People saying its a bad thing to pay for the game is crazy to me. We have almost double the amount of content, no mtx, and free content updates in the future is worth more than what they're asking for in my opinion. Plus I think we all agree that the skins in the game aren't worth buying, so paying for the game makes sense.
Nah what's crazy is it was free before not a pay game nah every moba should be free if I'm gonna play a game like this I'm not spending money on it period
@DurelleKick okay? I mean you do you bro. F2P games can't make any money of no one buys anything in the game, which people really didn't do in the original gigantic. So I'm fine with them asking for money upfront so I can support it.
@RodgyFlapps lol u are 100 percent wrong if that was true mobile gaming would be dead paladins on console and pc be gone overwatch 2 i can go all day of games that are free that people obviously pay for in game stuff
@DurelleKick okay bro you're not reading anything I'm saying 🤣 again, you do you bro. And opinions can't be wrong if it's my opinion it's just that so relax
having it be paid with no micro is probably whats gonna kill it. if it was FTP with skins as its way to profit would probably draw in way more people and in the long term give it more support
tbf that’s how it was originally and it didn’t help it survive past a year or so. though tbf the climate of gaming has changed a lot over the years, so maybe it would’ve worked this time
It's a model that still finds some success. I don't know *how* Deep Rock Galactic is profitable, but it's one of the most successful multiplayer shooters on the market right now, complete with new free content on a reasonably regular basis. I don't think Gigantic is up to the quality to make it work right now, but I wouldn't argue if it idd.
Remember that the company who acquired gigantic and rereleased it for us is known for their remasters, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they plan on revamping things like responsiveness, graphics, UI, etc
if their plan was to remaster it as you said, they would have done so prior to shipping it. as it stands they only plan on adding competitive and more skins.
I played it as a 1st timer ie having never played the it when it first came out and it was really fun. Most of the stuff besides the bugs didn't really bother me, but even if this was a micro transaction game. Most of these cosmetics suck, only like 1 or 2 woth buying one a few characters.
which characters are you referring to? they’re all pretty well made besides the recolors of course. there just hardly is any skins in general to even think of it as profitable if it was micro transactional.
Well what they can do it give the option to buy coins but keep everything also as an unlockable like ow1. You can earn skins but lazy ppl will just buy the coins. Which will help the game
I am split between the no mtx. On one hand, I love it. I for one, am sick and tired of BS mtx monetization. But on the other hand, I love Gigantic so much I want it to succeed. So much so that I bought the game five separate times on release. Overall though, I'm so glad that there are no mtx
@@Label07 do you actually care about the frame rate of the main menu? Or do you think the non wide screen support is such a deal breaker it needs to be half the video?
@@uglyheadass1459 lol that's a fun theory. I honestly think that it's just current game reviews have become really jaded. Not to mention algorithm wise being negative is just more profitable at the moment. People are mad at triple A gaming and this is how RUclipsrs profit from it.
@@synthnacho3547 yeah I’m mad at triple A too but I don’t think trashing these games is the way to show that considering if it dies people have to go back to overwatch or call of duty lol. Or just play baldurs gate or another “good game” that’s not in this genre forever until we die. Because the games industry isn’t getting any better….
I honestly think I'll buy it just to support this very very small genre that needs to grow! I'm tired of people calling new games in a small genre a clone of the original. It's like calling Banjo Kazooie a clone of Mario 64... Like absolutely dumb. But what do you expect of people.
I understand that the old players wanted a bit more out of this release. However i never played this game before, and as such im more then happy to get this experiance for me and my friends. Also the fact that the publisher gave this game a secound chance is admirable and i can not blame them not "risking" more money on the line by throwing development hours to the wind. Remember, this game had sinked a dev studio once. That being sayd im having a lot of fun so im up fir the challenge.
Blizzard Fanboys called battleborn an Overwatch clone too, I think its anything but an overwatch clone but whatever. I hope battleborn comes back next!
I'm hoping and praying. I bought Gigantic fiver separate times on release. All in hopes that Gearbox will notice and consider it. Gigantic and Battleborn were actually surprisingly comparable. Unlike either game is to OW. I will always hate blizzard fanboys for killing so many games for no reason.
I really want it but im hesitant cause im pretty sure its just gonna shut down again. Its disappointing i live these types of games. Bring back battleborn!
Yeah i agree was hoping they would go harder with bringing it back. Like remaking it on ue5 or at least more content, guess they can add content down the line but i dont know of them commiting to anything. With the art style i would think i could get 144fps at minimum but to hear that the game limits it to 60 as a result of its design is disappointing. They could have brought it back and taken advantage of people being tired of blizzards bs (like me) but still miss that itch that games like OW scratched.
My dream scenario would be this; they re-release this with minor support to keep the competitive aspect going. Maybe a grassroot scene akin to Smash Melee will grow. The devs use the income from Rampage edition to create a team for developing Gigantic 2. A real modern sequel. I am on massive copium with this. I just want MORE gigantic in the future.
Dont like of u generalising problems that only rly are a problem to a small minority. Like more then 60fps.. some super specific resolutions etc.. all that sounds like a need ftom hardtry apex pro player... most people dont care.. not to mention that if u as a PC player have 200hz and fps vs a console guy with 60.. is stupid... and what flick shots?..... which champion needs fkick shots? :D .... this is not valorant
Unable to retrieve stats = loss of progression A player has declined = infinite matchmaking queue = must restart matchmaking Authentication Error = can't sign in 60fps was a downer, my PC could easily pull 120
The biggest complaint I have is there wasn’t an accessibility setting because being able to highlight enemies and allies would help allow them to pop out visually
Good game. I actually prefer the new game mode now. I really hated having to level up and some characters are just way stronger in early levels than others. Also I like the idea that you have to battle for the neutral gather points without having summons that give advantages.
the unkillable bots is NOT a little issue. in every one of my games someone abuses the glitch by leaving and rejoining affectively creating another invincible version of themselves that kills your creatures. this is 100% game breaking so imo the game isnt playable still.
