What EMOTION do different solo Woodwinds give?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- We take a look at five different solo woodwind instruments and see what emotional effect they have on the same melody - what feeling does each instrument bring to the party?
I always go with what feels good, not with what sounds good. No need to label what I feel, just feeling😎
Great video, thank you so much, by the way!
For me, Paul, the Cor Anglais is one of the most beautiful instruments overall, especially as a featured soloist. The warmth and wistfulness of the instrument have always tugged at me. I appreciate your breakdown of these five woodwind instruments with your take on the emotions that they stir in a listener and overall tend to agree with your assessments of them all. These are the kinds of videos that I find great value in, so know that I deeply appreciate the time and effort you put into them. Cheers!
The flute is definitely in my opinion the most soulful. Nice and useful vid thanks!
Thanks Paul. Oboe - stately? I normally use the term aloof to describe the oboe. As a clarinet/flute/saxophone player I may be biased but I generally agree that the flute is the most emotive, closely followed by the clarinet. A good replacement for the oboe is the soprano sax, same general register as oboe but has more of a "vocal" quality, but that opens the whole "saxophone in the orchestra" debate.
I could not agree more. Spitfire audio should open the treasure-box of the "classical played saxophone(s)".
@@idw_audio_it currently the best "classically played" soprano sax is made by Vienna Symphonic Library, which is very old - definitely a gap in the market there!
Perfect explanations! Please do more of these orchestration brain storming topics!!!!
I think bassons in the middle (to higher) register definitely sound really warm and add so much depth. Though I probably wouldn't use them for a long complicated solo line but rather counter melodies.
Having played in an orchestra (trombone) I personally love the sound of breath in there, it feels more alive and real. I never liked the oboe to be honest. I love hearing little sounds in the Spitfire samples, like a tiny cough I think I heard in Albion One, or a chair creak, or turning a sheet of music. Not being a fan of woodwinds every now and then a solo like this is quite beautiful!!
One thing I'd like to add is that I love using bass clarinets in the high register -- wonderful color to try if you want something different and have Symphonic Woodwinds!~
OMG Paul that tunes is so beautiful SOLD LOL
Thanks, nice showcasing! I like them all but for me clarinet has a certain... majesty to it.
Majestic! Like it!
I love how you're uploading videos constantly these days, Paul! Please keep it up :)
Since the woodwinds are so different within their section, this is a very interesting and potentially subjective topic.
A thing that came to mind about the oboe was that probably the melody was also in a register where the instrument is less expressive.
The english horn in fact was more expressive and I found the bassoon almost fragile, in a good way. Especially without strings playing.
Again, great topic!
Thanks Davide - yes agree re the range and also the Bassoon being fragile !
This melody would sound amazing on an alto saxophone, maybe one that was a part of a well sampled classical saxophone library, maybe a library coming from a highly respected instrument sampling company... Just a thought.
I was about to make an almost identical comment, but you beat me to it! 👍😉
Haha! point taken!! *John Harle has entered the chat*
I feel like the flute and oboe were the most emotive in this piece. One of my favourite uses of solo woodwinds in a film score is ‘Bond Meets Stacey’ from A View to a Kill by John Barry
An excellent video Paul - thank you.
I quite liked the Oboe, compared to the flute then the Cor anglais came in, that was lovely.
Contrary to most comments here, I think I’d reach for the flute for its intimacy and earthy feel. I like the way the flute crosses genre boundaries and can lend itself to folkyness (that’s not a proper word!). I’ve found playing guitar (low level) at a higher register along with flute yields a lovely tone. Great video! Really appreciate it
Thanks for teaching me!
Hi Paul, thanks for this important video :)
This is really interesting - personally, I think the Oboe is the most emotive of all the woodwinds, but a couple of things are working against it in this piece - a) I don't think this is it's most emotive register (a bit higher is the real plaintive, mournful sound - Tchaikovsky Swan Lake for example) and b) for some reason I've always felt that the Oboe is the least successfully sampled instrument of all orchestral instruments - dunno why, the sampled version just seems further from the real thing than any of the others. Nevertheless, another awesome video Paul - I'd love to hear this with real instruments.....!
Yes, typically, I am always inclined to reference 'Gabriel's oboe' from the The Mission when I consider the ideal register. Just feels right.
Thanks Ian! Yes I know what you mean, the Oboe is quite difficult to sample well! I think it has a very flexible human sound almost like the sax and cello, maybe thats it!
@@PaulThomsonMusicThanks Paul, I did wonder if it might be that - the Oboe's got such a variety of vibrato that I think that hinders the sampling as there's only so many layers you can include! Having said that, Spitfire gets as close as anyone... Also, as someone who mocks up a fair bit of my own big band compositions, you're absolutely right about the saxophone - there really isn't a convincing library out there as yet.... It'll probably take some work convincing CH but maybe a Spitfire Big Band sampling project....?!
@@riversidedances1245 A Spitfire Big Band library! I'd love that 😍
@@davidsinclair699 It would be so useful, hey David? By the way.... I'm actually Ian Tipping (as in, the OP!) but realised I'm replying from another RUclips account....!
