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Highlights Increased testosterone levels by 39.5% (838 ng/dL) after 30 days. Free testosterone increased by 33% (12 ng/dL), SHBG increased by 6% (35). Gained 5 pounds of lean mass and improved bone density. Experienced elevated energy, motivation, and focus. Noticed subtle strength gains and improved ability to stay focused. Faced potential side effects like irritability and insomnia. Considered cycling on and off the supplements for long-term use.
A book that changed my life in ways that I never could imagine is "Secret Testosterone Nexus of Evolution".Drop whatever you're doing right now and go find that book. Trust me after I implemented things from the book my testosterone levels went beast mode
@@johannesl5440 there is a background story 🤣 he used to deadlift world class numbers in his mom basement with washing machines behind him 🤣 you can search and find these old videos of him
@@ShervinShares You deserve it! I love the videos you make, no matter what topic you cover.. Some other ideas for videos would be different protocols from Huberman to try or maybe even some of Bryan Johnson's Blueprint.. although Bryan's are extreme! You're the man Shervin! Keep up the great work brother!
I've been taking Tongkat Ali, and fadogia agrestis as a combo as suggested by Huberman for six or so months, and I'd definitely say motivation and energy have improved. But it comes in waves. No negative side effects that I've felt or seen...so far. Great video bud.
I've been taking this for about 2 months, and I saw an increase as well. But how I felt was better. That has been the best. Its important to comment that it really only works when your diet and exercise are already on point. Great video!
Nah, that’s just because your diet and exercise make you feel good and naturally promote good hormonal usage, the drug is most likely a placebo or very minor. Remember, all it is doing (at best) is increasing your testosterone levels from a normal level to a slightly higher, but still within normal, level. Research is pretty clear that such small fluctuations within the normal range are not very impactful if impactful at all. To see the actual effects of increased testosterone, you need to be far outside of the normal range. This is why proper TRT treatment on someone with low testosterone doesn’t suddenly turn them into a muscle bound beast. To see muscle effects, you need to abuse the treatment.
@@TheHeadincharge Nicely said. I think health, from a holistic standpoint, should be the primary goal. Everything else will eventually follow that. Diet, stress management, proper sleep, proper amount and kind of exercise combined will all do more for optimal hormone levels than an herbal supplement. I do think that some supplements can help to boost a bit, but the above factors are far more important as a toto and especially in combo.
@@TheHeadincharge i just tested at 450 today during a TRT consultation and the side effects scared me right out of the building suppressing natural testosterone with ester is not a good idea, hair loss, huge cysts, roid rage, shrunken tiny baby nuts, there is forever side effects and there is a list of 20 + temp side effects ? no thanks.
Please take your testosterone again in a month or two and let us know how far/fast it dropped during that time. Very interested to see if taking these supplements on an interval basis might be optimal.
@@jcpoc7032 You're stopping for a month at a time. But just like anything else in the entire world, if you stop taking it, you stop getting the benefits.
I took my bloodwork 3 times over 2 months. baseline: 19 nmol/L / 547 ng/dL month 1 (Tongkat Ali): 24 / 692 month 2 (Tongkat Ali + Fedogia A.): 16 / 461 So T.A increased my T, but F.A lowered it! This was a year ago and I distinctly remember feeling worse the 2nd month. Me and F.A just doesn't agree with each other.
I did a test once after a meal and midday, it was at 19nmol/L then I did it fasted early in the morning, it was 22.5nmol/L. Can a meal and late test really make a difference?
@@BudgetGainsByJJ yes the time of day and fasting make a difference. For prescription testosterone replacement patients get their testosterone tracked by getting morning fasting testosterone so I would recommend same for someone using OTC supplements
that sucks. if there was one i was going to pick over the other it was fadogia. maybe not now. any other lifestyle factor changes that could have possibly contributed?
I've stacked Fadogia and Tongkat, stopped taking the Fadogia as it made my nuts ache. Fadogia also caused this weird sensitivity in my hamstring, such that any movement that stretched the hamstring at all would cause pain and discomfort. Thought it was a coincidence but I confirmed it after cycling on and off it 3 separate times. Tongkat works more like an energy booster for me, but if you stay on it long term it loses it's "spark" so to speak, the best way to use it is only use it on lift days, and don't use it at all during deload weeks. Tongkat always felt like a stimulant to me.
Nootropics Depot has the strongest Tongkat Ali on the market. Need to give it a try along with their Cistanche Tubulosa. Cistanche is much safer than Fadogia as no one really knows how fadogia works or what specific compounds are causing positive or negative effects. Or you can check out their In Search Of Insight podcast on testosterone and they go over their concerns with Fadogia.
interesting I also been getting some soreness in my hamstrings so far been taking it for 2 days will be my 3rd this morning, could be because I'm peaking too early with my strength training, might be that actually because my bench dropped quite a lot today from last week.
hey, i didnt feel any soreness in my balls or hamstring, but i cant sleep. Today is my 4th day and i cant sleep. Did that happen to you and in how many days, did it go back to normal?
been 2 months taking fadogia and tongkat, was trying to see what has better effects. It seems that adding fadogia is giving me long "morning glories" more than tongkat on it's own which is interesting. I haven't really seen my strength going up like crazy but I say my recovery has been getting better, currently taking 200mg of Tongkat 4 days a week and 400mg of fadogia on a monday and thursday with tongkat. might up the dose. overall this compound has fixed my ED as I can stay harder for longer during fun but I don't feel it's heighten my sexual urges. I don't however feel I got that energy I used to have in my mid 20's I'm also feeling a lot more relaxed at work these days and less stress, focus when it counts is better, I can focus for longer during the day
Hey buddy seriously great work! Im a doctor and i love your stuff! I noticed your AST on your blood work @9:08 almost doubled (from 28 to 47) and normal range for AST based on my experience tops out at about 40, nothing to worry about 47 is not bad at all but because it doubled and your a young healthy man and these supplements have been known to increase liver enzymes I would keep an eye on it! All the best.
I looked at his results. AST/ALT increased concurrently. Let's not forget, he is also exercising regularly, which might have been a factor that contributed to AST rise, but given that ALT has also increased, I agree with your recommendation to keep an eye. For people who wonder. It may be a sign on liver inflammation. Say he continues to take...will this trend follow/worsen. Personally, I would stay away.
@@adm7282 it may be a sign of liver inflammation. Again nothing major at this level, but we are talking about a possible trend comparing his baseline to a month later. Also, may not be supplement related at all. AST is also found in skeletal muscle and other tissues thus can be elevated post heavy workout.