Biggest problem for a game is not being able to play it like I went about 20-25 imes of the game saying match found just to say someone left like it honestly so confusing and dumb to bait me into believing I’m finding matches and I’m not
I think I went into Gigantic with nostalgia glasses. I was very excited when they revealed they were "updating" the game and re-releasing it. They had those behind the scenes looks that seemed like they were doing a lot of polish, which only fueled the excitement. It was a game that was so fun at the time, but it was competing with other MOBA-like experiences on top of Overwatch in its prime. Then when they did the closed beta for the Rampage Edition and I spent a few hours in it, a lot of my excitement kinda died. Maybe it's the exposure to the high polish multiplayer experiences today, or maybe I've just gotten older, but I just couldn't get into it like I wanted to. The impact of hits felt very weak. Combined with a lack of particle/animation clarity (and sound clarity in some cases), it was too easy to get "lost" in the noise of 12 different attacks going off at once and their animations completely obscuring characters and the action itself. Then you throw in a lot of these other issues you mentioned in the video and the game we received feels discordant with the work and hype they were alluding to with their developer videos. For such interesting character design and gameplay as it offers, I think it's been dated even more than I remember, and I wish the game got some updates to bring it into a modern era of hero shooters where it could carve out a niche that doesn't have a lot of competition (maybe that's due to lack of interest these days, though?). I'd love to see Battleborn be given a second chance as well, but I'm scared it'd suffer the same issues as Gigantic.
Wow you hit the nail on the head, I feel the same way as well. I was really excited for the game and I loved a lot of the characters but in game it’s lacking that impact and satisfaction a lot of games I’ve played have. Hell I’m playing and thinking to myself, I want to play Paladins instead
Exactly. I, too, have gone by my nostalgia glasses. I have seen a decent amount of concurrent players, so I bought it. And, the thing is, it's not even about that. I think characterizing the game as being outdated in certain aspects is undermining how incredibly incompetent quality of life features are. it's incredible. Match, tutorial, what's going on... it's all a big mess. And I'm an old player, I KNOW what's going on - more or less. Still, the game does a horrific job at pacing itself and communicating state of the match to players. When it comes to Battleborn, I don't think it suffers from the same fate, but it does a lot of things incorrectly. Its downfall was sped up by OW, but it wasn't caused by it. Same goes for Gigantic. I have a feeling that the devs are being lead by the sentiment that these games would take off by just existing, but that's not the case. It's incredibly frustrating to see bunch of yes-comments on steam forums and the like. People seem so hung upon being vindicated or one-upping OW or whatever, that they are willing to completely ignore some of the objectively horrendous mechanis and experiences of these games.
Everyone remember if its missing polish or not fully up to date its largely because they took a risk bringing this game back so they put little to know extra funds until they see if there is a want for more
Thank you for the non-nostalgia review! I am excited to see if the devs will fix these issues. I don't have a ton of nostalgia for Gigantic so I don't mind waiting and seeing. Now if they re-released Battleborn, I don't think I could look at it unbiased and I would definitely have nostalgia glasses on.
I want it so bad! Those characters were so fun and I personally enjoy first person experiences more. Plus, Gigantic has very fast movement and I'm old and prefer slower (not super slow but not where every character is a sprint/movement monster (looking at Apex)) but more tactical movement.
there is a dev response from a reddiet Q&A from years ago, basically its a side effect from the networking code, where they wanted it to feel as smooth and responsive as possible. Additonally with the gameplay how it is with the skill system it needs a tighter collaboration between the server and client more than usual for an Unreal Engine 3 game and UE3s networking code didn't support more at the time. They did say back then they didnt want to have the 60fps constraint, but it worked for their goals, but wanted to eventually change it but they never got to before the game was shut down and motiga dissolved.
A lot of these games are lacking in character development outside of gameplay. This is a fun game, but what makes these characters unique. What’s a good way to this character relatable. Why are they getting these monsters to attack. It’s missing the flavor. I’d rather eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch than eat Brand flakes. I feel like this is what this game is. It’s cool, but after a while, what’s next.
I never ever had heard about Gigantic. Epic Games gave it for free and that's how I got to know it. I seriously don't know how it's a nostalgia for everyone. I got to know about it today
I have some of the same issues you have and im in the same boat this game isnt gonna stick because of thses issues and the devs most likely arent gonna bring the game back fully 20 dollar entry fee with no monetization to fund future development makes me think that unless this game blew up like other games have recently the plug is just gonna be pulled in a year
@@GeneralGladerious This is a lie I've seen perpetuated for years now. If you put a 60 HZ monitor right next to a 144 HZ monitor you can 100% tell the difference. I literally went from a monitor that was 60 HZ (aka won't see over 60 FPS) to a 144 HZ monitor (won't see over 144) and I immediately could tell the difference. So much so that, a year after I got it for the longest time, after playing games in 144 fps, going back to 60 FPS actually felt like the game was slow. Legitimately the only way you'll probably believe me, is if you genuinely get yourself at least a 144 hz monitor and run higher frames. You will notice a massive difference in smoothness, and it'll feel better and hell in FPSs it is essentially VITAL to have higher FPS as higher FPS = way easier to actually land shots.
it does look fun. But yeah, considering that I have to spend 15 dollar and the the game may be dead after a couple of month doesn't sit well with me. In addition, since this game is an old game, I got a feeling like once i try it, i will just constantly get folded by beta-player. Which is fine for me with any other game but then again, If it will really be a short live game then I got a feeling like by the time, i master 1 character, the game be dead. So for me, I will just wait and see if thsi game will survive. edit: for me, this just felt like a cash grab from publisher. Especially with how i dont see how a multiplayer game in modern day could survive without going free-to-play.
