The Best Evidence of Hebrew Writing in Ancient America? (The Bat Creek Stone)
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- Book of Mormon evidence is getting stronger and stronger. This video evaluates the Bat Creek Stone, which is an exceptionally reliable artifact demonstrating paleo-Hebrew writing in ancient America. This provides evidence for the truthfulness and historicity of the Book of Mormon.
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8:58 to 9:57 Wow! "Holiness to the Lord" written on a stone placed under the head (3:53) of a buried person!
Sounds like something the lds church would put above the doors of their temples. Lol
Might want to review the literature on recent underwater archeology work in the Great Lakes region, especially in relation to ancient copper mining and any bronze artifacts which have allegedly been found.
Thanks for your efforts. I look forward to more info on the Michigan relics, and if you have studied the Ohio Hannukah mound that should be very interesting to all concerned.
Will do
Excellent information and I like your totally fair assessment of this bat creek stone. The history of its finding, and the Smithsonian s response of showing it then hiding it. The Smithsonian truly shut down any investigation into the Michigan relics as well. The Michigan relics were inconvenient, to put it lightly.
Ya the Michigan Relics would be really good! Oh... I assume you know that Dr. James E. Talmage (on assignment from the First Presidency) investigated the Michigan Relics... right? You do know that? I assume you also know he submitted his final report to the First Presidency on September 16, 1911. The title of his report was “Michigan Relics, a Story of Forgery and Deception.”He also included a signed confession from Etta Riley, granddaughter of the mastermind who forged the collection of relics. You do know this right? RUclips won't let me include links to the sources, but with a little effort you can google both the original report and the signed confession if you are really interested in knowing the truth.
I'm looking to meet up with kindred spirits looking to unlock some secrets here in Ohio I live in NE Ohio but will travel. I have a few I v'e been working on at the NewArk. Ohio Earthworks and can confirm hopefully with some of you. Im retired recently and this is my passion. God Bless
@saladdays180s9 That’s a good idea and I hope some others there will connect with you. Unfortunately I'm not retired and I only get to Ohio a couple of times per year. An email to contact me is ancientamericasdna@gmail.com
if you would like me to reach out to you the next time I can visit sites around Ohio.
Good Job on the defense of the Battcreek Stone and loved the background I information.
There are many possible interpretations of the stone. However, the best one for me is that it is a prayer stone called " call of Jehovah." It was meant to remind the decreased to call out to God. The first two characters are QR, meaning to call, the next part is LYHWAM = La(to) YeHoVA M (suffix lo or behold). This interpretation makes the best sense because it was placed under the head at burial.
Interesting interpretation. I like it
An abbreviated version of the ten commandments in paleo hebrew was also found at Los Lunas New Mexico
Recall that Carthage, a great sea power, had no gold to pay its mercenary soldiers, yet paid them in gold.
A relative of mine was an archaelogist in the 1940's through the 1980's. He studied the native tribal remains in Pennsylvania. A fellow archaeogist was shown a stone (used as a barn door stop) with writing upon it. He took a rubbing of the rock and sent it to the University of Pennsylvania... it turned out to be ancient Punic (Carthaginian). It was the burial marker for a Christian man called "Freckles" (in Punic) who was killed by a native's spear (bow and arrows came later in North America) about 135 AD. He was a part of a fur hunting expedition, and had been hunting wolves when he was killed. While the rubbing was being translated, a relative of the owner of the rock, having learned it had a value, stole it and sold it... Generally I find that part of the story to be likely... most of the theft and loss of property that my parents experienced in that are came from relatives (cousins and their children).
The book, “History of the American Indian”, by Adair, written in 1775 fully supports the claim that the Jewish ancestry is found in the American Indian. Adair gives 25 well supported reasons why this is true.
if you can't accept physical evidences, you need only to read the Book of Mormon, it's something that when scholars read will say...where did this book come from. It's sophisticated but easy to read, it gives spiritual lessons and history of a people. It references their calendars and how they named money and weights, which to me is similar with the way the old world counted and used money. The sophisticated calendars in the Mayan cultures shows their intelligence. The main thing about this work of Joseph Smith bringing the BOM to the world, will always have bystanders who want to try to dissolve all of it, yet people will still chose to be baptized in a church who has actual priesthood and that teaches things that no one else can come close to regarding where we came from, why we are here and where we are going.
