actually mostly true for their irons, not their other clubs
+majorsmythe1 because as a market strategi. would you pay lots of millions to put a face on your product. or would you let the product speak for itself and get loads of amateur golfers buy it? its smart. all the other companys make loads of money but spend loads. Mizuno spend a little and make loads (and i find that smart)
Tiger woods used mizunos as an amateur and early pro years, the only reason he used Nike was money,money and more money. Pretty sure the clubs the pros aren’t forged on the same assembly line as the clubs we use.
Probably the best golf club manufacturer ever.
I own 3 sets of MP muscle back blade irons, MP-33, MP-37 and MP-69 .. they ARE the best in the world. Smooth as silk, soft as butter! .. absolutely the best irons on the planet.
Agree! I am 17 years old and I love my Mizuno Pro MS-801... It's a 1987 classic Blades and Looks Awesome to me... A preferred this than my Taylormade Burner and my friend's golf club(Modern Cavity back)
Thanks for all the comments. Hope this puts the forged irons you play in a different light.
As a metallurgist I can say it’s not like wood grain. It’s not train flow unless it’s a wrought iron. Mild carbon steels are a granular structure like sand. What makes it refined is the annealing and normalising and heat treatment processes to make the grain size smaller. Smaller the structure the stronger the connection between the grains. The lower temperature forging work hardens or control stresses the steel, like bending a coat hanger til it snaps only controlled. What makes these clubs great is their steel choice and forging in general as well as the heat treatment processes, not wood like grain structure.
You guys sure do know how to make a good product video. Chris Voshall is always great to listen to.
I watched Chris doing Mizuno so long , when you say Mizuno I think of this guy , his knowledge is incredible
Man, almost a decade now and I feel so proud to play a set of Mizuno. What a meticulous process.
I was fitted and now own a set of MP-H4 3-PW irons (Jun '14); the first set of pro irons I've ever had. My old set of Taylormade Burner Plus 4-PW didn't conform to the new USGA groove specs. My game wasn't getting better and I decided it was time for a change. The first hits of my MPs on the range told me I had something special like nothing ever before. When I played them, I realized several things; the forgiving & hot-faced TM's had caused me to become lazy. So right off with the MPs, I was not generating enough clubhead speed to equal my TM iron distances (8-iron: 155-160 yds). I hit balls until I figured this out. Choking down a bit and rotating faster did the trick. I am working up to and almost back to where I was with the TMs. Now I am starting to feel how I can work the ball where with the TMs it would not be so easy. The MP-H4s are well made, feel solid and have literally made me a better player. I play to a 2.5 Hdcp and these clubs in time will get me on down a notch or two. I'm sure it will take me a season to really dial them in, but already after just 4 rounds, I am sold on the quality of these irons. Coincidentally, the swing adjustments that forced my iron swing-speed up have also improved my distance on the driver, 3-met & 3-brid. The pro fitting of the irons helped I'm sure. I appreciate what the Mizuno company has offered golfers and I am sure to be playing their clubs for a very long time.
penprick what’s clubs are you playing now? And what’s your HC
Cool video bought a set of MP5 neat to see how they are made! Great job Mizuno and staff keep it up!
Mizuno has made the best muscle back forged blades in the world for at least the past 40 years.
I have a set of the MP-64 so it was really nice to see the full process of making them!
You got any idea what the 4 digit number is for the metals? Like what the hell is 1025E?
Mizuno...it's a winner thing! Two thumbs way up Mizuno!
a lot of pride in that manufacturing process.
Getting fitted for my first set of mizuno's.. I. Cannot. Wait!
Mizuno's H4 irons dropped my index 4 points in the last 18mo. I love Mizuno products and how everything they make is top of the line. Keep up the great work!!!
My first set of irons that I was fit for were the MP H4s and I haven't looked back. It was a a great feeling club the second I hit it. Right there I became a mizuno player for life. I've played ping and some TM but for me there is not better club than Mizuno
Looking for new irons, was thinking between some mizunos and some pings. My new resolution to avoid anything I can out of China now takes the pings out of the game. Love the craftsmanship from the old Japanese workforce!
