Michaela Stirling and the Curse of Adaptation [CC]
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
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Can Michaela Stirling work - 13:30
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I can see why it took you so bloody long to create this video, because it was SOOO bloody wonderful. You literally made me cry - how brilliant you are! - when you 'adapted' the letter from John's mother thanking Francesca. That part of the original book would make a stone statue cry, and what you've written is equally moving and frankly, beautiful. In fact, not wanting to spoil it for your viewers, that is all I'm going to say! Thank you so much for your mind and for your heart!
Thank you so much 🥹🥹. I love Fran’s story and I just want the writers and whichever showrunner we get for her season to do her justice.
@@ChroniclesofNoria Absolutely agree!
@@ChroniclesofNoriaI don't want dark skin blakc women to entertain roles made for men. People already masculinize us and think us undesirable. Stop this right now. White women don't like feminine black women
I agree. This was beautifully done!
Generally don't care about gender swap, as long as the chemistry is there I'm on board. What I didn't like about Michaela's introduction is Fransesca's reaction like it's clear Fran felt something for her strong enough to render her a blubbering mess and I dont know how to feel about that, especially because we spent the entire season watching her and John fall in love and convince Violet that love can be felt and expressed in different ways, it doesn't always have to be loud and passionate, it can also be quiet and gentle, all for that to mean nothing because she gets tongue-tied upon meeting Michaela. Not to mention her lukewarm reaction to kissing John. I'm actually worried they might go for the emotional cheating plot line for her story, a trope I absolutely hate in queer media.
Same! What is the point of having the moral about love being somewhat slow/ not super explosive if you’re just going to show that it doesn’t matter anyways? Considering that Fran is supposed to fall in love twice for her story, why not just introduce Michaela later? It would have been nice to have a queer love story that doesn’t hint at an emotional affair. Maybe after Fran’s husband died, she would have enjoyed the comfort of Michaela’s company and realize that she was attracted to her. They could have reconnected at Kilmarten’s funeral and then fell in love while they were grieving. That could have been a nice story about love and loss between two woman. Instead, they might have created a story where a new woman is gonna steal her cousin’s wife. They made Polin super angsty to the point where I couldn’t enjoy their scenes. So I thought that Benedict’s and Franchesca’s love stories would be more chill. At least Ben’s plot was pretty chill. But I’m really disappointed at how they threw in Michaela at the last minute.
Problem is not just that but it IS one of the big issues. The biggest problem is the fact that a huge issue between them was Michael felt guilty about how when John died Michael got everything that belonged to John, the title, his house, his money and even his fucking clothes. For half the book he beats himself up over how wrong it would be to take his wife too.
Women can’t inherit the title therefore they can’t inherit everything else, ego no arch.
The queer cheating trope of especially bi women would also enrage me seriously. The bi erasure is damaging enough!
Yes! I’m very here for a good queer love story, and a queer awakening under the duress of the time. I’m sure this absolutely happened (Queen Charlotte has a lovely example) but the timing felt so disrespectful to her sweet and brand new husband.
He was right there.
@@foxesofautumn it would make much more sense to change Sophie to a man for Benedict’s season. Gender doesn’t matter in that one they could just as easily make a male illegitimate child of an Earl love interest with a wicked stepmother who resented him being raised by her husband. In fact it might actually make more sense for why she treated the child so badly. And honestly wouldn’t a male in the role of Cinderella in the story be more inclusive?
Im so annoyed that we had this whole storyline of love can be quiet... it doesnt have to be overwhelmingly passionate... just to have her immediately appearing to lust after michaela. I HATE that.
What i don't understand is why hollywood writers suddenly become creative after using someone's book to make a movie, if you are that creative why didn't you just come up with a series yourself.
Because that is the nature of Hollywood itself: to use existing IPs rather than create something new. It’s what they’ve always done. Hollywood doesn’t like experimentation. It’s the business model that works for them 🤷🏾♀️
@@ChroniclesofNoria is that why they don't pay writers well and they had to go on strike, because they are just using people's shit and not being creative on their own?
Honestly yes. Hollywood is so driven by greed and that they would shortchange and underpay writers and then resist any attempt by workers to sell them any original ideas writers “we need to make money”. It is an absolute mess and I HATE IT!!!
I think my problem and my reason as to why i dont think it work is because in the show they make Francesca fall for michaela first, and thats not how the story works. Now it will make us feel that her love for john is not genuine and the whole point in the history of francesca is that she learned to love two different people in her life. It HAD to be Michael/Michaela the one who fall first, not francesca because now all the point of John is to what? make francesca realize that she is gay?, and also she will emotionally cheat John, It was more easy to root for their love story when it was michael the one who fall first, now im feeling that i have to root for a wife to cheat to his husband? i don't think is the right way to make the adaptation, i dont have a problem with queer story telling, im queer myself, but not in francesca story.
boohoo cry more. nobody cares what YOU want. the writers are telling the story they want with the blessing of the original book writer and your disapproval is not gonna change the trajectory of their story.
@@transmatizedthen don’t come complain later when people start dropping the show
@@transmatized everything right in your home? 😂 That’s why this is an opinion video? Im sharing my opinion? In what point im telling anything to the writers? Im just saying what i think and the fact that you have to react like that tells me more of you than anything else, oh well, good luck with that attitude 🥰
Why can't her feelings for John be genuine? Everyone is jumping to conclusions about how the story will go a bit too soon. It has the potential to be a very complex and beautiful story where all of the major themes remain in tact.
