I don't get excited by 'normal' SUVs as most them look like hatchbacks on stilts with lots of garish plastic cladding, but this is the genuine article. I'll bet it will be a good vehicle to actually own.
I bought my first Forester (diesel) in 2011 when my front wheel drive Volvo would not get up a gentle slope in icy conditions. I have had that, a diesel Outback, and now my favourite the Forester XT (2 litre turbo). My local dealership has been trying to persuade me to buy a hybrid Subaru now for several years, but I honestly do not see the reasoning behind lugging a heavy battery around which only is good for moving the car a few yards. Just enjoy the great car the XT is and drive light R footedly most of the time but have the power available to overtake with ease when necessary. On long journeys I can get 38-40mpg from the XT. I also enjoy the safety aspect of 4 wheel drive, occasional off road driving, lots of load carrying capacity, reliability, and by the way its a great towing car (within it's limits). It's a shame that it doesn't look a bit sexier, but hey ho................😊
I’ve got a 2017 Forester XT. After five years of ownership the car is still wonderful to drive and apart from replacing air con unit I have not had any other issues with it. What has prevented me from getting another Subaru has to be the anaemic engines in the current line up of models they offer Europe.
The problem with owning a Forester XT is that you can never go back to driving a normally aspirated model. The turbos offer an unrivaled driving experience.
I have a 2023 Forester Wilderness that I got a couple months ago. I'm very happy with it. In comparison to my 2018 Ford Escape, the Subaru is a luxury car with lots of features. I LOVE ❤️ the look to the Wilderness trim. I get a lot of compliments.
A lot more to the drivers that own Subarus then just practical and thrifty. Quite honestly I don’t drive a Subaru to impress anyone else, I drive a Subaru because of its safety, superior all wheel drive, comfort it’s just a fun car😊
Wonderfuly practical vehicle, with one or two areas for improvement. You covered it perfectly in the review, as usual. I'm surprised it didn't pass your obstacle test. But the exterior design is a huge step back in my opinion. They peaked with gen. 3 and it's just "downhill" from there, without the downhill descent control :)
I was surprised too. I've seen reviews on this very same vehicle where it is pushed way harder than that little grassy knoll and it handles those courses fine. Not sure what gives here.
Sometimes you're making videos for new people so they enjoy getting good amount of information and making a decision but there are some people who are waiting for perfect videos, me included, and still not getting bored. well, this is one of those videos you just enjoy watching a good review and not getting bored. Always something new, new camera angel, new effects, new look but not everything is new. Repetitive things are accuracy, truthfulness and profesionality of presented information. this is not what you see everyday.
Great review, with some comments that made me laugh. I almost just bought a much more expensive, fancier car... but now I'm looking at getting a 2nd Subaru instead. It's everything anyone needs, and nothing you don't need.
Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k. Compared to the Outback, Off road analysis/videos show the turbo in the Outback gets totally in the way of performance when climbing, as the Forester's new gearing and software changes bring much more to the equation over the turbo, in my opinion. ruclips.net/video/ZF_JtgJ7aKQ/видео.html HAPPY TRAILS
The Forester remains a down to earth vehicle, just its design gets stranger from generation to generation... I wonder if Subaru improved their rust resistance. But even so it's worthy of the short list! Great review as always!
If you live in a snowy (and salty) area I'd suggest an additional layer of aftermarket rustproofing as soon as you take delivery of the car, regardless of the brand.
We almost bought the 23’ Forester Touring but at the end of the day went with the Wilderness trim as it can tow 3000 lbs and we live off road just a little and tow lawn equipment. I was concerned it wouldn’t be a nice interior but it’s very comfortable and so easy to clean.
Almost bought one recently. The fuel consumption was the deal breaker for me as well. They should really come up with more economical engines imo.. yet, really nice looking and robust.
