You're the man. So humanising to see how you've overcome your insecurity. Didn't expect to see that in this sort of video, but it feels good to see it. Your channel is awesome
I haven’t considered a Panasonic TV for gaming for years and have always gone with LG and Samsung. It’s good to see Panasonic making their TV’s so gamer friendly now.
@Mat Sci Not enough market, and premium price tag made them not so appealing anymore. Also Samsung and other TV-s have much more apepaling factory picture quality settings that are not color accurate but people like more. They are better at this game than Panasonic.
I always use warm2 for all content. Every other colour temperature looks too blue to me. Once you get used to it, everything else looks wrong and too blue. It's great to see another video from you about gaming
I have a Sony x90j and a s95b. Sony come with a very accurate dolby vision and the only thing that makes my s95b look as good (color accuracy wise) is warm 2 on film maker mode.
That guy seems moronic to me, I enjoy the knowledge that hddtv provides as an expert, even though I may not find the accurate picture settings as enjoyable sometimes. Everyone should just enjoy their TV with whatever settings they enjoy the most.
Wait a minute... I was waiting for some real advantage based reasons why color accuracy is important in games, but instead its just an ad for Panasonics low latency mode. Nice one.
Colour accuracy matters a lot. In lockdown i played Uncharted 4 on a flagship Samsung Q90R QLED. It was good. But then i replayed the game on a flagship Panasonic DX902 which has calibrated picture modes and is accurate, and the difference was night and day. Playing it on the Panasonic just blew me away. Even the HDR was far better even though the Panasonic is only 1200 Nits and the Samsung is supposed to be 2000 Nits. And the Panasonic was 4yrs older.
@@ThePipojp No. Vincent even says the Q90R can't be fully calibrated. You can get some of the way there but I'd you want accuracy you want Panasonic, LG and Sony.
@@rijjhb9467 They make a wide range for all price points. Basically flood the market so there is something for everyone. And when it comes to high end many gamers don't want to risk burn in. Samsung flagship have been poor for the last 3 or 4yrs but this year's are well done. I've got the QN90B NEO QLED here and it's pretty good.
This felt more like a ad for the Panasonic tv. Regardless setting your tv up to meet D65 is so important. If your color temp setting is in cool or normal/neutral. Your doing yourself a hug disservice. Warm is what your supposed to be set to. Some sets have multiple warm settings so check rtings for your tv best warm setting. On Sony tvs it’s usually Warm2
Rtings are very sloppy these days. They give wrong information, don't test certain things etc. I've seen them correct themselves after being called out by the public.
I wish Panasonic was still in the US market. I have one of their CRTs that my dad bought in the 90s and it still works. Very reliable TV brand from my experience
There is a Panasonic CRT TV in my family too. Has been going strong for 20+ years of DAILY, HOURS LONG use. I mean, this TV has been there since I remember myself, and I am 27 :) Well, it shows some signs of wear (screen borders seem to be a bit off, such stuff...), but other than that - a good TV.
Funny. European here. Wanted to buy Samsung's 32inch 4k TV. Turns out it's a USA exclusive. :P In fact, there are no 32inch 4k TVs in Europe. Just monitors. TVs only have 720p and 1080p @32 inches. And there are still more 720p 32 inchers.
I'm just an 18 year old tech interested person and I don't always understand everything that's mentioned and I also don't have the budget to achieve the "greatest/most accurate" results but I really enjoy watching Vincent's videos and learning more about tech than just hardware and it's nice to see someone so calm and humane on RUclips combined with great humour.. and also Vincent plays or at least mentions the horizon series so that's always a +
I never used any sort of warm color temp until I started watching this channel, now I'd never go back. Like others have said once you get used to warmer colors the cool setting just looks too blue and harsh.
Admittedly, I don't game on tvs these days, but it was always strange to me, to see people not realize how important color accuracy is to the (functionality/playability-wise, far more important than color accuracy itself) contrast of a game's visuals. I spent an hour or so 'by sight' calibrating a large HDTV for a relative (FTR, I used an old reference sheet designed for LCD monitors as a baseline for getting reasonable color and brightness balances. I wasn't aiming for perfect, I was aiming for 'significantly better than stock 3rd-tier manufacturer preset gaming mode'), and had them call me two days later calling me a wizard, because they decided to play shooters again, and were shocked at how much better they were doing, claiming the silhouettes 'popped' now and were far more visible.
Color is essential in gaming, especially when playing 3A titles, creators spend a long to create realistic open words, and others create cinematic-like experiences. While we target Real-time Ray Tracing and other graphics performance but in reality, the display performance has a much more significant impact than most gamers think.
yeah, a good display can be a much greater visual upgrade than a new gpu to crank settings to max. but that's not really tightly tied to color accuracy. it's more general display performance. contrast, brightness, that stuff. as long as you're not crushing and oversaturating everything to hell, there's quite a bit of a leeway in color temperature for a good experience.
It's so good and if you get a resolution upgrade too then games will look as if they're modded. Even GTA V looked pretty close to reality for a 2013 game when I switched to a good IPS panel from a TN one that had the color vibrance setting maxed out since the default was really awful.
@@Azraenore After buying a MacBook, I can't stand my old PC monitor. I can literally see the individual pixels on every image, and colours looks incredibly washed out. I can't believe I've been missing out this whole time...
Claiming you need to have it is subjective. Plenty of people play on crappy TV's from the early 2010's and are just happy they can play games on a screen.
Since I purchased my first Oled screen (Lg c9) and paired it with my PS5 your videos have been perfect when it comes to the BEST settings to use in order to have the best experience. Games have never looked better and I'm constantly amazed every time I boot up the console of how jaw dropping everything looks. You the man Vincent! Keep it up
I totally agree with Vincent. Accuracy is one of the most important things in gaming. Reminds me of comedian Ken Suzuki, lol. Making it hard for me to justify getting a 42-in Sony A90K. These Panasonics look amazing.
Which is why I only play certain games on my LG C1. Doesn't give the game proper justice. For casual e-sport games, I don't care about the color as much although my VA display is calibrated.
Sony and Panasonic make the best tvs for accuracy and Picture quality period in the world. Either tv you buy will be amazing especially a master series tv from Sony. The two brands always go head to head at any shoot out and it’s literally down to the wire by so little points difference for final scores. This year the A95k won best tv which is a master series as well, even in Vincent’s test the A95k was the best tv. So I think both brands are amazing and you can’t go wrong with best from either of those brands. No regrets needed at all
@@lvproductionsinc9748 Nah, especially a flagship TV from Panasonic. Sony is not as accurate as Panasonic. Doesn't mean it was the most accurate. lmao. See the logic. They include many more things other than accuracy and Panasonic LZ2000 is the most accurate TV on the planet.
Couldn’t agree more with @vincent. I’ve tried many tv’s but nothing comes close to Panasonic in game mode. Especially the colours, you can use different picture modes because of how they implemented game mode. Especially the picture quality👍🏻.
I don’t like the way my tv looks with all of your recommended settings but I usually use your recommendations as a base and then adjust until Im happy. No reason to tell you that you’re wrong. Ultimately I can enjoy the TV how I want, idk why people can’t just do the same lmao
I had my oled calibrated. Never again. So called experts (cult leaders) and their standards do not really align with gaming art or escapism.. These are not people who play games. They’re stuck with one scenario - you either have to live in a pitch black mancave and isolate yourself from the rest of people you’re living with or you end up with a dim, boring piss filter. I don’t want a gaming filmmaker. It’s not a movie. Try playing competitive with this HGIG bullshit during the day in a normal room. This purism is just ridiculous and these so called professionals are not working to please the customer, but for their obsessives dogmas and feeding their elitist ego.
Even game developers develop on a calibrated monitor. Calibration IS a standard. There’s also nothing wrong with over-saturating things to taste. That’s the beauty of having choices in TV settings IMO
People's taste can be shit. Having taste for something doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing. If you oversaturate your colors and see Morgan Freeman's skin looking like neon Red, you've royally fucked up. 😂😂😂👎👎👎
He's right. A properly calibrated image can change the whole atmosphere of a game. I've recently gone from playing the PS5 on a Samsung NEO QLED to a Panasonic OLED and there is a big difference. Playing the same games looks and feels totally different on both TVs. Once you get everything looking as intended the games really shine.
