Dragon Age: Inquisition - Flemeth Cameo (Kieran/Dark Ritual performed)
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I love how Morrigan changed over the game. She cares for her son now rather than using him as a tool. The scene made me tear up when she was willing to give her body to Flemeth. I feel that Flemeth felt a bit bad not treating Morrigan like a daughter when she mentioned it to her. So many feels in this game ;A;
The sad fact that Morrigan has become happier in DAI while as Leliana has become progressively sadder. :(
Morphy
You as the Inquisitor can nudge Leliana out of her slump and remind her what's important over the game.
Morphy Leliana breaks my heart in DAI
Morphy You guys do know that Leliana's personality can be 'hard' or 'soft' in Inquisition, just like in Origins, right? There are a couple of encounters that set it. If Leliana is ruthless and sad in your games, I think you 'hardened' her character. She's a lot happier the other way.
Richard Hollis well i would not use the word ruthless just like in dragon age origins its more akin to naive
'She was betrayed as I was betrayed --as the world was betrayed! Mythal clawed and crawled her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged! Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance'
Her delivery makes me goosebump and the implications behind these lines alone are enough for a DA IV.
Vaios Gaintatzis That's because Kate Mulgrew, the voice of Flemeth, is a very good actress.
Vaios Gaintatzis Also note this: There are 9 Elven Gods and 7 Tevinter Old gods. To avoid spoilers, those who have beaten DA:I know that Two Elven gods are still active, which when added together can explain the 7 Tevinter Gods.
I believe a certain Elven God is the chief cause of The Blight and the one they all blame aims to correct the error of the one all Elves held high above the rest.
Kate mulgrew is brilliant
Late to the party but I feel like mythal is somehow the betrayer
@@Raizelash Solas says he did what he did, because Mythal was killed or whatever. So probably not.
Claudia Black & Kate Mulgrew literally rock. Their exchanges just sound so authentic, its unsettling.
and I just found out that DA Lead Writer David Gaider pulled off something too cool. The voice of Kieran, Odin Black, is the son of Morrigan's voice actor, Claudia Black. That just made their scenes so much more realistic.
KeybladeMasterMind OMFG!!!!!!!!
I love Kate Mulgrew and Claudia Black! I immediately recognised Kate's accent since I had watched Star Trek Voyager.
I love how Morrigan goes from the cold and mysterious witch so many of us adored in DAO, to a loving mother who will go to any length for her child in DAI. When I saw how broken up she was about losing Kieran and then how she offered herself to Flemeth to protect him, I started crying. Character development done right.
Loving mother who will go to any length for her child is an old clichè.
There was a reason I romanced her over Leliana and it had nothing to do with her acerbic wit... ok that was a factor too. But in games like this... I tend to go for the characters with the most potential. Morrigan was hard and embittered in Origins but the warden falling for her, bringing out her human side, it way more significance than romancing the 'nice girl' same thing with Isabella, almost. (plus i always felt that Merrill needed a mentor more than she needed a boyfriend)
@@erinblue4043 It may be an old cliche but its still around because of its impact on our hearts and minds. There are few things that can rival a mothers love for their children.
Plus, Leliana's story makes more sense if she stays alone and finally becomes Divine after all that she lived through, ready to lead the Chantry in a brave new direction.
This all is put in perspective if Alistair is also king. Sten (most probably) is the new Arishok after the one in DA2 died, Alistair is King of Ferelden, Leliana is either Divine or very damn close to being that powerful anyway. The party Warden led was constructed beautifully in terms of character harmony.
@@erinblue4043 it'll never be cliche
You can't help but feel sorry for Flemeth after Morrigan's said "I maybe many things...but I will not be the Mother you were to me". Her expression says it all....mighty being or not those words truly hurt her...because she knew she was right. Deep down Flemeth always cared for Morrigan,she's just not good at showing it.
Given how Flemeth basically destroyed and obliterated Morrigan's childhood and robbed her of any normalcy and abused her on so many levels. It was only during and after Origins (especially if the Warden romances her) that she understands just how down right terrible her mother was to her. And even if Morrigan was short sided and angry at her...she had good reason to be.
Flemeth is basically Rick Sanchez. Atleast Rick is funny.