Great review Marek! The underpowered, naturally aspirated engines are a huge letdown, especially in Europe. Many testers have found these base engines to not be able to put down enough torque when offroading and make use of that AWD system. Fun fact, I have an Outback XT (2.4 turbo) and Subaru calls it the XT for Xtra Traction. Apparently, they know that their base model cars don't have enough torque for off-roading ;) but the Subaru AWD system when paired with the turbo (260 hp, 280 lb. ft. of torque) is a beast off-road. The Outback XT also comes with more soundproofing and acoustic glass, making it as quiet as my 2011 Volvo V70 on the highway; much quieter than my friend's 2.5l Forester. It's a shame that Subaru doesn't offer the 2.4t in the Forester (also not in the U.S.) and not in the Outback in Europe, it really transforms the car and represents what the brand is capable of. Here in Colorado, the Outback XT is ideal for our ski trips, light offroading to our cabin in deep snow and mud or to the trail head of our hike, and hauling our Kayaks on the roof rack (yes we are actual stereotypical Subaru owners that actually use our Outback as it is marketed), but it is probably not the best car for the grocery run in Europe. :P
@@MarekDrivesENG I can imagine. I was in Germany last week and gas was over 2 Euro per liter (about $8.50+ per gallon)! In the US, I just paid $4.45 per gallon (1.06 euro per liter). People are complaining about the cost of gas, and I just laugh. My lifetime fuel economy is 25.5 mpg (9.2 l/100 km), but this includes city driving, winter tires, ski racks, light off roading and preheating the car in the winter with the app. I can easily get 32 mpg (7.5l/100 km) on the highway at 80-85 mph (130-140 km/h), which I think is pretty good for this kind of car.
When I was about to buy my car, I did consider buying a Subaru, an Outback or Forester. I even took a Forester for a test drive. It was some of the previous generations, it was handling great on the road, but the fuel economy was . . bloody awful, to put it mildly and the interior was as cheap and plasticy as an American car. Add the prices of parts and labour when out of warranty and they've lost me completely. This generation, at least from the inside looks like a huge upgrade in interior quality. But the fuel economy hasn't evolved noticeably. I get well below 8L/100km city driving with my 1.5 TSI and no hybrid stuff.
Great review. It is 100% a grandma car (my mom owns a 10 year old version which is virtually identical to your test car)-- but that's great. It is reliable, efficient and safe. Job done. By the way, at 6:57 I think you forgot to swap out an old Suzuki graphic for the Subaru one.
I am (or atleast was) a Subaru-Guy to the heart. Too bad, the cars peaked somewhere around 2015. The interiors are awesome these days, but boy, do I miss the drivetrain of my -08 Outback. They just don’t do them like they used to, except the fact that Subies still have bad fuel economy. (Also, the dealer in my country sucks b*lls.) Bring back the manuals and the turbos! I’ve jumped ship and hopped along with the Koreans. Maybe one day I’ll by a Subie again… Great review, made me miss ”the good old days”.
Thank you for the review! Your English is perfect! For min. 10 years Subaru mainly makes cars for the North American market, so Iam always interested in how Eastern Europeans think about new Subarus. Iam from Hungary, but I’ve been living in the US for 13 years now, and owning 2 Subarus( 4 total over the time) I used to live in Chicago, where the winter is really rough, so I needed an all wheel drive car. Six years ago I moved to North Carolina, where only snowing once a year, yet there are Foresters and Outbacks are everywhere! For an American, Subaru is really a good choice, I know in Europe it’s a whole lot different story.
Thanks. Indeed, over here it's expensive, and doesn't do much, unless you live in a rural area. But then you probably can't afford it in the first place, so catch 22.
@@MarekDrivesENG Exactly! It’s sad, because they are really good cars otherwise! Subaru is a small company, so they can’t afford to do so many things at once. Recently they’ve started to cooperate with Toyota, so the future is going to be interesting!
I'm looking into a Forester to replace my Honda Element. I actually like a boxy vehicle with big windows. I test drove a few and since the Honda Element is not a particularly fast car either didn't seem very different as far as acceleration was concerned.
really go over the trim levels, some may not have the options you want, one thing i was not aware of was the consent need for wheel alignment for for all wheel drive , every 10,00 miles, my friend didn't do it and now has a thumping on the front tires , also you can't buy just one tire you have to do all four as the different wear on old and new tires can mess up the all wheel drive system
Beautiful review Marek, I hope u will test the Outback as well one day. The Forester makes perfect sense to a clearly addressed audience, it reminds the indestructible Volvos of yesteryear. What's the motorway thirst by the way? I am with u, Subarus need just a bit of grunt more and hopefully their new 1.8 turbo sold in JDM will make its way to Europe. This would also help bearing with their CVT. Which u did not say much about... and why they do not sell an underpowered version of the 2.4 t US one with a touch of hybridization..... thanks, cheers & c u in the next one.
