It is really cathartic to hear Tommy and Ben humanize Palestinians. The footage of Shaban burning alive, and of the little boy consoling his wailing younger brother are also ones that have been seared into my heart. Also seared are the statements of Gallant, Netanyahu, Herzog on how they would annhilate Gaza. If media coverage were honest in the US, more Americans would understand why the first two are under indictment for genocide.
Unfortunately it means nothing to the democrat party; Neoliberalism is their goal and desire…and that means to seek to always remove roadblocks to empire
What’s shameful about this past year is that everyone in power and adjacent to power has known, in detail, what’s happening. Which means that they wake up and go to sleep everyday and they are okay with it. Some of them love it. Fucking sick
Israel is really at the end of the “…living long enough to see yourself become the villain” character arc. A country founded from the ashes of the Shoah (which, regardless of what Israel says, is the historic truth) is now committing some of same crimes against their neighbors. It is both horrific and shameful to watch.
Turns out the Israelis have no problem with Nazi ideology per se, only the details about which group constitutes the Master Race, which groups are broadly tolerated provided they collaborate with the Master Race, and which group constitutes the Untermensch (sub-humans.)
Huh? Israel doesn't deny that Israel was founded on the ashes of the Shoah. I should add that more than half of all Israeli Jews are Arab countries. One can criticize Israeli policy and still not agree you.
You should also mention that Israel's behavior in Gaza is a violation of US law. It is currently unlawful to provide military aid to Israel. All US military aid comes with stipulations as to its use. It turns out we generally frown on using our weapons to target civilians.
Don't forget that Antony Blinken lied to Congress saying that Israel wasn't blocking U.S. humanitarian assistance into Gaza, despite his own staff telling him Israel was blocking aid, to make sure U.S. weapons kept flowing to Israel.
@@trevinbeattie4888citation: all of the Leahy Laws and amendments, and Leahy stating outright months ago Israel has long been in violation of the laws. Just no will in Congress to act in it. Truly impotent cowardly disgraces
Israel's behavior is NOT a violation of US law. Hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but US law does not extend outside the US. It is the US itself that is violating its own law.
Thanks for bringing up Israeli and Palestinian nuance and for being as horrified as I am. It seems as if most mainstream media is just ignoring the situation in Gaza. Thank goodness Jewish Voices for Peace had their action the other day. I appreciate your concern for how this is affecting the Israeli”s who are enforcing this brutality. The talking point of Israel having the right to defend itself has become beyond hollow as Gaza is being pulverized. Netanyahu and his cronies will be judged by history and they will join the most reviled brutes.
Thanks! I agree. I think some of the comments are unreasonably critical. Ben and Tommy have been consistently good on this issue. Especially considering the blowback and the total lack of real criticism from the msm.
Tommy… thank you for calling attention to those horrifying videos. It is so important to bear witness to the particular horrors of war. What we see is barbaric and should never be ignored or explained away. Thank you.
Thank you for highlighting the humanitarian catastrophe and war crimes in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank. Those saying that this is Hamas' fault are blind to the blood on our hands. Those children would not be burning alive in hospitals if not for: - the IDF - Netanyahu - American-made jets and bombs - the American taxpayer dollars to pay for those jets and bombs - the blocking of medical aid WE. CAN. STOP. THIS. SUFFERING.
You forgot to blame - Hamas (actually you basically said it's not their fault) - Hamas not allowing a single civilian to go to the tunnels for safety - Hamas not giving back hostages and surrendering - Hamas for starting the war on October 7th - The parents that voted for Hamas in 2006 - The 2nd Intifada of Hamas terrorist bombings that created the wall (the "open air prison" and the "apartheid terrotory" for a people that state they are the enemy of Israel) - The polling that shows your average Palestinian by a large majority wants 9 million Israelis to not exist - UNWRA schoolbooks talking about killing Jews in elementary math - UNWRA funding 400 MILES of terror tunnels (their largest 19 year public works project) - A lack of water infrastructure because Hamas used it to build weapons - Hamas operating out of hospitals - The US for funding Hamas via the UN and directly - The EU for funding Hamas via the UN and directly - Trump for ending the Iranian nuclear deal - Biden for returning $10 billion in funding to Iran - IRGC - Hezbollah - The Houthis - The Muslim Brotherhood Islamist extremists - Also why just blame Bibi? Smotrich and Ben Gvir are WAY WORSE. This problem comes down to Palestinians wanting a Palestine "from the river to the sea". If they could just negotiate a neighborly coexistence with Israel they wouldn't have a war. And to do that, you need to get rid of the extremists that run both territories. Should Israel get rid of them? Ideally not. Palestinians should get rid of them. You can't have peace with hatred for Israel. And it took a lot for Smotrich and Ben Gvir to gain power. They would easily be voted out if there was a path to peace. They have long been seen as dangerous to Israel. The only use they have is in wartime as a vicious decision makers against vicious enemies.
@@t-townfoxtrot5181Hamas is a terrorist group, why would a terrorist group let citizens into tunnels or give back hostages without reaching their objectives? Dear god, stop simping for terrorist groups and treating them like governments, it's disgusting. Say it with me: Hamas is a terrorist group.
The gay German FDP politician you were referencing was probably Guido Westerwelle. He sadly died of leukemia in 2016. Probably the last decent leader the FDP has had. They've been turning hard conservative, laissez-faire capitalist libertarian under Lindner.
“It’s hard to figure out what’s happening” no it’s not. They’re doing what they’ve been saying they would do since week one: no food, no water, no fuel. Typical both-sidesism to complicate what is laid bare. And of course taking the Iz government at face value is problem No. 1. It’s getting really sickening tbh. ETA: Thank you Ben for pushing back on Tommy’s wishy washiness
I appreciate Ben speaking freely and blaming the administration. Tommy on the other hand is not puttin the same responsability to the administration or atleast publicly. Propably because he supports Kamala and blaming the administration is blaming her too.
@@markbantz9699 Then dont support it or offer that you are going to do something diffrent than Biden. She literally said she wont do anything diffrent if she’s elected.
FYI - The way you guys completely ignore Israel's security needs, and give Palestinian leaders absolutely no agency for the responsibility of 75 years of bad decision making, has led so many Jews and others who have been lifelong Democrats to vote for Trump.
Love Ben for taking his daughter to her first baseball game. I was five when my dad took me to a dodgers game in 1957 in LA. One of my most cherished and joyous memories of that guy. Gentlemen, this was a great podcast. One for the age. more prescient than you might even know. I mean India is mad at Canada. WTF!!! That's new
Very interesting conversation about Afghanistan. Refreshing to hear some nuance about a country and people often presented in the media as a monolith of religious fanatics. The idea that the Afghan people are effecting change on the Taliban gives me some small amount of hope for their future.
You're probably thinking of Guido Westerwelle who used to run the FDP back in the day. Your german accents are atrocious and I'm here for it! Also nice to be in the news here and it not being about the AFD...
Besides US troops being in harm’s way, there is very little discussion about people like McGurk actually facing Congress. Shouldn’t the American people be able to ask him some questions through our elected leaders?
