What's My Line? - CA Governor Edmund Brown; Harry Belafonte; Peter Lind Hayes [panel] (Nov 16, 1958)
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- MYSTERY GUEST: CA Governor Edmund Brown; Harry Belafonte [calypso singer]
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Peter Lind Hayes, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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One thing I love about Dorothy was her taste in music and knowing when the best singers were in New York like Harry Belafonte. R.I.P. Mr. Belafonte 4/25/2023
Dorothy and Arlene’s dresses on this episode are stunning!!
One of the many improvements of this show as it went along, was introducing the panel members as they walked out, so the ladies got to show off their gowns, which were usually elegantly stunning. Occasionally one could think of a different, less positive word for the attire, but it was part of the enhanced entertainment over-all.
Yes, in fact they both look particularly good.
Simply ravishing
Arlene was so sweet and funny …a quick wit.. Charming.
Class, style grace sophistication intellect and wit
This was a time when you can watch television and get an education.
Well, it's Possible... to get an education from watching the Kartrashians... IF.. you're watching for the purpose of learning what NOT to do with your life.
Prince Harming: Your humor is thought-provoking. Too bad it has truth to it!
With the exception of biology. The scientific classification of living organisms seemed to escape them more often than not.
Now one can watch RUclips or other podcasts, like MOOCs, and get a real education in any subjectv
This show was a cultural treasure trove.
At the time, who thought that? Nobody.
I recollect with a fair degree of certainty that earlier on the day of this WML episode, I had sponge cake with chocolate frosting (quite possibly QT), ice cream and Hammer Beverage soda (either black cherry or root beer). I also blew out some candles. It was my sixth birthday. I was born on a Sunday, and it was the first time my birthday was on a Sunday since then. It was also the last time the original version of WML would coincide with my birthday.
>*>>>>>
I am 2 years older than you but never had the opportunity to watch WML since we didn't have a television till 1959.
Bennet's "I was there....Charley" at 12:20 was a reference to the "Baron Munchausen" radio show ("Was you there, Charlie?")
Count De Gama had the most audible conference with John I've heard!
Rest In Peace, Harry Belafonte! Thanks for everything!
Dorothy's sequined gown is beautiful and so is her necklace and hairdo!!!
Love this episode love love
Brown defeated Richard Nixon when he ran for re-election in 1962, but lost to Ronald Reagan when he ran for a 3rd term in 1966. Today, California governors are limited to 2 terms.
Ken Henderson - As a Californian I regret deeply that my state did not have term limits when Reagan became governor.
Pat Brown was the one who made Tricky retire from politics, snarling at the press: 'You won't have Nixon to kick around any more.' He ended on a slightly more conciliatory note, however, Search 'November 7, 1962' on YT for this farewell.
Six years later he was in the White House. Four years after that, he won a second term in a landslide. Two years after that, he resigned in disgrace, abandoned by most of his own party.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Why???? Reagan only served two terms as governor. Did he try to run for a third term????
@@herondelatorre4023 - No, but Pat Brown did.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Oh OK. So then you mean that "Pat" Brown should not have tried to run for a third term ????
Interesting to see the second contestant, because I'm currently living in Vasco-da-Gama, India! I thought the 'Count' was a little weird but I guess it was a tradition and passed down through ancestors.
It was pointless to book a major state governor a week after elections or a performer the day before their show.
So wonderful to see the Japanese woman bow for everyone, and even bowed to the audience after shaking hands.
graperonto Women in Japan are very much the subservient sex. In their society. The men however were absolute bastards and murdered th9usands and thousand of women and children throughout as8a
@@michaelnaisbitt1639 - Didn't Caucasians do the same thing throughout Asia (Vietnam, etc), North America, South America, Africa, Australia, Hawaii, and Europe (WWI and II) - aka "Everywhere they've been." Certainly your college-prep schooling provide you the details of these atrocities, so you must have simply conveniently "forgot."
Bowing is a more civilized - and sanitary - custom than shaking hands.
And we all know of course [tjose of us of a certain age] that Ed mund Brown was the father of the current CA governor, Jerry Brown, Governor "Moonbeam".
Jerry's daddy. I helped Jerry Brown win the Colodo primary in 1992.
What a remarkable story about how he got his name.
Steve Burrus - We don't need to be of a certain age to know that this Gov. Brown is the father of Jerry Brown, once known as "Governor Moonbeam." Just a political junkie.
Steve Burrus - Jerry Brown was governor for two terms, separated by a number of years. He dated Linda Ronstadt during his first term. He was a terrific governor both times.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Horrible governor as is his successor.