I love this car, maybe stupidly, but I do. It's a pity it doesn't have a spare tyre. Ah yes, and it's yet another relatively big car thought for four people. Not that I think it's an absurdity, it makes sense, but for those with 5-member families, counting the lack of the spare tyre plus it being underpowered sometimes... AAAH! Impossible for me. :-/
I'm not touching any EV made in China. I tried one, and as I started charging it, lightbulbs in my house started pulsating. Fuck that. I took it back. Since then the importer changed, and they're trying the former news celebrity endorsement to push this shit :-)
on VW group cars...you pay extra for each button ... on Subaru you get them included in the price ... still i wish ssangyong had put its "stuff" together making a good alternative -sadly they didnt/dont)
Thanks for the review, Marek. I think the Forester's biggest issue is that it doesn't really stand out amongst it's competitors. I'm also surprised at the obstacle test results, as previous Subaru AWD systems were quite good. I think my greatest disappointment with Subaru in general is that I know they're capable of making very good cars. I've had the pleasure of owning a flat 6 powered Spec.B Legacy as well as the Subaru built GT86 and both were absolutely sublime.
Apparently they made the electronics even more obtrusive, which may be ideal on the road, but less ideal off the beaten path. I couldn't disable traction control completely regardless of the drive mode, which sucks balls, when you really get stuck.
So many people dog on the Forester for being a quasi-plain Jane yet completely perfect actual utility vehicle it's humorous it's not trying to be a Land Rover which is just new money disguised as luxury. Rav4 is boring as fuck, the crv is a laff and pretty much everything except for Mazda feels cheap. This vehicle has every single thing you actually need and nothing that is just there for frippery. And as a result the resale value is always stellar whereas other offerings kind of fall by the wayside. I'm looking at you Jeep
I don’t understand Subaru. Compared to a 2011 SH type, it’s undoubtedly more modern BUT, where’s the real progress? There’s no more room, it’s slower, it’s less economical, heavier and hard to justify swapping from my 2011 in good condition.
Maybe the outback with 170hp is slightly better. But in Europe we dont get the turbo. Maybe this 150 e-boxer is slightly better in the smaller XV. But 11sec is a little slow in 2022. I mean technically EU roads are clogged anyway but in case there are free stretches.
Possibly because the fuel economy benefits are insignificant, versus the loss in performance. In Europe they have to because of emissions, but CO2 reductions are mainly on paper, and with passengers and/or luggage on board the car barely moves. I know this is not a sports car, but at least they could have made it more efficient.
Physical buttons for most things, some ground clearance, 2x4's on the roof rack etc all sunds like a car that has my name written on it. Then we get to the engine which has 40hp less than my Passat Alltrack and half the torque. And my Passat isn't very fast either. Sad.
So I loveeee the touring but here in the US the rear doesn't come with the black trim panel across the logo, it only comes in Sport and in the wilderness. I went to the dealership and parts to find out if these pieces are interchangeable but they don't know. If it came exactly how you have it, it'll be a no brainer for me, but since it's not I'm not going to go with this one. That black panel makes a lot of difference. The US gets the ugliest of cars... =(
I wouldn't be surprised if Subaru left the European market, I'm not sure if they sell really anywhere in Europe, but in my market they barely sell at all I swear they're only held above water by one region where you can't find any other dealerships so Subaru is your only choice.
When I was a kid, I looked forward to growing up so I can buy a Subaru Impreza WRX. When I grew up, I realised it's not that easy to buy a sporty car. When I could buy a Subaru WRX, there was no WRX to buy new in Europe. The Impreza that is available to buy has 150 hp, as the forester that is just not quick enough. I bought a 1.5 Turbo GDI Hyundai i30 and realised that dreams change. I would have bought the Ceed GT but it's DCT only and it's just 1 sec faster to 100km/h compared to this i30. IMO, Subaru is getting irrelevant.