We've had a very targeted media and social discourse against BeBe I guess Israel compared to the ongoing suffering of the Palestinians. Australia has historically supported the US in every war when other countries have not, however over the last 10 years we have been listening to Europe so much more. Australia wants Israel to cease fire, let international aid in and be held accountable for crimes against Gaza populations. The US wields the strongest influence with Israel so if you can't calm BeBe down and force a cease fire then wtf are you hoping for?
Netanyahu faces prison in Israel (bribery, fraud, corruption), and has nothing to lose- he'll either be a hero, or go out in a blaze. His behavior indicates that he has a deal with something equal to or greater than US, or that Israel just doesnt need US anymore.
Selectively looking at individual, horrific occurrences in Gaza does nothing to address the issue. You literally said "If someone did this to me I would hate you," referring to Palestinian victims. Well guess what? It WAS done to the Jews. And they are feeling and are responding exactly as you suggested you would feel. Both sides have legitimate grievances. Both sides can point to unthinkable atrocities to justify violence and retaliation. Both sides are acting in accordance with their interests and objectives. Putting all of the responsibility to end the conflict on only one side is nonsensical and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. The only way to even begin to meaningful opinion on this issue is to consider the ultimate objectives of each side. The Jews have clearly demonstrated that their ultimate goal is to live peacefully with their Arab neighbors. They have succeeded in that goal with many of them. They say it over and over. The goal of Hamas is to eliminate the state of Israel and establish some sort of caliphate. Both of those goals are legitimate for those who aim for them. But for us spectators understanding those big picture objectives is much more important than wringing our hands over suffering Palestinian children. That suffering breaks all of our hearts. And we have to look at it in the bigger context. It's so much more complex than 'people who drop bombs are bad.'
Israelis and Palestinians might have legitimate grievances. But the Israelis have a government. The Palestinians have Hamas, a terrorist group, and the weak Palestinian Authority, which is basically an Israeli puppet and has done nothing to stop illegal Israel settlements. Israeli left Hamas in power for 16 years, they funneled money to Hamas, they supported Hamas. When Israel says it had a ceasefire with Hamas on Oct 6th, think about what Israel is saying. They were happy to make peace with a terrorist group who calls for the destruction of Israel... This is nonsense, the point of a government is to prevent violence, it's why we have them. Without a government, people will resort to violence, terrorist groups and organized crime. Israel is acting like it doesn't even have a government, the Israeli government is behaving just like Hamas, a terrorist group. The Israeli government needs to step up, and achieve peace, the purpose of any government in history. Why is the Israeli government so focused on making sure Palestinians do not have a government of their own? What do they think is going to happen, that Palestinians will eventually give up and abandon violence? There has been no group of humans who have done that without an actual government. The Israelis have a government, the Palestinians do not.
@@jmhorange Hamas effectively rules Palestine, it is the government. If Isreali government has achieved peace for 16 years by funding it, it proves that it did achieve peace, even if only by appeasement, which always fails at some point. Hamas, terrorist group/gov, achieved peace by taking the funding, but rather than spending it on infrastructure, invested in weapons & ended the peace with an act of war. Netanyahu, having tried peace via payment (as you describe), will doubtless achieve peace- after a lot of horrific violence.
People do make the argument (Bill Maher, who is a half-smart, sarcastic prick, and Scott Galloway, who is actually smart and fairly sincere), that Israeli bombing of civilians in Gaza is comparable to the allied bombing of German cities in World War II. Galloway argues that the Israeli bombing is less indiscriminate than for example the fire bombing of Dresden. Of course this historical relativism is pretty simplistic and facile. We could argue for days about whether a supposed Nazi sympathy in the general population was defeated by killing tens of thousands, just as you guys properly point out that killing Palestinian civilians does not create understanding for the Israeli position. I do not believe that Palestinian victimhood automatically endows the Palestinian cause with some kind of nobility. I am not a kefiyah kid. From the river to the sea exists not just as a slogan, but also as a program. The problem is that when we take one side or another in this conflict - instead of our own serious demand for a peaceful solution - we tend to support one side by piling up the many wrongs of the other side and claiming that they override or justify the wrongs of our side. But this conflict has degenerated into a conflict between extremes: Hamas/Hesbollah and Netanyahu/Smotrich/Ben Gvir. As Americans we need (like Ben and Tommy) to pUsh for our own ideas of a peace based on adherence to international law.
No one is saying that Palestinians are “morally right” and “Israel is wrong”or that “Hamas/Hezbollah” are right and “Netanyahu/Ben Gvir/Smotrich are wrong”. Saying that “suffering doesn’t give you moral authority” is a line that you stole from Ta-Nehisi Coates to argue against a claim no one is making. This is a war of extremes but the extremes are not “Hamas” or “Netanyahu” - they are both on the same side of the extremes. The real extremes are “human rights and rule of law” vs “apartheid and genocide”. You shouldn’t need to be a “keffiyah kid” to know which of those is morally right and which deserve our condemnation.
Bill Maher may be “half smart” but he’s fully an asshole. Scott Galloway is overrated. This is not comparable to Dresden or any battle in any other war in recent history with the exception of Nanking or maybe an isolated incident where some US military commander went psycho on a village in Vietnam. Palestinian civilians were not killed as “collateral damage” in the targeting of some other group. The “we just want to destroy Hamas” line that Israel feeds people was always a myth - just like “the tunnels” underneath Shifa hospital. Israel has never been particularly concerned about distinguishing civilians from militants. All Palestinians are the same to Netanyahu. He thinks they’re “all polluting the land G-d reserved for the Jewish people” and they need to go.
@@TPaine76 I would mostly agree except to point out that the extremes on both sides advocate for genocide and not for a peace governed by law. The pronouncements of the IDF are cynical. The claims of “resistance” on the part of Hamas are hollow.
Better late than never, but it’s a little funny to hear Ben and Tommy describe what Zionism does to people’s sense of humanity and rationality. The inability to see Palestinians as human is a feature-not a bug. This is what supremacy is and what it does. I appreciate that they’re talking about it, but I also think it warrants self reflection on their part regarding their role in the normalization of dehumanizing the Palestinians over the past year.
Guys who’ve worked in foreign policy for two decades just realizing ethnic supremacy makes someone psychotic. The rest of the world figured that out in a few months just looking at what the IDF posts themselves doing
Better late than never? He still hasn't said what you just said. He's talking about the current violence, not the ZN concept as a whole. That's a bridge too far for a useless centrist to cross.
@@yessum15 Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess I’m talking more about the fact that they’re addressing the hypocrisy of Iz defenders at all is a step forward.
@@aricurtis1365 Paying lip service to the notion that violence is bad while reinforcing the primary driver of that violence is not a step forward. They repeatedly reaffirm the validity ZN, and have never once referred to the current conflict as a "gen", and constantly downplay our ownership of it. They have not once called for the prosecution of anyone involved.