@@transmatizedthere was no need for you to assume a condescending tone. People will be less likely to take your points seriously if you start them with childish mockery.
George R. R. Martin's thoughts about adaptations: “No matter how major a writer it is, no matter how great the book, there always seems to be someone on hand who thinks he can do better, eager to take the story and ‘improve’ on it. 'The book is the book, the film is the film,’ they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. Then they make the story their own. They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse.” I'm not saying that Julia Quinn is a great writer or the Bridgerton books are masterpieces and you can't alter them at all. But you should keep the essence of the source material and stay coherent in your storytelling. Unfortunately, after watching the 3rd season I'm not convinced at all that this showrunner will give us a great story with Francesca and Michaela (maybe with the first showrunner it could work). We waited two years to get this messy season, and they couldn't care less about the Polin romance, I couldn't believe their love story. My main issue with this twist at the end is that it cancels all what we saw in the show before and what Francesca stood for (even in front of the Queen), the quiet and simple love without sparkles and fuss. Fran can't remember her name when she meets Michaela (by the way why she appears from nowhere at the ball? why John doesn't introduce his wife to his cousin? why Michaela doesn't know that Fran is the wife of his cousin?) and this reflects what Violet sad to her what happened when she met Edmund. As if the show wanted to prove that Fran was wrong and only the passionate love matters. You can flush down the toilet the sweet love story we witnessed earlier. Francesca hasn’t even settled into her marriage and already they make her attracted to someone else without even exploring the actual relationship. Why they didn't keep that it is Michael(a) who is besotted with her from the very beginning? It seemed as if they added this twist for the shock value and not for the benefit of an organically developed and consistent storyline.
with luck, we have a better showrunner when that season comes lol
100% agree with you, I’m sad that it looks like they are invalidating her relationship with John in service of this change. They could have done the gender swap without taking this route
By the way, feeling different is not only a queer person's experience. I'm an introvert too and I can understand and feel Francesca's discomfort in social situations. Why it is so obvious to turn her into a queer person?
I do not think this was done for shock value. Rather the showrunner Jess Brunell announced her agenda. She wants a queer Bridgerton storyline. Period. Apparently, Benedict is not enough or doesn't count. Jess Brunell likes the Francesca character and set her sights on that character's storyline to introduce the queer angle. Again, this is not done for shock value. The intent is to implement a queer angle. It's an agenda.
Well said!!!
I didn't read the book but I have been relatively spoiled on John and Francesca's fate. As a show fan, I was disappointed by Michaela's introduction, not because of her gender but because of what it means for John and Francesca's relationship. I really liked their relationship, I thought it was super sweet and I liked that it was muted and gentle and that they were a little strange and awkward. I like that it was simple and uncomplicated. I knew something was wrong after the wedding kiss. If John dies, Francesca mourns him and eventually falls in love with his female cousin, that would be fine and would still work. But making it so that Francesca never really romantically loves him and immediately falls in love with Michaela, does a disservice to John and their romance. Her gender isn't the issue, the issue is that Francesca immediately feels more desire towards her than she does John. They could have made her bi and kept the same storyline as the books with Michaela but it seems like they are implying that she is gay. Fran being gay wouldn't matter if her relationship with John wasn't a love match and they didn't get us invested in their romance. If John was more like a friend to her and their marriage was out of duty then her being closeted or having a queer awakening would be a much more interesting story.
Justice for Michael.
The problem is that the show has already established that regency era misogyny still exists. Daphne and Simon had to get married just because they made out in the garden. There is no way that Michaela can run through women in the ton and still be a part of that society. Otherwise, they would already be breaking their own established lore. And no matter if you consider that 'fanfiction' or not, it's just bad writing.
You've kind of answered your own question. And keep in mind this isn't a defense of whether this will be written well or not, but a response to you saying it's implausible simply because of a gender swap.
A society like this is propped up not just by rules but by shame. If Micheala is seducing half of polite society, they are insentivized to keep that secret to preserve their own standing. In much the same way a queer person would choose their lovers with care, a promiscuous person would do the same. We just watched Lady Tilly Arnold do that very thing for a season while her other lover, a man, avoided polite society altogether. It can be and, more importantly, was done.
The same applies to men. Patriarchy benefits them but also cages them. They have more room to move, but they still had to exercise some discretion lest they insult some husband, father, brother, etc, and wind up dead or in court. In the marriage market they also have things to lose and want an advantageous match that comes with a dowry and social standing.
You mentioned Simon and Daphne as if they aren't also a prime example that the lines of proprietary are crossed even when the stakes are life ruiningly high. Lust has been stronger before even with our most technically chaste couples.
Also, you're assuming that misogyny and sexism as it regards a sexually fluid and autonomous woman won't be broached just because she chooses to be that way and gets away with it to some extent. As far as I can tell the show has changed several things in order to broach systemic consequences that highlight racial tension and misogyny, like Pen's story and how they broached the threat of exposure in the books vs the show. Micheala will spend some of her time traveling, and all too often history is edited with much more chastity than the people experienced. Shame sometimes works as an accellarant, which is why the more prudish that society was, the more it struggled with exploring that in their art or with keeping double lives and secrets.
