"Tall Tales" on the Used Market (I Fell For This One)
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📚Description: Stories run rampant on the guitar market and it is important to critically think about every tale you get told when you buy a guitar as unfortunately most tales get stretched too far over the years from the telephone game. Tonight we look at a "2013 Custom Order Les Paul" that turned out to be something entirely different. We also take a look at a few other fun things!
🐕 Episode Guide:
0:00 Intro - Check Links in the Description
0:11 A Custom Made Les Paul Standard
1:30 Buyer Beware!
2:46 What Is It Actually?
5:22 Gibson Flying V ’67 Bigsby
8:06 Beware Email Scammers
9:47 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Elegant
10:56 Gibson Les Paul Class 5 Quilted Root Beer
12:48 What to Watch Next!
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2:41 2016 Gibson "Sunken Treasure" Les Paul Standard Bullet Wood
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2:48 1997 Gibson Les Paul Elegant Natural Flame Top
• Now That's What I Call...
2:56 1996 Gibson Les Paul Florentine Diamond Sparkle Series Red
• I Didn't Know About TH...
3:04 1998 Gibson Les Paul Catalina Ebony
• I Didn't Think This Co...
4:08 1993 Gibson 1959 R9 Reissue First Year Custom Shop Edition
• The Guitar That Starte...
5:05 2013 Gibson Les Paul Custom Silverburst
• My First Gibson Guitar...
7:53 2015 Gibson Custom Joe Bonamassa Bonabyrd Pelham Blue
• A Les Paul With a FIRE...
9:42 Trogly's Guitar Unboxing + Boxing Vlog 39
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11:44 2001 Gibson Les Paul Custom Shop Standard Quilt Top Class 5 Bourbon Burst
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In 2003 I bought a black, 3 p/u 1958 Les Paul Custom from a woman who inherited the guitar from her brother. She said he purchased the guitar in Los Angeles in the early 1970's when he lived there. The story he told was that he was paying for the guitar at the counter when Jackson Browne came in mid-transaction and claimed that the guitar was on-hold for him and he couldn't buy it. Her brother said "Sorry Jack, I already bought it." Thanked the person ringing him up and left with the guitar".
Your Steinway Grand Piano story makes me wonder if the 3 Nigerian Princes I've been helping should concern me.
nah all g.
they told me to tell you to not worry about it.
.....wait?
I am the Nigerian king, you can kindly help me instead, the princes are not being honest with their payments to me. Let’s cut out the middlemen.
As it's a federal republic. Yes.
don't worry...just keep up the payments......
My Les Paul story, Hi, i lived in Brisbane, Aus at the time and was looking to buy my first les paul. i went to cash converters a secondhand store to check what they had for sale re-guitars frequently. one particular day i went to the same store and they had like 12 brand new gibsons, all les paul standards, all 2007 chambered light ones, some nice tops. they were asking 1200 a guitar.... btw this was in 2007. Les pauls in aus in 2007 were approx 3500/5000 aus. i said yep ill take this one. the manager said yep ill wrap it up for you??? i thought, na i want the gibson case, in which she replyed, ill just go and get you a generic one....anyway i said 'can you hold it till tomorrow pls, she agreed. i went home and did some phone calling and rang edwardos music and told them about the 12 les pauls, it turned out they were all stolen. the manager of edwardos music contacted their rep from gibson, and he called me and i ended up with a beautiful 2006 non chambered aa+ top for cost price, and i solved the case of the missing les pauls. the manager of the secondhand store was in on it and got busted.
Great story
You just happened to call the right shop for no reason. Rubbish.
@@ChrisShortyAllen they never said it was stolen from that shop. It may have been stolen from another place.
haha...Aussie.....classic.....cheers.....quick bucks are very desired....
@@ChrisShortyAllen They were all stolen from allans music, Brisbane, but most music retailers were on the lookout, i myself did not know they were hot.