Dude - this is such such such a great video. Excellent study and super well disclosed throughout that you didn't know side effects etc so people could take it or leave it. Just fantastic content man - you are killing it
That’s interesting… I’d like to hear more about how your dieting, workload, and sleep changed, as well as any other changes in your lifestyle that might’ve affected your testosterone levels. I mean a 30% increase from a pill is huge, if true
@@rahmannanees Can't speak for other folks. I took it every other day, and I completely skipped weekends. But I didn't notice that much of a difference, except an increase in hair loss, but I think that was more due to creatine overall.
I think you are misreading the DEXA T score. You went from 0.8 to 1.1. That is not an increase in bone density, it is a decrease. 1.1 is still nothing to worry about though. 2.5 is the level at which the diagnosis becomes osteoporosis.
Really interesting video. It would be nice to see a follow up, perhaps after 1-3 months off those herbs, to see if you numbers remain the same or if they return to pre-test baseline. Thank you.
@@ShervinShares That be real cool, cause while its all fun and interesting to test the short-term stuff.. longevity bro, that's where the real juice is at :P PS: Love your vids man. I can listen to Huberman talk about some shit and then wonder "I wonder if Shervin tested this shit out" and go look you up and tadaa xD Its like huberman provides the knowledge but you provide the live testing. Lowkey power-duo ^^,
Out of curiosity, did you do the bloodwork at the same time each day, controlling for variables such as fasted/not fasted, etc? That would really give the tests more validity.
What really would be interesting to know is what your levels do 30 days after you stopped. Does it go lower than it was before, stay the same, or does it stays higher for longer time. When you know that you would be able to know how long you would need to pause. disclaimer im not a docter just curious
Took them for 6 months, and saw no increase in test, tho my SHBG went down about 30%. But noticed no change in mood or drive or libido what so ever. Great video.
Such small changes in testosterone are not going to be noticeably impactful. If you’re already within the normal range, these supplements aren’t taking you out of that range. Even though 35% seems like a lot, our body already fluctuates by that amount daily for a lot of men and still puts you within the normal, typical range. To see actionable effects of any testosterone booster, you either need to have low testosterone or increase your normal amount by multiple times. Guys who abuse TRT are using up to 50+ times the natural levels.
Definitely got irritability from tongkat+fadogia+boron. Also sometimes messed up my stomach. I did a baseline test before hand with no variables changed besides the pills and I had a huge drop in free test. Going to try again with different sourcing soon. I am very optimized from a health perspective and my baseline was just under 800 total and 21 free at 33 yrs old. Cool to see someone actually take a proper baseline. So many Reddit people add in other things or start weight training for the first time or something.
@@jonconnelly483 Surprised it worked so well for Shervin, it seems like it's hit and miss for people. He's the first i've seen it work for someone who already had great levels. I am excited to try it one more time just to see if my results were a fluke and tied to other factors. Waiting until i'm done losing weight from marathon training though.
@@jonconnelly483 I also feel like unless you are getting like a 200-300 T bump along with a similar bump in Free T, that it wouldnt' be worth it if you are getting any of the sides.
I took TRT 75ml a week and my free testosterone went from 6.9 to 51 within 6 months! I lowered my dose to 50 ml and now it is 32. My total testosterone level is around 1500.
remember folks always go to your dedicated physician and ask about testosterone supplements/injections.... as every body is individual in reaction to it, there can be all sorts of dangerous side effects, like infertility, high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, liver disease etc. Always, ALWAYS be safe first.
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Mate you should get another blood test done to see how long it takes for your test level to return to what it was, that'd be interesting to see if it last longer or back to normal in like a couple of days 😅
I wonder if there is any metabolic lag after the herbs are stopped? Did your testosterone levels go back to the baseline numbers? Or did they drop below those numbers for a time. And if so did you then lose the gains you made on the herbs? It would be interesting to understand the benefits and consequences. Thanks, excellent video.
i would love to know this too its the whole reason not to take them if they have negative rebound, we need someone to show blood work 1 week and 1 month after stopping
I was thinking exactly the same and would love to see the results of another blood test after you stopped. How about your sleep, has it improved since you stopped taking them? Great video btw, very interesting.
ive been taking ashwagonda and i for sure notice the diffrence I stopped for a month or two and didn't lose any gains. I just didn't feel as good working out, or as horny.
I've tried Ashwaganda, Tongat Ali, Fadogia Agrestis, Red Ginseng.. and a few other testosterone supplements that I don't remember the name of, for at least a month each, and all of them had a negative rebound. Even the ones that didn't have very noticeable effects on me resulted in some degree of lethargy for a while after I stopped taking them. The Fadogia and Tongat Ali combo completely killed my sex drive for at least a week after I stopped. I can't confirm whether or not it's true, but I've definitely heard more than once that supplements related to boosting testosterone or Melatonin all have negative rebounds. This doesn't apply to all types of supplements, but it seems to be common for the ones that promote sleep and testosterone increases in particular.
A recent study in July 2023 by a group of scientists from the Pharmacology and Toxicology Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Jos, Nigeria showed severe side effects on kidney and liver after administering Fadogia extract on rats for 40 days. The study showed that the albino rats treated with 50 mg/kg of Fadogia extract showed ballooning necrosis (death of tissue cells), while rats treated with 100 mg/kg extract showed massive tissue degeneration (necrosis), and rats treated with 200 mg/kg of the extract also showed further ballooning necrosis. The study suggests strong evidence of the damaging side effects of Fadogia on liver at low dosages, causing the death of body tissue in the liver (i.e necrosis) which cannot be reversed.
I am from India. I have seen you or your video for the first time on youtube and love this video. Thanks for making the video in details along with the blood report. I can not explain that this video has helped me a lot. Thank you so much.
FYI,Fadogia agrestis is similar to the luthenizing hormone so taking it will increase the signal for the testes to produce more testosterone Tongkat ali releases more free testosterone from shbg so its gonna increase the usable testosterone for the body (only 2% of the total testosterone produced by the body is useable for muscle growth as most is binded by the shbg's) Ps. What was your dht levels?....did it increase, stayed the same because usually excess test is converted to dht by the body... *also after stopping taking both the herbs did the test levels stay at 800 or did it decrease to baseline levels? Also how long were you able to hold on to that lean muscle mass after you stopped?
Are you still taking both products? If so, an update would be welcome some months down the line, to see if the numbers stay high or if the body adapts and downregulates its testosterone production. The problem with taking both products at the same time for your experiment, though, is that all the benefits may come from just _one_ of the two products, making taking both a waste of money and an unnecessary health risk.😕
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Hello I am afraid to use again tongat ali bcz of insomnia since I barely sleep. Can I know how many hours where you sleeping while using the supplements?