@@ThePipojp No their not. Watch Vincent's videos on them. The fact that on Samsungs dynamic tone mapping can't be turned off means you won't get a fully accurate image. And the menus on Samsungs are very bare bones for calibration. Panasonic menus are very very in depth, an AV geeks wet dream. You can tinker with everything on a Panasonic. There is a reason why Samsung TVs never win calibrators TV shootouts each year.
@@Matty_UK The S95B came second in the last shootout though, didn't It? I know It's QD OLED, but It also had poor calibration and Samsung fixed It after backlash. Besides, rtings tests them for accuracy, and they are close enough so that the average consumer can't tell the difference. Granted, this doesn't go for all of their TVs, but the QN90B and the S95B both are quite accurate. Panasonic does offer more options in terms of accuracy than either Samsung or LG, but to say that It makes that huge of a difference when we are talking about a difference that comes down to quite low Delta E is misleading. Unless you have a reference monitor side by side you won't be able to tell that a Panasonic is more accurate than a properly calibrated flagship Samsung or LG.
You were so right Vincent. I'm now on warm 50 in game settings on my C2. All my favorite games now look much more natural and better. Thanks very much!
This channel is criminally underrated. I found you when searching for OLED gaming monitors, I'll be looking forward to a review of the LG 27GR95QE-B that you recently presented. The pixel density offered by the smaller form factor is very appealing. I had an idea to try some of the cheaper sub 17" displays offered on Amazon and rigging up a solution to get them very close to my face to bring them near the 'retina' standard but I suspect the input lag may not be optimal, do you have any thoughts on that?
Don't have any plans to replace my CX yet, but I hope Panasonic keeps up the good work because I'm leaning more and more towards them for next display.
@@volchonokilliR From what I've seen, it seems like Panasonic does great work in getting the best possible picture quality out of these panels. I'd probably go for either them or Sony if I had any budget and was looking for a new display right now. Especially now that gaming features like 4k120 hdmi 2.1 and vrr support aren't lagging behind as much.
If you get used to a calibrated picture it is hard t go back. All look like it should. If you have no idea, an easy and good way (without colorimeter) to come closer to a neutral picture is to copy SDR 1.Filmmaker (or 2. Movie / Night if there is no Filmmaker) Values into SDR Game Mode (u notice it with Gamma at 2.2 or BT1886 / 2.4) & HDR Filmmaker Values into Game HDR (u notice it with ST.2084 or if gamma is greyed out). But reset Filmmaker / Movie Night before, if you are not sure, u have changed them before. And maybe highering the Backlight / OLED Light a bit for SDR game mode, but i would not go too bright, if it is not needed. Only HDR needs the full Backlight / OLED Light, because it is absolute and the Creator desice, how bright or dim a scene is. I measured my Nintendo Switch (LED) V2 and it is calibrated to D65 very accurate in terms of colors and color tones. EOTF is not perfect but avg of 2.22. But i think some of the V1 Switchs are D75 and also the Switch Lite is D75~ i think. Maybe for outdoor usage. Can´t speak for the OLED because never saw them in person. But i´m happy that my Switch is accurate to have an identic look to my calibrated TV.
I applaud you for this video. Like I applaud you for all your content, and amazing advice. This is something that I’ve been trying to explain for a long time, to so many people, who are ignorant. I just can’t afford the gear needed to prove my point. It not worth it anyways. I made a LG CX settings video for gaming awhile back. I got the same type of comments, and personal attacks for recommending a D65 white point, and targeting the industry standard. It’s just crazy to me that so many people are so twisted on this subject. I mean, I get everyone has different vision, and color blind issues (cough, cough QTV). But it’s not piss warm white lmfao. D65 is aiming to replicate natural light. If a creator/colorist wants a cooler look for the movie, or scene, they’ll make that happen in the content, while at a D65 white point. If they want something to look warm, it’ll look warm. It why the grade content lol. This argument just makes my mind spin. Anyways, after that..I honestly gave up on recommending settings. I want to do a C2 settings video, just for the fun of it, and to help others; but I just don’t feel like explaining the importance of standards and why they’re important, as well as calibrating to the standards, to all the people who are going to ignorantly disagree. I’m not saying you have to abide by the standards to a absolute T, but getting as close as possible, using the correct color space, color temp, etc, is really important. It’s truly the only way you’re going to feel true realism and immersion. Luminance can always be adjusted to taste, and ambient lighting conditions..there’s dark and bright room modes for a reason, though content is always best enjoyed in the dark, imho. And don’t even get me started on HDR, and all the “nit wits” out there, who don’t understand a damn thing about it, and like to claim SDR is superior, and HDR is a scam lol. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve argued with about HGiG, or tracking PQ EOTF. I feel like 95% of people I talk to, don’t understand it. I get liking a brighter picture, but it always comes at a cost. There is always give and take, when deviating. You give up depth, for “pop”. You’ll lost detail as well, and also possibly exaggerate detail, that shouldn’t be seen. For instance, making film grain more obvious. Lifting shadows, and washing them out, etc. HDR is supposed to be dark. It’s hit lower luminance levels, as well as higher. Dynamic range…but they always whine about HDR being dim..most likely not understanding HDR is for dark environments. Like theaters. And if there’s some ambient light, us things like DTM, and DoVI IQ/Precision, etc. But again, that comes at a cost, and often looks worse, due to clipping of highlight, and constant luminance changes, depending on how you set it up. Last, I just wanna say that I used to be a vivid mode fool. That was when I was a literally a kid tho, and knew nothing about display tech, colors, etc. If YT and this channel was around back then, I probably would of been in the comments arguing haha. My whole world changed when I learned what a calibrated display looks like. I mean, I wonder how many iPhone users are watching this, and saying they don’t want piss yellow whites, while typing/watching it on a D65 display (if TruTone is off). I truly wonder…I also wonder how many of these commenters, actually let their eyes adjust to D65…granted their display was even close to D65 at warm2. I know I can say for a fact that my CX and C2 were both too cool at warm2/w50. The CX more so. The C2 was actually pretty damn good OOTB. I doubt I would of never noticed, if I didn’t come from a calibrated display 😉 Anyways…I’m finished writing my book. I just truly wanna say thank you, for everything you have taught me, the amazing content, and for always being honest.
As a seasoned user of Reshade for PC gaming 8 can confirm that having color accurate monitors is a must. I'm genuinely tired of the way most new games look, still being held back by compatibility with old tvs and having terrible flat color and dynamic range. Everything looks so washed out.
That’s both funny and wholesome that you used to airbrush your face 😂 Very relatable! I think your sense of humour and passion for what you do far outweigh any advantage in the looks department. I think being ultra-good-looking is like being a billionaire, you never know if your friends just like you for your looks/money. Not that I would know 😂
So glad u got rid of your insecurities. At the end of the day that never mattered. Your are the go to channel to get my info on TV tech. You are mainly why I got my c1 at the time. Thanks for all the content!
Thank you - finally! All the gaming features in the world don't mean much when the colors suck in game mode and there's barely a way to correct them. I hope you will lean strongly into this in future reviews when evaluating the gaming chops of a TV. (And also that a 5-way HDMI 2.1 splitter will finally be available until your next best-of-year blind test shoot-out :) )
Because of you, I actually set my 85 inch TV to the correct "warm" color setting, disabled all enhanced picture settings and removed sharpening for all my inputs and channels to get an accurate picture 😂
Yup, it’s very important. I don’t buy any gaming monitor unless it’s at least somewhat close to accurate out of the box. I recommend anyone interested in accurate colours checkout Rtings for monitor reviews. Most monitors with the fastest response times have poor colours. Most monitors with accurate colours are not suited for competitive gaming in terms of response time/input delay. However, there’s a small amount of gaming monitors that exist in both realms - having both accurate colours and fast response time/high refresh rate. Well worth the money to buy a gaming monitor that does it all with little compromise.
As a hobby photographer and love gaming! Yes it is very important to calibrate your monitor! For gaming, yes you have to unfortunately by your self a expensive monitor! But it makes a huge difference, and you are gaining FPS.
I mostly play games on CRTs, where you often cannot achieve perfect calibration. My CRT friends and I had a saying, "Disregard calibration, acquire nice". I do try to achieve proper calibration on my LCD TV still though.
