Oof yeah. While I really do enjoy the game, that change in particular hurt. I suppose you could see if you could get rotom in the underground before the post game but I dunno if that would include the forms.
Correction for the steel type section: Steel types lost their resistance to dark and ghost in gen 6, not gen 5. The overhaul for fairy and those changes mentioned happened at the same time.
Correction of a correction: they lost it in Gen 5. I can point to numerous examples of me using an Excadrill against Ghetsis's Hydreigon and taking neutral damage from dark pulse.
Togekiss is gonna be in a lot of teams, because it's so good with Serene Grace and everything, and it's gonna murder Cynthia's Garchomp with Serene Grace Air Slash and Dazzling Gleam.
Togekiss went from an average Flying Type into one of the tankiest battlers in the whole series. Good to see Pixie the Togetic from my save file of Crystal grow so much in four generations.
Togekiss has always been known as a threatening and annoying Pokemon before Fairy when used excellently. Especially since it has various options with beneficial abilities, tank (bold or calm), offense (modest or timid) or healer can work for it (only if you focus on special attack). Been using it for so long to demolish off the back of my hand.
Togekiss has been an monster since Gen. 6. It started off great in Gen. 4. Than it was an little bit butchered in Gen. 5, but still good. And now an absolute monster in Gen. 6 thanks to it's type change and combined with Serene Grace; it's Hidden Ability, it can wreck havoc.
Btw, any pokemon with Sturdy also got an enormous buff, as prior to Gen 5, it only protected from OHKO moves like Fissure, whereas it now functions as a Focus Sash
actually it's better than a focus sash. besides the obvious reusability, it makes you IMMUNE to ohko moves, they don't take you to 1hp, they do nothing at all
I definitely intend to use Honchkrow and, among the poison types, Drapion or Roserade. Honchkrow’s Insomnia is really helpful when you don’t want to have a mon fall sleep, and Paul’s Drapion is what made me like it. Toxic Spikes and one weakness is great
As someone using an Oblivious Mamoswine, oblivious has been buffed twice. It now stops Infatuation, Taunt, And Intimidate. It's such a powerhouse. It also can set up unhindered stealth rock (no taunt), with a focus sash its monstrous ice shard makes it good as a revenge killer of garchomp/salamence
3:06 That change was actually introduced in Gen 6. Dark and Ghost were still not very effective against Steel in Gen 5. Fun fact, Gen 5 was the only time certain Pokémon (specifically, Pawniard and Bisharp) ever doubly resisted Ghost.
Yeah, I think that thing has been hyped up way too much. There's a ton of poison and steel types in addition to Candice and Volkner for Togekiss specifically.
@@yorecf9641 by the time you face Candice and Volkner you should already have a full team tho, I don't think Togekiss is overrated, it's a really good pokémon.
@@tomisaurs which means that you won't be using it for the last two gyms (possibly three with Byron and his steel types), most Team Galactic battles since they mainly use poison and steel types, Cynthia's Garchomp is tanky with Swords Dance and Poison Jab in addition to her Roserade and Lucario. I think it and really fairy types in general are being over hyped for these games specifically, not in general.
Actually in competitive, The Rotom Forms were OverUsed in gen 4, as they where good at blocking Rapid Spin. But most of them went to lower tiers after losing the Ghost Type. Also Rotom is not available in the main Story.
I know I really wanted to use it I’m so sad. I know they are faithful remakes of Diamond and Pearl but platinum did a lot of things better that I wish they continued.
Yeah ghost is generally a much better typing for it then some of it's counterparts (grass, ice, flying especially wtf), but there were also forms that rose to stardom like Rotom Heat and Rotom Wash, so it's kind of a mixed bag tbh. It's nice to have STAB on your signature move, but at the same time ghosts are just better defensively then the other types they were given outside of water. Do keep in mind that gen 5 power creep caused a lot of things in general to move down, so it's not just because they all lost the ghost type. I think Rotom Wash and Heat would be dominating gen 4 if they had their respective typings tbh. Or at least Wash would be for sure.
@@GoldenDeer_ well that is actually a bit wrong because although yes in platinum you could access the rotom forms they were event exclusive meaning if you didn't have the key that was distributed back then you could never use the forms of rotom. Although bdsp doesn't allow you to use rotom b4 the post game you can get the forms as well!
My team so far is: Torterra, Ursaring, Houndoom, Golduck, Mamoswine and Skorupi(To be Drapion)! I might swap out Golduck and Mamoswine for others later...depending on what I find
If you get a patch with a lot of grass spouting out, that is a HIDDEN ABILITY patch. It means the pokemon within has a hidden ability there is also the same logic with SHINY patches, which should stand out so you should see it I dont know if they are forever available because I was introduced to these patches watching a "how to get shinies in bdsp guide" and it required a poke radar Edit: Since a lot of people have seen this, I will also point out that when the pokemon battle zooms in on your head, it means the pokemon has at least 2 perfect IVs.
Shinies don't require the radar! It's just faster, you can definitely SR or do full odds random encounters OR shiny charm boosted masuda method (shiny charm only works on eggs which is probably a bug)
Sturdy becoming a built-in focus stash i feel is also a pretty substantial change, since i don't think there were many pokemon in a playthrough with one-hit KO moves.
@@TheHammerGuy94 Not exactly. Rock types especially Rock Ground like the Geodude and Graveler NPCs love use is still one of the easiest things to slaughter. It's slow, poor SpD, terrible combo. It has a 4x weakness to Water and Grass, a 2x to Fighting, a 2x to Ice, Steel and Ground (the last 3 aren't really prevalent early game). Early game your starter and Budew (Roselia) stomp. Later game you have a ton of awesome choices. The worst that can happen from a Sturdy rock type in game is a Self Destruct and that's later when you should be too strong to matter.
Hey Mikey, would love to see you do a video of moves with secondary unwritten effects (like defense curl + rollout) curious as to what I've been missing
Bronzong back then has only 2 weaknesses, one of them gets covered depending on the ability, which was why lucian's bronzong was a pain to deal with. Bronzong now: Luxray: HAHA CRUNCH GO BRRR you can thank the Fairy type for this change.