They can build a factory that does a 3 steps forging process in China too. This is a rather simple factory line.
I'm in the market for some new forged irons. I currently have Titleist forged irons and they are amazing! I have only had McGregor and Titleist irons. I'm wanting to try out other brands before I buy again since I keep irons for over a decade at a time and I want to see if there are any other brands that fit me better as a player. How do the Mizuno forged irons compare to the Titleist? Thank you for your time.
I absolutely love and will always love Mizuno blades simply the best nothing gives you such feel as they do. One thing I don't understand is how can you make them better if it's a forged piece of carbon steel (I'm talking blades)? Are mp 37's much different to say mp 5's
Design. The molds they use give a shape to the metal. That shape dictates the moment of inertia, turf interaction, ball flight, forgiveness. Plus they can apply layers of coatings to the iron (nickel, copper, etc.) to give new properties.
That said, there probably isn't much of a difference between two generations of blades.
I have mp64 they are best clubs ever:) before I had titleist ap2 great clubs too but mizuno 👍😘
You should make Chris his own RUclips channel where we can just talk about every golf club and how it's made and it's features and comparing them, just for ages
My MX200's are still beautiful and play perfect.
Starting to really appreciate forged clubs
What is the lightest headweight we can have made or that is offered to us. Question 2 are women’s and junior heads the same as adult heads just lighter? Smaller ? what’s the difference
WE don't currently build junior sets. We do have 2 headweights in every model to cover various custom needs - including ladies.
Gorgeous video
MB20 will be my next set
Safety glasses, please -- Safety First -- haha -- (waiting on my custom order of MP-20 HMBs and I am very excited) - just sold my JPX-921 HMPs
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Are the faces just double nickel plated or do the faces receive the chrome as well?
Entire clubhead has the same plating.
I'm not sponsored either but have played Mizuno since 1991. I must be owed a free set or a tour of the factory by now! lol
Same here .. I have played 3 different models of their MP series muscle back blades. Best clubs ever made.
We couldn't risk you building your own forging plant and copying our secret techniques.
@@mizunogolf1906 Well I keep telling everyone how good everything you make is. Very impressed with the ST190 woods. I'm now hitting it as far as I did 14 years ago. I'll settle for a brand new set of T Zoid T3 irons, there must be some somewhere which haven't been melted down. Don't forget the gap wedge.
Have you ever forged a Damascus line of irons?
More than 3 steps involved. They couldn't have the same volume of production and they would have to recruit guys who know how to actually forge metal. The guy that knows the most about forging here is the first guy who uses the first machine, which likely works with a pedal and is tricky to handle to apply the proper strike.
I love mizuno!
Miura irons are a much more precise forging. The craftsmanship is much more. Every clubhead is weighted and spec to perfection. You don't see any hand grinding in this video to make sure the weight is exact. Of course, Miura's are twice as expensive because they are completely hand made and it takes longer, less product. I do have to say though, now finally being able to afford a set of used Muira's, that I don't feel much difference than any of my old set of Mizuno's in feel. I just like knowing the effort and care it took to make my Miura's. Just buy your Miura's used and save yourself a ton of money.
Hmm - not sure we agree with all that. One of the reasons you don't see a lot of grinding at our Hiroshima plant is that our Grain Flow Forging process is very precise. Our older forgings requited more hand grinding because there was less control in the forging itself. We're also proud that we have no welding to the neck - which is a key part of the unique Mizuno feel.
How do they make the bars of steel? They melt the steel and cast it. The original material is cast is it not?
Our initial billets are extruded not cast. This is the start of the grain alignment, then all subsequent processes are optimized to enhance further grain alignment.
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But it's extruded from a molten state.
David Oh Most of the world's steel is refined and made into goods (sheets, bars, billets etc) from a continuous casting process in steel mills. From there, you can use the steel goods and turn them into products. Casted club heads are made by melting the steel product again and the liquid steel is turned into solid steel in a mold. Forged club heads are made by squeezing heated solid steel into the mold. Forging process will give you tighter grains in the micro structure, go read it on wikipedia.
wenli18 So you admit all steel is cast.