Panasonic should spend a bit more on their advertising budget like this. They have great TVs but not many people consider Panasonic as an option for OLEDs. (This is only an issue for their TVs. Most of their other electronic items have a very good reputation already)
Man this is so true. It's kinda sad to see in markets were Panasonic OLED tvs are wide available gamers still prefering brands like LG or Samsung. And especially in recent years when Panasonic has improved so much in the gaming front (they were always the best for movies). But i think in an age where the technology media are being dominated by NA channels (where Panasonic has no presence at all),this affects and hurts their marketing presence in Europe as well.
LG C1 or C2 are still the only great choice for budget-conscious and hardcore gamers. 4 HDMI 2.1 ports so you can have E-ARC and multiple 2.1 devices, GSync\VRR and ALLM. Color accuracy is phenomenal after calibration as well (yes having it out of the box is better)
Just a heads up to any gamers considering getting a Panasonic TV, they don't have G-Sync. A Philips or LG TV would probably give u a slightly better gaming experience
I don't understand all of the technical color stuff, but I love your videos. Now I automatically mess with settings with new TV's even when they aren't mine. My next step is probably getting some equipment 😂. I've learned to look at movies differently as well. Spotting things like cloth texture and skin pores that I didn't really pay much attention to before. But that hasn't carried over to RUclips as I have no idea what you would airbrush out. We all worry about stupid stuff nobody else notices.
Once I set my LG G1 to game mode, I knew something was wrong right out of the box. Everything definitely looked too blue. I tried to set the color gamut to "natural", but again, something was off. Mario's hat was way too red, and the colors in my NES did not look like how I remembered. I tried looking through the Expert Bright" picture setting, and found what was different. That damn white balance! I slammed that thing down to warm 50, and couldn't be happier with the result. But its nice to know that there are tvs out there that are accurate right out of the box. Mine just wasn't one of them.
The thing is, I found a deal for an LG 42 C2 for as low as 750€, while the 42 Panasonic costs 1499€. No one can tell me that it's actually double the TV that the C2 is.
Another great video and really was amazing to hear your journey in overcoming your insecurities - I hope you can be proud of yourself for being so open about it now . I do wonder where Sony’s game mode falls on that skin tone colour line - just started horizon forbidden on west on my X95J and I was more blown away than I expected to be at the skin tones
panasonic is very nice and I hope they will release a QD Oled next year with the latest mediatek chipset. That being said. LG dan also be set very easily to a accurate picture mode while gaming. Just relabel the HDMI port to "PC" and switch to "Expert dark" for SDR and "Cinema" for HDR. Done. if you use the streaming apps on your tv instead of your console or PC (which you always should) you don't have to switch back.
The problem with built-in streaming apps is that they don't get long-term priority updates vs dedicated devices like Roku, Fire Stick, Apple TV, game consoles, etc.
Is the quality better or more accurate image on built in app vs Xbox app. I just don’t want to slow down my tv by having all these programs running all the time.
It would be great if other manufacturers like LG, Samsung etc. wouldn't enable all kinds of filters like sharpening and cool colors in Game Mode. It's crazy that out of the box, only Panasonic has more or less okay defaults.
Fully on board with the message... a standard for white point is crucial. Am curious though, how do you white balance the camera that films the displays? 6500k? What about green/magenta axis? A further question, if you do in fact rate the camera at 6500k (and assuming green/mag is set correctly), does your camera’s recording of the display’s D65 white point reproduce true white ie. equal RGB pixel values? Or would this depend on a display’s emissive characteristics?
If you shoot in RAW you can calibrate the white point after you shoot the video by first shooting a reference white board and then grade that board to a correct white point. In other cameras you can simply select reference white.
i absolutely agree! the video output from a game is no different than the video output from a movie... all are subject to inaccurate color reproduction in a poorly calibrated panel and that's why I don't bother using Game Mode... there is no significant difference in lag anyway, and I can live with the 48ms lag
As far as I can tell Game Mode on most TV's just disables a bunch of settings you could disable yourself anyways, it's just a quick shortcut to disable them all with a single toggle. The downside is that it also grays out the settings so you can't then re-enable specific settings you desire. So what I end up doing is just reconfiguring one of the presets to my ideal configuration for gaming and set the TV to that mode when gaming, instead of using Gaming Mode.
So every person, and there are tons on RUclips that recommend using game mode to reduce input lag, you are saying that is false? Do you have proof of this inaccuracy?
@@Nicholas_Steel yeah thisb is what I see with my ancient LG OLED E6 i'm sure there's still a difference for those hardcore into online multiplayer or twitch games, but there's always CRTs for them
You can definitely feel a difference in input lag. When I first ever found out about game mode and switched to it, it was a night and day difference. I had no idea it was supposed to reduce input lag but I could feel it instantly and never switched back. I was only playing LA Noire which is a single player game, so nothing fast paced, but it's still very noticeable. This was on an older tv too.
HDR seemed to throw accuracy right out the window by its introduction. Nobody creating content can really predict how on earth the display is going to modify the color, contrast and brightness to fit it on each display, and they can't even know what the display is capable of. Throw in things like dynamic tone mapping and it's even more all over the place from one moment to the next on the same display. It's quite strange that we ended up here, all so that cheap displays that can't really do HDR can be called "HDR" and be given a higher price tag than the should have.
Yeah HDR could have been much better if only it had just a few more standards built in. Say, the brightness limits of the TV being part of its EDID (or something equivalent), and all video sources having three tonemapping methods with fully defined standardized algorithms: static, dynamic and none (aka hardclipping, aka hgig).
Color accuracy doesn't matter in most media for one simple reason: perception is subjective. might be "accurate", but it's not what I'm in the mood for.
If I repeat the games that I love or play games that needed daily grind, that is when I need it color accurate or not below average, to keep me intrigued and in love with the game. Just like movies, if I watch a very good movie, it doesn't matter if it's only 1080p and none HDR, I'm still at the edge of my seat constantly during the first watch. But when I rewatch it, it better be Hi Res HDR to re admire the beauty of the world. Though I prefer already at the best quality during the first watch if the movie is spectacular.
Precise accuracy is not important. A blue tint is noticeable and should be eyeballed corrected. I personally leave my monitor slightly warm and I can see it on white background. Can't go wrong with warm and cozy.
@@JoShUa95160 Thanks for the reply! A praise to Panasonic and Sony must be done, I hope that as early as next year we will be able to have 4 hdmi 2.1 ports
I don't know why Panasonic decided to stop selling their TVs in the US. There are plenty of us who would love to own a Panasonic OLED. I still have my 2009 65" Panasonic Plasma TV.
M8, remember to Think about fps games. Often your settings makes games very Dark. Maybe it is fine for some games, but fps games you dont want this. Then it Will be hard to see enemies in dark areas
the video is interesting, but it didn't explain why i "need" accurate colors. are the colors on my screen accurate? i have no idea, but i like the way it looks, so why exactly do i "need" it to be accurate?
Been gaming on warm 50 for last few years and would never go back. Accuracy gives the best natural and balanced look to any content. Certain games that have eerie atmospheres can be completely ruined by an overly blue and contrasty look particularly I find.
Every time I try recommended settings by those so called pro.. I just got an ultra dark and yellow picture, absolutely horrible looking. Nerds on internet always say '' UhUhUh YoU NEed TOo AdApt For WeEkS To eNjOy '' or '' uHuhUH YoU ArE JusT UseD tO OvErSaTuRAtEd BlUe cOlORs ''. But in fact, I try the warm 2 for 2 weeks, and then I just put back normal again and BOOM everything was looking 10 times better.. without the need to '' adapt for weeks ''. I try to show the difference to friends and family and they ALL say, normal is just way better. And no, the colors are NOT oversaturated at all. I know what oversaturated looks like, and my lg cx oled don't have those AT ALL on standard / game mode. Sorry but your settings are just wrong. Those TV are already calibrated by pro, there is no need to disable every settings and put a yellow piss filterover the picture to then say '' ItS sO aCCuRaTe '' when, in fact, it's just yellow. And no, I don't know better than Vincent, I just give my experience and the experience of everybody around me.. no need to be a so called pro to know what is looking better or not. In fact, pro are mostly biased because they are referring to numbers and all instead of just LOOKING at the picture.