All this to say, the rules can and have been broken. Point to a time period and its rules and you'll find an example of someone who broke them all and came out fine, and someone who followed them all and ended up ruined.
that’s your own personal opinion. it’s not bad writing just because YOU think so. it’s happening, get over it.
Michaela could be a widow herself, or just classed as a spinster, or literally any other term that deems her worthy of being in society but not held to the same expectations as the unmarried. Gay women DID exist back then, and they DID have sex with each other. Maybe they had to be sneaky or secretive, and maybe they couldn't have the same "rakish" title loud and proud, but they could easily seduce other women or yes- even bed them. Ignoring the many many many ways they could make it work to just say "it's impossible!!" Is the least imaginative and most historically inaccurate take on this topic that I've seen
@@transmatizedyes it is bad writing, it’s not an opinion, it’s plain technicality
we can't call it bad writing before we even see how it's gonna work lmao.
Literally, the Featherington storyline about their title and estate proves their view on female inheritance. If they give Michaela the title, they have conflict with a pre-established idea. Not to mention, marriage would not be acceptable between them, or it conflicts with the storylines of Benedict. They can have Michaela be a rake, but they already established how women with status are not allowed to be sexually promiscuous, and if she is known to be, there isn't a likelihood that the title of Kilmartin would go to her. They could have Francesca not have a miscarriage, but that will change the character completely. They already changed who was attracted to who at the start, which changes Francesca and her relationship with John. They are creating a new character out of the name and love of the old one, which is quite insulting; make fanfiction instead. Great adaptations add to the story of the character, expanding on the established and hinted themes of the book that only film can do. This genderbending could work, but with other characters, not a storyline where the main themes rely on a character's specific sex and our real-world historical context of men and women. For this to work, the writers would have to try to write a whole different in-universe history on how men and women treat each other/their roles for the inheritance/relationship to work similarly to the book, or find some cheap work around to force the storyline to fit. Trying to retain the dynamics with two women feels like a break to the story's reality. They definitely made this change last minute because they failed to build up the world to foreshadow this being acceptable and realistic. If they wanted to foreshadow, they could have used benedict's season 2 storyline with the artist, having the artist say, "I could go live in Scotland with my lover, and though peculiar, we would be allowed to be together, but I have commitments to my wife and family and must choose to honor my family and house before my desires." They could’ve also used Colin’s traveling to hint at him witnessing homosexual relationships and where it was acceptable. But they didn't foreshadow; this came out of left field .
She explained Scotland had different laws and customs
@@izmatopia4347 I also mentioned it should have been foreshadowed about scotland, though you may have commented before my edit.
@amber_b1723 I totally agree with you.
Well the featheringtons aren't in Scotland so the bring up Scotland inheritors laws as foreshadowing wouldn't make sense. We would only hear that conversation with a Scottish solicitor. So I presume after John dies, we'll get that conversation.
Also we do see that women can be rakes. Tilley is a great example, but even in season 1 we saw men and women of titled status engaging in numerous sexual affairs.Albeit through Benedicts eyes we see that queen relationships exist. And I'm sure that Michaela can be just like Tilley or like the Ladies of season one's sex party.
I do agree with you on the foreshadowing bit, but I don't think Benedict could have suggested something like "go to scotland" unless he already understood his sexuality and the legal limilations of his sexuality as it related to marriage. That only happens in season 3.
Still, I can't say it's left field. The more I think of the more, the more it can make sense. If Francesca's story is showing how love, and subsequently, how falling in love can be different, I assume that this will also show how marriage can be different. Aside from the Scottish and English law, I foresee Francesca and Michaela being "married," not before the queen, but within the queer community.
The studder and inability to accept this relationship is akin to Violet not understanding how Francesa and John can get to know each other without talking to one another. And to that I say, maybe this isn't your type of relationship. Honestly, I feel like this may just be a story that can't be digested through a heterosexual lens. But if you want it to "make sense", or rather align with heterosexual expectations, maybe just read the book or watch seasons 1-3.
@@lydia-roseaigbedion6025They could have foreshadowed with the Featheringtons; they could have had one of the featherington girls ask why the title had to be held by a man, I.e., the cousin, and Portia could respond “this isn’t Scotland where they have different rules on inheritance”.
Yes they could make Michaela a rake like Tily, but they established a sexual freedom that widowed women have that unmarried women do not, such as with lady Danbury choosing not to marry again, or behavioral explorations of married women showed to Daphne with the gambling and drinking in season 1. Unless they make Michaela a widowed woman, it would be harder to establish an unmarried woman being a rake.
I do understand and can believe the themes of loving unnaturally compared to the rest of the Bridgerton family, but they spoiled the soft love approaches by having Francesca forget her name and fumble when meeting Michaela for the first time. They already changed what love story John and Francesca will have, and going forth with Michaela and Francesca will change the characters completely. It’s not wrong to have homosexual characters, but again, when you make new characters out of old loved ones, you piss off a fandom.
I loved the books and the show, but this last season was too rushed and they messed up the storylines by trying to shove everything together shortly. They could’ve spent the last few seasons hinting at Colin’s love for writing by showing him writing, or how this last trip he took changed him so much compared to his last several. They also messed up on Benedict’s storyline by making ending his arc with not wanting to be tied down in a relationship, so the next season, likely his, will be rushed to have him commit to a partner.