@@Joshua0CT4V3 As someone with facial hair it's such a struggle to get it right sometimes lmao I sort of just spend enough time on it to the point where I feel like it's close enough then move on tbh, not worth it if you have a messier style like I do. But if you're cleaner cut it does matter a little more
I can't believe they didn't use the Platinum dex for the Sinnoh remakes. IT'S SUCH AN OBVIOUS THING TO DO! They also didn't make TMs reusable, which have been the standard for 10 years. At the very least you get multiple TMs at a time, but the point is that the whole point of remakes is for them to be remade with all feature of the current generation, not most of them.
They probably flipped a coin on including a modern or old feature for each one. It seems they take a step forward and a step back throughout this game on nearly everything.
Grunty Boi's newly discovered teleportation powers could indicate he will participate in a Pokemen7 video where Mikey is present, and the excuse could be that his teleport malfunctioned
I feel the need to mention this early, but they made Cynthia's Garchomp even more difficult by giving it rough skin AND poison jab. They gave the most terrifying pokemon on her team even more terrifying, because it can counter fairy types.
Thankfully, Ice Beam only does slightly less than Ice Punch, assuming that you don’t have a nature than affects either. The one that really got shafted with the lack of Ice Punch is Weavile.
@@kaelanmcalpine2011 so that’s a maybe IF you find a Sneasel or Weavile with an egg move and IF it’s either Ice Punch or Icicle Crash (plus whenever you get them. I’m still waiting for my game to arrive). Thanks for the update.
You are the one person that I’ve seen acknowledge that Togekiss and fairies in general might not be super OP in Sinnoh. I’ve been saying for months that there are a massive amount of poison and steel types that aren’t only used by prominent trainers like Byron and Cynthia, but also make up almost every Pokémon used by Team Galactic (also, Cynthia’s Garchomp now has Swords Dance and Poison Jab).
I am saying it here: Fairy should have also been weak to bug instead of resisting it. Why would fairies even resist bug? In all the fairy and pixie tales that involve bugs they get absolutely wrecked by them and require the help of some form of chosen individual.
@@prafullasarkar4855 The prominent bug types already have an advantage against fairy (Steel types like Scizor, poison types like Venomoth, fire type Volcarona). Nothing would change for the good bugs, but the weak bugs would become a lot more viable.
@@lennartstockl5826 most people can't get scizor, venomoth is hot garbage and volcorona is like the darkrai of ghost types its very rare and one of the strongest bug types.. mons like leavanny NEED a buff.
I feel the need to comment about Sturdy, as that's also been buffed from gen 5 onward. So your Sturdy Graveler is actually useful instead of just being immune to OHKO.
As soon as I saw him taking bout poison types, I was so happy. That's my fav typing and my second platinum run was a mono poison: Roserade, Crobat, Gengar, Draping and Tentacruel.
Bronzong used to only have fire and ground as weaknesses, and one of them gets covered up depending on its ability (heatproof or levitate) now Lucian's bornzong can get rekt with Luxray's Bite attack.
Great video like always. Unfortunately immediately didn’t age well regarding platinum Dex stuff. My condolences to everyone who wanted to use a Togekiss, Gliscor, Weavile, Leafeon/Glaceon, and Rotom. I cannot believe they went with the original Diamond/Pearl Dex for the remakes.
Yeah, they maybe took 'faithful' remake a little too literal. The dex in the originals was always an issue, wish ILCA had recognised this!* *Still having fun though
i saw someone using a houndoom on their team, which wasn’t available in D/P. so surely it’s not completely just the original D/P dex? is ponyta still the only fire type outside of chimchar? can you get gible after the second gym or do you need strength like in D/P?
@@mohbius2 It could be due to the grand underground but even then according to Serebii some pokemon are still locked to the national dex. Maybe they traded it in from a friend?
i got my togepi before the second gym in the grand underground same for the other pokemon in the comment except leafeon & glaceon since sadly you can't get eevee until the post-game
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For my play through I’m completely changing my team (except for the starter, which will be a Chimchar named Monke) for each gym, then having a mismatch team for the elite four, should be interesting
Infernape got a massive buff. Chimchar can learn powerup punch before evolving to a Monferno. And since Infernape's hidden ability is Iron fist, that means you'll have a 60 - 70 based power attack with an attack booster. That is awesome !!! Definitely going to breed for one !!!
I was surprised that Rotom Wash got an amazing buff which gave him the ability Levitate and changing it's types to Electric/Water meaning that it is only weak to Grass.
Most of the Pokemon I wanted to use for my team are still post game(even in the Grand Underground) The team I intended to have is; Empoleon, Gallade, Rotom Heat, Mamoswine, Tangrowth and Yanmega (Most of these guys are apparently only in post-game, any suggestions please share!)
Try one of Houndoom, Roserade, Vespiquen and or Honchcrow and if you can’t get Gallade (for some reason) try Medicham (used it on my DP team it wasn’t bad)
Pokémon with hidden abilities and egg moves and increased IVs can be found in the grand underground. I have managed to catch a perfect attack oriented Bidoof with the ability Simple and the move Skull Bush. With a power herb my Bidoof can gain a double defense stack and additionally deal massive STAB damage in one turn. Plus the double defenses can be further boosted with the move curse
On another note, yes, some Gym leader rematch after entering to Hall of Fame the first time (and therefore national Pokedex?) Their pokemon will have hidden abilities if it is considered better. In Roark's full team for example, his Ramparados has Sheer Force (since Mold Breaker is announced if the pokemon has this ability, but not Sheer Force)
Hi Michael I just had an idea for a future video, "If Alola had Gym Leaders" or "If Galar had an Elite Four". Tbh I really liked that I would like to see those Gyms on Alola mentioned by profesor Kukui (probably mixed with the Trials so the alolan tradition wouldn't be left out) and in Galar's case althought I loved the Championship I always felt that there was missing an elite four (althou we fight four gym leaders). In that case what I would have done is that you had to defeat the elite four when you became a finalist so they could see you were on "their" level to compit for the Champion title, so there could been more fights to get to fight the Championship, kinda like it was on the anime where there were like 5-6 battles to select the new champion.
