One thing I really like about this version is it doesn't have the odd glass roof that is just an enormous extension of the front windscreen. That's gotta cost an arm and a leg to replace.
re: "That's gotta cost an arm and a leg to replace." you bet your a$$ it does, which itself presumes that fancy glass is not on "back order" and you could even get one for any amount of money...? that guy who had all the windows smashed out on his Cybertruck found out the hard way how something called "the reality of parts availability" works in a post Pandemic world... even a guy over in Germany running around with a cracked front windshield on his new Tesla Plaid (theoretically a much more normal and thus readily available piece of glass) also found this out the hard way. the replacement windshield was simply NA (Not Available) to him in a reasonable time frame, so consequently he was STUCK driving around his new car like that until whenever the part decided to show up to his location in the world. yeah, that's one of the little understood risks consumers face when being an "early adopter".
New tesla model 3 lr rwd is proven to do over 4.83 miles per kwh at 70mph see the out of spec latest video. Matt from carwow in mixed driving inc rain with the heater, seats, wipers etc on got 4.8 out of his test in a 2024 lr awd model 3. 😎👍🏻
@@jghall00 uh check the dimensions the air is closer to the 3 in total size than a model s. The comparison is for both models using a single motor rwd setup, with economy spec 18s and a similarly sized similar hp motor SMDH. Except the air is allegedly using superior 900+v architecture allegedly superior motor tech and has a metal roof etc. Also real world mpge testing at hwy speeds prove the tesla is still the king of evs! 😎
@@4literv6 re: "uh check the dimensions the air is closer to the 3 in total size than a model s." unfortunately you would do well to check them AGAIN whenever OG Phil "joins the chat", because with the Lucid Air and the Tesla Model S being direct competitors in class (not shocking if/when you have to courage to recognize how Pete Rawlinson engineered both designs) they have the EXACT SAME WHEELBASES of 117" (116.5)
Your tests confirm everything I love about my Lucid Air Pure. It’s comfortable, efficient, quiet and very affordable for a luxury car, especially if leased. I used to own a Model S and Y and this car is just a bit nicer in most ways. I would say that Tesla definitely has the edge on more bells and whistles on their software but overall, and especially on fit and finish, I like Lucid. BTW, Lucid is planning to introduce a more affordable and smaller version of their line-up in 2026 which promises to be even more efficient. Thanks for the video!
14.1kWh /100km is really impressive. Great test. Now I hoping for a comparison test with the Audi A6 e-tron sportback Performance (RWD long range) and Model 3 RWD Long range to tell who is the effiency king.
I love your video and very neutral (unbiased) review. I know the smallest wheel for Pure is 19", but is it reasonable to assume if it uses 18" like Model 3 standard, Lucid would go even further?
Another great segment, Tom Three thoughts: 1. Tommolog Range Test Checklist update: “IMMEDIATELY open charge port upon arriving at charge station at end of test” 2. Re charge station being on lower level of mall area: Nav apps are like Khan during the cat-and-mouse with Kirk and the Enterprise in TOS: They think in only two dimensions 3. Interestingly, before you adjusted for belatedly resetting the trip meter on the final 25% segment: 92.5/21 = 4.4048 and 365.6/83 = 4.4048
I'm still just learning about the world of EVs, with the idea of buying my first one next spring. I would have guessed that things like the charging door, not to mention the dash displays, would be powered by the 12 volt system and 12 volt battery, and thus would still work even if the EV battery was completely depleted. I'm learning.
Almost ran out of battery once because it was very cold, and I navigated to a store with a charger, not realizing there were two of the stores within a mile of each other and went to the wrong one. Made it to the charger with < 1 mile remaining. That was nerve wracking. I need this car for Texas. We're doing 80+ on the highway.
I'd like to see you do cold weather testing. For those of us in colder weather the range at around 20F is very important and why I get the largest range vehicles possible.
This is the car to buy and keep as long as you have full warranty. And, make sure you opt for comprehensive coverage along with collision coverage in insurance. And, park away from all the parked cars. Like the nearest out-of-business mall/theatre parking would do. And,.. just be careful and enjoy the car.
Still watching, for rescue could get Pete if he's available. We all know Pete now the rockstar, literally, who drove all the way to Florida with you and the fantastic pizza oven. That noise from the signal sounds like my uncle's Oldsmobile I remember getting rides in when I was a kid they were very fancy for the time even electric windows which was very cool as a 10yr old in the 80's.
Hmmmm. The model 3 LR RWD went farther in Kyle's test. I think that is the one to buy (plus it's' nearly half the price). But! Appreciate the testing here Tom!
Love your great tests & I'm looking forward to a side by side , identical conditions, testing . Thanks for your response & all the effort you put into these range tests.🙂
For the lovely audiences of this channel.. the Lucid Air pure would lose 31.2% of its highway range at 70-mph, with a headwind of 7-mph. And gain 29.8% of its range for an equal tailwind and speed. These are based on the aerodynamic drag and key car variables. Thanks Tom.
Where do these numbers come from? It just seems to me that if you put a car in a wind tunnel the drag would be higher with the tail into the wind and lower with the front into the wind resulting in the reverse of your numbers. Think using a pane of glass flat to the wind and edge to the wind. Not arguing, just trying to learn and understand.
@@4rwayner7 it’s an approximate calculation of the energy needed to overcome the aerodynamic drag. Applied to the variables of this test and the wind-speed Tom stated.
