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2022 why i like the 120" ci ultima motor 80ci evo replacement harley twincam beware by tatro machine
"EVO, best motor Harley ever made" Amen.
Yes agreed. What's better is that both Ultima and S&S made bigger and better Evos available forever!
@@Steve_Kelly_Oak but why do the damn S&S have to cost so damn much? Lol. It's a better deal to find a low milage in a 7k bike than it is to buy a new one. Ultimas are great buys though, everyone that I've known just says the break in is crucial with them. When a friend let me ride his bike with a 113 and I got off my bike with a stock 80" and hopped on his and took off..... I think I stained his seat.
GAWD DAMN RIGHT! 💯 companies dont prosper when they build something too good! I know that doesnt make any sense what so ever! The companies that dare like honda and toyota know they can keep long time customers for life! For some crazy reason HD doesn't use the same method! But rather focus on HD wardrobes and clothing lines! Its all about the fashion baby! Nevermind the quality of the motor and so forth! Fuggedaboutit! Just my 2cents! Peace chicken grease!
@stephen2015 Hell yea Skid mark! 😅
Except for the lifter angle sucks
Really like your channel,
Then hearing your bash on Biden!! Now I
Love your channel!!
Keep up the good work!!
Great video!!
Tatro I can’t stop listening to you say “the evo is the best motor Harley ever made” music to my ears as a 99 softail owner. I’ve been eyeing the new bikes lately wondering if I’m missing out.
Harleys are built in Brazil, India and most recently Thailand. Back in the 1980s when HD sold their soul for money to AMF bikers wore their patch upside down.
To no effect.
Back in the day if someone wanted to buy a fake Haley they bought a Hinda, today if you want to buy a fake Honda you guy a Harley.
HD is a dying brand, lost its purpose.
You 100% are lol
@@alljunk4824 what do you ride?
My Harley was 100 percent made in the USA 1999 softail
that is a great story but you don't know crap. amf owed harley from 1968-1982. 1982 is when a group of harley executives purchased harley back from amf. amf is american machine and foundry. that is one of the big usa unions. shortly after the purchase harley went onto the stock market and now everyone can own a piece of harley davidson. get your facts straight.
tatro
@@alljunk4824 You should pay more attention. Just sayin...
I had a 84 Softail. I rode for 28 years. I put 500,000 miles on it. I wish ,I still had it.
Thanks for the input, put a 120" Ultima into my FXR and the difference is night and day.
yes, way more power and it fits, unlike a twincam.
tatro
I've been saying for years, the reason Harley quit making the EVO is because anyone with marginal skills can rebuild them.
Great motor.
Truth
EPA.. CANT MAKE emmisions ..
Wish I could "LIKE" this vid a dozen times!
Great stuff!
The Evo in my 1996 Road King blew a hole thru the rear piston last summer, so I bought the 113" and it's been a dream to ride. Shakes a good bit at idle, but cruisin is nice & smooth. Gobs of grunt all day long, from off the line to 90mph on the interstate. I wanted the 120" but they weren't available for quite a while from Jireh (at that time) and it seemed the 113" was the best bang for the buck. Absolutely happy with my engine. We'll see how long it lasts, though. I'm only up to 1700 miles on it so far.
Finally, a man after my own heart, I will ride my Evos forever. It is the best engine Harley ever built.
I put the same motor in my FXR after deciding s&s was crazy for wanting almost double for a V111. No complaints whatsoever. Very reliable and loves to do wheelies
I bought the s& s v111 and have regretted it ever since !
@@tclark2311why? I have T111 and love it. Thinking about V111 for 98 road king.
@@tclark2311what’s the regret with the v111? I have a ancient 113 that’s doing well now that I’ve c worked it out, which us very different from the 111
Heard it from the man! Evo is the best engine Harley ever made!👍🤠
I totally concur with you on the Evo!! I sold my TC and went back to a 95 dresser
Smart man!