About 1984 I attended a civil war reenactment in Cumbria. Camping for a night. We went to a beer tent. Amazingly Roy Harper and Jimmy Page turned up with acoustic guitars. Crowd of 20.
This dude I used to tattoo back in the day once gave me a guitar he said was signed by the whole band of Aerosmith. He said he worked security for them once in Japan in 1998 and "Tokyo 98" is also written on the guitar. I just threw it
In a closet and kept it for a few years before I got curious and took it out and wanted to look up the signatures to see if anything online matched up to the signatures. After looking them up online I'm pretty certain that Aerosmith did not sign this guitar.😂
Believe it or not, this past September, my buddy calls me up to ask me if I want a guitar and amp that his neighbor had cleared from her basement and was going to leave on the curb as free stuff.
Can you believe someone was throwing away a 2002 Gibson SG Faded with Crescent Moon inlays on an ebony fretboard? Best freakin' day I've had in a long time, let me tell you!
P.S. The amp was a non-functioning Fender Frontman 212R that needed 2 points on the board re-soldered, which I did so that was just icing on the cake!
Was a good day for you !
Oh wow! I'll take the SG, I'll pay you for the shipping 🤣
under the pick guard of the stratocaster i made i left a note telling the story of how it came to be. i wanted a hard tail strat with a thick maple top and mahogany back and no one made a body like that so i did it myself, i copied the contours of a 59 i had studied. and it turned out great! ive ben playing it for over 20yrs now. i figured if it's around in 200 years the info might come in handy? the wood was collected from broken antique furniture that was hundreds of years old to start with. that idea payed off because its a light super resonant guitar. 6 pounds 12oz..the hardware and electronic are all vintage fender. the note explains the details pretty well. ive also left notes in a few partscasters ive made. i think it was a good idea? do you? would you be happy to find a secret note in your old guitar?
I bought a Martin 000-28 from the original owner that was a retirement present after he worked there for 20 years. That guitar was more of a cannon than any D style Martin I've played and the story was backed up by a picture of him receiving it from Chris Martin and his name on the label as if it were a signature model. Sometimes it pays off to live near a manufacturer
That sliced and spliced V headstock is nuts. The headstock veneer hides the sins.
I’m gonna have to come back for some stories!
My story, in the 80s Charvel was the new, big thing for metal heads. I saw an ad with 3 different models all featuring "Fire Crackle" paint and fell in love with the Model 3DR. Fast forward a year and an ad in the local paper says Charvel guitar $150. I call the guy, he still has it and it comes with a Charvel branded tweed case. I don't even try it because it's the Fire Crackle 3DR. I check the neck, pay the man and never looked back. Just took it for a spin tonight. 35 years later and I still have it.
I bought my ‘88 Fire Crackle in ‘96 for $350. It had a humbucker hacked into the neck position. The guy said they were Seymour Duncans, but without logos I figured they weren’t. First thing I did was buy EMG’s for it. The Duncans had more balls! Anyway, still have it. As you’ve probably noticed, they have gone up significantly in the last 3 1/2 years. 😎🤘
That whole discription on the first guitar screamed CON GAME. Anytime I see anything like that, I close the tab . . . As Hannibal Lecter described it, "The overelaboration of a bad liar."
I have the Gibson Goldtop "All Gold" Gold Les Paul , " Guitar was built for a well know national artist in the early '90s and stamped "Promotional Not for Sale" on headstock. I am not at liberty to disclose the artist from whom I purchased it (condition of my purchase from him). " I asked the seller over several back and forth messages and he gave me a hint " Neal Schon" ... IDK
I have beautiful and mint 1994 TV Yellow Les Paul Special. According to the serial # search it is a "Custom Shop". The weird thing is it is loaded with Seymour Duncan humbuckers, a JB Bridge and 59 neck. I bought it in 1997 from the original owner who said he ordered it that way from Gibson, and that they almost always come with P-90's. So, just for shits and giggles I took it to our local shop with a well known luthier who took it a part and said the job was so good that it really could be custom from Gibson, but he had no way to verify it. So, I'm hoping one day I will be able to verify from Gibson, he said, "good luck with that!"