BTW, I noticed you're riding on the cars only lanes of the turnpike. Have you thought of using the truck lanes? I typically use the truck lanes as I find they move along better.
i dont think its fair to compare lucid air to m3. because, they are in different segment. lucid air much bigger, 19 wheels and bigger battery pack. m3 (midsize sedan) smaller, 18 wheels and smaller battery pack. thank you tom
It's not fair, but I did say the Air Pure is the most efficient EV on the EPA website, which it is. That's the most efficient of all vehicles in all classes. So if the new Model 3 gets rated as being more efficient, then it is. I'm waiting for the EPA ratings to be published.
Kyle just finished a marathon Model 3 70 mph range test. The Lucid wasn't close. The new Long-range RWD Model 3 did 386 miles for 4.8 miles/kWh ($34k after Federal rebate and referral discount - half the cost of the Lucid). The AWD Long-range was close behind, with 365 miles and 4.6 miles/kWh.
The new 3 seems extremely efficient, but it's not EPA rated yet. The Air Pure is the most efficient EPA-rated vehicle today. Once the new 3 gets officially rated, it may very well be the new efficiency king. Me and Kyle are going to try to get the two vehicles together and test them side-by-side. That's the only way to see which one is more efficient at 70mph, we can't compare my test and Kyle's. Different courses, different temperatures, different traffic, different wind, etc.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney The Air Pure has 19-20" wheels, yes? I think the Model 3 LR RWD Kyle tested had the 18" wheels, so that and the elevation difference could definitely be the difference. Can't wait for the cage match!
I've only had my Bolt about 2 months so I'm wondering what is a typical max range when fully charged on your Guessometer? Today I charged to 100% & it showed 306 Max & 260 on the middle number & 213 on the minimum range number.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare the Air to M3. Size difference (weight), tires and wheels make a difference. The fact lucid achieves this range with such a large heavy sedan is super impressive. I could imagine they will hit the 6miles in their upcoming smaller sedan easily.
Model 3 & Lucid - they don't compete against each other. The Model 3 RWD is about 1/2 the price of the Lucid. The Lucid is a Model S competitor. Consumer reports claims their 2024 Model S got 366 miles on a 70mph test - so similar distance but with a larger battery & AWD.
Thanks for honest video.. Was considering lucid but was very skeptical of their 5 mi/kwh claim to fame.. Went w a brand new ioniq 6 sel for 31k half the price and can get over 4 mi/kwh in the same conditions.. Lucid will not survive, way overpriced and underdelivered
Bit of a hyper miler, the cooler weather 100% did it. The lower voltage from the batteries plus the lower tire pressure will cause a decent drop in the average. I wouldnt be shocked if you went from 4.4 to 4.8 just with the tires. My average with my ioniq with 17in wheels is 4.8 for the last 3k miles. Going to work, im usally between 4.8 and 5.0 for the summer. In winter, 4.4 to 4.7 is to be expected. 4.4 if i havent reinflated the tires to match my normal summer pressure.
Awesome awesome video! Thanks and let's hope you and Kyle can finally set the rest which EV is the most efficient.. For now. 😂 Cheers from Finland! Ps. More Kempower please! 😂
I get that you want to determine real battery capacity, but why not get the car down to 5 or 10% (as a buffer) and then extrapolate? Is it nonlinear enough such that it wouldn't be accurate?
Gorgeous car, but I canceled my deposit due to a few reasons but mainly because of the current charging infrastructure. I’m not sitting around for an hour charging a car
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4.4, 4.8 mi/kWh indicated is nice, but at the end of the day the most important thing is how man kWh do you have to buy to get that far. I know it is dependent on the charger, and comparing a Tesla and Lucid on the same charger is almost impossible, and even harder in the US, but nevertheless the number at the "pump" should always be the most important one.
The Model 3 LR RWD just did 381 at 70mph on Kyle's test. I thought Lucid was more efficient than Tesla but it's crazy to see Tesla is on top again, and a 20mile gap with a smaller battery!
The new 3 does seem extremely efficient, but you cannot compare the two tests. Different temperature, wind, elevation, traffic, etc. Plus, the Air is the size of a Model S, the 3 is much smaller and weighs 1,300+lbs less, it should use less energy
I started with 306 estimated max range, drove 69.7 miles & had 268 miles estimated max range remaining averaging 4.8 m/kwh. So it only used 38 miles of estimated range to go 69.7. I've never attempted a full range test run because I'm afraid of damaging a few cells.
@@abraxastulammo9940 are you using miles or kilometers? My figures were in miles. I see your car is rated at 4 miles per kwh so 5.2 would be pretty good.
@@yootoobvyooer so far I've never seen that high on the main display even at low speed but I have saw the bar graph on the infotainment screen go to a 12 kw range
Well last I remembered Peter Rawlinson said lucid was avg 5 M/kWh and TSLA would take 5Yrs to reach such efficiency.😅. According to Kyle's Out of Spec latest video. The new M3 long range was Avg 4.8M/Kwh🤔
Would it be possible for you to also report on km? All of Europe uses km and Canada too. The numbers are key to your findings and if not in km they mean nothing to me. When will US switch to km too? Until then please report both.
Great. But it’s all irrelevant if a guy can’t get in or be comfortable. Can a taller then average, older then average, heavier then average guy fit in the drivers seat?
What’s making me laugh is all the people in the comments trying to call out the difference of claimed efficiency versus the results of these tests and then pointing to the Tesla M3. Really Tesla fans? Do we need to make a list of all the claims Elon has made about Tesla vehicles through the years that have not just been a little off, but total BS ? Those in glass houses….