They could’ve made this gender swap work if they planned rather than rushed it. We as an audience should not be connecting so many dots the writers failed to establish in order to justify a change that’s supposed to be representative a a different kind of love. I hope the quality improves in the next seasons. And as for my type of relationship, I could care less who the love interest is, but if the work isn’t done by the writers, no scene is that compelling. I felt little during the heterosexual scenes between Colin and Penelope because the work wasn’t done; the slow burn of their relationship wasn’t done well. I don’t have an issue with the sexuality but the writing.
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As much as I appreciate your position, I disagree when it comes to this particular book. Michael signifies more than just masculinity, its shared grief he and Franny had for John, its the fact that Franny lost her first child and that her being physical with with Michael was at first contingent on her conceiving and after they married it became a weight on Michael first wanting a child to make Franny happy and then admitting to wanting a child himself. So no, I also disagree that Michael and Franny didn't have issues with fertility issues within** their relationship. And most of all, Franny's inner conflict of loving John so much that she didn't want a love that could change that and how she had to come to the self realization that she loved Michael deeply and in a much more profound way. And no, I have no issue with lesbian storylines or even shows or movies based in LGBT+ characters but not every story is interchangeable.
I do like your description that adaptions can be fan fiction but that isn't the direct definition of adaptation. What Netflix's version of Bridgerton is, is more parody than fan fiction or adaptation.
If Bridgerton is a parody, doesn't that mean a Francesca/Mikayla storyline is fair game? I would prefer they things alone and proceed with the original storyline.
if it’s a “parody” why do y’all care so much about accuracy? it’s their parody (which has the original author’s blessing) to do with it what they want.
Great points!
@@transmatized Because the show doesn't sell itself as a parody.
@@gems3604 Not really. I call it a parody in insult, not classification. Its is what happens when you say you are doing one thing but in reality you've been doing the opposite all along.
I would think the gender swap would have worked if we didn't have the whole season of Francesca falling love, fighting for approval of her love because it's different than her families idea of love. Standing up to society/the Queen in that she isn't directly following what they want for her, getting married and moving on in her life to be her own woman. It would have worked, regardless of the gender swap, if we had Michaela being the one falling in love at first sight like Francesca did. You can't give the fans a sweet loving story of someone who is different finding someone who is just like them and finding their own peace and way of life and Throwing It All Away on the wedding day. Now we all know the drama is not that she's going to have a happy life being in love with someone she is fought for, there's now an expectation of extramarital Affairs and angst. But her love story was very soft and I know from the book it goes downhill from there not because she fell in love with someone else. She has fertility issues and her husband dies. Now there's the whole drama of side he says only a man can inherit a title and she's now Lesterville because she's a widow. So she's lost a lot in the books and then find love after all that loss. By changing it that she zings / Falls madly in love at first sight with Michaela, that undermines quite a lot of the storyline. And saying essentially she messed up she didn't marry someone she loved she married someone because he was quiet and he provided a way to not live and the social outings of society and the excitement of her very large family.
I don't care about the gender swap, I care that we along with her fell in love with them as a couple and she "TRULY" falls in love with someone. And not undermines not only the characters love story, but is reaffirming that this is the only way you can love someone.
I go back and forth on my feelings about the genderbend. Do I want at least one queer Bridgerton? Yes! Do I think it makes sense for Francesca's show counterpart? Also yes! Do I think your theories about how Michaela can be successfully incorporated into the story are viable? Most definitely! But do I trust the writers of the show to execute such a momentous change with skill and precision? I'm not sure. Bridgerton as an intellectual property has a very clunky relationship with anachronism. It neither fully embraces its status as escapist fantasy, nor does it attempt to examine how the alternative historical landscape in which it exists is conceivably constructed. In its present state, the show just sort of meanders between the two. Essentially, it has commitment issues.
Now normally this is not an issue and it's all in good fun. But the bar for queer media is in hell. The show has had several opportunities to explore queerness in its world and has done so very unevenly. One could argue even halfheartedly. Can the writer's room successfully demonstrate that Francesca's story is about embracing passion and chasing happiness even though it looks utterly different than the happiness you knew before? Can they showcase the nuance of the line between pleasure and intimacy and the way shared grief compounds, conflates, and entangles the two? Most importantly can they imbue Francesca and Michaela with enough of the spirit of what makes their story special? I'm skeptical after seeing how their first meeting was shot. Spice is nice and I love it as much as the next child of Tumblr. But show me that you understand the spark that makes it all work in the first place.
Oh, I have ZERO belief that the writers will get it right. And I have ZERO faith in the directors being able to capture the nuances for the scenes. Like you said Dylan, the bar for me is in HELL right now, so I'm just bracing myself for the trainwreck. If they happen to surprise us and do a brilliant job of the story and the layers of the characters to give us something that is heartfelt and warm and compelling and true to the characters and their journeys, I shall be screaming from the rooftops!!