+David Oh lol go read a textbook.
And conversely forging marble wouldn't work because you'd just be breaking up the crystal lattice. It's not very malleable. Forging is done on malleable materials as a stronger but usually more costly alternative to casting and milling.
If marble wasn't such a refractory material and we could actually melt it at reasonable temperatures, at other temperatures we might be able to forge it. But then it probably would cease to be marble 😅
This is not stamping. Did you see the shape of the billet, then the shape after that 3x pounding? Stamping mostly refers to shaping of sheet metal. You don't alter the grain density with stamping.
Stamping can shape sheet metal and a bar of metal. You just saw it in the video (obviously, 7 years ago 😅)
Why are you walking round a forging factory Chris with a golf glove in your back pocket????
+TherymasterWidnes he's a true golf enthusiast. Just missing a tee behind the ear.
Good answer! Just got the new MP5's, without a doubt, the best feeling, and best looking irons I've ever had. I thought my 15's were good, these are in a different league. Well done.
Mizuno won't chase players at any level. Whether top amateurs or professionals Mizuno is more likely to deal with players who already play its equipment. Other brands have an increasingly aggressive approach - so there are fewer players to go around. Although there is still a very strong following of Mizuno equipment amongst top amateurs.
Just Koepka 😀
Stuart Murray he’s not sponsored by Mizuno but he does use their clubs and has won 3 majors with them.
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That is not drop forging it is stamping.
Feels like forging samurai swords.
Looks like a factory though. 3 steps for forging is not much. Katana forging is more like folding the metal into layer after layer of compressed steel. Of course back then the quality of the metal was less than it is today, so maybe the result is the same....
mild steel with a very low carbon content = mild carbon steel or mild steel, or very low carbon steel.
I didn't think porn was allowed on RUclips.
Mizuno makes some of the best looking clubs out there but come on, a golf club is a piece of metal. Nobody can feel the grain flow or structure of a golf club. It’s a piece of metal at the end of a stick. This whole forging vs casting is pure marketing.
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Nope. Forging actually rearranges the structure of the metal along its shape, while casting distributes the metal structure evenly depending on the quality of the cooling. You will have more difficulties to produce a quality metal knife that is soft and elastic at its core, while hard and potentially sharp at its edge, though casting. You are better off forging it. Humanity wouldn't have entertained both techniques for millenia, and into the modern age, if they didn't have distinct advantages/drawbacks that make the choice relevant.
I WANT :)
I beat this guy in golf a bunch of times.
PING Baby. If Mizunos so good, how come almost no players use them on PGA?. I went to a top amateur tourney, no Mizunos, Not one set and I checked all. So dont give me the "we dont pay execuse"!!!. Fact is all the top brands PING/Titleist/Taylormade,,,,all the same!.
Mizuno doesn't just give clubs out at the professional level like other brands. As stated above, you have to already be playing Mizuno clubs for them to look at you. I have a buddy who is a pro. He plays Mizuno, but he had to pull a lot of strings to get them as a sponsor. They will not just let anyone play their equipment.
There is a lot more at play when it comes to why a brand is or isn't present at a particular event or association and trust me, whether they're there or not is not synonymous with quality lol.
Mizuno is a "small" brand that still belongs to the founders family. They simply pay less than other companys, that are big enough themselves (Nike, Wilson, Titleist, PING) or that have a huge brand behind them(Adams and Taylormade - Adidas. Titleist sponsors a lot of young guys and is the most used brand on tour(longest staff list), Mizuno just doesnt do that. On top amateur level, you can ask anybody, Mizuno is on top of the list of a majority of the guys that are not sponsored by somebody else.
What I said here is actually mostly true for their irons, not their other clubs
+majorsmythe1 because as a market strategi. would you pay lots of millions to put a face on your product. or would you let the product speak for itself and get loads of amateur golfers buy it? its smart. all the other companys make loads of money but spend loads. Mizuno spend a little and make loads (and i find that smart)
Tiger woods used mizunos as an amateur and early pro years, the only reason he used Nike was money,money and more money. Pretty sure the clubs the pros aren’t forged on the same assembly line as the clubs we use.