@@kennethwise7108 never gave up my shovels though 😂
@@tomboone201 I've had shovels, the biggest problem is the crappie intake manifold design. I've never had one that DIDN'T leak. Garbage...
i like all the harley engines and I hope to own 1 of every big twin but the evo is the overall best engine and the last true classic Harley engine. I love that every individual component can be replaced. They almost remind of a miniature version of the waukesha engines I make a living fixing
I got the 127 in my chop and that motor is Nasty!! Highly recommend and very reasonable price.
I would go with S&S. Unfortunately nobody makes an 80 inch EVO anymore. But you can get parts. That's why I'm rebuilding the original EVO motor in my 1989 FXRS Low Rider. I don't want a bigger motor. I don't want more power. If I did I'd get a V Max or a Triumph Rocket III. I want a kick back and relax motor that will last past 100,000 miles.
S&S makes an 80" Evo
Great video. Much appreciated. I would like to hear your opinion or see a follow up video on what you recommend, what to consider for the trans and clutch if you’re considering this engine as an upgrade. I’ve got a 98 fxdl and would like the 120 or 127. Thanks again.
When I bought my twin cam last year, I was hoping to find an evo. But the market just wasn’t there. But after having the TC and dealing with the tensioner issue, I REALLY should have held out for the evo
I have what I believe is a awsome 96 FLHTC, good cam an wheel bearings, lifters, upgraded radio, horn and speakers. Less than 14000 miles, new tires needs nothing. Great paint with travel pack. Have all original parts and many extras.
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Don’t disagree with the EVO being the best Harley engine. M8s are actually pretty damn good and easy to work on as well. TCs are the hardest of the 3. I do like all 3 motors personally. Good Video 🤙🏽
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That's awesome information.. I'm going to start building me a old school style long chopper with a springer this winter.. and after seeing scooter Tramp Scotty and the trouble he had with his new s&s 111 its not worth what they're asking
That's dude is an idiot and does not know what he's doing
Nailed the price on rebuilding a evo. I've got 5k in my 98 RK.Andrew's ev27 cam, tmann heads and valve trane,weisco forged pistons,bored .20 over,10:5:1 compression, s&s lifters,adjustable pushrods, cobra fi2000 tuner, cobra 2-1 hp pro pipe lookin back I wished I would've just got an Ultima 120 but I'll run it till it blows then get me 1
Really like this video. The explanation between the Evo and Altima couldn't be better.
I recently purchased the Ultima 107”
115hp/120ft-tq
Assembled and factory set ignition with carb
I installed it (plug and play) Thunderheader exhaust
$4,700 delivered.
Sound motor advice! Love the brake set up...that's slick! Also FJB
I agree, Ultima's Evos are pretty damn sweet and run great. I recently bought an 07 Dyna with a 120R (my 1st HD) and it's quite something. Somethings about this TwinCam are spooky but I know the bike so felt good about it. 135HP/139TQ on a dyno to tune the ThunderMax computer.
135 HP. It's not going to last long.
Got a 77 flh going to rebuilding is 80 inch the best for a highway ride and what cam do think works best
just go watch some of my shovelhead rebuild videos and you can see what i use.
tatro
I like the fact that it has a milder cam in it, to go easy on the valve train. What cam is in it? Thank you, really enjoy your knowledge, and videos!
out of their 107" motor.
tatro
Do the softails have any clearance issues with the Ultima’s? I love the Evo engine because you don’t have to fight too hard to disassemble it on the bike or remove it entirely. But that’s my experience on Sportsters only.
the 120" motor is actually lower than a stock motor. the 113, 127 and 140ci motors are taller.
tatro
I agree totally, I have the 120 in a Softail, 2nd Ultima motor I've used.plenty of power and torque.
i have been looking at the Ultima Shovelhead motors as well as the evo and twin cams ever since you showed in an older vid how they use thicker cases. plus they are or was about half the cost of a S&S. good vid
all true but things have changed some over the years.
tatro
I have a 97 RK. Needs engine rebuild. How much for you to instal a new crate motor on my 97 RK?