Why tesla? It's a plastic interior for less money. Why not a VW or audi or BMW? I'm so tired of Teslarati...... Lucid is a fantastic luxury car, not a cheap plastic ecocar. Tesla is nice but not how I compare luxury vehicles.
Totally agreed. I think many first-time EV buyers are naive, they often follow outdated things they heard from friends or on social media. And Tesla is a fanboy cult with hundreds of channels posting bullshit all over the internet to keep up the hype for a brand with rather outdated EV technology on many levels. And Tesla was never good at comfort, build quality and tech functions (HUD, V2L, massage seats etc.) to begin with, these aspects always favored legacy car manufacturers. Now that everyone has figured out how to build good EVs and some have figured out to build even great EVs, EVs with equal or better infotainment and software experience, more range, better charging than Tesla, the only thing left for Tesla is efficiency and price. Many have undercut Tesla already in pricing, even if that could mean that you are buying a smaller EV. But it doesn't have to, the GM Chevrolet Equinox EV LT shows how it is done, even in Western markets. Tesla has no option for potential buyers in the 25-35k range. And let's not start with the dozens of cheaper and better chinese EVs. Now efficiency: Efficiency becomes such a troll argument when a certain threshold is achieved. The difference between 4mi/kWh and 5mi/KWh is 750kWh when you drive 15k miles per year. If you only charge at DC fast chargers at 50cents per KWh the difference is 375 dollars. If you can charge at an AC charger from time to time, you could propably lower it to 300 dollars, that is 25 dollars a month. And let's not forget, if you have an AC wallbox in your garage and maybe even solar panels on the roof or if you drive less than 15k miles per year, then the charging costs would fall dramatically. Furthermore, among the most efficient EVs from the same class the difference in efficiency is often even closer together. Take the Hyundai Ioniq 6, the Tesla Model 3, BMW i4 and the upcoming Mercedes CLA. All very efficient, the max difference is maybe 0.6miles/kWh between those vehicles. We have to move on from stupid comparisons of 0-60 mph times and from the focus on somewhat meaningless efficiency differences. Yes, efficiency is important, but most modern EVs get this aspects at least somewhat right. The overall range itself is more important. Range is interrelated with battery size and battery size is interrelated with the charging speed. Big batteries need 800V to charge fast and therefore 800V becomes a crucial factor. But that is not all. Comfort, ergonomics, tech functions, build quality, design etc. have to become more important in reviews, tests (and buying decisions) again.
This video is about efficiency. What kind of folks care about that? Cost conscious ones of course. The model 3 LR RWD is the most unbelievable value in automobiles right now, plastic interior notwithstanding. I hate when any products popularity is brought down to "fanboyism". There's a reason there are fanboys of Tesla and Apple and Porsche and Toyota and BMW. The brand and the product resonates with their values! Who are you to judge why someone likes or dislikes a particular product?? Of course some of it could be misinformation. But I guarantee you Tesla fanboys are not special in that regard. Every fanboy club is a bit extreme and misinformed.
EPA's highway test is a lot slower than 70 mph. Try driving the speed limit on the turnpike next time. Also, recharge the battery at home to compare the kwh charged to full with what the trip computer says was used.
Why can't auto manufactures get the speedometers to show the correct speed? I know often they set it fast, but they shouldn't! This is the 21st Century we have technology. And, it insane that the EPA leaves what range test is used, up to the manufacture. They are allowing them to lie to consumer with the results. But you had me on pins and needles! I still feel the minimum range an EV should have is 400 miles, because until they can prevent battery degradation and phantom draining, EV's need that buffer.
Tom, as you stated, the Tesla rear wheel long-range model 3 beats it and half or less than the cost with a smaller pack. Tesla will probably be around in the next 10+ years.. I'm not sure about Lucid. They will need lots of OIL money to keep Lucid afloat.
We really don't know yet if it does beat it. The only way us to run them side by side. Tesla is also great with efficiency, but the Air is not a direct competitor for the M3, it's a MS-sized vehicle, way bigger than the 3.
Dont take it personally, Tom. These tests are so silly and a waste of time. THe range depends on so many factors as you know, and are rarely repeatable. Perhaps a llop style check with perhaps a 20 mile to 50 mile loop should be extrapolated based on total battery capacity would give a good indication. No onein real life will drive a car until it dies or shows 0%. Most people will have a 10% buffer to makesure chargers are available and working. Please, consider stoppng these tests and save yourself hours.
I completely disagree with this statement. Kyle and others do the same test and you can extrapolate the results to get an average of the total distance. Just because they went to 0 doesn’t mean you have to go to 0. Just take 10 or 20 percent off that number if you stop to charge at like 20 percent battery remaining. It’s very easy to get an idea for your personal driving trip based on this test that a lot of people do. From my own driving experience I would say these 70mph test are very helpful. I bought a Kia ev6 3 years ago and my efficiency lines up to pretty much exactly what they got in their videos on the highway. I do think they should do two test. One for summer 70mph driving and one for winter 70mph driving. That way you can get an idea for efficiency in both types of climates. Plus even though they go to 0 the most important number of these test is the efficiency number. So you can look at the 4.4mi/kwh and don’t even look at the total miles they went.
