"I don't know how you all juggle relationships and superheroing" "You have seen our love lives man. The answer is 'not very well'" had me cracking Also co-watching a movie, Also "I just don't think there should be no doubt on where we stand" and just... all of it.
Seeing Jason casually mention “Lois and Clark” (my two favorite DC characters) got me unreasonably giddy. Also really cool to see it being used as a sort of cornerstone and ideal for Tim and Bernard to strive towards. I mained Tim in my first playthrough, but sadly didn’t get a lot of this dialogue. I also appreciate the continuity between Dick and Tim’s last conversation here and the email between Barbara and Jason. And that Barbara had the same idea as Tim for the Pride cape.
@@MusicalAngelthis is late, maybe you’ve seen it by now, but there’s an email where Babs asks Jason if they should ask Tim and Dick if they can come to Pride as well (she assumes they’ll ask them eventually but wants to show them she supports them). Jason says he doesn’t like parades, but would gladly make an exception for his brothers. Babs then brings up the rainbow cape thing and comments about how Jason doesn’t wear a cape either, and suggests he wears a rainbow mask.
He’s my favorite Robin and his gameplay was the most fun for me, even though I slightly prefered Jason and Dick’s side stories because of the angst that is sorta lacking in Tim’s. But Tim has plenty of emotional moments during the main story beats.
The fact that the bat family are supporting Tim's choices in who he dates is very wholesome, especially Jason almost being a big brother to Tim about wanting to meet Bernard to make sure he's right for Tim.
I just love Tim's character dynamic with the Batman Family in this game. Dick and Tim are adopted brothers that like to tease each other to show their love. Tim and Barbara have a brother-sister type bond and both are nerds that have a fixiation on computers and science. Tim and Jason have a "I hate you at you at first" but now "Your not so bad" type sibling bond that grows to understand each other and care for.
This is so amazing, I watched the whole time with a smile on my face! Except for the part of never getting to tell Bruce. I saw your tweet and your story, and I just hope you're okay. And, and and That maybe that email about red hood with a pride hood could become a reality one day, I'd never take those skins off! Thank you so much, lots of love from Arizona❤️❤️
Someone should make a mod of Barbara and Tim with Pride capes, Rainbow Hood, and a Pride Nightwing (maybe giving him a bi flag colorway or something?).
God I want to play this game, the gameplay doesn’t look great but the depth of the characters is amazing. Like a reference to Lois and Clark while Tim questions whether or not he can date?! That’s amazing!
I honestly love this addition. It makes sense for his character. The people complaining about it keep acting like comic book characters should never change or be reinterpreted, which always happens.
Frankly I've seen more people complain about _how_ it was done, not that it was done at all. At least in my circle of nerds... _[pre-posting edit: wow, I got strangely enthusiastic about the whole thing, sorry about the essay... and good luck if you still decide to read my post!]_ Tim Drake is my favorite Robin (I have his entire original Robin run), and I don't mind him being bi at all... people change, their preferences change, especially in their late 10s/early 20s. But there's been 2 big issues (and a small one) that have marred Tim's coming out party. First since Tim and Steph was my favorite Batfam related couple, I was super disappointed that they broke them up off-screen... they did have a talk much later on, but it was weird, Steph was ultra positive and when Bernard showed up unannounced, she fangirls all over their 'ship and wants to be BFF with him and all. I believe that Steph is a character that _would_ be supportive, but Tim is the love of her life, and him ghosting her for months and starting a relationship with someone else without telling her is a dick move... I just think that had it been another girl that Tim fell for, Stephanie wouldn't have been as supportive and immediately demanding to meet with the new girl and become besties with her. The other issue, is that the latest Tim Drake solo comic book run, *"Tim Drake: Robin"* (which has been cancelled after 10 issues because of abysmal sales), was, sadly, a catastrophe... the last issue came out this month I think; The art by David Rossmo worked for me in his Harley Quinn run, because of the wackiness of the whole thing, you can chalk it up to seeing stuff from Harley's warped POV... but it doesn't work at all for this Tim Drake run. Then of course the writer, the always controversial Meghan Fitzmartin (her Young Justice run during Dark Crisis is consistently voted as worst YJ affiliated thing ever) , is just, well, I'm usually way more tolerant than the average comic book reader but there I have to side with the majority and agree that she's awful. She handled the Tim/Steph breakup horribly, and, there comes my 3rd complain, the small one... I wish she could have at least created a new chara for Tim to fall in love with, but that's just selfish of me because I'll always see Bernard as this annoying dudebro douche that Tim didn't even like, but he let him stick around because he didn't have the heart to tell him to leave him alone I guess. Later in that old Robin run, Bernard has a welcomed change of design where he looks more like his "Batman: Urban Legend" self, and develops an interest in superheros conspiracy theories, which is a better hobby than being the gang's official creeper braggart with nothing to back it up. _IN CONCLUSION_ , there are obviously bigots out there who hate the idea of having a LGBT Robin, but from what I've read online on the various comic books communities I'm part of (the SuperHeroHype forums are great, and some of the DC subreddits aren't as toxic as they seem), the problem isn't that Tim came out of the closet. ... no. It's _how_ DC did it, trusting Meghan Fitzmartin with our beloved Robin/Red Robin/Drake. If anyone made it that far into my post, happy PRIDE month to you!