Had troubles with my 120 Ultima. First time the lifter failure was covered under factory warranty. 2nd time a lifter failed 20,000 miles after factory re-build, well shit. Was on my own. Nice engine when it ran. Still sitting in the garage. Now I'm running the 127, changed lifters at 5,000 miles. Just cant seem to get the 127 dialed in----should have gone with the Makiuni carb. Keep an eye on those lifters, I went with feuling lifters.
the valve train is the weak link on the ultima chain. i prefer the s&s valve train parts. on a side note, i have seen all brands lifters fail.
tatro
Sorry for your loss! We lost our old guy 2 weeks ago
That in an FXR would be nice. back in the early eighty's i had an 88 inch shovel i got tired of people telling they like a Harley but they were slow after i was done i could out run a 900 kaw on the street. i sold it to a man so sold it to a man i knew that had a lot of bikes in his life and he told me that was the fasted bike he had ever rode. she would pull the front wheel in three gears. it was a 1973 superglide
Damn right on here the best motor for he evo. Quick question getting a 120 evo to put in my twin cam roadglide already have the evo touring transmission. I guess I will be upgrading the clutch ??? The hanks in advance
i like the barnett 10 plate kevlar clutch. you will be needing it.
tatro
Big inch evos run hot. I ran a 117 inch and a 107 in baggers but quite frankly the heat never bothered me😀. It’s the nature of the beast. That power rush that you get when you twist the throttle on a big inch Harley dosent come cheap. Like the old saying goes “ if you want to play you have to pay “ On Harley’s that playtime dosent come cheap .A 4 inch piston generates a lot of heat and there’s no way around it. I agree you with 100 percent about running a smaller cam. Less stress on the valve train, less noise . I learned that from replacing a set of lifters in one summer. That and only getting 5 thousand miles to the rear tire when a 80 inch you should get 8- 10 thousand miles. Once you start running a big inch motor it’s hard to go back to a 80 . I love Mukuni carburetors, they work really well. Thanks for the rundown on the 120. Does Ultima run compression releases on they’re engines?
yes they do, you can see them in the video. horsepower makes heat and that is just how it is. that is why the fins are way bigger on this motor. the next thing is that a small motor has to work way harder than a bigger motor so the big motor can run cooler than a higher reving smaller motor.
tatro
@@TatroMachine I talked to this engine builder that had been working on Harley’s since the late 60s back in the early 90s before the big inch craze caught on. I was putting a 117 inch together that I bought from Merch Performance. He told me the problem with big inch Harley’s is they are heat monsters. He said a 4 inch piston with no water jacket around it is going to run hot and there’s nothing to do about it. He told me if Harley was to put liquid cooling around it you would have a monster because you could have tighter tolerances. He told me that’s what they are trying to do with the twin cams. Bring the valve angles in,more rigid valve geometry more power. My last big inch motor was a 107 Merch . I bought the long block and had to put everything else on it. I loved that engine. I had it in a bagger and I couldn’t wait to ride it everyday. I went through a few lifters and a rear tire 😄but it was worth it. I had a friend in the late 90s that had a little Harley repair shop. He bought 124 Ultima. He only had it for about 2 months and it blew a head gasket I think. It’s been a long time but I do remember him gladly sending it back for warranty, he said 124 was 👍.
i have been told i have been doing things wrong lots of times over the years. all i can say is that i know it but what do i do with all these records i have now.
tatro
@@TatroMachine I’m sorry if my replies gave the impression that I was in someway disagreeing with your video. I totally agree with everything you say 100%. I was stating my experiences with a few different big bore configurations that I happen to have put some mileage on and the results that I encountered. As I said, I ran those engines in a bagger and I rode it well, a lot. Again please excuse me if I offended you, I met know disrespect. Your video and everything you said in it was spot on 100%. Thank you ✌️
I put a 107 Ultima engine in my 1987 Electra Glide about 9 years ago. A couple of mechanics so far have never been able to stop completely the popping from the carb. Last year a roller bearing froze and ruined the cam. There have been other small problems. So sorry I bought it should of fixed the Harley engine.