Great video. LG C1 definitely has slightly too blue picture in game optimizer mode, but you can adjust it. Another equally important thing that most people don't care about is audio quality. The most popular gaming headsets have only decent but quite inaccurate sounds. I bought DT770 80ohm headphones with a headphone amplifier and the difference in accuracy and how epic everything feels like is like the difference between SDR and HDR
Most will tell you "onboard good enough" lmao. Personally I have dt990 pro 250ohms with sound blaster AE-7 I love the customization of creative sound cards, like with my old logitech z906 or my new 7.1 sound bar with rear speakers it takes stereo and gives it a virtual surround effect so its like the sports game is in surround which is much better than only getting sound from left/right speakers. I got a z490 unify which has one of the better onboard sound and its awful compared to my ae-7 but one thing with ae-7 is the out of the box default settings is not that good.
To be fair, audio is a LOT more subjective than raw picture accuracy. That said, I know of noone who would not benefit from a decent discreet DAC, even with cheapo pack-in earbuds. God forbid we start talking about getting an actual decent headset. On a side note, he DT770s are a legendary standby for a reason. For those wanting something more 'gamer-oriented' of the same type, the MMX300 from the same manufacturer is, practically speaking, DT770s with a pretty decent headset mic built in. They are sorta pricy, but they are also EXCEEDINGLY good with a pretty neutral sound profile, meaning there isn't really any bass-boosting or other things interfering with sound accuracy. From there, it's fairly easy to EQ it to match your preferred sound signature, if you are so inclined. Most people won't be so inclined, because after having to deal with overpowering section in other headphones, most people are shocked at how 'clean' the audio out of decent headsets is.
@@jtnachos16 Yeah of course headphones are more important than DAC. I'm not actually sure how much difference there is between the onboard audio and it. I guess it depends on how old the motherboard is. Newer ones should be good enough for anything unless someone wants to buy headphones that require more power. With those they might not be loud enough even with max volume or the audio would lack power for example in bass maybe. But I would recommend people to consider the option of buying headphones that don't have a mic, and then buy a Modmic. It can be slapped on anything and the audio quality is excellent. I had a table mic before, but then bought a modmic for travelling. My friends said it sounds much better so I started using it at home as well.
@@Looooordi It's not so much the motherboard power that's in question, it's the level of interference and distortion that results from it. Some of the higher end motherboards don't have any distortion and interference (as they attempt to shield the sound section) but they also tend to lack some of the capabilities that DACs can have (such as full virt 7.1 + EQ options, processed by the DAC separately from the rest of your system resources) A big part of having a dac, is that you are getting a clean source separate from EMI, so your audio tends to end up with better clarity and zero 'noise'. A lot of people don't even realize there is noise and distortion in their on-board audio until they try using a DAC with their same headphones.
On one hand - games are not the only content people consume, even if you don't want it for games, you can calibrate for the movies, it wont hurt, if you can get it cheap or maybe some friend can do it for free. On the other hand - usually it is enough to set color temp to Warm3. More accurate calibration is usually overkill for tier 1 TV brands. Unless your job is editing images that is.
Great video on the importance of color fidelity on HDTV's for gaming. You know what's more important than color fidelity on HDTV's for gaming? INPUT LAG.
Imagine A plasma 4k TV with Dolby vision! Not only the absolute best picture without any competition, also the best gaming session with insane fast refresh rates.
@@henrywinters9496 I play mostly with HDR activated, it's bright enough for me, for SDR you shouldn't have any problem, as it is less demanding than HDR. as for movies i would recommend a Nvidia shield TV pro or Apple TV 4K gen 3 2022 or if you have lower budget the fire tv 4K max. the panasonic os is just crap
@@ellypsis603 What is so bad about Panaosnic OS? And it''s just that I was worried SDR would look too dim because there is apparently no peak brightness setting
I used your LG C1 PS5 video to set up my C2 I bought a few weeks ago and GoW: Ragnarok looks absolutely incredible. You know what you’re talking about.
I think it matters more than ever now when most AAA games go for hyper realism, outside of that the only time I don't want accurate colors is if I'm contrast boosting csgo.
Thank you for your video, that explains pretty clear many things, 1 question, how much contrast would you recommend? my samsung monitor uses 75/100 by default, is that value accurate or would you recommend another value?
Kratos's skin tone being within the line should actually indicate that it's not well balanced, because his skin is magically covered in the ashes of his wife and daughter.
Hi Vincent, what do you recommend for color settings when gaming on LG TVs? I select HDR game mode to have the lowest input lag, but colors seem too cold.
To all the people that keep doubting industry standards, even in the video game industry, you are all ignorant. Stop doubting the science behind it and start listening to Vincent; he is one of the most credible experts on RUclips, when comes to displays, and he knows his stuff.
Come for the tech wizardry, stay for Vincent’s sublime sense of humour.
This 👆🏻
*ding*
@Garrus Vakarian speak for yourself
Sublime?! Seems quite dry to me.
@Abigail Honestly I always say; if it's too dry, just spit on it.
You're the man. So humanising to see how you've overcome your insecurity. Didn't expect to see that in this sort of video, but it feels good to see it. Your channel is awesome
He's joking bruh😆
@@Sal3600 no I don't think so
Bruh , the problems we think we have in these days are no real problems compared to what truly humans made to be
I haven’t considered a Panasonic TV for gaming for years and have always gone with LG and Samsung. It’s good to see Panasonic making their TV’s so gamer friendly now.
Its great but aren't these TV"s still restricted to select countries, with the US still excluded?
@@albie21121 unfortunately
I miss Panasonic in the states! I remember Gears of War (2006) looked absolutely amazing on my grandma's plasma.
Why not available over there?
@Mat Sci Not enough market, and premium price tag made them not so appealing anymore. Also Samsung and other TV-s have much more apepaling factory picture quality settings that are not color accurate but people like more. They are better at this game than Panasonic.
I always use warm2 for all content. Every other colour temperature looks too blue to me. Once you get used to it, everything else looks wrong and too blue. It's great to see another video from you about gaming
I agree
I found for Samsung TVs I have to use Warm. All other TVs don't have that over blue appearance.
I have a Sony x90j and a s95b. Sony come with a very accurate dolby vision and the only thing that makes my s95b look as good (color accuracy wise) is warm 2 on film maker mode.
Plus its better on the eyes
It's too yellow for me. Almost like a piss filter. I like warm 1 or neutral
Some people who think they know better are probably fans of Quantum TV
That guy is toxic
@@chrisgault87 Rather anty Sony guy 😅
That guy seems moronic to me, I enjoy the knowledge that hddtv provides as an expert, even though I may not find the accurate picture settings as enjoyable sometimes. Everyone should just enjoy their TV with whatever settings they enjoy the most.
try his settings he literally does everything Vince is talking about lol 😆 😂
@@missrachel2 Lie.
Wait a minute... I was waiting for some real advantage based reasons why color accuracy is important in games, but instead its just an ad for Panasonics low latency mode. Nice one.
Colour accuracy matters a lot. In lockdown i played Uncharted 4 on a flagship Samsung Q90R QLED. It was good. But then i replayed the game on a flagship Panasonic DX902 which has calibrated picture modes and is accurate, and the difference was night and day. Playing it on the Panasonic just blew me away. Even the HDR was far better even though the Panasonic is only 1200 Nits and the Samsung is supposed to be 2000 Nits. And the Panasonic was 4yrs older.
Isn't the Q90R capable of accurare colors once calibrated? Or is that only for the newer mini led models?
@@ThePipojp No. Vincent even says the Q90R can't be fully calibrated. You can get some of the way there but I'd you want accuracy you want Panasonic, LG and Sony.
How Samsung is a TV giant is beyond me. Their TVs are just awful.
@@rijjhb9467 They make a wide range for all price points. Basically flood the market so there is something for everyone. And when it comes to high end many gamers don't want to risk burn in. Samsung flagship have been poor for the last 3 or 4yrs but this year's are well done. I've got the QN90B NEO QLED here and it's pretty good.
On witch tv did you play during the night and witch during the day?
(Joking)..