@@randallflagg3700, gee man, I don't blame you for that conclusion. How would you write it if you were writing this? I personally have decided to make Tim Stephanie and Bernard into a polyamorous relationship. Don't question my line of thinking, I'm trying my best to compromise on my imagination based on information I read about, I just usually have no idea of the outlandish places my mind goes to. And this is coming from someone who barely knows anything about these characters. The most I know is from fanfiction, Tumblr, some viewings of great DC animated material, and of course, a good old reliable source in RUclipsrs like XelWriter (I love him, his British voice and knowledge of the comics is just so important to me, a non-comic reader). Anyway, yeah, it sucks that poor Steph (she shares my name, go figure) got the short end of the stick, but what did you expect from a company that repeatedly victim blames or destroys its own characters just to make Batman look like a Saint where he shouldn't? XelWriter makes it clear that Steph's poor writing is the result of a real issue with classism, and Jason himself suffers from the same victimization. Still, if I could fix this, I'd go all in on the poly love like it's nobody's business and see them work together as a trio. 😂 what a mess I've made, but it's my mess and I love it ❤
@@glowhoo9226Probably because in 98% of media the characters are straight and the lgbt community still struggles to be put into any kind of media without homophobes throwing toddler-level temper tantrums 😬
bro i’m crying i didn’t know these were real lines!!!!! tim is so important to me and i’m so happy his queerness is being portrayed outside of the comics!!!!!!!
They were together but they broke up in the comics (for the best honestly. Idk what that writer was doing but every time they interacted it was like peak Toxic Teens™️ ugh)
It’s possible that Stephanie was spoiler for a while but if Tim had to retire being Robin and Stephanie took place them, it’s possible she’s just still faked her death.
I liked the email between Babs and Jason about wanting to join Dick and Tim at Pride, and I figured Tim would be the bi one like in the comics, but I had never seen the actual dialogue in-game. Tim being my favorite Robin and me also being queer, this makes me so unbelievably happy. After seeing Dick’s Blüdhaven mug in his side story, imagining them both going to Pride together just makes me so happy.
How much do you have to hang out in the Belfry to get those lines? After 2.5 playthroughs (mostly Jason and Dick though) I got literally none of these.
While I like that Tim's boyfriend is getting mentioned I'm a bit annoyed that Steph is just referred to as "the last girl". I'm not actually a fan of Tim and Steph as a romantic pairing (more of a StephCass girl myself) but Steph is awesome and needs more respect.
@@you-5-iver804bro. He’s bisexual that doesn’t make him *not* Tim. He’s still an intelligent badass superhero. He just so happens to like dudes. It literally changes nothing but who his “shawties” end up being. You think way too hard about sexuality when being straight doesn’t change who you are as a person either.
@@ButterflyDivide thank you! So true. Sometimes a person you like or admire will tell you they have same-sex interest, and that revelation shouldn't explode your entire world and make you miserable. And if it does make you react that way, you need to reflect, introspect, and reconnect.
This does make me curious on where they all stand Most sexualities for them aren't really released, only a few DC characters have their sexualities known to my knowledge (Tim Drake and John Constantine both confirmed bisexual in the comics) But Dick showing up to Pride as Nightwing makes me curious on his sexuality. My headcanon is he's Pan, along with Jason, but genuinely curious.
He has a Blüdhaven mug with the bi flag on it in one of his side stories and in an email chain with Babs about an interview that he did, she mentions he flirted with the interviewer and if you read between the lines you can guess that he is a man. I think, in this game at least, he is also queer
So for Nightwing, if no flag as a cape, then maybe a modified version of the Nightwing suit with PRIDE color scheme of choice? Dick is bi, right? So maybe a pink suit with blue bird logo, and purple highlights?
Tim is Bi, Dick is just his supportive brother. That’s why he made the idea to dress up as their hero counter-parts to show their support for the community. People tend to forget you don’t have to be gay to support other gay people. Nightwing is and has always been for the people.
I honestly don't like Tim and Bernard relationship. Not only because I first heard about Bernard about 6 months ago. Mainly because I've been shipping Tim with someone else since 2016.
I'm just so glad this game gets these characters so right. These days it's hard to see these characters portrayed right. Cough cough titans couch cough dcu.
Good advice to go to Dick for relationship stuff. He’s been the most successful of any of the Bat fam and most of the JL. His solution for the long term was to date other heroes, but he would still give the best advice of any of them.
This frustrats me because during the events of Arkham Knight Barbra lost her Dad and where's Jason during all that oh right he was busy being the arkham knight
Tim- im bi. Batfamily- we don't care 😂 I love the acceptance! No question no debate just hey bring him by so we can meet and try not to get killed cause its gonna be super awkward to explain 😂
This has nothing to do with Tim, but I have to say it: I’m NOT a fan of Jason Todd’s design here. To me, he looks NOTHING like Jason. He’s a bit too bulky to me. What do y’all think?
tbh I thought it was just kind of an open yet unspoken fact about Dick everyone just already knew and accepted? like a fanon that we all decided was canon and eventually the writers did too? so we didn't really need proof or a storyline about it, he's just out here
I did not like what they did with Tim's character here... And I don't mean the bisexuality part (I'm bi after all), I mean as far as making him more of the typical nerd. Like it almost feels like this is a de-powered Peter Parker who took up the Robin mantle... that also happens to bi. I mean in general, as much as I like the family aspect of this story, forcing the character to follow typical 4 person tropes like Rise of TMNT did imo is a huge subtraction.
