Zatanna’s Proposal to Doctor Fate | Young Justice | Max
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Zatanna makes a dangerous proposal to Doctor Fate in an attempt to free her Father. But the choice has consequences.
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I thought love proposal
Why is young justice not available on hbo max in Bulgaria
More young justices please 😍🙈
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The fact that Mary thinks wearing the helmet of fate is a reward makes me think zatana made the right call to not include her.
Then again, putting it on would show Mary that she effectivly gives up control of her body and powers to Nabu.
Although, it could have an addicting effect on her...
@@jf_kein_k8590 Would she be able to combat Nabu for control inside helmet? It would be interesting how Shazam magic intersects with nabu.
Zatanna is in the wrong on multiple levels here. She conned her students.
@@badnoodlez I mean not really. Yeah, she didn't tell them right off the bat but for good reason she had to see if they were worthy and its not like she forced them to wear the helmet she literally gives them a out and they straight up jumped at the offer. It's not even a bad deal either compared to what it used to be. Also in regards to Mary, yeah Zatanna should have seen that coming. I think Mary was worthy enough she just needed a little more polish.
@@badnoodlez She gave them the opportunity, she never made them do anything.
After 10 years, Zatanna has finally freed her father from Fate’s control.
Looking forward to returning to Phantoms next Thursday!
Yea... but how she did it was kinda screwed up. She manipulated her students in the process, knowing their own personal beliefs and struggles and that Fate might not care. And (while she couldnt have known) damn there threw the balance of order out of whack.
I love Z, but this episode really put her character into perspective.
@@darryljack6612 If you ask me, she's always been manipulative, since season 1, she just wasn't given enough screentime to show it. Remember last season when she made Artemis believed that she was actually speaking to Wally's spirit, if Wally comes back, we'll see what she has to say about that.
@@theoutlawking9123 if I recall there were others involved in her little magic so I wouldn’t blame her completely and besides sometimes we sometimes have to find other ways to give closure even if it sometimes is harsh
@@darryljack6612 she lived a decade without a father all because of that damn helmet One hour every once a year was just torture Come on guys this is getting too harsh
@@darryljack6612; Right, I wouldn’t have gone along with her plan for nothing
No matter how messed up it is, I’m just happy she’s able to get her father back.
But do we all understand it from a good reason she lost her mother due to cancer and her father was part time before and when she joined a team it was to be closer.
But because of her mistake she had to live a decade without a father one hour every once a year was nothing short of torment and it was completely unfair all because of a damn war between the magic of good and evil especially because of that helmet.
I’ll always try to be reasonable but if everyone stop being so don’t judge mental maybe there wouldn’t be so much pain in the world they’re better than that and so are we and so am I even though I’m hard but I’m trying not to be.
You know who the actor who played as Dr fate was in Young Justice don’t forget to pay tribute to Ed
@@darthdracul8372 dude of course. No disrespect to Ed. I’m not judgmental, and I’m just saying it’s messed up, but at least there’s an upside to everything.
@@mr.incredivenom But he was right about one thing my brother it tortured her every day and believe me the decade wasn’t helping.
Especially with once a year one hour every single day that and everything else was in living plus I think she will own up to her mistake soon
@@cjg3496 indeed, man.
Her idea was honestly too logical to pass up. Especially when you consider that Giovanni was starting to get extremely worn out by carrying the burden alone.
I really like how they made the Helmet of Fate into a curse in this timeline. It's an interesting take on the typical superhero Doctor Fate portrayal.
It’s always been like that
It's almost always is like that, although Nabu is NOWHERE near as stingy as he is in most forms of media surprisingly. Usually when a person puts on that helmet, it ain't getting off, but so far there have been 4 new Dr. Fates that appeared in a single season. Though by the third time he was like, "Nah fam, if you want her back, than you need to run me YOUR body.".
@@cloudstrife3074 Indeed, this Nabu has been surprisingly a pushover
Some see it as a curse some as a reward
Is it really a curse if the host body doesn't have to eat, drink or use the bathroom? Given how much our biology depends on sustenance I'd say it's a win.
Zatanna is morally a good person , i love how complex this whole situation was. She really had to grow up and toughen up in order to get her dad back. I kind of like that she has to do some unmoral things in order to get everything to work to her plan. I love that Khalid questioned her about everything especially since Tracy seems so young. Mary has real issues but Z could of handled that better . She had a good point though about how Mary is an ends justify the means kind of girl but its hypocritical because that's exactly how Z sees it for what she was planning all along
excellently said!