I think this whole thing was a test. She wanted to see if Morrigan had learned to be a better mother than her perhaps for her own peace of mind. I'd like to think so but she's an immortal who has, if for no other reason than living a long damn time and seeing the patterns of men repeat themselves age by age, gained a measure of foresight. So its entirely possible there was far more to this than simply indulging her maternal curiosity.
"And I will see her avenged!" Kate Mulgrew is one hell of a voice actress.
flemeth should get an oscar for her performance.
More like *spoilers* Fen'harel.
Kate Mulgrew does great in all that she does. (in my humble opinion)
What else do you expect from Capt Janeway?
I knew she was up to something in origins, but never expected this. Well played flemeth
+James Handshoe Agreed.
This scene really shows just how talented the writers and voice actors at Bioware are. You really feel Morrigan's fear for Kieran and Flemeth you get the answer to one question which simultaneously raises several others, it's all just brilliant
ThatGUY666666 too bad much of the talent was absent for Andromeda
M LG Andromeda was made by other people
@@felisszerjin9073 thats literally what he said
Flemeth was woiced by Kate Mulgrew. By captain Janeway, to rephrsae.
It's really nice to see Morrigan as a good mother. I was nervous about the Dark Ritual, I thought she'd be a terrible mother (like Flemeth) but she's actually a good mother. I like to imagine her, the Warden and Kieran having a 'happily ever after.' But in Dragon Age there's never a happily ever after... Alistair taught me that :'(
could be a "good enough" ending
Alistair was a crybaby little bitch and the only thing I had trouble deciding about his fate was to execute him or make him a drunk loser who has no rights to the crown.
@@GyroZeppel I just love when gamers deem male character a "whiner" or a "crybaby" just for having emotions like normal human beings, and not being stereotypical macho men. It's so funny.
gwirith14 it has nothing to do with the fact he was a male. His voice was whiny. It’s an inflection in the voice. It has nothing to do with being macho or not. The way he dealt with his own situation was that of a spoiled child. It has nothing to do with acting “manly” or “womanly” it has to do with acting like a child vs an adult.
gwirith14 I love film and games where men are portrayed as vulnerable and realistic. Alistair was not portrayed this way. It’s funny that you assume how I view male characters. You have no insight into my mind, but go ahead and continue your false assumptions.
Fun fact: Claudia Black's real-life son Odin Black plays the voice of Kieran. Interesting, no?
thats awesome! his name too haha.
"mutha ah'm lonley'
***** HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I cried here
Odin possesses the soul of an Old God!!
..who's Claudia Black?
Anybody else here think it's funny how throughout the DA games everyone is suspiscious of Morrigan and fear she is planning the worst when it is proved time and time again that her goals are not altogether evil and she is a good person at heart, plus if you did the Dark Ritual she is shown to be a devoted and caring mother who on top of that is faithful to her beloved Warden-Commander?
Her child is not by my warden , its by loghain
Sweet morrigan sent the warden to kill Flemeth so she would gain control of the old god baby or Kieran in the first place.
Morrigan herself was never in danger from Flemeth.
Her child in my game is of Alistair.
@@FALUKYOURMOM have you tried dieing as a lover ps I have a theory that the child is still not logans if you was her partner she still ends up getting a child anyways from the warden without the ritual only person that is as potential in is Alistair logan is to old
@@inohalajian4151. The only way to have Loghain (or Alistair) as the father is by playing a female Warden.
Otherwise she offers the ritual to the male Warden.
Ive never encountered a character thats so obviously evil and godlike, but can so easily be a good guy, Flemeth straddles that line so perfectly
I dont think she's evil for evil sake. She has tendencies to disregard others to get her goals but even she is aware where to stop. When she said Morrigan was never endangered with her I actually believed her.
@@kingcobra2858 I love how she delivers the line "Listen to the voices, they will teach you...as I never did" I feel like she's trying to tell Morrigan that she's never alone
She’s not evil she’s… playing a very VERY long game. If I had to guess she exists to protect Thedas from something truly terrible… but one wonders… who protects Thedas from her? If you want a parallel? Queen Mab from the Dresden Files.
@@stevenceja4706 winter is cold but never so cold as to freeze the heart entirely.
People are going to regret the way how they treated elves come the next game. There are too many strong hints (at least for me) that it's going to be the elves who's going to cause mayhem this time.
Play Trespasser Dlc and you'll find out that "causing mayhem" is an understatement.
@@Ruosteinenknight I have and it just solidified my theory even more.