I got my bloodwork done a week or so ago, and my doc actually recommended tongkat/fidogia as a natural testosterone booster and I’m already 3 days in….man I feel it. It’s crazy how much this stuff works. I’ll update yall in a month: (Also, I’m getting bloodwork in 3 months again to see any increase in test)
been taking it for 3 weeks while i was cutting i lost 4kg bodyweight and increased my bench with 12,5kg (90-102,5kg) in less than 3 weeks don't know if its the supplement but i don't think hitting a new pr every week is normal.
I did multiple cycles of tongkat ali + fedogia + boron and felt incredible. Better mentality, more strength, more endurance, more muscle. ALTHOUGH.... my hair started to shed. I did around 3 cycles of this 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off. I loved it but it destroyed my hair. I have since then stopped and obviously the pros have vanished, but my hair has started falling out a bit less.
Your DHT levels are likely higher which is accelerating the hair loss. At the end of the day, hair loss is mostly genetic, so the increased DHT levels are just going to increase it.
Interesting video, thanks. Huberman also always states that Habits > Nutrition > Supplements. What changes in terms of habits and nutrition did you make during the experiments and the month before, as it was embedded in another challenge? Cheers
Huberman is in the business of selling supplements and crappy advice under the guise of pseudo-science. He often gets stuff wrong or cites bad science on stuff outside his neuroscience expertice.
You missed the oppurtunity to take blood results and everything coming off the supplements... would like to see those results and how its impacted long term.
Interesting video, thanks for sharing! I've been taking Tongkat Ali along with Ashwaganda for the last month and a half and Ive just signed up for a blood test in a couple of days. Kinda tired from having to swallow so many pills every day, but i do feel better (maybe it's placebo, who knows).
so before this man took the midway blood test he said he wasnt feeling any kinda change but when he saw the results of an increase in testosterone all of a sudden he started to feel different? Just goes to show the belief in something is what drives your mental to accomplish it.
Nice video nice informative results. What time of day did you do your blood testing. Is there a difference in our natural testosterone levels when you 1st wake up compared to when you go to sleep or mid day. How do you feel now? Do you still feel the positive results after stopping the pills. I wonder how this would work with someone that is already on TRT?
Yes, testosterone levels can fluctuate up to 30 or 40% through the day for a fully mature man. It is also of course impacted by your diet, stress levels, sleep, and a natural hormone cycle. Without controlling for these things, these tests are essentially meaningless unfortunately.
nice! very curious if you isolated for circadian variables.. did you take your blood tests while fasted and first thing in the morning or were they not at the same times? if not, testosterone fluctuates based on time of day, activity, food intake etc. etc.
This. Also I’ve been told to not do legs a few days before so that can be a factor also. Really important to make sure you write down exactly what you did when you did your test so you do exactly that for your next test.
Have to say Shervin, I found your channel tonight and I think I've binge watched a good bit of your content. The production value is amazing and the consistency in editing is incredibly appealing. Thanks for making the content you do as it can lead to some insightful inner dialogue. In particular your "Wasted 20's" video really spoke to me as someone who just passed into 26 and hasn't really found a calling that works for me. I'm quite good at everything I tend to do, but the thought of strapping myself into a particular field of work scares me for some reason. The commitment isn't the issue, rather the long term enjoyment. Regardless, some of the things you said in that video spoke to me and helped me get a bit closer to really settling on a path. Thank you brother :)
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TomCat Alley. Now I cant get that image out of my head. I dont recall you saying at the end of the trial if libido changed much. Earlier you said it was not noticably altered. Just wondering. Very interesting video.
I think what was also interesting was that at the end of the experiment, inflammation markers increased drastically. hs-CRP went from 0.6 to 1.0, and AST went from 28 to 47. There was also a large drop in Iron, from 75 to 52. Triglycerides increased from 66 to 91. So, there were other things at play here besides just the T increasing. It is entirely likely that the liver was a little angry at the end of the experiement.
The concerning was was a rise in triglycerides,..but also the drop in cortisol is awesome! So did your cortisol drop and your testosterone soar because you slept better and went to the gym or because of the supplements? Maybe another 30 days of those habits and no supplements? Again, GREAT video and great content as well. 😊
I took Tongkat, Fadogia, Boron and D-Aspartic acid for several months and it raised me about 300-350 points, but I also have a pituitary issue that tanks my T levels to around 150, so after taking the supplements I was still under 500 which isn't optimal. I'm back on TRT now but I can definitely see how someone just under the optimal range can get great benefits from these supplements. Of course cycling them is best as you can end up with some nasty side effects if you take them every single day for years.
Hi, could you elaborate more? Both about physical and mental changes? I got a pituitary gland issue too - Rathke Cleft Cyst. LH i testosterone on low margin, I'm 42. I take pills with L-arginine and saponins for now plus I keep healthy lifestyle and diet. I bought Tongkat Ali but haven't spoke about it with my endocrynologist yet. Thanks, and all the best for you ;)
I mean would he even need to if it literally grows his testicles, it follows your body might produce more by default after a while. It's still a bit sketchy in my mind though.
The most interesting thing about these plants/roots is that many tribes already take them though not in these dedicated amounts in their foods and drinks.
just because you increase your total testosterone doesnt' mean a damn thing. It's how much free test you have that isn't being bound up by shbg that really matters. Your free test is pathetically low. It should be around 17 and it's at all. This is why these stupid supplements don't work. The free test is where it's supposed to be at.
I'd love to see a 30-day testosterone check of only the Tongkat ali. I'm a little bit too sketched out on the fadogia. I took it for 60 days and I felt like my groin was just feeling and acting weird and I began having less ejaculate. So I stopped taking it. It took about a month before it went back to normal
Yeah fadogia made my 🥜 ache to the point where I went and got tested just to make sure I was all good. All clear on that front but when I stopped taking the fadogia it ceased
Hi! I’m particularly interested in your expierence after you stopped taking the two herbs. Does it give a crash? Going up is always nice, but if the comedown is nasty, it may be better not to start with them in the first place
There is absolutely no calm down in no side effects from these 2. As I have taken them for years on it off. With no side effects, accept the gains.... I will add that. I take it for about one month duration on and then 1 month off.
@@noopklu I got joint pain which I think is from Tongkat. But I think it’s because I didn’t cycle it enough . It lowers estrogen which can cause osteoporosis
Let us know if the gains in focus and strength drop after you have stopped taking the supplements. Btw one side effect associated with testosterone supplements long term is accelerated organ aging.
curious - did you track your DHT levels before and after? Did you notice any changes in your hair? extra shedding or fall perhaps? thanks for the video btw!
Without a doubt, exposure to 30% more androgens would have a significant effect on body composition and strength over an extended period. Though I'd have liked to have seen a few blood tests done at either end of the study to rule out anomalies.
don't get to excited it isn't that significant. the discipline and diet is most important over time, not these pills. The tradeoff of constantly taking these pills for a supposedly 30% increase of T isn't too appealing for me. Not to say we are not even sure that after some time the body gets used to it and the T gets back to baseline (as in other marketed testosterone supplements).