Subaru really has become irrelevant in the last years. In case you didn‘t know, there was a new STI planned, they hyped it up for years, then they launched the ugly and dissapointing wrx, and now they confirmed they won‘t launch the already developed STI
@@MarekDrivesENG can't wait, thank you for keeping the reviews coming. Do you have any idea if the new PHEV Mitsubishi Outlander will be coming to Europe?
PHEVs were a thing in some markets (particularly in the Netherlands due to taxes on company cars), but with a gradual shift towards BEVs Mitsubishi really has nothing to offer.
Very very slow engine+ CVT= old people car. No excitement! hybrid is poor..pedal is so sensible my right foot hurts! Drive test it before buying! EV goes in and out very fast. consumption is ok if you dont floorit! I got 6.7%. Its a house on wheels- how low can you get? 1800Kg, square shaped- and 4x4 permanent! And NO TURBO NO PROBLEMS. People are unrealistic when talking about consumption. Its all about the road, driver, and a million other factors. Its a familly car and that says it all. No more EU junk - VW, Opel, BMW...etc. Made in Japan. CHINA is another option, and I think far better than EU manufacturers. (CHINA makes Mercs also...depends how much money you want to spent)
This thing is so ugly. I see these things everywhere in downtown Toronto. The "earthy types" love these things. It reflects their frumpy style. And I'm driving my father in law's Forester up to a friend's cottage tomorrow. I dread driving that thing. Bouncy, awfulness. Thanks for reminding me Marek!! :)
@@MarekDrivesENG my car is getting too old. It's got an oil leak now which also means it's burning fuel like a fighter jet with the after burners on. LOL. I'm still waiting to order an ID4 AWD when it comes back online for ordering. The alternative will be the X3 PHEV. No wagons coming to Canada anymore and a couple friends work at BMW HQ and VW HQ.
I don't get excited by 'normal' SUVs as most them look like hatchbacks on stilts with lots of garish plastic cladding, but this is the genuine article. I'll bet it will be a good vehicle to actually own.
I bought my first Forester (diesel) in 2011 when my front wheel drive Volvo would not get up a gentle slope in icy conditions. I have had that, a diesel Outback, and now my favourite the Forester XT (2 litre turbo). My local dealership has been trying to persuade me to buy a hybrid Subaru now for several years, but I honestly do not see the reasoning behind lugging a heavy battery around which only is good for moving the car a few yards. Just enjoy the great car the XT is and drive light R footedly most of the time but have the power available to overtake with ease when necessary. On long journeys I can get 38-40mpg from the XT. I also enjoy the safety aspect of 4 wheel drive, occasional off road driving, lots of load carrying capacity, reliability, and by the way its a great towing car (within it's limits).
It's a shame that it doesn't look a bit sexier, but hey ho................😊
My Father had his Legacy for 22 years, very reliable brand for sure. 💪🏼
I’ve got a 2017 Forester XT. After five years of ownership the car is still wonderful to drive and apart from replacing air con unit I have not had any other issues with it.
What has prevented me from getting another Subaru has to be the anaemic engines in the current line up of models they offer Europe.
The problem with owning a Forester XT is that you can never go back to driving a normally aspirated model. The turbos offer an unrivaled driving experience.
At long last, someone who has given measurements of the boot! Some of us need to carry wheelchairs and mobility scooters in the rear. Well done Marek
I have a 2023 Forester Wilderness that I got a couple months ago. I'm very happy with it. In comparison to my 2018 Ford Escape, the Subaru is a luxury car with lots of features. I LOVE ❤️ the look to the Wilderness trim. I get a lot of compliments.
A lot more to the drivers that own Subarus then just practical and thrifty. Quite honestly I don’t drive a Subaru to impress anyone else, I drive a Subaru because of its safety, superior all wheel drive, comfort it’s just a fun car😊
I am an onwer of a 2022 Subaru Forester touring and I bought it in January of this year and it runs like a champ so far
Cars should “run like a champ” for 10+ years. You haven’t even had it for 6 months.