But the LDS church itself says it not historically accurate.
@@brucegillingham2793 well then there you go
We also have to remember that as the Lehite culture progressed I have no doubt that they would have modified their languages in ways we don't know. I agree that the middle symbol is likely derived from samech but I believe that the last letter is closer to aleph.
undoubtedly it would have changed
Your arguments sit well with me. I have no problem believing this and many of the others you also mentioned are legit.
Just because something doesn’t fit a paradigm doesn’t mean it is untrue. I’ve always been bothered by the idea of rushing to claim something as a hoax because it “doesn’t fit”. It just feels like a cop out.
Would you believe that to enter into God's presence you would have to pay for his love?
@@jake8882 what a fantastic misrepresentation of LDS belief which also has nothing to do with the video or the comment!
@@LindyLime I'm glad you enjoyed my content.
@LindyLime I'm guessing you are not well versed in the religion?
@@jake8882 That is you good sir. And your tactic is all too common.
Like going back to the time of Peleg and the tower of Babel
I have no issue with the Bible being proven true
Nephi says they wrote in reformed Egyptian so why would anyone think their writing would be in perfect paleo Hebrew?
The book of Mormon it's self tells us that the writing in the gold plates was reformed Egyptian, because of the use of space. They were Hebrews, spoke Hebrew, and wrote in Hebrew outside of the plates. This is my opinion based on evidence. I hope that helps you as it does me.
There are paleo Hebrew writing in New Mexico as well on what would have been a fort!
I assume you are referring to the Las Lunas decalogue stone? I didn't know that it was associated with a possible fort
Lectured with Professor Cyrus Gordon.
Not to worry, DNA doesn’t lie. The historical record shows that everyone spread out from Mesopotamia. Ancient history is essential for everyone to know, especially the sixteen original civilizations… from the sixteen grandsons of Noah. It’s necessary to learn ancient history before trying to learn science.
1. The first inhabitants of Italy (K) Tubal
2. Thracians (L) Tiras
3. Siberians (N) Meshek
4. East Asians (O) Magog
5. Medes (PQ) Madai
6.. Western Europeans (R) Gomer
7. Mediterranean Greek sea people (T) Javan
8. Hebrews and Arabic (IJ) Arphaxad
9. Elamites (H) Elam
10. Assyrians (G) Asshur
11. Arameans (F1) Aram
12. Lydians (F2) Lud
13. Cushites (AB, C) Cush
14. Egyptians (E3) Mitzrayim
15. Canaanites (E2, D) Canaan
16. Original North African Phoenicians (E1) Phut
The D haplogroup descendants of Canaan migrated east through Tibet all the way to Japan. The C haplogroup descendants of Nimrod migrated to South Asia, the Pacific, Mongolia, Australia and all the way to the Americas along with Q haplogroup descendants of Madai ancestor of the Medes.
The A maternal mtDNA haplogroup belonging to the N lineage accompanied the Q paternal haplogroup in the Americas. The C&D maternal haplogroups belong to the M lineage. The B maternal haplogroup seems to have crossed the Pacific Ocean.
The Mediterranean paternal R1b and the maternal X2a also found in Galilee represent an Atlantic crossing of the Phoenicians in the days of King Solomon considering also the Mediterranean paternal haplogroups of T, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B in addition to the R1b in Native American Populations. J1 and J2 is Arabs and Jews. (I1 is Dan, I2 is Asher)
Of course there is the Cohen modal haplotype of J1 P58 which identifies the IJ lineage of Hebrews and Arabs that are descended from Arphaxad. J2 M172 is the descendants of the House of David and Solomon.
I have some more historical evidence and some new genetic evidence that no one can arguing with. The Q paternal haplogroup is the descendants of the Medes. Madai ancestor of the Medes asked to marry the daughter of Shem so the Semitic A maternal haplogroup followed the Q haplogroup to America while the X and W mtDNA followed the Medes into Europe. The Semitic B maternal haplogroup most likely arrived in America by crossing the Pacific Ocean. The C and D maternal haplogroups are Eurasian.