I have a great team planned but with the moves, nerfs to steel types and the types you face in game, I'm so looking forward to using Misdreavus and its evolution in shining pearl
Thought of boxing my starter but after it turned out to be Adamant, I changed my mind. My team so far (Just beat the 3rd gym): -Torterra -Luxray -Houndoom -Gardevoir -Scyther Once I can catch a Wingull, I'll add Pelipper on my team to round it all out. Still gotta evolve my Scyther through trading, though. I plan to use a Togekiss in the postgame, though.
Honestly Mikey you should take so much pride from your ad clips 😂 you are literally the only person who's ads I don't skip and I can guarantee I'm not the only one
Yeaah I remember that I always thought Bronzong was really annoying! Because of not being weak to dark type attacks. Especially when you don't choose Chimchar as a starter there was quite a lack of fire types.
I was so confident going up against Cynthia’s garchomp with my togekiss and then it pulled out poison jab, had to pivot between it and magnezone so it would use EQ and poison jab until it ran out of EQ pp, earning me the win even tho I was under levelled
My team consists of: Empoleon, Roserade, Togekiss, Houndoom, Luxray. I haven't thought about the 6th member. I feel empty as 15 years ago, that 6th Member is a Bibarel as my HM go-to lol
Poison type as a whole plays a role of trickster/debuffer meaning they were best known for using status moves and afflictions. Why else do you think crobar knows confuse ray, mean look and poison fang or teach it toxic via TM. I don't know if they changed dramatically the moveset of some Pokémon but poison and dark Pokémon were best built for using status moves. and yes i know since gen 4 there were dozen of changes like power creep, physical/special split, actual moves but sometimes i think you should at least try something that is not entirely offensive moves. Some find these tactics fun but I me not so much. Keep making videos Mikey your content is great.
honestly Mr. Mime's fairy acquisition was the biggest one for me. I absolutely forgot about it and that changed (my first) fight with Lucian for the much worse. I ended up losing to Lucian and tried the E4 again with my brain working that time hell though I have to say, I never struggle with the Elite 4 or Champion anymore but BDSP's gave me a run for my money. Hell I only beat Cynthia because I stalled the hell out of her Milotic with Dry Skin Toxicroak and used that time to not only deplete her PP and Full Restores but to heal my own team lmao. Even despite that though only Gyarados was still standing when Garchomp went down this morning
I really enjoy the improved situation for flygon. Defog’s updates in regards to removing entry hazards gave more versatility to countering that set up along with its levitate ability. Dragon Tail can forcefully remove stat boosted pokemon or disrupt other strategies. Iron Tail and Steel Wing can deal with its remaining fairy type and ice weakness. STAB Earthquake is…we all know the earthquake it until it dies strat. The biggest cherry on top though is its stats being relatively sufficient with less pokemon available from later generations, so there’s a lower pool to contest against its 100 base speed and 100 base attack combination. It’s not perfect, but it feels nice.
Gosh. I love how people are thinking about competitive and battle capabilities of each pokemon and when I decide on which pokemon I put on my team the only thing (aside of type if doing mono type runs or other kind of mono runs) I'm taking into account is the pokemon look.
Same lol. I couldn't care less about the competitive scene in Pokémon. I've never once done an online battle despite being able too whenever I want, and only battled like once or twice with a link cable back in the Red/Blue days.
Don't discount Simple Bibarel. It got Swords Dance in Gen 7, so 1 turn +4 Attack, plus Double Team giving +2 Evasion. It also gets Defense Curl (effectively becomes Iron Defense) and Amnesia, which gives +4 Sp. Def.
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 While Moody itself was banned (not for being broken, but for being "uncompetitive" aka luck-based), Bibarel never got past UU in gen 4 (before it had moody). It quickly fell over the next two gens to PU. All uses I could find were as Simple Sweepers or the occasional Baton Pass receiver.
My original team was supposed to have a Rotom, but sadly it's locked behind the National Dex and can't be obtained early like in Platinum. But this turned out alright because I found an Absol in the underground before the third gym, which I definitely intend to use
I think the biggest buffed fairy type since Gen 4 is Clefable. It already had Magic Guard in Gen 4, and now gets Stored Power (as of Gen 5), as well as becoming Fairy Type. Competitive players know all about this, and Clefable has been an amazing pokemon since Gen 6.
actually: It's pretty common for 2 generations of pokemon for 1 console generation. since BW and DP was on the DS, it was impractical to have hoenn remakes on the same console, since there will be too many games on one console. and it was originally the case for Gen 1 and 2 gen 9 will still be on the switch whenever that will be.
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No. I don't think I will.
sorry but no
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So I guess you known that rotom is but to how it was in normal d/p by now
You can get hidden abilities using the Poke Radar
It’s ok furret, you can stop walking on the escalator now.
Furret is buff now
He probably has the strongest legs
Lol. I watched that for an hour straight
zad😢
Didn't want to like cuz it was at 69
"I'm fairly confident the Rotom change will carry over"
aged like fine milk
Oof yeah. While I really do enjoy the game, that change in particular hurt. I suppose you could see if you could get rotom in the underground before the post game but I dunno if that would include the forms.
shame, i would've loved to use a Rotom :( probably Rotom oven form since i need a fire type (I have a LOT of ice weaknesses)
oh well...
@The High Ground they did say it'd be a "fateful remake" are ANY of us surprised platinum stuff isn't in the game?
I was getting excited on being able to use Rotom Wash of all pokemon as my water core
I'm still sad about this
Correction for the steel type section: Steel types lost their resistance to dark and ghost in gen 6, not gen 5. The overhaul for fairy and those changes mentioned happened at the same time.
Correction of a correction: they lost it in Gen 5. I can point to numerous examples of me using an Excadrill against Ghetsis's Hydreigon and taking neutral damage from dark pulse.
@@vanguardbreaker8826 according to several google searches, it was indeed gen 6(x and y), unless you got video footage to back that claim.
