I recently bought an a7vi (upgraded from a6600) and its a game changer for me. Lots of customizable buttons, 33mp, and flip screen for vertical shots are one of my favorite features, but I can see why its not a worthy upgrade from the a7iii
Great to hear Joe! That would be a very worthy upgrade. It is amazing how you get used to a certain camera, but then when you have one with more functions, it makes so much more sense!! Thanks for watching 😁👍
I can see how for photography a7iv is a solid upgrade over a6000 series camera but I regret switching to A7iii from a6500. Too much weight, the body, the lens are massive and expensive. And it turns out the best content I made was with apsc camera because full frame is just to cumbersome. This is in a travel/vlog type of content context.
@@markshirley01 i just picked up a zve10. Fx30 perhaps in a few months, and possibly get rid of full frame gear as well. The full frame experience was a painful experience , and I’m not doing photography/videography professionally
@@X99Zero certainly makes sense if your not shooting video professionally. I do shoot hybrid professionally so Im just keeping my trusty D750 for photo work. But I looked back at my paid video work over the last 8 years and thought I really don't need or want full frame for that anymore. My 2 most used focal length in video are 24mm and 50mm. So I figured the 15mm F1.4 (22.5 APSC) eould be fine and I get 34mm with clear image zoom - so I reckon the one lens will cover me.
Regarding the l-bracket issue. Smallrig l-brackets are designed to accommodate flippy screens. While details vary by camera model, the common elements are a gap in the back end of the vertical piece, plus the ability to move the vertical piece further away from camera body, further forward on the camera, or whatever combination may be required to achieve your preferred viewing angle.
I bought the SmallRig L Bracket too and agree it can be used with the flippy screen, the only downside is too it is when you go from landscape to portrait orientation there's not much for the area Swiss plate to grip onto it at the bottom.
Here's a tip, I bought the APS-c 70-350mm Sony G lens for my A7IV as a hiking lens. It is ultra light and small yet gives an amazing 525 effective zoom and a roughly 18MB picture at 4608 x 3027 thanks to the 33 MP sensor. I have the Sony 200-600mm but it is far too heavy for most uses.
I thought I was gonna keep my Sony a7 iii as a back up cam but after using the a7 iv I don’t even want to keep that camera as a back up any longer the a7 iv is such a dramatic improvement in every way from the buttons to the software to the auto focus to the hand grip. It’s not even close. Maybe I’m weird but I don’t understand your L bracket complaint. You can keep the screen in the same position as the a7iii. Sure you can’t flip the screen out as well with one on but it’s still an added benefit/feature for when you aren’t using an L bracket.
And that's the thing with these cameras, some suit some people and some suit others. I suppose I'm showing that I'm turning into a grumpy old man who doesn't like change 😆😆😆 I had an Lbracket for my a7c and it just got in the way of me using the flippy screen effectively in high pressured shoots ... And with the a7iv it's the same. If I have a flippy screen I want it to work properly and not be crippled by an L bracket, and this is why I've come up with what I use. It's great that you don't see it as a problem and this shows we just take photographs in different ways. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I am very satisfied with my a7iv, still the screen is not great. I use EVF when taking pictures 90% of the time. I have never owned an a7iii, I upgraded from a6500. 70% of my photographing is landscape, the rest is birds. 33 is better than 24 when you always have to crop. As an example a7iii gives you under 11 mp i cropmode, a7iv gives you over 14.
Great to hear your setup, and that is a very worthy upgrade. I bet you really saw the difference in useability after switching from the A6500! Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Yes it was a great update. AF for birds is so much better. The only full frame lense I owned was Sony 85 1.8, so I had to buy a lot of new lenses. Two Sony (20 f1.8 G and 100-400 GM with 1.4x teleconverter), three Sigma and one Tamron.
I don't feel the need to upgrade from my a7iii, but who doesn't like new kit? I will likely have to wait for the a7v. The biggest bump in my photography right now has come from getting a nicer computer, Dell XPS 17 with a 4k display and dedicated graphics. What a difference that makes in how my images look - they're not as bad as I thought! One thing I would like to see - that focus mapping for video but make it work for photos too. Peaking is just to hard to get right.
That's a great point Dave, a computer upgrade will help people much more than a slightly better camera. My wife just got a Dell laptop through work and she's loving it! ...and you're right, focussing aids need to develop and those tools around making the process more efficient could be made much better. As always, thanks for watching 😁👍
Oh man, sorry to hear that! Sucks when people take your stuff ... I hope you can get a new one soon. The A7iv is so much better for video isn't it! Thanks for watching 👍
I'm confident that there's an L-bracket for this like the SmallRig X-T4 L-bracket which has a slot in the side portion of the bracket where you can shove the screen and rotate it a bit.
I often use the A7iii and the A7iv side by side and the end results are almost indistinguishable - at least for photos, 10bit and improved colour science are huge for video. The big change and makes the upgrade worth it in my opinion is the quality of life upgrades. Bigger more comfortable grip, better controls (separate photo and video that keeps separate settings for hybrid shooters) and the flip screen just make it faster, more comfortable and easier to use.
1) Where the heck is there a Sony shop? I need this. 2) I do think the composition was a little busy. A tight-ish crop on the hut near the center would be my preference. 3) I know this doesn't exactly address the issue at hand, but memory/recall settings can help. Maybe setting M1 to portrait, M2 to landscape and so on (I learned this from Mark Galer) can help you easily and quickly lock in an array of reasonable settings so at least you get the shot. 4) Thank you for the videos, especially the a7iv review that makes me feel a lot better about sticking with the a7iii...for now. Edit: Something weird happened; this comment was intended for a different video (the one about mistakes we make in the field). I notice issues from time to time when casting to Roku.
Hi Cassidy, In most big cities, there will be a Sony shop ... You're right with the memory recall settings. The only thing I don't like about those is that if you come out of them, when you go back into them, it resets to what you initially had it at, so if the conditions change through the day, you will have to keep changing them... Great to hear you got something out of this one. Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thank you for the feedback. I know what you're saying about memory settings. It definitely doesn't fully solve the problem. You may have noticed my reply didn't seem very relevant. I watched a few of your videos back to back (your end-of-video hook to your next video is very good btw), and somehow even though I was watching and commenting (or so I thought) on the video about the mistake we make in the field regarding settings, my comment landed on the a7iv video...very odd. It may be a buggy consequence of casting to Roku? Who knows.
After watching this video I decided to buy the A74. I have the A73 and really like it, but it's no good for photographing birds or other wildlife. After watching Mark Galer's video, I understand that Sony has included many of the features from the Sony Alpha 1, which I cannot justify buying, into the A74. The advanced focus tracking alone seems well worth the price. If all I did was landscapes, I would agree with you.
Hi Jim, For wildlife photography, the a7iv is definitely worth it. The focus system would be fantastic for birds and other animals. A big upgrade from the a7iii. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I got to the Display Quality Setting in 16 (3 if I use the touch screen) on my A7IV (drill down, move right)...menu structure works for me (becomes intuitive over time), but I didn't need to unlearn a previous menu scheme. You still have the absolute BEST photography "how to" content I've found - Planning, composition, execution, Hardware...Yada Yada Yada; I do wish youtube had a Favorites Channel Flag), although I could "Save" a single video to a category, and back into it. Thanks... (Glass is King!)
Thanks fro your kind words Armondo. I have gotten used to the menus now... and the great thing with these cameras is that there are so many customisable buttons that for 99% of tasks, everything is there at my fingertips. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike, I've moved from an A7 Mk1(2016) to directly a A7RIII (2018). Until there, I've not seen any need to migrate towards the IV generation. As landscape photographer, like you, I like multiple megapixels. With 42MP, this allows a big crop and simplify the setup to bring. I mainly take the 16/35 and the Tamron 70/180 and I cover almost 95 % of images. With the big matrix and the possibility to expand the image with softwares like Topaz, the need of intermediate 50mm and also my 100/400 (sigma) is less necessary. As you said, lenses are more important to get a photo. So investing there is key. I hope you'll be happy with your new gear and I'm looking forward for new videos about your passion...
Great to hear your thoughts and what you use Patrick. I definitely think you made the right decision for landscape photography, if I didn't film these videos, I would have gone for the A7riii as well. Lot's more videos to come ... in fact I was out this morning filming some more videos and got a cracker of a sunrise!! Can't wait to cut it together and share it with you. As always thanks for watching 😁👍
My two cameras are a7riiis. Love those cameras. For landscape, I usually take my Sony 20mm f1.8 g, Tamron 28-75 G2 and 70-180. Images are nice and clear. Like you, I use Topaz to expand the image if I cropped a bit too much. I've owned the Sigma 100-400 twice, but it just didn't seem sharp enough on the long end when shooting between 350-400mm. The Sony 100-400 is beyond my current budget. But just love the 70-180!
Thanks for sharing. I'm a hobby (mainly) landscape photographer and use a Canon 6D Mk.2. The flippy screen of that is more useful as I can rotate it fully into the cavity it came from. I do find the dynamic range and higher ISO performance poor despite using Topaz denoise. I'm looking into Sony A7 for my next camera, either the III or IV version. This is valuable input for that decision which won't happen this year anymore though. For screen viewing you can buy a simple 'LCD viewfinder', a rubber sleeve with lens you can use to review your photos or live-view so the ambient light or glare doesn't affect the experience.
Thanks for your thoughts Bartjes, I used to have one of those LCD viewers a long time ago for my Canon cameras when I used to shoot a lot of video. They are very good, but with these Sony cameras, the resolution is a lot lower so you still don't get the full use out of them. From the 6Dii, you would definitely see a drop in resolution if you switched. I have a video planned in the future on the dynamic range of the A7iv ... and I might include the A7iii as well just to see if there is that much of a difference. Looking at the stats, the A7iii has a DR or 14.53 and the A7iv is at 14.7, so not that much of a difference ... the low light capabilities of the two are similar ... obviously a little better in the A7iv, but only marginally. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hey Alyn ... I saw that a while back and it looks really interesting. Does it feel like it gets in the way or did you get used to it pretty much straight away? P.s. Congrats on getting your book out! That thing is a beast ... everything anyone would ever need to know about astrophotography!! 👍👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks dude! It covers the lens release button a little bit but other than that, no issues. I've even been able to put my telephoto lenses on with the lens foot still on there and it doesn't get in the way.
'Enjoyed watching your channel for the first time! I use the Sony a7riii for landscape and have really enjoyed it. Recently, I've been focusing less on upgrading, but advancing my photography skills and knowledge. However, I do invest in high quality lenses. I recently read a short book called "The Lesser Photographer" which dealt with our gear obsession. He pointed out that most of the more renowned images throughout history were shot with what we would consider poor equipment today or are blurry to some extent. His points being that our obsession should be more on the story and composition of our photo than the actual gear that we use. There is no question that gear matters (dynamic range, etc.), however, I am now focusing more on getting the photo right and less attention to updating my gear.