The Semitic X2a maternal haplogroup is a European branch from the Semitic A maternal haplogroup which probably arrived in America with the R1b paternal haplogroup in the days of the Phoenicians mining the ancient copper mines of the Great Lakes. The big elephant in the room is the R1b in America as well as the X mtDNA. Besides the R1b there is also E B I1 I2 J1 J2 G and T Mediterranean paternal haplogroups as well as the X2a maternal haplogroup in America *AND* Galilee as well as the Q paternal hg which also make up the signature of the Phoenicians and Jews in the days of King Solomon and today.
The C paternal haplogroup is the descendants of Nimrod the first and Hamitic king of Mesopotamia along with his sons who became the House of Nimrod. Their descendants went as far as the Americas. It’s the reason that the Olmecs C3 y-hg appear similar to Polynesians C2 y-hg since they share the same common ancestor, Nimrod the son of Cush the father of Cushite Africans. The C3 haplogroup of Nimrod is still there in the Americas such as the Kechuas Wayuu and Waorani …and now you know the rest of the story.
Maybe this is an obvious question. But why go to all the trouble of making a forgery, and then never ensuring it's discovery? Just letting it sit on display and never pointing it out to anyone who could recognize the writing.
I've always been interested to understand how the Bat Creek, Tennessee stone is evidence that can be used to support the Book of Mormon, given the Hebrew writing style on the stone dates to the first century AD. How could anyone connected with Lehi have written in a language that dates the land of Israel in 100 AD, when Lehi left that same area in 600 BC? This is like Barney Fife shooting himself in the foot. What this stone really does is provide evidence that another group of Hebrews left the Holy Land at the time of the Roman occupation and eventually found their way into the heartland of America. Don't believe me? Here is what Dr. Cyrus H. Gordon had to say about it. “I stand by the scenario I proposed in 1972: During and after the rebellions [of the first century AD], the Jews incurred such intense hostility from the Romans that the more desperate and adventuresome Jews with navigational expertise or contactstried to get as far away from the long arm of Rome as possible. [immigrated to the new world]”
The Bat Creek Stone's writing style is not specific to first century AD Hebrew. You might be confusing it with the Decalogue stone which has a block writing style Professor McCullough thinks is from the second temple period. As indicated in the video, the Bat creek stone's writing is a plausible variation of pre-600 BC paleo Hebrew, so it supports the Book of Mormon
Were the skeletons in the Bat Creek Mound very tall?
The report gave no description of the sizes of the skeletons, so I don't know. There are some examples of very tall skeletons found in mounds, with one being the Criel mound in Charleston, WV, where the skeleton was over 6'8"
I agree, and don’t forget the land was one mass years ago!
Smithsonian Institute? The one that has so many claims against them of stealing the discovered skeletons of giants and the skeletons never being seen again?
See Fact Check: Claims that the Smithsonian destroyed 'thousands of giant skeletons' are many years old and satirical, Reuters, Aug 4, 2022
Bad science is a bad religion. Good religion is good science. And the corollary: Bad religion is bad science as good science is good religion. Every one of these require belief before proof.
Agenda-less science and agenda-less religion largely agree. Dark matter= spirit matter. With an appropriate amount of faith
Over the years many have thought that some native Americans may have Hebrew or Egyptian roots. The pyramids in Mexico are good evidence that may be true. My opinion is that some were, not all but some were from other origins than Mongolia.
However, even if it was proven that ancient Hebrews had made it to the Americas, that still doesn’t prove the Book of Mormon.
Many before the time of Joseph Smith believed that. 20:52
Am I missing something here I thought the Jews wrote in reformed Egyptian when they came over here. If they didnt why is gold plates supposedly written in reformed Egyptian and not Hebrew?
They wrote the plates in reformed egyptian, but they also indicated knowing how to write in Hebrew. See Mormon 9:33
obviously when they first came, they'd have written in hebrew, and much later the so called reformed egyptian was used
80 YEAR OLD FROM THE TOPS OF THE MOUNTAINS ISAIAH 2
So these Native Americans were Masons 1,000 years or more before anyone else was ever a mason. Interesting.