It’s probably become an industry convention. 70-mph highway range, to override the inconsistency of EPA numbers. And the effort makes it great for the RUclips algorithms. I share to & fro trips between point A & B and display data every 100 miles. For eg Range Check On The Tesla Model 3 RWD | After 24,000 Miles ruclips.net/video/xIvm9JT8v0s/видео.html Just for variety. Surely Tom is well aware of this. And the effort is surely worthy for him & viewers.
@FuncleChuck bs, one has been epa tested, but is consistently exceeding the epa tests, the other has preliminary epa needs. The fact you can buy a car for half of the lucid and get better efficiency is amazing! What are you so upset about?
Check with Kyle Connor, the new Model 3 Hyland Long Range Rear Wheel Drive is the new KING OF EFFICIENCY at 4.8.(full double testing this week.) No Longer Lucid, good but not good enough to beat the new Tesla long range rear wheel drive. Check it out Tom.🙂
SLICK TOPS FOR THE WIN...!!! plus when that day (outside of warranty) comes that you open up the door to your car after a driving rain storm (not unlike the conditions we saw on the news during Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton) and you find water in your floor boards...? well duh silly, it's because YOU (like so much genius) had the bright idea to have the manufacturer CUT A HOLE IN THE ROOF.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I suppose that’s true. Maybe 3.8-3.9 at 70. I’m mostly driving 55 mph roads. It is also peak 70 degree weather since I’ve had it. Tbh, I’d rather see you test this thing in a combined city highway loop as opposed to a highway only trip.
@@NightKnight2048what does combined highway city mean to you? Most ppl will drive very differently and that number is meaningless. Constant speed is only reasonably reproducible measure. But I wish test is at least 4 different constant speeds to do curve fit. That will mathematically extrapolate to any speed.
@@yootoobvyooer As been mentioned before, by many people, even this test is useless due to variables such as wind and temperature between car runs. These runs can not be directly compared with other models. My trips in my ID.4 have been significantly more efficient than any auto journalist on RUclips for that matter. You’d literally have to stick the car on a dyno to get accurate comparisons.
So tesla is still the ev range king with a now 8 year old platform and so called inferior 400v tech. The ct as most efficient ev pickup, the model x is the most efficient full size SUV and the model 3 is the most efficient mid size ev. 👍🏻😎
Components have been upgraded over time. and yes tesla obviously has more years of experience than other manufacturers on all electric cars and the cars are designed with efficiency. It'll be interesting to see if tesla ever comes out with mainstream cars that look more interesting while keeping similar efficiency numbers.
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Closing in on 100k subs. Keep up the great work, Tom!
One thing I really like about this version is it doesn't have the odd glass roof that is just an enormous extension of the front windscreen. That's gotta cost an arm and a leg to replace.
re: "That's gotta cost an arm and a leg to replace." you bet your a$$ it does, which itself presumes that fancy glass is not on "back order" and you could even get one for any amount of money...? that guy who had all the windows smashed out on his Cybertruck found out the hard way how something called "the reality of parts availability" works in a post Pandemic world...
even a guy over in Germany running around with a cracked front windshield on his new Tesla Plaid (theoretically a much more normal and thus readily available piece of glass) also found this out the hard way. the replacement windshield was simply NA (Not Available) to him in a reasonable time frame, so consequently he was STUCK driving around his new car like that until whenever the part decided to show up to his location in the world. yeah, that's one of the little understood risks consumers face when being an "early adopter".
4.4Mi/kWh producing 365 Miles is a great bar to set. All new cars should aim to get over 4 Mi/kWh
New tesla model 3 lr rwd is proven to do over 4.83 miles per kwh at 70mph see the out of spec latest video.
Matt from carwow in mixed driving inc rain with the heater, seats, wipers etc on got 4.8 out of his test in a 2024 lr awd model 3. 😎👍🏻
@@4literv6 It's a step down in size from the Lucid, so not a suitable comparison. But it's very good for that size of vehicle.
@@jghall00They are both sedan.
@@jghall00 uh check the dimensions the air is closer to the 3 in total size than a model s.
The comparison is for both models using a single motor rwd setup, with economy spec 18s and a similarly sized similar hp motor SMDH.
Except the air is allegedly using superior 900+v architecture allegedly superior motor tech and has a metal roof etc.
Also real world mpge testing at hwy speeds prove the tesla is still the king of evs! 😎
@@4literv6 re: "uh check the dimensions the air is closer to the 3 in total size than a model s." unfortunately you would do well to check them AGAIN whenever OG Phil "joins the chat", because with the Lucid Air and the Tesla Model S being direct competitors in class (not shocking if/when you have to courage to recognize how Pete Rawlinson engineered both designs) they have the EXACT SAME WHEELBASES of 117" (116.5)
Your tests confirm everything I love about my Lucid Air Pure. It’s comfortable, efficient, quiet and very affordable for a luxury car, especially if leased. I used to own a Model S and Y and this car is just a bit nicer in most ways. I would say that Tesla definitely has the edge on more bells and whistles on their software but overall, and especially on fit and finish, I like Lucid. BTW, Lucid is planning to introduce a more affordable and smaller version of their line-up in 2026 which promises to be even more efficient. Thanks for the video!
If Lucid can hang on that long...
The Air is a reallt nice car. If it had a hatchback like the Model S, I'd be more inclined to get one. The range is VERY enticing, though.
14.1kWh /100km is really impressive. Great test. Now I hoping for a comparison test with the Audi A6 e-tron sportback Performance (RWD long range) and Model 3 RWD Long range to tell who is the effiency king.