Israel has said for over a decade Hamas and Hezbollah use human shields. They also know most of the world doesn't buy that argument. So one would think before Israel started its war, that it would take into account that the world doesn't buy the human shield and would blame Israel for the deaths and cut off diplomatic ties. So even if it's true Hamas and Hezbollah use human shields, you'd think Israel would try to limit civilian deaths to avoid the world blaming Israel and harming their diplomatic ties, or at the very least, anticipate that the world would blame Israel and insulate their society from this criticism. The surprising thing is Israel seems completely caught off guard that world opinion of Israel has dropped significantly since civilians deaths have continued to rise in Gaza.
@@samhenr2392 If you want to equate the diversion of US humanitarian aid by Hamas and Israel intentionally dropping a bomb on a hospital courtyard full of civilians, go ahead. If those two actions are morally equivalent, then I have nothing to say.
@@bikerd12 all I'm saying is when we give Isreal arms and give Hamas aid it's with the intention that they use it responsibly, clearly on both sides that's not the case. I don't understand why I, an American, am only responsible for Isreal actions and not Hamas (even though we supply both sides)
Why are you guys not talking about Ukraine? Why are you so incredibly obsessed with Israel and the Middle East? Have you forgotten that there is a literal full-scale war in Europe?
Those videos had questions raised and demands for sanctions in the UK Parliament a couple of times. Wether they will come is another thing. But they are becoming more strident calls
Nobody gets in trouble for horribly stereotypical German accents lol. Mocking what Hollywood thinks we sound like is just like telling jokes about how Americans love killing black/brown kids; the target of the mockery is too powerful and resentment against them is too strong to elicit significant sympathy. And since nobody feels like it’s bullying / you’re punching down, you can dismiss anyone who is offended as lacking a sense of humor.
Ben & Tommy, Trans-national repression is quite common for both India and Pakistan. Sadly they both learn from one another. Actually if anything, India probably initially learnt from the corrupt Pakistani Generals in how to control their diaspora, intimidate and suppress them. Agree Ben, when it comes to human rights line should not be crossed. Just look at the poor Pakistani people. Abused, torchered and exploited by the corrupt Paksitani Generals and no one says anything.
I wish they would cover why this is America's issue instead of an issue for Egypt, Jordan, or any other neighbor of Israel. How did we get so tightly wrapped up in this?
I really wonder sometimes if it's nice there, on Earth 2 where you live. The UN forces in Lebanon are either blind scarecrows or downright complicit, helping out Hezbollah. Oh and you think you have a problem with the Muslims in Michigan. Well, you do, but it's not the problem you think. We are doing your dirty work for you. You're welcome. Also, the moment you said you get your news on Israel from the BBC, it became clear to me you have zero chance of seeing the full story, of ever seeing the Israeli side.
Speaking of a German politician giving Orbán shit while dripping in sarcasm, how about the fact that he ends with "step down and make Hungary great again." lol
You asked for everyone to stop saying "Let me be clear". Can we also add, "Well(,) listen" to that? Its annoyingly repetitive, but specifically, it makes NO SENSE to say that to someone who just asked you a question. They are quite obviously already listening
Good pod today - just a reflection the hyper nationalism of India and China towards people in other nations is a less robust form of Israel’s approach to people they ethnically identify with….
What am I missing…..of coarse Kamala could something meaningful and impactful about Gaza!!! She should do it today. STOP apologizing for her. Usually I go after Tommy but, Ben, really? Her hands are tied? What by AIPAC?
What is this doing to Israelis……it is exactly what is happening here with the normalizing of white supremacy….it has ALWAYS been there…the mask has just been pulled off. This is what Israel has always been
Ok that's me out at @16:34 I am so sorry but this is truly out of my circle of control. forgive my weekness but I don't have the ability to parse these sorts of facts without mental illness consequences. .
wikipedia allows for both pronunciations with "sick" coming first. I have a bias for the latter because, I guess, of what the former connotes.@@katinkagoncalves913
@katinagonclaves913 With respect, Tommy does indeed have it right if one wishes to defer (honour) to the pronunciation use by adherents of Sikhism (say, "Sick-ism"). The "Seek" and "Seek-ism" likely has its roots in British colonialism. Cheers
The casualness that these two, very good dudes, are talking about a state sponsored terrorism, shows how successful the boiling frog strategy is. To be clear, these guys are talking about Israel engaging in strategy that is literal Nazism, terrorism, etc. Israel is a terrorist state at this point. The government and if we are honest, many of its people, are either terrorists or sympathizers of terrorism. We are just not materially different from a nation like Iran on the very specific subject of our support for Israel and what we will allow. That is deeply disturbing and I feel like some wacko, conspiracy theorist, but objectively, we are knowingly supporting terrorism on a level that is so far beyond isis, Al queida or any terrorist groups. And the tactics are equally brutal. Starvation is far more brutal than a gun shot. Again, if you are objective and simply view this on paper as a non US citizen, I don’t know how you come to different conclusions. And once my party does that, I can no longer vote for them. And yes, I realize the other guys are worse, but I also believe continuation of my support, for the party that is responsible for this, creates a moral hazard that will last many decades and the consequences will be more dire. Granted, it will get real bad under Trump, but we made this bed.
@@dsmith33 well it’s a sincere semi rhetorical question. We know American-Israeli relations are important enough that it shapes policy, media coverage and conversation. Not so much here, we talk about Gaza’s crisis in terms of their humanitarian situation and statehood, the spread of Israeli violence into Iran. It’s been just over a year since the kidnapping and killing of Israeli citizens and we’ve forgotten that, no idea how many hostages they have but we know what happened yesterday in Gaza.
I'd also always heard to pronounced at "seek" and "seekism", and there are apparently some members of the Sikh community who do use that pronunciation. But it seems like the culturally correct pronunciation is indeed "sick" and"sickism".
You dont think she will solve the Gaza in next 3 weeks even by taking your positions? Well obviously not working hard enough. Keep discussing football boys. Take on the middle east at half time.
What if both Israel and the nations of the Middle East are being played by the West, South American and East Asian powers? It's an interesting thought exercise, you should try it😊
Such a nuanced discussion about how Israel is a nation of war criminals and the Gazans are poor innocents. We also have children crying looking for their mothers, does that not count? What about the fact that there are 100 hostages in Gaza, does that not count? I guess Tommy’s heart only goes out to certain people.
1k dead vs 40k dead. You just got 20 billion, why are you crying? Did Biden also send 20 billion to your neighbors you deem inferior? Sorry you dont have enough living space, you ought to read some German literature, real relatable stuff.
@@user36112 I normally would not defend Netanyahu, but it is funny to hear people like you saying that the hostages are a pawn for him and not even mention the people who kidnapped them to use them as pawns, like your buddy Sinwar
@@omarm316 Writing "people like you" when you don't know anything about them. You aren't doing your cause any favors. And before you go lumping me in with user36112 I have been a supporter Israel and I think the country both has the right to defend itself and had to respond to the atrocities of October 7 . But I also think the shock-and-awe campaign by Netanyahu and other hard-liners was the wrong choice and has put Israel in much more danger than it faced before October 7.