@@vanguardbreaker8826 You are wrong, my Metagross on Pokemón Black takes neutral damage from Dark moves
@@alvarojimenez2057 It’s a steel and psychic type idiot. Of course it will take neutral damage from dark moves.
@@vanguardbreaker8826 i feel your embarrassment.
“Togekiss is the perfect counter to Cynthia’s garchomp” *Garchomp uses poison jab*
Cynthia 3 casually being the hardest trainer in the series with what is basically a competitively viable team
I legit beat her entire team with garchomp and 2 sword dances
@@asuraXTC good for you 🍪
@@asuraXTC Lucky you. Doesn't make her easy
all I did was lvl up to 66 before I entered the league. Easy claps from there, although one day I’ll go back and beat it without ‘cheating’.
The buffs to inner focus, oblivious, etc. against intimidate are amazing. Was an excellent balancing choice by the Pokémon company
what a bad choice
@@theretron3856 How so?
Togekiss is gonna be in a lot of teams, because it's so good with Serene Grace and everything, and it's gonna murder Cynthia's Garchomp with Serene Grace Air Slash and Dazzling Gleam.
Shame you cant use it before the E4
@@donnatroy5381 Yes you can, Togepi is in the underground. I have one on my team!
Her garchomp has poison jab and swords dance
Cynthia gave a potion to defeat herself brutally
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
Spoilers below
Garchomp has poison jab
Togekiss went from an average Flying Type into one of the tankiest battlers in the whole series. Good to see Pixie the Togetic from my save file of Crystal grow so much in four generations.
Togekiss has always been known as a threatening and annoying Pokemon before Fairy when used excellently. Especially since it has various options with beneficial abilities, tank (bold or calm), offense (modest or timid) or healer can work for it (only if you focus on special attack). Been using it for so long to demolish off the back of my hand.
If possible, you should transfer Pixie to gen 8. Using an old Pokemon on a modern team feels awesome, and brings back a lot of the nostalgia
@@zyggybaranowski6852 I might do that whenever I get SWSH. I've watched Gen 8 Competitive play so I now know how strong Togekiss is.
@@azurneon is it in the original game cartridges then I am sorry ,no way to let them out
Togekiss has been an monster since Gen. 6. It started off great in Gen. 4. Than it was an little bit butchered in Gen. 5, but still good. And now an absolute monster in Gen. 6 thanks to it's type change and combined with Serene Grace; it's Hidden Ability, it can wreck havoc.
I’m surprised you didn’t touch upon sturdy. Sturdy is such a good ability and the change in Gen 5 makes it so much better than it used to be.
@Mega and toxic
I mean if a pokemon on your playthrough team is OH-KOed and triggering sturdy then you're probably not where you should be
Bro sturdy is so annoying during grinding though
What yo pfp from
@@christianjacobs4901 not really you need to break it
3:06
Little correction: The Steel-type lost those resistances in gen 6, not 5.
Btw, any pokemon with Sturdy also got an enormous buff, as prior to Gen 5, it only protected from OHKO moves like Fissure, whereas it now functions as a Focus Sash
actually it's better than a focus sash. besides the obvious reusability, it makes you IMMUNE to ohko moves, they don't take you to 1hp, they do nothing at all
@@X2Brute where do you see that at? According to all the pokemon resources, it doesnt list immunity to ohko moves.
@@sirplayalot11x Which resources are you using? Immunity to OHKO moves was listed on all 4 I checked.
@@sirplayalot11x My Aggron didn't get affected by a higher level Cryogonal's Sheer Cold in my B2 playthrough.
I definitely intend to use Honchkrow and, among the poison types, Drapion or Roserade. Honchkrow’s Insomnia is really helpful when you don’t want to have a mon fall sleep, and Paul’s Drapion is what made me like it. Toxic Spikes and one weakness is great
If someone likes Drapion and Honchkrow that person gets my automatic respect
Thank you! I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like them! Although, I feel bad for Honchkrow though. If it has Insomnia, how does it sleep?
@@donovan802 It can still sleep if mold breaker or another ability is used on it.
RESPECT
I kinda feel stupid for asking this but is it actually 1 weakness? Since I thought poison/dark is weak to fighting and ground
Mikey: "A lot of these Pokemon were good even before this change!"
(Casually gets rid of Dustox)
Dustox can be a brutal tank, with moonlight, iron defense, quiver dance and bug buzz, I swipe entire teams with it
Dustox falls off hard in the late game, but is insanely good through the first 4 gyms or so
rip funny moth
As someone using an Oblivious Mamoswine, oblivious has been buffed twice. It now stops Infatuation, Taunt, And Intimidate. It's such a powerhouse. It also can set up unhindered stealth rock (no taunt), with a focus sash its monstrous ice shard makes it good as a revenge killer of garchomp/salamence
I only understand 50% of what you just said, but that sounds amazing. Is that its hidden ability?
@@ipplays8617 no, it’s a standard one. Thick Fat is Mamoswine’s hidden ability.
@@yorecf9641 ok, thanks for sharing
@@ipplays8617 you’re welcome.
@@yorecf9641 lol thick fat is alot better in specific battle specially in nuzlockes
Vespiquen has still been nurfed as it no longer has one of its many signature moves Heal Order. This move needs to be added back into the games.
3:06 That change was actually introduced in Gen 6. Dark and Ghost were still not very effective against Steel in Gen 5. Fun fact, Gen 5 was the only time certain Pokémon (specifically, Pawniard and Bisharp) ever doubly resisted Ghost.
Togekiss: Hey, old man! Give me everything
Garchomp: Ah! Call the ambulance! Call the ambulance *pulls out Poison Jab* but not for me!
Just use a Mismagius with Dazzling Gleam
Yeah, I think that thing has been hyped up way too much. There's a ton of poison and steel types in addition to Candice and Volkner for Togekiss specifically.
@@yorecf9641 by the time you face Candice and Volkner you should already have a full team tho, I don't think Togekiss is overrated, it's a really good pokémon.