Battery Life got 15.8 kWh/100 km at an average of 107 km/h with the ID7 Pro S Tourer (station wagon). 😊
Great job, Tom! It is frustrating trying to find some chargers and surprising that people who recognize this don't write directions with pictures.
The Air is a bigger car than the Model 3
Much. It's Model S size
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I bet their compact will get 5 miles per Kwh when released
@@colonelkfc33 They claim the Air gets 5mi/kwh. Time for a match up on same course at the same time.
@@colonelkfc33 It's targeting 6 miles per kwh.
Same width and tires that’s what matters, length helps CoD
4.4 miles/kwh= 148.28 mpge. That's awesome.
Like to see the Gravity tests
Gravity vs. Model X. Yes please!
I love your video and very neutral (unbiased) review.
I know the smallest wheel for Pure is 19", but is it reasonable to assume if it uses 18" like Model 3 standard, Lucid would go even further?
This just shows how it's different every day you drive, just have to know when you change your charging stop.
Another great segment, Tom
Three thoughts:
1. Tommolog Range Test Checklist update: “IMMEDIATELY open charge port upon arriving at charge station at end of test”
2. Re charge station being on lower level of mall area: Nav apps are like Khan during the cat-and-mouse with Kirk and the Enterprise in TOS: They think in only two dimensions
3. Interestingly, before you adjusted for belatedly resetting the trip meter on the final 25% segment: 92.5/21 = 4.4048 and 365.6/83 = 4.4048
I'm still just learning about the world of EVs, with the idea of buying my first one next spring. I would have guessed that things like the charging door, not to mention the dash displays, would be powered by the 12 volt system and 12 volt battery, and thus would still work even if the EV battery was completely depleted. I'm learning.
Almost ran out of battery once because it was very cold, and I navigated to a store with a charger, not realizing there were two of the stores within a mile of each other and went to the wrong one. Made it to the charger with < 1 mile remaining. That was nerve wracking. I need this car for Texas. We're doing 80+ on the highway.
Probably had 10 or more low speed miles left in it.
Solid result 👍
I'd like to see you do cold weather testing. For those of us in colder weather the range at around 20F is very important and why I get the largest range vehicles possible.
This is the car to buy and keep as long as you have full warranty. And, make sure you opt for comprehensive coverage along with collision coverage in insurance. And, park away from all the parked cars. Like the nearest out-of-business mall/theatre parking would do.
And,..
just be careful and enjoy the car.
Still watching, for rescue could get Pete if he's available. We all know Pete now the rockstar, literally, who drove all the way to Florida with you and the fantastic pizza oven. That noise from the signal sounds like my uncle's Oldsmobile I remember getting rides in when I was a kid they were very fancy for the time even electric windows which was very cool as a 10yr old in the 80's.
Hmmmm. The model 3 LR RWD went farther in Kyle's test. I think that is the one to buy (plus it's' nearly half the price). But! Appreciate the testing here Tom!
Love your great tests & I'm looking forward to a side by side , identical conditions, testing
. Thanks for your response & all the effort you put into these range tests.🙂
For the lovely audiences of this channel.. the Lucid Air pure would lose 31.2% of its highway range at 70-mph, with a headwind of 7-mph. And gain 29.8% of its range for an equal tailwind and speed. These are based on the aerodynamic drag and key car variables. Thanks Tom.
Where do these numbers come from? It just seems to me that if you put a car in a wind tunnel the drag would be higher with the tail into the wind and lower with the front into the wind resulting in the reverse of your numbers. Think using a pane of glass flat to the wind and edge to the wind. Not arguing, just trying to learn and understand.
@@4rwayner7 it’s an approximate calculation of the energy needed to overcome the aerodynamic drag. Applied to the variables of this test and the wind-speed Tom stated.
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Love this content, thank you.
I would like to see the stats on going 60 or 55 MPH also please. It can be quick
It is a beautiful car 🚗. I have a 2024 Mazda CX90 PHEV. I am averaging 2.5 MPkW on electric only mode.
2.5 MPG!? 😂 I think you mean “miles per kilowatt-hour”
Which is 84 MPGe
@@FuncleChuck yes. Thank you, 2..5 miles/ kW
Tom, it looks like you're at the EVGo station at Menlo Park. I was there Sunday. Horrible units as far as EVGo concern.
BTW, I noticed you're riding on the cars only lanes of the turnpike. Have you thought of using the truck lanes? I typically use the truck lanes as I find they move along better.
Aren’t they slower (55mph)?
i dont think its fair to compare lucid air to m3. because, they are in different segment.
lucid air much bigger, 19 wheels and bigger battery pack.
m3 (midsize sedan) smaller, 18 wheels and smaller battery pack.
thank you tom
It's not fair, but I did say the Air Pure is the most efficient EV on the EPA website, which it is. That's the most efficient of all vehicles in all classes. So if the new Model 3 gets rated as being more efficient, then it is. I'm waiting for the EPA ratings to be published.
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The final seconds of the driver were so tense! 😂
Kyle just finished a marathon Model 3 70 mph range test. The Lucid wasn't close. The new Long-range RWD Model 3 did 386 miles for 4.8 miles/kWh ($34k after Federal rebate and referral discount - half the cost of the Lucid). The AWD Long-range was close behind, with 365 miles and 4.6 miles/kWh.