See that’s the weird thing, it’s left a bit ambiguous as to when Z decided to go on this path. The Phantom Stranger tells us that she only considered this proposal during the events of this arc, not when she first started teaching her students. If that was the case then why did Z hesitate to answer Khalid’s question on if she started teaching them to groom them into being a part of this deal?
You can't handle someone like Mary better than how Zatana did. She refused to accept Zatana's criticism of her power hungry nature, after both going through Fate's test and then draining everyone's life force a second time despite promising not to do it again without their consent, nearly killing them and everyone else in the process. And then when Nabu entered the conversation, she basically pulled a "Dad will side with me" and was pissed off when that failed. And then she rage quit despite Zatana suggesting that she could have her chance to be Nabu's host if she took the time to deal with her issues first.
I mean it's fine to me. Zatanna needed some ambiguity. The "OG Squad" all made questionable decisions at some point. This character development for her is so refreshing because it doesn't necessarily ruins her character but just complicates it. I like the way they handled it overall in hindsight because on initial rewatch it was hard to grasp where they were going but the debate it caused is what I think they wanted.
Zatanna's may have felt that her immoral actions where justified but I have a gut feeling she's going to find out that her actions have terrible consequences.
PLEASE RENEW THIS SHOW FOR A 5TH SEASON
Already confirmed for end of this year
The second half of season 4 is premiering March 31st (this year)
@@Soul_ShadowXD not really
@@Soul_ShadowXD not really though
@@Soul_ShadowXDRenewal for a 5th season has not been confirmed
The end credits of this episode, where Zatara cries over his years lost, made me shed a tear
As twisted as this move was, I understand why she did this. She loved her father, and she felt responsible for his servitude to Fate. Sometimes you just have to make hard decisions.
Wait until Zatanna finds out what consequences her acts have reaped before you justify Zatanna using others to get what she wants dude.
@@blastermasterguy that made no sense. Sentence structure is important.
Zatanna rules I will support her no matter what she does
Easy to say when others suffer for your choices. Honestly people who harp on about hard decisions shouldn't be the ones to make them.
@@EmptyMan000 Just ‘cause I understand her doesn’t mean I agree.
Nabu - Khalid - the most logical, compassionate Fate and also the one connected most with the Green and Red magic's of Earth (ancient Earth magics directly connected to the planets Flora and Fauna) this also means he's arguably the most tasked Fate and the fate Nabu has the most influence over as Khalid wants to get to know Nabu, his own magical capabilities now that he has a new teacher that is essentially a god and while learning about Kent and who he was
Tracy 13 - Nabu - a Fate perceptive to Black/Dark Magic/Chaos magic with a high calling and drive to serve and protect and prove themselves a hero worthy of being on "a team" let alone the justice league. Traci's Fate will probably be most active within the league
Zatara - Nabu - wisest and most experienced of the current Fates however slowly reaching/exceeding a limit in both magic power and mental resistance to Nabu due to the fragility of Zatara as a host body
Zatanna - Nabu- the strongest of the fates with untapped magic potential. this Fate has a high sense of duty and justice but is the most naive and easiest to manipulate emotionally and mentally due to *Zatanna having more control over the helmet and her body coupled with Nabu than any of the other fates* which just shows how strong even her subconscious is
cool
if superman don helm
@@ericx6969thing is Superman doesn’t have potential with magic he’s weaker to it then even Batman.
@@ericx6969 superman doesn’t have magic
He’s weak to magic dopey
daaaaammmnn she couldn’t even look Khalid in the eyes. That’s cold blooded, I love it.
But she didn’t use her students, after the fight with Child, she pitch the idea to Khalid and Trace, and when she went to Mary, her reaction call Nabu’s attention and both (Mary and Fate) pressed her to tell (even Z told them it wasn’t the time since she had planned to fully discuss the idea with her students) but once pitched the idea and Nabu agreed to it and saw her father, was when she forgot about her students for a sec and acted like a done deal. When Khalid call her out she felt bad because her excitement blind her for a moment and she went to Trace to explain that she DID have a choice, proving (with acts) to Khalid that they weren’t means to an end and clearly care for them.
Although this is my pov on how things went and I’m well aware that It might not be the case. I’m always open to discuss.
It’s not always an easy answer get that through your heads
honestly if You close relatives misjudging You that bold, I will lose words too, like damn did I really dissapointing them that hard
@@franciscocruz9199 no, you're pretty much on the money. The Phantom Stranger showed and stated that Zatanna had only toyed with the idea of revolving hosts just after the Trogowog. That was way after she had agreed to mentor the Sentinels. So she never mentored them just for the sake of freeing her dad. That was an idea that came along the way.
@@darthdracul8372 It is when the answers aren't surrounded in lies. Get that through your amoral brain. When you manipulate, expect to be hated.