@@operadog2000 How can you be a fan of opera and not appreciate the Governors Brown? I am from California, where most of my family members still live, and know that both were well liked and respected. I guess one can love opera and not human rights and freedom, as exemplified by the late Justice Scalia.
Not sure why, but Governor-Elect Brown just seemed like he was a very nice person
I agree with you. He seemed to be self effacing rather than self aggrandizing. Which is not what we see from most politicians today.
His son, Jerry, is a piece of shit.
His son seems so too.
@@operadog2000 - there's always at least one, isn't there folks? In defense of Jerry, he'd probably say so is your son...just a much smaller piece.
@@waldolydecker8118 MORON. I'll bet you love the job Newson has done in California: he rewarded China by buying 2 billion dollars in PPE. How about Biden on the California /Mexico boarder by welcoming in a million ILLEGAL Covid infected people of which many are criminals and terrorists. Yep, you're a brainwashed fool waiting for his next Stimulus check.
The first guest was also the Attorney General under John’s father in law Earl Warren!
Senators, governors and other politicians seemed so dignified back then.
Edmund Brown, a good man!
Harry Belafonte died just a few weeks ago at age 96.
Contemporary viewers complain John asks ladies if they are Miss or Mrs. Given the last contestant signed in by writing Japanese, and John pretended to read it , John should’ve asked “o jo” or “ Fujin”
Here's a little bit of trivia on the subject of California Governors:
Earl Warren (1943-1953) was John Daly's father-in-law. He even appeared as a mystery guest once in 1951, according to IMDB.
In 1951 John Daly was not yet married to Earl Warren's daughter.
This was recorded the day after Tyrone Power died
It's so funny that Bennett Cerf said he pronounced something wrong. He has the a combination of the most unique & the most bizarre pronunciations I've ever heard. In the episode I just watched, he pronounced Johnny Unitas's name like "unitard" (YOU-ni-tass)
Jane Ash I think it’s mostly just a regional accent. Much of that has been lost in the 21st century due to mass communication, but there are still regional differences.
Jane Ash - He also pronounced pizza as pits-uh. Maybe that is closer to the original Italian.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Musicians pronounce "pizzicato" with a short first "i" vowel, as in "pits", so you're probably right.
Earlier today I left detailed comments on the previous week's episode on this point; instead of repeating them here, let me suggest that they may be interesting. I even brought up the parallel case of "chemise" as mentioned this week.
regional pronunciations can sound like a different word.
I am from CT and met a girl from Oklahoma who pronounced "whale" as "well" and hail " as "hell".
then there s the MA accent that refuses to pronounce the letter "R". they apparently banned it by law. under the penalty of death.
if you introduce yourself as "Robert" they will call you "Ahbert".
they don't invte you a party, then invte you to a potty.
Harvard started a college there and they wouldn't even let him keep one of the "R's".
Where does Bennett get the idea that the Japanese lady would have any relationship to a Chinese production? At least Peter Lind Hayes knew better.
Arlene thinks that Pat Brown doesn't sound like an easterner. Well then, if you go by the rules of Manhattan, he must be from California.
There is only New York and L.A. right, Ma?
The middle is the little people's land and they don't count.
@@AiMR Some of the elite believe there is NYC and the coast and the rest is just an overfly.
That was rude Arlene telling Dorathy to say ask forgiveness.
Please don't be so silly.
How the hell did she go to government ? Clever woman.
this was on , on the day of my birth..lol..lol
When the panel know a special guest right away they should always disqualify themselves so it would have been more fun.
If Dorothy married the Count she would be Countess Dorothy Kilgallen da Gama!
This Governor Brown was much better than his son Moonbeam lol
Count Da Gama appears to have the polished bearing and education of old nobility, so it strikes me odd that he has such a down-to-earth American business as pool table sales and service.
Not really.
I wonder, why do they have guests from Japan so often. It's not like it's close to New York.
*_Attorney General and Governor Elect of California_*
*_Sells and Repairs Pool Tables_*
*_Movie Critic_*
The Browns take care of California.
Yeah... like when a mafia boss says... "Take care of'em."
Pat Brown was somewhat out of the public eye by the time I was old enough to pay much attention to politics, but I certainly (eventually) knew who he was. I have not, though, seen much footage of him. He has one of the oddest laughs, though that impression may partly come from his being on top of the microphone. It's particularly evident when he is laughing when the camera isn't on him. 6:21-6:25, 6:56, 7:05-7:09, 7:58-8:00.