Wonderfuly practical vehicle, with one or two areas for improvement. You covered it perfectly in the review, as usual. I'm surprised it didn't pass your obstacle test. But the exterior design is a huge step back in my opinion. They peaked with gen. 3 and it's just "downhill" from there, without the downhill descent control :)
I was surprised too. I've seen reviews on this very same vehicle where it is pushed way harder than that little grassy knoll and it handles those courses fine. Not sure what gives here.
Sometimes you're making videos for new people so they enjoy getting good amount of information and making a decision but there are some people who are waiting for perfect videos, me included, and still not getting bored. well, this is one of those videos you just enjoy watching a good review and not getting bored. Always something new, new camera angel, new effects, new look but not everything is new. Repetitive things are accuracy, truthfulness and profesionality of presented information. this is not what you see everyday.
Love my new 22 Subaru Forester Sport I made a great decision!
Loved your T shirt Marek!
Great review, with some comments that made me laugh. I almost just bought a much more expensive, fancier car... but now I'm looking at getting a 2nd Subaru instead. It's everything anyone needs, and nothing you don't need.
Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k.
Compared to the Outback, Off road analysis/videos show the turbo in the Outback gets totally in the way of performance when climbing, as the Forester's new gearing and software changes bring much more to the equation over the turbo, in my opinion. ruclips.net/video/ZF_JtgJ7aKQ/видео.html
HAPPY TRAILS
The video you're linking to features cars with whatever engines you get in the US, but definitely not this hybrid crap we get in Europe.
@@MarekDrivesENG Ya, I want to stay away from hybrid, as the incremental benefits don't out weigh the costs...
The Forester remains a down to earth vehicle, just its design gets stranger from generation to generation...
I wonder if Subaru improved their rust resistance. But even so it's worthy of the short list!
Great review as always!
If you live in a snowy (and salty) area I'd suggest an additional layer of aftermarket rustproofing as soon as you take delivery of the car, regardless of the brand.
I just got a forester and every new 2022 on the lot already had rust on the exhaust pipe
Another great review Marek. Love the t-shirt too. 👍🙌😊
Great review about a well rounded SUV. Thanks Marek!
My pleasure!
We almost bought the 23’ Forester Touring but at the end of the day went with the Wilderness trim as it can tow 3000 lbs and we live off road just a little and tow lawn equipment. I was concerned it wouldn’t be a nice interior but it’s very comfortable and so easy to clean.
Almost bought one recently. The fuel consumption was the deal breaker for me as well. They should really come up with more economical engines imo.. yet, really nice looking and robust.
Totally agree!
@@MarekDrivesENG I think that if Subaru had 4th generation hybrid like Toyota, the fuel consumption, would be much better
It either needs to be more efficient or more powerful.
Currently it feels like it's lagging behind.
Great review Marek! The underpowered, naturally aspirated engines are a huge letdown, especially in Europe. Many testers have found these base engines to not be able to put down enough torque when offroading and make use of that AWD system. Fun fact, I have an Outback XT (2.4 turbo) and Subaru calls it the XT for Xtra Traction. Apparently, they know that their base model cars don't have enough torque for off-roading ;) but the Subaru AWD system when paired with the turbo (260 hp, 280 lb. ft. of torque) is a beast off-road. The Outback XT also comes with more soundproofing and acoustic glass, making it as quiet as my 2011 Volvo V70 on the highway; much quieter than my friend's 2.5l Forester. It's a shame that Subaru doesn't offer the 2.4t in the Forester (also not in the U.S.) and not in the Outback in Europe, it really transforms the car and represents what the brand is capable of. Here in Colorado, the Outback XT is ideal for our ski trips, light offroading to our cabin in deep snow and mud or to the trail head of our hike, and hauling our Kayaks on the roof rack (yes we are actual stereotypical Subaru owners that actually use our Outback as it is marketed), but it is probably not the best car for the grocery run in Europe. :P
My friend had an XT. Cried like a baby, when he had to sell it, but the fuel bills were killing him :(
@@MarekDrivesENG I can imagine. I was in Germany last week and gas was over 2 Euro per liter (about $8.50+ per gallon)! In the US, I just paid $4.45 per gallon (1.06 euro per liter). People are complaining about the cost of gas, and I just laugh. My lifetime fuel economy is 25.5 mpg (9.2 l/100 km), but this includes city driving, winter tires, ski racks, light off roading and preheating the car in the winter with the app. I can easily get 32 mpg (7.5l/100 km) on the highway at 80-85 mph (130-140 km/h), which I think is pretty good for this kind of car.