Please HBO max renew Young Justice for more seasons, the show has so much potential and so many more stories to tell.
they wasted the potential they already had from the first 2 seasons. They should pretty much end it lmao.
@@dariusbrock2713 Hard disagree, but to each their own. I like the show diving a bit more into the characters as people instead of "WhO iS tHe MoLe ThIs SeAsOn?" which was getting repetitive
Honestly I've lost interest in this show. I loved the first two because we got to see the OG team together. That went out the window with season 3 and even more with season 4
@@Agent_3141 agreed it doesn't even feel like Young justice anymore.
@@Agent_3141I know I'm a little late to the party, but have we watched the same season 4? I saw every member of the og team get an arc to themselves, and then them working together as a team again to resolve the final conflict together
Zatanna needs to contact Billy and have him temporarily take the power back from Mary. Despite the fact that he was a 10 year old boy at the time, Billy understood that the magic he was given came with great responsibility and never abused it. His sister on the other hand doesn't realize that actions have consequences. Mary believes that the ends justify the means as long as it gets results. She could end up seriously hurting civilians or her team mates, possibly killing them by taking life force. That's why it's important for Dr fates host to have a good moral compass. To keep him from crossing the line. Zatanna had come a long way from the 14 year old girl we saw back in season one. Over the years she earned Nabu's trust to spend time with her father. Now she's come up with a solid plan for him and anyone else who wears the helmet to have a normal life and keep fate around.
I don't think that was problem... Problem was, that she became a lot like Black Adam, she decided to live in the SHAZAM form. She willingly decided that her life as a Mary is useless in the comparison with her SHAZAM personality. It's kinda paralel between SHAZAM and FATE , because both of them kinda "rewrites" personality and i think that was what Zatanna meant. I think Zee knew, that if Mary donned the helmed, she may never be able to put it down, especially since she had problem with SHAZAM already and Dr. Fate is at least on par with him. Imagine, she had a really serious problem with SHAZAM and she could control it and stopped anytime she wanted, but she didn't want to. What happens if she donnes the helmet of fate? Nabu may decide, that she is all the host he needs(immensely powerful with magic and with direct connection to the rock of eternity) + in her Shazam form she is pretty much immortal + she is willing to sacrifice everything for greater power.
she actually manifested her own powers, her shazam powers were taken away after she stopped transforming back into her kid form
@@MyHandleWasTakenBruh there's a difference with taking away a power and stop using it
The problem is that she's a magic junkie who's reckless with how she uses her powers. Ignoring that latter for a moment, not giving her the helmet is the better option since having it would fuel her addiction to the point that she'd be beyond help and never want to relinquish it.
@@Kovugamez Mary needs some serious help. Over the years I've seen way too many characters believe that the ends justify the means just like Mary does. In the end they ended up having innocent blood on their hands and regret what they done.
I’m surprised Nabu agreed. Really more… humane than you’d expect from him.
Zatarra made Nabu realize that Doctor Fate is a total of two champions and that Nabu had been weakening himself by not relying on the strengths of his host and ignoring them.
I find it weird that Captain Marvel/Shazam/Billy wasn’t in this series much. He didn’t even get a line in the last episode after not showing up all season, except for Mary’s mental experience.
The writers intentionally had Mary become a villain instead of just having Billy talk to her, as brother and sister.
Mary became the villain in the comics too you know.
She showed just how easily a Marvel can become an Adam if they don't confront the darkness within themselves. And she was close to Billy then and still fell, showing Billy despite how close he is to someone, even he can't stop them from falling prey to their darker parts of themselves because Billy literally has no dark parts (it's why Shazam the Wizard choose him while he was still so young)
Zatanna probably made a wise choice. Mary appears to have an addiction to powerful magic and given her Captain form is somehow unstable, perhaps it's best to not give her the helmet.
Mary wouldn't want to take the helmet off nor would she argue against a lot of Nabu's choices.
Nabu is essentially someone who would shot a bad guy in the head and say "done". Klarion is his similar but opposite; he'd go BAZOOKA.
Perhaps she did. But she didn't go with her to continue giving her reasons or at least to reconfortable. Then she was more vulnerable, granny convinced her to join her as black Mary
I love Khalid-Dr. Fate and how they represented him in this show. One of my favorite fates and it was cool to seem him interact with Kent.
I know this might be a little on the controversial side, but I like that Nabu developed a little. Sure he's still a little more on the apathetic side but he's learned to trust Zatanna and Zatara more and I think that's really cool.
My favorite part is Zatana and Zatara finally reunite after all this time!