Who knows if it’s custom, but Gibson definitely made Les Paul Specials with humbuckers in that era
If it's from the factory the pickup cavities will be painted. If it's a home mod then 99.99% chance they did not take the time to color match and paint the holes.
My 1st guitar was an Ibanez JS700. I was told it was signed and they gave them away at shows and signed after Satriani played it. I got to meet him, and he confirmed that was his signature and where it likely came from. It sadly does not increase the value, but it is cool. He also said they got set up and some fretwork by the Hollywood shop, so that explains why it played nice. Too bad it needs new frets after 30 years.
My best guitar story is about a guitar made of aluminum that I bought as salvage off a friend for 100 bucks who was moving. It was ugly as heck, missing knobs and tuners.
20 years later they invented the enternets and I decided to see what pickups were in this odd guitar. Turns out it was Veleno number 71. The first black one. A super rare guitar that only had 200 made. Owned by guys like Ace, Duane Allmen and Sonny and Cher! The pickups were actually Gibson T-tops made for SGs (no metal mesh around the wires).
I ended up selling the guitar to Vincent Gallo for thousands of dollars.
Btw, it sucks as a guitar. The neck is like a butter knife. Everything is made of aluminum - even the fret board. You don't know what neck dive is until you try a veleno.
Rock on.
My story... a buddy found a 57 Les Paul Jr. In his parents attic. It was in one of those cardboard cases. This was in 1972. I was 12... First guitar I ever played. Played it through a Fender reverb amp. It was the usual dark burst color, but after new strings, it played beautifully. We lived in Atlanta. I can't find the episode, but my buddy told me he sold it for $4600 about 5 or 6 years ago on that Auction Kings TV show. His grandfather had bought it new for my friend's mother, and she never played it. The "case" was trash. My buddy died a couple years ago and I still can't find that episode. Anybody ever seen it ?
I can't find it for free anywhere to check for certain but I looked up the show and S3 E12's description says they purchase a 50s Gibson Les Paul
It's so nice of you to share these kind of scamming methods. Even though we've gotten a lot more used to (and repellent) of scammers, sometimes they hit us with the right amount of ethos, and then we're down maybe $500.
So thank you for enlightening the issue! :)
And please make a be-bunking video!
Well I got the it's a CS from Fender and it's a Mary Kay all Original. Well after looking at it I said nah I don't think so fortunately I know the guy so he let me take it to Fender which is down the street from me here in Corona and they set the record straight it was a Partscaster with Mary Kaye bits and pieces.
So many elegants popping up on reverb!
I’m currently trying to sell a few guitars in the UK for a very good friend of mine who moved away to live in Thailand several years ago. He left a whole load of gear in a lockup and I have the key! There are a few amps and vintage effects and some recording gear, as well as guitars. The best of them includes a couple of nice Les Paul Goldtops from the 70s, a 67 Tele with factory Bigsby and a very nice 2000 ES335 (the latter two now sold). I ended up rescuing them from the lockup and bringing them home with me, because the metalwork was starting to tarnish where they were. The one he’s really keen for me to sell is a 1969/70 Les Paul Deluxe Goldtop - a guitars from an era where apparently it’s notoriously hard to date definitively. The serial number isn’t especially helpful, nor are the pot codes, since most of the serial numbers on them are obscured by soldier. It’s a nice guitar, which plays beautifully and sounds great, but I’m pretty sure it’s a refinish. The gold top on it seems rather pale and the back of the body and the neck appears to have been oversprayed with some kind of dark lacquer. Hard to see what it might be hiding but, even under blacklight, I can’t see any neck breaks. The rest of it seems to be all-original and as far as I can tell from all the researches I’ve done online. It all comes back to late 1969 or 1970, but as I say, I really can’t say for sure. I’ve been advertising it as such and getting all sorts of sceptical comments from people, because obviously, I’m asking a price that isn’t peanuts - although it’s a whole lot less than the 69 gold top I came across a few weeks ago when l visited Carter Vintage in Nashville. My problem is that my friend really needs to sell it, but I’m struggling to give an honest and 100% accurate description to potential buyers. I certainly don’t want to sell them something that isn’t what I’m claiming it is! So by all means be cautious when looking at stuff, but equally, please don’t always assume every seller is dishonest.
