Fallout from Arizona abortion ban repeal | Sunday Square Off
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- Why did the Arizona House succeed on its third try to repeal the state's 1864 near-total ban on abortion? What was the political fallout from the intense debate? The Arizona Republic's Mary Jo Pitzl and KJZZ's Camryn Sanchez explain.
Sadly, I believe these Republicans only acted to save their jobs, not because they’ve realised they’re on the wrong side of this debate.
ROEvember is coming
I'd agree with that.
Those in marginal seats protecting their position and money.
They don't care if they're on the wrong side of the debate.
They've seen the pushback and clearly don't care.
It's all about winning and ruling, not governing.
Don't forget birth control, gay marriage and interacial marriage is in their sights too.
@@georgechickfulYUP! They were more than happy to let that ban from the 1800s slide right in. Even fought for a bit to keep it in place. I think some of these MAGAs (formerly the Republican Party) have ideologies I deeply disagree with and see the world as a good verses evil culture war. I guess that makes me evil lol? Others are absolute grifters who could care less about governing or peoples rights. Either way the GOP/MAGA only care about attaining power. It’s all they have ever cared about since at least the days of Clinton.
It's still a victory though, better to not let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
They did not do this for women. They did it to save their own butts.
Republicans panicked. They caught the car.
Good job ARIZONA. PLEASE VOTE 🔵 FOR BIDEN HARRIS ANOTHER 4 YEARS. LET'S VOTE THE MAGA REPUBLICANS OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE BOTH STATE AND GOVERNMENT LEVELS. TRUMP AND MAGA REPUBLICANS FOR PRISON FOR 20 TO 24 YEARS WITHOUT PAROLE MANDATORY
Yes vote blue
lol If you want illegals to take everything you own and endure college campus riots 24/7, smart one!
Too late to back down Republicans, your going to have to own this 🤣🤣🤣
Good they can own it.
Their plan nationally is clear, despite what the public wants.
They're your betters, now do as you're told.
Rule, not govern.
@@georgechickful howdy.
They caught the car. Problem is, 70 percent of people disagree with their stance, roevember should be interesting.
Quit imposing your radical religious beliefs on women! No one, No one, has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. Mind your own business
Banning a medical procedure designed to kill human lives isn’t telling you what to do with your body.
Please correct that to “Please stop imposing your religious beliefs on anyone”
@@skip181sg NO! You don't get to decide how people comment either
@@lissabee49 And you do??
Religious beliefs should not be enforced through the ballot box period
It's not their belief, it's just a tool to get power over women, notice its all white guys making decisions, they'd have the vote off women if they could.
Doing it to save themselves, that should tell you everything you need to know about how the Republicans feel about abortion......WAKE UP ARIZONA!
Freedom FROM religion! Don't force your extreme values on the rest of us! Separation of church and state!
Vote Blue!🙏💙
Not pro-life just pro-birth. Do not impose your belief on others because pro-choice weren't forcing pro-birth to get abortion.
VOTE BLUE STRAIGHT DOWN EVERY TICKET.
Fine.. then, that’s what I’ll do.
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to kill more children? you lost your mind
@@x-men69-96 lol, if you ever find yours, then come back and comment.
@@x-men69-96The children? You only care about the unborn. Once they are an actual child you cut everything that can assist them for education, health and safety.
The Republicans are all loony.
@@p_e_t_e no child deserves to be killed in the womb
The GOP cares very little for life.
VOTE BLUE. WTF ARIZONA
VOTE BLUE! 💙 🗳
Bodily autonomy, democracy and decency.
Roevember is coming 🔱Ⓜ️Ⓜ️🔱
Roe roe roe your vote 🌊🌊🌊🚣🌊🌊🌊🚣🌊🌊🌊🌊🚣🌊🌊🌊🌊
Meidas Mighty Represent
Wait they argued "abortion is slavery" These people will say anything and haven't a shred of rationality in their brain.
Not true, the argument of my body, my choice is similar to the argument slave owners used my property, my prerogative. Who are you to tell someone what they can do with their property? Same argument women use of who are you to tell me what to do with my body?
The common link? Both involve a separate human life not being given the chance to weigh in.
There’s the rationality they failed to explain
@@Yurrsawwwft No, they do NOT "Both involve a separate human life not being given the chance to weigh in." Only slavery does, abortion involves a clump of tissue - you're welcome to ask it's opinion, but it doesn't have one any more than a mold in a petri dish does. The reason you have to say the arguments are "similar" is because of how pointedly different they actually are. Anyone who compares abortion to slavery needs a lot of help, starting with some education, but definitely to include logic and critical thinking...