Until then, I am team "I expect nothing, so my disappointment isn't immeasurable" 😭😭
Taking source material - and source characters - and writing "fanfic" is lazy writing, especially for professionals who are getting paid to write entertainment for the masses. Not that fanfic isn't fun and enjoyable and doesn't serve a purpose for allowing us to play with characters we love. But fanfic was never meant to be a replacement for the original source. No one would accept as canon a new movie in which Harry Potter falls in love with Draco Malfoy, as much fun as we all have reading Harry/Draco fanfic.
We have 3 seasons' worth of proof that the writers of Netflix Bridgerton are more than willing and able to make up new characters and storylines for the show that weren't in the original books - Mondriches, Lady Tilly, Queen Charlotte - so there is no reason whatsoever that they could not have written an original queer romance to include in the TV Bridgerton world and left the book characters as-is. No matter how many ways you can demonstrate how a Michaela can work instead of a Michael, a Michaela is a different character than a Michael. Period. While I understand that adaptations and allowances have to be made in translating a book-based story into a visually-based story, I think in this case they've done a disservice to the fans who loved the books.
Yessss!!!! All what you said. An adaptation is not fanfiction. Tweaking race is not a problem for me because it's an "imaginary show" that establishes some form of the era's historical structure and maintains the Bridgerton storyline. I also think that it was also a story for heterosexual fantasy, hence the need to have Michael as a fantasy be realised. Michael is not my main lead that I had fancied, but I would imagine that it's disappointing to see the male lead one impose one's fantasy on being changed into a woman. They already explored the queer representation for Benedict and also represented one in Queen Charlotte. I dont understand why they need to make Francesca's whole story change because the showrunner felt that she wanted to represent herself into the character. Make another character as a subplot or something that we can root besides the main plot. Make a whole other Bridgerton spin-off like fanfiction do when they want to explore other theories/alternatives to what is canon. A canon is a canon for a reason 😣
Please, if you are gonna say Michaela does not embody Michaela after THAT introduction then I have no idea what to say other than you are ignoring it for the sake of hate. Michaela had rizz and confidence within her first 30 seconds, and is literally what Michael is in the books .
The thing is, they wouldn't even have to make up a queer character. In book 8 we meet Lord Halesby, who's gay. They could introduce him way earlier and make him a recurring side character and give him an intriguing side plot. I Would love to watch that. I don't love to watch queer Fran.
@@awsome182 You haven't seen Queer Fran yet so what? Also, Lord Halesby is literally in the last book when Gregory is aged and he is the same age as him- in what way would they be able to introduce him earlier?
@@funkycrawler619 Why do you have to say that I'm hating something just because I don't agree with the choice to change a male character into a female character all for the sake of representation? For all you know, I could be LGBTQ+ myself. You don't know me. I don't care how charismatic "Michaela" was/is on the show. Have that same actress be on the show as a new character in an original same-sex relationship that ISN'T depicted in the original book instead "fanfic" writing it. And Michael in the book is more than just "charismatic". He's a man, something Michaela will never be.
The whole issue is in the bridgerton universe we have already established that people couldn’t be openly queer its been established in previous seasons and as well as in Queen Charlotte. The story does change simply because it is now going to be about discovering their queer identity the only way it doesn’t diverge to much is if Michaela is a trans woman. The only reason I’m personally annoyed at it is because we had to endure the disrespect of season 3 if the writers only cared about the ending being like the book we could have had a much better season 3.
And also wouldn't Francesca lose her home after miscarriage because it is already clearly mentioned that women do not inherit property in the bridgerton universe? So Micheala won't inherit... I suppose then in that case the writers would maybe not have her miscarriage so she has a son that will be the heir... that way they can make her lesbian bc she already has a kid...
It has been established, but that does not mean they can't change it? Progress in the show world is already years ahead of actual history so there is nothing stopping them from progressing queer rights outside of caving into bigotry. Moreover, canonically, QC knows Brimsley is gay but hasnt forced him to come out to her cause it isnt her place BUT this does show she is cognisant of queer rights. Point being, queer rights being progressed in the show is NOT off the table.
I watched your entire video and I did my best to come in with an open mind. The unfortunate thing is that I'm not entirely convinced. By the end of the day, it still doesn't take away from the fact that it still feels like self-insertion. It doesn't change the fact that I still feel betrayed. Maybe that could change after 2 years since that's enough time to think things through.
Let's say that 2 years pass by and S4 comes out. If S4 is supposed to be Jess Brownell's best work and we still came out of that unimpressed, what makes anyone think that Fran's story is worth it to any of us? After how Kanthony and Polin's story were treated so badly, I don't think I can support a show that took 2 years to give us a subpar story. I'll probably stick around for whatever is left between Benofie or Philoise.
So my conclusion is if S4 is what we wanted and they can prove that these writers aren't as trash as we expect them to be then maybe there is a chance for Franchela. The writers are at Strike 2 with a lot of us. Just saying. 3 Strikes and we've had enough.
You know what? Those are very valid concerns. I too don’t have the strongest trust in the writers. They’ve failed us so many times so I do think it makes perfect sense to feel like they won’t pull through. The only thing that’s giving me a little hope is that like you said, there have been claims that season 4 is the best season (although why isn’t it Polin??? Polin deserves a great season too dammit!!! 😭😭🤧). Also, Jess is only confirmed to be the showrunner for those two seasons (3 and 4). It is possible that Bridgerton wants to have a revolving showrunner situation where we only have a specific showrunner for two seasons and then they move on 🤷🏾♀️. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it works out. But I definitely feel you on it being a self-insertion. It totally is. I just hope it works out. I love Fran’s story so much. I hope they don’t mess it up too much 😭😭
@@ChroniclesofNoria Even though right now I'm not convinced, I'm grateful for you sharing your video. Maybe your POV could grow on me. Who knows?