I know a lot of people call Zatanna's deal a selfish one but we shouldn't forget that she put on the Helmet of Fate by her own choice. It wasn't an easy decision but she knew the consequences. No one deserves to be parted from their parents for more than a decade or so. And besides, having a younger host gives Dr. Fate a huge advantage in the field.
Looking extra forward to the next half of season 4.
I first saw this when it released and it remains one of my favorite scenes. What’s beautiful about it is that it has been 10 years in both the show AND in real life! We have waited for this moment just as long as Zatanna.
4:11 Wearing the Helmet of Fate is somewhat a curse. But I learned, you need to make sacrifices. If it were me, I would do it for family.
Please release this internationally. It’s infuriating not having access to young justice in spite of it being returned, because of you limiting what countries get access.
VPN
@@simonnachreiner8380 for HBO? Yeah, that’s not gonna work
Kimcartoon and vpn
this show was so good💔💔 i need season 5
Well in Zatanna's attempt to get her father back she potentially created a new super villain. Good job Zatanna you got your daddy back but the bill comes due( I know that's a reference from Doctor Strange but I'm using here)
With magic, the bill always comes due.
All magic comes with a price
Mary was already like this with or without Zatanna.
@@ggt47 ah
Let's be frank here tho, she's right not to give her the helmet
1:41 Fate didn't even indicate he agreed, just questioned it.
I want John Constantine to appear in this show.
Me too.
Seconded.
That would be awesome
An entire episode, literally every second, just a conversation between Zatara and Constantine. The sitcom overprotective dad trope and bum boyfriend is tired, but when it's the two most powerful mortal sorcerers I'm all for it
Raven would be my #1 choice and then Constantine
I think it's a bit unfair to Mary to call her atrracted to power, after all, with just one word, she could become almost as strong as Fate himself. Yet she chose not to, even when things got really dicey, because she knows that power can corrupt a person. Her stealing power from life and her friends was over the line, but she was desperate. After all they were literally fighting an unbound lord of chaos who beat them and Fate more than once. Though I will admit, her thinking that donning the helmet is a reward is a red flag. Nonetheless, it could've been handled better.
Maybe so, but if Mary had to don the helmet, I think the wizard who gave Billy and the kids he chose to get the power of SHAZAM will have a talk with Nabu if it was wise to have Mary as a host with the power of SHAZAM cannot be given or can the lord of order can her hidden persona
this is probably the most ethical way to release Zatara and keep Nabu around
Ethical? Quite literally it's a mind body soul sacrifice
@@drewbreezy36 at least it consensual and Zatanna, Zatara, Traci and Khalid can have a life 3 weeks out of the 4
This is just a screwed up situation with no ideal solution
And Nabu and the lords of order is too dangerous of an enemy to make so double crossing them isn’t an option
@@anthonysmith7504 true, ideally Nabu honestly should have been removed from main non planetary threat League activities, there's new generations with high magic powers that can live up to challenges of chaos and even with all the power of order and good, like father (Savage) like son
Considering she went looking for power on Apokolips I’d say Zatanna was right about Mary she doesn’t care where she gets the power or who it hurts in the process just as long as she’s strong like when she was Mary marvel
I love this scene so much
The complexity of it
The hard choices that have to be made
Zatanna Is about to show why she is the mistress of magic in half of season 4
Hopefully 💞
Cannot wait for this coming up Thursday for season 4 to continue 🤩
Ohh so it IS going to continue!! Grrreeat
@@Lugen ya theres still another 13 episode
@@anthonyarmento1349 I never brothered to check online just assumed it got cancelled *again* I'm very happy it isn't !
@@Lugen ah makes sense ya they split up season 4 into 2 parts the first part was from October to December then hiatus then from march to may probably
I like Mary's ability to absorb fire to fuel herself. That alone can make you a great fire fighter.
Combining that with Khalid's healing powers, you can become the best reacue hero.
I'm still mad that this show was unjustly canceled AGAIN 😡
I think Zatanna’s arc was my favourite to watch. It’s obvious that she has done some questionable things. I mean when Khalid asks if she took them on to free her father she doesn’t answer yet the Phantom Stranger suggests that Zatanna only decided the course of action at the start of the arc. That hands some ambiguity. Everyone in the OG squad made some questionable decisions, and I think the one that did the least is Zatanna. Or at least if she did we never saw or heard of them so it’s refreshing seeing her be so layered. I also loved the addition of her students and how she handled her teaching. She did push Mary away but she was ultimately right, Mary wasn’t ready and saw being Fate’s host as a reward which it obviously wasn’t add that to the issues with the Shazam family, her willingness to drain people’s life forces without consent and her throwing a fit... she wasn’t ready and it will be interesting to see what happens when the group face her in battle
I believe she really only thought of this plan at the start of this arc and in no had this plan when she first took them in as apprentices.