He always was a bit of a nerd, but yeah. A Tim Drake who's not a constantly stressed workaholic detective fueled purely by coffee and stubbornness is barely Tim Drake.
@TheZacula , actually, from what I heard, the coffee part is exaggerated. I heard that all it took was one comic for it to become the widespread misconception of Tim's character. Not nearly as damaging to his reputation as the alleged stalking and abusive parents misconception, but it gets blown out of proportion, I'd say..
Originally he was straight but hinted to be Bi (there's a infamous comic panel where him and Superboy are putting clothes back on while in a closet) now he's fully bi
1:25 aww Dick was a nervous wreck listening to Jay talk about superhero relationships. They want each other sooooo much. Dick was dropping hints in Jay's earshot at 3:09 as well.
@@kelewhitfield191 that's fair, live and let live. I appreciate where non-shipper Batfam fans are coming from too, it's valid to see it that way. It's all love and no judgement from my end.
@@roseevans4101 Yeah, as in, "Bi bi, Stephanie! Tim's into dudes now, because we wanna pander to the audience!" Literally, we already have Obsidian and Harper Row, who don't have their own comic series yet, but instead DC Comics decides, "Y'know how we can 'represent'? Let's forcefully make Alan Scott and Tim Drake (who both already have decades of history being straight) part of the LGBT community!"
- GK Tim: Is there, by any chance, a Bernard in your universe? - Arkham Tim: Who the f**ck is Bernard? - GK Tim: Our Boyfriend, of course. - Arkham Tim: WHAT!? Dude I'm not gay. - Arkham Dick: I'm confused, did I miss something? - DC: We accidentally on purpose caused another break in the space-time continuity... 🤞
I think there's a solution, though. After all, we have a massive multiverse for these characters and different iterations across different media. Arkhamverse and Young Justice Tim can be straight, Gotham Knights and Titans Tim can be bi, and welp, that's all I have to say. And I ain't taking a refund for this multiverse crossover idea. They each get their own Steph and Bernard, or both if you so believe hard enough in the power of polygamy. But regardless, there is your solution: multiverse crossover means they keep to their own..
Gotham Barbra to the bat family: GUYS!! SOMEONE BEAT JASON TO A BLOODY PULP! Arkham Jason to the bat family: lmao you guys won’t believe the encounter I had with the lamest guy posing as me XD
I mean he has a coffee mug with the bi pride stuff on it. And there's an article you read in the emails where the interviewer dude says: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, it seems. Dick Grayson, much like the recently departed Bruce Wayne, is an irrepressible flirt. The tabloids are flush with mentions of his exploits and the gorgeous company he keeps. I asked Dick if he had a specific type, and he leaned close then, his voice lowered to an intimate purr, his gaze for me and no one else. "People are gorgeous. All of them. Why restrict myself to an archetype when this world is full of beauty? Gorgeous, gorgeous people everywhere. Including the ranks of Gotham's Elite."
16 year old boys don't want to date other boys, they want to hang out with them. My cousin dated women at that age before finding out he was gay as an adult. My brother's friend dated women before finding out he was bisexual as an adult. Having a 16 year old doing this is so unnatural. And let's not forget Tim was never bisexual in the first place.
Because those who did read the books knew he was straight. He had a girlfriend for decades and Bernard was his best friend. Current day comics is so bad for the environment.
Since Gotham Knights is a separate continuity, I don't have any issues with Tim Drake being gay and dating another boy. In the main comics, I hate it because Tim and Stephanie were great together, and their relationship basically evaporated off page just so Tim could date a boy instead.
Jason is straight, though. We have proof that all his love interests are female as well. Let's just say he has a sneaky habit of dating his older brother's girlfriends..😊
@@galaxypat247 They were with each other for years, have way better chemistry and dialogue between each other, both superheroes and fight crime together. Meant to be. Bernard is a terrible character with no personality and solely exists to make Tim bisexual. They have no chemistry and the romance is plain boring.
@@stephen8805 Tim and Steph had a toxic start but got better way later... I liked them together but I don't get why people can't move on, just like with Nightwing and Starfire
Jason is straight, Dick is implied to be bisexual, but only in this game. Dick is most definitely an ally as there is official art of him flying over a pride flag. I got no problems with it, nice to know my favorite heroes are supportive :)
Do we know for sure Jason is straight, like Kinsey 0?@@ButterflyDivide As far as we all know and have seen/heard he's never been with a man, but that's not to say he wouldn't ever, or that he has before and just never revealed it. No-one knew for sure about Tim until recent years, after all.
Really hate that they changed Tim’s sexuality. Nothing against lgbt, but Tim has been established as straight for DECADES. He’s already got Stephanie brown. There’s no reason for it.
the reason for this establishment was simply because everything else wasn't really allowed by publishers, authors wanted to write queer characters for a long time and just couldn't
Bruh I just found this out today playing the game and I'm heartbroken fr I'm a Christian and I'm not supposed to deal with gays but I'ma pretend he's not gay
@@thebat909 the Bible literally says not to put one sin over the other. You're just using your religion as an excuse to be a shitty person. Friendly reminder that Jesus said to love thy neighbor.