“Overwatch clone” ☝️ that is exactly why it died. People today have no idea the struggles this game was fighting against, overwatch being a shell of what it once was will give this game a huge advantage now, 20$ no stupid micro transactions, easy to play hard to master, tons of cool free skins to collect. It’s perfectly fine and I’ve been gaming hard on it
Nah, F2P with micro transaction skins would keep the game alive long enough to fix everything. As it stands, a game like this will see its player base collapse (already has), and the company wont be able to cover the costs of keeping the servers running. It'll be gone again because of their decisions on this.
the reason is that game dev don'T make beta testing for rush server anymore... game are rushed into the market instead and server stress test is actually that ... normally games would make an open beta free for all to test the server... AND then if the server hold launch the game or fix the issues and delay the launch by few days... but since players don'T care anymore either about playing early access... welll that's the result of lowering the expectation bar...
What a wonderful review! Thanks for such a comprehensive overview of both good and bad in its current state, even though You love the game, You us the reality of it. Hope the queue issues will get updated soon.
I mean you cant expect everything in the game to peopl 100% free and also want new content there is 0 reason to make more content if you make no money from more then the box price it self . Its back for the community not to.compeat in the market for that you need cash
About the server thing: This is just a thing that's ALWAYS affected games. Idk why we focus on it in 2024. And people act like servers have a "get more duh" fix. They obviously weren't expecting player counts as high as they were
The game is very fun when it works. But let’s be serious…these severs are almost non functional. I had to literally pull my PS5 cord because the game got stuck in an infinite loading loop with no way to close. Not to mention the matchmaking is terrible. I’m an original Battleborn fan so I want to love this game, but I can barely play. I’m not going for the whole servers will get better thing. Predecessor is not having these problems. I’m just tired of the same old hype.
@@jwill6495 yeah Predecessor was build from scratch and is working perfectly since his day 1 release, how is that Gigantic came almost the same whole game and had those big issues
I am so happy Gigantic is back. I loved this game and was sad when it was shut down. The style and characters are so amazing. Please let’s keep this game alive.
Not being a free game kills the game for me. I won't be able to convince anyone I know to play this. The moment I found it costed any money at all killed it for me. Shame.
I wish that the sole presence of mtx didnt have such a stain on games now. Mtx have been around forever & I think the hate on em has the opposite effect that players intend it to have. If they hinder the game I understand the hate but just because a game has mtx doesnt automatically turn me off
the 60 fps cap on a skill based fast pace combo oriented combat is insane to me. it's like putting a speed limit on f1 race. it might kill this games if it's not changed.
@@OzoneGamerStationI swear there’s bots from the other moba games trying to trash the game when it’s fun and isn’t meant to be league of legends style competitive
There's a fix. Should be on front page of steam reviews. Now we'll see if this devs patch it out. I worry they may do that cause of console plebs stuck at 60 but it would be a massive mistake. The frame uncap fix will likely keep the game alive on pc.
I can’t even play it lol I bought it and been trynna play for over 2 hours, just been searching endlessly and with crossplay on someone either leaves before the match forms forcing a new lobby que or I get far enough to pick my character and someone backs out last min so that’s fun..
Should have been a free to play game tbh. Also it doesn't have enough characters for now. I wanna try. But i just don't know if its for me. And since its not free to we dont know how much it will be updated...
Its crazy how players are so hesitant to drop 15$ on a game that will give you hours of fun, and even better with friends but no problem ordering Doordash. So what if it doesn't become the next big game of all time, its 15-20 bucks worth of GOOD GAME.
Well, Dota 2 was not always free to play for example. And I think its pretty understandable for a game which only getting released etc. After getting enough attention, it becomes free to play
It is NOT disappointing. If you played the first one and loved it like me, it is not a problem spending money on the game. It seems like everything from the first game is still there so let’s enjoy it and spread the word
Personally think that the game is gonna die off slowly thanks to other moba's becoming f2p and also feeling like its 2 little too late for them to recover. I could be heavily wrong soo i am hoping to be wrong....
I did the thing where I commented before watching the video. Thank you for bringing up often not considered issues like Ultrawide and servers as an OCE player! I understand the economics of the server issue but I really wanted to support this project and I just can't with unplayable ping and stupid design decisions like no 21:9+ support
well said, as i loved the first time it was released like 5 years ago or something? I still dont see ANY CHANGE this time. It feels indeed as a bringback, pay for it. and let it die whitin a couple of weeks or months. Sigh... it was a good game though.
Really glad they brought it back, but honestly, even though I like the fact that there's no micro-transactions, the initial purchase fee for a multiplayer-only game is what's holding me back. If the community keeps going strong, I might pick it up, but after the original version got shut down, I'm very cautious of buying a game where I won't be able to find a match/play it at all in a few months.
@@yeetman4953 a moba has laning with creeps + item builds and a pool or crystall as smth you can destroy. In gigantic there is nothing - only the pool thing but even this is different because you can effect the events - clash or turn it to def etc.
So the major criticism is that PC master race tin foil hatters can't play the cartoony FPS at 240? You're trying to milk engagement atp, this is not even an issue normally, not even for gameplay reasons.
You’d be surprised how many people are bitching about the 60FPS lock. PC gamers sound spoiled as fuck when they complain about these kind of things especially considering this isn’t a game that necessarily needs more than 60FPS to work…
@@akilreid9476 For several years I almost exclusively played games at 120-144 FPS. Then I had to play some games at 60 FPS and I shit you not I got headaches and nauseous after a bit. It was miserable. Took me nearly half a year to actually properly readjust back down to 60 FPS. I'm fairly certain this will be the case for some people, though I'm pretty sure most people just want higher FPS because higher FPS = way easier to hit targets.