I use Sigma from Gorilla Mind to get those ingredients and effects for myself - they have a cycle protocol on the bottle, so each one lasts like 3 1/2 months, making the price pretty great. I was paying for them separately before and it was far more expensive.
Thanks Shervin for the video and the analytics proof. I've had tongkat ali a few times years ago and it does work. When i am stuck at loosing fat and i have this stuff I begin to lose fat and gain lean muscle at the same time. I don't take it more frequenty because where i live (in Spain) is not a common supplement, you have to buy it from other countries, pay taxes, whait for a long delibery and getting the risk of being scammed. Once i bought one from ebay and I swear the pills were full of sawdust. It is very easy to make sure the product is legit because it tastes like hell (extremely bitter).
@@ShervinShares what an incredible testament to these two supplements though… I’ve had similar results. My total T is currently around 700-going to take 600mg of tongkat daily for 30 days and draw it again.
Biggest changes for me taking tongkat everyday for 60 days was +libido, +motivation/energy in the gym and in general. BUT i definitely noticed much more hair loss when washing my hair, which spooked me out.
I’m a little over a week into this same experiment and I think it might be giving me some gastrointestinal issues. Almost feel like I have a minor flu. Could be unrelated but curious if others experience something similar.
All supplements, herbs, and drugs can cause gastrointestinal issues. A week is a short time though. If you are still experiencing this after a month or two, I would say stop taking it. Sometimes it takes time for your system to adjust to new supplements.
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Brother it's helpful for also sex work or not
Did you use any other supplements besides what you advertised? I'm asking because I ordered the same thing and I want to follow the same protocol
Highlights
Increased testosterone levels by 39.5% (838 ng/dL) after 30 days.
Free testosterone increased by 33% (12 ng/dL), SHBG increased by 6% (35).
Gained 5 pounds of lean mass and improved bone density.
Experienced elevated energy, motivation, and focus.
Noticed subtle strength gains and improved ability to stay focused.
Faced potential side effects like irritability and insomnia.
Considered cycling on and off the supplements for long-term use.
thanks for summarizing!
Thanks for this! 👍🏻
It also contains high levels of mercury. Have fun getting stronger and dumber simultaneously.
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Majority of fitness influencers dont care about this...
A book that changed my life in ways that I never could imagine is "Secret Testosterone Nexus of Evolution".Drop whatever you're doing right now and go find that book. Trust me after I implemented things from the book my testosterone levels went beast mode
@@Ziggle-ky9kv that book doesn't exist
@@Ziggle-ky9kv it’s increased my blood pressure
WOW 😳!
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@@johannesl5440 there is a background story 🤣 he used to deadlift world class numbers in his mom basement with washing machines behind him 🤣 you can search and find these old videos of him
I literally wanted to see someone try this.. here's to help cover some of those expenses!
Dan you're amazing!! TY SO MUCH. WOW I'm honored. What do you want to see me try next for a video??
@@ShervinShares You deserve it! I love the videos you make, no matter what topic you cover.. Some other ideas for videos would be different protocols from Huberman to try or maybe even some of Bryan Johnson's Blueprint.. although Bryan's are extreme! You're the man Shervin! Keep up the great work brother!
I've been taking Tongkat Ali, and fadogia agrestis as a combo as suggested by Huberman for six or so months, and I'd definitely say motivation and energy have improved. But it comes in waves. No negative side effects that I've felt or seen...so far. Great video bud.
Oh wow interesting! Have you cycled on and off at all? Or straight 6 months?
@@ShervinShares yeah it’s like a 6weeks on 4 weeks off type of thing.
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Did you measure the grapes as well. Testicular Toxicity?? is it worth the gains.
you still look slim
I've been taking this for about 2 months, and I saw an increase as well. But how I felt was better. That has been the best.
Its important to comment that it really only works when your diet and exercise are already on point.
Great video!
what happened when you stopped?
or what happend when you dont take any magic pills but just look at your diet and exercise?! :)
May the grace of YESHUA be wtih all
Nah, that’s just because your diet and exercise make you feel good and naturally promote good hormonal usage, the drug is most likely a placebo or very minor. Remember, all it is doing (at best) is increasing your testosterone levels from a normal level to a slightly higher, but still within normal, level. Research is pretty clear that such small fluctuations within the normal range are not very impactful if impactful at all. To see the actual effects of increased testosterone, you need to be far outside of the normal range. This is why proper TRT treatment on someone with low testosterone doesn’t suddenly turn them into a muscle bound beast. To see muscle effects, you need to abuse the treatment.
@@TheHeadincharge Nicely said. I think health, from a holistic standpoint, should be the primary goal. Everything else will eventually follow that. Diet, stress management, proper sleep, proper amount and kind of exercise combined will all do more for optimal hormone levels than an herbal supplement.
I do think that some supplements can help to boost a bit, but the above factors are far more important as a toto and especially in combo.
@@TheHeadincharge i just tested at 450 today during a TRT consultation and the side effects scared me right out of the building suppressing natural testosterone with ester is not a good idea, hair loss, huge cysts, roid rage, shrunken tiny baby nuts, there is forever side effects and there is a list of 20 + temp side effects ? no thanks.
Every two videos: so let me get a DEXA scan :D
Radiation ☢️ levels have turned me green
That is actually great…
If you can't measure it you can't master it 🤷
Should make a shirt saying it. “Let me get a Dexa scan
@@MrTbonge LOLOL
Please take your testosterone again in a month or two and let us know how far/fast it dropped during that time. Very interested to see if taking these supplements on an interval basis might be optimal.
Your bound to fuck up something in the long run taking stuff like this. If you dont need it, dont take it
More PLates More Dates has a Sigma tes formula that has this exact amount. He recommends cycling 1 month on 1 month off
@@Boltbacker83which means you can never stop?
@@jcpoc7032 You're stopping for a month at a time. But just like anything else in the entire world, if you stop taking it, you stop getting the benefits.
@@Cpk20001it's not a Test supplement, it won't mess you up long term
this video was so good that i came back to watch it again, 200% retention
watch your subscribers double over night because of this
It also contains high levels of mercury. Have fun getting stronger and dumber simultaneously.
Really, this does sweet F all. Just an advert
@@ShervinSharesI'm curious about how you felt after you came off. I assume that is where the real harm is.
@@CoryMickey where did you get that from
I took my bloodwork 3 times over 2 months.
baseline: 19 nmol/L / 547 ng/dL
month 1 (Tongkat Ali): 24 / 692
month 2 (Tongkat Ali + Fedogia A.): 16 / 461
So T.A increased my T, but F.A lowered it!