@@hylianhero1921 no Jesus says to love everyone that means gays black people the Chinese Russian even if there our enemy why would I be a shitty person your not suppose to judge only god judges now please shut up
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"I don't know how you all juggle relationships and superheroing"
"You have seen our love lives man. The answer is 'not very well'" had me cracking
Also co-watching a movie,
Also "I just don't think there should be no doubt on where we stand" and just... all of it.
Well, they can tell him what NOT to do.
Seeing Jason casually mention “Lois and Clark” (my two favorite DC characters) got me unreasonably giddy. Also really cool to see it being used as a sort of cornerstone and ideal for Tim and Bernard to strive towards. I mained Tim in my first playthrough, but sadly didn’t get a lot of this dialogue.
I also appreciate the continuity between Dick and Tim’s last conversation here and the email between Barbara and Jason. And that Barbara had the same idea as Tim for the Pride cape.
what was the email between Barbara and Jason? because I would love to see it :D
@@MusicalAngelthis is late, maybe you’ve seen it by now, but there’s an email where Babs asks Jason if they should ask Tim and Dick if they can come to Pride as well (she assumes they’ll ask them eventually but wants to show them she supports them). Jason says he doesn’t like parades, but would gladly make an exception for his brothers. Babs then brings up the rainbow cape thing and comments about how Jason doesn’t wear a cape either, and suggests he wears a rainbow mask.
@@SvanEsch123 I didn't see this :D thats so cool!
god, the one with Jason asking when they're all meeting Bernard and saying he wants to make sure he's good for him just made me so happy :(
We finally get to see this idiots just be brothers 😭
gotta put some bullet
Jason telling Tim he wants to make sure he’s good for Tim is so sweet 🥺
Reminds me of my Brother.
Best brother
"THAT LAST GIRL????" Barbara her name is STEPHANIE BROWN SHE WAS BATGIRL FOR A WHIIIIIILLLEE
I don't think she was yet, I mean has Barbara even been shot yet? And where's Cassandra?
@@richarddominic5770 In the hallucination scene there's a line about Batgirl disappearing for a while, which she claims she was "being Oracle"
@@richarddominic5770 This version of Barbara was shot already. This takes place after she could walk again
Maybe another girl and not Stephanie?
Okay, I might have to pick this up now. Tim is MY Robin and I love seeing the Robins actually being brothers
I thought I’d main Nightwing in this, but Tim actually turned out to be my favorite of the Gotham Knights. Both in terms of story and gameplay.
He’s my favorite Robin and his gameplay was the most fun for me, even though I slightly prefered Jason and Dick’s side stories because of the angst that is sorta lacking in Tim’s. But Tim has plenty of emotional moments during the main story beats.
The graphics are clearly terrible and all of the Robins are straight
The fact that the bat family are supporting Tim's choices in who he dates is very wholesome, especially Jason almost being a big brother to Tim about wanting to meet Bernard to make sure he's right for Tim.
Jason being a good Big brother
You just know if Bernard ever treated Tim wrong, Red Hood would be kicking down Bernards door that very same night and point a gun at his face.
And Dick too
@@monochaos9442And said gun may or may not be loaded with real bullets.
These are delightful!
Oh, you KNOW Dick had a cape picked out for Pride...
And if not then he painted his logo in rainbow colors for sure!
or since he hates capes, he could have remade the discowing suit, but in pride colours.
DISCOWIIIIIING!!!
@@charliefarmer4365
*breaks table in half* YES
@@charliefarmer4365I was just about to comment this!
Jason is such a dad and I love it ❤
If one of them ends up following in Bruce's footsteps as a single dad of many children, that's gonna be Jason FOR SURE 😂
"that last girl u dated" is all steph got as a mention? :(
Of course. Tim’s lgbt now, so no more Stephanie 😊
@@glowhoo9226All mental health now
@@glowhoo9226 let people have their ship don’t hate on peoples opinions
@@gamevidz8763also how is it mental health?
the effin disrespect right
i hate Meghan Shitzmartin so much
I just love Tim's character dynamic with the Batman Family in this game. Dick and Tim are adopted brothers that like to tease each other to show their love. Tim and Barbara have a brother-sister type bond and both are nerds that have a fixiation on computers and science. Tim and Jason have a "I hate you at you at first" but now "Your not so bad" type sibling bond that grows to understand each other and care for.
Sometimes I wished I stay in the Belfry often to get these random conversations
The fact he is sad he couldn't tell Bruce :(((
This is so amazing, I watched the whole time with a smile on my face! Except for the part of never getting to tell Bruce. I saw your tweet and your story, and I just hope you're okay. And, and and
That maybe that email about red hood with a pride hood could become a reality one day, I'd never take those skins off! Thank you so much, lots of love from Arizona❤️❤️
Someone should make a mod of Barbara and Tim with Pride capes, Rainbow Hood, and a Pride Nightwing (maybe giving him a bi flag colorway or something?).
God I want to play this game, the gameplay doesn’t look great but the depth of the characters is amazing. Like a reference to Lois and Clark while Tim questions whether or not he can date?! That’s amazing!
Same. I added it to my library when it was on discount but haven’t started yet. Trying to finish God of War first all the way before starting it up
I just love all the little interactions between the knights in this game
I honestly love this addition. It makes sense for his character. The people complaining about it keep acting like comic book characters should never change or be reinterpreted, which always happens.