If you don't have an Idea of Indian position on Canadian problem try and find out what Indian govt and the MEA are saying and atleast put that perspective also and understand the concerns being expressed Just don't act like a Trudeau Mouthpiece
Curious how the hell Israel is supposed to negotiate a ceasefire when Sinwar has refused to do so. For a ceasefire to be negotiated you need two parties, clearly they are not. Obviously Bibi ( i think less so, they should have given the guy immunity so he had more room to ignore his coalition partners)and his rightwing coalition partners ( obviously more so) don’t want a ceasefire but there are still people in both the government, military,security services and opposition who do. Seemingly nobody in Gaza is able to force a ceasefire upon Sinwar nor are the Arab states ( his sponsors) really serious about lessening the suffering of the Palestinian population. They like the status quo just fine as long as they don’t have to admit defeat or the destruction of Hamas.
Hamas has literally agreed to multiple deals in the past year. It has been widely reported (including in the Israeli press) that Netanyahu has been the one making negotiations impossible by continuously changing the terms and not wanting an actual ceasefire but to continue destroying Gaza and genociding Palestinians
@@felixenigma4335 “We’ve never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas.” - Matthew Miller, U.S. State Department spokesman on Oct 2, 2024. (Edited to reflect exact quote).
Regarding the categorization of the FDP in Germany, it’s not entirely accurate to refer to this party as ‘Libertarian’ nor as ‘Liberal’ in the US-sense. FDP is referred to as the ‘Liberals’ in Germany/EU with more of a sense of what might be referred to as Classical Liberalism: market-fundamentalist oriented Liberalism capital L. This at least in western continental Europe, including, say France, is commonly the usage of the word Liberal and perhaps has a usage corollary in the way that ‘Neo-Liberal’ is used in contemporary US… i often heard the French speaking of « an excess of liberalism », in this manner… thusly in some sense aligned with deregulating markets, including say the market of same-sex/same-gender marriage. But a classical Liberal, to some degree, also has an eye on the status quo, even if reformed, insofar as it has characteristics of preserving market operability, whereas a Libertarian perhaps has more radical stances of anti-clericalism, anti-statism, anti-governance to the point of wanting total overhaul of status quo preserving systems. Think, perhaps, as a literary analogy: Diderot versus De Sade. Neither are fond of the Church, but Diderot perhaps would allow for the cultural institution while wishing to reform its influence over the state, whilst De Sade wants cannibalism for example to also be legal and unregulated. Olaf Scholz’s Social Democratic party is more of the ‘left-half’ of the US Democratic party à la Bernie and AOC, with roots in labor representation, etc.
Maybe you need an October 7th from Maga in your town to convince you that there's a difference? That's like saying you don't see the difference between Taco Bell hot sauce and molten lava. Put some molten lava on your tongue if you can't tell the difference.
It is really cathartic to hear Tommy and Ben humanize Palestinians. The footage of Shaban burning alive, and of the little boy consoling his wailing younger brother are also ones that have been seared into my heart. Also seared are the statements of Gallant, Netanyahu, Herzog on how they would annhilate Gaza. If media coverage were honest in the US, more Americans would understand why the first two are under indictment for genocide.
Unfortunately it means nothing to the democrat party; Neoliberalism is their goal and desire…and that means to seek to always remove roadblocks to empire
What’s shameful about this past year is that everyone in power and adjacent to power has known, in detail, what’s happening. Which means that they wake up and go to sleep everyday and they are okay with it. Some of them love it. Fucking sick
Biden is a demon. And to think that Trump would be a thousand times worse is a living nightmare.
Israel is really at the end of the “…living long enough to see yourself become the villain” character arc. A country founded from the ashes of the Shoah (which, regardless of what Israel says, is the historic truth) is now committing some of same crimes against their neighbors. It is both horrific and shameful to watch.
Now? This isn’t the first invasion of Gaza or Lebanon
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 no, but it's the first time that there doesn't appear to be any intention of stopping.
@@LincolnDWard I think it’s fairer to say that this is the first time no one has stopped them from carrying out their intentions.
Turns out the Israelis have no problem with Nazi ideology per se, only the details about which group constitutes the Master Race, which groups are broadly tolerated provided they collaborate with the Master Race, and which group constitutes the Untermensch (sub-humans.)
Huh? Israel doesn't deny that Israel was founded on the ashes of the Shoah. I should add that more than half of all Israeli Jews are Arab countries. One can criticize Israeli policy and still not agree you.
Please more of Tommy's German accent going forward
You should also mention that Israel's behavior in Gaza is a violation of US law. It is currently unlawful to provide military aid to Israel. All US military aid comes with stipulations as to its use. It turns out we generally frown on using our weapons to target civilians.
Don't forget that Antony Blinken lied to Congress saying that Israel wasn't blocking U.S. humanitarian assistance into Gaza, despite his own staff telling him Israel was blocking aid, to make sure U.S. weapons kept flowing to Israel.
Citations needed: 22 USC Chapter 93; (c/o Carnegie Endowment for International Peace): Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, Sec’s 116, 498A, 502B, 620M; 2016 September 14 US-Israel Memorandum of Understanding (MOU); Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act 2024
@@trevinbeattie4888citation: all of the Leahy Laws and amendments, and Leahy stating outright months ago Israel has long been in violation of the laws. Just no will in Congress to act in it. Truly impotent cowardly disgraces
Israel's behavior is NOT a violation of US law. Hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but US law does not extend outside the US. It is the US itself that is violating its own law.
Giving weapons to Isreal is a US issue, not an Israeli issue
Thanks for bringing up Israeli and Palestinian nuance and for being as horrified as I am. It seems as if most mainstream media is just ignoring the situation in Gaza. Thank goodness Jewish Voices for Peace had their action the other day. I appreciate your concern for how this is affecting the Israeli”s who are enforcing this brutality. The talking point of Israel having the right to defend itself has become beyond hollow as Gaza is being pulverized. Netanyahu and his cronies will be judged by history and they will join the most reviled brutes.
I never tire of your sports banter or overall banter. I truly enjoy it.
So grateful to both of you for your unrelenting efforts to inform us about what is going on there.
I feel like they've been pretty clear about how bad it's been.
Thanks! I agree. I think some of the comments are unreasonably critical. Ben and Tommy have been consistently good on this issue. Especially considering the blowback and the total lack of real criticism from the msm.
Tommy… thank you for calling attention to those horrifying videos. It is so important to bear witness to the particular horrors of war. What we see is barbaric and should never be ignored or explained away. Thank you.
Thank you for highlighting the humanitarian catastrophe and war crimes in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank. Those saying that this is Hamas' fault are blind to the blood on our hands. Those children would not be burning alive in hospitals if not for:
- the IDF
- Netanyahu
- American-made jets and bombs
- the American taxpayer dollars to pay for those jets and bombs
- the blocking of medical aid
WE. CAN. STOP. THIS. SUFFERING.