9 years on a motor that is not tuned correct does not sound that bad to me. even harley will not stand behind their motor over 5 years. what do you want.
tatro
What cam are you suggesting. I have the 113” 640 lift. Not a traffic camshaft. Pulls hard. I want more longevity and smoother traffic riding.
use their 107ci cam or any other brand mid range cam.
tatro
Dude LOOOVE the video! Question for you though I have that SAAME motor 120 el bruto ultima. DO YOU KNOW if there is a service manual for disassembly AND assembly OF THAT SPECIFIC motor you have in this video???
Please and advice would be GREAT for I have looked high and low for a service manual. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
go onto their website and look for one. its an evo so most everything is about the same.
tatro
@@TatroMachine thank you so much, got it fully disassembled and halves split in a single day with not a single issues. 🙏🏽
It’s my favorite as far as out of the box, performance with minor upgrades
I have an older 113. Only problem is a broken rocker support. Me thinks from having to downshift to stay alive.
I did go to a smaller cam. What a nice change.
a lighter set of valve springs to match the cam would help out those rockers and lifters too.
tatro
I bought the 96 inch ultima shovel. Duel plug and a baker 6 speed in a 76 frame. What are your thoughts Tatro?
Thanks!
From all I've studied, the biggest problem with the Shovel was gearing. It needs that OD.
Sounds like what you have is a sweet Ride.
@@SGTJDerek you are correct with gearing. The OD is needed. There is a formula to get your final ratio. I changed my primary gearing and sprocket gearing to get what I needed with the 6 speed in mind, with my 96 inch project (1976 Electroglide). I also have a 72 superglide with the original 76 CI. Its built with the stock crank. When I put a 5 speed it made a world of difference, with the 4 speed it always made me push 3rd to 70mph going up hills. Now it seams seamless with the 5 speed.
Hey Tatro. I just installed a 120 in an old softail frame. Anyway, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. . . Like you, I'll be using an HSR (I've got the 45) and I think a less aggressive cam would suit me better. Just wondering if you would share your recommendation for a cam? Also, do I need to drop the compression with a "milder" cam? If so, what is the right way to do that? Or, would timing adjustment suffice? Thanks in advance! (No pun intended)
I’ve got an Ultima 100ci in a 1991 Electra glide and I love that motor! Reliable power all day long, though I would like to make the change to the mikuni instead of running the Ultima carb. Would you recommend a HRS42 or 45?
I also rebuilt my evo for my FXR this winter and yeah, it would have been totally worth just buying a Ultima.. I wasn’t to far off what the 100ci motor cost.
the hsr42 is fine and will give you better rideability.
tatro
Steve is this a drop in motor for your bike? I have a 92 Electra and it needs a motor. You upgrade the clutch and ignition?
Why do you prefer the 120 vs. the 140?
the 140ci motor is tall and does not fit into alot of frames. its all about the aplication.
tatro
@@TatroMachine Do you have a link to where you ordered that motor? I'm in the market and Ultima's website is...subpar LOL.
I went to a Harley dealership bike night event last night and mine was one of only two Evo's there out of about a hundred bikes !
try going on a shovelhead 😂
how about real harleys, shovels, pans and flats.
tatro
They're all overseas. They are snagging up all the EVOs now. There should be Shovelhead on every corner, but they are mostly gone. So they move on to the next engine series. Carburated Twin Cams, will be next.
What does the serial number start with four Ultima engines?
I have a 2012 Ultima 127 motor it screams and is very reliable motor its in a pro street frame with a 300 back tire and weld 5 spoke wheels trick shift trany and an Altima 3 inch belt drive open primary it's a great high way sled it passes every thing but a gas station I rarely ride it the pipes are the short shot very loud obnoxious but bad ass makuni 48mm HSR carb no problems yet I polished the cases and tooled the fins with a Dremel and drilled 5/16 inch holes down the fins to give it more surface area for better cooling they can use all the mods it can get I run amsoil 20,50 synh in it peace pray for ukraine
Thank you great video ! 1999 Fatboy evo. Which trans do you like ? In a video couple years ago Baker was not to your liking.