Yet if they made a gay character straight, the lgbt crowd would LOSE IT, and you know that.
Frankly I've seen more people complain about _how_ it was done, not that it was done at all.
At least in my circle of nerds...
_[pre-posting edit: wow, I got strangely enthusiastic about the whole thing, sorry about the essay... and good luck if you still decide to read my post!]_
Tim Drake is my favorite Robin (I have his entire original Robin run), and I don't mind him being bi at all... people change, their preferences change, especially in their late 10s/early 20s.
But there's been 2 big issues (and a small one) that have marred Tim's coming out party.
First since Tim and Steph was my favorite Batfam related couple, I was super disappointed that they broke them up off-screen... they did have a talk much later on, but it was weird, Steph was ultra positive and when Bernard showed up unannounced, she fangirls all over their 'ship and wants to be BFF with him and all.
I believe that Steph is a character that _would_ be supportive, but Tim is the love of her life, and him ghosting her for months and starting a relationship with someone else without telling her is a dick move... I just think that had it been another girl that Tim fell for, Stephanie wouldn't have been as supportive and immediately demanding to meet with the new girl and become besties with her.
The other issue, is that the latest Tim Drake solo comic book run, *"Tim Drake: Robin"* (which has been cancelled after 10 issues because of abysmal sales), was, sadly, a catastrophe... the last issue came out this month I think;
The art by David Rossmo worked for me in his Harley Quinn run, because of the wackiness of the whole thing, you can chalk it up to seeing stuff from Harley's warped POV... but it doesn't work at all for this Tim Drake run.
Then of course the writer, the always controversial Meghan Fitzmartin
(her Young Justice run during Dark Crisis is consistently voted as worst YJ affiliated thing ever)
, is just, well, I'm usually way more tolerant than the average comic book reader but there I have to side with the majority and agree that she's awful.
She handled the Tim/Steph breakup horribly, and, there comes my 3rd complain, the small one...
I wish she could have at least created a new chara for Tim to fall in love with, but that's just selfish of me because I'll always see Bernard as this annoying dudebro douche that Tim didn't even like, but he let him stick around because he didn't have the heart to tell him to leave him alone I guess.
Later in that old Robin run, Bernard has a welcomed change of design where he looks more like his "Batman: Urban Legend" self, and develops an interest in superheros conspiracy theories, which is a better hobby than being the gang's official creeper braggart with nothing to back it up.
_IN CONCLUSION_ , there are obviously bigots out there who hate the idea of having a LGBT Robin, but from what I've read online on the various comic books communities I'm part of (the SuperHeroHype forums are great, and some of the DC subreddits aren't as toxic as they seem), the problem isn't that Tim came out of the closet.
... no.
It's _how_ DC did it, trusting Meghan Fitzmartin with our beloved Robin/Red Robin/Drake.
If anyone made it that far into my post, happy PRIDE month to you!
@@randallflagg3700, gee man, I don't blame you for that conclusion. How would you write it if you were writing this? I personally have decided to make Tim Stephanie and Bernard into a polyamorous relationship. Don't question my line of thinking, I'm trying my best to compromise on my imagination based on information I read about, I just usually have no idea of the outlandish places my mind goes to. And this is coming from someone who barely knows anything about these characters. The most I know is from fanfiction, Tumblr, some viewings of great DC animated material, and of course, a good old reliable source in RUclipsrs like XelWriter (I love him, his British voice and knowledge of the comics is just so important to me, a non-comic reader). Anyway, yeah, it sucks that poor Steph (she shares my name, go figure) got the short end of the stick, but what did you expect from a company that repeatedly victim blames or destroys its own characters just to make Batman look like a Saint where he shouldn't? XelWriter makes it clear that Steph's poor writing is the result of a real issue with classism, and Jason himself suffers from the same victimization. Still, if I could fix this, I'd go all in on the poly love like it's nobody's business and see them work together as a trio. 😂 what a mess I've made, but it's my mess and I love it ❤
@@glowhoo9226Probably because in 98% of media the characters are straight and the lgbt community still struggles to be put into any kind of media without homophobes throwing toddler-level temper tantrums 😬
This is such an authentic representation and the rest of the bat-family are so supportive.
I adore this
This will nvr happen why is he gay Al of a sudden
@@NOTSOmK um... What exactly will never happen?
The guy has been straight for decades. We read his thoughts. It's not authentic in any way.
You know, I actually like to see them being friendly and supportive with each other.
Man Jason gives me Moar reasons to luv this man.
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bro i’m crying i didn’t know these were real lines!!!!! tim is so important to me and i’m so happy his queerness is being portrayed outside of the comics!!!!!!!
Red Hood is an amazing brother to Tim
Say what you want about finding out this Tim is gay. the most endearing part of all this is the rest of the Bat-family treating like the baby brother.
I thought Tim was with Stephanie?
I am just as confused as you, but im gonna go with the bernard option
Also tim is bi so both are possible-
They were together but they broke up in the comics (for the best honestly. Idk what that writer was doing but every time they interacted it was like peak Toxic Teens™️ ugh)
@@WaitinInAmber At the start, then it evolved into being one of the best comic book relationships in fiction.