You forgot to blame
- Hamas (actually you basically said it's not their fault)
- Hamas not allowing a single civilian to go to the tunnels for safety
- Hamas not giving back hostages and surrendering
- Hamas for starting the war on October 7th
- The parents that voted for Hamas in 2006
- The 2nd Intifada of Hamas terrorist bombings that created the wall (the "open air prison" and the "apartheid terrotory" for a people that state they are the enemy of Israel)
- The polling that shows your average Palestinian by a large majority wants 9 million Israelis to not exist
- UNWRA schoolbooks talking about killing Jews in elementary math
- UNWRA funding 400 MILES of terror tunnels (their largest 19 year public works project)
- A lack of water infrastructure because Hamas used it to build weapons
- Hamas operating out of hospitals
- The US for funding Hamas via the UN and directly
- The EU for funding Hamas via the UN and directly
- Trump for ending the Iranian nuclear deal
- Biden for returning $10 billion in funding to Iran
- IRGC
- Hezbollah
- The Houthis
- The Muslim Brotherhood Islamist extremists
- Also why just blame Bibi? Smotrich and Ben Gvir are WAY WORSE.
This problem comes down to Palestinians wanting a Palestine "from the river to the sea". If they could just negotiate a neighborly coexistence with Israel they wouldn't have a war. And to do that, you need to get rid of the extremists that run both territories. Should Israel get rid of them? Ideally not. Palestinians should get rid of them. You can't have peace with hatred for Israel. And it took a lot for Smotrich and Ben Gvir to gain power. They would easily be voted out if there was a path to peace. They have long been seen as dangerous to Israel. The only use they have is in wartime as a vicious decision makers against vicious enemies.
@@t-townfoxtrot5181Hamas is a terrorist group, why would a terrorist group let citizens into tunnels or give back hostages without reaching their objectives? Dear god, stop simping for terrorist groups and treating them like governments, it's disgusting. Say it with me: Hamas is a terrorist group.
@@jmhorangeexactly Govts should be held to a higher accountability then terrorist groups.
The gay German FDP politician you were referencing was probably Guido Westerwelle. He sadly died of leukemia in 2016. Probably the last decent leader the FDP has had. They've been turning hard conservative, laissez-faire capitalist libertarian under Lindner.
12:35 the American mainstream media have been woefully negligent when it comes to the harrowing tragedy in Gaza.
There is a difference between negligence and active complicity.
"nearly identical"?! Try MUCH worse on orders of magnitude!
Yes, a pattern of nearly identical events on an ongoing basis is many orders of magnitude worse than a single event. That's what he said.
Very interesting and informative interview with Saad Mohseni.
“It’s hard to figure out what’s happening” no it’s not. They’re doing what they’ve been saying they would do since week one: no food, no water, no fuel. Typical both-sidesism to complicate what is laid bare. And of course taking the Iz government at face value is problem No. 1. It’s getting really sickening tbh.
ETA: Thank you Ben for pushing back on Tommy’s wishy washiness
Strongly urge everyone to listen to Barbados PM speech at UN. And Trinadad and Tobago. And you get a sence of how much global power US has lost.
I appreciate Ben speaking freely and blaming the administration. Tommy on the other hand is not puttin the same responsability to the administration or atleast publicly. Propably because he supports Kamala and blaming the administration is blaming her too.
She has little control over this! People are ignorant.
@@markbantz9699 Then dont support it or offer that you are going to do something diffrent than Biden. She literally said she wont do anything diffrent if she’s elected.
@@user-hm5mw9er3y Did she say that? Enjoy the Trump presidency. He'll be so much better on these issues. Grins.
@@jaimebergner How do you feel about the palestinian gencide?
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Bibi has taken free reign despite agreements with this administration, turmp would hand him free reign, & it would be even uglier.
Free Palestine.
War is hell but humanity loves it so much. We keep doing it over and over again.
FYI - The way you guys completely ignore Israel's security needs, and give Palestinian leaders absolutely no agency for the responsibility of 75 years of bad decision making, has led so many Jews and others who have been lifelong Democrats to vote for Trump.
Here's a security tip. Make peace with your Neighbours. Isreal is the odd one out, you have to assimilate with them. Not the other way around.
The government's response to Isreal is just pathetic at best
I wouldn't describe enabling and colluding with genocide as "pathetic" ... more "horrific".
@@catherinebirch8263 The phrase "at best" hard for you to understand?
Love Ben for taking his daughter to her first baseball game. I was five when my dad took me to a dodgers game in 1957 in LA. One of my most cherished and joyous memories of that guy. Gentlemen, this was a great podcast. One for the age. more prescient than you might even know. I mean India is mad at Canada. WTF!!! That's new
Very interesting conversation about Afghanistan. Refreshing to hear some nuance about a country and people often presented in the media as a monolith of religious fanatics. The idea that the Afghan people are effecting change on the Taliban gives me some small amount of hope for their future.
Guys why didn't you mention anything about the US Journalists Jeremy Lofredo being arrested.
I really enjoyed that interview, thank you. This is such a great podcast. There's nothing else really like it forgetting international news.
Some of the people on irans list should do protective custody in a federal penitentiary.
Thank you
New to this podcast. Very good, insightful stuff, gentlemen. Thanks!
You're probably thinking of Guido Westerwelle who used to run the FDP back in the day. Your german accents are atrocious and I'm here for it! Also nice to be in the news here and it not being about the AFD...
Tommy's accent sounds so Austrian, as if he'd copied it from Christoph Waltz 😂
@@vanessah5217 lol, exactly! I kinda with they'd gotten deeper into the bit ^^
52:15 Thank you Tommy! As if anybody was asking these people to be less clear!
Besides US troops being in harm’s way, there is very little discussion about people like McGurk actually facing Congress. Shouldn’t the American people be able to ask him some questions through our elected leaders?
Exactly. 100% Amous too!!!
Thanks again
Oh, I don't tire of your sports banter. I hear "Sports" and I skip. Like I just did
Remember the "aid" pier that was probably just an assassination platform? It lasted days.
We've had a very targeted media and social discourse against BeBe I guess Israel compared to the ongoing suffering of the Palestinians. Australia has historically supported the US in every war when other countries have not, however over the last 10 years we have been listening to Europe so much more. Australia wants Israel to cease fire, let international aid in and be held accountable for crimes against Gaza populations. The US wields the strongest influence with Israel so if you can't calm BeBe down and force a cease fire then wtf are you hoping for?
That because like most western allies. The people in those countries are turning away from Stupid US wars . US is loosing it's Primacy.
Netanyahu faces prison in Israel (bribery, fraud, corruption), and has nothing to lose- he'll either be a hero, or go out in a blaze. His behavior indicates that he has a deal with something equal to or greater than US, or that Israel just doesnt need US anymore.