@@Yurrsawwwft Now that think about it, 'Forced Birth' is MUCH more analogous to slavery - in that it legally mandates a person using their blood, nutrition, organs, health and most likely a good portion of their lives to care for someone they don't know.
@@montybrown5410 I think you need help, try a biology textbook first. Life starts at conception
Nope. Until it's born, a fetus is a parasite.@@Yurrsawwwft
They didn't learn from the roe fallout, huh?
They wont stop. Next no contraceptions allowed..as well as no marriage equality.
@@lisal9829 It’ll be like Romania all over again, and that turned out horribly.
Learn from the fallout? I don't think you understand what's actually going on with them. They will NEVER compromise and will happily go down with their preposterous sinking ship all in the name of their crazy "ideals." They view abortion as a capital crime and have drawn a very clear line in the sand. These people, mostly men, are extremely dangerous and will do what they believe they must, law or no law. They do not feel bound by rule of law when it comes to abortion. These people are what one calls "true believers." They will never debate (as they perceive abortion to be a non-debatable issue) and will never back down. That's the ugly reality of where the United States is at today.
They got a preview of public anger.
Just wait for the silent majority to rise up. You haven't seen anything yet.
Democracy wins again! Meidas Mighty in the House. Bi-partisan finally!
Bi partisan are you insane
Why is nobody reminding GOP men about their self interest in this debate.
They can't all be Hershal Walker.
This is decades of child support and access arguments, for them.
They're having sex outside of marriage too.
Anyone can be against abortion, but they should not force their opinions on to everyone!
Is the baby for or against their own abortion? Do they get a say?
@@albertgreen8347They are not alive.
@@atrailmckinley4786
They are growing, digesting, developing, therefore they are absolutely alive.
@@albertgreen8347 A lump of cells is not alive.
@@atrailmckinley4786
You and I are certainly lumps of cells and yes, we are alive.
Don't be confused, women it seems to men at center of the debate envolving serious decisions about your health. Our health, children, and families should not be pawns in political games. Women should not have to be at death's door before doctors are allowed to help them. Men step up and stand with women, endangering them and attacking bodily autonomy is not the way to protect children.
Vote blue 💙🩷💙🩷!!!
Ruben Gallego for Senate
Are you in favour of an abortion ban unless it is a direct threat on the mother’s life?
@@Yurrsawwwftdoesn't matter. Full stop. You do not get to decide what a woman does with her own body. Period.
@@lissabee49 do what you want with your body, I’m not concerned with your body, I’m concerned about the life inside your body.
Banning a practice of abortion doesn’t violate your right to bodily autonomy.
@@lissabee49 also it does matter, if you’re opposed to an abortion ban with exception, you don’t have an argument in this case as most abortion is out of selfish inconvenience and not the minor cases people tend to throw in to make a point.
All it shows is that you don’t have a coherent argument and will argue for any abortion regardless of reason and your morals are misguided.
"Man step up and stand by women". Absolutely. This murderous fake religion stuff has to stop. Vote blue if you love a woman on this planet.
VOTE ALL REPUBLICANS OUT EVERYWHERE EVERYTIME !!!🤔
Many people believed that if the current no abortion at all situation was not modified to be more moderate there would a much greater chance of the a liberal referendum vote would succeeding in the fall, one which would not eveen have a 15 week limit.
I think that is true....and letting the civil war ear law prevail was really really angering even Republican women.
Imagine women mad about ignorant bible thumpers getting in their very personal business.
So, Arizona has a ballot measure for this November election that would legalize abortion up to 24 weeks. This will probably pass. If this Civil War era law wasn't repealed it definitely would have passed.....and brought out a lot more Democrat voters.
Even though I support a woman's choice, I was hoping this repeal wouldn't go through.
The three Republicans knew this. I think all the Republicans understood the politics and knew the consequences if it wasn't repealed, but knew they would have trouble with the base if they voted to repeal. So, they counted on those three to make it happen.
You can say the same (but opposite) with the Democrats. I bet some were reluctant to repeal. Strategically, having that archaic law _and_ an abortion ballot measure....during a general election, in a swing state, would make for the perfect hat trick.
So, Arizona has a ballot measure for this November election that would legalize abortion up to 24 weeks. This will probably pass. If this Civil War era law wasn't repealed it definitely would have passed.....and brought out a lot more Democrat voters.
Even though I support a woman's choice, I was hoping this repeal wouldn't go through.
The three Republicans knew this. I think all the Republicans understood the politics and knew the consequences if it wasn't repealed, but knew they would have trouble with the base if they voted to repeal. So, they counted on those three to make it happen.