When I was about to buy my car, I did consider buying a Subaru, an Outback or Forester. I even took a Forester for a test drive. It was some of the previous generations, it was handling great on the road, but the fuel economy was . . bloody awful, to put it mildly and the interior was as cheap and plasticy as an American car. Add the prices of parts and labour when out of warranty and they've lost me completely. This generation, at least from the inside looks like a huge upgrade in interior quality. But the fuel economy hasn't evolved noticeably. I get well below 8L/100km city driving with my 1.5 TSI and no hybrid stuff.
Yes, for the performance fuel economy leaves a lot to be desired.
well said! what car did you buy at the end?!
Great review. It is 100% a grandma car (my mom owns a 10 year old version which is virtually identical to your test car)-- but that's great. It is reliable, efficient and safe. Job done. By the way, at 6:57 I think you forgot to swap out an old Suzuki graphic for the Subaru one.
Thanks, my editor must have had a late night.
I am (or atleast was) a Subaru-Guy to the heart. Too bad, the cars peaked somewhere around 2015.
The interiors are awesome these days, but boy, do I miss the drivetrain of my -08 Outback.
They just don’t do them like they used to, except the fact that Subies still have bad fuel economy. (Also, the dealer in my country sucks b*lls.)
Bring back the manuals and the turbos!
I’ve jumped ship and hopped along with the Koreans. Maybe one day I’ll by a Subie again…
Great review, made me miss ”the good old days”.
Great shirt.
Thank you for the review! Your English is perfect! For min. 10 years Subaru mainly makes cars for the North American market, so Iam always interested in how Eastern Europeans think about new Subarus. Iam from Hungary, but I’ve been living in the US for 13 years now, and owning 2 Subarus( 4 total over the time) I used to live in Chicago, where the winter is really rough, so I needed an all wheel drive car. Six years ago I moved to North Carolina, where only snowing once a year, yet there are Foresters and Outbacks are everywhere! For an American, Subaru is really a good choice, I know in Europe it’s a whole lot different story.
Thanks.
Indeed, over here it's expensive, and doesn't do much, unless you live in a rural area. But then you probably can't afford it in the first place, so catch 22.
@@MarekDrivesENG Exactly! It’s sad, because they are really good cars otherwise! Subaru is a small company, so they can’t afford to do so many things at once. Recently they’ve started to cooperate with Toyota, so the future is going to be interesting!
Toyota owns a bit of Subaru since 2005 through Fuji Heavy Industries, so recently is a relative term :)
I'm looking into a Forester to replace my Honda Element. I actually like a boxy vehicle with big windows. I test drove a few and since the Honda Element is not a particularly fast car either didn't seem very different as far as acceleration was concerned.
really go over the trim levels, some may not have the options you want, one thing i was not aware of was the consent need for wheel alignment for for all wheel drive , every 10,00 miles, my friend didn't do it and now has a thumping on the front tires , also you can't buy just one tire you have to do all four as the different wear on old and new tires can mess up the all wheel drive system
Great channel, keep up the good work!
Thank you very much!
Beautiful review Marek, I hope u will test the Outback as well one day. The Forester makes perfect sense to a clearly addressed audience, it reminds the indestructible Volvos of yesteryear. What's the motorway thirst by the way? I am with u, Subarus need just a bit of grunt more and hopefully their new 1.8 turbo sold in JDM will make its way to Europe. This would also help bearing with their CVT. Which u did not say much about... and why they do not sell an underpowered version of the 2.4 t US one with a touch of hybridization..... thanks, cheers & c u in the next one.
Development costs, etc. They'll probably mild whatever they have until the target group dies.
I love this car, maybe stupidly, but I do. It's a pity it doesn't have a spare tyre. Ah yes, and it's yet another relatively big car thought for four people. Not that I think it's an absurdity, it makes sense, but for those with 5-member families, counting the lack of the spare tyre plus it being underpowered sometimes... AAAH! Impossible for me. :-/
My 2022 Subaru forester doesn't have the extra camera for the front side wheels.