You still selling? Is there a link to reverb/FB etc?
@@theo4312 don’t think YT will allow me to post a link, but it’s on FB Marketplace in the UK.
Excellent, yes sometimes people don't actually 'know what they got' or are willing to bluff until someone educates them.
~5:00 IMO you're describing a "Special Order" to retrieve a non-stocked catalog item and "custom order" should rightly be reserved for bespoke commissioning of a new instrument to non-catalog specifications from the factory (i.e. not from Ed Roman)
You should try a 1966 Wilshire
I own an old ass Alvarez acoustic
I’m not really sure how much it’s supposed to be going for nor how much it went for, however I got it from an old family friend (friend of mine from high school’s mother, who’s also a friend of mine now) as she no longer played after her college days, since she had to take a guitar class for her music education degree. so now, two, two and a half decades later, it’s mine. it’s the only guitar that beats me in age, and even tho it’s some kind of production model & not some crazy ass custom model it’s still great
I love the open book headstock on the V. I was Always interested in Albert King, he's one of the Greats, but his Flying V puzzled me because of the headstock, I never researched it further than the year. Thanks Trogly, your videos are amazing. 🎸
I play a LP Special, P90s, can't keep my hands off of it!
If I thought I could get this so-called widow to divulge her home address, I would insist on having it so I could try getting to the location in person and finding out if there was something legitimate to the scam regarding the Steinway. It would be the best way to call her bluff.
Okay, we've seen the Flying V with a traditional open book Gibson headstock, and we have seen a Les Paul with the Explorer - inspired hockey stick headstock. Now, how about an LP with the Flying V headstock?
That class 5 quilt was stunning 👏👍🤘
I don’t have a guitar story but I do have a guitarist story that I haven’t been able to verify. My band has played in many different states and counties. We were playing in Riverside Ca and we met a guy going by Doc Fret! He asked us to back him in a contest so we practiced a couple times and played the gig. The thing is, he told use he was Joe Walsh’s cousin and how Joe had stolen some of his riffs! I was never able to verify this and he moved to the coast and I never saw him again.
My story... Knew a guy in my teenage years who was convinced that the finish on a Silver Burst Les Paul Custom made it sound different than all other Les Paul's because.... get this... "the way the paint ages". He's not even a dumb guy, but thought paint somehow affected how an electric guitar sounds.
Pretty sure I remember Adam Jones making the same claim in Guitar World or one of those magazines when Tool first got big.
i do know that the finish affects the tone on old acoustic stringed instruments and that as the lacquer ages and checks it allows the wood to resonate better and dose not choke the instrument the way a thick soft finish would. people who own 50s gibsons swear that it has the same affect, and it might idk their are alot of variables to take into account.
12:12 about the best story: Back in 2020, a good friend of mine sold me a 2003 ESP KH3 Spider Custom Shop. He, as a 2nd owner, told me an interesting story: It was originally in a brand newly opened music shop in Berlin, whitch was the importer of ESP for Germany back then. Metallica played in Berlin on that very same day (June 7th, '03). So, the legend goes, that Kirk Hammett himself appeared at the store's opening and played that very same guitar. Unfortunately, there's no way of confirming this, as there's no photos or written documentation of him actually playing it, so my friend just told me a story and said "choose whatever you wanna believe". I think that the story's fake, cause if he played it, he probably would've signed and date it. But again, there's no way of confirming or denying it.