If you ever played Tresspasser, you'll shit nugs
Tbh, it's not gonna be elves that destroy the world. It's gonna be one elf, singular.
The asshole, lying, peace of shit Solas.
All the other elves don't have a say in this. It's his way or the highway, and he makes that damn clear at the end of Trespasser.
So the ones like Sera? Enslaved or killed. Elves in circles or college of enchanters? All dead or murdered. The ones in the Qun? They're super fucking dead as solas hates Qun more than anything, except maybe Evanuris. Briala's people in Orlais? Might as well die right then and there because Solas hates her and her people as well.
Trespasser epilogue remarked that Elven servants across Thedas were disappearing, but NOT ALL elves.
Mind you, there's also the matter of half elvhen such as Alistair or Feynriel, of which is not an insignificant number, according to DA books.
In DA4, my character is gonna be elven, if at possible Dalish, and he/she is gonna murder Solas so fucking hard. And any other Evanuris that might appear as well. The poetic justice is gonna be sweet.
@@kutlumzrak2689 why do you hate solas so much?
Flemeth is one of the best characters in this series. Flemeth has the power to effect tremendous change, but has the wisdom to see the bigger picture and realize overemotional use of the power would have consequences.
Theres that expression flemeth has at 8:32 after Morrigan says she will not be the mother to her child the way her own mother was to her. It almost seems as if flemeth.....regrets...
She's hurt.
Ah Flemeth. Such a tragic character. A young girl trapped in a loveless marriage, who tried to escape it through finding love in another man, only for her jealous husband to tear them apart, slaughter her love, and throw her in a dungeon. She cries out in the dark for vengeance, and found what is indescribably the most unlikely of kindred spirits. The old god Mythal, creator of the world, a shaper of the fade like none other before or since, now just a withered husk of a spirit thanks to the betrayal of one she cared for deeply. The two form a pact, they swear to help each other find vengeance for the wrongs against them...and out the other side comes Flemeth, the Witch of the Wilds, Ashabellanar, and so many other names all for the same entity, a broken and vengeful goddess in mortal form, wise, ancient, and powerful.
And she chooses to spend her time trading banter with those that fate deems historically important for anything from 5-15 minutes at a time, most of whom are incredibly snarky toward the being that can literally turn into a dragon and fucking eat them.
Don't forget the "an old hag who talks too much."
Harbinger, huh?
Even in DA, his name seems to be in it. Oh I hate you Reapers.
Nothing stands against us. The forces of the universe bend to me.
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!
Dr. Choclates !
The word "Sovereign" is in it too. Now all we need is "Catalyst."
PsyrenXY don't forget synthesis and control
1:59 Kieran smacks his mother in the ear.
yeah she missed you too
Flemeths voice actor really does a spot on job, she must have a lot of fun with the role.
"That's quite enough. You'll endanger the boy."
Spoken like a grandmother. I think Flemeth does have, in her own eternal way, a connection to them. She will always be a protector, whether they choose it or not. Even her unknown path to anybody but herself has still kept them alive and well. Flemeth will not endanger the child unless madness consumes her. And I don't think Mythal would purposefully belittle an innocent life to expand her doctrine of the elder ones.
I love 2 things abaout this scene
1. Morrigans insult about beeing not a mother like here, seems to actually hit Flemeth
2. In this scene is the first time we ever see Flemeth lose her cool and shows us what a sad and bitter old beeing she is
Imagine if my Human Mage Warden was here:
Hero of Ferelden: Morrigan! I'm home! Just came back to resupply and-...... Flemeth?
Flemeth: Warden...
Hero of Ferelden: Didn't I kill you once?
Flemeth: I got better
Hero of Ferelden: Heard that's been going around lately...... so..
Flemeth: ?
Hero of Ferelden: I don't have to call you mother now, do I?
Flemeth: XD (laugh)
Morrigan: >:(
Kieran: ?
Inquisitor: 0_o
Rojae Davis lol
Warden Aeducan: I missed the banter, I really did.
Gay
Hawke: Can any of you show me the exit?
On a side note, when the Warden from Origins finally appears in another Dragon Age game, are they going to keep them silent? Like are they gonna magically lose their tongue or something?
Perhaps it's odd but I think Flemeth may be my favourite character in DA at this point (besides Alistair of course).
Damn .it's scary when Flemeth raises her voice.