@@tomisaurs which means that you won't be using it for the last two gyms (possibly three with Byron and his steel types), most Team Galactic battles since they mainly use poison and steel types, Cynthia's Garchomp is tanky with Swords Dance and Poison Jab in addition to her Roserade and Lucario. I think it and really fairy types in general are being over hyped for these games specifically, not in general.
@@yorecf9641 Togekiss can learn Aura Sphere. The only Pokémon on Candice's team it fears is Froslass.
Actually in competitive, The Rotom Forms were OverUsed in gen 4, as they where good at blocking Rapid Spin. But most of them went to lower tiers after losing the Ghost Type. Also Rotom is not available in the main Story.
I know I really wanted to use it I’m so sad. I know they are faithful remakes of Diamond and Pearl but platinum did a lot of things better that I wish they continued.
Yeah ghost is generally a much better typing for it then some of it's counterparts (grass, ice, flying especially wtf), but there were also forms that rose to stardom like Rotom Heat and Rotom Wash, so it's kind of a mixed bag tbh. It's nice to have STAB on your signature move, but at the same time ghosts are just better defensively then the other types they were given outside of water. Do keep in mind that gen 5 power creep caused a lot of things in general to move down, so it's not just because they all lost the ghost type. I think Rotom Wash and Heat would be dominating gen 4 if they had their respective typings tbh. Or at least Wash would be for sure.
@@GoldenDeer_ well that is actually a bit wrong because although yes in platinum you could access the rotom forms they were event exclusive meaning if you didn't have the key that was distributed back then you could never use the forms of rotom. Although bdsp doesn't allow you to use rotom b4 the post game you can get the forms as well!
@@PkmnTrainerEmerald that isn’t wrong because the og Diamond and Pearl didn’t let you change his form at all, there was no special item or anything
My team so far is: Torterra, Ursaring, Houndoom, Golduck, Mamoswine and Skorupi(To be Drapion)! I might swap out Golduck and Mamoswine for others later...depending on what I find
Hello fellow ursaring user
@Just Some Guy with a Beard that's a great team
I love your team, it's original and seems fun
So bad, how do you not pick sinnoh natives 🥲
Mine will hopefully be
Infernape
Yanmega
Steelix
Raichu
Weavile
Golduck
“Yours is exquisite.”
“Thanks! Yours is.. okay.”
*realizes they’re the same person*
Unfortunately, Rotom ended up being a post-game encounter in Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. :( Does this disappoint anyone else?
Welp…
Yes... among MANY other things...
@@DVCMiller AMONG US
Post game unless you have the sheer determination to fill the dex beforehand :b
no
I got to the part about Rotom almost certainly being available before the National Dex and started laughing. Then I started crying.
Right? Hahaha
If you get a patch with a lot of grass spouting out, that is a HIDDEN ABILITY patch. It means the pokemon within has a hidden ability
there is also the same logic with SHINY patches, which should stand out so you should see it
I dont know if they are forever available because I was introduced to these patches watching a "how to get shinies in bdsp guide" and it required a poke radar
Edit: Since a lot of people have seen this, I will also point out that when the pokemon battle zooms in on your head, it means the pokemon has at least 2 perfect IVs.
Shinies don't require the radar! It's just faster, you can definitely SR or do full odds random encounters OR shiny charm boosted masuda method (shiny charm only works on eggs which is probably a bug)
@@lambybunny7173 OK TY
Is it available pre-postgame? I wanna try moxie honch in my playthrough
@@blastmole299 no
@@minothemandarin5167 I see, thanks for the info, back to insomnia honchkrow then
Sturdy becoming a built-in focus stash i feel is also a pretty substantial change, since i don't think there were many pokemon in a playthrough with one-hit KO moves.
Yeah it was pretty much a useless ability before it became a focus sash in gen 5
and rock type gyms are now a legitimate challenge. all gym trainers will at least score 1 hit on you before getting rekt.
@@TheHammerGuy94 Not exactly. Rock types especially Rock Ground like the Geodude and Graveler NPCs love use is still one of the easiest things to slaughter. It's slow, poor SpD, terrible combo. It has a 4x weakness to Water and Grass, a 2x to Fighting, a 2x to Ice, Steel and Ground (the last 3 aren't really prevalent early game). Early game your starter and Budew (Roselia) stomp. Later game you have a ton of awesome choices. The worst that can happen from a Sturdy rock type in game is a Self Destruct and that's later when you should be too strong to matter.
Hey Mikey, would love to see you do a video of moves with secondary unwritten effects (like defense curl + rollout) curious as to what I've been missing
I like how Cynthia's Garchomp BDSP has it's hidden ability
But not a mega stone
@@omarmendez0402well yeah duh
Steel nerf with Dark and Ghost types wasn't in Gen 5, that was also a Gen 6 change
That was in gen V not VI
@@allingbrodniak8819 Look it up on Bulbapedia, it was a Gen 6 change. Steel still resisted Dark and Ghost in Gen 5. MandJ was wrong.
@@allingbrodniak8819 it was indeed in Gen 6
@@allingbrodniak8819 nope it was gen 6
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He mentions his beard.
“I must say yours is exquisite”
Wow, the fairy type must be a good type to cover in the “then vs now” series
I was hoping for Fire.
I like how mikey and grunty boi have the same beards
@@hhee4123 It'd be kind of hard for them to have different beards, unless he shaved between shooting them, and just shaved more after.
Fairies were added in gen 6
The video would be 4mins at max
@Hachimal Abuse As Gaben told me, it would be Alyx minutes
Bronzong back then
has only 2 weaknesses, one of them gets covered depending on the ability, which was why lucian's bronzong was a pain to deal with.
Bronzong now:
Luxray: HAHA CRUNCH GO BRRR
you can thank the Fairy type for this change.
That's where you're wrong. Since Cynthia switched her Garchomp's Flamethrower, she now has no answer to Levitate Bronzong besides spamming SD.
As someone who has always loved togekiss (even before it got fairy type), I'm so glad it's getting buff and loved as it deserves :)))
I’ve never liked it even before Gen 6.