Selectively looking at individual, horrific occurrences in Gaza does nothing to address the issue. You literally said "If someone did this to me I would hate you," referring to Palestinian victims. Well guess what? It WAS done to the Jews. And they are feeling and are responding exactly as you suggested you would feel. Both sides have legitimate grievances. Both sides can point to unthinkable atrocities to justify violence and retaliation. Both sides are acting in accordance with their interests and objectives. Putting all of the responsibility to end the conflict on only one side is nonsensical and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. The only way to even begin to meaningful opinion on this issue is to consider the ultimate objectives of each side. The Jews have clearly demonstrated that their ultimate goal is to live peacefully with their Arab neighbors. They have succeeded in that goal with many of them. They say it over and over. The goal of Hamas is to eliminate the state of Israel and establish some sort of caliphate. Both of those goals are legitimate for those who aim for them. But for us spectators understanding those big picture objectives is much more important than wringing our hands over suffering Palestinian children. That suffering breaks all of our hearts. And we have to look at it in the bigger context. It's so much more complex than 'people who drop bombs are bad.'
Israelis and Palestinians might have legitimate grievances. But the Israelis have a government. The Palestinians have Hamas, a terrorist group, and the weak Palestinian Authority, which is basically an Israeli puppet and has done nothing to stop illegal Israel settlements. Israeli left Hamas in power for 16 years, they funneled money to Hamas, they supported Hamas. When Israel says it had a ceasefire with Hamas on Oct 6th, think about what Israel is saying. They were happy to make peace with a terrorist group who calls for the destruction of Israel...
This is nonsense, the point of a government is to prevent violence, it's why we have them. Without a government, people will resort to violence, terrorist groups and organized crime. Israel is acting like it doesn't even have a government, the Israeli government is behaving just like Hamas, a terrorist group. The Israeli government needs to step up, and achieve peace, the purpose of any government in history. Why is the Israeli government so focused on making sure Palestinians do not have a government of their own? What do they think is going to happen, that Palestinians will eventually give up and abandon violence? There has been no group of humans who have done that without an actual government. The Israelis have a government, the Palestinians do not.
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Hamas effectively rules Palestine, it is the government. If Isreali government has achieved peace for 16 years by funding it, it proves that it did achieve peace, even if only by appeasement, which always fails at some point. Hamas, terrorist group/gov, achieved peace by taking the funding, but rather than spending it on infrastructure, invested in weapons & ended the peace with an act of war. Netanyahu, having tried peace via payment (as you describe), will doubtless achieve peace- after a lot of horrific violence.
People do make the argument (Bill Maher, who is a half-smart, sarcastic prick, and Scott Galloway, who is actually smart and fairly sincere), that Israeli bombing of civilians in Gaza is comparable to the allied bombing of German cities in World War II. Galloway argues that the Israeli bombing is less indiscriminate than for example the fire bombing of Dresden.
Of course this historical relativism is pretty simplistic and facile. We could argue for days about whether a supposed Nazi sympathy in the general population was defeated by killing tens of thousands, just as you guys properly point out that killing Palestinian civilians does not create understanding for the Israeli position.
I do not believe that Palestinian victimhood automatically endows the Palestinian cause with some kind of nobility. I am not a kefiyah kid. From the river to the sea exists not just as a slogan, but also as a program. The problem is that when we take one side or another in this conflict - instead of our own serious demand for a peaceful solution - we tend to support one side by piling up the many wrongs of the other side and claiming that they override or justify the wrongs of our side. But this conflict has degenerated into a conflict between extremes: Hamas/Hesbollah and Netanyahu/Smotrich/Ben Gvir.
As Americans we need (like Ben and Tommy) to pUsh for our own ideas of a peace based on adherence to international law.
No one is saying that Palestinians are “morally right” and “Israel is wrong”or that “Hamas/Hezbollah” are right and “Netanyahu/Ben Gvir/Smotrich are wrong”. Saying that “suffering doesn’t give you moral authority” is a line that you stole from Ta-Nehisi Coates to argue against a claim no one is making.
This is a war of extremes but the extremes are not “Hamas” or “Netanyahu” - they are both on the same side of the extremes. The real extremes are “human rights and rule of law” vs “apartheid and genocide”. You shouldn’t need to be a “keffiyah kid” to know which of those is morally right and which deserve our condemnation.
Bill Maher may be “half smart” but he’s fully an asshole. Scott Galloway is overrated.
This is not comparable to Dresden or any battle in any other war in recent history with the exception of Nanking or maybe an isolated incident where some US military commander went psycho on a village in Vietnam.
Palestinian civilians were not killed as “collateral damage” in the targeting of some other group. The “we just want to destroy Hamas” line that Israel feeds people was always a myth - just like “the tunnels” underneath Shifa hospital. Israel has never been particularly concerned about distinguishing civilians from militants. All Palestinians are the same to Netanyahu. He thinks they’re “all polluting the land G-d reserved for the Jewish people” and they need to go.
@@TPaine76 I would mostly agree except to point out that the extremes on both sides advocate for genocide and not for a peace governed by law. The pronouncements of the IDF are cynical. The claims of “resistance” on the part of Hamas are hollow.
@@JamesReichert-h5v right. That’s why I specifically said that “Hamas and Netanyahu are on the *same side* of that extreme” (ie genocide)
Better late than never, but it’s a little funny to hear Ben and Tommy describe what Zionism does to people’s sense of humanity and rationality. The inability to see Palestinians as human is a feature-not a bug. This is what supremacy is and what it does. I appreciate that they’re talking about it, but I also think it warrants self reflection on their part regarding their role in the normalization of dehumanizing the Palestinians over the past year.
Guys who’ve worked in foreign policy for two decades just realizing ethnic supremacy makes someone psychotic.
The rest of the world figured that out in a few months just looking at what the IDF posts themselves doing
What gets me is that some people genuinely believe " they are the special people of God". Reminds me of the Indian cast system. Messed up.
Better late than never? He still hasn't said what you just said. He's talking about the current violence, not the ZN concept as a whole. That's a bridge too far for a useless centrist to cross.
@@yessum15 Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess I’m talking more about the fact that they’re addressing the hypocrisy of Iz defenders at all is a step forward.
@@aricurtis1365 Paying lip service to the notion that violence is bad while reinforcing the primary driver of that violence is not a step forward.
They repeatedly reaffirm the validity ZN, and have never once referred to the current conflict as a "gen", and constantly downplay our ownership of it. They have not once called for the prosecution of anyone involved.
Have you guys not heard of the human shield strategy.... seriously? Or you don't want to? I'm out of here, can't listen to you.
Yeah they have. They just aren't dumb enough to believe it after doo many indiscriminate bombs.
Israel has said for over a decade Hamas and Hezbollah use human shields. They also know most of the world doesn't buy that argument. So one would think before Israel started its war, that it would take into account that the world doesn't buy the human shield and would blame Israel for the deaths and cut off diplomatic ties.
So even if it's true Hamas and Hezbollah use human shields, you'd think Israel would try to limit civilian deaths to avoid the world blaming Israel and harming their diplomatic ties, or at the very least, anticipate that the world would blame Israel and insulate their society from this criticism. The surprising thing is Israel seems completely caught off guard that world opinion of Israel has dropped significantly since civilians deaths have continued to rise in Gaza.
@@gordonbuchalter1017 the mossad HQ is located at the center of a very vibrant neighborhood... So spare us the human shield hasbara BS.
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Netanyahu just doesnt seem to care.