*whimpers*
Cameo? No. She plays a much larger role than that
10 years and Morrigan still wear the same clothes.
The fan base likes it, why change, heck Bioware even gave her the exact same opening line when you met her in The winter palace: " well well what have we here..."
Adam Cao They also gave that to Flemeth in Dragon Age 2.
She got a good deal
Oh dont worry, Morrigan has 7 of those clothes for every day of the week. The dress in Orlais was hot too tho.
I sorta expected my Warden (that romanced Morrigan) to appear behind Flemeth and stab her in the back.
"No one threatens my family bitch!"
That would be cool, also if the Warden was a human mage Hawke could help too!
I actually imagined my Warden coming out of nowhere mounted in a giant demon ! Then he headbutt Flemeth and she dies !
But how does he know sign language
Jonny Oliveira
Spoilers:
Solas can do it for him
Jonny Oliveira that'll probably be the ending of DA4
What a masterful performance by Kate Mulgrew! Such a complex and fascinating character! A truly underrated actress. Would love to see her in a Shakespeare production.
Had she taken either of them I imagine my warden would fall into a fury such that Flemeth, Mythal and all other deities would want to crawl in the deepest holes of the fade and even then they won't be safe. He would probably find and fuse himself with the soul of Elgar'nan the god of vengeance just to crush her.
so you do like the game?
Naturally, quite a lot in fact. If you are wondering about that comment with slander for the game on a previous video it was just a thing I found and reposted to as it was baffling to me, oh never mind doesn't matter - point being that hateful comment wasn't mine nor was it my opinion of the game.
sure mi love the game i would give it a 10 if there was a female qunari romance still in this clip i think that the hero my main or "Maris cosuland" should have stepped in
he would be like hy felmeth leave my son alone or the world will end that kids destiny has been hyped sense dragon age origins
Емил Владимиров Sound pretty accurate for me as well
And where's my Warden's "I will always protect you Morrigan." ?!
Kieran's tall for a half-Dwarf. Just sayin...
He's not a half dwarf, the canon option for origins was the Cousland man.
@@amenthegreat3761 Nope, there is no canon. That's Bioware official.
@@amenthegreat3761 . There is no canon only default. And wasnt it the Dalish elf the default one?
Still, he can be a half dwarf.
@@SeventhheavenDK no he can't humans and dwarves can't properly conceive a child anyway
@@SeventhheavenDK it would just be a human child
“You were never in any danger from me”
I really want this expanded on
She was never going to possess Morrigan like we thought in the 1st game. Flemmeth only takes willing bodies. She would never have killed Morrigan. Now, she was still abusive, but what she and Morrigan consider being in danger is a lot different from what any well adjusted person would call being in danger
Flemeth wanted to pass on Mythal's soul to Morrigan.
My Dalish Inquisitor insisted on drinking from the Well. When this was revealed, I was even more glad that she did. I can't imagine how much it must hurt for Morrigan to be forever in her mother's power after trying so hard to get away from her.
What a good dialogue writing and acting. Arcane yet personal, metaphysical yet emotional. As I have seen in some of the comments in other videos, this saga might have its shortcomings and mistakes for the experts to talk about -nor that I am at all cognisant enough to understand or even see them-, but evidently great creative minds were involved in the delivery. Vibrantly intense, meaningful, with a hue of artistic purpose and trascendence that I value a lot.
Flemeth yay!!!
the Epilogue is unclear, though i think Flemeth is the one left standing at the end. Plus Flemeth isn't all the evil people are making her out to be. She said Morrigan was never in any danger from her, she clearly does love them..or have feelings for her family. Go Flemeth!!
To me it seems more like Morrigan touched a nerve. The "I will not be the mother that you were" kind of lines can be harsh on just about anyone. Also who is the elven goddess and why she wants vengeance? I never paid much attention to elven lore except for their story and the Eluvians. And the only deity I remember from the elves was Fen'harel. I never knew anything about the others
Machowesker17 There are two pantheons of the Elven Gods. The benevolent ones, I think, or supposed. These in my opinion also include Sandal and possibly Bodhan. And the forgotten ones (probably the old gods). Fen'Harel was kinda in both of them. Tricking them. I think the vengeance is in regards to man, and how the Imperium brought the downfall of the elves in such a brutal manner. I also think the Maker may be interlinked into this as the king of gods in a way.