Baker I've never heard anyone complain about... Jim's has heavy duty transmissions
you can buy 2 or 3 ultima trans for the cost of the other two and they don't last all that much more.
tatro
There good motor 120 127 & 140 ,but as a engine build & machinist for 35 years get one unassembled , because. Valve job on all for seats was junk. & One cylinder too tight had too hone. Four motors like this from ultima still running strong !
like most things, if you want it done correctly, do it yourself. that is why i rebuild most every new part i use in my rebuilt motors.
tatro
@@TatroMachine same here 35 year building & racing
Thanks, Evos are a good thing. You strike me as a true gearhead. Bravo
Mikuni Flatslide, can’t beat it.
Are these drop in and run? I mean if I have the prejetted R1 carb or a mikuni, will I have to invest extra time dialing it in?
How's the quality with ultima engines?
like i said, i like them for what they are. you can break anything if you try hard enough.
tatro
I have a 98 softail with a tired stock motor and ive been considering one of these. I ride a lot but I only crack the throttle once in awhile, but when I do, I want gobs of torque. Will these motors hold up for state to state riding and occasional hell raising. Thanks
sure, just go buy a 100ci or 107ci motor. it will run cooler and get better mileage.
tatro
Hey tatro im building another 80ci evo with s&S super stock heads matching pistons and a woods 6h cam. What’s your opinion on ultima lifters? Decent, good, or garbage? Thanks!
use the johnson lifters. if you are paying les then $50ea these days, you are not getting the good ones.
tatro
Excellent video Tatro with great info. Thanks for taking the time to share. Cheers P.S love my evo
Are these ultima 120 reliable..? I ride hard my stock evo sees limiter daily
everything will break if you push it hard enough. the head gaskets are the weak link so watch the heat and detonation. count on a set a year if you ride hard and rings every two years.
tatro
@@TatroMachine do they make a better set of gaskets I could change too?
Got a 1985 Electra with the first gen Evo. One of the older bikers I know. Told me my Electra had a evo top with a shovel bottom. He always tells me my motor is bulletproof..lol..
if you havn't noticed yet, harley motors interchange alot over the years. the so called evo crank came out in 1986.
tatro
EVO FOREVER-FOREVER EVO 🎯
PREACH IT BROTHER!!
What cam did you specify in there?
I'm looking to run one of these in an FXR and going for longevity over peak performance.
i special order the cam with the motor. they build them for me as i want. i change up the cam and carb as my customes want.
tatro
MW248 is the Milder cam
I have a 97 FXD dyna and my evo is blown. Would it be better to spend money to rebuild the stock 80 cube, or spend a bit extra and put in the 113?
it cost more to rebuild than to buy an ultima motor. i would use a 107 or 120ci motor, not the 113ci. the longer stroke makes it shake more and not last as long.
tatro
Screw that nonsense, if I were you I'd pull the trigger on a 113" any day over the 120". The 120" head gasket sealing area isn't as large as the 113's is. I'm happy with 130HP, running a CV44 on mine and it's downright NASTY!!
Hey Tatro what's the lighter cam you had installed in 120 motor.
less than what it comes with.
tatro
I have an 06 110 ultima and it's still a monster
Keenan, since Ultima recommends not running a VOES switch couldn't I just keep my stock ignition in place and simply unplug the VOES and put a rubber cap on the carburetors nipple?
i like the voes swith. that gives you a vacuum advance. ultima recommends 25degs total advance so just retard you stock ignition all the way to the front of the timing hole window. adj from there as needed.
tatro
@TatroMachine I found that adding timing to my 113" made a huge difference in eliminating decel pop, backfiring and carburetor sneezing. I advanced it to the rear of my timing hole and turned the plate until the LED went off and tightened it down. Made a WORLD of difference and I'm very pleased with the results. CV44 carburetor 48 pilot /220 main, it's nasty as hell! Perfect combination in my opinion.