We Americans are as guilty of burning that young boy alive in the hospital courtyard as the IDF.
yet another thing we need to be ashamed of, we are gross
Are we then also guilty of the events on Oct 7th because we supply humanitarian aid that gets sold by Hamas for weapons?
@@samhenr2392 you mean that one day attack vs more than a year of supporting genocide?
@@samhenr2392 If you want to equate the diversion of US humanitarian aid by Hamas and Israel intentionally dropping a bomb on a hospital courtyard full of civilians, go ahead. If those two actions are morally equivalent, then I have nothing to say.
@@bikerd12 all I'm saying is when we give Isreal arms and give Hamas aid it's with the intention that they use it responsibly, clearly on both sides that's not the case. I don't understand why I, an American, am only responsible for Isreal actions and not Hamas (even though we supply both sides)
I'm not even into sports or at least the sports you guys usually talk about, but I still enjoy the banter. XD
Why are you guys not talking about Ukraine? Why are you so incredibly obsessed with Israel and the Middle East? Have you forgotten that there is a literal full-scale war in Europe?
Those videos had questions raised and demands for sanctions in the UK Parliament a couple of times.
Wether they will come is another thing.
But they are becoming more strident calls
Nobody gets in trouble for horribly stereotypical German accents lol. Mocking what Hollywood thinks we sound like is just like telling jokes about how Americans love killing black/brown kids; the target of the mockery is too powerful and resentment against them is too strong to elicit significant sympathy.
And since nobody feels like it’s bullying / you’re punching down, you can dismiss anyone who is offended as lacking a sense of humor.
oh no lol Ben and his daughter got stuck in that meme photo of all the cars leaving Dodger stadium
36 minutes, no mention of hostages. hard to take you seriously.
Netanyahu doesn't care about them
Ben & Tommy, Trans-national repression is quite common for both India and Pakistan. Sadly they both learn from one another. Actually if anything, India probably initially learnt from the corrupt Pakistani Generals in how to control their diaspora, intimidate and suppress them.
Agree Ben, when it comes to human rights line should not be crossed. Just look at the poor Pakistani people. Abused, torchered and exploited by the corrupt Paksitani Generals and no one says anything.
As a former national security advisor, I would have imagined he would have brought up Hezbollahs 'Operation Galilee'
I wish they would cover why this is America's issue instead of an issue for Egypt, Jordan, or any other neighbor of Israel. How did we get so tightly wrapped up in this?
there Americas guns and bombs.
@@tommymoyna8410 No they aren't, we sold them to Israel. They're Israeli bombs and guns now.
Because we're arming them and now sending our soldiers.
@@imnadia84yes but the poster is asking WHY.
The US wants a friendly base in the middle east and a constant flow of weapons creation and sales.
16 minutes, no mention of the hostages.
Netanyahu never cared about them.
I really wonder sometimes if it's nice there, on Earth 2 where you live.
The UN forces in Lebanon are either blind scarecrows or downright complicit, helping out Hezbollah.
Oh and you think you have a problem with the Muslims in Michigan. Well, you do, but it's not the problem you think.
We are doing your dirty work for you. You're welcome.
Also, the moment you said you get your news on Israel from the BBC, it became clear to me you have zero chance of seeing the full story, of ever seeing the Israeli side.
BBC has lost credibility over the last 15 years, for sure. Very disappointing.
I dont think it's the only source for their news, though.
Buddy go to CNN or ABC they have drank your cool aid of denial of Isreal war crimes.
Speaking of a German politician giving Orbán shit while dripping in sarcasm, how about the fact that he ends with "step down and make Hungary great again." lol
We are not all on twitter, but Netanyahu will never stop. It’s so all depressing
Who’s here after Yahya’s assassination??
Gotta bite my tongue as regards Trump campaign requesting military escort. If the threat is real, he should stay safe and not do random rallies
You asked for everyone to stop saying "Let me be clear". Can we also add, "Well(,) listen" to that? Its annoyingly repetitive, but specifically, it makes NO SENSE to say that to someone who just asked you a question. They are quite obviously already listening
And "look..." to someone who is looking at you as you are speaking. Also, variations like "well, look, you know, i mean...".
I’m a Mets fan too!!! Let’s hope they win tonight..series tied!!
58:40 could this have been Guido Westerwelle?
Good pod today - just a reflection the hyper nationalism of India and China towards people in other nations is a less robust form of Israel’s approach to people they ethnically identify with….
Based on past experience there is no reason to assume that the founder laptop is genuine
This is the Dahiya doctrine. Google/Wikipedia it.
What am I missing…..of coarse Kamala could something meaningful and impactful about Gaza!!! She should do it today. STOP apologizing for her. Usually I go after Tommy but, Ben, really? Her hands are tied? What by AIPAC?
Nearly equivalent? Tommy, play this over, did you really mean that?
What is this doing to Israelis……it is exactly what is happening here with the normalizing of white supremacy….it has ALWAYS been there…the mask has just been pulled off. This is what Israel has always been
Ok that's me out at @16:34 I am so sorry but this is truly out of my circle of control. forgive my weekness but I don't have the ability to parse these sorts of facts without mental illness consequences.
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Bibi wants to show us balls again lock him up
Tommy, a heads-up on the way to pronounce Sikh: seek
I believe it is actually pronounced “sick” I worked with a Sikh women for many years
wikipedia allows for both pronunciations with "sick" coming first. I have a bias for the latter because, I guess, of what the former connotes.@@katinkagoncalves913
@katinagonclaves913 With respect, Tommy does indeed have it right if one wishes to defer (honour) to the pronunciation use by adherents of Sikhism (say, "Sick-ism"). The "Seek" and "Seek-ism" likely has its roots in British colonialism.
Cheers
@@WilliamStrider-jb7qx With respect, what it connotes from an English Speaker's perspective, yeah?
Cheers
Cheers
@@kesart8378 you are probably right…remember when upper class Brit’s used to pronounce Kenya…”keeenya”?
The casualness that these two, very good dudes, are talking about a state sponsored terrorism, shows how successful the boiling frog strategy is.
To be clear, these guys are talking about Israel engaging in strategy that is literal Nazism, terrorism, etc.
Israel is a terrorist state at this point. The government and if we are honest, many of its people, are either terrorists or sympathizers of terrorism. We are just not materially different from a nation like Iran on the very specific subject of our support for Israel and what we will allow.
That is deeply disturbing and I feel like some wacko, conspiracy theorist, but objectively, we are knowingly supporting terrorism on a level that is so far beyond isis, Al queida or any terrorist groups. And the tactics are equally brutal. Starvation is far more brutal than a gun shot.
Again, if you are objective and simply view this on paper as a non US citizen, I don’t know how you come to different conclusions.
And once my party does that, I can no longer vote for them. And yes, I realize the other guys are worse, but I also believe continuation of my support, for the party that is responsible for this, creates a moral hazard that will last many decades and the consequences will be more dire. Granted, it will get real bad under Trump, but we made this bed.
Rock & hard place.
Jets pick up devante, bills pick up amari, and all I can hope for is drake maye is the guy.
🇨🇦LEFT PARTY IS #NDP
When are we finally going to realize we’re sleepwalking through a repeat of the 1930s again?