@@Dutch_chess thank you ☺️☺️. Here is hoping that they at least handle her story and season with some grace 😭😭
I apart of me thinks I can’t let the writers cook because I’m so devasted with season 3’s writing for polin and I was really routing for this season.
I am so happy you mentioned that change they could make about Francesca's pregnancy. I also want to add that if Benedict and Eloise get their stories first it would be 3 years instead of 2. Which is more impactful in an infertility storyline than 2 years
Ooooooh. That is a great point!!!
@@ChroniclesofNoriaI'm obsessed with Mortal Instruments too. Read the books as they were being released
@@suzygirl1843 yesssssss!!! How excited are you for the Wicked Powers 😭😭😭😭
beautiful take, at first i questioned why make her the queer sibling but the idea that she always felt like the odd one out is pretty sound. Plot wise Francesca’s position as a widow allows scandalous activities to be more easily swept under the rug, as we’ve seen in our own history and in this story with respectable ladies like Tilly and Danbury. I could see them taking Francesa and Michele’s story down a “and they were roommates” situation, i adore the idea of them taking advantage of scotlands unorthodox ways and have them marry with Michel taking advantage of her title as earl. Makes me sad to think they’d probably once again have to forgo a big ceremony :(( but a win is win. thanks for putting your thoughts together so well, i look forward to your next!!
I didn't know much about Francesca's (book) story when I saw the scene that introduced us to Michaela. I took her reaction to Michaela as confusion that her life with John wouldn't be as they discussed. At first, Eloise invites herself to stay with them and then she meets John's cousin that she doesn't seem to have known about and finds out that she'll also be living with them. It made sense to me that she'd be confused as she is looking forward to a new calm and noise-free life with her husband. Having 2 additional people in their life, one of whom she doesn't even know, promises to be the exact opposite of calm.
After (involuntarily) learning about the importance of Michael/Michaela for Francesca's story, I am curious to see how their story develops. Your take on it works for me as the crucial elements from the book story totally work for the show (if done well). I just don't quite understand why they introduced us to Michaela now. That first encounter could have been shown in a flashback scene once it's Francesca's season. I wonder if they are trying to gauge which Bridgerton sibling would be the best to lead next season based on fan reception. They made a clear reference to Benedict at the end, in my opinion, but it's strange that they refuse to say who is next. Their reasoning for it - to let Polin enjoy their moment - doesn't make total sense to me as it's not removing the spotlight off them. These little elements foreshadowing something from the books aren't my thing.
Same here... she doesn't look in love to me, she looks like she's caught off guard. Her being flustered is how she seemed to be with everyone in the whole season so it didn't strike me as love at first sight, it just seemed like her being flustered that she would be traveling with a stranger when all she wanted, and had been very vocal about looking forward to, was peace. I frankly don't get why the fertility arc can't be with John instead... that would be the only thing I would have worried about preserving bc that is such a personal thing and I can understand how it would resonate with many... but it can STILL happen. There are so many themes and things to explore with her story and Michaela being a woman only adds to her layers, it doesn't REMOVE any in my opinion. I've only watched the show and had literally everything spoiled just by scrolling on Facebook, never read the books... but I am one of those people who doesn't mind when adaptations..... adapt the source material, even stuff I really love.
Great notes about Scottish Law.
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I had read about Abeyance allowing women to potentially inherit titles, which would open the way to Countess Michaela in a way that British primogeniture law would not.
So I am guessing compared to the book she has kids with John and when he dies she will have a relationship with the sister while raising the children!!
Yup. At least that’s how I see it possibly working out. But the writers might decide to make it even worse than what I’ve proposed in which case we will just have to see what they come up with 😂
Okay am going to be a pain and that person as I get the work put you have put in and you are right about the adaption part but in terms of Bridgerton they haven't set things up at present to work.
1. If Francesca has a baby of any gender with John then Michaela can't inherit - doesn't matter if Michaela is the elder female it is primogentor and John's legit female child would inherit before his oldest female relative.
2. I have a question then if the Kilmartin's are going to be an old Scottish title in the show for Michaela to inherit - how does that work? Where they titled pre the great experiment? If so what is the point of the Great experiment? You seriously see the British monarchy as portrayed in the show giving up land and title if they had other options or even a stopgap to try by calling in the Sterlings if established before they went for the great experiment?
And if they are going to make them part of the great experiment - then how then did they get that title? It wouldn't be vacant to hand out as Scottish titles get handed down to males and females to prevent them from going into abeyance? Are they going to say they kicked out the last Lord Kilmartin to give it the land and title to the Sterlings - that is going to look good that the Great experiment was at the expense of families who kicked out of homes simply to make Queen Charlotte not be out of place?
3. But basically if you have to look up how peerage and the possibility on how non sanctified marriage works on the country next door to where a show is set, it means that the show hasn't world built enough to allow its foreshadowing to flourish - it isn't close to 'Palpatine somehow came back.' But it is causing more hassle than good story telling.