Kids in the back, loose cup holder in the center armrest. That' why there is a USB cover.
Here in Israel it is sold in the Canadian homologated model with a flat 2.5L engine. Much stronger.
Yes, a much better choice. Sadly we don't get those in Europe.
@@MarekDrivesENG we can get either European, US or Canadian homologated cars here.
@@MarekDrivesENG can you please review the Maxus Euniq 6 ? It is already sold in Europe.
I'm not touching any EV made in China. I tried one, and as I started charging it, lightbulbs in my house started pulsating. Fuck that. I took it back. Since then the importer changed, and they're trying the former news celebrity endorsement to push this shit :-)
Outback touring is also very good 👍
on VW group cars...you pay extra for each button ... on Subaru you get them included in the price ... still i wish ssangyong had put its "stuff" together making a good alternative -sadly they didnt/dont)
I do wonder why the forester is so noisy when driving. Like you're in a wind tunnel
Thanks for the review, Marek. I think the Forester's biggest issue is that it doesn't really stand out amongst it's competitors. I'm also surprised at the obstacle test results, as previous Subaru AWD systems were quite good.
I think my greatest disappointment with Subaru in general is that I know they're capable of making very good cars. I've had the pleasure of owning a flat 6 powered Spec.B Legacy as well as the Subaru built GT86 and both were absolutely sublime.
Apparently they made the electronics even more obtrusive, which may be ideal on the road, but less ideal off the beaten path. I couldn't disable traction control completely regardless of the drive mode, which sucks balls, when you really get stuck.
Which version Forester is this? I have a Limited but I font have that camera button by the shifter
This is whatever the top spec in your market is. In Poland and Germany it's called Platinum. I guess in the US it would be the Touring.
So many people dog on the Forester for being a quasi-plain Jane yet completely perfect actual utility vehicle it's humorous it's not trying to be a Land Rover which is just new money disguised as luxury. Rav4 is boring as fuck, the crv is a laff and pretty much everything except for Mazda feels cheap. This vehicle has every single thing you actually need and nothing that is just there for frippery. And as a result the resale value is always stellar whereas other offerings kind of fall by the wayside. I'm looking at you Jeep
Marek how is your Mini holding up?
Good thanks. I know I'm overdue with a report video, but I'm still trying to figure out the Android Auto issue.
This car would deserve any other powerplant than the one offered in EU.
I know. They could even put a 1.9 TDI in it, and it would be better :)
How will Subaru survive? US and Japanese markets. In surprised they even sell cars in Europe at all without a good hybrid strategy.
not a word about ride confort and handling?
It rides.
I don’t understand Subaru. Compared to a 2011 SH type, it’s undoubtedly more modern BUT, where’s the real progress? There’s no more room, it’s slower, it’s less economical, heavier and hard to justify swapping from my 2011 in good condition.
Maybe the outback with 170hp is slightly better. But in Europe we dont get the turbo. Maybe this 150 e-boxer is slightly better in the smaller XV. But 11sec is a little slow in 2022. I mean technically EU roads are clogged anyway but in case there are free stretches.
Never mind the 0-100 acceleration, but overtaking in this thing is not for the faint hearted.
My car... in a parallel universe where I am a farmer far from cities.
Sounds about right. It's a modern day Matra Rancho.
nice car from subaru
I have no idea why Subaru doesn't offer the hybrid in Canada. Petrol is 2,33/L here
Possibly because the fuel economy benefits are insignificant, versus the loss in performance. In Europe they have to because of emissions, but CO2 reductions are mainly on paper, and with passengers and/or luggage on board the car barely moves. I know this is not a sports car, but at least they could have made it more efficient.
5:06 - a random chicane in the middle of a straight road?
It's a service road for the municipal waterworks, and there are some inspection entryways there.
Physical buttons for most things, some ground clearance, 2x4's on the roof rack etc all sunds like a car that has my name written on it. Then we get to the engine which has 40hp less than my Passat Alltrack and half the torque. And my Passat isn't very fast either. Sad.
2022 Subaru Forester vs 2022 Subaru Outback. Who wins?
No idea. I don't even know what the current Outback looks like 🤣
Forester, by a landslide, primarily because it has a taller cabin with much better visibility.