Welcome Martin, I hope you like the videos I am making! I have read the book "The Lesser Photographer" as well ... although sometimes when my consumer side kicks in, I keep forgetting it all and then my bank manager gets angry! 😆 You are completely right when it comes to story and composition of a photograph. If you can get this right, then you could get an amazing shot just with a smartphone. It's all about what goes on 6 inches behind the camera. I made a video recently about story in photography, check it out if you haven't seen it already: ruclips.net/video/cAtStE7DKf4/видео.html Thanks for watching 😁👍
That is definitely true. The A7riii is a beast of a camera and will be for years to come. It is indeed Llyn Ogwen ... such an awesome place to shoot ... I try to get there whenever possible. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I still use the A7III and I've been thinking about upgrading for a while now. I sometimes shoot pics that require good and snappy af so the A7 IV would be better at that. But for landscapes I think you can use any camera you want, even 5 year old camera's do a good job at that. I have to say the images on the IV look better than the III, but nothing post processing can't fix. Anyway, I still didn't upgrade because the slight increase in MP, AF and a flip screen doesn't justify the increased price tag for me, not to mention the more expensive cf cards for storage.
You're totally right about cameras for landscapes, the changes are marginal and you could shoot with a much older camera and get very similar results. I purposefully left the images unprocessed in this video (probably should have mentioned that 🙈), so you can see the difference in what comes out of the camera. As for the memory cards, I still use SD cards. I found I needed a V90 SD card for the S&Q timelapses in 10 bit 4:2:2 but that was the only thing I needed to upgrade to the faster SD card for. I'm staying away from the more expensive cards for now, but it is good that they have included the card slot to kind of future proof it a little. Thanks for watching 😁👍
the upgrade solves problems. do you need the tilty flippy screen ? do you need the resolution (4x5 or 1x1 comps are still over 20 MP) do you need the higher amount of cropmarks ? do you need better af performance ? if you do, the upgrade is worth every penny. if you are happy with your a7iii invest in lenses or photo-trips.
People alway complain about the menus on these computers. It's like complaining about all the switches and dial in a Boeing 737. If you know what you're doing, you know you need them all. I agree, the old menu, the new menu same fish different side. It's digital. If you want to lose the menus get a Pentax 67, Leica M6, or go whole hog and get a 4x5 large format camera. It's still just as difficult, but analogue and not digital. 🙂 I bought the A7iv mainly for shooting my videos for YT, and it was a big upgrade form the Fuji's I was using. I shoot the A7Riv for my stills/landscape work, and film as well.
It's the grumpy old man within coming out I think. After 7 years with the older menus, it feels like a completely different system but I'm sure I'll get used to it in the end. Thanks for watching 👍
@@mikesphotography Sure thing! I shoot the A7Riv and A7iv side by side. The two different menus are a pain for sure. One of the main reasons for me to upgrade to the A7RV, just to have the same menus regardless of which one it is! (Sony's evil plan to get me to upgrade I think... 😁)
I hope you're doing well Mike. I upgraded from A7III to A7IV as my prime camera. I'm still sporting the RX10 IV when I want some real reach. I love 'em both. I hope you get back to posting as I've always appreciated your insights.
Thankfully I didn't had to buy the A7IV. The only reasons that I have found that could favor the A7IV over the A7iii was the new EVF and the higher resolution. In the end, 500€ is a big chunk that buys better glass. Couldn't care less about the camera when I was able to buy the new Sony 24-70 GM II for a great deal.
It's always difficult to decide whether an upgrade on a camera is worthwhile, the marketing guru's will have you believing that your photography will improve massively if you buy the latest and greatest, yet we all know that this is rarely true, as you say, some new glass or a course may be of more benefit. But that 33mp sensor is a good size, not too big to make file size unwieldy yet big enough to resolve more detail than we can see with the naked eye. Nice video and some good shots of a beautiful area.
Right, now I have deleted all of those scam messages, back to replying to real messages .... You're right Martin, it is always a difficult decision to make. If I hadn't been making these videos, I probably would have waited for the A7v to come out, but the video features mean that I have 2 cameras to film consistent and steady footage with ... Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike. Many thanks for the great hands on out in the field feedback/review of the A7IV as compared to the A7III! You provide great insight into photography technique and gear as always in so many of your videos! I imagine the difference in image quality between the A7c and A7IV is even smaller with respect to landscape photography as A7c has updated AF algorithms compared to the A7III. What would you say is your preference if you can only take one body out when hiking/backpacking? A7c or A7IV? A7c being smaller and lighter and having better battery life… A7IV having more megapixels, much better EVF, more custom buttons, better video features, dual card slots, touch-screen with pinch to zoom when reviewing, even better AF.
Oh, btw some additional follow up questions. I know you said you like to use the A7c to do your videos. Do you use Slog2 and color grade afterwards? You mention that you do use Catalyst Browse to stabilize from the gyro data. I’m wondering what is the more ideal approach…. Since, we have to film in a higher shutter speed for Catalyst Browse, we might not be able to follow the 180 shutter rule for video… on the A7IV, is it better to use the Active Stabilization (with crop) (not available on the A7c) and not having to deal with additional efforts with post-processing in Catalyst Browse and additional benefit of being able to follow the 180 shutter rule and film at a lower shutter speed?
Thanks so much for your kind words, I have a lot of fun making these videos ... and a comparison video is just an excuse to get out and shoot really! 😆 Ohh, that is a tricky question. Although thinking about it, I would probably go with the A7iv ... because of the EVF, the higher megapixels and all of those custom buttons giving me everything I need without going into those menus. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I love you videos Mike! Is it possible you can do a video on your layout of your A7iv. Like the custom buttons and video modes? Thank you. Keep Up the great work!!!
Hey Gus, Thanks very much!! I've been thinking I need to do a video on that for the a7iv so thanks for the reminder. I'll add it to the list and hopefully get it done and released soon. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I use both cameras A7III and A74..Menus, yes, I have the A7ii menus mastered and love them, the new ones, I can do of course, but its the adjustment I am tackling. Love them both. Good review.
Thanks very much Giuseppe! It is very much a subtle upgrade for the landscaper, whereas for video and moving subjects, it is great. Thanks for watching 😁👍
The primitive flippy screen prevented me to upgrade. The left protruding screen makes the camera cumbersome twice as wide brutally awkward to use. The only positive with it is when you use in portrait orientation.
Hi sinner...😛😛😛😛😛 I am very happy with my a7III, I do not need a flip screen, I do not do sports photography, and I hold family and friends with duct tape, the only thing I would like to have on my a7III is the possibility of changing the color of the focus point , for the rest there are some of the examples that you show that seem the same, others that the difference may be due to the shadows of the clouds during the change of camera, for the rest... I'm with you it's an update for professionals. That if... you will have to take turns the support of the camera in the backpack, otherwise your shoulders will be unbalanced... 9 megapixels more is an extra weight! Greetings.
Haha! I always find that duct tape helps ... although annoying to photoshop out!! 😆😆😆 Great to hear you are happy with the A7iii, it is still a great camera and will be for a long time, and when paired with some good quality lenses, it is sooo good. I'll have to get another peak design clip to switch shoulders!! As always thanks for watching my friend 😁👍
Thanks for the review. I recently bought a used Canon RP/RF 50mm 1.8. I just wanted to see roughly where things are at these days after too many moons not bothering with photography. I must admit I'm veering toward the RF6 MK2 but will probably stay with Canon. The RP can stay as a back up / use when circumstance is right for a small light setup/where wide and shallow is needed. Even away from the expense of two systems I doubt I would remember the functionality of another system as I won't use things enough, as a purely seldom heavy-use hobbyist. Even with my RP I'm fine after a morning (well OK light hobbyist way v you)...........I have some older EF lenses....Or maybe go with APSC which is probably bang on for much of what I want and maybe Canon won't then be best.....Decisions.....
Lol, there are always decisions in photography... and most of it is to do with kit! ... I am debating with myself as to which lens to get next, right now!! 😆 Thanks for watching James 😁👍
Seems like the two cameras expose differently. The iii looks less contrasty and a bit washed out, next to the more contrasty and slightly darker iv. Personally, I prefer the more contrasty look of the iv.
Candid, compelling content, Mike.👍 Well illustrated. YT resolution is such that I can’t tell any difference among photo sets. Hard to believe one must scroll through all menu page items to get to subsequent pages - gotta be a shorter way. (Love your choice of comic music, BTW.😂) When you exit the menu and then return to it, are you “placed” at the same point? No matter the menu struture, IMO, one gets used to it. Have you noticed any difference in dynamic range when you edit RAWs? As I recall, a recent firmware update enabled “touch screen to release shutter” - have you tried it? Cheers!
Thanks Paul! Yep, like 40s said, there are a few buttons that allow you to go through the menus more efficiently. It's the grumpy old man in me not liking change that is coming out with these new fandangled gadgets!! 😆 In a years time, I'll definitely be used to it and I'll probably end up liking it!! I haven't upgraded the firmware yet, but when I do, I'll be sure to try it out. As always thanks for watching 😁👍
I did this all on my own. The camera I used to film was the A7C which is a great camera that sits in-between these two cameras in terms of specs, but a little less user friendly with the ergonomics. Thanks for watching Mario! 😁👍
Hi Mike! Thank you for the great video! If you don't have a7iii or a7iv, which camera would you choose as your first Sony camera in October, 2022 (only for photo purposes)? Of course, the price factor is important for me as well🤔
It all depends on your budget and what you are going to be using it for. I would start with the A6000 series of camera. IF you have a small budget, the A6000 can be found really cheap second hand. If you have a bit more to spend, the a6100 is a good option. If you are looking at the A6600, you might as well go for a second hand A7iii as you would be spending about the same amount of money. Also, tamron and sigma are offering much more budget friendly lenses these days.
Great video as usual Mike, thanks! Just picked up the A7iv, but sold my a6600 kit to make it more justifiable. I know the iv will be better, but definitely worried about the size and weight changes. I'm a hobbyist, and probably wouldn't have changed if not for my infactuation with shooting my kids high school sports. The a6600 just wasn't cutting it inside a relatively dimly lit gym. Maybe in a few years I'll sell the iv and go back to apsc if sony comes out with a higher megapixel version.
Thanks very much Lou. The a7iv will be fantastic for that. Just make sure to get some fast lenses and that'll really help out. I've shot a few sporting events and the 70-200mm f2.8 is fantastic in that environment. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks Mike! I am eying up that Tamron 70-180 🤞. This will hopefully be a monumental upgrade, have been using the Sigma 18-50 2.8 because of the fast aperture, then just cropping the heck out of it.
Thank you for this review and comparison for landscape photography. I'm pretty much happy with my A7RIII but would like to get the A7RV maybe next year, if its specs are impressive for AF and color/resolution as well
Hi Mike great video as always, bought my A7111 years ago based on your advice and l love it. I pared it up with 16-35mm f4 at the time I would really like to upgrade to the 16-35m f2.8 one day. What I'm asking how is the A7111 up against A7iv for night shots sunset and night photography landscape which would be 70% of my work. I'm very happy with A7111 for low light photography most video tutorials have always said A7111 is one of the best for low/night photography with my 20m f1.8?
Hi Phil, Great to hear you are enjoying the A7iii. It is a great camera isn't it ... I still can't quite make myself sell it ... probably because it has been such a workhorse for me!! If you are happy with the A7iii, then there is no need to change it ... I'd spend the money on the GM 16-35mm instead. However, if you are struggling with the megapixels of the a7iii, or it feels like there just isn't quite enough for your editing needs ... then it would be worth upgrading ... however, it is only an incremental increase in specs for photography (that doesn't need high speed focussing systems). If I didn't shoot these videos, I'd have waited for the A7v and spent the money on higher spec lenses. I hope that helps Thanks for watching 😁👍
Good question Alex. I don't have too much of a problem with it ... There have been a couple of shots I am not happy with, but the ease of use when it comes to hiking far outweighs a couple of shots that I end up binning. Also when you close the aperture down to between f8 and f11, it does give a much crispier image. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike thanks for the review, I'm really interested to know if they differ when it comes to astro photography? There doesn't seem to be much up on youtube about this, I know you do astro photos have you noticed any difference thanks?