Good point!
I think that's the crux of the problem. The current showrunners do not instill any confidence that they could handle a queer Francesca storyline with the dignity and grace it deserves. I wish they would leave a really good thing that currently exists alone and go experiment with another character. They are hacks!
@@gems3604 yea I mean they suck at adapting, I can only imagine their original stories will be even worse
@@erinandthe1580 Probably, and I know I am way over thinking things the only way I think they can get around the logistics is the following but it will make things so so much worse.
1. You can have Francesca have a baby and Michaela get a Scottish title - John dies, Michaela inherits and Francesca has a second husband to have her baby then gets together with Michaela. But that means the show creating a second husband for Francesca who is purely there to provide baby gravy then die again.
2. And there is a way they could explain a way that the Kilmartins could get a Scottish title as part of the great experiment so saying there was still a need - it was taken from the original Kilmartins by the crown or they died out for a reason but it makes the kicking established families out of their homes so much worse.
Because unfortunately the likely reason for the crown having taken a title or land from someone in Scotland so having the ability to gift a vacant established Scottish title that operated in traditional Scottish manner in the 1760's is that 15 years before Queen Charlotte's setting was a little thing called Jacobite uprising which lead to Culloden that means that Bridgerton would be saying some of the people titled during the great experiment benefited from the aftermath of that. Now I get that many gentle viewers of Bridgerton may not be history buffs (even though people obviously went hunting in Scottish peerage to check how Michaela could inherit after the show laying it down thick that women can't otherwise). But it isn't a stretch to say the group that like Bridgerton possibly have watched an episode or two of Outlander which showed that Scotland and the British crown pre and post Culloden were not having a fun relationship and that fact it might taint the whole great experiment as those viewers put two and two together.
@@fazzieman674 I mean I know my brain is also thinking logistics but knowing this show they might just legalize gay marriage and same sex adoption in 1820 and all this thinking will be for nothing 😂 I am hoping they just maybe have Francesca not have any children, so no man operates purely as “sperm donor” as that seems mean to John’s character or anyone else
I only found your channel last month and you might be one of my favorite creators on here
Ooooh. This is the nicest thing anyone has said to me this week. Thank you 🥹🥹🥰
Excited for an objective video over Michaela's appearance, thanks for the video✨✨
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@@ChroniclesofNoria Send your dissertation to the writers so they can do it right. Well done!
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You know what? I think you provided a brilliant defense and advocacy of "Franchayla." Thank you for providing the background legal history of irregular marriages and the Scottish peerage system. Thank you for conceding the way the current showrunner introduced Mikayla was wrong-footed. Thank you for acknowledging the utter loveliness of the Francesca and John Kilmartin storyline that played out in Season 3. I am glad you replayed the wedding kiss scene. So many people said it was "lackluster." But what I was an incandescent Francesca and two faces displaying bliss. I guess people see what they want to see.
As much as I want to disagree with you, I will concede that a Michaela/Francesca storyline could work as you outlined. The social history aspect is very compelling. Maybe they should hire you as the story editor. Such a story would require a level of rigorous attention to detail and command of the subject matter to shape the narrative with finesse that I do not believe the current showrunner can handle. Maybe the original creator Chris Van Dusen could, but not Jess Brownell. This might be even heavy lifting for Shonda Rhimes.
The only part of your argument that I want to push back on is why not just create an original queer storyline? Start with a clean slate. Create a long lost Bridgerton relative and have at it. Alternatively, why not choose Eloise as the queer heroine? She has issues fitting in, albeit different from Francesca. Apparently a lot of fans would welcome a queer storyline with Eloise. I don't think there would be nearly as much resistance to the introduction of a queer storyline if Eloise was involved. Jess Brunell set her sights on Francesca. She identified with the "changeling" aspect of Francesca's character. In the show Francesca is quiet and keeps to herself. But she has an active mind. She seems very self aware. But she does bow to convention. She actively seeks the approval of the queen. She actually looks forward to participating in the debutant balls. She wants to be courted. I just don't buy a happily ever after story with Mikayla. Happy for now, maybe. At some point she would want to bow to convention. I don't see Francesca settling for a Lavender Marriage. But I could see Eloise being okay with it, and her family accepting. So what is it about Francesca that captivates everyone? Why do you think the showrunner wants Francesca to be the "initiator." Why? I think there is something much deeper going on than a simple connection of the showrunner to a particular character.
I was pretty skeptical about entertaining your arguments. But you acquitted yourself very well with your persuasive and eloquent advocacy. I learned a lot. I'm still bothered by how Mikayla was introduced in Season 3. But then I was pretty annoyed with Season 3 notwithstanding some good scenes. Jess Brownell and the previous showrunner Chris Van Dusen are hellbent on having a Bridgerton queer storyline. They want queer here, there and everywhere. Fine. They purchased the rights to adapt the book series and adapt it as they see fit. I don't have to like it. I can just read the books. And I will. Time to say goodbye to the Netflix Bridgerton series.
Thank you so much. I hoped that I was able to lay out my points in a way that’s clear and speaks to the subject matter and what I wanted to say. Glad to see that I did succeed to a point 😭😭.