I commented on that LP with the tribal flames before. That thing is so sick.
I deal in exclusively vintage keyboard and piano repair and sales-those shipping scams are the top type in my market lol
Never bothered to check into this story but I purchased a parts guitar and I was told it was built for that dudes kid by EVHs tech. The guitar are like $250 if I remember. It was a cool Ibanez Roadstar body with a CBS style strat headstock. So weird to get a story for a cheap beater.
I bought a Washburn "Eagle" Wing and the sales guy told me it belonged to Lee Aaron's guitar player and had been in a couple of their videos. That guitar was stolen in the mid 90's and I'd like to have it back, please.
I bought an"84" Gibson explorer when I was like 16. It was chopped up & found in a dumpster and some guy glued it back together. I think its a hammer though. The stamped serial number might come up as a gibson but I cant remember atm.
I have a bass that I bought with the unconfirmed story it was owned by Prince...the seller swore to it
I know a guy with a studio and he has a big purple couch from Prince's Toronto house.
I bet there’s a way to verify that if you contact a Prince historian or the bass company who may have given/sold it to him. There might be records with a serial number attached.
@@MashaT22 I tried exactly one time. No response. I am not a huge prince fan and I am just enjoying it
Apparently the fender bassman pyramid cabinet I bought from a small studio was Steve Miller's bassist personal cab he brought on the 76-77 tour, when they changed over in New York for the 77-78 tour they dumped the gear and got new gear and the guy happened to be there and got the cabinet after following the tour bus to the music store.
This is actually the story the guy told me when I picked the cabinet up, I am not joking or making fun or anything. The guy seemed like a typical rock guy but also was knowledgeable with studio stuff and the hardcore/NYC scene here which he was part of.
I have no idea if it is true, It does seem like they used similar cabinets but without proof....
very imformative video on some out of the ordinary guitars. some nice some kinda out there. thanks for sharing
Les Paul junior from 1956, just bought it. Store said they got it from an estate sale. But it’s been played and sounds killer. So I feel this must be true.
I worked in a music store (instruments) in high school and college (1990s). Guitar stories mostly have a kernel of truth. It’s violin stories that are the real bs. It seems like one of five people over the age of 30 in Berkeley, CA had Stradivarius in their grandmas attic. It turns out that most student and intermediate violins made in the 20th century have a Stradivarius label. People would come in with grandma’s violin and when I told them that it was a good student violin, and I’d gladly buy it from them for $500-$1000, they’d lose their minds.
There were also a lot of “vintage” guitars. Especially LPs. Seems like they were all 1959s until you found a short neck tenon or pot codes from the 70s and 80s. So, I have to think about stories, but there’s a few things to chew on.
He guys. Is there a site where people talk about the custom and demo shop guitars? I was thinking of there was something that I didn’t get a chance to grab something where you could get a second chance on the secondary market, or vice-a-versa
What a surprise!! Another Trogly Gibson Show Episode!
Fender Britney Spears Toxic Stratocaster
Taylor Swift feminist model banjo. It has no strings attached and doesn’t need a man to play itself….
Thanks Trog, that’s a great heads up on the Scammer Alert. Love the Show.
Nice show tonight
Was just looking at a Les Paul that the guy was asking $3800 saying it had the whole neck replaced. But the pictures showed what looked a headstock break that was repaired. Also claimed it was replaced at an authorized Gibson repair shop. It's supposed to be a custom. I definitely got one for you. Trogley. In the 70s i knew a few people that had bought a Stratocaster style Drifter. They claimed it was as good and or some cases better than the real deal. These people also wouldn't let anybody touch these to try them. So its one of the times I can I was not able to find out one way or another if their claims were true.
Um, the year 2000 is the last year of the 90’s. Just saying, that’s how years work.