That's a good question. I haven't had the chance to get out under the stars recently, but I do have some videos planned for this later in the year. It's definitely about time I made an update to my astrophotography with the a7iii video... The A7iii was really good for astro, and I know this one will be great as well. You just need to have some good fast lenses to cope with the low light conditions. I hope that helps. 👍
Hey Mike!! It's ol buddy Mike from Chicago! I'm getting back into watching my favorite folks on RUclips! Great comparison video! I think that menu setup would drive me a bit nutty! Have you moved back home to the UK?
Hey Mike!! Great to hear from you! I hope all is well with you. 😁 Thanks very much. The menu is a bit frustrating but I'm sure I'll get used to it after a while longer!! Yes, I'm now back in the UK full time... Doing workshops here as well which is a lot of fun!! 😁👍
I guess if you are doing strictly only landscape photography, the upgrade wouldn't be very useful... But if you are doing anything else really, even just sometimes, the A7IV is an incredible value for the buck oO I did the change about a month ago and I don't regret it one second! My A7III is now my B-cam but, I have to admit, it's quite a pain now to have to go back on it for anything really... The A7IV is easily the best came I ever own, and it's very ideal for adapting to any situation: - Best focus - Good burst - Silent mode - Good resolution - Way better EVF - Amazing egonomy - Best camera for switching photo/video in the flick of a switch - Best video quality - Amazing active stabilisation etc etc... There is so many quality of life improvements with it, that it's probably the best investment of my entire carrier oO This is actually giving me back the thrill of enjoying photography as a hobbie and not only as work. Only downside I found so far: the focus area that stays the same in between photo and video. But there is many work around for this. For instance, using "Registered focus area" function, this allow me to keep the wide or changable focus area for video as a primary setting and the registered Tracker: Small Spot area for photography in one clic. I even found a trick that allows me to switch between 4k 25p, 4k 50p and 1080 100p in one single setting thru the quick menu, by changing the codec only (it is 3 different codecs if you use XAVC HS for 4k 50p) and it remembers the last setting used in this codec 🤩
You're completely right! As i said at the end, if you need a hybrid camera or if you use your camera for things other than landscape photography, then it is a fantastic upgrade. You re right as well about the focussing, it would be great if you could have different setups that stayed in place between photo and video. Thanks for watching Tao 😁👍
I did have to travel for 3 hours to get to these places ... but well worth the drive!! If there's no where near you, it's time to plan a photography trip!! 😀👍
Extended eye cup was a best buy for me, inexpensive game changer for the viewfinder. Camera cage gives you much better grip on the left side of the camera.The small rig half cage fits well but you have to add a plate on the side for profile shots too, which will block your hdmi port depending on the plate. I used the Neewer DC-38Q because it is the same arca style as the small rig base and is smaller profile.
Great to hear what you use. I don't really use the HDMI at all, so this isn't a problem for me, but I can see why this would stop some people who needed the HDMI. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hello, great review, I'm planning to buy this for social events(low light situations) and occasionally bird photography sometimes as a hobby, you think it fits ok for both? Autofocus is OK on low light conditions?
Hi Oscar, I'd say it would be great for that. The low light focussing is so much better than the A7iii ... although it depends on your idea of "low light" ... For bird photography, when paired with a good telephoto lens, this would be outstanding! Thanks for watching 😁👍
Brilliant video looks lovelyway up there, I will be getting the A7IV as I shoot lots of other things, but not to replace my A7III for that I will get a used A7RIII or IV for nature and landscape... I have always wondered why you don't use a R series camera for landscapes?
Great to hear! ... and I had a couple of great days out!! It's because of money for one ... and also the video functions needed to shoot these videos. If I could afford it, I would get the A7riv and have the A7iv as a filming camera ... with G master lenses as well!! 😆 ... maybe one day ... As always thanks for watching 😁👍
now that i have the a1 for wildlife, i'm thinking of getting a landscape camera. sometimes i'll hike with 2 cameras. good review but you don't mention and may have not noticed the a7iii has better iso / noise performance.
I got the L-Bracket for my A7Siii I like the flippy screen for portrait view panos mainly. As far as both settings I think identical for jpeg and for raw only would be a fair compare. But for info now you can adjust several jpeg settings for a raw images in Sony edit section of its editor like the hardest and only effects jpegs is "D-Range optimize" and it saves as a raw. It was like going from my A7s to the A7iii using AWB at night on the A7s captured atmosphere atom colors when doing Milky Ways but had to use daylight setting and cool of on the A7iii. I have two A7iii's one for the FE 12-24mm f/2.8 and the other for the 24- 240mm, and yes through the years have got most every lens Sony makes but have learned the hard way that TODAYS Software is key to any capture not so much the lens (as a hobbyist). Also good for color and exposure the datacolor spydercube or just setting with the grey dome.
Thanks for your thoughts Echo. I purposefully put the images up with mo post processing on them, and also linked the files in the description so people could look at the RAW files for themselves ... like you say, it is all about the software these days ... and I think as time goes by, it will come down more to computational photography and processing of the images. Thanks for watching 😁👍
9:31 I wish all cameras came with flip out tilt screen. Not just flip screen or tilt screen, but both. I got my used Sony A7iv for a deal too good to refuse from a dealer.
Thanks Colin ... and good question ... they are very similar in looks to be honest. And with a bit of editing skill thrown in, you can really bring the natural look out. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Flippy screens and L-brackets always get in the way of eachother ... It's funny reading the comments where people are adamant that there are ones that work, but they all compromise alot. What I've put together isn't perfect but I get about 99% of the range of the floppy screen and also the ability to mount the camera vertically. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I'd have saved my money and gone for the 42.3MP A7Riii for landscape, improvements in continous AF don't mean much and you get focus stacking which is great for landscape
thanks for the effort and the sharing. i found your vid very informative and helpful in my decision making. i use a A7R3 for my landscapes but really do not need the 42mp for my event work so i'm thinking about a A73 with it's 24mp. in your experience, does the A73 have any effective tracking capabilities in photo mode? thumbs up.
In my opinion, the A7iv is a better buy than its predecessor, just for the better body/grip, higher resolution and from your examples, produces better photos. I upgraded my A6400 to the A7R IVa and bought it new from ebay for £2500, a full £1k less than in the shops. It must be one of the best landscape cameras around.
Waiting for the A75, which I'm hoping will be a game changer like the A73 was when it came out. I need a spare camera in case my A7RIV goes down. My A73's sensor is a true dust magnet and I find myself always fixing dust spots in post so I do want to upgrade...
Mike - for those of us NOT in the United Kingdom, I would like to ask what is the Welsh location you were shooting from. At the lake overlook, you mention it is a famous shot, and yes I have seen it before, but never knew where is was. This would make planning a U.K. photography trip easier. Thanks, J.D.
No worries JD, this is in North Wales ... a place called LLyn Ogwen, overlooking Tryfan (which is the pointy mountain in the background). If you google Llyn Ogwen and look for Afon Lloer, I was basically going up this stream to the east of the lake. I hope that helps! Thanks for watching 😁👍
Did not waste of money, and was actually a very good buy. Although for landscape only I probably would've gone with a7R3 Which you can get used Even cheaper, great resolution. But congratulations.
Did you see Dave McKeegan's analysis of the RF-mount today? I think he's correct, and I see his analysis as the best one by now. So now I'm glad I didn't wait for Canon to go mirrorless! And after watching your video I'm happy I decided to wait for the a7V instead🙂
I didn't see it, but I'll have to have a watch of it. If I didn't need it for shooting these videos, I'd have probably done the same and waited for the A7v. As always thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography They will soon launch the rV, and I remember the a7III came about 6 months after the a7rIII, so I think we'll see the a7V in the first half of 2024!
I was about to upgrade to mirrorless from my 5d, and canon blocked 3rd party lenese on rf mount.so now im looking at other camps to buy. Sony seem like a really fascinating system to stay on. And your review definitely conveys the capability of a7IV. 🤔
It is frustrating the way Canon did that ... It really doesn't make sense ... I know they are trying to keep people using their lenses, but it is a bit of a dick move, and people like yourselves will start to move away from their system. I changed from Canon to Sony about 6ish years ago now and it was an interesting change ... frustrating at times, but I didn't really look back once I got used to the new system. The A7iv is a great camera and the focussing system is so good. For anything moving, it sticks to it like glue and with 33Mp, it is a compromise between the normal 24Mp cameras and the super high megapixel cameras. Thanks for watching 😁👍
The Sony A7r IIIA & IVA got high resolution screen and EVF. The A1 didn’t. Go figure. I see dedicated Landscape photographers shooting within the A7r III or A7 IV. I personally use the A7III and am happy with it except for the crappy screen and view finder. At the end of the day every camera brand has some positives and negatives. Love your content!
Exactly!! ... and it is about making full use of the positives! 😀 This was just a fun comparison ... and an excuse to go out and play with cameras!! 😆 ... and to try to work out what I like about the new camera ... The R series is very much a landscape camera and it is great that they are increasing the specs of the "entry level" A series now as well. As always thanks for watching 😁👍
.. just a question, if you are doing primary landscape, wouldnt it be better to buy A7RIII instead? Price is quite simmilar (at least in my area its priced a bit under A7IV), according to DXOMark tests it have a bit better image quality and I think for landscape photography that extra resolution might be worth it too.
Thanks for your thoughts ... I do mention that later in the video and give my reasons for having the a7iv ... Due to me being a hybrid shooter and needed the superior video quality as well as a slightly better stills camera. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I don’t have a problem with the Sony menus. I just have 2 pages of custom menus and literally everything I need is in those 2 pages. So I don’t have to search for anything. Every setting I change is within two pages. I don’t shoot video though so idk what it’s like from that perspective
The my menu is a great addition isn't it ... I have one page at the moment, but I think it is getting longer each time I go out with this camera. Thanks for watching Joseph 😁👍
7:30 you can go back by pressing to the left on the scroll wheel or click on the menu button. Then you can go to the other menus as you wish. I found it easy to use. There is no need to go trough every single setting i every menu to go to the one you want.
That is true, but I have found if you are not in the detailed list, it sometimes misses pages... which is frustrating when are looking for something but don't know where it is. The amount of custom buttons and menus on this camera kind of negates the need to do this though. Thanks for watching 👍
@@mikesphotography I've not experienced that. but if you go into certain settings you can't use the scroller wheel to go back. But I forgot which settings those were, but those were settings I won't change anyway so probably why I forgot it so easily.
I have the Lowepro 450AWii geni.us/LoweproProtactic450aw and the tripod is the Sirui carbon tripod: geni.us/Sirui-tripod-kit Thanks for watching Arik 😁👍
I have a yellow Pentax K-01 mirrorless. I love the pictures from it although the auto focus is not very good and has no view Finder. Would this be a good upgrade ? I need canon like auto focus tracking of subjects. Not interested in burst. Would this be good? Photo quality is of the most importance. Thank you.