If I may offer my opinion: I think they merged. Remember anders.
I think more like when a spirit of justice is corrupted by anger and hatred they exhibit that rare blue glow. Both Anders and Flemeth are (or were in some cases of anders) both full of anger and lust for punishment and vengeance. I doubt there's much connection between Anders and Flemeth. Flemeth is smart and is always three steps ahead of everyone but I doubt she cares about every little detail like Anders.
Great ideas guys XD. Its so interesting...the statue of the dragon, has to mean somthing. It is clearly Flemeth...well Mythal, whilst the wolf is of course Fenharel. I like the idea said earlier about the old gods being the forgotten ones. Im starting to think from this and that dragon statue that everything is interconnected. the olds gods and the elven pantheon were the same, and that idea of the maker being the king? Not sure but they were betrayed and i think that maybe the maker betrayed them. Considering we know the legend behind Fen henral is wrong to some extent since its confirmed that he did not betray elven deities, as he is not the one Mythal is after, in fact he is a "old friend" and still is. I think that could be a great twist on things. The world stands divided because of their belief, but wat if Bioware reveals that everyone is worshipping the same belief but at different angles?? Like they all contain bits and pieces of the one big picture. In dragon age 4 or maybe a dlc it could be like the gods vs the maker ahaha. There are two old gods left and....wait..O.o...Wat if they are trying to free the last old gods BEFORE the taint. Or forgotten ones and such...so many ideas... the other gods are all trapped in another dimension, to which i think the eluvian leads to. That or the maker XD.
I was really impressed by Morrigan's character development, especially dark ritual Morrigan.
My Straight Male Human Noble Warriror Inquistitor drank from the well just to keep Morrigan free so she and Kieran can go back to my Human Noble Warrior Warden.
i wish we could have seen the hero of ferelden
I did some checking of the actors in this game, and it turns out that Kieran is voiced by Claudia Black's real life son.
Jay and his name? Odin Black. Now, that's an awesome mccoolname right there.
Kinda reminds me of Odin dark from fire emblem except there is no him saying "MY ACHING BLOOD"
I love how far Morrigan has come throughout the series.
-"A soul is not forced upon the unwilling..."
-Then she vowed that she would never be safe from her... (Even though she was "never in danger" from her)
-"I will have my due."
I predict that Flemmeth/Mythal will come again in some other form, to *ask* Morrigan to be a host for Mythal. I dont know if Morrigan loses all that she is if that does happen but it could be a sad conflicting thing for Keiran and the Hero of Ferelden.
Morrigan is more of a mother than Flemeth at least morrigan cares for her child
The son saw how that Morrigan was frustrated because she was worried about him and he silently begged his grandmother to let him be with his dear mother. Flemeth tested Morrigan with the offer and when she saw that she was willing to sacrifice her own life for her son she was deeply moved and she relized that her grandson should postpone his destiny and grow up with his loving mother. I think that she kept the blue spirit for safekeeping and set the path for Morrigan to become wiser in the future. Cold pragmatism and realism was the way Flemeth showed her love because she thought that in this ruthless world this is the only way but all that Morrigan has ever wanted was emotional warmness and honesty. It broke my heart to see how Morrigan felt unloved, dissilusioned, betrayed and finally full of guilt, secret admiration and doubt and how Flemeth felt misunderstood, vilified and profoundly lonely in her godlike strength and wisdom. Still, I think that Morrigan's display of emotions had a deep impact on Flemeth's worldview, Morrigan is emotionaly pwned and on the path to become like her mother and they are so entangled with eachother that the word "love" is an understatement.
"alas, so long as the music plays, we dance..." probably one of my fave quotes from the games!!
How do you unlock this cutscene? I've played through the game many times, but never once had seen this :')
This scene only happens if Kieran has the Old God Soul.
I love every second of it.. So excited that Flemeth and Morrigan are in this.. Two of my all time Favorite characters ... So excited to continue this game..
I've been rewatching both Farscape AND Voyager I'm absolutely obsessed with these two and their characters
Hey fluffy, do you use a mod manager in any of your playthroughs? If so, are you able to acquire powers from a rift mage class even though you chose to be a knight enchanter as your specilisation?