Easy question: someone posted a 120 Ultima has head gasket failures ??? so is that a timing problem running way to hot???
most of these motors are purchased to beat the hell out of so you are going to have problems at times. most of the issues i see are tuning and abuse related. this goes for every harley motor i see, new ones or old ones.
tatro
That would be me, if you want the truth about the 120" and head gasket sealing issues please reach out to our town's master engine builder Mr. Mike Magero of Harrisburg PA. He's an old-school engine builder with 40 years of experience. Luckily he gave me advanced knowledge of the 120's blowing head gaskets and recommended the 113" instead. I've got about 300 miles on mine so far and it's been a great mill. I've had to upgrade a bunch of other things and am currently waiting on my Evolution Industries clutch assembly. Hope this helps...
@@kennethwise7108 Thank You for telling us about the 120 Head gasket problem and can you tell us a little more about what ignition like S&S HI-4N?? What Turner being used Vance & Hines fuelpak FP3 OR Power commander map P3??? and the spark plugs in the unit with what base set timing and curve dimension intake being use what head gaskets did the Master use That James Gaskets or Cometic Gaskets are great... did he changed out the cam??? try star racing30-30 cams. try another Dyno Master... there is a cure to a Head Gasket leaking my friend your Master has reach his skill level........... There is a answer...
@@TatroMachine YEP...
@John punch I can't answer all of your questions but I can tell you that they DON'T like advanced timing AT ALL! My motor came with no dip switches for VOES adjustment whatsoever (Ultima ignition 53-645) and was factory-set. I think Ultima finally figured out that was wreaking havoc on their motors and has been eliminated it in its entirety from their big bore motors. My instructions clearly said "Warranty voided if VOES is used". Personally I wouldn't run a VOES in it since it seems to be the culprit for engine failure. I don't know what the supplied modules advance rate actually is but it does have a diode on it to indicate that its advancing but to what degree i don't know... I'd be curious myself. If it does its very minute as compared to a regular HD curve. Sorry if I couldn't help you, thought I'd share what I've learned thus far with mine. If you go to my RUclips channel you can see a short walk around of my 94 Fatboy that I've dubbed "Sarah".
My 2002 HD has the rigid mount Evo /carburetor with 16K miles I wish I would have chilled a bit more I put 8,000 miles on it last summer. Ouch 🤕 however I hear a Evo can get 100K miles and still be running great? You know anyone with that kind of miles on one?
i have seen more than one go over 200k. a 100k is not that hard if you take care of it.
tatro
Yes and they all live in Texas , I have seen first hand EVO engines reach 100,000 miles in only a few years of owning it it was the mid 90's . If you keep the bike stock it go Far . Start Doing Pipes Carb and Cam say Good by to that engine in a short life span .
that is why you take it apart and put it back together built to do what you want it to do and last.
tatro
but you will never see a picture of the factory where those engines are made.That's top secret
I have no problem with a little less horse, with plenty of torque, but less duration with more lift, makes the best low to mid, and sometimes may be harder on the valve train than a bigger old school cam. Set me straight if I am missing something
Thanks, Tatro . Evo good ,Biden bad !
embarrassed for him. fox news agitprop victim.
i am embarrassed for him too. the dems should know better than to take advantage of the their elders like that.
tatro
Was the combo brake designed or can you purchase one I can't find one anywhere.
make your own.
tatro
Keenan, is it possible to run points on those ultima engines ?
Is revtech still building engines ? Why ultima over Rev tech?
yes you can. i don't know about revtech. you just don't see them and parts are hard to come by.
tatro
@@TatroMachine thanks for your time
Made a 152 RWH with a 120 ultima I flowed the heads, made a step exhaust pipe. I have beaten a VROD SO there good motors just need some blue printing the heads valve job was shit had too rebuild them lol
Can you do a short video of why the mikuni over s&s ?
because one is a carburator that can be adjust very well and the other one is a toilet bowl.
tatro
I have an Ultima with the mikuni on my 96 Roadking. Carb overflow leaks if I don't shut my fuel off should I just change the needle valve?
cleaning your gas tank might help too. there is a reason why it keeps flooding.