Very useful video. Thanks so much!
Thanks Frank!
Bassoon for me, Paul. Just such a pug ugly fun instrument :)...
excelent !!
The oboe is hands down the most beautiful woodwinds instrument in my opinion.
Beautiful melody... I'd love to hear a whole piece based from it. Always learning, thank you!
Thanks Aaron!
Personally I think woodwinds shine best when they are in dialogue with each other. Growing up with Grieg, the intro of Morning Mood is always my reference for that. It sounds like two beings communicating with each other.
This channel is an absolute masterclass. Thank you so much for your time and I hope to be able to use all of this information soon.
Thanks for your kind words Gary!
This is so interesting. I actually always associate the oboe in the flute territory with being super emotional. In fact, for me, I generally favor these kinds of melodies for the oboe. And much like how you were colored by a style of music, I think for me I'm colored by film music. A lot of schmaltzy and overly sentimental cues from movies often are written for oboe. But like you, that's just how I interpret the oboe. Awesome video!
I love the Spitfire Audio libraries.
Thank you!
Barlow Bradford made great use of solo bassoon in his Christmas work Was Not Christ Our Savior. It's a piece that shifts around effortlessly among various theoretical modes, mostly minor at the beginning where the bassoon solos, which gave it a comfortable environment to be evocative. I will say that the conductor had to tell the strings to play down a dynamic level during its solo so that it came through. Good lesson. Both bassoon and low strings have their loudest formant in the "mouth" range - around the area where the human U and O vowels resonate - and their second formant in the buzzy range around 3k. That's probably why, when you double the celli with bassoons, you don't really hear the bassoons - the effect is just to make the celli louder.
Very interesting! thanks!
Thanks Paul, very helpful videos as always.
These videos are great! Thank you Paul!
Mr. Thomson...Ive been lucky enough to have conducted winds for over 30 years. I would ask you to contemplate their Comedic vs Tragic quality, are they a Female or Male voice?, are they played in a professional ensemble by a female or male (very subjective here), ...and what genre do they crossover into easily (flute and clarinet into Jazz and Pop...Oboe ,English Horn, Bassoon not so much. Just food for thought. Bravo for your thought process and video.
Thanks for this Paul and thanks for sharing the CC information. I notice that you have a lot of overlapping notes, is that’s what’s triggering the legato?
Thanks Ryan - yes thats how you get the legato to trigger.
When I want to get a kind of nostalgic and melancholic feeling I often chose the cor anglais, so emotive.
A sad dog waiting for its master who passed away? Cor anglais! A lonely little girl on a desert beach in winter? Cor anglais! An old depressed shepherd alone in the mountain? Cor anglais!
Actualy, despite its quite limited key range, I love this instrument.
Thanks for this!
I couldn't have put it better!
Great video! Althoough, I think expression and dynamics should have been redone for the clarinet. If I remember correctly from my university classes clarinet has by far the biggest dynamic range of all woodwinds, so it can make the clarinet sound very emotional due to tons of colours it can produce - from very soft to loud and active.
I’m sorry… did you say, “mainlining emotion into my brain?”
You did? Yes?
Oh, good. Thank you.
Jason Bourne with the Bassoon in a Mini Cooper?
I like Cor Anglais for this type of melody although the bassoon was quite interesting. I really like flutes following strings when they soar into upper registers. For some reason I'm not a fan of solo flutes unless they are ethnic in origin.
trying to decide between spitfire studio orchestra and symphonic orchestra. The Euphonium in studio brass has me leaning more towards studio orchestra
which libraries did you use for the rest of the orchestra underneath the solo woodwinds?
Hi Paul! Any thoughts on if Spitfire is considering updating Symphonic Woodwinds Pro to have performance legatos? I'm sure it's an insane ordeal. Just thinking it would enhance the appeal/value of the Symphonic Collection.
The flute has the X Factor in this piece, it sounded like it was meant to be there. Beautiful tone here. (Although to use the word flute in the same sentence as X Factor does it a gross disservice.)
haha.. thanks Nick!
The Flute was too shrill for me in this passage.
The Oboe might have worked for me but it seemed too loud in this passage. The Oboe does not give me the feeling of stately.
French Horns, Tubas & Cor Angelis in their mid to high range does that for me.
The Clarinets also have right feel for the piece. Clarinets an octave up become slightly shrill like the flute and a bit too loud. Childhood wonder the Clarinet with this passage.
The bassoon works for this but for me is also too loud.
A Stately sound for me would be something like the theme from Dynasty and in that the Brass takes the lead more so than the woodwinds.
Great Lecture on instrumentation.
Curious you like the flute so, to me it clearly did not do well in this register, much too weak and it really can't carry a main melody. Oboe far better, which you for some reason didn't like even though I found it to be far more emotional, gorgeous nasally tone. Oboe much sadder and flute uplifting so it's curious you found it "stately", makes no sense really.