It still is manipulation... but i think she deserves not on the benefit of the doubt but... just to have her father back.
It is just for Zatanna, Zatara already gave to much to Nabu, more than time for him to recover it a little.
And the benefits of having a roster of very talented, powerful and promising individuals to change between are many.
Nabu is ridiculously powerful and has access to a RIDICULOUSLY vast arsenal of magic, but having host that have varied specialties would allow him easy access to a few magical expertise more easily, his host still are his "magical focus" so to speak so their "quality" and "properties" still paly a role in the powers he can use.
The Khalid moment is probably the best moment in Young Justice. Because it speaks to the fact that Zatana is being highly manipulative here. Now to be fair I don't think she set out to recruit her students to sacrifice them to Dr. Fate (as shown by the flashback) but that wasn't because she was morally opposed to the idea. It's clear that the idea had never crossed her mind until the flashback moment. With that said once she saw opportunity, she jumped on it. The Lords of Chaos simply sped up the process but even if they hadn't intervened Zatanna was always going to try and recruit herself and her students to become a rotating Dr. Fate.
And Khalid also called out Zatanna for giving them a false choice. Not many people would turn down the chance to become one of the most powerful heroes in the DC world, and not fully understand what they would be giving up. And even if they did, even fewer would turn down this sacrifice knowing it would be dooming a good friend and mentor's father. So it's a false choice and Zatanna knows it, she can say all she wants how she's not "pressuring" them to take the role and that it's their "choice" but everyone knows there's zero chance someone would turn it down.
Now to be fair to Zatanna, sure she's being tactical here but you can argue that she's not doing anything wrong. Her finding people likely to want to become Dr. Fate is really no different from finding people who already want to be a hero or want to join a religion. She didn't actually pressure them in any way to make the choice. Likewise the Mary thing is just Khalid being wrong. Zatanna stated she had to keep up the barrier or they would die so she wasn't in a position to stop Mary, even less so when Mary (despite her being a double edge sword) was the only thing keeping flaw at bay.
What exactly is manipulativ?
Hoping to see this show not only continue in an amazing season 4b but also beyond with what the creators wish to do to end their story. Please help renew for more seasons!
GOD- that break in Zatannas voice tugged at my heartstrings. This was such a good scene, I keep finding myself rewatching it.
Renew Young Justice ❤️
It was all according to Zatanna’s keikaku.
*Translator’s Note: “Keikaku” means “plan”
Also, Mary understandably has the anger of someone who had her whole arc and character development skipped over.
If the show gets renewed, hopefully, we will learn what's up with Mary. Until then, one thing is for sure: Darkseid just got another recruit out this, though not intentionally so. I do wonder what Mary will look like as "Black Mary", if she shows up again.
Boy ain’t no way you made a DBZA reference and expected that to fly over my head.
@@SpiegelmanSzn It's a meme from the early days of fan translations. Specifically Death Note. Some fan translations would leave "plan" untranslated because they thought "keikaku" sounded cooler. It was mocked for how unnecessary and pointless it was. The fan translators came off as massive weeaboos for doing it.
@@SpiegelmanSzn all according to cake
Zatanna's actions are truly gonna come back to bite soon
Well she just unleashed probably the most powerfull Magical Villain in Earths History.
The student has become a mentor, Zatanna has 3 protege's already. How exciting.
Technically 2 now…
Man this show needs some actual funding, the animation corner cutting really shows sometimes, but the Zatanna action was really nice
It's really messed up when you realize, Zatanna basically used a bunch of kids just to free her father. Essentially making THEM Nabu's slaves now.
But she didn’t use her students, after the fight with Child, she pitch the idea to Khalid and Trace, and when she went to Mary, her reaction call Nabu’s attention and both (Mary and Fate) pressed her to tell (even Z told them it wasn’t the time since she had planned to fully discuss the idea with her students) but once pitched the idea and Nabu agreed to it and saw her father, was when she forgot about her students for a sec and acted like a done deal. When Khalid call her out she felt bad because her excitement blind her for a moment and she went to Trace to explain that she DID have a choice, proving (with acts) to Khalid that they weren’t means to an end and clearly care for them.
Although this is my pov on how things went and I’m well aware that I might not be the case. I’m always open to discuss.
@@franciscocruz9199 Are you blind? Khalid just called her out on it, a character in the show noticed but you didn't. She straight up used them, if she didn't the writers wouldn't have made him accuse her. Manipulation is what she does, remember last season when she lied to Artemis about Wally's spirit, yeah, Zatanna is s damn manipulator!