This felt more like a ad for the Panasonic tv. Regardless setting your tv up to meet D65 is so important. If your color temp setting is in cool or normal/neutral. Your doing yourself a hug disservice. Warm is what your supposed to be set to. Some sets have multiple warm settings so check rtings for your tv best warm setting. On Sony tvs it’s usually Warm2
Rtings are very sloppy these days. They give wrong information, don't test certain things etc. I've seen them correct themselves after being called out by the public.
I wish Panasonic was still in the US market. I have one of their CRTs that my dad bought in the 90s and it still works. Very reliable TV brand from my experience
There are people out there still rocking Panasonic plasma TV's from the 90's.
I wish Panasonic TV's was in the Australia market.
There is a Panasonic CRT TV in my family too. Has been going strong for 20+ years of DAILY, HOURS LONG use. I mean, this TV has been there since I remember myself, and I am 27 :)
Well, it shows some signs of wear (screen borders seem to be a bit off, such stuff...), but other than that - a good TV.
I really wish Panasonic would sell their OLED's in the US.
Funny. European here. Wanted to buy Samsung's 32inch 4k TV. Turns out it's a USA exclusive. :P
In fact, there are no 32inch 4k TVs in Europe. Just monitors. TVs only have 720p and 1080p @32 inches. And there are still more 720p 32 inchers.
I'm from the uk and wish they sold them in the states. very little is known about them here with only 2 reviews
Definitely need a comparison to LG C2 after calibration.
I'm just an 18 year old tech interested person and I don't always understand everything that's mentioned and I also don't have the budget to achieve the "greatest/most accurate" results but I really enjoy watching Vincent's videos and learning more about tech than just hardware and it's nice to see someone so calm and humane on RUclips combined with great humour.. and also Vincent plays or at least mentions the horizon series so that's always a +
It's almost like voice massage.
I'm 35 and I can afford this, I hope you can say the same to another boy when you turn my age 👍🏻
@@MrlspPrt thank you, I appreciate it :)
Let's hope so but even if not that's totally fine
This are wise words for an 18 years old yes you are right have fun in learning 😊. Thats the way to success.
why are you interested specifically in 18 year old tech tho?
I never used any sort of warm color temp until I started watching this channel, now I'd never go back. Like others have said once you get used to warmer colors the cool setting just looks too blue and harsh.
Admittedly, I don't game on tvs these days, but it was always strange to me, to see people not realize how important color accuracy is to the (functionality/playability-wise, far more important than color accuracy itself) contrast of a game's visuals. I spent an hour or so 'by sight' calibrating a large HDTV for a relative (FTR, I used an old reference sheet designed for LCD monitors as a baseline for getting reasonable color and brightness balances. I wasn't aiming for perfect, I was aiming for 'significantly better than stock 3rd-tier manufacturer preset gaming mode'), and had them call me two days later calling me a wizard, because they decided to play shooters again, and were shocked at how much better they were doing, claiming the silhouettes 'popped' now and were far more visible.
Color is essential in gaming, especially when playing 3A titles, creators spend a long to create realistic open words, and others create cinematic-like experiences. While we target Real-time Ray Tracing and other graphics performance but in reality, the display performance has a much more significant impact than most gamers think.
yeah, a good display can be a much greater visual upgrade than a new gpu to crank settings to max.
but that's not really tightly tied to color accuracy. it's more general display performance. contrast, brightness, that stuff. as long as you're not crushing and oversaturating everything to hell, there's quite a bit of a leeway in color temperature for a good experience.
It's so good and if you get a resolution upgrade too then games will look as if they're modded. Even GTA V looked pretty close to reality for a 2013 game when I switched to a good IPS panel from a TN one that had the color vibrance setting maxed out since the default was really awful.
@@Azraenore After buying a MacBook, I can't stand my old PC monitor. I can literally see the individual pixels on every image, and colours looks incredibly washed out. I can't believe I've been missing out this whole time...
Claiming you need to have it is subjective. Plenty of people play on crappy TV's from the early 2010's and are just happy they can play games on a screen.
Since I purchased my first Oled screen (Lg c9) and paired it with my PS5 your videos have been perfect when it comes to the BEST settings to use in order to have the best experience. Games have never looked better and I'm constantly amazed every time I boot up the console of how jaw dropping everything looks.
You the man Vincent! Keep it up
Same with my LG CX.
Hey, I plan to buy a Philips 48OLED807. Could you tell me which settings should I use?
I totally agree with Vincent. Accuracy is one of the most important things in gaming. Reminds me of comedian Ken Suzuki, lol. Making it hard for me to justify getting a 42-in Sony A90K. These Panasonics look amazing.
I always feel a sense of security playing games on accurate colors
Which is why I only play certain games on my LG C1. Doesn't give the game proper justice. For casual e-sport games, I don't care about the color as much although my VA display is calibrated.
Sony and Panasonic make the best tvs for accuracy and Picture quality period in the world. Either tv you buy will be amazing especially a master series tv from Sony. The two brands always go head to head at any shoot out and it’s literally down to the wire by so little points difference for final scores. This year the A95k won best tv which is a master series as well, even in Vincent’s test the A95k was the best tv. So I think both brands are amazing and you can’t go wrong with best from either of those brands. No regrets needed at all
No, it is not? lol. It never has been. Some games even let you change color saturation. lmao.
@@lvproductionsinc9748 Nah, especially a flagship TV from Panasonic. Sony is not as accurate as Panasonic. Doesn't mean it was the most accurate. lmao. See the logic. They include many more things other than accuracy and Panasonic LZ2000 is the most accurate TV on the planet.
“I cannot be as dashing as Henry Cavill”
This joke is super, man.. I can’t 💀💀💀😂😂
Joke? What joke?
- Vincent, 2022.
Couldn’t agree more with @vincent. I’ve tried many tv’s but nothing comes close to Panasonic in game mode. Especially the colours, you can use different picture modes because of how they implemented game mode. Especially the picture quality👍🏻.
I don’t like the way my tv looks with all of your recommended settings but I usually use your recommendations as a base and then adjust until Im happy. No reason to tell you that you’re wrong. Ultimately I can enjoy the TV how I want, idk why people can’t just do the same lmao
Same. Warm 50 on LG was too much for me but Warm 20 was just right.
@@ThePreciseClimber I use like 40 I think.
He's not wrong. Color has standards. You don't like it, do you. But I bet if you got your TV/monitor calibrated, you'd never look back.
@@akyhne i didnt say he was wrong.
I had my oled calibrated. Never again. So called experts (cult leaders) and their standards do not really align with gaming art or escapism.. These are not people who play games. They’re stuck with one scenario - you either have to live in a pitch black mancave and isolate yourself from the rest of people you’re living with or you end up with a dim, boring piss filter. I don’t want a gaming filmmaker. It’s not a movie. Try playing competitive with this HGIG bullshit during the day in a normal room. This purism is just ridiculous and these so called professionals are not working to please the customer, but for their obsessives dogmas and feeding their elitist ego.
I wouldn’t claim to know more than Vincent but personally I simply like colder colors. I have set everything to Standard on my LG CX.
Even game developers develop on a calibrated monitor.
Calibration IS a standard. There’s also nothing wrong with over-saturating things to taste. That’s the beauty of having choices in TV settings IMO
Because I have obssesive compulsive disorder, accuracy is a must for me.
People's taste can be shit. Having taste for something doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing.
If you oversaturate your colors and see Morgan Freeman's skin looking like neon Red, you've royally fucked up. 😂😂😂👎👎👎
He's right. A properly calibrated image can change the whole atmosphere of a game. I've recently gone from playing the PS5 on a Samsung NEO QLED to a Panasonic OLED and there is a big difference. Playing the same games looks and feels totally different on both TVs. Once you get everything looking as intended the games really shine.
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But the Samsung Neo Qleds are very accurate after calibrated though, at least the flagship models nowadays
@@ThePipojp No their not. Watch Vincent's videos on them. The fact that on Samsungs dynamic tone mapping can't be turned off means you won't get a fully accurate image. And the menus on Samsungs are very bare bones for calibration. Panasonic menus are very very in depth, an AV geeks wet dream. You can tinker with everything on a Panasonic. There is a reason why Samsung TVs never win calibrators TV shootouts each year.