The A7iv would be a great upgrade from the pentax. The autofocus is great when the subject stands out from the background. The photo quality really depends on the type of lenses that you use, so if you got some top quality prime lenses, this would give you some great quality images. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Look sorry to say you likely did waste your money if your a landscape photographer! Now if you do video or bird 🦅 In flight photos, you certainly didn’t waste your money. For example The Nikon Z7 is a great landscape camera for the price, with plenty of mega pixels (45) (although) you need a good lens to resolve those higher sensors) and it boast lots of dynamic range!! By the way I have a Sony A9II and I love Sony. But my Nikon Z6iI pumps out amazing looking photos.
So my A7iv was one of the ones that would front focus at smaller Apertures. Sadly the autofocus from my A7iii is more accurate in portraits. Albeit I still prefer the grip of the IV. Oh well, won't buy a second for weddings. Wasn't really the upgrade any of us has anticipated
Yes. Ironically with sony GM lenses too. It's been getting better since the updates but for a bit I couldn't really bring it on photoshoots if I was shooting at 1.4 because it would constantly focus on the nose or the ears
That is annoying. I had a sigma lens years ago that front focussed ... I ended up sending it to sigma to get calibrated and it was so much better when I got it back. Hopefully they will get it sorted soon.
You probably not going to be happy with this but the higher the pixel density, then expect the contrast to flatter than an image with less pixel density. As you have discovered “You have to adjust the highlight setting and contrast in post.
Thanks for the info Lee. I'm always happy when people contribute in the comments ... It's all good when we can learn off of eachother. Thanks for watching 👍
I’ve had my Nikon D850 now for 4 years …I recently bought a new camera 😮, what did I get - a second D850 😊I have to have a relationship with my camera and if you love you’re camera stick with it. Nikon cameras have Sony sensors and it’s why I have stuck with it
@@mikesphotography Because I’m a landscape shooter Mike I don’t need 20 frames per second. But then again occasionally when I do shit bird photography that the 850 handles really well. I know Mirrorless it’s all the rage but I’ve decided to stick with the d850. The other thing I do is shoot the mirror up mode anyway where the mirror flips up before the shutter. So essentially for a few seconds the camera is a mirrorless camera anyway. Do you think in three or four years there will be some other invention that’s not like mirrorless….
My point with the screen was that you can be quite subtle with the a7iii in just tilting it up and shooting from the hip ... Great for street photography when you're nervous about photographing people. With the a7iv, it just wider with the screen flipped out and tilted up ... Might just be a mental thing more than anything ... 🤔
Yep, but the new menus do seem like they have another layer in them making them more tedious ... and when you are looking for that one thing, it is easy to miss it when flicking through the submenus. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi, Great video as always. What happened to your A7c did you replace that one I just watched your video a year on, on it. I am thinking of replacing my original A7, enthusiast use mostly static subjects occasional grandchildren
Hi Steve, Thanks very much! I filmed this with my A7C, I still have it even though I've given it a bit of a beating it is still going strong. The only downside to the A7C is the viewfinder ... it's a little small and I never use it. I ended up selling the A7iii and keeping the A7C and the A7iv, they compliment each other well. If you have the original A7, I'd say with er the A7C or the A7iii would be great upgrades. The viewfinder is better on the A7iii, but the focussing is better with the A7C. Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Tim, I'm not a wildlife photographer, but from all reports, it would be a great camera for that. The live focus tracking is phenomenal and sticks like glue to the subject as long as it stands out from the background. Thanks for watching 😁👍
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@@mikesphotography Thanks for the always high quality content and the occasional admission that, "If Gerald Undone covered it, then it's been covered!" Hahaha
Depends on what you are going to use it for. If you are a landscape shooter, the A7riiiA but if you shoot video, moving subjects like wildlife and sports ... as well as people in motion, then the A7iv. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching 😁👍
I have both the a7iii and a7iv. For photos, they are very similar, but video on the a7iv is so much better. The only thing that annoys me about the two is the a3 holds battery charge so well when not in use, the a4 on the other hand slowly loses about 10% charge per day which is frustrating if you charge up 3-4 days before needing to shoot
Great to hear your thoughts on the two cameras Chris. That is interesting with the battery drain in the A7iv. I wonder if they will fix that in a firmware update. I completely agree that the A7iv is so much better for video. As soon as I got the A7C, I stopped filming with the A7iii, and now with the A7iv ... the A7iii sits in the drawer ... so time to sell me thinks! Thanks for watching 😁👍
I totally agree with you. Camera bodies are far less important than the lens to a degree. I am very happy with my “entry level” Nikon z5 and with the spare change I got a Leica tl2. I adapt zeiss m lenses and old but gold cheap Nikon lenses on both systems to create that 1.5 crop factor when I want it
@@mikesphotography thank you. Took a day off work due to stress and it’s been a lovely breath of fresh air just browsing your channel. I can’t imagine how tough it’s being a freelancer but your content is just so dreamy - I can’t help but smile
Ah no, stress is a killer ... when it gets too much it is the worst thing ever. I hope you start to feel better soon. Great to hear my videos have made you smile though 😁 Lots more to come ... and lots to watch already so feel free to binge watch as much as you want!! 😁 Sending you as many positive vibes as possible! 👍👍
So you didn’t waste £2500 really if as you say you shoot a bit of everything.I have both cameras and love them.I have a smallrig L bracket that allows me to use the flippy screen perfectly well and you don’t have to have it flipped out you can fold it back in so it’s not twice the width,like the a7iii….the focus is far better and for landscape photography now having the coloured focus square is amazing,it has better weather sealing,ergonomics are much better,buttons are better and the resolution is better.I love my a7iii and will never sell it but I definitely found the upgrades worth it.If your looking at buying one of these for the first time I would go with the a7iv.Especially if you shoot a variety of genres like we do.👍🏻
Thanks for your thoughts Martin. I agree if you are thinking of either of these to get the A7iv ... This was really just an excuse to get to lots of different places with my camera ... or should I say cameras!? 😆 Thanks for watching 😁👍
Fortunately currently Smallig and Atoll have created the low proflile - bracket to fit a7IV's fully articulated screen. I guess you have known that already but this video s just released before those brackets s made. Thanks for awesome video
Thanks for that, made a lot of sense, and the new focus system looked good and sticky for those Andy Warhol types, I'll stick with the a7r3 for a good while longer. Cheers.
I'd say the focussing system would work well for you. However, before spending the money, it might be worth hiring th a7iv for a gig to see if it's worth it, for you and your style of shooting. 👍
When you're hunting for a specific thing, it is easy to miss when doing that. But I did learn from other commenters that the fn button switches between main menu options and the top dial switches between sub menus. Thanks for watching 👍
Sensor dust in mirrorless cameras is a well known problem regardless of a filter on the blower; I'm not that precious and would prefer to be out in the field rather than criticising others ... but thanks for your thoughts. 🙂👍
Great comparison, Mike! I've been mulling over this upgrade but the potato quality rear screen really turned me off. I do shoot quite a bit of moving stuff and it'd be really nice if I could get a general idea if I'm completely missing focus or not without having to zoom all the way in and pan around. Seems like a worthwhile upgrade but I think I'm going to stick with my iii and grab some more glass first. Are you going to do any more real world comparisons between the two? Would love to see a focus comparison!
Thanks very much Darren! If I was just shooting as a hobbyist, I'd have waited for the A7v, and if I didn't shoot video, I would have gone with the A7riii, but the video quality is so good that I just had to get it ... and it also satisfied my G.A.S. 😆😆😆 I might have to do just that ... I haven't done a focussing video on any of the cameras properly yet, so might have to add that to the list. Thanks for watching 😁👍
As I said in your first comment on this video, I'll be testing out the A7iv capabilities with the dynamic range so keep an eye out for that video this autumn. 😁👍
Landscapes yeah I can see it not being worth it. As a nightclub and portrait hybrid shooter? This would be a fantastic camera over my a7riii simply for the low light and video options.
I recently bought an a7vi (upgraded from a6600) and its a game changer for me. Lots of customizable buttons, 33mp, and flip screen for vertical shots are one of my favorite features, but I can see why its not a worthy upgrade from the a7iii
Great to hear Joe! That would be a very worthy upgrade. It is amazing how you get used to a certain camera, but then when you have one with more functions, it makes so much more sense!!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I can see how for photography a7iv is a solid upgrade over a6000 series camera but I regret switching to A7iii from a6500. Too much weight, the body, the lens are massive and expensive. And it turns out the best content I made was with apsc camera because full frame is just to cumbersome. This is in a travel/vlog type of content context.
@@X99Zero weight of equipment its often overlooked. Im going for a FX30 and the 15mm F1.4 because of that.
@@markshirley01 i just picked up a zve10. Fx30 perhaps in a few months, and possibly get rid of full frame gear as well. The full frame experience was a painful experience , and I’m not doing photography/videography professionally
@@X99Zero certainly makes sense if your not shooting video professionally. I do shoot hybrid professionally so Im just keeping my trusty D750 for photo work. But I looked back at my paid video work over the last 8 years and thought I really don't need or want full frame for that anymore. My 2 most used focal length in video are 24mm and 50mm. So I figured the 15mm F1.4 (22.5 APSC) eould be fine and I get 34mm with clear image zoom - so I reckon the one lens will cover me.
Regarding the l-bracket issue. Smallrig l-brackets are designed to accommodate flippy screens. While details vary by camera model, the common elements are a gap in the back end of the vertical piece, plus the ability to move the vertical piece further away from camera body, further forward on the camera, or whatever combination may be required to achieve your preferred viewing angle.
I bought the SmallRig L Bracket too and agree it can be used with the flippy screen, the only downside is too it is when you go from landscape to portrait orientation there's not much for the area Swiss plate to grip onto it at the bottom.
So glad to see someone else who also uses the gyro-data to stabilize. Such an underrated feature!!
I totally agree with you ... so underrated! It amazes me everytime I process the files.
Thanks for watching Mark 😁👍
woah Mark Bennet appeared
Here's a tip, I bought the APS-c 70-350mm Sony G lens for my A7IV as a hiking lens. It is ultra light and small yet gives an amazing 525 effective zoom and a roughly 18MB picture at 4608 x 3027 thanks to the 33 MP sensor. I have the Sony 200-600mm but it is far too heavy for most uses.
Even better on the a7r iv. 26mp!
I thought I was gonna keep my Sony a7 iii as a back up cam but after using the a7 iv I don’t even want to keep that camera as a back up any longer the a7 iv is such a dramatic improvement in every way from the buttons to the software to the auto focus to the hand grip. It’s not even close. Maybe I’m weird but I don’t understand your L bracket complaint. You can keep the screen in the same position as the a7iii. Sure you can’t flip the screen out as well with one on but it’s still an added benefit/feature for when you aren’t using an L bracket.
And that's the thing with these cameras, some suit some people and some suit others.
I suppose I'm showing that I'm turning into a grumpy old man who doesn't like change 😆😆😆
I had an Lbracket for my a7c and it just got in the way of me using the flippy screen effectively in high pressured shoots ... And with the a7iv it's the same. If I have a flippy screen I want it to work properly and not be crippled by an L bracket, and this is why I've come up with what I use. It's great that you don't see it as a problem and this shows we just take photographs in different ways.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I am very satisfied with my a7iv, still the screen is not great. I use EVF when taking pictures 90% of the time.