You can say the same (but opposite) with the Democrats. I bet some were reluctant to repeal. Strategically, having that archaic law _and_ an abortion ballot measure....during a general election, in a swing state, would make for the perfect hat trick.
This is bs. Women should have rights , and the GOP will pay for their cruelty and stupidity.
Blue Blue Blue
Wasn’t Kern the one crawling on the senate floor, with fellow cristotaliban members, mumbling incoherent babble, to summon demons?
😂 YUP! Just looked it up…Fact 🤣
How can that young woman live in such a backward state??? She must be in danger of losing her mind. Dear, get out! Run!
This is the kind of legislature that gerrymandering gives us, an out of touch minority rule only concerned for themselves. They have to be overwhelmingly voted out.
What will you do to ensure that?
@narda1072 I cannot ensure that, no one can. We can only live as examples and encourage others to participate and be active.
A few gop + all dems repealed shame on newscasters giving gop credit and focus. Also needed more focus on fallout. No credit voven to dems.
Funny that they compare abortion with slavery. Aren’t they the ones that say slavery wasn’t all that bad?
What fallout? The GOP extremists in Arizona just lost the election for themselves and Republicans nationally. 😂
DO NOT TRUST THEM AGAIN.
What’s next repealing the law 1847 about using a donkey for advertisement ?!
It is always the men,they decide what women can do
If you wish to control a person and remove their rights to personal autonomy, then with the control also so comes responsibility of your actions you should also be willing to take on the cost of those actions, by monetarily supporting the child until they are 18 years old.,
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Let's take this one step further. If I call the police on my neighbor who is killing someone and the police stop them, am I now responsible for the victim if they survive?
@@albertgreen8347So you are in favor of
forcing a rape or incest victim or medically compromised to term and abanding them.
@@albertgreen8347 Lets take it one more step if your wife, daughters or granddaughters where forcibly impregnated would you force them to carry the child then take responsible for the child if they survive? or you like most people that tell other what they have to do without ever knowing anything about the circumstance.
@@jimr8102 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏!!
Committee assignments shouldn't be treats for someone to give out and take away on a whim. How disruptive is that to any process the committee may be making. Self-serving politicians are the worst.
Politicians = totally against abortion when it wins them votes!!!
Politicians in vulnerable seats = 15 weeks is ok, I might stay in power...
It's all about power.
Or maybe 3 people realized they shouldn't control women's rights to their bodies. Has nothing to do with life, if it did, the GOP would make sure every kid had health insurance and food to eat. It's all about control.
Masterful analysis and truth-telling both ty
Already got my hysterectomy there will be NO chance of my death because of someone else's decision. Already adopted my son who we fostered many more children here who Republicans conveniently forget about need a family .. I'm gonna just adopt more to love and care for ....
Oh they mention adoption if pushed.
Of course none of them have adopted.
Once the child born they lose interest.
@@georgechickful of course ... no money to make there
@@darktruth9331 Well there is money to be made in childcare.
Maybe someone should float the idea of government expanding and subsidising it.
If the private sector can squeeze that dry, they'll be into it.
It's the game you have to play with the GOP, cream for the private sector from public coffers, then they'll support it.
Thanks Republicans!
If the logic of Genesis is right about the self beginning at first breath, then the first experience of the self must be "hunger for air." Which is a term from the science of physiology.
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If this logic from Genesis is wrong and the self begins BEFORE the first breath, then some experience other than hunger for air must occur before the first experience of hunger for air.
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Maybe the first beat of the heart. However, there is self control over the breath but not over the heartbeat. I can take a few deep breaths and then hold my breath for a certain amount of time. But I can't take a few deep heartbeats and then hold my heartbeat for a certain amount of time. Self control exists for the breath but not for the heartbeat.
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The physiology is most likely that "astrocytes" (a kind of "glial cell" in the brain) flood the system during parturition. Astrocytes are required for consciousness, because the "astrocyte syncytium" is a basic part of the brain. These astrocytes enable memory. And memory involves the self. But the instrumentation for all of this is difficult, if not impossible.
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So at the initial experience of hunger for air, the self has simply the shortest forms of memory. No long term forms of memory yet exist for it.
(For more on memory and the self, please see the youtube video "A memory of kindness.")
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The logic from Genesis appears in the words:
"... breath of life ..."
Logically there must be a first breath.
And there must be a last breath.
(For more quotations from the Bible, please Google the article: "Pro-choice pastors like Raphael Warnock have the Bible, history on their side")
If the pastor is pro-choice he is no friend to God, there’s plenty of false teachers out there. Look at all the prosperity preachers getting wealthy off of the misuse of the bible.
@@Yurrsawwwft if
Behold the end of the power of the American Taliban.