@@Matty_UK The S95B came second in the last shootout though, didn't It? I know It's QD OLED, but It also had poor calibration and Samsung fixed It after backlash. Besides, rtings tests them for accuracy, and they are close enough so that the average consumer can't tell the difference. Granted, this doesn't go for all of their TVs, but the QN90B and the S95B both are quite accurate. Panasonic does offer more options in terms of accuracy than either Samsung or LG, but to say that It makes that huge of a difference when we are talking about a difference that comes down to quite low Delta E is misleading. Unless you have a reference monitor side by side you won't be able to tell that a Panasonic is more accurate than a properly calibrated flagship Samsung or LG.
Condensing years of experience in less than 10 minutes, pure gold. Thanks Vincent. 😊
You were so right Vincent. I'm now on warm 50 in game settings on my C2. All my favorite games now look much more natural and better. Thanks very much!
i think it is good warm 0...but why the cloud and eyes is yellow? i dont understand this.please help me
More content that covers HDR gaming please.
This channel is criminally underrated. I found you when searching for OLED gaming monitors, I'll be looking forward to a review of the LG 27GR95QE-B that you recently presented. The pixel density offered by the smaller form factor is very appealing.
I had an idea to try some of the cheaper sub 17" displays offered on Amazon and rigging up a solution to get them very close to my face to bring them near the 'retina' standard but I suspect the input lag may not be optimal, do you have any thoughts on that?
Vincent is well known in the community
Vincent is as famous as Henry Cavill.
I wonder if the higher pixel density in that monitor will downgrade HDR peak brightness. 🤔
Pixel density is not that important, there is no crystal effect on LG TVs.
Is Panasonic OLED better than LG C2 just for Gaming PC ?
Don't have any plans to replace my CX yet, but I hope Panasonic keeps up the good work because I'm leaning more and more towards them for next display.
what are other reasons that make you consider Panasonic over other brands?
@@volchonokilliR From what I've seen, it seems like Panasonic does great work in getting the best possible picture quality out of these panels. I'd probably go for either them or Sony if I had any budget and was looking for a new display right now. Especially now that gaming features like 4k120 hdmi 2.1 and vrr support aren't lagging behind as much.
I have the CX too. Best plan to replace it is LG C4 in 2024
If you get used to a calibrated picture it is hard t go back. All look like it should. If you have no idea, an easy and good way (without colorimeter) to come closer to a neutral picture is to copy SDR 1.Filmmaker (or 2. Movie / Night if there is no Filmmaker) Values into SDR Game Mode (u notice it with Gamma at 2.2 or BT1886 / 2.4) & HDR Filmmaker Values into Game HDR (u notice it with ST.2084 or if gamma is greyed out). But reset Filmmaker / Movie Night before, if you are not sure, u have changed them before. And maybe highering the Backlight / OLED Light a bit for SDR game mode, but i would not go too bright, if it is not needed. Only HDR needs the full Backlight / OLED Light, because it is absolute and the Creator desice, how bright or dim a scene is.
I measured my Nintendo Switch (LED) V2 and it is calibrated to D65 very accurate in terms of colors and color tones. EOTF is not perfect but avg of 2.22.
But i think some of the V1 Switchs are D75 and also the Switch Lite is D75~ i think. Maybe for outdoor usage. Can´t speak for the OLED because never saw them in person. But i´m happy that my Switch is accurate to have an identic look to my calibrated TV.
What I like to do is go to Rtings, type up my model, and they give you recommended settings.
I applaud you for this video. Like I applaud you for all your content, and amazing advice. This is something that I’ve been trying to explain for a long time, to so many people, who are ignorant. I just can’t afford the gear needed to prove my point. It not worth it anyways.
I made a LG CX settings video for gaming awhile back. I got the same type of comments, and personal attacks for recommending a D65 white point, and targeting the industry standard. It’s just crazy to me that so many people are so twisted on this subject. I mean, I get everyone has different vision, and color blind issues (cough, cough QTV). But it’s not piss warm white lmfao. D65 is aiming to replicate natural light. If a creator/colorist wants a cooler look for the movie, or scene, they’ll make that happen in the content, while at a D65 white point. If they want something to look warm, it’ll look warm. It why the grade content lol. This argument just makes my mind spin.
Anyways, after that..I honestly gave up on recommending settings. I want to do a C2 settings video, just for the fun of it, and to help others; but I just don’t feel like explaining the importance of standards and why they’re important, as well as calibrating to the standards, to all the people who are going to ignorantly disagree. I’m not saying you have to abide by the standards to a absolute T, but getting as close as possible, using the correct color space, color temp, etc, is really important. It’s truly the only way you’re going to feel true realism and immersion. Luminance can always be adjusted to taste, and ambient lighting conditions..there’s dark and bright room modes for a reason, though content is always best enjoyed in the dark, imho.
And don’t even get me started on HDR, and all the “nit wits” out there, who don’t understand a damn thing about it, and like to claim SDR is superior, and HDR is a scam lol.
I can’t tell you how many people I’ve argued with about HGiG, or tracking PQ EOTF. I feel like 95% of people I talk to, don’t understand it. I get liking a brighter picture, but it always comes at a cost. There is always give and take, when deviating. You give up depth, for “pop”. You’ll lost detail as well, and also possibly exaggerate detail, that shouldn’t be seen. For instance, making film grain more obvious. Lifting shadows, and washing them out, etc. HDR is supposed to be dark. It’s hit lower luminance levels, as well as higher. Dynamic range…but they always whine about HDR being dim..most likely not understanding HDR is for dark environments. Like theaters. And if there’s some ambient light, us things like DTM, and DoVI IQ/Precision, etc. But again, that comes at a cost, and often looks worse, due to clipping of highlight, and constant luminance changes, depending on how you set it up.
Last, I just wanna say that I used to be a vivid mode fool. That was when I was a literally a kid tho, and knew nothing about display tech, colors, etc. If YT and this channel was around back then, I probably would of been in the comments arguing haha. My whole world changed when I learned what a calibrated display looks like. I mean, I wonder how many iPhone users are watching this, and saying they don’t want piss yellow whites, while typing/watching it on a D65 display (if TruTone is off). I truly wonder…I also wonder how many of these commenters, actually let their eyes adjust to D65…granted their display was even close to D65 at warm2. I know I can say for a fact that my CX and C2 were both too cool at warm2/w50. The CX more so. The C2 was actually pretty damn good OOTB. I doubt I would of never noticed, if I didn’t come from a calibrated display 😉
Anyways…I’m finished writing my book. I just truly wanna say thank you, for everything you have taught me, the amazing content, and for always being honest.
As a seasoned user of Reshade for PC gaming 8 can confirm that having color accurate monitors is a must.
I'm genuinely tired of the way most new games look, still being held back by compatibility with old tvs and having terrible flat color and dynamic range.
Everything looks so washed out.
I’m happy with the more frequent uploads and it’s probably because there are less tvs to review which usually take a long time
Another reason why I stick with Panasonic TVs. Reassuring this thank you. Recently purchased Panasonic 65LZ1500
That’s both funny and wholesome that you used to airbrush your face 😂 Very relatable! I think your sense of humour and passion for what you do far outweigh any advantage in the looks department. I think being ultra-good-looking is like being a billionaire, you never know if your friends just like you for your looks/money. Not that I would know 😂
That's why I chose a Panasonic oled for gaming, and I love it! :)
This guy knows his shit! He's a Fn genius for real. Doesn't get enough credit. You should easily have 2 mill subs my friend. Much respect.
So glad u got rid of your insecurities. At the end of the day that never mattered. Your are the go to channel to get my info on TV tech. You are mainly why I got my c1 at the time. Thanks for all the content!
Thank you - finally! All the gaming features in the world don't mean much when the colors suck in game mode and there's barely a way to correct them. I hope you will lean strongly into this in future reviews when evaluating the gaming chops of a TV. (And also that a 5-way HDMI 2.1 splitter will finally be available until your next best-of-year blind test shoot-out :) )
I rather have an 120hz gsync freesync monitor/TV than a colour accurate 60hz no vrr monitor/TV
Because of you, I actually set my 85 inch TV to the correct "warm" color setting, disabled all enhanced picture settings and removed sharpening for all my inputs and channels to get an accurate picture 😂
Yup, it’s very important. I don’t buy any gaming monitor unless it’s at least somewhat close to accurate out of the box.
I recommend anyone interested in accurate colours checkout Rtings for monitor reviews.