My biggest issue isnt anything listed but the player base for me, I found out through a stream of a really good player that there were private betas for years so a lot of the player base isn't actually new at all. If I had known this sooner I wouldn't have even considered purchasing, for whats its worth I'm trying my best to have fun even though I'm rolled almost every game, it gets a bit disheartening. Also if you're on the losing team, expect toxicity as usual to add to the disheartening side of the game. Also you pointed out the UI which I noticed almost immediately, I feel the UI is in locked 30, the animations are janky. I would like to see some form of equal and fairer matchmaking in the future and maybe an upgrade to ue4 maybe even 5?
Who tf cares. Does losing make you cry? Grow some back bone. I get rocked sometimes too but idgaf. Every death is a learning experience. There's also a comp system coming I which the whole point of it is to play with people at your skill level. I jumped into quake as a new player with quake veterans who've been fragging for 25 years. Still don't gaf and still have fun.
in the clash gamemode there are control points where the players summon Creatures that gather power for the team. Both teams summon, but outside of that it is PvP exclusively. You can select before each game which creatures you want to be able to summon so there is strategy for what you bring to the team along with your own playstyle and role you fill for the team.
I payed for the founders pack which cost 30$ 7 years ago to then get it cancelled and wasting my time and money and now I have to pay 20$ so just this is a hard pass.
I get your salty but the problem is the people who owned the game and made those decisions that made you lose your money or not the people who own the game now. The owner of the IP and the developers who are working on it are completely different people. That's like if a person at a store did you wrong and then years later after that person has moved on with their life and don't even work there anymore. You're still mad at the store even though no one is there anymore who even remembers what happened because they weren't there when it happened. But your life is not my life. Hold on to your unjustified grudge.
@@Grimjr7 its the same IP, is not a remake or anything is the same game, same game I invested on. Is like league of legends, i've spent a lot of money on it, but if they shut down and then open the game years later under a different company instead of RIOT games is now RITO games and the assets remain the same, you not getting me twice. This is me being salty against product makers not the store.
@@tigerfalco helldivers 2 was a better investment. 20 bucks better spent someplace else. Will see how the game state will be in a few months and if it's discounted price. Plus let's see how much anti cheat will function
I agree but sadly many people are not able to play the game because 60 fps gives them a massive headache after 1 or 2 rush games. I have a friend that really enjoyed the game but refunded it because he felt sick after. It's a massive oversight
pc have mouse and keyboard either way and it's a bigger advantage than having +100fps. I was thinking on upgrading from 140hz to 240hz or even more so the 60fps cap really bother me
People saying its a bad thing to pay for the game is crazy to me. We have almost double the amount of content, no mtx, and free content updates in the future is worth more than what they're asking for in my opinion. Plus I think we all agree that the skins in the game aren't worth buying, so paying for the game makes sense.
Nah what's crazy is it was free before not a pay game nah every moba should be free if I'm gonna play a game like this I'm not spending money on it period
@DurelleKick okay? I mean you do you bro. F2P games can't make any money of no one buys anything in the game, which people really didn't do in the original gigantic. So I'm fine with them asking for money upfront so I can support it.
@RodgyFlapps lol u are 100 percent wrong if that was true mobile gaming would be dead paladins on console and pc be gone overwatch 2 i can go all day of games that are free that people obviously pay for in game stuff
@DurelleKick okay bro you're not reading anything I'm saying 🤣 again, you do you bro. And opinions can't be wrong if it's my opinion it's just that so relax
@@RodgyFlapps nah I read it perfectly kid
having it be paid with no micro is probably whats gonna kill it. if it was FTP with skins as its way to profit would probably draw in way more people and in the long term give it more support
tbf that’s how it was originally and it didn’t help it survive past a year or so. though tbf the climate of gaming has changed a lot over the years, so maybe it would’ve worked this time
@@TrueEyeCult from my memory there was barely anything to buy
It might not stay that way honestly
It's a model that still finds some success. I don't know *how* Deep Rock Galactic is profitable, but it's one of the most successful multiplayer shooters on the market right now, complete with new free content on a reasonably regular basis. I don't think Gigantic is up to the quality to make it work right now, but I wouldn't argue if it idd.
Tbh i disagree. More gamers are rising up against greed than ever now
Remember that the company who acquired gigantic and rereleased it for us is known for their remasters, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they plan on revamping things like responsiveness, graphics, UI, etc
Spoiler.
They didn't.
They are not going to do it and the game is going down the drain the 2nd day of launch, so sad because is an unique and fun game
Wgat r yu tlkn abt 😂@@AVALONXIX
if their plan was to remaster it as you said, they would have done so prior to shipping it. as it stands they only plan on adding competitive and more skins.
@@AVALONXIXhow is the game going down the drain?
I played it as a 1st timer ie having never played the it when it first came out and it was really fun. Most of the stuff besides the bugs didn't really bother me, but even if this was a micro transaction game. Most of these cosmetics suck, only like 1 or 2 woth buying one a few characters.
which characters are you referring to? they’re all pretty well made besides the recolors of course. there just hardly is any skins in general to even think of it as profitable if it was micro transactional.
@@comfortme rutger
Is it weird that I'd kind of like if there were microtransactions to support the game over the course of playing it?
did you buy the game?