Sorry what happened in 1930?
@@anthecrawford3957 is that an earnest question?
right around 2048 probably.
@@dsmith33 well it’s a sincere semi rhetorical question. We know American-Israeli relations are important enough that it shapes policy, media coverage and conversation. Not so much here, we talk about Gaza’s crisis in terms of their humanitarian situation and statehood, the spread of Israeli violence into Iran.
It’s been just over a year since the kidnapping and killing of Israeli citizens and we’ve forgotten that, no idea how many hostages they have but we know what happened yesterday in Gaza.
@@dsmith33 well yes it was a sincere question because a lot happened in the 1930’s.
President. Biden should be done with Netanyahu
Pres Biden has always thought people should negotiate. For get it. Be done with Israel leadership
Biden is a war criminal like Bush and Chainey.
US is losing cred because of bibi- intentionally to help his buddie turmp.
I wish you would bookmark the sports banter so i can skip it
Fuck yeah, I get to be that guy and point out the typo in the title of the second chapter of the video on the timeline.
Thanks for the laugh!👍🖖
You guys are so funny 😂
28:44 Tommy did the Biden thing, as a way to end a sentence....😂
Four minutes? A long boring slog at the top, guys.
Mets? ...never heard of 'em
I, for one, love the sports talk. I just hate that you all have such bad tastes in teams. I'll live though! (Go Yanks!)
Tommy, they are not "sicks". Please google how to pronounce it properly.
Check again.
I'd also always heard to pronounced at "seek" and "seekism", and there are apparently some members of the Sikh community who do use that pronunciation. But it seems like the culturally correct pronunciation is indeed "sick" and"sickism".
This is why Iran wants nukes and I can't blame them.
You dont think she will solve the Gaza in next 3 weeks even by taking your positions? Well obviously not working hard enough. Keep discussing football boys. Take on the middle east at half time.
What if both Israel and the nations of the Middle East are being played by the West, South American and East Asian powers? It's an interesting thought exercise, you should try it😊
If only Isreal lobby didn't control politicians
This might sound dumb but this episode DEFINITELY needed a trigger warning.
Such a nuanced discussion about how Israel is a nation of war criminals and the Gazans are poor innocents. We also have children crying looking for their mothers, does that not count? What about the fact that there are 100 hostages in Gaza, does that not count? I guess Tommy’s heart only goes out to certain people.
1k dead vs 40k dead. You just got 20 billion, why are you crying? Did Biden also send 20 billion to your neighbors you deem inferior? Sorry you dont have enough living space, you ought to read some German literature, real relatable stuff.
I bet Nazis saw themselves as victims too
Tell that to Netanyahu. Who doesn't care about the hostages. They are just a pawn for him to continue his war crimes. That's why he renigs every deal
@@user36112 I normally would not defend Netanyahu, but it is funny to hear people like you saying that the hostages are a pawn for him and not even mention the people who kidnapped them to use them as pawns, like your buddy Sinwar
@@omarm316 Writing "people like you" when you don't know anything about them. You aren't doing your cause any favors. And before you go lumping me in with user36112 I have been a supporter Israel and I think the country both has the right to defend itself and had to respond to the atrocities of October 7 . But I also think the shock-and-awe campaign by Netanyahu and other hard-liners was the wrong choice and has put Israel in much more danger than it faced before October 7.
2:48 feels like a personal attack. and insulting a swing state days before an election tsk tsk
If you don't have an Idea of Indian position on Canadian problem try and find out what Indian govt and the MEA are saying and atleast put that perspective also and understand the concerns being expressed
Just don't act like a Trudeau Mouthpiece
Modi is a caring humanitarian... Said no one.
Not a great idea to piss off Philly fans…
I’m listening from outside the US and you might as well have started out in Hebrew. Maybe remember that your audience is international?
Love the dog whistle. Andy, are you a Nazi?
@@t-townfoxtrot5181you sound like Alan J
@@user36112 I don't know who that is, but okay.
Curious how the hell Israel is supposed to negotiate a ceasefire when Sinwar has refused to do so. For a ceasefire to be negotiated you need two parties, clearly they are not.
Obviously Bibi ( i think less so, they should have given the guy immunity so he had more room to ignore his coalition partners)and his rightwing coalition partners ( obviously more so) don’t want a ceasefire but there are still people in both the government, military,security services and opposition who do. Seemingly nobody in Gaza is able to force a ceasefire upon Sinwar nor are the Arab states ( his sponsors) really serious about lessening the suffering of the Palestinian population. They like the status quo just fine as long as they don’t have to admit defeat or the destruction of Hamas.
Hamas has literally agreed to multiple deals in the past year. It has been widely reported (including in the Israeli press) that Netanyahu has been the one making negotiations impossible by continuously changing the terms and not wanting an actual ceasefire but to continue destroying Gaza and genociding Palestinians
Well maybe if Israel didn’t assassinate Hamas’s chief negotiator! Stop drinking the Israeli koolaid - they are the main blocker to a deal.
@@felixenigma4335 “We’ve never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas.” - Matthew Miller, U.S. State Department spokesman on Oct 2, 2024.
(Edited to reflect exact quote).
Marry me, Tommy ❤
Regarding the categorization of the FDP in Germany, it’s not entirely accurate to refer to this party as ‘Libertarian’ nor as ‘Liberal’ in the US-sense. FDP is referred to as the ‘Liberals’ in Germany/EU with more of a sense of what might be referred to as Classical Liberalism: market-fundamentalist oriented Liberalism capital L. This at least in western continental Europe, including, say France, is commonly the usage of the word Liberal and perhaps has a usage corollary in the way that ‘Neo-Liberal’ is used in contemporary US… i often heard the French speaking of « an excess of liberalism », in this manner… thusly in some sense aligned with deregulating markets, including say the market of same-sex/same-gender marriage. But a classical Liberal, to some degree, also has an eye on the status quo, even if reformed, insofar as it has characteristics of preserving market operability, whereas a Libertarian perhaps has more radical stances of anti-clericalism, anti-statism, anti-governance to the point of wanting total overhaul of status quo preserving systems. Think, perhaps, as a literary analogy: Diderot versus De Sade. Neither are fond of the Church, but Diderot perhaps would allow for the cultural institution while wishing to reform its influence over the state, whilst De Sade wants cannibalism for example to also be legal and unregulated. Olaf Scholz’s Social Democratic party is more of the ‘left-half’ of the US Democratic party à la Bernie and AOC, with roots in labor representation, etc.
I fail to see a difference between Hamas and Maga
One is in the US, the other in the Middle East?
Maybe you need an October 7th from Maga in your town to convince you that there's a difference? That's like saying you don't see the difference between Taco Bell hot sauce and molten lava. Put some molten lava on your tongue if you can't tell the difference.
One is a resistance group to illegal occupation, the other is trying to illegally occupy their own government.
There's a reason the MAGA crowd with their flag-festooned vehicles get called Y'all Qaeda.
Tough shit for the Palestinian endorsers of Hamas. Zero sympathy.