Why were they using Hebrew instead of reformed Egyptian?
So does this prove "view of the Hebrews" to be a true book?
Maybe they think their forgeries because, well, they ARE forgeries?
Evidence?
This video presents a proven hoax as the best supporting artifact of Hebrew writing in ancient America.
See:
Mainfort and Kwas 1991, 1993, 2004
Let's be serious about the Bat Creek Stone by Dr. McCarter Jr., 1993
Civilizations Lost and Found: Fabricating History Part Two, False Messages in Stone , 2011 by Lepper, Bolnick, Feder and Barnhart.
Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology, 1990, by Professor Ken Feder
Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology, 2010 by Feder
You did not mention in your video that Dr. Frank Moore Cross, one of the leading authorities on paleo-Hebrew, determined that too many of the characters were problematic for the inscription to be authentic.
Verified that it was found under the skeleton, and you have issues with it? Interesting.
@@EKowallis Not verified, because Emmert made the excavation alone and in isolation. Only his word, no witnesses.
@@Ralph419 but it may be true and you have zero evidence other than that? Perhaps it needs a second look if it's carbon dating correctly.
@@EKowallis I simply pointed out that your comment is wrong. Not verified found under the skeleton.
@@Ralph419 understandable. But that doesn't mean it's fraud.
When i hear people challenge such history, even the American indians, my ears go up. In hope i will hear others step up to the plate and explain something.
Where did the American Indians come from? They have their "creation beliefs" much like christians and jews. etc. To add a odd perspective that, is the Bible speaks of Giants (Nephellim) and so do American Indians. Weird right?
So how can that be explained Biblically being so many are rejecting the "100,000's of evidence found of ancient jews in America....
There is ONE simple and easy answer and it IS BIBLICAL to say ....... BABYLON, when God scattered the 12 tribes and confused thier tongues..... easily explains American Indians and so much more....
WHY DO THEY STATE ALL THESE HEBREWS WRITINGS ARE NOT ACCURATE...
"..this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and..." D&C 1:30.Revelation given by Jesus christ to joseph smith the prophet in ohio on 1st September 1831.
No
This was debunked years ago. Paleography is a meticulous and well-established science. Did you really think you’d get away with more of this Joseph Smith nonsense?
Do you have any arguments or evidence that was not already addressed in this video?
@@Lamanitehistory Name a single North American or South American First Nations tribe that composed post-Phoenician block alphabet inscriptions? Name the text, date, and non-vested scholar who discovered them. Hint, there are NONE. Only and singly have Mormons attempted this with a priori motives and willingness to bend and even plant evident to try and demonstrate a non-existent mythology. Name a single actual biblical scholar from JB Lightfoot to the present who documented proto-Hebrew potsherds, texts, lithographs that WERE NOT Mormon forgeries? One of the most famous of paleographers, Adolph Deissman, considered your attempt to invent Hebrew diaspora and language “absolutely absurd”. That is a truth you should be more willing to consider. Now to the inscription. First, it is sandstone, easy to forge and clearly documented as having been made by a steel tool, (not flint as no evident of flint was found). Steel wasn’t known in North America until the early 18th century. And yet in spite of all of this we are to embrace a mythology of Jews in North America? Emmert Himself has been exposed by numerous State institutions as a fraud, including but not limited to the State of TN where Emmert’s supposed “discovery” occurred. The State of Tennessee overtly called his discovery a “self-made fraud” in public.
Just tell us your sources re: "debunked". Also, you're stating that the "discoverers" of the stone - who are Smithsonian employed frauds according to your claim - created a fraudulent Hebrew-connected artifact that supported a worldview that they rejected, displayed it as "early Cherokee writing" for decades, and never sought publicity, notoriety, or money for the fraud that they manufactured?
Tell us about other cool stuff that you know.
So a video on the best ancient Hebrew forgeries. Great. First off realize, that the Israelites weren't the only people to write and speak Hebrew. The southern Caanites invented the spoken and written language of Hebrew and the Israelites copied them.