Well what they can do it give the option to buy coins but keep everything also as an unlockable like ow1. You can earn skins but lazy ppl will just buy the coins. Which will help the game
I am split between the no mtx. On one hand, I love it. I for one, am sick and tired of BS mtx monetization. But on the other hand, I love Gigantic so much I want it to succeed. So much so that I bought the game five separate times on release. Overall though, I'm so glad that there are no mtx
I'm not gonna lie chief, half of this video was complaints that had nothing to do with gameplay or were so minor the normal player won't care.
Yeah seems like overwatch 2 are paying people to trash this game or something I don’t get all the hate
Have you played the game...Everything he said was spot on.
@@Label07 do you actually care about the frame rate of the main menu? Or do you think the non wide screen support is such a deal breaker it needs to be half the video?
@@uglyheadass1459 lol that's a fun theory. I honestly think that it's just current game reviews have become really jaded. Not to mention algorithm wise being negative is just more profitable at the moment. People are mad at triple A gaming and this is how RUclipsrs profit from it.
@@synthnacho3547 yeah I’m mad at triple A too but I don’t think trashing these games is the way to show that considering if it dies people have to go back to overwatch or call of duty lol. Or just play baldurs gate or another “good game” that’s not in this genre forever until we die. Because the games industry isn’t getting any better….
I honestly think I'll buy it just to support this very very small genre that needs to grow! I'm tired of people calling new games in a small genre a clone of the original. It's like calling Banjo Kazooie a clone of Mario 64... Like absolutely dumb. But what do you expect of people.
I understand that the old players wanted a bit more out of this release. However i never played this game before, and as such im more then happy to get this experiance for me and my friends. Also the fact that the publisher gave this game a secound chance is admirable and i can not blame them not "risking" more money on the line by throwing development hours to the wind. Remember, this game had sinked a dev studio once.
That being sayd im having a lot of fun so im up fir the challenge.
Blizzard Fanboys called battleborn an Overwatch clone too, I think its anything but an overwatch clone but whatever. I hope battleborn comes back next!
It's so funny because Overwatch is a TF2 clone
also pretty sure gigantic was being worked on before Overwatch, in additon to Overwatch team being inspired by Gigantic for certain aspects
@@Sheidowosource?
I'm hoping and praying. I bought Gigantic fiver separate times on release. All in hopes that Gearbox will notice and consider it. Gigantic and Battleborn were actually surprisingly comparable. Unlike either game is to OW. I will always hate blizzard fanboys for killing so many games for no reason.
@@yeetman4953Original Gigantic was being worked on by Motiga since 2012 and released 2016
it was aactually constantly pitched by the former communitey manager to gearbox 2 times a yr
I really want it but im hesitant cause im pretty sure its just gonna shut down again. Its disappointing i live these types of games. Bring back battleborn!
The biggest chance of it shutting down is people not hopping on the hype train now. If you want it, buy it and play it while you can
im in the same boat man i wanna try it but i don't wanna fork over 15 bucks on a uncertain game
@@wilverine5557 I ended up buying it but joining matches has been a pain.
this is exactly why it was a very bad idea to make it a payed game, people won't even try it, and I'm in the same boat.
buy it so it doesn’t use your damn brain
Yeah i agree was hoping they would go harder with bringing it back. Like remaking it on ue5 or at least more content, guess they can add content down the line but i dont know of them commiting to anything. With the art style i would think i could get 144fps at minimum but to hear that the game limits it to 60 as a result of its design is disappointing. They could have brought it back and taken advantage of people being tired of blizzards bs (like me) but still miss that itch that games like OW scratched.
My dream scenario would be this; they re-release this with minor support to keep the competitive aspect going. Maybe a grassroot scene akin to Smash Melee will grow. The devs use the income from Rampage edition to create a team for developing Gigantic 2. A real modern sequel.
I am on massive copium with this. I just want MORE gigantic in the future.
f2p didnt really work last time so why would they try that again waiting on people to mtx to help server coasts and fund new content
Dont like of u generalising problems that only rly are a problem to a small minority. Like more then 60fps.. some super specific resolutions etc.. all that sounds like a need ftom hardtry apex pro player... most people dont care.. not to mention that if u as a PC player have 200hz and fps vs a console guy with 60.. is stupid... and what flick shots?..... which champion needs fkick shots? :D .... this is not valorant
Unable to retrieve stats = loss of progression
A player has declined = infinite matchmaking queue = must restart matchmaking
Authentication Error = can't sign in
60fps was a downer, my PC could easily pull 120
Overwatch made people pay 20 buck for one new mission and then canceled the rest of the story
The biggest complaint I have is there wasn’t an accessibility setting because being able to highlight enemies and allies would help allow them to pop out visually
Good game. I actually prefer the new game mode now. I really hated having to level up and some characters are just way stronger in early levels than others. Also I like the idea that you have to battle for the neutral gather points without having summons that give advantages.
the unkillable bots is NOT a little issue. in every one of my games someone abuses the glitch by leaving and rejoining affectively creating another invincible version of themselves that kills your creatures. this is 100% game breaking so imo the game isnt playable still.
I like the game when I can play it. Matchmaking is absolutely broken right now. Pretty disappointing.
its expected, how you want the mmr to be set when no one played
Biggest problem for a game is not being able to play it like I went about 20-25 imes of the game saying match found just to say someone left like it honestly so confusing and dumb to bait me into believing I’m finding matches and I’m not
I think I went into Gigantic with nostalgia glasses. I was very excited when they revealed they were "updating" the game and re-releasing it. They had those behind the scenes looks that seemed like they were doing a lot of polish, which only fueled the excitement. It was a game that was so fun at the time, but it was competing with other MOBA-like experiences on top of Overwatch in its prime.
Then when they did the closed beta for the Rampage Edition and I spent a few hours in it, a lot of my excitement kinda died.