This was a year ago and I distinctly remember feeling worse the 2nd month.
Me and F.A just doesn't agree with each other.
I did a test once after a meal and midday, it was at 19nmol/L then I did it fasted early in the morning, it was 22.5nmol/L. Can a meal and late test really make a difference?
@@BudgetGainsByJJ yes the time of day and fasting make a difference. For prescription testosterone replacement patients get their testosterone tracked by getting morning fasting testosterone so I would recommend same for someone using OTC supplements
that sucks. if there was one i was going to pick over the other it was fadogia. maybe not now. any other lifestyle factor changes that could have possibly contributed?
@@Thleta no same job, same lifestyle
Finally an authentic video how you want it to be, thanks man
Did you take them with food or on a empty stomach? Give me exactly how you took them pleaee, thanks a lot!
I took them whenever I had time. No intention or food or no food
Also thank you!!
@@ShervinShares would you say you took them mostly with food or without?
Thanks!
I've stacked Fadogia and Tongkat, stopped taking the Fadogia as it made my nuts ache. Fadogia also caused this weird sensitivity in my hamstring, such that any movement that stretched the hamstring at all would cause pain and discomfort. Thought it was a coincidence but I confirmed it after cycling on and off it 3 separate times. Tongkat works more like an energy booster for me, but if you stay on it long term it loses it's "spark" so to speak, the best way to use it is only use it on lift days, and don't use it at all during deload weeks. Tongkat always felt like a stimulant to me.
Nootropics Depot has the strongest Tongkat Ali on the market. Need to give it a try along with their Cistanche Tubulosa. Cistanche is much safer than Fadogia as no one really knows how fadogia works or what specific compounds are causing positive or negative effects. Or you can check out their In Search Of Insight podcast on testosterone and they go over their concerns with Fadogia.
interesting I also been getting some soreness in my hamstrings so far been taking it for 2 days will be my 3rd this morning, could be because I'm peaking too early with my strength training, might be that actually because my bench dropped quite a lot today from last week.
hey, i didnt feel any soreness in my balls or hamstring, but i cant sleep. Today is my 4th day and i cant sleep. Did that happen to you and in how many days, did it go back to normal?
been 2 months taking fadogia and tongkat, was trying to see what has better effects. It seems that adding fadogia is giving me long "morning glories" more than tongkat on it's own which is interesting. I haven't really seen my strength going up like crazy but I say my recovery has been getting better, currently taking 200mg of Tongkat 4 days a week and 400mg of fadogia on a monday and thursday with tongkat. might up the dose.
overall this compound has fixed my ED as I can stay harder for longer during fun but I don't feel it's heighten my sexual urges. I don't however feel I got that energy I used to have in my mid 20's
I'm also feeling a lot more relaxed at work these days and less stress, focus when it counts is better, I can focus for longer during the day
@@Gates2Aion but did you get insomnia?? if yes, how did you solve it???
After my 3rd time watching this, i gained 3 pounds of muscle maybe
I hope your iPhone is working 💪
A good structured video. Keep going 🙏🏻
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Never stop making the videos, bro. Your videos and content are really helpful. ❤
Thank you! Means so much!
Testosterone fluctuates greatly throughout the day so it's pretty hard to say if it was effective
This is for entertainment purposes only
Not if you pin it!
Hey buddy seriously great work! Im a doctor and i love your stuff! I noticed your AST on your blood work @9:08 almost doubled (from 28 to 47) and normal range for AST based on my experience tops out at about 40, nothing to worry about 47 is not bad at all but because it doubled and your a young healthy man and these supplements have been known to increase liver enzymes I would keep an eye on it! All the best.
what could be the negative side effects of a high AST?
I looked at his results. AST/ALT increased concurrently. Let's not forget, he is also exercising regularly, which might have been a factor that contributed to AST rise, but given that ALT has also increased, I agree with your recommendation to keep an eye. For people who wonder. It may be a sign on liver inflammation. Say he continues to take...will this trend follow/worsen. Personally, I would stay away.
@@adm7282 it may be a sign of liver inflammation. Again nothing major at this level, but we are talking about a possible trend comparing his baseline to a month later. Also, may not be supplement related at all. AST is also found in skeletal muscle and other tissues thus can be elevated post heavy workout.
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Nice work buddy
I love that you get medical advice from a guy sitting in front of his washer and dryer.
Dude - this is such such such a great video. Excellent study and super well disclosed throughout that you didn't know side effects etc so people could take it or leave it. Just fantastic content man - you are killing it
Thank you so much! Means a lot! Any other experiments that you want to see me run?
@@ShervinShares haha well you seem to be covering the spectrum man - excellent diverse content too. I'll think more about it though!
That’s interesting… I’d like to hear more about how your dieting, workload, and sleep changed, as well as any other changes in your lifestyle that might’ve affected your testosterone levels. I mean a 30% increase from a pill is huge, if true
The stuff works. I’ve been on it for years. Just make sure to cycle on and off.
bs 37% bone dens
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 lmao BULLSHIT ALERT.
@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 why cycle? Why not just take less consistently?
@@rahmannanees Can't speak for other folks. I took it every other day, and I completely skipped weekends. But I didn't notice that much of a difference, except an increase in hair loss, but I think that was more due to creatine overall.
I think you are misreading the DEXA T score. You went from 0.8 to 1.1. That is not an increase in bone density, it is a decrease. 1.1 is still nothing to worry about though. 2.5 is the level at which the diagnosis becomes osteoporosis.
Really interesting video. It would be nice to see a follow up, perhaps after 1-3 months off those herbs, to see if you numbers remain the same or if they return to pre-test baseline. Thank you.
Great question! I’ll keep testing and make an update in a future video
@@ShervinShares That be real cool, cause while its all fun and interesting to test the short-term stuff.. longevity bro, that's where the real juice is at :P
PS: Love your vids man. I can listen to Huberman talk about some shit and then wonder "I wonder if Shervin tested this shit out" and go look you up and tadaa xD Its like huberman provides the knowledge but you provide the live testing. Lowkey power-duo ^^,
@@Neeko90 that's my life goal right there!
@ShervinShares I've heard fadogia increases penis size. True?
@@ShervinSharesplease do really appreciate 🙏🏻
You truly respect your parents. If so, very good and keep growing !
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Out of curiosity, did you do the bloodwork at the same time each day, controlling for variables such as fasted/not fasted, etc? That would really give the tests more validity.
still there is the lean mass. which is kinda impressive in 30 days
*reliability
@@franzhulk2947 You can go do a dexa scan, do nothing for a month, come in for another scan and get similar results in either direction lmao
I laughed when you referenced the FDA, like they are a responsible agency...