@@theoutlawking9123 I do agree in the Artemis point, even if it was for her own good (preventing her for doing a deal with Wotan or someone else). Yes, I did see that Khalid call her out but the idea of her having rotating host was in the first episode of her arc, after she already have her students for a while (Trace for a few years), meaning that she didn’t train them to use them. Also she was sorry with Khalid for not fully discuss it with them (after pitching them the idea and being force by Nabu and Mary to tell the idea to Fate) and with Stranger explanation to both Nabu and Khalid, it got clearer to him that she didn’t use them. But I do see your point, I though the same the first time I watch the episode but dismissed the idea upon rewatching. Again I could be wrong, let’s hope the second part of Phantoms get this clearer.
It is but I still feel that Khalid and Traci could hav easily said no. It's not like Zatanna used a spell on them to make them say yes. Also, chances are had Zatanna had done nothing and simply let her father go odds are Nabu and the Lords of Order would have made someone else who was not willing to be Dr. Fate at all; could be some rando off the streets. Honestly, I blame Nabu a bit more since he's the one who can't seem to let go of his host.
@@shadowwriter4538 C'mon, you know they weren't gonna say no. They're kids, they think being superheroes in any capacity is an honor, and Zatanna used that against them, their good intentions and need to do good. They won't realize what a mistake they've just made until a few decades wearing that helmet. But trust me, THEY WILL, cause it's gonna impact every aspect of their lives : Dating, Marriage, Kids. Will their husbands/wifes/kids be okay with mommy and daddy disappearing for a whole week every month, every year, for the rest of all their lives?
I'm not surprised why Mary became Black Mary. This was something that was addressed in the comics a long time ago. Mary indeed has a "driven" personality and without proper guidance it led her down a dark path. This is often what lead Shazam the Wizard to take away the Marvel power.
Zatanna is not fully to blame for what happens to Mary. Mary has to confront this darkness on her own because it's *her* darkness. Just like Zatanna has to live with her own darkness brought on by her guilt for what happened to her father.
It’s sad that this show cancelled on a cliffhanger twice!!! Prime needs to take over this show!!!
You sure that's a good idea
Can’t believe it’s been 10 years for these characters
i m grateful that u add captions
They call it a curse but that’s not far from the truth and I know people will say this and that but nabu is a smart and understanding entity and even in the comics he thought that host rotation would be an ideal position
This show can get very real. Even the heroes could be very manipulative
Zatana wanted her father back but wow
I mean Zatanna is always willing to do what it takes to bring her father back even in the comics where he's dead although they comunnicate every now and then
Zatanna accidentaly created a fury we see in the season 4 finale that black Mary has become a fury for darkseid
Its Zatanna's mess she is the one who must clean it.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with what Zatanna did. Sure, forcing her proteges to take turns as Doctor Fate is a pretty reprehensible thing to do...except she didn't force them at all, nor were they tricked. Zatanna merely had an idea, put forward the suggestion, and offered each of them a choice which they willingly took knowing the consequences; except Mary, who clearly and demonstrably was not responsible enough for it. And she was still trying to do right by her, to continue teaching her until one day she could take on the mantle, or otherwise go on to be a great hero on her own merits; it was Mary's own power-addicted mentality that saw wearing the helm of Nabu as nothing but a reward to be coveted that caused her to lash out like that.
5:07 = what a beautiful scene ❤ . after 3 seasons Zatara is finally going to be with his daughter Zatanna forever
Mary was kinda getting on my nerves. If I were Zantanna I'd actually punish her. Sometimes logical path ain't the right one.
Mary was very selfish, taking the life force of kalid and Tracy during the fight with child, and then sucking the life force of everything around her in the finale fight. If zatanna let Mary stay on the team she would of killed somebody
Please Renew this amazing show. I need more Young Justice in my life. Looking forward to Phantoms part B.
Its already good no need for renew plis the story is still going
Can’t wait for the return of season 4
We all know, her desire to bring her father back was and is noble. Wanting to make up for her inability to help her father after his sacrifice by putting on the helmet. However, i think she should have come clean with everyone sooner. Also, whatever Mary does from now on will be at least partially her fault.
Khalid: "Did you plan this from the start."
Zatana: *Basically invokes the Fifth Amendment*
I literally just finished watching this episode 😃
Here is a question: They have an entire nation of mages that live underwater. Why don't they just get seven of them from Atlantis and have each of them take turns using the helmet for a day each? That way fate gets to be active nearly 24x7 and the seven people just lose one day per week. In exchange, Fate could teach them order magic and other things as payment. Why is this an issue again?