@Bronwyn Roberts this comment was made a year ago lol
Loving Togekiss is very valid
I’d love to use togekiss. One of my favourite mons, and I am so happy it was buffed back in gen 6
@Frozen Music ♪ shut up
@Frozen Music ♪ bruh go away but hey for one moment I thought you would try to rickroll me
Same
Yea
too bad they didn't use the raised platinum dex cuz now togekiss is post game
Man seeing him in his beard makes me happy and feel weird at the same time
He has grown up 😎😎😎
He has become Chad Mikey.
Next is seeing him with a moustache
He needs to fix his shave a bit... the left and right side don't match... even with an asymmetrical face, you can make it match 😭
Same dude!!!
@@Joshua0CT4V3 As someone with facial hair it's such a struggle to get it right sometimes lmao I sort of just spend enough time on it to the point where I feel like it's close enough then move on tbh, not worth it if you have a messier style like I do. But if you're cleaner cut it does matter a little more
I can't believe they didn't use the Platinum dex for the Sinnoh remakes. IT'S SUCH AN OBVIOUS THING TO DO! They also didn't make TMs reusable, which have been the standard for 10 years. At the very least you get multiple TMs at a time, but the point is that the whole point of remakes is for them to be remade with all feature of the current generation, not most of them.
Whole point of remakes to remake the fucking game. It doesn’t matter if it includes new features. It matters if it includes old features.
You seem like quite the old feature yourself, joined in 2011.
@@dropfish3109 All other remakes have new features like megas and held items there’s any motive to do this that they did in BDSP
They probably flipped a coin on including a modern or old feature for each one. It seems they take a step forward and a step back throughout this game on nearly everything.
@@IslarfPokemon that’s every remake, sadly. Just look at how much easier ORAS is compared to RSE.
Michael is the only person who can make a Raid sponsorship entertaining
Also the Internet Historian
Grunty Boi's newly discovered teleportation powers could indicate he will participate in a Pokemen7 video where Mikey is present, and the excuse could be that his teleport malfunctioned
Garchomp: I fear nothing but that thing
*looks at a spiky egg*
Garchomp: *it scares me*
Cynthia's Garchomp has Poison Jab now.
@@primrosevale1995 oh yes that's pretty op
also, It swapped out Giga impact for swords dance.
why do a strong move once every 2 turns, when EVERY move can be strong?
I feel the need to mention this early, but they made Cynthia's Garchomp even more difficult by giving it rough skin AND poison jab.
They gave the most terrifying pokemon on her team even more terrifying, because it can counter fairy types.
But ironically not Ice types.
Would be better if it had Iron Head 😂
And Swords Dance and an Ice Berry
@@AshenDust_ Hit it more than once with an Ice type.
@@primrosevale1995 you’ll probably be able to 2 hit KO it with a neutral or 2x super effective move, so what’s the point of using an ice move?
I think it’s worth noting that certain Pokémon were nerfed because of the absence of move tutors. Floatzel for example no longer has ice punch.
Thankfully, Ice Beam only does slightly less than Ice Punch, assuming that you don’t have a nature than affects either. The one that really got shafted with the lack of Ice Punch is Weavile.
Technically, they were nerfed from Platinum. Diamond and Pearl didn't have move tutors either.
If you have a male Floatzel and female Shinx, you can breed Ice Fang onto Luxray.
@@yorecf9641 I mean you can apparently get egg moves from the Underground, so Ice Punch is still possible without breeding it seems.
@@kaelanmcalpine2011 so that’s a maybe IF you find a Sneasel or Weavile with an egg move and IF it’s either Ice Punch or Icicle Crash (plus whenever you get them. I’m still waiting for my game to arrive). Thanks for the update.
Sweeper expert belt Togekiss was my lead in OU back in 4th gen, and was insane. Hopefully fairy weaknesses don't end up bringing it down
You are the one person that I’ve seen acknowledge that Togekiss and fairies in general might not be super OP in Sinnoh. I’ve been saying for months that there are a massive amount of poison and steel types that aren’t only used by prominent trainers like Byron and Cynthia, but also make up almost every Pokémon used by Team Galactic (also, Cynthia’s Garchomp now has Swords Dance and Poison Jab).
That beard on Mikey, been growing into a rainforest XD
Everyone : BDSP is amazing
Me : Mikey now has a beard ??!?
BeardJTV
I am saying it here: Fairy should have also been weak to bug instead of resisting it.
Why would fairies even resist bug? In all the fairy and pixie tales that involve bugs they get absolutely wrecked by them and require the help of some form of chosen individual.
AND in this way bug types aren't useless..
@@prafullasarkar4855 The prominent bug types already have an advantage against fairy (Steel types like Scizor, poison types like Venomoth, fire type Volcarona).
Nothing would change for the good bugs, but the weak bugs would become a lot more viable.
@@lennartstockl5826 most people can't get scizor, venomoth is hot garbage and volcorona is like the darkrai of ghost types its very rare and one of the strongest bug types.. mons like leavanny NEED a buff.
@@prafullasarkar4855 VENOMOTH IS HOT GARBAGE?
What are you talking about?
Venomoth has more usage than Metagross and Raikou.
It is gen 7 UU.
@@prafullasarkar4855 Venomoth is far from trash. You just don't know how to use it.
I feel the need to comment about Sturdy, as that's also been buffed from gen 5 onward. So your Sturdy Graveler is actually useful instead of just being immune to OHKO.
As soon as I saw him taking bout poison types, I was so happy. That's my fav typing and my second platinum run was a mono poison: Roserade, Crobat, Gengar, Draping and Tentacruel.
Grunty Boi's dances are getting better ( this one fav so far)
I was going to use Rotom on my team, but then I found out they decided to make it POST GAME ONLY, so I have to basically rearrange a lot of my team
He didn’t ignore Grunty Boi this time. Something weird is going on……
Mikey admit to being grunty boi best friend
Impossible
I think it's because of the beard he's growing. It's kinda strange with how long he's been shaved
He’s getting older now
Steel got buffed and nerfed at the same time. In gen 5, steel still resisted dark and ghost.
Bronzong used to only have fire and ground as weaknesses, and one of them gets covered up depending on its ability (heatproof or levitate)
now Lucian's bornzong can get rekt with Luxray's Bite attack.