Maybe it's the exposure to the high polish multiplayer experiences today, or maybe I've just gotten older, but I just couldn't get into it like I wanted to. The impact of hits felt very weak. Combined with a lack of particle/animation clarity (and sound clarity in some cases), it was too easy to get "lost" in the noise of 12 different attacks going off at once and their animations completely obscuring characters and the action itself.
Then you throw in a lot of these other issues you mentioned in the video and the game we received feels discordant with the work and hype they were alluding to with their developer videos.
For such interesting character design and gameplay as it offers, I think it's been dated even more than I remember, and I wish the game got some updates to bring it into a modern era of hero shooters where it could carve out a niche that doesn't have a lot of competition (maybe that's due to lack of interest these days, though?).
I'd love to see Battleborn be given a second chance as well, but I'm scared it'd suffer the same issues as Gigantic.
Wow you hit the nail on the head, I feel the same way as well. I was really excited for the game and I loved a lot of the characters but in game it’s lacking that impact and satisfaction a lot of games I’ve played have. Hell I’m playing and thinking to myself, I want to play Paladins instead
Exactly. I, too, have gone by my nostalgia glasses. I have seen a decent amount of concurrent players, so I bought it. And, the thing is, it's not even about that. I think characterizing the game as being outdated in certain aspects is undermining how incredibly incompetent quality of life features are. it's incredible. Match, tutorial, what's going on... it's all a big mess. And I'm an old player, I KNOW what's going on - more or less. Still, the game does a horrific job at pacing itself and communicating state of the match to players.
When it comes to Battleborn, I don't think it suffers from the same fate, but it does a lot of things incorrectly. Its downfall was sped up by OW, but it wasn't caused by it. Same goes for Gigantic. I have a feeling that the devs are being lead by the sentiment that these games would take off by just existing, but that's not the case. It's incredibly frustrating to see bunch of yes-comments on steam forums and the like. People seem so hung upon being vindicated or one-upping OW or whatever, that they are willing to completely ignore some of the objectively horrendous mechanis and experiences of these games.
Nailed it, get so freaking lost sometimes with all the attack animations. Bleeding edge is better imo
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Oh fuck off gamer plebs love overwatch 2 and it’s complete shit as well as the new battlefields and call of duty’s give other games a chance
Everyone remember if its missing polish or not fully up to date its largely because they took a risk bringing this game back so they put little to know extra funds until they see if there is a want for more
Such a fun game 🎉
Nah I played it when it free so no way in hell will I pay for a moba that was free
Thank you for the non-nostalgia review! I am excited to see if the devs will fix these issues. I don't have a ton of nostalgia for Gigantic so I don't mind waiting and seeing.
Now if they re-released Battleborn, I don't think I could look at it unbiased and I would definitely have nostalgia glasses on.
now they can do battleborn lol
I want it so bad! Those characters were so fun and I personally enjoy first person experiences more. Plus, Gigantic has very fast movement and I'm old and prefer slower (not super slow but not where every character is a sprint/movement monster (looking at Apex)) but more tactical movement.
I'm curious to know more about why they can't upgrade frame rate? Anywhere to find that information?
there is a dev response from a reddiet Q&A from years ago, basically its a side effect from the networking code, where they wanted it to feel as smooth and responsive as possible. Additonally with the gameplay how it is with the skill system it needs a tighter collaboration between the server and client more than usual for an Unreal Engine 3 game and UE3s networking code didn't support more at the time. They did say back then they didnt want to have the 60fps constraint, but it worked for their goals, but wanted to eventually change it but they never got to before the game was shut down and motiga dissolved.
There's a fix being highly liked on steam reviews. I played @144 fps all night and didn't notice any problems with it.
A lot of these games are lacking in character development outside of gameplay. This is a fun game, but what makes these characters unique. What’s a good way to this character relatable.
Why are they getting these monsters to attack. It’s missing the flavor.
I’d rather eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch than eat Brand flakes. I feel like this is what this game is. It’s cool, but after a while, what’s next.
I never ever had heard about Gigantic. Epic Games gave it for free and that's how I got to know it. I seriously don't know how it's a nostalgia for everyone. I got to know about it today
60 fps
I have some of the same issues you have and im in the same boat this game isnt gonna stick because of thses issues and the devs most likely arent gonna bring the game back fully 20 dollar entry fee with no monetization to fund future development makes me think that unless this game blew up like other games have recently the plug is just gonna be pulled in a year
It's a shame that ppl actually like a game with micros in it so the devs "support it" why don't we support this game and just have fun?
This game always felt like a blend between battleborne and smite, great game definitely want an update though balance needs to be addressed
The 60 fps rlly is not even noticable and I usually play games on like 150
Your eyes can't see over 60fps anyways. Stable 60fps is what matters
@@GeneralGladerious This is a lie I've seen perpetuated for years now. If you put a 60 HZ monitor right next to a 144 HZ monitor you can 100% tell the difference. I literally went from a monitor that was 60 HZ (aka won't see over 60 FPS) to a 144 HZ monitor (won't see over 144) and I immediately could tell the difference. So much so that, a year after I got it for the longest time, after playing games in 144 fps, going back to 60 FPS actually felt like the game was slow.
Legitimately the only way you'll probably believe me, is if you genuinely get yourself at least a 144 hz monitor and run higher frames. You will notice a massive difference in smoothness, and it'll feel better and hell in FPSs it is essentially VITAL to have higher FPS as higher FPS = way easier to actually land shots.
it does look fun. But yeah, considering that I have to spend 15 dollar and the the game may be dead after a couple of month doesn't sit well with me. In addition, since this game is an old game, I got a feeling like once i try it, i will just constantly get folded by beta-player. Which is fine for me with any other game but then again, If it will really be a short live game then I got a feeling like by the time, i master 1 character, the game be dead. So for me, I will just wait and see if thsi game will survive.
edit: for me, this just felt like a cash grab from publisher. Especially with how i dont see how a multiplayer game in modern day could survive without going free-to-play.