Flemeth is so charming. Her slight chuckles and carefully chosen words.
so.. the choices are between Morrigan becoming flemeth's servant or the inquisitor. I'm tempted to let my dalish elf do the drinking considering who flemeth is. then again I would not like becoming flemeth's bitch and turn half of thedas into flemeth's sandbox in the process... man this is tough.
Finish the game and see the last scene, after credits :)
Playing a Dalish Elf Mage, I chose to drink from the well. I thought it seemed most appropriate, storywise. That being said, I didn't expect this, and the epilogue has me confused, to say the least. I won't spoil it here, but I will say I both curse and praise Bioware for the ending, and I expect they will show some type of answer in time.
But what good story reveals everything all at once? There may be some things that I would have preferred to happen instead, but on the whole I'm not disappointed.
P.S. exactly WHICH thing are you referring to? There are quite a few options.....
I love how the writers never forgot that Flemeth was, at the end of the day, a mother.
Stunning vocal performances from Claudia and Kate here. An amazing game, I hope there is more to come for this franchise.
"I am but a shadow, lingering in the Sun."
Makes you think, when the Elder God of the elves was The Sun and the Creator is also the Sun.
What's the name of the track that plays during this scene? I can't find it.
Can you post the version were Kieran has no old god soul? I also wonder if the dialogue is a bit different if Morrigan is in an romance with the warden.
If Kieran exists, he has the old god soul. He is a result of dark ritual of Morrigan having sex with either a Male Warden, Alistair, and if I'm remembering correctly, possibly Loghain.
macadaddyn if you romance morringan with a male warden but dont do the dark ritual morrigan will have a child without the soul of urthumiel. a warden will die but it is possible.
My mistake then, I never romanced her, I thought if you had sex with her before the final fight, the ritual was performed.
but you can chose not to take her, if she is not at your side while you fight the archdeamon the ritual is not completed. so in the end a warden must die
Shakewixx No. As long as Morrigan did the ritual, it doesn't matter who;s in the party to take the final blow. If you two had sex before the eve of the final battle, then Kieran is a normal boy. If you two had sex on the eve of the final battle, Kieran gets the Old God Soul.
Wow beautiful performance from Kate Mulgrew. Her voice makes Flemeth so powerful in such a short momentary and memorable scene.
Flemeth simply rocks! Morrigan was a surprise change of personality. Can't wait to finish the game and then start over again!
Man, Flemeth is so badass, her speech really deeper than Inception the movie itself, this is really good!
How do you get this scene. I am pretty sure I made my world with the dark ritual performed and didn't encounter this cutscene :/
"Human? Not a word many have used for me in a very long time."
Psycho Janeway: Same here!
I'm getting headache thinking what it might have been if there was no Dark Ritual...time to create another World State
its just them summoning mythral and found out it is flemeth. Basically everything you see here but without the kid
Cay Vyne
How about the Old God soul?
She won't absorb anything. The Old God soul will be omitted.
I can't deny the fact that Kieran is such a sweet boy!
What Morrigan said at 8:30, did Flemeth seem hurt by that remark? Was she really that bad of a parent? I know Morrigan shares some things in DA:O about her childhood, and while some of Flemeth's parenting may have been questionable, she doesn't seem so bad. Unpredictable and mysterious, sure. But it seems a little out of her character to be abusive and uncaring.
In Morrigan's 'nightmare' in the Fade during the Circle quest in Origins, an illusory Flemeth appears. Morrigan taunts the phantom, insisting its portrayal of Flemeth is unconvincing. When the spirit slaps Morrigan harshly, saying, "This is what you get for not showing respect!" Morrigan then says something along the lines of "That's more like it."
This basically confirms Flemeth had a tendency to physically abuse Morrigan, to say nothing of the obvious psychological abuse going on as well. Morrigan herself isn't even aware of how co-dependent their relationship is at the start of the game.
Once I said that Flemeth was the Maker, I almost got it !
How to get this scene???
I met flemeth in the front of mythal statue
This scene only happens if Kieran exists and has the soul of the old god.
In others words, we performed the Dark Ritual with Morrigan in DAO.
Wow Felmeth was actually touched and surprised by Morrigans love for her son
Is there going to be more Videos Today like more Cullen Romance
The best thing is when your Inquisitor drank from the well she stops being mad at you for doing so after this.
For me she was like "at least your stupidity freed me from my mother forever"
Crying. It's lovely to see Morrigan softer from her son.
The part where Flemeth raises her voice sends shivers down my spine, such a powerful scene.