They turned him gay. They say "bi" but we know it means he'll never date a girl again.
It’s possible that Stephanie was spoiler for a while but if Tim had to retire being Robin and Stephanie took place them, it’s possible she’s just still faked her death.
I liked the email between Babs and Jason about wanting to join Dick and Tim at Pride, and I figured Tim would be the bi one like in the comics, but I had never seen the actual dialogue in-game. Tim being my favorite Robin and me also being queer, this makes me so unbelievably happy. After seeing Dick’s Blüdhaven mug in his side story, imagining them both going to Pride together just makes me so happy.
Dick mentioning pride made me so happy I want him as my big brother too, also I think I might have a big brother fetish now
Thank you for this 😭❤️
A question... in which part of the storyline those dialogues appear? I just finished the main storyline but I didn't see those parts :( help SOS
It’s just you have to stand around in the belfry and it should work
How much do you have to hang out in the Belfry to get those lines? After 2.5 playthroughs (mostly Jason and Dick though) I got literally none of these.
While I like that Tim's boyfriend is getting mentioned I'm a bit annoyed that Steph is just referred to as "the last girl". I'm not actually a fan of Tim and Steph as a romantic pairing (more of a StephCass girl myself) but Steph is awesome and needs more respect.
Could anyone help me to get there in the game? I am at level 21 and still no words from Bernard :( how does it works?
Bernard belfry dialogue happens late. He mentions dating him (second dialogue) around night 102 I think.
It’s a shame this game didn’t get better reviews - it wasn’t perfect but parts like this made it shine.
Its disgusting. They gaywashed my favourite Robin. His shawties are Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown
@@you-5-iver804bro. He’s bisexual that doesn’t make him *not* Tim. He’s still an intelligent badass superhero. He just so happens to like dudes. It literally changes nothing but who his “shawties” end up being. You think way too hard about sexuality when being straight doesn’t change who you are as a person either.
@ButterflyDivide , true. If people could just try to live with it. It happened, end of story, doesn't change anything about who he is.
@@ButterflyDivide thank you! So true. Sometimes a person you like or admire will tell you they have same-sex interest, and that revelation shouldn't explode your entire world and make you miserable. And if it does make you react that way, you need to reflect, introspect, and reconnect.
glad this game is shit lol the one time where people like you could've prevailed 😂
I absolutely love Tim Drake before and after he came out. He’s amazing and super cool.
thank you!! literally means so much ❤️❤️
Jay is literally the best big brother ever ❤
Can you imagine a teen titans game with these writers omg I want it!!!!
(((manifesting)))
What unlocks this interaction? I’m replaying the game and really want to play this scenario.
They fire randomly while you spend time in the Belfry as Tim!
Maybe. Just maybe. Gotham Knights is set in the universe that Megamind is in. Wow. Maybe Tim is dating Megamind in disguise!
Spyhunter in the background.
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This does make me curious on where they all stand
Most sexualities for them aren't really released, only a few DC characters have their sexualities known to my knowledge (Tim Drake and John Constantine both confirmed bisexual in the comics)
But Dick showing up to Pride as Nightwing makes me curious on his sexuality. My headcanon is he's Pan, along with Jason, but genuinely curious.
He has a Blüdhaven mug with the bi flag on it in one of his side stories and in an email chain with Babs about an interview that he did, she mentions he flirted with the interviewer and if you read between the lines you can guess that he is a man. I think, in this game at least, he is also queer
@@SvanEsch123 The fact I can see Dick flirting with an interviewer is very funny. It sounds like a thing he would do.(and did in game, as you said)
So for Nightwing, if no flag as a cape, then maybe a modified version of the Nightwing suit with PRIDE color scheme of choice? Dick is bi, right? So maybe a pink suit with blue bird logo, and purple highlights?
ahahaha i love the idea of a bi-coloured nightwing suit! not sure it's much use for stealthiness, but i'd love it as a costume!
He is sadly not officially bi. Though they do do a great job of making it seem that way...
@@minimi870 i'd say he is bi in that timeline or continuity.
Tim is Bi, Dick is just his supportive brother. That’s why he made the idea to dress up as their hero counter-parts to show their support for the community. People tend to forget you don’t have to be gay to support other gay people. Nightwing is and has always been for the people.
Dick is canonically straight, The only gay Robin is Tim.
1:22 Superman reference, nice
“That’s great, it’s been a while since you and that last girl broke up.”
It’s offical, spoiler exist in Gotham knights.
I love this
WHAA..?!
WHAT ABOUT STEPHANIE?!
😥😣
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I mean, Barbara did mention her.
She did?
😯
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@@nloubriel2336 0:39
Bernard, also known as "the Robin's equivalent to Paul"
I honestly don't like Tim and Bernard relationship. Not only because I first heard about Bernard about 6 months ago. Mainly because I've been shipping Tim with someone else since 2016.
Conner, right?
@@weiderangelo6172 Who else?
bernard was tim's friend in the 90s
@@queerios1077 Doesn’t mean I know and/or remember the guy.
I'm just so glad this game gets these characters so right. These days it's hard to see these characters portrayed right. Cough cough titans couch cough dcu.
Good advice to go to Dick for relationship stuff. He’s been the most successful of any of the Bat fam and most of the JL. His solution for the long term was to date other heroes, but he would still give the best advice of any of them.