Most monitors with the fastest response times have poor colours. Most monitors with accurate colours are not suited for competitive gaming in terms of response time/input delay. However, there’s a small amount of gaming monitors that exist in both realms - having both accurate colours and fast response time/high refresh rate. Well worth the money to buy a gaming monitor that does it all with little compromise.
As a hobby photographer and love gaming!
Yes it is very important to calibrate your monitor!
For gaming, yes you have to unfortunately by your self a expensive monitor!
But it makes a huge difference, and you are gaining FPS.
I mostly play games on CRTs, where you often cannot achieve perfect calibration. My CRT friends and I had a saying, "Disregard calibration, acquire nice". I do try to achieve proper calibration on my LCD TV still though.
Panasonic should spend a bit more on their advertising budget like this. They have great TVs but not many people consider Panasonic as an option for OLEDs. (This is only an issue for their TVs. Most of their other electronic items have a very good reputation already)
Man this is so true. It's kinda sad to see in markets were Panasonic OLED tvs are wide available gamers still prefering brands like LG or Samsung. And especially in recent years when Panasonic has improved so much in the gaming front (they were always the best for movies). But i think in an age where the technology media are being dominated by NA channels (where Panasonic has no presence at all),this affects and hurts their marketing presence in Europe as well.
LG C1 or C2 are still the only great choice for budget-conscious and hardcore gamers. 4 HDMI 2.1 ports so you can have E-ARC and multiple 2.1 devices, GSync\VRR and ALLM. Color accuracy is phenomenal after calibration as well (yes having it out of the box is better)
Just a heads up to any gamers considering getting a Panasonic TV, they don't have G-Sync. A Philips or LG TV would probably give u a slightly better gaming experience
I don't understand all of the technical color stuff, but I love your videos. Now I automatically mess with settings with new TV's even when they aren't mine. My next step is probably getting some equipment 😂.
I've learned to look at movies differently as well. Spotting things like cloth texture and skin pores that I didn't really pay much attention to before. But that hasn't carried over to RUclips as I have no idea what you would airbrush out. We all worry about stupid stuff nobody else notices.
You should do an updated gaming settings video.
I love the new delivery of your videos, very enjoyable to watch, keep it up.
Once I set my LG G1 to game mode, I knew something was wrong right out of the box. Everything definitely looked too blue. I tried to set the color gamut to "natural", but again, something was off. Mario's hat was way too red, and the colors in my NES did not look like how I remembered. I tried looking through the Expert Bright" picture setting, and found what was different. That damn white balance! I slammed that thing down to warm 50, and couldn't be happier with the result. But its nice to know that there are tvs out there that are accurate right out of the box. Mine just wasn't one of them.
i dont like warm temp. i like cool temp. its personal preference
The thing is, I found a deal for an LG 42 C2 for as low as 750€, while the 42 Panasonic costs 1499€. No one can tell me that it's actually double the TV that the C2 is.
Guy is low key a comedy genius.
I would love to see a review of the best budget tv's for movies and tv series.
Another great video and really was amazing to hear your journey in overcoming your insecurities - I hope you can be proud of yourself for being so open about it now . I do wonder where Sony’s game mode falls on that skin tone colour line - just started horizon forbidden on west on my X95J and I was more blown away than I expected to be at the skin tones
panasonic is very nice and I hope they will release a QD Oled next year with the latest mediatek chipset. That being said. LG dan also be set very easily to a accurate picture mode while gaming. Just relabel the HDMI port to "PC" and switch to "Expert dark" for SDR and "Cinema" for HDR. Done.
if you use the streaming apps on your tv instead of your console or PC (which you always should) you don't have to switch back.
The problem with built-in streaming apps is that they don't get long-term priority updates vs dedicated devices like Roku, Fire Stick, Apple TV, game consoles, etc.
Is the quality better or more accurate image on built in app vs Xbox app. I just don’t want to slow down my tv by having all these programs running all the time.
It would be great if other manufacturers like LG, Samsung etc. wouldn't enable all kinds of filters like sharpening and cool colors in Game Mode. It's crazy that out of the box, only Panasonic has more or less okay defaults.
Everything said in this video is also true for the 2021 JZ series except for NVIDIA auto game mode and game mode overlay.
I think it used to not matter with color accuracy. Because of cathode ray tube TVs and Monitors. But now it is completely different.
Fully on board with the message... a standard for white point is crucial. Am curious though, how do you white balance the camera that films the displays? 6500k? What about green/magenta axis? A further question, if you do in fact rate the camera at 6500k (and assuming green/mag is set correctly), does your camera’s recording of the display’s D65 white point reproduce true white ie. equal RGB pixel values? Or would this depend on a display’s emissive characteristics?
Yes
If you shoot in RAW you can calibrate the white point after you shoot the video by first shooting a reference white board and then grade that board to a correct white point. In other cameras you can simply select reference white.
I legit used to play games up to the PS3 era on Vivid mode for the insane color pop. 😬
I'm putting this in my ps5 category right now so when I finally have a pc monitor that I feel is right for me, I'll have this as a reminder.
i absolutely agree!
the video output from a game is no different than the video output from a movie... all are subject to inaccurate color reproduction in a poorly calibrated panel
and that's why I don't bother using Game Mode... there is no significant difference in lag anyway, and I can live with the 48ms lag
As far as I can tell Game Mode on most TV's just disables a bunch of settings you could disable yourself anyways, it's just a quick shortcut to disable them all with a single toggle. The downside is that it also grays out the settings so you can't then re-enable specific settings you desire. So what I end up doing is just reconfiguring one of the presets to my ideal configuration for gaming and set the TV to that mode when gaming, instead of using Gaming Mode.
So every person, and there are tons on RUclips that recommend using game mode to reduce input lag, you are saying that is false? Do you have proof of this inaccuracy?
@@Nicholas_Steel yeah thisb is what I see with my ancient LG OLED E6
i'm sure there's still a difference for those hardcore into online multiplayer or twitch games, but there's always CRTs for them
You can definitely feel a difference in input lag. When I first ever found out about game mode and switched to it, it was a night and day difference. I had no idea it was supposed to reduce input lag but I could feel it instantly and never switched back. I was only playing LA Noire which is a single player game, so nothing fast paced, but it's still very noticeable. This was on an older tv too.
HDR seemed to throw accuracy right out the window by its introduction. Nobody creating content can really predict how on earth the display is going to modify the color, contrast and brightness to fit it on each display, and they can't even know what the display is capable of. Throw in things like dynamic tone mapping and it's even more all over the place from one moment to the next on the same display. It's quite strange that we ended up here, all so that cheap displays that can't really do HDR can be called "HDR" and be given a higher price tag than the should have.
Ikr. My tv is like level entry. So I dont even bother with HDR. The SDR looks better
Yeah HDR could have been much better if only it had just a few more standards built in.
Say, the brightness limits of the TV being part of its EDID (or something equivalent), and all video sources having three tonemapping methods with fully defined standardized algorithms: static, dynamic and none (aka hardclipping, aka hgig).
i really have to thank you for saving my eyeballs. oversaturated displays literally caused me eye strain alongside being inaccurate.
Even my samsung plasma television defaults to Warm 2 in Movie Mode 👍
But people want their red Ferrari in forza to look orange apparently
I agree. Accuracy matters in gaming too. It's just too bad you can't really buy Panasonic TVs pretty much anywhere anymore.
Color accuracy doesn't matter in most media for one simple reason: perception is subjective. might be "accurate", but it's not what I'm in the mood for.
If I repeat the games that I love or play games that needed daily grind, that is when I need it color accurate or not below average, to keep me intrigued and in love with the game. Just like movies, if I watch a very good movie, it doesn't matter if it's only 1080p and none HDR, I'm still at the edge of my seat constantly during the first watch. But when I rewatch it, it better be Hi Res HDR to re admire the beauty of the world. Though I prefer already at the best quality during the first watch if the movie is spectacular.
These Panasonic videos always make me mourn the loss of Panasonic TV's in the U.S. Market.
Precise accuracy is not important.
A blue tint is noticeable and should be eyeballed corrected.
I personally leave my monitor slightly warm and I can see it on white background.
Can't go wrong with warm and cozy.
So only Panasonic has this peculiarity of accurate image out of the box? I thought Sony had it too.