Great video like always. Unfortunately immediately didn’t age well regarding platinum Dex stuff. My condolences to everyone who wanted to use a Togekiss, Gliscor, Weavile, Leafeon/Glaceon, and Rotom. I cannot believe they went with the original Diamond/Pearl Dex for the remakes.
Yeah, they maybe took 'faithful' remake a little too literal. The dex in the originals was always an issue, wish ILCA had recognised this!*
*Still having fun though
i saw someone using a houndoom on their team, which wasn’t available in D/P. so surely it’s not completely just the original D/P dex? is ponyta still the only fire type outside of chimchar? can you get gible after the second gym or do you need strength like in D/P?
@@mohbius2 It could be due to the grand underground but even then according to Serebii some pokemon are still locked to the national dex. Maybe they traded it in from a friend?
@@nicholasblessing4457 you can catch half of the platinum dex Pokemon prior to the second gym using the underground, including houndoom
i got my togepi before the second gym in the grand underground same for the other pokemon in the comment except leafeon & glaceon since sadly you can't get eevee until the post-game
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The funny thing about it completely walling Garchamp is that... Cynthia is the one you gives you the Togepi egg 😂😂😅
Yeah she doesn't give you the egg this as Thats underground now
Unfortunately its only on platinum lol
The Sasquatch soap is really working it’s turning him into one, and I love it nice beard :)
For my play through I’m completely changing my team (except for the starter, which will be a Chimchar named Monke) for each gym, then having a mismatch team for the elite four, should be interesting
Infernape got a massive buff. Chimchar can learn powerup punch before evolving to a Monferno. And since Infernape's hidden ability is Iron fist, that means you'll have a 60 - 70 based power attack with an attack booster. That is awesome !!! Definitely going to breed for one !!!
Iron fist is only a 20% boost, so powerup punch only becomes 48 base power. It's still a decent move, but iron first doesn't do that much for it.
@@GrrumpyPants shoot i didn't realize that ^^;. My mistake. Thanks for the info !!!
Except that Infernape’s actual ability is Blaze and there is no way to get a starter with a hidden ability
I was surprised that Rotom Wash got an amazing buff which gave him the ability Levitate and changing it's types to Electric/Water meaning that it is only weak to Grass.
The fact that Grunty Boi can teleport means that none of us are safe
Grunty Boi’s the kind of guy to sell his remote to buy a TV
I need this i end up having so much overlap on basic play through teams lmaooo
Togekiss in Gen 4: Call the ambulance
Togekiss in Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl: But not from me 😎
Actually, Grunty Boi teleporting to Mikey's house isn't so farfetched because Team Rocket uses warp panels in their hideouts
My team currently is:
Monferno
Luxio
Bibarel
Graveler
Dustox
Murkrow
By the way, I love the beard.
How good is Bibarel aside from being an HM master?
@@tvbnine793 With its Simple ability, it has sweeping potential with Swords Dance.
@@IceRuby-ur4zl Bruh I need a Switch so I can reforge my childhood! Gen 4 is one of the best Pokemon Gens imo
@@tvbnine793 There is emulation, but eh, I'd ask you to wait a month or two
@@chris07 what emulator for switch
Correction: Steel types lost their resistance to Ghost & Dark types in Generation 6
Most of the Pokemon I wanted to use for my team are still post game(even in the Grand Underground)
The team I intended to have is; Empoleon, Gallade, Rotom Heat, Mamoswine, Tangrowth and Yanmega (Most of these guys are apparently only in post-game, any suggestions please share!)
Try one of Houndoom, Roserade, Vespiquen and or Honchcrow
and if you can’t get Gallade (for some reason) try Medicham (used it on my DP team it wasn’t bad)
Bro imagine you're a swimmer and see someone riding a washing machine coming towards you
2:44 "A lot of these Pokemon were even good before the change..."
*moves Dustox off screen*
Dang Michael how you gonna do that to our buggy boy?!
Pokémon with hidden abilities and egg moves and increased IVs can be found in the grand underground. I have managed to catch a perfect attack oriented Bidoof with the ability Simple and the move Skull Bush. With a power herb my Bidoof can gain a double defense stack and additionally deal massive STAB damage in one turn. Plus the double defenses can be further boosted with the move curse
On another note, yes, some Gym leader rematch after entering to Hall of Fame the first time (and therefore national Pokedex?) Their pokemon will have hidden abilities if it is considered better. In Roark's full team for example, his Ramparados has Sheer Force (since Mold Breaker is announced if the pokemon has this ability, but not Sheer Force)
Grunty boy with a beard just doesn’t work that well, makes him seem less silly. But dang, mike is looking good 👌
Hi Michael I just had an idea for a future video, "If Alola had Gym Leaders" or "If Galar had an Elite Four". Tbh I really liked that I would like to see those Gyms on Alola mentioned by profesor Kukui (probably mixed with the Trials so the alolan tradition wouldn't be left out) and in Galar's case althought I loved the Championship I always felt that there was missing an elite four (althou we fight four gym leaders). In that case what I would have done is that you had to defeat the elite four when you became a finalist so they could see you were on "their" level to compit for the Champion title, so there could been more fights to get to fight the Championship, kinda like it was on the anime where there were like 5-6 battles to select the new champion.
Huh I kinda want a Pokémon game where your starter is Rotom now and you choose which type it gets. This sounds pretty cool
I have a great team planned but with the moves, nerfs to steel types and the types you face in game, I'm so looking forward to using Misdreavus and its evolution in shining pearl
i was actually super hyped that bdsp came out on my bday lol
Thought of boxing my starter but after it turned out to be Adamant, I changed my mind. My team so far (Just beat the 3rd gym):
-Torterra
-Luxray
-Houndoom
-Gardevoir
-Scyther
Once I can catch a Wingull, I'll add Pelipper on my team to round it all out. Still gotta evolve my Scyther through trading, though. I plan to use a Togekiss in the postgame, though.
Furret: running on the escalator
Me: you may rest now, little friend.