The new 3 seems extremely efficient, but it's not EPA rated yet. The Air Pure is the most efficient EPA-rated vehicle today. Once the new 3 gets officially rated, it may very well be the new efficiency king. Me and Kyle are going to try to get the two vehicles together and test them side-by-side. That's the only way to see which one is more efficient at 70mph, we can't compare my test and Kyle's. Different courses, different temperatures, different traffic, different wind, etc.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That sounds a tight competition for the efficiency crown. Can't wait.
If the 3 beats the Air. that's great, but what's impressive is that the Air is so much larger and still competitive
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney The Air Pure has 19-20" wheels, yes? I think the Model 3 LR RWD Kyle tested had the 18" wheels, so that and the elevation difference could definitely be the difference. Can't wait for the cage match!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Agree. I wrote my comment before getting to the end of your video. Oops!
I've only had my Bolt about 2 months so I'm wondering what is a typical max range when fully charged on your Guessometer? Today I charged to 100% & it showed 306 Max & 260 on the middle number & 213 on the minimum range number.
As a long time Bolt owner, the middle number on the GOM is usually the accurate number.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare the Air to M3. Size difference (weight), tires and wheels make a difference. The fact lucid achieves this range with such a large heavy sedan is super impressive. I could imagine they will hit the 6miles in their upcoming smaller sedan easily.
Model 3 & Lucid - they don't compete against each other. The Model 3 RWD is about 1/2 the price of the Lucid. The Lucid is a Model S competitor.
Consumer reports claims their 2024 Model S got 366 miles on a 70mph test - so similar distance but with a larger battery & AWD.
Thanks for honest video.. Was considering lucid but was very skeptical of their 5 mi/kwh claim to fame.. Went w a brand new ioniq 6 sel for 31k half the price and can get over 4 mi/kwh in the same conditions.. Lucid will not survive, way overpriced and underdelivered
Bit of a hyper miler, the cooler weather 100% did it. The lower voltage from the batteries plus the lower tire pressure will cause a decent drop in the average. I wouldnt be shocked if you went from 4.4 to 4.8 just with the tires.
My average with my ioniq with 17in wheels is 4.8 for the last 3k miles. Going to work, im usally between 4.8 and 5.0 for the summer. In winter, 4.4 to 4.7 is to be expected. 4.4 if i havent reinflated the tires to match my normal summer pressure.
I did set the proper tire pressure when they were cold.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney o good! Sorry missed that part.
Awesome awesome video! Thanks and let's hope you and Kyle can finally set the rest which EV is the most efficient.. For now. 😂 Cheers from Finland! Ps. More Kempower please! 😂
Amazeballs
I get that you want to determine real battery capacity, but why not get the car down to 5 or 10% (as a buffer) and then extrapolate? Is it nonlinear enough such that it wouldn't be accurate?
Gorgeous car, but I canceled my deposit due to a few reasons but mainly because of the current charging infrastructure. I’m not sitting around for an hour charging a car
Time to get the juiceboxes out of the set!
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What do you attribute the 4.4 efficiency to. My ‘21 ID4 only gets around 3.0 at 75 mph round trip.
Aerodynamics and Lucid's powertrain efficiency. They are much better at efficiency than VW is.
If you ever need a second driver, im in Jersey and would be willing to join.
Thanks, but I have to do the range tests without a passenger
Lucid is too small for me. I bought a Cadillac Lyriq instead.
4.4, 4.8 mi/kWh indicated is nice, but at the end of the day the most important thing is how man kWh do you have to buy to get that far. I know it is dependent on the charger, and comparing a Tesla and Lucid on the same charger is almost impossible, and even harder in the US, but nevertheless the number at the "pump" should always be the most important one.
The EPA tests at slower speed than 70 mph.
Correct, it a totally different type of testing.
The Model 3 LR RWD just did 381 at 70mph on Kyle's test.
I thought Lucid was more efficient than Tesla but it's crazy to see Tesla is on top again, and a 20mile gap with a smaller battery!
The new 3 does seem extremely efficient, but you cannot compare the two tests. Different temperature, wind, elevation, traffic, etc. Plus, the Air is the size of a Model S, the 3 is much smaller and weighs 1,300+lbs less, it should use less energy
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney new 3 has so much wind noise. Did they remove the little sound insulation that it had?
I got 4.8 today on a 70 mile run in my 2017 Bolt. I wasn't anywhere near 70 mph though.
I started with 306 estimated max range, drove 69.7 miles & had 268 miles estimated max range remaining averaging 4.8 m/kwh. So it only used 38 miles of estimated range to go 69.7. I've never attempted a full range test run because I'm afraid of damaging a few cells.
@@marksparks8852I had a week's worth of consumption of 5.2 with the Enyaq 50 till September. 😊
@@abraxastulammo9940 are you using miles or kilometers? My figures were in miles. I see your car is rated at 4 miles per kwh so 5.2 would be pretty good.
Lol. If you drive 20 mph, you'll get 8 mi/kWh. Bolt will do about 3.3 mi/kWh at 70 mph depending on weather.
@@yootoobvyooer so far I've never seen that high on the main display even at low speed but I have saw the bar graph on the infotainment screen go to a 12 kw range
although excellent in absolute terms
pretty disappointing as compared to
the claimed highway EPA range
Well last I remembered Peter Rawlinson said lucid was avg 5 M/kWh and TSLA would take 5Yrs to reach such efficiency.😅. According to Kyle's Out of Spec latest video. The new M3 long range was Avg 4.8M/Kwh🤔
At 70mph? On 19s?