A surprisingly touching scene at it's conclusion.
Loved it, great game to boot.
Dragon Age, where your choice of bed partner could potentially drastically change the world.
That was then, now he...he is my son!
imagine Kieran becoming a grey warden to fill his loneliness,
Like Father Like Son!!!!
to taint a child with an old god soul, just after the soul was cleansed of the blight is not a good idea
FluffyNinjaLlama can you please tell me if Flemeth will appear in DAI if i kill her in DAO????And i forgot if i resurected her in DA2????
She'll appear.
SPOILER ALERT!
At the end of the fifth blight, Morrigan performed a ritual that was recorded in Flemeth Grimoire that acted to preserve the soul of the old god, while its vessel, the archdemon was slain by a grey warden. In Inquisition, Flemeth called out to the god child and absorbed his god soul. I wonder if Flemeth has done this every time there was a blight, each time a different daughter of her perform a ritual such as this, raises a child who gives up their soul to Flemeth after which They willingly submit their physical body, Flemeth then lingers on. The Flemeth that we see now if I'm right, Is actually the living embodiment of all five old god souls, and she just gave all of this, plus mythal whatever she maybe, to Solas the Dread Wolf. Why she done that is beyond me and there isn't much clue in the lore for speculation
I dont think Flemeth is as pure as you make her, nor wicked as we've been pressed to by Morrigans stories. I think in time each of her daughters grow and come to understand the need for them to willing take her into them. Their soul becomes part of Flemeth's restrengthening her so that her and Mythal can continue this long 'Dance'.
Fact that Flemeth was so hurt by Morrigans steadfast belief in her being forcefully taken by Flemeth hurts her, but not as bad as Morrigan believing Flemeth was anything but a good mother (or as good as she could be). To me she shows this by not harming the boy, taking the 3rd option of allowing his soul and body to return with Morrigan and Flemeth still leaves with what she wanted (old god).
I think we'll come to see in time that the mages when they entered the Golden City betrayed the good nature of the Old Gods/Elven Pantheon and killed someone or most of them...or far worst...enslaved them. Mythal was one of the few to escape though I think barely..hence needing now Flemeth...But this is all my assumptions...
They have some writers that does excellent cliffhangers I must say. They sure will sell their expansion packs well, I just hope they won't flog item packs like DA2
The ritual prevents a Warden from dying when the soul of the old god attempts to move into his body, because it instead seeks out the child. In the past for each blight, one warden died killing the archdemon. Whether this truly means both souls are forever lost or not is vague but it does mean that the ritual with Morrigan was unique.
Also worthy of noting, Kieran carries the taint yet does not suffer any effects of it. This in itself means he might have the cure to the calling in his blood, or more.
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I honestly believe Fiona was Alistar's mother and it was childbirth that cured her.
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But one of Alistair's parents was not a Warden. I believe that really her 'cure' was rare occurance and given how rarely Wardens have children, specially female Wardens birthing themselves. It would be all but nearly unheard of and not something they'd share.
That or she's possessed by a demon which cured the taint only because she's an abomination...
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As nice, wise, and funny Flemmeth is, YOU DO NOT PISS HER OFF...EVER...
With what we know from Trespasser, this whole encounter was SUCH a big foreshadowing as well as leaving us to have a million questions.
Did Solas, Fen'Harel himself, forcibly take Mythal's soul/power from Flemeth to achieve his god-like powers quicker? Or did he steal the Old God's power, and Mythal/Flemeth pulled a switcheroo like she did in Dragon Age 2 and hop from her old (now turned to stone) body to Morrigan's? Clearly Mythal wants revenge against Solas, who thinks fondly of Mythal and clearly regrets what he did to her. Does he realize that she wants to destroy him for his betrayal? That while Solas thinks his "plan" will checkmate the Evanuris permanently and give magic/immortality back to the elves, Mythal has been awake and possessing Flemeth, plotting a counterplay against Fen'Harel? Or did Mythal's soul slip into Solas as well as all the power of the Old God, and she'll possibly attempt to corrupt him from the inside while Morrigan is her agent, enhanced by the power of the Well? What role will the Inquisitor play in all this, if Flemeth deems them important? Or Hawke, who she imparted plenty of equally cryptic warnings and advice to (and might be drifting about in the Fade, depending on what your choices were at Adamant)? JUST... UGH.