Honestly Mikey you should take so much pride from your ad clips 😂 you are literally the only person who's ads I don't skip and I can guarantee I'm not the only one
I love using Gastrodon, and yes, the buffed Storm Drain is a big reason.
I love this series, always look forward to seeing what type you do next!
YESS I JUST WATCHED THE PLAY THROUGH AND IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR BDSP AND LEGENDS ARCOOS
Mikey: Purrugly got Defiant,
Me: OH GOD MARS’S PURRUGLY CAN CAUSE EVEN MORE SWEEPS
Yeaah I remember that I always thought Bronzong was really annoying! Because of not being weak to dark type attacks. Especially when you don't choose Chimchar as a starter there was quite a lack of fire types.
Everyone else: (strategizing about what they're gonna use on their team)
Me: *imma use finneon because cute fishy uwu*
Love the new look Mikey and I am really looking forward to watching the rest of your playthrough.
I was so confident going up against Cynthia’s garchomp with my togekiss and then it pulled out poison jab, had to pivot between it and magnezone so it would use EQ and poison jab until it ran out of EQ pp, earning me the win even tho I was under levelled
i did the same except with lucario and i leech seed it when it first came out
500 IQ
My team consists of: Empoleon, Roserade, Togekiss, Houndoom, Luxray. I haven't thought about the 6th member. I feel empty as 15 years ago, that 6th Member is a Bibarel as my HM go-to lol
4:37 self care win
I got myself a Milotic with Competitive and boy, it was fun sweeping every time someone used Intimidate.
Good poison types to use: oh really using a roserade on a sinnoh team? Holy crap NEVER heard anything more original
Poison type as a whole plays a role of trickster/debuffer meaning they were best known for using status moves and afflictions. Why else do you think crobar knows confuse ray, mean look and poison fang or teach it toxic via TM. I don't know if they changed dramatically the moveset of some Pokémon but poison and dark Pokémon were best built for using status moves. and yes i know since gen 4 there were dozen of changes like power creep, physical/special split, actual moves but sometimes i think you should at least try something that is not entirely offensive moves. Some find these tactics fun but I me not so much. Keep making videos Mikey your content is great.
honestly Mr. Mime's fairy acquisition was the biggest one for me. I absolutely forgot about it and that changed (my first) fight with Lucian for the much worse. I ended up losing to Lucian and tried the E4 again with my brain working that time
hell though I have to say, I never struggle with the Elite 4 or Champion anymore but BDSP's gave me a run for my money. Hell I only beat Cynthia because I stalled the hell out of her Milotic with Dry Skin Toxicroak and used that time to not only deplete her PP and Full Restores but to heal my own team lmao. Even despite that though only Gyarados was still standing when Garchomp went down this morning
I really enjoy the improved situation for flygon.
Defog’s updates in regards to removing entry hazards gave more versatility to countering that set up along with its levitate ability. Dragon Tail can forcefully remove stat boosted pokemon or disrupt other strategies. Iron Tail and Steel Wing can deal with its remaining fairy type and ice weakness. STAB Earthquake is…we all know the earthquake it until it dies strat.
The biggest cherry on top though is its stats being relatively sufficient with less pokemon available from later generations, so there’s a lower pool to contest against its 100 base speed and 100 base attack combination.
It’s not perfect, but it feels nice.
Gosh.
I love how people are thinking about competitive and battle capabilities of each pokemon and when I decide on which pokemon I put on my team the only thing (aside of type if doing mono type runs or other kind of mono runs) I'm taking into account is the pokemon look.
Same lol. I couldn't care less about the competitive scene in Pokémon. I've never once done an online battle despite being able too whenever I want, and only battled like once or twice with a link cable back in the Red/Blue days.
Only 1 thing to say : Moody Bibarel. It was good enough to.make itself a niche in Gen 5 Ubers, good enough to make Moody banmed
Don't discount Simple Bibarel. It got Swords Dance in Gen 7, so 1 turn +4 Attack, plus Double Team giving +2 Evasion. It also gets Defense Curl (effectively becomes Iron Defense) and Amnesia, which gives +4 Sp. Def.
@@merlintheageless Moody is simply too OP. While the strategy you said is a good one it was not enough to take bibarel to ubers
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 While Moody itself was banned (not for being broken, but for being "uncompetitive" aka luck-based), Bibarel never got past UU in gen 4 (before it had moody). It quickly fell over the next two gens to PU. All uses I could find were as Simple Sweepers or the occasional Baton Pass receiver.
My original team was supposed to have a Rotom, but sadly it's locked behind the National Dex and can't be obtained early like in Platinum.
But this turned out alright because I found an Absol in the underground before the third gym, which I definitely intend to use
Togekiss prior to Gen 6: Who are you?
Togekiss in Gen 6 onwards: I'm you but better
I think the biggest buffed fairy type since Gen 4 is Clefable. It already had Magic Guard in Gen 4, and now gets Stored Power (as of Gen 5), as well as becoming Fairy Type. Competitive players know all about this, and Clefable has been an amazing pokemon since Gen 6.
Imagine getting the remakes when you’re getting the Og ones on Tuesday
@Frozen Music ♪ shut up
@Frozen Music ♪ imagine having to spam comments with links to your music because youre that sad
Fun fact: every remake was made after 2 generations, so if anyone wants gen 5 remakes, wait for gen 10, *please do not resist*
Nooooooooooooooo
If thats the case.....
rip kalos fans who wants a xy remake lol
actually:
It's pretty common for 2 generations of pokemon for 1 console generation.
since BW and DP was on the DS, it was impractical to have hoenn remakes on the same console, since there will be too many games on one console.
and it was originally the case for Gen 1 and 2
gen 9 will still be on the switch whenever that will be.
@@thelucky_xiii
I hope that "nooooo" is about waiting 2 more generations for it
@@urgae9125 To be fair I already knew that the Black & White Remakes were gonna probably happen in 2026 or 27 sumthing like that
Loved your play through. Sorry about your egregious Gilgar hunt!
It makes sense grunty boi can teleport to your house. Considering it is probably the last place he rested, and probably has an Abra.