Some have trouble breathing a while for an extended amount of time(I'm not 100 percent sure it's fractual). The Aleateans have there own life and families and many don't have a desire to live on the service world. The show would be boring 7 random people wearing the helmet people wouldn't care and they would have to do a background for all 7 people and grow there character while pushing young justice separate sub plots
Nabu has a trust issue, he can't just simply accepting everyone
Paid in full run along now Zatanna
It's interesting that Khalid was the first one of the four to become Dr Fate since his uncle was Kent Nelson the first Dr Fate. Why not just have him wear the helmet of nabu permanently and have Giovanni renstated in the justice league sitting next to Zatanna at league meetings at the watchtower
Did you miss the first season?
It's not about becoming Fate when needed. Nabu intends to have full control 24/7 until the host dies.
Khalid life would effectively cease to exist.
This new deal allows the hosts to spend majority of their time free to be them and not get used up by Nabu. Probably work in more people if need be.
Giovanni already has some serious PTSD from all this.
Please bring back Green Lantern: The Animated Series!
Best show ever!!!!!! I love since the first episode!
Yeah Mary definitely won't have balanced Fate, she would probably be a fate who exploited the life force of innocents and team mates to get the job done
I think zatana should have told her that her end justified action failed and still almost got her and everyone killed, which could have also been a lesson to her that more power isn't the answer you should default to
Mary went overboard draining magic from her team.
So... do we need to be concerned about that crack in Nabu’s helmet?
I can hardly wait for season 4 part 2.
And when is that coming out
@@Moha_G march 30th I think.
Next thursday
I didn’t realize until today that it really was just a random idea. I always thought she was grooming them
A lot of people still think that
They really need to rewatch it
Those people from the Future BETTER HAVE SAVED SUPERBOY HE CANT GO OUT LIKE THAT
SPOILER ALERT
That fact that Mary joins Darksied proves Zatanna was more than right about her
Mary was manipulated...
Let's renew Young Justice for more season please!
Just make an animated Justice League Dark show already. We obviously love them, give it.
I still don’t get why they can’t just have whoever’s fates host take the helm off when there’s not a threat that requires fate to be there, and put it on when their powers are needed. It would keep things so much easier for everyone. They could put the helm on a strap or something
you don't really know how to make a show that gets people watching, do you?
what would be the fun in that if there is no risk or danger in just putting on the helmet, if you do it only when you want to then it becomes more like a vacation and not a sacrifice, imagine batman and superman only going out to save the people they want to save and not every time something is up, you have to put your heroes in moral conundrums to make it interesting and watchable
Because he’s a prick, he’s traumatized of being left in the dust for many years and because he feels alone (that’s why he agreed to let Wally go when Kent offered his company in exchange).
Because they risk pissing off Nabu and him keeping the next host trapped with the helmet forever. Plus, the world needs a Lord of Order to go off against Chaos.
Because after being locked away for decades Nabu doesn't trust humans not to lock him away again if he doesn't have a host body, so he made a deal bound by magic with Zatara and is now making this deal
@@badsnowman this is one of the most nonsensical replies I've ever seen
Please bring Young Justice back. Why did you guys have to end it?
I read this as Zatanna proposed to Dr.Fate.
I was like "eww wtf 😐" 😂
Her silence is deafening
No power comes without a price, let alone consequence. Power without freedom AND control is just not worth having. It's like having just bought a brand new toy, only thing is you can't play with it. If I were in Zatanna's shoes, I probably would've done the same thing. Go thru the same lengths in pushing the burden of donning the helm of fate onto someone else who desires it more, regardless of how selfish the reason is. If every choice and action is weighed to have consequences as dictated by fate, be it good or bad intentions, then it certainly wouldn't have mattered what I've done. I would've just chosen the best possible outcome for myself in the end, despite what comes after.
I do think that Khalid had a point, and it was brutal to watch. And I must say that I think that Zatanna was wrong to exclude Mary. I am of the opinion that it would actually be good for her. I think there are times when Mary's mindset are important, and it may be needed to actually achieve something when the chips are down, much like in the Green Lantern comics, when there is nothing left that works, Hal dies so he can become a Black Lantern, we all need an ace up our sleeve, even Fate.
She was zapping the life force of them.
Mary is undisciplined and self centered. She only wanted to wear the Helm of Fate for its power. Not for the responsibility that comes with it. She almost killed everyone during the battle with Child and thought nothing of it. It would be a mistake to put her in a position that close to Fate.
@@darknight10000 I think you are overestimating the effect she had on the others, while subsequently underplaying her efforts against child. The power may have been a part, but she sees it as just a different source. I also don't hear you saying anything about her just being used and thrown away.