What really would be interesting to know is what your levels do 30 days after you stopped. Does it go lower than it was before, stay the same, or does it stays higher for longer time. When you know that you would be able to know how long you would need to pause. disclaimer im not a docter just curious
bruh. good content. please stay detailed and genuine. thank you!
Ofc I will!
Took them for 6 months, and saw no increase in test, tho my SHBG went down about 30%. But noticed no change in mood or drive or libido what so ever. Great video.
Such small changes in testosterone are not going to be noticeably impactful. If you’re already within the normal range, these supplements aren’t taking you out of that range. Even though 35% seems like a lot, our body already fluctuates by that amount daily for a lot of men and still puts you within the normal, typical range. To see actionable effects of any testosterone booster, you either need to have low testosterone or increase your normal amount by multiple times. Guys who abuse TRT are using up to 50+ times the natural levels.
@@TheHeadincharge agree! That's why measured my test with bloodwork to be sure!
What was you shgb # before and after?
Thanks!
Wow thank you!
Thank you for this honest, unbiased, researched, and data pumped vid! Clear, concise, and super helpful! :)
Definitely got irritability from tongkat+fadogia+boron. Also sometimes messed up my stomach. I did a baseline test before hand with no variables changed besides the pills and I had a huge drop in free test.
Going to try again with different sourcing soon.
I am very optimized from a health perspective and my baseline was just under 800 total and 21 free at 33 yrs old.
Cool to see someone actually take a proper baseline. So many Reddit people add in other things or start weight training for the first time or something.
You got some amazing test levels already
I tried it, it did absolutely nothing. Completely useless supplement imho
@@jonconnelly483 Surprised it worked so well for Shervin, it seems like it's hit and miss for people. He's the first i've seen it work for someone who already had great levels. I am excited to try it one more time just to see if my results were a fluke and tied to other factors. Waiting until i'm done losing weight from marathon training though.
@@jonconnelly483 I also feel like unless you are getting like a 200-300 T bump along with a similar bump in Free T, that it wouldnt' be worth it if you are getting any of the sides.
Mate. Just f*cking stop. Natty test boosters DO NOT WORK. You are wasting your time and your money.
I took TRT 75ml a week and my free testosterone went from 6.9 to 51 within 6 months! I lowered my dose to 50 ml and now it is 32. My total testosterone level is around 1500.
Man that’s incredible, so how do you feel? Any negatives?
Hair loss?
once u do Trt there is no way back&say Good bye to ur natural Testosterone!!
remember folks always go to your dedicated physician and ask about testosterone supplements/injections.... as every body is individual in reaction to it, there can be all sorts of dangerous side effects, like infertility, high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, liver disease etc. Always, ALWAYS be safe first.
your vids are so good dude!
Thank you so much!!! What other topics do you want to see!
@@ShervinShares Dude I ALWAYS struggle with deciding to wear my apple watch ultra or garmin epix 2 pro (new hr sensor) IDK why i struggle so much haha some of your vids have helped...but im so indesisive
Mate you should get another blood test done to see how long it takes for your test level to return to what it was, that'd be interesting to see if it last longer or back to normal in like a couple of days 😅
I want to! So expensive tho - plan to do one few months later so we’ll see
for my experience, they go below the normal range e stays there for a few weeks.
Wow I watched these viral videos you post and now I have a lot of subs
That’s how one finds success in life
I wonder if there is any metabolic lag after the herbs are stopped? Did your testosterone levels go back to the baseline numbers? Or did they drop below those numbers for a time. And if so did you then lose the gains you made on the herbs? It would be interesting to understand the benefits and consequences. Thanks, excellent video.
i would love to know this too its the whole reason not to take them if they have negative rebound, we need someone to show blood work 1 week and 1 month after stopping
I was thinking exactly the same and would love to see the results of another blood test after you stopped. How about your sleep, has it improved since you stopped taking them? Great video btw, very interesting.
ive been taking ashwagonda and i for sure notice the diffrence I stopped for a month or two and didn't lose any gains. I just didn't feel as good working out, or as horny.
@zachemorgan lucky you, for me no difference
I've tried Ashwaganda, Tongat Ali, Fadogia Agrestis, Red Ginseng.. and a few other testosterone supplements that I don't remember the name of, for at least a month each, and all of them had a negative rebound. Even the ones that didn't have very noticeable effects on me resulted in some degree of lethargy for a while after I stopped taking them.
The Fadogia and Tongat Ali combo completely killed my sex drive for at least a week after I stopped. I can't confirm whether or not it's true, but I've definitely heard more than once that supplements related to boosting testosterone or Melatonin all have negative rebounds. This doesn't apply to all types of supplements, but it seems to be common for the ones that promote sleep and testosterone increases in particular.
A recent study in July 2023 by a group of scientists from the Pharmacology and Toxicology Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Jos, Nigeria showed severe side effects on kidney and liver after administering Fadogia extract on rats for 40 days.
The study showed that the albino rats treated with 50 mg/kg of Fadogia extract showed ballooning necrosis (death of tissue cells), while rats treated with 100 mg/kg extract showed massive tissue degeneration (necrosis), and rats treated with 200 mg/kg of the extract also showed further ballooning necrosis.
The study suggests strong evidence of the damaging side effects of Fadogia on liver at low dosages, causing the death of body tissue in the liver (i.e necrosis) which cannot be reversed.
I think it would've been valuable to see the results after stopping the supplements after a month or two, but keeping the same workout habits.
I can do an update later!
@@ShervinSharesplease do it will be interesting
I am from India. I have seen you or your video for the first time on youtube and love this video. Thanks for making the video in details along with the blood report. I can not explain that this video has helped me a lot. Thank you so much.
FYI,Fadogia agrestis is similar to the luthenizing hormone so taking it will increase the signal for the testes to produce more testosterone
Tongkat ali releases more free testosterone from shbg so its gonna increase the usable testosterone for the body (only 2% of the total testosterone produced by the body is useable for muscle growth as most is binded by the shbg's)
Ps. What was your dht levels?....did it increase, stayed the same because usually excess test is converted to dht by the body... *also after stopping taking both the herbs did the test levels stay at 800 or did it decrease to baseline levels? Also how long were you able to hold on to that lean muscle mass after you stopped?
Just stumbled upon your content dude. Funny and to the point. Keep it up. You got a new subscriber
Are you still taking both products? If so, an update would be welcome some months down the line, to see if the numbers stay high or if the body adapts and downregulates its testosterone production.
The problem with taking both products at the same time for your experiment, though, is that all the benefits may come from just _one_ of the two products, making taking both a waste of money and an unnecessary health risk.😕
Gr8 video, I think tongkat ali is the safer option rn?
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Dont messure your arms, better messure your testicles and see them get smaller!!!
Hello I am afraid to use again tongat ali bcz of insomnia since I barely sleep. Can I know how many hours where you sleeping while using the supplements?