So getting rid of Rowe vs Wade was a good thing since states get to make thier own laws to address these issues. Go Figure
I will write these Republicans to thank them personally. They have chosen to not be lions and instead, more like Daniel.
We'd have had two red waves if it wasn't for their stupidity
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y Not stupidity, stupid policy stances. If you truly are for "small government" stop trying to regulate what happens in the bedroom!
They're more like Pontius Pilate. They're beliefs tell them to do one thing which is ban abortions, even for those who don't share their beliefs, but instead they have caved into public pressure. Ultimately I agree with the decision, but they didn't come to it for the right reasons but instead to appease the crowd and try and hold onto power.
Bare minimum-vote blue
Oh, look. The "America Second" crowd just had to re-join America. Darn that border, huh, Guys.
They must have read their old testament for the first time and realised that the bible's reporting of the laws of Moses specifically says that a foetus is not alive. It's considered a man's asset and if it's lost due to an act of violence the perpetrator has to pay a fine.
They didn't want to repeal this law, not because it's wrong but because of their religious beliefs. Those beliefs should be left outside of the House and Senate just as the Constitution states.
As a Boy, the idea of human life starting at conception is ludicrous. A fetus while it will grow up to be a thinking being at that stage, a fetus is no different than someone who is suffering from Total Brain death. Neither have yet for thw fetus/ or for the B.D. victims are no longer or yet to even be able to "live" as human beings. should Laws like this be passed where in the future where people suffering From B.D who's mind is gone but who's body is kept alive by a machine does that mean the hospital or family cannot let them pass away peacefully for victims or love ones sake in fear of being charged with murder?
Brain death is a little different as there is no clear reasonable expectation that the brain will grow to full health and maturity.
Get rid of the electoral system. Vote all Democrats 2024 to save democracy. Vote blue for womens rights and health care. Vote blue for decent people like Harris and Biden 🌊💙😎
Idk her but she doesn't look like a sepratist barbie so ill support her on my common sense alone🤙❤
Question! Why are we so concerned about standing up for the innocent children in Palestine but we don’t give a crap about our own children or the children being abandoned/raped by cartels at our border? There’s no difference so don’t try to make up one!
guess we know what side this so called news channel is on
He is a lightweight poking the bear thus a class in faafo maybe in the future hope so
If Republicans gain National power, this mess will go nationwide. Vote.
This mess was the state of this country and many other countries for centuries.
In 2024 with all of the problems we have and need to solve, we are talking about abortion? The state of our state is very sad.
What problems?
Taking women’s rights back to draconian times is a HUGE PROBLEM.
I think avoiding a dystopian society like Gilead, is our most pressing need.
abortion rights will be in the news everyday right up to november 5th. this time women will be voting to save their lives.
@@deangulberry1876the lack of education would be top priority, maybe stop acting like fascist or communist or both, sensible gun laws as to not have children gun down in schools, maybe help with child care, paid vacation time and sick days when needed with note from the doctor without fear of getting fired, etc... These are some of the things that maybe can be solved or just a few steps in the right direction...
Planned Parenthood. "Bring us your babies. Baby body parts are very profitable for us."
Lie.
Evil comments.
Yes, Republicans do post those!
Christ said, you who are without sin can cast the first stone, show us one person who is free from sin on this earth. Practice what you preach
@@joancooney7724they are allowed to speak the truth, Christians won’t go out of their way to be offensive, however the cross in itself is offensive (Galatians 5:11), The cross was an offense to the Jews as they believed the idea to salvation is to “work the works of God” (John 6:28-29) whereas Jesus came in and told them salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone. He made it clear that “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight” (Romans 3:20).
at 9 11 months he has no money no job future she says bye bye baby
Where? Who? Give me one case at 9 months "just because" abortion happened? I am waiting.
@@JohnSmith-fu2dfat 9 months it's viable. As soon as a baby can live outside of the womb, its murder to kill. That law has been enforced for hundreds of years. No change. Abortion can only happen until a pregnancy is viable.
Name one actual instance of this. You can’t, because that is not something people do. I understand. You prefer to bring these children into the world so that you can whine about welfare babies and not care when they don’t make it through their school day due to yet another school massacre.
Are you going to reply to previous comment or have you figured out how moronic you sound by your completely unfounded nonsense?????
What?
I still don't understand how the Arizona S.C. can enact a law that did not apply to Arizona, due to Arizona not being a state in 1864...
Also, rethuglican men talking about what happens during an abortion who have no medical experience in women's health care and trying to say abortion is the same as slavery. Omm, there is nothing remotely the same between abortion and slavery.
I gagged when Coney Barret in the Dobbs opinion talked about a shortage of supply of orphans for the foster system.