Would it be possible for you to also report on km? All of Europe uses km and Canada too. The numbers are key to your findings and if not in km they mean nothing to me. When will US switch to km too? Until then please report both.
You know calculators exist.
Lucid doors have to be open in order to get power back.
Great. But it’s all irrelevant if a guy can’t get in or be comfortable. Can a taller then average, older then average, heavier then average guy fit in the drivers seat?
You will groan every time you get in or out. But once you are in, you can be massaged.
Long range but how long will it take to recharge? Does it support supercharger like Tesla?
I will have a few charging videos up soon. Lucid will have Tesla Supercharger access sometime in the next couple of months
What’s making me laugh is all the people in the comments trying to call out the difference of claimed efficiency versus the results of these tests and then pointing to the Tesla M3. Really Tesla fans? Do we need to make a list of all the claims Elon has made about Tesla vehicles through the years that have not just been a little off, but total BS ? Those in glass houses….
Why tesla? It's a plastic interior for less money. Why not a VW or audi or BMW? I'm so tired of Teslarati...... Lucid is a fantastic luxury car, not a cheap plastic ecocar. Tesla is nice but not how I compare luxury vehicles.
Totally agreed. I think many first-time EV buyers are naive, they often follow outdated things they heard from friends or on social media. And Tesla is a fanboy cult with hundreds of channels posting bullshit all over the internet to keep up the hype for a brand with rather outdated EV technology on many levels. And Tesla was never good at comfort, build quality and tech functions (HUD, V2L, massage seats etc.) to begin with, these aspects always favored legacy car manufacturers.
Now that everyone has figured out how to build good EVs and some have figured out to build even great EVs, EVs with equal or better infotainment and software experience, more range, better charging than Tesla, the only thing left for Tesla is efficiency and price.
Many have undercut Tesla already in pricing, even if that could mean that you are buying a smaller EV. But it doesn't have to, the GM Chevrolet Equinox EV LT shows how it is done, even in Western markets. Tesla has no option for potential buyers in the 25-35k range. And let's not start with the dozens of cheaper and better chinese EVs.
Now efficiency: Efficiency becomes such a troll argument when a certain threshold is achieved. The difference between 4mi/kWh and 5mi/KWh is 750kWh when you drive 15k miles per year. If you only charge at DC fast chargers at 50cents per KWh the difference is 375 dollars. If you can charge at an AC charger from time to time, you could propably lower it to 300 dollars, that is 25 dollars a month. And let's not forget, if you have an AC wallbox in your garage and maybe even solar panels on the roof or if you drive less than 15k miles per year, then the charging costs would fall dramatically. Furthermore, among the most efficient EVs from the same class the difference in efficiency is often even closer together. Take the Hyundai Ioniq 6, the Tesla Model 3, BMW i4 and the upcoming Mercedes CLA. All very efficient, the max difference is maybe 0.6miles/kWh between those vehicles.
We have to move on from stupid comparisons of 0-60 mph times and from the focus on somewhat meaningless efficiency differences. Yes, efficiency is important, but most modern EVs get this aspects at least somewhat right. The overall range itself is more important. Range is interrelated with battery size and battery size is interrelated with the charging speed. Big batteries need 800V to charge fast and therefore 800V becomes a crucial factor. But that is not all. Comfort, ergonomics, tech functions, build quality, design etc. have to become more important in reviews, tests (and buying decisions) again.
I look at my MYLR awd as a big, comfy, quick and fun to drive Volks Bug. All said and done, it cost about 44k. Good deal and an easy roadtripper.
@@Aztasuhuh?
This video is about efficiency. What kind of folks care about that? Cost conscious ones of course. The model 3 LR RWD is the most unbelievable value in automobiles right now, plastic interior notwithstanding.
I hate when any products popularity is brought down to "fanboyism". There's a reason there are fanboys of Tesla and Apple and Porsche and Toyota and BMW. The brand and the product resonates with their values! Who are you to judge why someone likes or dislikes a particular product??
Of course some of it could be misinformation. But I guarantee you Tesla fanboys are not special in that regard. Every fanboy club is a bit extreme and misinformed.
Looks like the Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD is more efficient and has more range.
and almost 1/2 the price 🙂
The Lucid is a much bigger car but still not worth it, the Tesla is half the price
And an eBike has them both beat, since we’re already comparing two very different classes of vehicle!
EPA's highway test is a lot slower than 70 mph. Try driving the speed limit on the turnpike next time. Also, recharge the battery at home to compare the kwh charged to full with what the trip computer says was used.
Why can't auto manufactures get the speedometers to show the correct speed? I know often they set it fast, but they shouldn't! This is the 21st Century we have technology. And, it insane that the EPA leaves what range test is used, up to the manufacture. They are allowing them to lie to consumer with the results. But you had me on pins and needles! I still feel the minimum range an EV should have is 400 miles, because until they can prevent battery degradation and phantom draining, EV's need that buffer.
41:23 is all you need for this video
Tom, as you stated, the Tesla rear wheel long-range model 3 beats it and half or less than the cost with a smaller pack. Tesla will probably be around in the next 10+ years.. I'm not sure about Lucid. They will need lots of OIL money to keep Lucid afloat.
We really don't know yet if it does beat it. The only way us to run them side by side. Tesla is also great with efficiency, but the Air is not a direct competitor for the M3, it's a MS-sized vehicle, way bigger than the 3.
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They aren't available anywhere near where I live. I want to try them, though.