I see a difference, you look swollen...I'm assuming your grapes are now Grapefruits.
Even those in porn and not in porn, don't need T, they are better off eating food and perhaps BCAA.
Love your soul and lack of apathic behavior, sympathic speedy spontaniously and sharp presentations! You and Jeremy ethier the best!
I got my bloodwork done a week or so ago, and my doc actually recommended tongkat/fidogia as a natural testosterone booster and I’m already 3 days in….man I feel it. It’s crazy how much this stuff works. I’ll update yall in a month:
(Also, I’m getting bloodwork in 3 months again to see any increase in test)
These results are insane. How much were you training over the 30 days?
bro, not even trenbolone will give you results in 30 days, trust me, i'm on it right now.
been taking it for 3 weeks while i was cutting i lost 4kg bodyweight and increased my bench with 12,5kg (90-102,5kg) in less than 3 weeks don't know if its the supplement but i don't think hitting a new pr every week is normal.
I did multiple cycles of tongkat ali + fedogia + boron and felt incredible. Better mentality, more strength, more endurance, more muscle. ALTHOUGH.... my hair started to shed. I did around 3 cycles of this 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off. I loved it but it destroyed my hair. I have since then stopped and obviously the pros have vanished, but my hair has started falling out a bit less.
take saw palmetto for your hair,Helps block DHT.
Your DHT levels are likely higher which is accelerating the hair loss. At the end of the day, hair loss is mostly genetic, so the increased DHT levels are just going to increase it.
how old are you?
so you stop taking it and you lose that muscle mass?
supplement esp this aggressively always leads to sharp consequences, a gradual maintenance dose would have been better!
Great video and great documentary evidence. Thanks, man!
Interesting video, thanks. Huberman also always states that Habits > Nutrition > Supplements. What changes in terms of habits and nutrition did you make during the experiments and the month before, as it was embedded in another challenge? Cheers
Huberman is in the business of selling supplements and crappy advice under the guise of pseudo-science. He often gets stuff wrong or cites bad science on stuff outside his neuroscience expertice.
You missed the oppurtunity to take blood results and everything coming off the supplements... would like to see those results and how its impacted long term.
bunp
Future video!
Interesting video, thanks for sharing! I've been taking Tongkat Ali along with Ashwaganda for the last month and a half and Ive just signed up for a blood test in a couple of days. Kinda tired from having to swallow so many pills every day, but i do feel better (maybe it's placebo, who knows).
Hello danny did it increase your testosterone?
Man this video was great. I’m definitely going to try these supplements out. Thanks for the video. Good stuff.
so before this man took the midway blood test he said he wasnt feeling any kinda change but when he saw the results of an increase in testosterone all of a sudden he started to feel different? Just goes to show the belief in something is what drives your mental to accomplish it.
Placebo effect is powerful
Hilarious, honest and informative. I like your style.
It would be interesting to see your testosterone level 20 days after stopped taking them. Have they plummeted below your 600 mark?
Did the insomnia stop? I had the same effect and stopped immediately when it started effecting sleep.
Nice video nice informative results. What time of day did you do your blood testing. Is there a difference in our natural testosterone levels when you 1st wake up compared to when you go to sleep or mid day. How do you feel now? Do you still feel the positive results after stopping the pills. I wonder how this would work with someone that is already on TRT?
Yes, testosterone levels can fluctuate up to 30 or 40% through the day for a fully mature man. It is also of course impacted by your diet, stress levels, sleep, and a natural hormone cycle. Without controlling for these things, these tests are essentially meaningless unfortunately.
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The first time I tried turkesterone which I don't use now I also got an immediate 10kg extra on my pulldowns. But it seemed to taper off so I stopped.
First time seeing your stuff. I liked and subscribed.
nice! very curious if you isolated for circadian variables.. did you take your blood tests while fasted and first thing in the morning or were they not at the same times? if not, testosterone fluctuates based on time of day, activity, food intake etc. etc.
This. Also I’ve been told to not do legs a few days before so that can be a factor also. Really important to make sure you write down exactly what you did when you did your test so you do exactly that for your next test.
Wild background for that guys zoom. Goggins on a washing machine
Have to say Shervin, I found your channel tonight and I think I've binge watched a good bit of your content. The production value is amazing and the consistency in editing is incredibly appealing. Thanks for making the content you do as it can lead to some insightful inner dialogue. In particular your "Wasted 20's" video really spoke to me as someone who just passed into 26 and hasn't really found a calling that works for me. I'm quite good at everything I tend to do, but the thought of strapping myself into a particular field of work scares me for some reason. The commitment isn't the issue, rather the long term enjoyment. Regardless, some of the things you said in that video spoke to me and helped me get a bit closer to really settling on a path. Thank you brother :)
Great job on the deadlift PR
Anyone here having trouble sleeping, then perhaps try these tips? I was a poor sleeper, now I sleep like a baby!
1) Read Paul Mckenna book called I can make you sleep
2) Meditate every day
3) Give up binge drinking, and binge processed food
4) Don`t drink coffee after 7.00 pm
5) Take a trip to the doctor, and ask for help without the use of too many meds.
6) Don`t get addicted to sleeping pills
7) Keep a journal and write about all your troubles in it. After a few weeks burn the journal.
8) A warm milky drink like Ovaltine can help near bedtime
9) NO smoking of anything, dope will not work in the long run.
10) Keep the bedroom dark
11) Keep the bedroom cool too.
12) Go to bed around the same time each day.
13) Do get up and do something boring, then go back to bed if you are tossing and turning for hours
14) Sometimes a warm shower can calm the nerves.
15) Do not alarm clock watch either, have a blue light not red slight alarm clock as that may cause the brain to overthink.
Good sleep can add up to 2 years to women`s life and maybe 3 to 5 to men.
TomCat Alley. Now I cant get that image out of my head. I dont recall you saying at the end of the trial if libido changed much. Earlier you said it was not noticably altered. Just wondering. Very interesting video.
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@@extendedplay8830 herbs are natural
I think what was also interesting was that at the end of the experiment, inflammation markers increased drastically. hs-CRP went from 0.6 to 1.0, and AST went from 28 to 47. There was also a large drop in Iron, from 75 to 52. Triglycerides increased from 66 to 91. So, there were other things at play here besides just the T increasing. It is entirely likely that the liver was a little angry at the end of the experiement.
The concerning was was a rise in triglycerides,..but also the drop in cortisol is awesome! So did your cortisol drop and your testosterone soar because you slept better and went to the gym or because of the supplements? Maybe another 30 days of those habits and no supplements? Again, GREAT video and great content as well. 😊
Not concerning at all. Higher androgen levels make lipids worse.