@@nategraham6946 Mary threw a tantrum when she was denied a "reward", as she put it. When Zatanna tried to explain he reasoning Mary refused to listen and stormed off. She left Zatanna and the others. She wasn't "used and thrown away". Mary clearly has no level of self reflection. She comes off as having a victim complex and used that to lash out. She wouldn't be able to handle the power and responsibility that comes with the Helm. Zatanna made the right choice here. If this is how Mary reacts to a situation like this why should she be given more power?
@@darknight10000 Clearly you see what you choose/want to see. Try for just a moment to have an open mind. Do you think it is possible that she is feeling used, rejected, and left out from everyone.
Her response to this is proof she is villain potential
It kinda ironic that Zatanna was a teenage girl when she lost her father to doctor fate and fight against him but now as a young woman she see that not only that she can have her father back but she also get that the world needs doctor fate.
I still want Wally back
Everyone do
I don’t. He got his ending. Let’s move on.
Ignoring the sheer moral manipulations from Zatanna in which she essentially groomed three teenagers into being sacrificial lambs for her own selfish reasons... Zatanna completely failed Mary as a mentor. She fed her worst qualities, stoked them, and failed to teach her the importance of responsibility and the true nature of the Helmet of Fate.
Interesting (and telling) that Zatanna does not answer the question. It's easy to read that either as her being busted and knowing it, or just being honest enough to not tell a lie (or even her realizing in that moment that it might be true).
I get what everyone is saying about her getting her father back, but it's still shady. Also, Mary's "fall" seems rather forced to me - writing could have been better.
I think it's more of a time problem.
Of course she took on protogés, who can eventually help her free her father. But she had the idea with the rotating hosts for Dr fate in the first episode of this arc - when she already had all of her students
As a Muslim, I don’t think it was a good idea adding the bismiillah in there before he put on the helmet
pleaseee renew this for a 5th season!!!!!!
My baby returns next week! Let's *GOOOOOOO!!!!*
Mary got so upset that she ran away to Apokolips and joined Granny Goodness as one of the Furies under the alias Black Mary
I’m sorry but I find what Zatanna did to be kind of shady. It makes you put everything into question? Did she get these protégés for the sole purpose of freeing her father. What if they didn’t work out.
Feels kinda duplicitous. And yeah she wasn’t gonna force them into it but she knows Mary’s history with magic so to dangle the offer in front of the other two and deny it to Mary knowing her struggle with power, is it any surprise Mary turned to the dark side. Feel like Zatanna should’ve gauged the situation more.
Still luv my girl tho.
As revealed in her arc, she didn't take in protogés to train them as new hosts
"What if they didn’t work out."
Then she would never have proposed it. The fact she wasn't willing to let Mary don the helmet proves she wasn't letting her judgement be clouded by her personal feelings.
pls renew it for more seasons this is such a work of art
Zatanah is one of the villains of this arc, though it was not as intentional as the others.
Who is that
3:34 I'll take that as a yes.
Won't be surprised if both Fate and his new hosts will benefit from this far beyond expectations, while Zatanna will be left behind to reap what she sow, and wonder was it worth it. Kids will become great wizards, Fate will get multi-faceted personality and improve on his role significantly, they all might develop healthy respect and friendship towards each other (Fate included).
This season has had some good moments but compared to all the other seasons this one has felt lack luster. Like the writers don't quite know which direction to go with the story and some of the characters. Is beast boy just going to be depressed for the rest of the show? Will we actually get to have some Nightwing screen time?
I think you’re kind of missing the point of phantoms dude
@@mattkugelman4369 enlighten me then with your all knowing knowledge.
@@hollowfiedkyubi the point of season 4 was to give each main character their own story arc, specifically the original members from the beginning, the rest were mostly subplots most of which were more interesting than the arcs
WB, HBO, MAX whoever is in charge you need to renew this show for another season. you are seriously losing money.
Honestly - this kind of deal should have already been worked up between Justice league and Dr Fate long before now. Taking one host for a constant job is frankly insane, but having a pool of minimum 4 people to rotate between makes Fate's demands more reasonable. 1/4 month 24/7 - that's 168 hours where your time and life isn't your own. Well, yeah - how many hours did you work last month? Add some salary from JL and this idea is ready to go.
However, rejecting Mary was stupid. Yes, she is greedy and want power but no one learn nor improve anything by being kicked out. Being kicked out mostly mean you double down on your behaviour since you got nothing to lose. And, without going into spoiler territory, this is exactly what happens here.
For the love of god I just want to watch S4 in Australia. Why can I not do this?