“Overwatch clone” ☝️ that is exactly why it died. People today have no idea the struggles this game was fighting against, overwatch being a shell of what it once was will give this game a huge advantage now, 20$ no stupid micro transactions, easy to play hard to master, tons of cool free skins to collect. It’s perfectly fine and I’ve been gaming hard on it
Nah, F2P with micro transaction skins would keep the game alive long enough to fix everything. As it stands, a game like this will see its player base collapse (already has), and the company wont be able to cover the costs of keeping the servers running. It'll be gone again because of their decisions on this.
the reason is that game dev don'T make beta testing for rush server anymore...
game are rushed into the market instead and server stress test is actually that ...
normally games would make an open beta free for all to test the server... AND then if the server hold launch the game or fix the issues and delay the launch by few days...
but since players don'T care anymore either about playing early access... welll that's the result of lowering the expectation bar...
It died as soon as they released it and no one could play a game.
What a wonderful review! Thanks for such a comprehensive overview of both good and bad in its current state, even though You love the game, You us the reality of it. Hope the queue issues will get updated soon.
I was exited to buy it until I heard it's locked to 60 fps.
I mean you cant expect everything in the game to peopl 100% free and also want new content there is 0 reason to make more content if you make no money from more then the box price it self . Its back for the community not to.compeat in the market for that you need cash
About the server thing: This is just a thing that's ALWAYS affected games. Idk why we focus on it in 2024. And people act like servers have a "get more duh" fix. They obviously weren't expecting player counts as high as they were
There are not even 10k players, how can you have problems with 10k on 2024
The game is very fun when it works. But let’s be serious…these severs are almost non functional. I had to literally pull my PS5 cord because the game got stuck in an infinite loading loop with no way to close. Not to mention the matchmaking is terrible. I’m an original Battleborn fan so I want to love this game, but I can barely play. I’m not going for the whole servers will get better thing. Predecessor is not having these problems. I’m just tired of the same old hype.
@@jwill6495 I played for hours today and it was fine so it send to be doing better
@@jwill6495 yeah Predecessor was build from scratch and is working perfectly since his day 1 release, how is that Gigantic came almost the same whole game and had those big issues
@@elxjasonxThat was just on pc. It's on consoles too. Name one online game that didn't have server issues at launch.
I am so happy Gigantic is back. I loved this game and was sad when it was shut down. The style and characters are so amazing. Please let’s keep this game alive.
I want to play this game, but I am in OCE. Playing fast paced online games like this is difficult to enjoy when your ping sits at 200+
Not being a free game kills the game for me. I won't be able to convince anyone I know to play this. The moment I found it costed any money at all killed it for me. Shame.
It's back a deader than ever 💀
How is this game gonna survive with no micro transactions? Just curious.
I wish that the sole presence of mtx didnt have such a stain on games now. Mtx have been around forever & I think the hate on em has the opposite effect that players intend it to have. If they hinder the game I understand the hate but just because a game has mtx doesnt automatically turn me off
the 60 fps cap on a skill based fast pace combo oriented combat is insane to me. it's like putting a speed limit on f1 race. it might kill this games if it's not changed.
Higher frames aren’t really needed in a moba though? Makes sense for an FPS. Either way I’m having fun and not noticing the frames tbh.
Ok the game dies then and go back to overwatch 2 yay problem solved
@@OzoneGamerStationI swear there’s bots from the other moba games trying to trash the game when it’s fun and isn’t meant to be league of legends style competitive
There's a fix. Should be on front page of steam reviews. Now we'll see if this devs patch it out. I worry they may do that cause of console plebs stuck at 60 but it would be a massive mistake. The frame uncap fix will likely keep the game alive on pc.
I love the game end am having fun with it is old but it make fill different the other games
The lack of monetization is a little concerning for the longterm
Dose the game have crossplay
Omg.. that's what happend it was an unkillable bot wtf
I remembered i always wanted to play this back in 2017 I'll happily give it a shot
I'm genuinely curious how a 10 bucks game with no microtransaction can survive...
Lethal company had a massive success though not sure on its longevity
Game is dead again. Refunded it as I could not find players
I can’t even play it lol I bought it and been trynna play for over 2 hours, just been searching endlessly and with crossplay on someone either leaves before the match forms forcing a new lobby que or I get far enough to pick my character and someone backs out last min so that’s fun..
Should have been a free to play game tbh.
Also it doesn't have enough characters for now.
I wanna try. But i just don't know if its for me. And since its not free to we dont know how much it will be updated...
Battleborn died because it was compared to Overwatch....
i wanna play this game but it's gonna get hsutdown
Its crazy how players are so hesitant to drop 15$ on a game that will give you hours of fun, and even better with friends but no problem ordering Doordash. So what if it doesn't become the next big game of all time, its 15-20 bucks worth of GOOD GAME.
Well, Dota 2 was not always free to play for example. And I think its pretty understandable for a game which only getting released etc. After getting enough attention, it becomes free to play
they literally said why they didn’t make it f2p
It is NOT disappointing. If you played the first one and loved it like me, it is not a problem spending money on the game. It seems like everything from the first game is still there so let’s enjoy it and spread the word
Personally think that the game is gonna die off slowly thanks to other moba's becoming f2p and also feeling like its 2 little too late for them to recover.
I could be heavily wrong soo i am hoping to be wrong....