1:33 :(
Nosy siblings being nosy. And loving siblings being loving. Bruce must be so proud of his kids. 😢😢
“You and that last girl broke up.”
You mean Stephanie Brown, AKA Spoiler, AKA the third(ish, depending how you count) Batgirl??
Or Barb could be referring to Ariana Dzerchenko, Tim’s first girlfriend pre-New 52.
@@theunknownvoidz1409 Possible. Although if I remember right, in the comics Tim started dating Bernard after breaking up with Steph off-panel.
She would also be the 4th Robin before Damian.
It could also be that Barbara was still Spoiler in the game, therefore, still had no strong relationship to the other bats but Tim
@@NuniPikachu Barbara was never Spoiler, that is a title reserved for Stephanie Brown.
This frustrats me because during the events of Arkham Knight Barbra lost her Dad and where's Jason during all that oh right he was busy being the arkham knight
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DONT TALK ABOUT STEPHANIE LIKE THAT. LOVE MY GIRL
Arkham knight Tim will beat this Tim's ass
Gotham Tim is a twig compared to Arkham Tim
They really made a lot of down grades
@@israelwilson4022 The right word is "twink" and that's an upgrade actually
@@MILOPETIT twink is not a compliment nor an upgrade 💀
@MILOPETIT the game is trash with all this forced pandering. Major downgrade
@@GothamThotSlayer yes and it’s sad to see knowing what could’ve been
Haven't u heard what Edna said? NO CAPE
Tim- im bi.
Batfamily- we don't care 😂
I love the acceptance! No question no debate just hey bring him by so we can meet and try not to get killed cause its gonna be super awkward to explain 😂
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DLC with Bernard please!
This has nothing to do with Tim, but I have to say it:
I’m NOT a fan of Jason Todd’s design here. To me, he looks NOTHING like Jason. He’s a bit too bulky to me. What do y’all think?
Ain't no way Robin is gay.....i read stories with him and spoiler making out
He's bi
0:54 so did they just soft confirm Dick is bi?
and the pride dialogue at the end. I don't get it, did I miss something
tbh I thought it was just kind of an open yet unspoken fact about Dick everyone just already knew and accepted? like a fanon that we all decided was canon and eventually the writers did too? so we didn't really need proof or a storyline about it, he's just out here
I did not like what they did with Tim's character here... And I don't mean the bisexuality part (I'm bi after all), I mean as far as making him more of the typical nerd. Like it almost feels like this is a de-powered Peter Parker who took up the Robin mantle... that also happens to bi. I mean in general, as much as I like the family aspect of this story, forcing the character to follow typical 4 person tropes like Rise of TMNT did imo is a huge subtraction.
He always was a bit of a nerd, but yeah. A Tim Drake who's not a constantly stressed workaholic detective fueled purely by coffee and stubbornness is barely Tim Drake.
@TheZacula , actually, from what I heard, the coffee part is exaggerated. I heard that all it took was one comic for it to become the widespread misconception of Tim's character. Not nearly as damaging to his reputation as the alleged stalking and abusive parents misconception, but it gets blown out of proportion, I'd say..
Why they doing Tim like this💀
So what if he’s bi
@@PhoenixPlays669 they make characters who aren’t gay, gay for no reason
@@kxlebhim but he is bi not gay
I mean bisexual dc characters are not a new thing
@@PhoenixPlays669yeah....gay 😂
So tim is bi or pan? Or omni?
He is straight and is in love with stephanie
Originally he was straight but hinted to be Bi (there's a infamous comic panel where him and Superboy are putting clothes back on while in a closet) now he's fully bi
1:25 aww Dick was a nervous wreck listening to Jay talk about superhero relationships. They want each other sooooo much. Dick was dropping hints in Jay's earshot at 3:09 as well.
My brother/sister/nonbinary sibling in Christ, they're brothers. What's with this creepy incest shit?
I don't know about that. You can ship who u want but to me they just seem like one big family shipping them is kinda weird to me
@@kelewhitfield191 that's fair, live and let live. I appreciate where non-shipper Batfam fans are coming from too, it's valid to see it that way. It's all love and no judgement from my end.
Is Tim bisexual?
In this version of the character; yes he is.
They changed it in the comics to pander to the woke crowd.
He was always bisexual!
Me, who wants Tim to be with Stephanie Brown: "Why isn't it possible?"
WB Montreal: "It's just not."
Me: "Why not, you stupid bastard?"
he's bi!
@@roseevans4101 Yeah, as in, "Bi bi, Stephanie! Tim's into dudes now, because we wanna pander to the audience!"
Literally, we already have Obsidian and Harper Row, who don't have their own comic series yet, but instead DC Comics decides, "Y'know how we can 'represent'? Let's forcefully make Alan Scott and Tim Drake (who both already have decades of history being straight) part of the LGBT community!"
- GK Tim: Is there, by any chance, a Bernard in your universe?
- Arkham Tim: Who the f**ck is Bernard?
- GK Tim: Our Boyfriend, of course.
- Arkham Tim: WHAT!? Dude I'm not gay.
- Arkham Dick: I'm confused, did I miss something?