tatro
Had a co-worker years ago who bought a new '02 Roadking, hotrodded it to 95 inches. Still wasn't happy with the horsepower and I told him leave that motor alone, pull the drivetrain out and buy a 127. Didn't listen went and tore the HD motor down to build a 110. 10 grand later he said "I should have listened to you" . Now he has a motor that blows the tops of the spark plugs and is unable to ride it out of town for fear of breakdowns and overheating. I have had two 127's , do the same thing I detune them and have plenty of torque. Really how much time do you spend above triple digits on the highway?
more than you think around here. power can be built reliably or not. its all about the choice you make and how you put it together.
tatro
What is a fair range for hours of labor if I hire a shop to put one in my dyna?
I do little stuff and plan on TRYING to build a simple bobber with the evo after I pull it but I leary about doing it myself on a bike I need on the road (I can take 2 years of trial and error to build the bobber, I could care less but I want my dyna perfect and rt back on the road).
I'm not talking price cause different shops and areas charge different rates but how long of a job is it or rather how many hours is fair to be billed for?
BTW I love your vids man. I wasn't getting notifications for a while but I got this one.
Can i run my exhaust with this engine?👀
I have another question where do you buy these engines ??
Google..they are literally everywhere.
Jireh cycles
Hey Tatro, what is your opinion on the 2-year warranty deal with the 100" mild build motor? I've been thinking about getting one...
that is why they make more than one motor. they all have their pros and cons. you have to decide what is best for your application.
tatro
@@TatroMachine Thanks. Seeing comment on people sticking up for Boe Jiden on here. When you shut down pipelines, don't sign a single new drilling lease, and shut down the remaining domestic leases. Add terrible economic & foreign policy and you have the train wreck we're in now. Vote woke and go broke.
Do you prefer a CV carb with the EVO or Mikuni with it as well?
Mikuni
CV for fuel economy and moderate performance and Mikuni for performance.
That makes a lot of sense, can you live with 115 hp? It's not like you're trying to move a ton, its you and the bike.
I really kinda wanted an S&S v111, but it's 6700 and a 4 month wait. I'm looking at these as an alternative.
if you want a 111 s&s motor i would go with a 107ci motor. the 120ci motor is for customers that want more power everywhere.
tatro
@@TatroMachine from S&S? I didn’t see the a 107. I was going with J&P for their price point of 10% off. I’m not going to travel far on this one. Mainly around the city, back and forth to work and maybe a day trip around NE Oklahoma. I read that the 111 had a better engine life than the larger 124 Black Edition S&S has. I just want the best overall performance for the money, spend once.
That's what drives me crazy about the TC
Way hotter than the evolution
tatro...my friend bought a 100ci ultima evo and it's been in bike runs but seems like it's drowning in gas but we've started where they said jet wise and actually are smaller now..74 main and .295 small...not sure if carbs (ultima r1) can be bad..any info helps thanks...it will run like a grandpa would ride but if you give it any gas it pops. any idea could it be timing
its called tuning. it is up to you to figuare out what it wants. keep dropping the jets until you loose power and then go back up one. timing is the same deal. put more in until it doesn't run better and than back it up slightly. all this tuning changes over the year because of the weather changes. wnen things feel off some than make a small change. over time you will know what to do because it will repeat when the conditons go back to the same.
tatro
Chinese carb, what could possibly go wrong?
Tatro,are the ultima twin cam A replacement engines any good,i love harley but after the evo the motors are frighin junk,i heard even the sreamin eagle motors are shit to.
they are way better than harley, but that is a low bar.
tatro
can you put the link in description for that brake set up or film an install of one? Thats a great idea thanks
what brake? the one on the evo chopper? just go watch the evo chopper repair videos.
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@Tatro Machine Is the Ultima Evo a bolt in replacement for the Twin Cam or are there a bunch of mods you have to do?
evos fit evo bike and twincam fits twincam bikes.
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@@TatroMachine Thanks for the fast reply. I have always wondered if an evo would fit the twincam bike...now I know!
You can put an Evo drive train in some of the early twin cam Dyna frames, but you'd need to use an Evo transmission and primary.