Too many questions.
This scene is so much better with Kieran than without him
Man my importing/exporting isn't working. I'm one Xbox 1 can anyone help, and yes I have hit the export to inquisition game button. Pls help
BillyTrey FennSmith When in Inquisition you need to log in.
was the soul of the ancient god removed from Kieran ??
I think that for most people you need that closure with Morigan and the child. I wish I could recreate my Warden mage and be there. I couldn't believe how powerful my mage was.
So if Morrigan was never in any danger and her body could only be taken willingly, then the entire quest where The Warden must fight and (temporarily) kill Flemeth was for nothing. Instead of explaining that Morrigan isn't in any danger, she attempts to kill The Warden even though he/she is essential to the Dark Ritual, a plan Flemeth devised herself and was the reason she sent Morrigan with The Warden and Alistair in the first place.
Well, I wouldn't say it was for nothing. It showed us that Morrigan massively mis-understood what Flemeth intended, which she thought was Flemeth wanting to take over her body to lengthen her own life. Morrigan admitted this in the Witch Hunt DLC, she says something like "I thought what Flemeth wanted was immortality, but I was wrong, so very wrong". Flemeth intended to pass the godhood of Mythal to Morrigan. Flemeth knew Solas would want Mythal's godhood to help him in his quest to restore the Elven people so she allowed Solas to take Mythal's godhood (which we see in the final cutscene in DA:I) on the condition he pass it on to Morrigan (This was revealed in some designers notes left in the game's files.).
I am so annoyed at my self that I didn't realize that was Kate Mulgrew... right after going on a Orange Is the New Black binge 😬
"As long as the music plays we dance" goes so hard
Absolutely outstanding.
How many hours do you think Flemeth spends styling her hair like that every waking moment?
how the hell do you get this scene?
This might be a stupid question. But, it is ever explained why there skin is sweaty while in the fade? It's just somewhat odd to see.
So fun fact if flemmeth takes the old gods soul solas will not just have the soul of myral but also of the old god!
ah flemeth, im going to miss you.
Does anyone know if this changes based on whether you killed Flemeth for her grimoire or took her offer in origins?
Spencer Smith Nothing changes.
This was an exciting yet emotional moment. Flemmeth looked quite crushed by Morrigan's words. Beyond that if anyone played through without doing the Dragon's keep data transferred, Flemmeth gave hints that not everything written in her grimoire were true. I also found information online regarding the truth of Flemmeth's other daughters hidden in other worlds in different dimensions. I PRAY all of that will be released on the next Dragon Age. It appears there may be a huge war against the gods in the next chapter I can't wait! Andraste, Mythal, and all the Old Gods are the biggest mysteries I have been dying to learn since DAO
"Mythal clawed and crawled her way through the ages to me and I will see her averaged"
Is this in the standard storyline or is this part of the dlc?
It depends on if you have performed the dark ritual in dragon age 1.. without it, Kieran would not exist in this game
How do you get the version where you see Flemeth in a forest clearing instead of the Fade and Kieran isn't there?
Gigi Geniveve Just refuse to do the Dark Ritual in DAO, this way Kieran will never be born, or be born but be human without the old god soul.
+FluffyNinjaLlama I did the dark ritual but I never got this version of the meeting with Flemeth and I never saw Kieran
+Gigi Geniveve so which version did you get? With dark ritual you should have met Flemeth in the Fade like in this video
THATS it,next dragon age game kieran better be in the game as a hero's companion or better yet played as kieran himself ! XD.... He has a destiny!!!
I don't like how they flipped from the obvious implications set up in Dragon Age Origins. It's clear that the intent originally was to have both Flemeth and Morrigan's child be reincarnated Old Gods. Why else would Morrigan be sent on that mission, and how else would Flemeth know about it? Instead Flemeth is just some old Elven mage, and Urthemiel is just hitching on a ride on Kieran rather than being him. Rather anticlimactic.
I wonder if Flemeth protected Kieran with taking away the old god soul and store it int the eluvian world before Solas "devoured" her at the end.
Solas has a lot in common with our worlds counterpart of Fenrir.
I know its not entirely possible.. But i think that it would awesome if Kieran was to be one of our companions in one of the future games.. After all, don't they imply that Morrigan might have had a kid anyways even if you don't do the ritual (In Dragon Age Origins ending)