- DC: We accidentally on purpose caused another break in the space-time continuity... 🤞
I think there's a solution, though. After all, we have a massive multiverse for these characters and different iterations across different media. Arkhamverse and Young Justice Tim can be straight, Gotham Knights and Titans Tim can be bi, and welp, that's all I have to say. And I ain't taking a refund for this multiverse crossover idea. They each get their own Steph and Bernard, or both if you so believe hard enough in the power of polygamy. But regardless, there is your solution: multiverse crossover means they keep to their own..
Gotham Barbra to the bat family: GUYS!! SOMEONE BEAT JASON TO A BLOODY PULP!
Arkham Jason to the bat family: lmao you guys won’t believe the encounter I had with the lamest guy posing as me XD
@@israelwilson4022, wait till he meets Titans Jason..🤫😉😏
He’s not even gay
is nightwing bi?
In this game, yes.
@@daniellestevenson6833 is it confirmed?
I mean he has a coffee mug with the bi pride stuff on it. And there's an article you read in the emails where the interviewer dude says:
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, it seems. Dick Grayson, much like the recently departed Bruce Wayne, is an irrepressible flirt. The tabloids are flush with mentions of his exploits and the gorgeous company he keeps. I asked Dick if he had a specific type, and he leaned close then, his voice lowered to an intimate purr, his gaze for me and no one else. "People are gorgeous. All of them. Why restrict myself to an archetype when this world is full of beauty? Gorgeous, gorgeous people everywhere. Including the ranks of Gotham's Elite."
He’s also currently depicted as bi in the comics. He’s dating Bernard there as well, without erasing his previous relationships with women.
@@governor_explosion That's Tim (Robin) who's dating Bernard and is openly bi in the comics.
When you realize Tim in this game is 16. 💀
And can he not date at that age?
16 year old boys don't want to date other boys, they want to hang out with them. My cousin dated women at that age before finding out he was gay as an adult. My brother's friend dated women before finding out he was bisexual as an adult. Having a 16 year old doing this is so unnatural. And let's not forget Tim was never bisexual in the first place.
@@minxielinxie how would you know if he was straight no one ever said anything about his sexuality when he was created
Because those who did read the books knew he was straight. He had a girlfriend for decades and Bernard was his best friend. Current day comics is so bad for the environment.
@@minxielinxie yea he had a girlfriend doesn’t mean he’s straight dude
Wished it was Tim and Stephanie Brown dating
Spoiler does seem to exist if the Batcycle Colorway is anything to go by.
Since Gotham Knights is a separate continuity, I don't have any issues with Tim Drake being gay and dating another boy. In the main comics, I hate it because Tim and Stephanie were great together, and their relationship basically evaporated off page just so Tim could date a boy instead.
This is so wrong, tim likes Stephanie.
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You can’t change who a character likes plus he’s bi so he probably dated Stephanie but then broke up with
I though it was Jason who was the gay person. Didn’t think Tim had it in him. 🏳️🌈
Jason is straight, though. We have proof that all his love interests are female as well. Let's just say he has a sneaky habit of dating his older brother's girlfriends..😊
Tim is bj not gay
Tim and Stephanie are a way better couple 🤢
Can i ask why? Sorry if its annoying but im just curious
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They were with each other for years, have way better chemistry and dialogue between each other, both superheroes and fight crime together. Meant to be.
Bernard is a terrible character with no personality and solely exists to make Tim bisexual. They have no chemistry and the romance is plain boring.
@@stephen8805 i see, i dont mind either honestly but i respect your opinion
@@stephen8805 nothing against that but I can agree with some parts of that. But I respect the reason
@@stephen8805 Tim and Steph had a toxic start but got better way later... I liked them together but I don't get why people can't move on, just like with Nightwing and Starfire
Can’t escape Bernard in media…
Wait so dick and Jason are bisexual?
Jason is straight, Dick is implied to be bisexual, but only in this game. Dick is most definitely an ally as there is official art of him flying over a pride flag. I got no problems with it, nice to know my favorite heroes are supportive :)
Do we know for sure Jason is straight, like Kinsey 0?@@ButterflyDivide As far as we all know and have seen/heard he's never been with a man, but that's not to say he wouldn't ever, or that he has before and just never revealed it. No-one knew for sure about Tim until recent years, after all.
Really hate that they changed Tim’s sexuality. Nothing against lgbt, but Tim has been established as straight for DECADES. He’s already got Stephanie brown. There’s no reason for it.
the reason for this establishment was simply because everything else wasn't really allowed by publishers, authors wanted to write queer characters for a long time and just couldn't
@@greypeetno excuses. Its the same as raceswapping. Go make ur own bloody gay and see how that sells.
Or the creators do whatever they want with their work and you deal with it
You do know Bisexual people are a thing, right?
Those who go woke go broke
Bruh I just found this out today playing the game and I'm heartbroken fr I'm a Christian and I'm not supposed to deal with gays but I'ma pretend he's not gay
Same here dude
Your also not supposed to deal with needless violence but this is a violent video game.
@@thebat909 the Bible literally says not to put one sin over the other. You're just using your religion as an excuse to be a shitty person. Friendly reminder that Jesus said to love thy neighbor.
@@hylianhero1921 no Jesus says to love everyone that means gays black people the Chinese Russian even if there our enemy why would I be a shitty person your not suppose to judge only god judges now please shut up
@@thebat909 you literally just used Jesus as an excuse to put down gay people. Quit being hypocritical.