I have never owned an a7iii, I upgraded from a6500.
70% of my photographing is landscape, the rest is birds. 33 is better than 24 when you always have to crop. As an example a7iii gives you under 11 mp i cropmode, a7iv gives you over 14.
Great to hear your setup, and that is a very worthy upgrade. I bet you really saw the difference in useability after switching from the A6500!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Yes it was a great update. AF for birds is so much better.
The only full frame lense I owned was Sony 85 1.8, so I had to buy a lot of new lenses. Two Sony (20 f1.8 G and 100-400 GM with 1.4x teleconverter), three Sigma and one Tamron.
I don't feel the need to upgrade from my a7iii, but who doesn't like new kit? I will likely have to wait for the a7v. The biggest bump in my photography right now has come from getting a nicer computer, Dell XPS 17 with a 4k display and dedicated graphics. What a difference that makes in how my images look - they're not as bad as I thought!
One thing I would like to see - that focus mapping for video but make it work for photos too. Peaking is just to hard to get right.
That's a great point Dave, a computer upgrade will help people much more than a slightly better camera. My wife just got a Dell laptop through work and she's loving it!
...and you're right, focussing aids need to develop and those tools around making the process more efficient could be made much better.
As always, thanks for watching 😁👍
I loved my a7iv more than the a7iii (for videos mainly).
Sadly, got stolen last week in London 💔
Oh man, sorry to hear that! Sucks when people take your stuff ... I hope you can get a new one soon.
The A7iv is so much better for video isn't it!
Thanks for watching 👍
I'm confident that there's an L-bracket for this like the SmallRig X-T4 L-bracket which has a slot in the side portion of the bracket where you can shove the screen and rotate it a bit.
But it still gets in the way. Having a gap is still a compromise over what the flippy screen is intended for, but thanks for your thoughts. 😁👍
I often use the A7iii and the A7iv side by side and the end results are almost indistinguishable - at least for photos, 10bit and improved colour science are huge for video.
The big change and makes the upgrade worth it in my opinion is the quality of life upgrades. Bigger more comfortable grip, better controls (separate photo and video that keeps separate settings for hybrid shooters) and the flip screen just make it faster, more comfortable and easier to use.
1) Where the heck is there a Sony shop? I need this.
2) I do think the composition was a little busy. A tight-ish crop on the hut near the center would be my preference.
3) I know this doesn't exactly address the issue at hand, but memory/recall settings can help. Maybe setting M1 to portrait, M2 to landscape and so on (I learned this from Mark Galer) can help you easily and quickly lock in an array of reasonable settings so at least you get the shot.
4) Thank you for the videos, especially the a7iv review that makes me feel a lot better about sticking with the a7iii...for now.
Edit: Something weird happened; this comment was intended for a different video (the one about mistakes we make in the field). I notice issues from time to time when casting to Roku.
Hi Cassidy,
In most big cities, there will be a Sony shop ...
You're right with the memory recall settings. The only thing I don't like about those is that if you come out of them, when you go back into them, it resets to what you initially had it at, so if the conditions change through the day, you will have to keep changing them...
Great to hear you got something out of this one.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thank you for the feedback. I know what you're saying about memory settings. It definitely doesn't fully solve the problem.
You may have noticed my reply didn't seem very relevant. I watched a few of your videos back to back (your end-of-video hook to your next video is very good btw), and somehow even though I was watching and commenting (or so I thought) on the video about the mistake we make in the field regarding settings, my comment landed on the a7iv video...very odd. It may be a buggy consequence of casting to Roku? Who knows.
No worries at all. I did think you'd watched a few videos.
That's all good. 😁👍
After watching this video I decided to buy the A74. I have the A73 and really like it, but it's no good for photographing birds or other wildlife. After watching Mark Galer's video, I understand that Sony has included many of the features from the Sony Alpha 1, which I cannot justify buying, into the A74. The advanced focus tracking alone seems well worth the price. If all I did was landscapes, I would agree with you.
Hi Jim,
For wildlife photography, the a7iv is definitely worth it.
The focus system would be fantastic for birds and other animals. A big upgrade from the a7iii.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I just side stepped from A7RIII to A7IV for small birds etc and think it's a good move.
I got to the Display Quality Setting in 16 (3 if I use the touch screen) on my A7IV (drill down, move right)...menu structure works for me (becomes intuitive over time), but I didn't need to unlearn a previous menu scheme. You still have the absolute BEST photography "how to" content I've found - Planning, composition, execution, Hardware...Yada Yada Yada; I do wish youtube had a Favorites Channel Flag), although I could "Save" a single video to a category, and back into it. Thanks... (Glass is King!)
Thanks fro your kind words Armondo.
I have gotten used to the menus now... and the great thing with these cameras is that there are so many customisable buttons that for 99% of tasks, everything is there at my fingertips.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I hate flippy screens for the reasons you mentioned, I reckon the Pentax K1 back screen is the best one out there.
A combination of the two screen designs would be great!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike, I've moved from an A7 Mk1(2016) to directly a A7RIII (2018). Until there, I've not seen any need to migrate towards the IV generation. As landscape photographer, like you, I like multiple megapixels. With 42MP, this allows a big crop and simplify the setup to bring. I mainly take the 16/35 and the Tamron 70/180 and I cover almost 95 % of images. With the big matrix and the possibility to expand the image with softwares like Topaz, the need of intermediate 50mm and also my 100/400 (sigma) is less necessary. As you said, lenses are more important to get a photo. So investing there is key. I hope you'll be happy with your new gear and I'm looking forward for new videos about your passion...
Great to hear your thoughts and what you use Patrick. I definitely think you made the right decision for landscape photography, if I didn't film these videos, I would have gone for the A7riii as well.
Lot's more videos to come ... in fact I was out this morning filming some more videos and got a cracker of a sunrise!! Can't wait to cut it together and share it with you.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
My two cameras are a7riiis. Love those cameras. For landscape, I usually take my Sony 20mm f1.8 g, Tamron 28-75 G2 and 70-180. Images are nice and clear. Like you, I use Topaz to expand the image if I cropped a bit too much. I've owned the Sigma 100-400 twice, but it just didn't seem sharp enough on the long end when shooting between 350-400mm. The Sony 100-400 is beyond my current budget. But just love the 70-180!
Thanks for sharing. I'm a hobby (mainly) landscape photographer and use a Canon 6D Mk.2. The flippy screen of that is more useful as I can rotate it fully into the cavity it came from. I do find the dynamic range and higher ISO performance poor despite using Topaz denoise. I'm looking into Sony A7 for my next camera, either the III or IV version. This is valuable input for that decision which won't happen this year anymore though.
For screen viewing you can buy a simple 'LCD viewfinder', a rubber sleeve with lens you can use to review your photos or live-view so the ambient light or glare doesn't affect the experience.
Thanks for your thoughts Bartjes,
I used to have one of those LCD viewers a long time ago for my Canon cameras when I used to shoot a lot of video. They are very good, but with these Sony cameras, the resolution is a lot lower so you still don't get the full use out of them. From the 6Dii, you would definitely see a drop in resolution if you switched.
I have a video planned in the future on the dynamic range of the A7iv ... and I might include the A7iii as well just to see if there is that much of a difference. Looking at the stats, the A7iii has a DR or 14.53 and the A7iv is at 14.7, so not that much of a difference ... the low light capabilities of the two are similar ... obviously a little better in the A7iv, but only marginally.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
for the body improvement, and new dials on the top. its a godsend for me
Good to hear Mark. 😁👍
I've been using the Silence Corner ATOLL in place of an L-bracket and have been absolutely loving it!
Hey Alyn ... I saw that a while back and it looks really interesting. Does it feel like it gets in the way or did you get used to it pretty much straight away?
P.s. Congrats on getting your book out! That thing is a beast ... everything anyone would ever need to know about astrophotography!! 👍👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks dude! It covers the lens release button a little bit but other than that, no issues. I've even been able to put my telephoto lenses on with the lens foot still on there and it doesn't get in the way.
Very cool. I did wonder about the release button...🤔 Good to hear it can fit telephoto lenses on it as well. 👍
'Enjoyed watching your channel for the first time! I use the Sony a7riii for landscape and have really enjoyed it. Recently, I've been focusing less on upgrading, but advancing my photography skills and knowledge. However, I do invest in high quality lenses. I recently read a short book called "The Lesser Photographer" which dealt with our gear obsession. He pointed out that most of the more renowned images throughout history were shot with what we would consider poor equipment today or are blurry to some extent. His points being that our obsession should be more on the story and composition of our photo than the actual gear that we use. There is no question that gear matters (dynamic range, etc.), however, I am now focusing more on getting the photo right and less attention to updating my gear.
Welcome Martin, I hope you like the videos I am making!
I have read the book "The Lesser Photographer" as well ... although sometimes when my consumer side kicks in, I keep forgetting it all and then my bank manager gets angry! 😆
You are completely right when it comes to story and composition of a photograph. If you can get this right, then you could get an amazing shot just with a smartphone.
It's all about what goes on 6 inches behind the camera.
I made a video recently about story in photography, check it out if you haven't seen it already: ruclips.net/video/cAtStE7DKf4/видео.html
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks...You produce excellent videos!
For Landscapes I find the A7RIIIa a better choice than the A7IV, but when it comes to portraits and video, the A7IV is a beast.
(is that Llyn Ogwen?)
That is definitely true. The A7riii is a beast of a camera and will be for years to come.
It is indeed Llyn Ogwen ... such an awesome place to shoot ... I try to get there whenever possible.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I still use the A7III and I've been thinking about upgrading for a while now. I sometimes shoot pics that require good and snappy af so the A7 IV would be better at that. But for landscapes I think you can use any camera you want, even 5 year old camera's do a good job at that. I have to say the images on the IV look better than the III, but nothing post processing can't fix.
Anyway, I still didn't upgrade because the slight increase in MP, AF and a flip screen doesn't justify the increased price tag for me, not to mention the more expensive cf cards for storage.
You're totally right about cameras for landscapes, the changes are marginal and you could shoot with a much older camera and get very similar results.
I purposefully left the images unprocessed in this video (probably should have mentioned that 🙈), so you can see the difference in what comes out of the camera.
As for the memory cards, I still use SD cards. I found I needed a V90 SD card for the S&Q timelapses in 10 bit 4:2:2 but that was the only thing I needed to upgrade to the faster SD card for. I'm staying away from the more expensive cards for now, but it is good that they have included the card slot to kind of future proof it a little.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Please let me know if the EVF and LCD feels old. See my top comment as of today. Thanks.
the upgrade solves problems. do you need the tilty flippy screen ? do you need the resolution (4x5 or 1x1 comps are still over 20 MP) do you need the higher amount of cropmarks ? do you need better af performance ? if you do, the upgrade is worth every penny. if you are happy with your a7iii invest in lenses or photo-trips.
... and that is pretty much what I say later in the video Strouze. You'll get a lot better when investing in yourself.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
People alway complain about the menus on these computers. It's like complaining about all the switches and dial in a Boeing 737. If you know what you're doing, you know you need them all. I agree, the old menu, the new menu same fish different side. It's digital. If you want to lose the menus get a Pentax 67, Leica M6, or go whole hog and get a 4x5 large format camera. It's still just as difficult, but analogue and not digital. 🙂 I bought the A7iv mainly for shooting my videos for YT, and it was a big upgrade form the Fuji's I was using. I shoot the A7Riv for my stills/landscape work, and film as well.