I knew he went by Edmund G. Pat Brown but I never knew where the "Pat" came from, and I a former California girl. My family all voted for him.
Edmund "Pat" Brown was the father of one of my favorite Governors of my home state of California (The "Golden State"), Jerry Brown--a guy who dated Linda Ronstadt. :) :) :) :)
You make peanut butter sandwiches? 😂
Yes, I do.
Peter Lind Hayes asks the Japanese contestant if she knows Red Buttons. That is a tactless allusion to 'Sayonara' (1957). Red had played an American airman in occupied Japan who commits suicide with his Japanese wife rather than be separated by reposting. Umeshi Miyoki, who won an Oscar as the wife, was an MG.
These people dress very fancy for a game show. Look like their going to a ball.
In the 1950s 'black' men (Harry Belafonte was half white with a Jewish grandpa) were not supposed to touch white women on screen. As late as 1968 Petula Clark caused a minor rumpus by laying a hand on Harry's arm during a TV special; the sponsor at first wanted fheir duet to be retaped. But in 1958 Arlene and Dorothy already have no qualms about shaking Harry's hand.
“Governor to be…” vs. governor elect…😂
Mrs. Kamuri in a kimono, where are you from?
Well, she could have said, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Can anyone explain to me why Peter Lind Hayes was ever invited back to the panel? I know that he and his wife were popular TV personalities, and their joint appearance as mystery guest was sort of fun, but he contributes nothing to this game as a panelist that I can see.
Oh, I thought he was great. Charming.. funny.. personable. Would have been interesting to see what he might do with a 2nd chance.
He is mean also.
Always remember PLH as the nice adult in one of the most sinister kids' films, Dr Seuss's 'The 5,000 Fingers of Dr T', with Hans Conried as the boy trapper. Brrh! Mary Healy was in it too.
He had a dry, flat personality but every so often he is amusing. I too often wondered why he was on more than one episode.
I could never stand Peter Lind Hayes' smile. It was more like a sneer.
That Dorothy--she was such a know-it-all.
Bingo. 2021
She can't help it that she knew almost all.
Question: Arlene stands for Elderly, political figures and religious figures.....Why doesn't Dorothy? Were women supposed to stand for certain people or only they wanted too?
Purple Capricorn -- Dorothy stood to shake hands with Roman Catholic priests and nuns and the occasional elderly person. Arlene stood for any nun or member of the clergy, regardless of denomination, and for elderly people.
+Purple Capricorn Technically, according to the etiquette standards of the time, men were supposed to stand up for anyone, when shaking hands. Women didn't have to, but did in some circumstances as a sign of respect. Arlene tended to be more liberal about who she stood up for than Dorothy. Which fits their general personalities, really. (Though Dorothy does stand up for some folks. She stood up for Eleanor Roosevelt!)
Arlene has FAR better manners than Dorothy.
Purple Capricorn Zsa
Actually Dorothy did stand for Bishop Sheen. In fact she kissed his ring.
@@ToddSF Dorothy stood for Frank Lloyd Wright and Eleanor Roosevelt, to name two.
God love him, but John Daly can ask the most banal questions.
Funny...he doesn't look Portuguese.
Mr. Brown, are you the father of a future California governor? Who knows, maybe.
Alfredo Santiago - well known yes.
I could confidently say that current governors of California would not get applauded today. And would probably appear in the show wearing tax-edos.
How rude of the audience to laugh at the Japanese woman.
Please don't be so silly.
I don't get Peter Lind Hayes
I disliked Peter Lind Hayes
I'm sure he is a big fan of yourself.
Dorothy always ruines everything! Homely smart alec!
What did she "ruine"?
@@accomplice55 Carol Lee's ability to spell.
Ok, I don't know why but I found "Count" De Gama annoying and pretentious. Why was he a Count? And I just rolled my eyes, the way he bowed and then kissed the ladies hands when he departed
Vasco De Gama was awarded the noble title of Don (lord) in perpetuity for himself, his siblings and their descendants,' so this Count person could have been called Don, instead!; but then don is a respectfully way in Spanish to call any male adult as in sir in English hence the Count title to differentiate a regular don from a nobility.
Harry Belafonte was so handsome.
atronish - Thank you for this helpful information. We here in the US have been less enamoured by noble titles due to our founders choosing to try to abide by the value of "all men being created equal." For which I am grateful. By the way I think Vasco da Gama means "head of the cow" I think. Can anyone confirm that?
@@shirleyrombough8173: Google probably could.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Google translate shows no connection