Dont take it personally, Tom. These tests are so silly and a waste of time. THe range depends on so many factors as you know, and are rarely repeatable. Perhaps a llop style check with perhaps a 20 mile to 50 mile loop should be extrapolated based on total battery capacity would give a good indication. No onein real life will drive a car until it dies or shows 0%. Most people will have a 10% buffer to makesure chargers are available and working. Please, consider stoppng these tests and save yourself hours.
I completely disagree with this statement. Kyle and others do the same test and you can extrapolate the results to get an average of the total distance. Just because they went to 0 doesn’t mean you have to go to 0. Just take 10 or 20 percent off that number if you stop to charge at like 20 percent battery remaining. It’s very easy to get an idea for your personal driving trip based on this test that a lot of people do. From my own driving experience I would say these 70mph test are very helpful. I bought a Kia ev6 3 years ago and my efficiency lines up to pretty much exactly what they got in their videos on the highway. I do think they should do two test. One for summer 70mph driving and one for winter 70mph driving. That way you can get an idea for efficiency in both types of climates. Plus even though they go to 0 the most important number of these test is the efficiency number. So you can look at the 4.4mi/kwh and don’t even look at the total miles they went.
It’s probably become an industry convention. 70-mph highway range, to override the inconsistency of EPA numbers. And the effort makes it great for the RUclips algorithms. I share to & fro trips between point A & B and display data every 100 miles. For eg
Range Check On The Tesla Model 3 RWD | After 24,000 Miles
ruclips.net/video/xIvm9JT8v0s/видео.html
Just for variety.
Surely Tom is well aware of this. And the effort is surely worthy for him & viewers.
2 different long range model 3's in 2 different tests have gone longer and more efficient.
Who cares, those are a completely different class of car and haven’t gotten epa tests yet
@FuncleChuck bs, one has been epa tested, but is consistently exceeding the epa tests, the other has preliminary epa needs. The fact you can buy a car for half of the lucid and get better efficiency is amazing! What are you so upset about?
Check with Kyle Connor, the new Model 3 Hyland Long Range Rear Wheel Drive is the new KING OF EFFICIENCY at 4.8.(full double testing this week.) No Longer Lucid, good but not good enough to beat the new Tesla long range rear wheel drive. Check it out Tom.🙂
But he drives at 5000 feet of elevation?
The new 3 looks amazing, but you can't use that as a comparison. Different temperature, wind, elevation, traffic, etc
No standard sunroof on a $70k doesn't make sense to me..
Not everyone likes sunroofs, plus this is their lowest trim so it doesn’t matter what the starting cost is.
SLICK TOPS FOR THE WIN...!!! plus when that day (outside of warranty) comes that you open up the door to your car after a driving rain storm (not unlike the conditions we saw on the news during Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton) and you find water in your floor boards...? well duh silly, it's because YOU (like so much genius) had the bright idea to have the manufacturer CUT A HOLE IN THE ROOF.
I get around 4.5 in my ID.4. Interesting.
Not at 70 mph you aren't!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I suppose that’s true. Maybe 3.8-3.9 at 70. I’m mostly driving 55 mph roads. It is also peak 70 degree weather since I’ve had it.
Tbh, I’d rather see you test this thing in a combined city highway loop as opposed to a highway only trip.
@@NightKnight2048what does combined highway city mean to you? Most ppl will drive very differently and that number is meaningless. Constant speed is only reasonably reproducible measure. But I wish test is at least 4 different constant speeds to do curve fit. That will mathematically extrapolate to any speed.
@@yootoobvyooer As been mentioned before, by many people, even this test is useless due to variables such as wind and temperature between car runs. These runs can not be directly compared with other models. My trips in my ID.4 have been significantly more efficient than any auto journalist on RUclips for that matter. You’d literally have to stick the car on a dyno to get accurate comparisons.
Model 3 RWD goes further? OMG.
yeah Lucid claims to be the effiency king and got spanked by new Model 3 at half the price. 😁
“Affordable” $70k car
Compared to the other Air models, it's very "affordable"...
So tesla is still the ev range king with a now 8 year old platform and so called inferior 400v tech.
The ct as most efficient ev pickup, the model x is the most efficient full size SUV and the model 3 is the most efficient mid size ev. 👍🏻😎
Range is overrated. CT is a turd in every way. 400V is inferior. Tesla stopped trying long ago.
Why even even compare the two when there’s so much difference in the size.
Of course Tesla isn't the range king. They don't have any cars that can go as far as the Air GT
Components have been upgraded over time. and yes tesla obviously has more years of experience than other manufacturers on all electric cars and the cars are designed with efficiency. It'll be interesting to see if tesla ever comes out with mainstream cars that look more interesting while keeping similar efficiency numbers.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney re: "They don't have any cars that can go as far as the Air GT". "UP YOURS TESLA...!!!" (best Welsh Rawlinson accent)
Worse car all around than model 3
Lol 😆
In absolutely zero ways is the Model 3 “better”
@@FuncleChuck I wouldn't go that far. Tesla's software and ADAS is better, but not much more
Already saw this test on Out of Specs.
No, you didn't. Different car, different specs
@pennyharris446 that was the Air Grand Touring, not the Pure.
What is ”miles” ? 😂😂😂 Do you live under a stone still??
They are called freedom units. 😃
14 lbs?
Good enough for the Apollo program, good enough for me!
@@cgmoogwell played!
You furriners and yer puny kilometers 😂
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