It's the grumpy old man within coming out I think. After 7 years with the older menus, it feels like a completely different system but I'm sure I'll get used to it in the end.
Thanks for watching 👍
@@mikesphotography Sure thing! I shoot the A7Riv and A7iv side by side. The two different menus are a pain for sure. One of the main reasons for me to upgrade to the A7RV, just to have the same menus regardless of which one it is! (Sony's evil plan to get me to upgrade I think... 😁)
I hope you're doing well Mike. I upgraded from A7III to A7IV as my prime camera. I'm still sporting the RX10 IV when I want some real reach. I love 'em both. I hope you get back to posting as I've always appreciated your insights.
Thankfully I didn't had to buy the A7IV. The only reasons that I have found that could favor the A7IV over the A7iii was the new EVF and the higher resolution. In the end, 500€ is a big chunk that buys better glass. Couldn't care less about the camera when I was able to buy the new Sony 24-70 GM II for a great deal.
And that is exactly my point with this video! 😀👍 Better glass is so much better than a slightly better camera!
Thanks for watching Andre 😁👍
@@mikesphotography part of the notification gang 😁 great content! Keep on going Mike.
It's always difficult to decide whether an upgrade on a camera is worthwhile, the marketing guru's will have you believing that your photography will improve massively if you buy the latest and greatest, yet we all know that this is rarely true, as you say, some new glass or a course may be of more benefit. But that 33mp sensor is a good size, not too big to make file size unwieldy yet big enough to resolve more detail than we can see with the naked eye. Nice video and some good shots of a beautiful area.
Hi Martin, it looks like a scammer bot has started posting on my account ... please ignore that comment ... I will be deleting this one asap.
Right, now I have deleted all of those scam messages, back to replying to real messages ....
You're right Martin, it is always a difficult decision to make. If I hadn't been making these videos, I probably would have waited for the A7v to come out, but the video features mean that I have 2 cameras to film consistent and steady footage with ...
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I'd agree about the menu system, I had no issue with the old style.
Hi Mike. Many thanks for the great hands on out in the field feedback/review of the A7IV as compared to the A7III! You provide great insight into photography technique and gear as always in so many of your videos! I imagine the difference in image quality between the A7c and A7IV is even smaller with respect to landscape photography as A7c has updated AF algorithms compared to the A7III. What would you say is your preference if you can only take one body out when hiking/backpacking? A7c or A7IV? A7c being smaller and lighter and having better battery life… A7IV having more megapixels, much better EVF, more custom buttons, better video features, dual card slots, touch-screen with pinch to zoom when reviewing, even better AF.
Oh, btw some additional follow up questions. I know you said you like to use the A7c to do your videos. Do you use Slog2 and color grade afterwards? You mention that you do use Catalyst Browse to stabilize from the gyro data. I’m wondering what is the more ideal approach…. Since, we have to film in a higher shutter speed for Catalyst Browse, we might not be able to follow the 180 shutter rule for video… on the A7IV, is it better to use the Active Stabilization (with crop) (not available on the A7c) and not having to deal with additional efforts with post-processing in Catalyst Browse and additional benefit of being able to follow the 180 shutter rule and film at a lower shutter speed?
Thanks so much for your kind words, I have a lot of fun making these videos ... and a comparison video is just an excuse to get out and shoot really! 😆
Ohh, that is a tricky question. Although thinking about it, I would probably go with the A7iv ... because of the EVF, the higher megapixels and all of those custom buttons giving me everything I need without going into those menus.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I love you videos Mike! Is it possible you can do a video on your layout of your A7iv. Like the custom buttons and video modes? Thank you. Keep
Up the great work!!!
Hey Gus,
Thanks very much!!
I've been thinking I need to do a video on that for the a7iv so thanks for the reminder.
I'll add it to the list and hopefully get it done and released soon.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I use both cameras A7III and A74..Menus, yes, I have the A7ii menus mastered and love them, the new ones, I can do of course, but its the adjustment I am tackling. Love them both.
Good review.
Thanks very much Jennifer! They are quite different aren't they!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Interesting review and I'm agree with you about the 7IV: for videographer or maybe wildlife photography, as well as sport photography, is good.
Thanks very much Giuseppe! It is very much a subtle upgrade for the landscaper, whereas for video and moving subjects, it is great.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I mean for videography there is fx3 and a7siii
The primitive flippy screen prevented me to upgrade. The left protruding screen makes the camera cumbersome twice as wide brutally awkward to use. The only positive with it is when you use in portrait orientation.
Another superb video Mike. Where in Wales was that? I live in Wales and haven’t been there 👍🏼
Thanks very much! This was in the Ogwen Valley in North Wales ... such an awesome place to hike and photograph!!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi sinner...😛😛😛😛😛 I am very happy with my a7III, I do not need a flip screen, I do not do sports photography, and I hold family and friends with duct tape, the only thing I would like to have on my a7III is the possibility of changing the color of the focus point , for the rest there are some of the examples that you show that seem the same, others that the difference may be due to the shadows of the clouds during the change of camera, for the rest... I'm with you it's an update for professionals.
That if... you will have to take turns the support of the camera in the backpack, otherwise your shoulders will be unbalanced... 9 megapixels more is an extra weight!
Greetings.
Haha! I always find that duct tape helps ... although annoying to photoshop out!! 😆😆😆
Great to hear you are happy with the A7iii, it is still a great camera and will be for a long time, and when paired with some good quality lenses, it is sooo good.
I'll have to get another peak design clip to switch shoulders!!
As always thanks for watching my friend 😁👍
Thanks for the review. I recently bought a used Canon RP/RF 50mm 1.8. I just wanted to see roughly where things are at these days after too many moons not bothering with photography. I must admit I'm veering toward the RF6 MK2 but will probably stay with Canon. The RP can stay as a back up / use when circumstance is right for a small light setup/where wide and shallow is needed. Even away from the expense of two systems I doubt I would remember the functionality of another system as I won't use things enough, as a purely seldom heavy-use hobbyist. Even with my RP I'm fine after a morning (well OK light hobbyist way v you)...........I have some older EF lenses....Or maybe go with APSC which is probably bang on for much of what I want and maybe Canon won't then be best.....Decisions.....
Lol, there are always decisions in photography... and most of it is to do with kit! ... I am debating with myself as to which lens to get next, right now!! 😆
Thanks for watching James 😁👍
Seems like the two cameras expose differently. The iii looks less contrasty and a bit washed out, next to the more contrasty and slightly darker iv. Personally, I prefer the more contrasty look of the iv.
Good to hear your thoughts. 😁👍
Personally, I preferred the photos from the a7iii here. I bought a used a7rii and love it. Thanks for another great video Mike 😊👍🏼
Thanks very much Lance, and great to hear your thoughts on the photos.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
Agree the photos from the A7iii are better. Not sure why, maybe a bias towards the a7iv
@@Aroundtheworld-ew6rx try editing them in raw. The a7iv let’s you push shadows up or down way more.
Candid, compelling content, Mike.👍 Well illustrated. YT resolution is such that I can’t tell any difference among photo sets. Hard to believe one must scroll through all menu page items to get to subsequent pages - gotta be a shorter way. (Love your choice of comic music, BTW.😂) When you exit the menu and then return to it, are you “placed” at the same point? No matter the menu struture, IMO, one gets used to it.
Have you noticed any difference in dynamic range when you edit RAWs? As I recall, a recent firmware update enabled “touch screen to release shutter” - have you tried it? Cheers!
the top exposure dials will scroll with menus open by page or you can go back a level and see them without as much detail.
Thanks Paul!
Yep, like 40s said, there are a few buttons that allow you to go through the menus more efficiently. It's the grumpy old man in me not liking change that is coming out with these new fandangled gadgets!! 😆
In a years time, I'll definitely be used to it and I'll probably end up liking it!!
I haven't upgraded the firmware yet, but when I do, I'll be sure to try it out.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
Fantastic comparison! I would like to know which camera used whoever filmed you while you were talking?
I did this all on my own. The camera I used to film was the A7C which is a great camera that sits in-between these two cameras in terms of specs, but a little less user friendly with the ergonomics.
Thanks for watching Mario! 😁👍
Hi Mike! Thank you for the great video! If you don't have a7iii or a7iv, which camera would you choose as your first Sony camera in October, 2022 (only for photo purposes)? Of course, the price factor is important for me as well🤔
It all depends on your budget and what you are going to be using it for. I would start with the A6000 series of camera. IF you have a small budget, the A6000 can be found really cheap second hand. If you have a bit more to spend, the a6100 is a good option. If you are looking at the A6600, you might as well go for a second hand A7iii as you would be spending about the same amount of money.
Also, tamron and sigma are offering much more budget friendly lenses these days.
Great video as usual Mike, thanks! Just picked up the A7iv, but sold my a6600 kit to make it more justifiable. I know the iv will be better, but definitely worried about the size and weight changes. I'm a hobbyist, and probably wouldn't have changed if not for my infactuation with shooting my kids high school sports. The a6600 just wasn't cutting it inside a relatively dimly lit gym. Maybe in a few years I'll sell the iv and go back to apsc if sony comes out with a higher megapixel version.
Thanks very much Lou. The a7iv will be fantastic for that. Just make sure to get some fast lenses and that'll really help out.
I've shot a few sporting events and the 70-200mm f2.8 is fantastic in that environment. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks Mike! I am eying up that Tamron 70-180 🤞. This will hopefully be a monumental upgrade, have been using the Sigma 18-50 2.8 because of the fast aperture, then just cropping the heck out of it.
Thank you for this review and comparison for landscape photography. I'm pretty much happy with my A7RIII but would like to get the A7RV maybe next year, if its specs are impressive for AF and color/resolution as well
That sounds like a good plan. It'll be interesting to see what the specs are in the A7rv.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike great video as always, bought my A7111 years ago based on your advice and l love it. I pared it up with 16-35mm f4 at the time I would really like to upgrade to the 16-35m f2.8 one day. What I'm asking how is the A7111 up against A7iv for night shots sunset and night photography landscape which would be 70% of my work. I'm very happy with A7111 for low light photography most video tutorials have always said A7111 is one of the best for low/night photography with my 20m f1.8?
Hi Phil,
Great to hear you are enjoying the A7iii. It is a great camera isn't it ... I still can't quite make myself sell it ... probably because it has been such a workhorse for me!!
If you are happy with the A7iii, then there is no need to change it ... I'd spend the money on the GM 16-35mm instead.
However, if you are struggling with the megapixels of the a7iii, or it feels like there just isn't quite enough for your editing needs ... then it would be worth upgrading ... however, it is only an incremental increase in specs for photography (that doesn't need high speed focussing systems).
If I didn't shoot these videos, I'd have waited for the A7v and spent the money on higher spec lenses.
I hope that helps
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Different question: I see you use the Tamron 28-200. The fringing on the wide end, not a big issue for you? I have the 24-105 right now, tough choice.
Good question Alex. I don't have too much of a problem with it ... There have been a couple of shots I am not happy with, but the ease of use when it comes to hiking far outweighs a couple of shots that I end up binning. Also when you close the aperture down to between f8 and f11, it does give a much crispier image.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike thanks for the review, I'm really interested to know if they differ when it comes to astro photography? There doesn't seem to be much up on youtube about this, I know you do astro photos have you noticed any difference thanks?