Please do a Toyota Rav4 review.
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Fantastic cars! For a long while I just cant stomach the Eurotrash.
So I loveeee the touring but here in the US the rear doesn't come with the black trim panel across the logo, it only comes in Sport and in the wilderness. I went to the dealership and parts to find out if these pieces are interchangeable but they don't know. If it came exactly how you have it, it'll be a no brainer for me, but since it's not I'm not going to go with this one. That black panel makes a lot of difference. The US gets the ugliest of cars... =(
I wouldn't be surprised if Subaru left the European market, I'm not sure if they sell really anywhere in Europe, but in my market they barely sell at all I swear they're only held above water by one region where you can't find any other dealerships so Subaru is your only choice.
These days they sell around 20-30k units annually in Europe. Not a heap.
I have one coming next month. God it’s ugly, liked the open cabin.
I like 2nd gen.style which made the brand,
I moved onto Toyota
When I was a kid, I looked forward to growing up so I can buy a Subaru Impreza WRX. When I grew up, I realised it's not that easy to buy a sporty car. When I could buy a Subaru WRX, there was no WRX to buy new in Europe. The Impreza that is available to buy has 150 hp, as the forester that is just not quick enough. I bought a 1.5 Turbo GDI Hyundai i30 and realised that dreams change. I would have bought the Ceed GT but it's DCT only and it's just 1 sec faster to 100km/h compared to this i30. IMO, Subaru is getting irrelevant.
Now if you find a good WRX, you keep it as an investment :-)
@@MarekDrivesENG As used cars, I was thinking of a Lancer Ralliart as they are not that expensive, but I am not sure it would be wise.
Ralliart is worthless. Evo or nothing.
Subaru really has become irrelevant in the last years. In case you didn‘t know, there was a new STI planned, they hyped it up for years, then they launched the ugly and dissapointing wrx, and now they confirmed they won‘t launch the already developed STI
6:57 Why does it say "Suzuki Vitara Strong Hybrid Fuel Economy"?
Editor's mistake. Now you know what's coming next week.
@@MarekDrivesENG can't wait, thank you for keeping the reviews coming. Do you have any idea if the new PHEV Mitsubishi Outlander will be coming to Europe?
AFAIK the 2022 Outlander will not be offered in Europe.
@@MarekDrivesENG They are going to make a huge mistake, considering it was the most sold PHEV vehicle for multiple years in Europe.
PHEVs were a thing in some markets (particularly in the Netherlands due to taxes on company cars), but with a gradual shift towards BEVs Mitsubishi really has nothing to offer.
Very very slow engine+ CVT= old people car. No excitement! hybrid is poor..pedal is so sensible my right foot hurts! Drive test it before buying! EV goes in and out very fast. consumption is ok if you dont floorit! I got 6.7%. Its a house on wheels- how low can you get? 1800Kg, square shaped- and 4x4 permanent! And NO TURBO NO PROBLEMS. People are unrealistic when talking about consumption. Its all about the road, driver, and a million other factors. Its a familly car and that says it all. No more EU junk - VW, Opel, BMW...etc. Made in Japan. CHINA is another option, and I think far better than EU manufacturers. (CHINA makes Mercs also...depends how much money you want to spent)
Forester II generation ( SG) is much better offroad car . This thing is a joke.
Nice test drive as usual but what the hell with the creepy t-shirt?
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This thing is so ugly. I see these things everywhere in downtown Toronto. The "earthy types" love these things. It reflects their frumpy style. And I'm driving my father in law's Forester up to a friend's cottage tomorrow. I dread driving that thing. Bouncy, awfulness. Thanks for reminding me Marek!! :)
Why take the Forester then? :-)
@@MarekDrivesENG my car is getting too old. It's got an oil leak now which also means it's burning fuel like a fighter jet with the after burners on. LOL. I'm still waiting to order an ID4 AWD when it comes back online for ordering. The alternative will be the X3 PHEV. No wagons coming to Canada anymore and a couple friends work at BMW HQ and VW HQ.
X3, no PHEV. BMW isn't ready for it.
@@MarekDrivesENG there’s a X3 PHEV here.
I'm sure there is. It's just not BMW's finest powertrain. In terms of range and charging speed.