This doesen't rise your triglycerides
I took Tongkat, Fadogia, Boron and D-Aspartic acid for several months and it raised me about 300-350 points, but I also have a pituitary issue that tanks my T levels to around 150, so after taking the supplements I was still under 500 which isn't optimal.
I'm back on TRT now but I can definitely see how someone just under the optimal range can get great benefits from these supplements.
Of course cycling them is best as you can end up with some nasty side effects if you take them every single day for years.
Hi, could you elaborate more? Both about physical and mental changes? I got a pituitary gland issue too - Rathke Cleft Cyst. LH i testosterone on low margin, I'm 42. I take pills with L-arginine and saponins for now plus I keep healthy lifestyle and diet. I bought Tongkat Ali but haven't spoke about it with my endocrynologist yet. Thanks, and all the best for you ;)
I mean would he even need to if it literally grows his testicles, it follows your body might produce more by default after a while. It's still a bit sketchy in my mind though.
The most interesting thing about these plants/roots is that many tribes already take them though not in these dedicated amounts in their foods and drinks.
just because you increase your total testosterone doesnt' mean a damn thing. It's how much free test you have that isn't being bound up by shbg that really matters. Your free test is pathetically low. It should be around 17 and it's at all. This is why these stupid supplements don't work. The free test is where it's supposed to be at.
Yep,you're damn right
Love your vlogs. Drew from Scotland 🏴
I'd love to see a 30-day testosterone check of only the Tongkat ali. I'm a little bit too sketched out on the fadogia. I took it for 60 days and I felt like my groin was just feeling and acting weird and I began having less ejaculate. So I stopped taking it. It took about a month before it went back to normal
If you take something to have more testosterone... youre gonna need to not masturbate xd
You are supposed to cycle fadogia. So Tongat Ali everyday and fadogia is everyday for a month, then 2 week break and repeat.
@@Toxxixtongkat ali 800mg table is fine right?????
Yeah fadogia made my 🥜 ache to the point where I went and got tested just to make sure I was all good. All clear on that front but when I stopped taking the fadogia it ceased
Hi by consuming Fadogia and Tongkat Ali what types of blood or any test is necessary to make sure we had no side effects?
Interesting results, thanks for doing this ShervinShares
Hi! I’m particularly interested in your expierence after you stopped taking the two herbs. Does it give a crash? Going up is always nice, but if the comedown is nasty, it may be better not to start with them in the first place
There is absolutely no calm down in no side effects from these 2. As I have taken them for years on it off. With no side effects, accept the gains.... I will add that. I take it for about one month duration on and then 1 month off.
Personally, I took it for 6 months. Started to have terrible joint pain so I stopped. Once I stopped I felt like complete crap for about 3 months.
@@noopklu I got joint pain which I think is from Tongkat. But I think it’s because I didn’t cycle it enough . It lowers estrogen which can cause osteoporosis
I noticed a difference with Tongkat Ali and fadogia agrestis. It definitely worked but it gave me horrible diarrhea.
Let us know if the gains in focus and strength drop after you have stopped taking the supplements. Btw one side effect associated with testosterone supplements long term is accelerated organ aging.
uh oh i will need to measure my organ aging then. i've stopped and the subtle boost is gone, but the benefit was so much it's not a big difference
Michigan man? Ive only heard of Quest Diag in michigan!
curious - did you track your DHT levels before and after? Did you notice any changes in your hair? extra shedding or fall perhaps? thanks for the video btw!
Do you think this could cause hair loss?
This is an important question because some substances simply increase T by inhibiting its conversion to DHT (which would probably lower libido).
@@Mark4Jesus scary
Love your videos man... Im happy i discovered your channel because of Andrew huberman routine videos❤️
Awesome! Thank you! What kind of video should I make next??
Without a doubt, exposure to 30% more androgens would have a significant effect on body composition and strength over an extended period. Though I'd have liked to have seen a few blood tests done at either end of the study to rule out anomalies.
don't get to excited it isn't that significant. the discipline and diet is most important over time, not these pills.
The tradeoff of constantly taking these pills for a supposedly 30% increase of T isn't too appealing for me. Not to say we are not even sure that after some time the body gets used to it and the T gets back to baseline (as in other marketed testosterone supplements).
Quality video, very informative and well made. Thank you
I use Sigma from Gorilla Mind to get those ingredients and effects for myself - they have a cycle protocol on the bottle, so each one lasts like 3 1/2 months, making the price pretty great. I was paying for them separately before and it was far more expensive.
interesting, I'll have to check it out!
sigma says "sold out"
I got tongkat and fadogia 200 pills each for $5
@@cashkarti Where'd you get them?
@@WOLFanddBEAR amazon
Watching this video on silent with subs because my kid is sleeping next to me. 1st video i ever saw of you, susbcribed 😊
Thanks Shervin for the video and the analytics proof. I've had tongkat ali a few times years ago and it does work. When i am stuck at loosing fat and i have this stuff I begin to lose fat and gain lean muscle at the same time. I don't take it more frequenty because where i live (in Spain) is not a common supplement, you have to buy it from other countries, pay taxes, whait for a long delibery and getting the risk of being scammed. Once i bought one from ebay and I swear the pills were full of sawdust. It is very easy to make sure the product is legit because it tastes like hell (extremely bitter).
Did you notice any side effects and how long did you take it?
@@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw my 🍆were on fire 🤣🙈🙈no bad sides, at least in my case. I've usually take it for 6 or 8 weeks
bro i love your videos no one have such a great content like you
Thank you so much 😀
Wow, would love to see a follow up 30 days off of the two to see what your levels are at.
Great question!! I’ll have to update in future video
@@ShervinShares what an incredible testament to these two supplements though… I’ve had similar results. My total T is currently around 700-going to take 600mg of tongkat daily for 30 days and draw it again.
Thanks for getting straight to the point. Non of that beat around the bush bs
This is my fourth time watching the video, happy father's day i am almost at 200k subs everybody
Yeah youre full of shit
Great video mate
Tongkat did nothing for me in a month
@@Mikodemuz11 make sure you get from a good brand! There's fakes and bad farming from certain suppliers
Biggest changes for me taking tongkat everyday for 60 days was +libido, +motivation/energy in the gym and in general. BUT i definitely noticed much more hair loss when washing my hair, which spooked me out.
I’m a little over a week into this same experiment and I think it might be giving me some gastrointestinal issues. Almost feel like I have a minor flu. Could be unrelated but curious if others experience something similar.
All supplements, herbs, and drugs can cause gastrointestinal issues. A week is a short time though. If you are still experiencing this after a month or two, I would say stop taking it. Sometimes it takes time for your system to adjust to new supplements.
any updates? I got diarrhea from taking 2nd day right now
What WATCH are you wearing ??? its nice man.