How much horsepower do you need you ask? All of it
that is why they make a 140ci motor but it will not fit in a fxr.
tatro
Wrong question. Question is how much horse power do you want that you can afford?
that is why you build over time so that you can get all that you want.
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wow love the dual breaks but actually never seen than on any bikes Ive been around for last 50 years
99% of Ultima IS made in the USA. That's a fact. I have used Many of these with great happiness.
no they are not. the castings wre all made in china and now most of the assemblys are too. they are still assembled in texas but very little machining is happening there anymore. they are what they are. i can make a way better motor but it would cost twice as much.
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Now that H-D no longer makes Sportster lets see if after market fills that void.
Big Twins get all the Love. 😁
Harley davidson told me, that the compensator that seems to fail so often, is now obsolete harley will not make any replacements any longer. That's for the twincams. I've put 4 on my 2013 road king.
just put a soild sprocket on it. find the next weak link in the chain.
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whats your troughs on the 113 in for a ultra classic. we ride 10 to 12k a year
i wouldn't run a stroker motor for your application. i like the stock 80" stroke of 4-1/4". that would be the 107" and 120" motors. the 107" is more reliable and the 120" makes way more power. i am not a fan of the 100" motors.
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Sir new I’m new to the ol Harley ways I have a 94 dyna wide (handed down to me and love it) can I fit one of these in it? It has an evo 80 now.
yes
The "Smaller & Milder" cam offered by Ultima which gets used in their 100" & 107" motors is Part Number 117-246 (MW248) and has a .600"/.580" lift, duration 248/252, lobe centerline 106/108, overlap 36°, lift @ TDC .181/.121 Lobe separation angle 107°
I prefer the 4.00" bore over the 4.250" due to our town's master engine builder blowing multiple head gaskets. The 113" is a 4.00" bore and gives more gasket sealing surface and won't be prone for blowing head gaskets. This guy rides his shit and therefore I trust that he knows best.
Just my 2 cents...
I ordered a 113" today and will be swapping out the Ultima lifters with S&S ones (Part Number 33-5352) and will be swapping out the factory Ultima Roller rocker arms with Genuine HD ones and tossing out the breather and replacing it with the S&S reed breather. My carburetor of choice will be a CV44 and will bolt on to my factory airbox to give it that "stock"
I love how Ultima calls a .600" cam "mild".
sounds like a plan. if a head gasket and matching parts are made correctly you only need 1-/8" of surface width for the gasket to seal on. i have run as low as 1/32" on my race bikes but that is pushing it hard.
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@Tatro Machine he had his heads and mating surface on the top of his cylinders seal ring grooved by Justin (formerly of S&S) and is going to be running a steel ring for a head gasket. What a pain in the ass, like I said I personally feel that 4.250" is just too close for comfort and doesn't have a lot of surface area along the mating surfaces.
I want to know why so many times I have heard about problems with Ultima. I can understand lessoning duration and lift to lessen the abuse, but I would still prefer plenty of duration and a little less lift like a old school solid flat tappet small block chevy. Yes it's not going to make the most power under the curve, but it is less aggressive, still having good mid to top end. Would that live in the Ultima Evo motor
In your opinion which combination is better? Undersquare oversquare or square bore and stroke on harley style engines
its very simple. good head flow likes big bores and bad flowing heads like stroke. harley heads suck.
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Man I’ve watched this video a dozen times !
I’m going to call you soon thinking about buying one
not a problem. its a good motor and price.
tatro
Ive owned 3 evo motors and its true how reliable they are, about as powerful as a brigs and stratton in my craftsman riding lawn mower. Sorry, that was rude of me.... to the brigs and Stratton fans out there, fully aware of the 1989 Ohio lawn mower race that left a harley evo powered Murry in the clippings.😂
just because you can't make a harley motor run good does not mean others can not.
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Is Ultima made in USA?
is anything really made in the usa these days.
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Thanks for posting had evil many years ago firstly I think that engine saved Harley-Davidson weather it is better than the new blockhead?
Evo is Blockhead