Back in '74 or so I bought a used white SG Custom from 1962 that looked well used. I even sent the serial number to Gibson and had a letter confirming it. Unfortunately the neck was trash and couldn't be adjusted to be straight. I needed a playable guitar and I was a stupid college kid, so after much bitching about it they agreed to give me my money back.
Wait... you mean I'm not getting a piano and I'm out a thousand bucks??? Grrr, I hate when stuff like this happens.
Eh not a fan of the LP headstock on the V but seeing it I think I may need a black V one of these days :)
It never ceases to amaze me how some people (and I use the term people loosely) have no conscience!
I'm sure you're right about the piano being a scam, however I can see how someone might get fooled, considering pianos are notoriously hard to move. I know of 4 different pianos firsthand that were thousands of dollars, and given away to whomever had the truck to come get it.
Like old organs. Unless they have a tube amp in side they have negative value.
A guy on the street in Kensington Philadelphia was selling a Mickey Mouse model Disney guitar he swore Jesus played crossroads on at the sermon on the mount and at the last supper… $5.00. I got him down to $2.00 and wouldn’t you know it was a reproduction.
The piano scam works as frequently pianos are free to those that will collect. My father got a brown German made baby grand that way… and he in turn gave it away when he didn’t have to the room for it.
A Steinway? Very doubtful, but an upright piano? Sure
Bought a Tele Thinline from an old a pro guitarist who'd retired to selling real estate. He told me he was a well known Western Swing artist had I heard of him. Tho I liked western swing I hadn't heard of him so I just nodded politely. A few years later I sold it cause at the time I wasn't into playing Tele and went over to Lester. Only years later did I find out the guy was legit WS artist, Les "Carrot-top" Anderson. Should have kept his Tele, not for resale just cause I like western swing and got to like Tele tones more as I got older, and a great keepsake.
Love to see that Senior.
No real guitar stories, but I like that Lonnie Mack/Albert king flying V. If I do another kit build, it will probably be one of those.
Love the show longtime viewer.
Bigsby on a flying V should be a crime
Yo
Let’s go!!
Ngl I wouldn’t be surprised if the Steinway isn’t a scam. From someone who’s moved too many pianos people give em away for free all the time. It’s incredibly hard to sell a piano and most the time not worth the cost of moving it. Imagine if your 50,000$ les Paul took up your whole living room😂
Hey Trog, A guy I used to be good friends with owns one of those white Les Paul Artisans that are so super-rare. He was the lead guitarist in Maria Brink's first band, Pulse. He told me the purchase was made possible through Sharon Osbourne, but I don't know the details.
A few years after the band split up, he also had close to the same accident as Tony Iommi did but with two fingers of his picking hand, and chose not to pursue a career in music, instead ending up owning and operating a tanning salon. I haven't spoken to him in a while, but I believe he most likely still has the Artisan, that lucky bastard.
Yooooo what happened 50000 what????!!
Evening Troglodytes!!! I don't have any stories, I've bought all my guitars new from reputable dealers. The main reason being i had to finance them lol.
There's that "doofy" word, again.
A "special order" and a "custom order" are completely different. One of many reasons why I disregard so much of the stuff I read in seller descriptions (except for technical specs). Save yourself the trouble and keep it basic. An absurd spiel or paragraphs of hyperbole and non-descriptive gibberish ("vintage tone") doesn't increase the price I'm willing to pay.
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All he said was the inlays but said every detail was custom. So right away he was talking poo-poo. That was an easy listing to skip over.
Honestly that open book headstock on the V looks disgusting. I hate everything about it.
Trogly in the house
Lonnie Mack...? Money Lack ! Thanky Trogly !
So tired of seeing the split veneer, totally not on a custom shop ,visual takeaway 9th grade wood shop, sorry
Mine is the Ltd Edition Korina 76 explorer I got in 1991 that is definately Korina and I did assess a number of the Korina 3pc bodies were released early but the wood was not the best so it all went mahogany after that if always been told its mahogany by the keyboard warriors who's never seen it