I did the thing where I commented before watching the video. Thank you for bringing up often not considered issues like Ultrawide and servers as an OCE player! I understand the economics of the server issue but I really wanted to support this project and I just can't with unplayable ping and stupid design decisions like no 21:9+ support
well said, as i loved the first time it was released like 5 years ago or something? I still dont see ANY CHANGE this time. It feels indeed as a bringback, pay for it. and let it die whitin a couple of weeks or months. Sigh... it was a good game though.
Really glad they brought it back, but honestly, even though I like the fact that there's no micro-transactions, the initial purchase fee for a multiplayer-only game is what's holding me back. If the community keeps going strong, I might pick it up, but after the original version got shut down, I'm very cautious of buying a game where I won't be able to find a match/play it at all in a few months.
We need a bigger playerbase!!!
A game does not always need super high ultra graphic FPS nonsense to be great tho 😐
2:04 Lebron James caught using gaze of envy on enemy under the effects of cursed soul
Why didn't they just go for the LoL model?? This isn't gonna survive long term lol
Why are yall complaining im happy its back and that its gonna get new content 😭
Constantly have to force close in order for it to get past load screen. Rest of my complaints are probably skill issue tho
Game is bugged fr
Skill leveling reminds me of heroes of the storm and I loved that
The game is unplayable
This video could’ve been half as long without the waffling
it has nearly no moba parts....why is everyone saying this
its just a thrid person moba with the main emphasis on movement and aiming
@@yeetman4953 a moba has laning with creeps + item builds and a pool or crystall as smth you can destroy. In gigantic there is nothing - only the pool thing but even this is different because you can effect the events - clash or turn it to def etc.
@@flixfeliks would you call it a third person hero fighter?
I miss battleborn
itd be cool if i could play the game. the q is horrible
No oce. No modernisation = no deal.
I really liked what you mentioned about the future of Gigantic, and I totally agree. I feel the same way.
So the major criticism is that PC master race tin foil hatters can't play the cartoony FPS at 240? You're trying to milk engagement atp, this is not even an issue normally, not even for gameplay reasons.
You’d be surprised how many people are bitching about the 60FPS lock. PC gamers sound spoiled as fuck when they complain about these kind of things especially considering this isn’t a game that necessarily needs more than 60FPS to work…
@@akilreid9476 For several years I almost exclusively played games at 120-144 FPS. Then I had to play some games at 60 FPS and I shit you not I got headaches and nauseous after a bit. It was miserable. Took me nearly half a year to actually properly readjust back down to 60 FPS. I'm fairly certain this will be the case for some people, though I'm pretty sure most people just want higher FPS because higher FPS = way easier to hit targets.
they have fixed most of the connection bugts right now
Marcel Rivals it is then... even though I distrust NetEase
weird compliment but you have a really nice voice
My biggest issue isnt anything listed but the player base for me, I found out through a stream of a really good player that there were private betas for years so a lot of the player base isn't actually new at all. If I had known this sooner I wouldn't have even considered purchasing, for whats its worth I'm trying my best to have fun even though I'm rolled almost every game, it gets a bit disheartening. Also if you're on the losing team, expect toxicity as usual to add to the disheartening side of the game. Also you pointed out the UI which I noticed almost immediately, I feel the UI is in locked 30, the animations are janky. I would like to see some form of equal and fairer matchmaking in the future and maybe an upgrade to ue4 maybe even 5?
Who tf cares. Does losing make you cry? Grow some back bone. I get rocked sometimes too but idgaf. Every death is a learning experience. There's also a comp system coming I which the whole point of it is to play with people at your skill level.
I jumped into quake as a new player with quake veterans who've been fragging for 25 years. Still don't gaf and still have fun.
Can’t find matches T-T
its free in epic
This game really reminds me of battleborn
Best moba game everrr
Wow I forgot about this game completely.
I dont wana be pc elisted then does for like 10 mins 😅😅😅
Crazy isn’t it.
Mmm bot gonna spend money on a game that is gonna die on 2 months
looks like third person battleborn. never played this before or heard of it. are there minions or is it just actual enemy people
in the clash gamemode there are control points where the players summon Creatures that gather power for the team. Both teams summon, but outside of that it is PvP exclusively. You can select before each game which creatures you want to be able to summon so there is strategy for what you bring to the team along with your own playstyle and role you fill for the team.
I payed for the founders pack which cost 30$ 7 years ago to then get it cancelled and wasting my time and money and now I have to pay 20$ so just this is a hard pass.
I get your salty but the problem is the people who owned the game and made those decisions that made you lose your money or not the people who own the game now. The owner of the IP and the developers who are working on it are completely different people.
That's like if a person at a store did you wrong and then years later after that person has moved on with their life and don't even work there anymore. You're still mad at the store even though no one is there anymore who even remembers what happened because they weren't there when it happened.
But your life is not my life. Hold on to your unjustified grudge.
@@Grimjr7 its the same IP, is not a remake or anything is the same game, same game I invested on. Is like league of legends, i've spent a lot of money on it, but if they shut down and then open the game years later under a different company instead of RIOT games is now RITO games and the assets remain the same, you not getting me twice. This is me being salty against product makers not the store.
@@themobiusquadronim sorry that in the last 6 years you haven't made $20, that sounds like a real struggle.
@@tigerfalco helldivers 2 was a better investment. 20 bucks better spent someplace else. Will see how the game state will be in a few months and if it's discounted price. Plus let's see how much anti cheat will function
main issue was ue3 being hard af to work with
It’s capped at 60 probably because there’s crossplay between old gen. 60 is a fair frame rate imo
I agree but sadly many people are not able to play the game because 60 fps gives them a massive headache after 1 or 2 rush games. I have a friend that really enjoyed the game but refunded it because he felt sick after. It's a massive oversight
pc have mouse and keyboard either way and it's a bigger advantage than having +100fps.
I was thinking on upgrading from 140hz to 240hz or even more so the 60fps cap really bother me