@@JoShUa95160 Thanks for the reply! A praise to Panasonic and Sony must be done, I hope that as early as next year we will be able to have 4 hdmi 2.1 ports
I don't know why Panasonic decided to stop selling their TVs in the US. There are plenty of us who would love to own a Panasonic OLED. I still have my 2009 65" Panasonic Plasma TV.
2009 42 in plasma i'm trying to get rid of because I've upgraded. What a great tv though.
Because most of us market prefer 85" chinese led backlight tv like TCL or hisense. So they leave the market. Maybe too much cost to benefit
M8, remember to Think about fps games. Often your settings makes games very Dark. Maybe it is fine for some games, but fps games you dont want this.
Then it Will be hard to see enemies in dark areas
the video is interesting, but it didn't explain why i "need" accurate colors. are the colors on my screen accurate? i have no idea, but i like the way it looks, so why exactly do i "need" it to be accurate?
Been gaming on warm 50 for last few years and would never go back. Accuracy gives the best natural and balanced look to any content. Certain games that have eerie atmospheres can be completely ruined by an overly blue and contrasty look particularly I find.
I know I play my ps5 game and warm tv mode on my 55 inch qled Samsung 4k hdr it look better
"These days, I don't even care anymore".
Same bro. Same.
Every time I try recommended settings by those so called pro.. I just got an ultra dark and yellow picture, absolutely horrible looking. Nerds on internet always say '' UhUhUh YoU NEed TOo AdApt For WeEkS To eNjOy '' or '' uHuhUH YoU ArE JusT UseD tO OvErSaTuRAtEd BlUe cOlORs ''. But in fact, I try the warm 2 for 2 weeks, and then I just put back normal again and BOOM everything was looking 10 times better.. without the need to '' adapt for weeks ''. I try to show the difference to friends and family and they ALL say, normal is just way better. And no, the colors are NOT oversaturated at all. I know what oversaturated looks like, and my lg cx oled don't have those AT ALL on standard / game mode. Sorry but your settings are just wrong. Those TV are already calibrated by pro, there is no need to disable every settings and put a yellow piss filterover the picture to then say '' ItS sO aCCuRaTe '' when, in fact, it's just yellow.
And no, I don't know better than Vincent, I just give my experience and the experience of everybody around me.. no need to be a so called pro to know what is looking better or not. In fact, pro are mostly biased because they are referring to numbers and all instead of just LOOKING at the picture.
Great video. LG C1 definitely has slightly too blue picture in game optimizer mode, but you can adjust it. Another equally important thing that most people don't care about is audio quality. The most popular gaming headsets have only decent but quite inaccurate sounds. I bought DT770 80ohm headphones with a headphone amplifier and the difference in accuracy and how epic everything feels like is like the difference between SDR and HDR
Most will tell you "onboard good enough" lmao.
Personally I have dt990 pro 250ohms with sound blaster AE-7 I love the customization of creative sound cards, like with my old logitech z906 or my new 7.1 sound bar with rear speakers it takes stereo and gives it a virtual surround effect so its like the sports game is in surround which is much better than only getting sound from left/right speakers. I got a z490 unify which has one of the better onboard sound and its awful compared to my ae-7 but one thing with ae-7 is the out of the box default settings is not that good.
To be fair, audio is a LOT more subjective than raw picture accuracy. That said, I know of noone who would not benefit from a decent discreet DAC, even with cheapo pack-in earbuds. God forbid we start talking about getting an actual decent headset.
On a side note, he DT770s are a legendary standby for a reason. For those wanting something more 'gamer-oriented' of the same type, the MMX300 from the same manufacturer is, practically speaking, DT770s with a pretty decent headset mic built in. They are sorta pricy, but they are also EXCEEDINGLY good with a pretty neutral sound profile, meaning there isn't really any bass-boosting or other things interfering with sound accuracy. From there, it's fairly easy to EQ it to match your preferred sound signature, if you are so inclined. Most people won't be so inclined, because after having to deal with overpowering section in other headphones, most people are shocked at how 'clean' the audio out of decent headsets is.
@@jtnachos16 Yeah of course headphones are more important than DAC. I'm not actually sure how much difference there is between the onboard audio and it. I guess it depends on how old the motherboard is. Newer ones should be good enough for anything unless someone wants to buy headphones that require more power. With those they might not be loud enough even with max volume or the audio would lack power for example in bass maybe.
But I would recommend people to consider the option of buying headphones that don't have a mic, and then buy a Modmic. It can be slapped on anything and the audio quality is excellent. I had a table mic before, but then bought a modmic for travelling. My friends said it sounds much better so I started using it at home as well.
@@Looooordi It's not so much the motherboard power that's in question, it's the level of interference and distortion that results from it. Some of the higher end motherboards don't have any distortion and interference (as they attempt to shield the sound section) but they also tend to lack some of the capabilities that DACs can have (such as full virt 7.1 + EQ options, processed by the DAC separately from the rest of your system resources) A big part of having a dac, is that you are getting a clean source separate from EMI, so your audio tends to end up with better clarity and zero 'noise'. A lot of people don't even realize there is noise and distortion in their on-board audio until they try using a DAC with their same headphones.
@@resColts i bet you couldn't tell the difference between onboard and the sound blaster in a blind test with the dt990
I'm excited for when Panasonic TV's start using QD-OLED panels.
Sony better watch its back.
With that pixel structure...i'm not.
On one hand - games are not the only content people consume, even if you don't want it for games, you can calibrate for the movies, it wont hurt, if you can get it cheap or maybe some friend can do it for free.
On the other hand - usually it is enough to set color temp to Warm3. More accurate calibration is usually overkill for tier 1 TV brands. Unless your job is editing images that is.
The irony of watching this on an LG lcd tv with the blue backlight issue is not lost on me.
Great video on the importance of color fidelity on HDTV's for gaming.
You know what's more important than color fidelity on HDTV's for gaming? INPUT LAG.
Imagine A plasma 4k TV with Dolby vision! Not only the absolute best picture without any competition, also the best gaming session with insane fast refresh rates.
Just bought the 55LZ1000e, the picture is amazing and calibration out of the box is just perfect.
is SDR brightness in game mode good enough?
@@henrywinters9496 I play mostly with HDR activated, it's bright enough for me, for SDR you shouldn't have any problem, as it is less demanding than HDR.
as for movies i would recommend a Nvidia shield TV pro or Apple TV 4K gen 3 2022 or if you have lower budget the fire tv 4K max. the panasonic os is just crap
@@ellypsis603 What is so bad about Panaosnic OS? And it''s just that I was worried SDR would look too dim because there is apparently no peak brightness setting
I don't know how people can play games or watch anything with that harsh blue color temperature 😩
I used your LG C1 PS5 video to set up my C2 I bought a few weeks ago and GoW: Ragnarok looks absolutely incredible. You know what you’re talking about.
I think it matters more than ever now when most AAA games go for hyper realism, outside of that the only time I don't want accurate colors is if I'm contrast boosting csgo.
Ahh yes, the typical "trust me bro" and "I know more than the expert" in the comment sections all over the internet 🤡.
Thank you for your video, that explains pretty clear many things, 1 question, how much contrast would you recommend? my samsung monitor uses 75/100 by default, is that value accurate or would you recommend another value?
This would be great if Panasonic sold TVs in my country.
Kratos's skin tone being within the line should actually indicate that it's not well balanced, because his skin is magically covered in the ashes of his wife and daughter.
You are more dashing than a real life Space Marine 🥰 subbed
Hi Vincent, what do you recommend for color settings when gaming on LG TVs? I select HDR game mode to have the lowest input lag, but colors seem too cold.
Use HDR game mode but change the color temperature to Warm 50
I wish those Panasonic OLEDs were available in the US.
To all the people that keep doubting industry standards, even in the video game industry, you are all ignorant. Stop doubting the science behind it and start listening to Vincent; he is one of the most credible experts on RUclips, when comes to displays, and he knows his stuff.
I never understood the TV makers' decision to make everything blueish in "game mode". Blue hues is more gamery somehow?
Hey Vincent, this time it felt like you were trying to sell the Panasonic instead of just explaining the importance of colour accuracy.
some of the kids just wanna talk. Keep doing what you're doing. Love