That's a good question. I haven't had the chance to get out under the stars recently, but I do have some videos planned for this later in the year. It's definitely about time I made an update to my astrophotography with the a7iii video...
The A7iii was really good for astro, and I know this one will be great as well. You just need to have some good fast lenses to cope with the low light conditions.
I hope that helps. 👍
Hey Mike!! It's ol buddy Mike from Chicago! I'm getting back into watching my favorite folks on RUclips! Great comparison video! I think that menu setup would drive me a bit nutty! Have you moved back home to the UK?
Hey Mike!! Great to hear from you! I hope all is well with you. 😁
Thanks very much. The menu is a bit frustrating but I'm sure I'll get used to it after a while longer!!
Yes, I'm now back in the UK full time... Doing workshops here as well which is a lot of fun!! 😁👍
I guess if you are doing strictly only landscape photography, the upgrade wouldn't be very useful...
But if you are doing anything else really, even just sometimes, the A7IV is an incredible value for the buck oO
I did the change about a month ago and I don't regret it one second!
My A7III is now my B-cam but, I have to admit, it's quite a pain now to have to go back on it for anything really...
The A7IV is easily the best came I ever own, and it's very ideal for adapting to any situation:
- Best focus
- Good burst
- Silent mode
- Good resolution
- Way better EVF
- Amazing egonomy
- Best camera for switching photo/video in the flick of a switch
- Best video quality
- Amazing active stabilisation
etc etc...
There is so many quality of life improvements with it, that it's probably the best investment of my entire carrier oO
This is actually giving me back the thrill of enjoying photography as a hobbie and not only as work.
Only downside I found so far: the focus area that stays the same in between photo and video.
But there is many work around for this.
For instance, using "Registered focus area" function, this allow me to keep the wide or changable focus area for video as a primary setting and the registered Tracker: Small Spot area for photography in one clic.
I even found a trick that allows me to switch between 4k 25p, 4k 50p and 1080 100p in one single setting thru the quick menu, by changing the codec only (it is 3 different codecs if you use XAVC HS for 4k 50p) and it remembers the last setting used in this codec 🤩
You're completely right! As i said at the end, if you need a hybrid camera or if you use your camera for things other than landscape photography, then it is a fantastic upgrade.
You
re right as well about the focussing, it would be great if you could have different setups that stayed in place between photo and video.
Thanks for watching Tao 😁👍
Landscape wherever you live looks magnificent. Nothing around here looks like that.
I did have to travel for 3 hours to get to these places ... but well worth the drive!! If there's no where near you, it's time to plan a photography trip!! 😀👍
Extended eye cup was a best buy for me, inexpensive game changer for the viewfinder.
Camera cage gives you much better grip on the left side of the camera.The small rig half cage fits well but you have to add a plate on the side for profile shots too, which will block your hdmi port depending on the plate. I used the Neewer DC-38Q because it is the same arca style as the small rig base and is smaller profile.
Great to hear what you use. I don't really use the HDMI at all, so this isn't a problem for me, but I can see why this would stop some people who needed the HDMI.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I got the a7rll for $900. 42mp. With 85mm 1.8. Very nice. No complaints.
Excellent! The Rii is such a good camera and will be for years to come.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hello, great review, I'm planning to buy this for social events(low light situations) and occasionally bird photography sometimes as a hobby, you think it fits ok for both? Autofocus is OK on low light conditions?
Hi Oscar,
I'd say it would be great for that. The low light focussing is so much better than the A7iii ... although it depends on your idea of "low light" ...
For bird photography, when paired with a good telephoto lens, this would be outstanding!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Brilliant video looks lovelyway up there, I will be getting the A7IV as I shoot lots of other things, but not to replace my A7III for that I will get a used A7RIII or IV for nature and landscape... I have always wondered why you don't use a R series camera for landscapes?
Great to hear! ... and I had a couple of great days out!!
It's because of money for one ... and also the video functions needed to shoot these videos. If I could afford it, I would get the A7riv and have the A7iv as a filming camera ... with G master lenses as well!! 😆 ... maybe one day ...
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
the results are very stunning bro.. the photos are so cool, success always bro📸📸📸
Thank you 🙌
now that i have the a1 for wildlife, i'm thinking of getting a landscape camera. sometimes i'll hike with 2 cameras. good review but you don't mention and may have not noticed the a7iii has better iso / noise performance.
I got the L-Bracket for my A7Siii I like the flippy screen for portrait view panos mainly. As far as both settings I think identical for jpeg and for raw only would be a fair compare. But for info now you can adjust several jpeg settings for a raw images in Sony edit section of its editor like the hardest and only effects jpegs is "D-Range optimize" and it saves as a raw. It was like going from my A7s to the A7iii using AWB at night on the A7s captured atmosphere atom colors when doing Milky Ways but had to use daylight setting and cool of on the A7iii. I have two A7iii's one for the FE 12-24mm f/2.8 and the other for the 24- 240mm, and yes through the years have got most every lens Sony makes but have learned the hard way that TODAYS Software is key to any capture not so much the lens (as a hobbyist). Also good for color and exposure the datacolor spydercube or just setting with the grey dome.
Thanks for your thoughts Echo. I purposefully put the images up with mo post processing on them, and also linked the files in the description so people could look at the RAW files for themselves ... like you say, it is all about the software these days ... and I think as time goes by, it will come down more to computational photography and processing of the images.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
For photography only, the combination of A9 and A7riii covers more ground than even two a7iv combined.
That sounds like a great combo. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Same menu and body design. One for speed and one for resolution. And cheaper too.
9:31 I wish all cameras came with flip out tilt screen. Not just flip screen or tilt screen, but both. I got my used Sony A7iv for a deal too good to refuse from a dealer.
Hey bro nice video
One question, which one has the more natural look?
Thanks Colin ... and good question ... they are very similar in looks to be honest. And with a bit of editing skill thrown in, you can really bring the natural look out.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
As a landscape photographer (hobbyist) I upgraded to the a7riv rather than the a7iv.
Good to hear Chris, I have used the a7riv a couple of times and it is a fantastic camera!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography So why the a7 iv?
Appreciate the tip about the l-bracket issue. That could be a game changer if one could not jury rig a better solution.
Flippy screens and L-brackets always get in the way of eachother ... It's funny reading the comments where people are adamant that there are ones that work, but they all compromise alot.
What I've put together isn't perfect but I get about 99% of the range of the floppy screen and also the ability to mount the camera vertically.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I'd have saved my money and gone for the 42.3MP A7Riii for landscape, improvements in continous AF don't mean much and you get focus stacking which is great for landscape
thanks for the effort and the sharing. i found your vid very informative and helpful in my decision making. i use a A7R3 for my landscapes but really do not need the 42mp for my event work so i'm thinking about a A73 with it's 24mp. in your experience, does the A73 have any effective tracking capabilities in photo mode? thumbs up.
In my opinion, the A7iv is a better buy than its predecessor, just for the better body/grip, higher resolution and from your examples, produces better photos. I upgraded my A6400 to the A7R IVa and bought it new from ebay for £2500, a full £1k less than in the shops. It must be one of the best landscape cameras around.
You're right, it is an incremental step up in specs and ergonomics.
That's a great find! 😃👍
Also the flip screen is a nice upgrade. Honestly every Sony camera should have one
Waiting for the A75, which I'm hoping will be a game changer like the A73 was when it came out. I need a spare camera in case my A7RIV goes down. My A73's sensor is a true dust magnet and I find myself always fixing dust spots in post so I do want to upgrade...
Mike - for those of us NOT in the United Kingdom, I would like to ask what is the Welsh location you were shooting from. At the lake overlook, you mention it is a famous shot, and yes I have seen it before, but never knew where is was. This would make planning a U.K. photography trip easier. Thanks, J.D.
No worries JD, this is in North Wales ... a place called LLyn Ogwen, overlooking Tryfan (which is the pointy mountain in the background).
If you google Llyn Ogwen and look for Afon Lloer, I was basically going up this stream to the east of the lake.
I hope that helps!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography - Thank you very much. "Local knowledge" is always helpful.
Did not waste of money, and was actually a very good buy. Although for landscape only I probably would've gone with a7R3 Which you can get used Even cheaper, great resolution. But congratulations.
That is true, the A7riii is a great camera with tonnes of resolution!
Thanks for watching Kevin 😁👍
Did you see Dave McKeegan's analysis of the RF-mount today? I think he's correct, and I see his analysis as the best one by now. So now I'm glad I didn't wait for Canon to go mirrorless! And after watching your video I'm happy I decided to wait for the a7V instead🙂
I didn't see it, but I'll have to have a watch of it. If I didn't need it for shooting these videos, I'd have probably done the same and waited for the A7v.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography They will soon launch the rV, and I remember the a7III came about 6 months after the a7rIII, so I think we'll see the a7V in the first half of 2024!
I was about to upgrade to mirrorless from my 5d, and canon blocked 3rd party lenese on rf mount.so now im looking at other camps to buy. Sony seem like a really fascinating system to stay on. And your review definitely conveys the capability of a7IV. 🤔
It is frustrating the way Canon did that ... It really doesn't make sense ... I know they are trying to keep people using their lenses, but it is a bit of a dick move, and people like yourselves will start to move away from their system.
I changed from Canon to Sony about 6ish years ago now and it was an interesting change ... frustrating at times, but I didn't really look back once I got used to the new system.
The A7iv is a great camera and the focussing system is so good. For anything moving, it sticks to it like glue and with 33Mp, it is a compromise between the normal 24Mp cameras and the super high megapixel cameras.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
The Sony A7r IIIA & IVA got high resolution screen and EVF. The A1 didn’t.
Go figure. I see dedicated Landscape photographers shooting within the A7r III or A7 IV. I personally use the A7III and am happy with it except for the crappy screen and view finder.
At the end of the day every camera brand has some positives and negatives.
Love your content!
Exactly!! ... and it is about making full use of the positives! 😀
This was just a fun comparison ... and an excuse to go out and play with cameras!! 😆 ... and to try to work out what I like about the new camera ...
The R series is very much a landscape camera and it is great that they are increasing the specs of the "entry level" A series now as well.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
.. just a question, if you are doing primary landscape, wouldnt it be better to buy A7RIII instead? Price is quite simmilar (at least in my area its priced a bit under A7IV), according to DXOMark tests it have a bit better image quality and I think for landscape photography that extra resolution might be worth it too.
Thanks for your thoughts ... I do mention that later in the video and give my reasons for having the a7iv ... Due to me being a hybrid shooter and needed the superior video quality as well as a slightly better stills camera.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I don’t have a problem with the Sony menus. I just have 2 pages of custom menus and literally everything I need is in those 2 pages. So I don’t have to search for anything. Every setting I change is within two pages. I don’t shoot video though so idk what it’s like from that perspective
The my menu is a great addition isn't it ... I have one page at the moment, but I think it is getting longer each time I go out with this camera.
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7:30 you can go back by pressing to the left on the scroll wheel or click on the menu button. Then you can go to the other menus as you wish. I found it easy to use. There is no need to go trough every single setting i every menu to go to the one you want.
That is true, but I have found if you are not in the detailed list, it sometimes misses pages... which is frustrating when are looking for something but don't know where it is.
The amount of custom buttons and menus on this camera kind of negates the need to do this though.
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@@mikesphotography I've not experienced that. but if you go into certain settings you can't use the scroller wheel to go back. But I forgot which settings those were, but those were settings I won't change anyway so probably why I forgot it so easily.
I'm waiting for the A7 V, hoping for a 40 MP sensor.
Hi, which tripod and backpack you used at that session? TNX
I have the Lowepro 450AWii geni.us/LoweproProtactic450aw
and the tripod is the Sirui carbon tripod: geni.us/Sirui-tripod-kit
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I have a yellow Pentax K-01 mirrorless. I love the pictures from it although the auto focus is not very good and has no view Finder. Would this be a good upgrade ? I need canon like auto focus tracking of subjects. Not interested in burst. Would this be good? Photo quality is of the most importance. Thank you.
The A7iv would be a great upgrade from the pentax. The autofocus is great when the subject stands out from the background. The photo quality really depends on the type of lenses that you use, so if you got some top quality prime lenses, this would give you some great quality images.
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Look sorry to say you likely did waste your money if your a landscape photographer! Now if you do video or bird 🦅 In flight photos, you certainly didn’t waste your money. For example The Nikon Z7 is a great landscape camera for the price, with plenty of mega pixels (45) (although) you need a good lens to resolve those higher sensors) and it boast lots of dynamic range!! By the way I have a Sony A9II and I love Sony. But my Nikon Z6iI pumps out amazing looking photos.
Luckily I am also a hybrid shooter! 😃
@@mikesphotography awesome!
So my A7iv was one of the ones that would front focus at smaller Apertures. Sadly the autofocus from my A7iii is more accurate in portraits. Albeit I still prefer the grip of the IV. Oh well, won't buy a second for weddings. Wasn't really the upgrade any of us has anticipated
Mine does as well. 😢
That's not good. Didi it do it with different lenses?
Yes. Ironically with sony GM lenses too. It's been getting better since the updates but for a bit I couldn't really bring it on photoshoots if I was shooting at 1.4 because it would constantly focus on the nose or the ears
That is annoying. I had a sigma lens years ago that front focussed ... I ended up sending it to sigma to get calibrated and it was so much better when I got it back. Hopefully they will get it sorted soon.
You probably not going to be happy with this but the higher the pixel density, then expect the contrast to flatter than an image with less pixel density. As you have discovered “You have to adjust the highlight setting and contrast in post.
Thanks for the info Lee. I'm always happy when people contribute in the comments ... It's all good when we can learn off of eachother.
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I like the old menu system better as well.
Haha! Some people say I am stuck in my ways ... but it just seems a little better doesn't it!! 😆
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I’ve had my Nikon D850 now for 4 years …I recently bought a new camera 😮, what did I get - a second D850 😊I have to have a relationship with my camera and if you love you’re camera stick with it. Nikon cameras have Sony sensors and it’s why I have stuck with it
Haha! Nice, if it works well for you then there's no need to change it. I hear great things about the D850.
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@@mikesphotography Because I’m a landscape shooter Mike I don’t need 20 frames per second. But then again occasionally when I do shit bird photography that the 850 handles really well. I know Mirrorless it’s all the rage but I’ve decided to stick with the d850. The other thing I do is shoot the mirror up mode anyway where the mirror flips up before the shutter. So essentially for a few seconds the camera is a mirrorless camera anyway. Do you think in three or four years there will be some other invention that’s not like mirrorless….
Love my A7iii and always have the L-Bracket on it. So that's a deal breaker for me alone. Thanks Mike!
Great to hear Joe!! The A7iii is an excellent camera and will be for years to come!!
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The screen on the a7iv can flip out. The a7iii cannot. You aren’t losing the ability to keep the screen in the same position as the iii with the iv.
My point with the screen was that you can be quite subtle with the a7iii in just tilting it up and shooting from the hip ... Great for street photography when you're nervous about photographing people. With the a7iv, it just wider with the screen flipped out and tilted up ... Might just be a mental thing more than anything ... 🤔
7:14 If you press left again you can navigate through the menu/submenu which is a lot faster.
Yep, but the new menus do seem like they have another layer in them making them more tedious ... and when you are looking for that one thing, it is easy to miss it when flicking through the submenus.
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A7iv menu scrolling. Put you finger and on the last line of the page and scroll up by sliding your finger upwards. 🤔
Thanks for the tip Bob. 👍
Hi,
Great video as always. What happened to your A7c did you replace that one I just watched your video a year on, on it. I am thinking of replacing my original A7, enthusiast use mostly static subjects occasional grandchildren
Hi Steve,
Thanks very much! I filmed this with my A7C, I still have it even though I've given it a bit of a beating it is still going strong.
The only downside to the A7C is the viewfinder ... it's a little small and I never use it.
I ended up selling the A7iii and keeping the A7C and the A7iv, they compliment each other well.
If you have the original A7, I'd say with er the A7C or the A7iii would be great upgrades. The viewfinder is better on the A7iii, but the focussing is better with the A7C.
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Thank you for the advice and the great videos
A used a7r2 would have been better then both for landscapes
Any thoughts on the a7iv for animal / bird photography?
Hi Tim,
I'm not a wildlife photographer, but from all reports, it would be a great camera for that. The live focus tracking is phenomenal and sticks like glue to the subject as long as it stands out from the background.
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Thanks for another good video. I can't see he link for the Peak design hack for camera mount?
Hi Darren ... oops, I forgot to put that one in ...
Here's the UK link for the half cage: amzn.to/3LBdm2f and here is the link for the QR plate: amzn.to/3dG1HT9 (Peak Design don't seem to be in stock at the moment but this is pretty much the same)
And here's the US link for the same: amzn.to/3Rgja2s and then the QR plate: amzn.to/3Sp7bQU
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@@mikesphotography Thanks for the always high quality content and the occasional admission that, "If Gerald Undone covered it, then it's been covered!" Hahaha
Haha! Well it's true...the master of detail coveres more than everything anyone will ever need to know!! 😆😆
Awesome video! Thank you!
May I ask you to say pretty same thoughts, but for a7RiiiA and a7iv? Pretty same price, but sooooo different
A7IV
Depends on what you are going to use it for. If you are a landscape shooter, the A7riiiA but if you shoot video, moving subjects like wildlife and sports ... as well as people in motion, then the A7iv.
I hope that helps.
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@@mikesphotography Thank you!
I have both the a7iii and a7iv. For photos, they are very similar, but video on the a7iv is so much better. The only thing that annoys me about the two is the a3 holds battery charge so well when not in use, the a4 on the other hand slowly loses about 10% charge per day which is frustrating if you charge up 3-4 days before needing to shoot
Great to hear your thoughts on the two cameras Chris. That is interesting with the battery drain in the A7iv. I wonder if they will fix that in a firmware update.
I completely agree that the A7iv is so much better for video. As soon as I got the A7C, I stopped filming with the A7iii, and now with the A7iv ... the A7iii sits in the drawer ... so time to sell me thinks!
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I totally agree with you. Camera bodies are far less important than the lens to a degree. I am very happy with my “entry level” Nikon z5 and with the spare change I got a Leica tl2. I adapt zeiss m lenses and old but gold cheap Nikon lenses on both systems to create that 1.5 crop factor when I want it
Great to hear what you use!
I went out with the a6000 the other day and got some great images as the light was so good!
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@@mikesphotography thank you. Took a day off work due to stress and it’s been a lovely breath of fresh air just browsing your channel. I can’t imagine how tough it’s being a freelancer but your content is just so dreamy - I can’t help but smile
Ah no, stress is a killer ... when it gets too much it is the worst thing ever. I hope you start to feel better soon.
Great to hear my videos have made you smile though 😁
Lots more to come ... and lots to watch already so feel free to binge watch as much as you want!! 😁
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So you didn’t waste £2500 really if as you say you shoot a bit of everything.I have both cameras and love them.I have a smallrig L bracket that allows me to use the flippy screen perfectly well and you don’t have to have it flipped out you can fold it back in so it’s not twice the width,like the a7iii….the focus is far better and for landscape photography now having the coloured focus square is amazing,it has better weather sealing,ergonomics are much better,buttons are better and the resolution is better.I love my a7iii and will never sell it but I definitely found the upgrades worth it.If your looking at buying one of these for the first time I would go with the a7iv.Especially if you shoot a variety of genres like we do.👍🏻
Thanks for your thoughts Martin. I agree if you are thinking of either of these to get the A7iv ... This was really just an excuse to get to lots of different places with my camera ... or should I say cameras!? 😆
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Fortunately currently Smallig and Atoll have created the low proflile - bracket to fit a7IV's fully articulated screen.
I guess you have known that already but this video s just released before those brackets s made.
Thanks for awesome video
The Atoll system does look like a great system. I was talking with Alyn Wallace and he swears by it!
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Thanks for that, made a lot of sense, and the new focus system looked good and sticky for those Andy Warhol types, I'll stick with the a7r3 for a good while longer. Cheers.
Haha! Indeed. The A7riii is a fantastic camera and will be for years to come so you definitely made a great decision!
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I do concert photography, often in very low light venues and constantly moving rockstars. Is it worth upgrading from a7iii to the a7IV?
I'd say the focussing system would work well for you.
However, before spending the money, it might be worth hiring th a7iv for a gig to see if it's worth it, for you and your style of shooting. 👍
@@mikesphotography thank you for the advice👍
I am predominately a wildlife photographer and the A7iv is perfect for my uses.
I bet it's fantastic for wildlife. 😁👍
Menu navigation - just go left to the category / page you want . You don't have to scroll down
When you're hunting for a specific thing, it is easy to miss when doing that.
But I did learn from other commenters that the fn button switches between main menu options and the top dial switches between sub menus.
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Also, I see the rocket blower you are using out in the field. Does it have a filter on the air intake? Seems like a good source for your sensor dust.
Sensor dust in mirrorless cameras is a well known problem regardless of a filter on the blower; I'm not that precious and would prefer to be out in the field rather than criticising others ... but thanks for your thoughts. 🙂👍
Great comparison, Mike! I've been mulling over this upgrade but the potato quality rear screen really turned me off. I do shoot quite a bit of moving stuff and it'd be really nice if I could get a general idea if I'm completely missing focus or not without having to zoom all the way in and pan around. Seems like a worthwhile upgrade but I think I'm going to stick with my iii and grab some more glass first. Are you going to do any more real world comparisons between the two? Would love to see a focus comparison!
Thanks very much Darren! If I was just shooting as a hobbyist, I'd have waited for the A7v, and if I didn't shoot video, I would have gone with the A7riii, but the video quality is so good that I just had to get it ... and it also satisfied my G.A.S. 😆😆😆
I might have to do just that ... I haven't done a focussing video on any of the cameras properly yet, so might have to add that to the list.
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I do wonder how both cameras compare with really contrasty scenes regarding dynamic range and also in low light high ISO ?
As I said in your first comment on this video, I'll be testing out the A7iv capabilities with the dynamic range so keep an eye out for that video this autumn. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography I'll just have to wait I guess but that's ok since I'm not buying a new camera tomorrow ;-)
Landscapes yeah I can see it not being worth it. As a nightclub and portrait hybrid shooter? This would be a fantastic camera over my a7riii simply for the low light and video options.
Most definitely! Especially if you are a hybrid shooter. 👍