Yes, Francesca story will need a deft hand. Someone who is able to really write her in a compelling way. I really do love her marriage with John. I have zero interest in marriage personally but what they had in the books made me convinced that if I ever do change my mind, that companionship is what I get 🤧. I sincerely hope that in Ben’s season, they show more of Francesca and John. I want more time of them being happy together as it would make me incredibly happy even as I brace myself for what comes next 😔.
I do agree that Eloise would have been a better fit for a queer storyline. Everyone could see it coming. I wonder if it’s like you said, and the writers wanted to do that thing that writers so and “subvert expectations” I hate it when they do that. Cuz like those expectations are valid!! Go through with it! Dammit!!
I’m sorry you’ll be leaving Bridgerton 😭. Hopefully you still catch glimpses of it in commentary videos and clips. Also, if we make it to season 7, I hope you come back for my girl and the love of my life, Hyacinth’s story 😭😭
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Eloise is the "obvious" choice because she is an outspoken feminist, but that's not all there is to being gay. You can outwardly "look" and "act" straight and be gay. You can be the most beautiful, perfect debutante who wants to be courted because it is the only option that has been laid out for you, because everyone has made it sound amazing and beautiful. It doesn't make you straight. Eloise would be a very very stereotypical depiction of queerness, although I still wouldn't mind her being gay as well. But gayness is not just about saying "why must we marry! I want to study and be free like the men do." Because if it were, all suffragettes and advocates for women's rights and anyone resisting the patriarchy would be gay too. So yes she's the obvious choice, and I think that's exactly why they are not going that route. It would be trite. Not to mention we have already seen her fall in love with a boy (not that she couldn't be bisexual, but still. She was very convincingly in love with the printer boy)
@@madsahren2208didn’t we see Francesca fall in love with a boy too? And actually marry that boy?
This was a really good video! Thanks for voicing all my thoughts. Well done.
Thank you ☺☺
It was a perfect response. Gonna link this everywhere.
Thank you ☺☺
thank you for this video, it’s amazing!
So I really think that Eloise is going to end up with Micheala.... She doesn't go to Scotland in the books. I'm hoping this is what's going to happen. In the show Eloise is heavily queer coded and she's the character fans really want to see get a queer romance. Maybe John might not even die at all.
Interesting. What makes Eloise "queer coded?" But I do agree she is the most logical character to build the queer storyline. She resents the whole mating ritual of the debutant balls. She is not interested in finding a husband. She doesn't feel comfortable following set gender roles and convention. She's a go getter. She's a feminist. I don't see her as a lesbian as much as I see her as open-minded. I do think it's interesting that they have Eloise going to Scotland with Francesca. Maybe the showrunners want to hedge their bets as they wait for the audience to weigh in . I think people have less of a problem with Eloise being queer than Francesca.
that is not going to happen. the writers have already confirmed in multiple interviews that michaela is francesca’s love intrest and that they are telling a queer story with her character. michaela is michael and they will end up together.
I thought the same!😅
i am so happy this video exists, amazing work :)
🥰🥰. Thank you
@@ChroniclesofNoria i hope the writers/producers find it and take notes!! would especially love to see those features of Scottish law worked in and naturalised, that would be so powerful (and i love how it functions as a massive f*ck you to folks who are pretending their homophobia is actually a defence of historical accuracy)
Hehehehe. I totally wouldn’t mind if the writers are inspired by it either 😄
Ok, you got me. Im on board.
You addressed everything i couldn't reconcile with my thoughts on. This can definitely work, but the writers need to do the work. No half-assing!
Yay!!! Glad I was able to convince you ☺☺.
The writers DEFINITELY need to put in the work. They can't make a mess of this, otherwise I am coming for their ass!!!
Yes, I am on board. That was good. Send that to the writers so they can do it right.
I thoroughly enjoyed your previous disrespect video, I took the time and watched this one twice before making my comment. You are completely correct that adaptions use the source material as a guide but they are never truly word for word accurate as the page. For example season two Kate was in a carriage accident and not thrown from a horse as the show depicted. The basic story remained the same which allowed book readers (i.e the people over the last 20 years who have grown to love and support the series) some excitement by not knowing exactly everything that will occur in the show. SPOILERS.......By changing the gender of Michael to Michaela, all Francesca's pain from multiple deaths and infertility issues are just thrown out the window. We all know this is fiction but the book and TV series has followed from the beginning some basic rules for that time period. So to assume that society would accept two women in a relationship in Scotland or England in the early 1800's is not accurate especially before the suffragettes is not realistic Yes, Lesbians were always legal in the UK and Scotland but it wasn't tolerated. My family from there and the disgusting ways women were treated for just loving someone is heartbreaking. As for Julia Quinn, I'm not sure why you were so offended? I lived in the UK and in reality back them there were very few people of color within Aristocratic circles who weren't guests, companions, stolen children or illegitimate. So what if she didn't imagine one into her original books. That's like reading any period piece book pre Victorian age and complaining that there was no diversity. Don't hate me but it's just facts. I'm just happy the show has given a new and fresh take but having multi cultural actors and explaining it in a way that is it almost an alternate universe so to speak. Lastly, and I hate to say this but piss off the fans and the show or movie always will suffer. Just look at the Marvel Films. My Fiancé and his friends use to drag me every time one of those movies came out in theater......Now they won't even watch them for free at home. It's always the same, change the story, destroy character arcs, piss off the fans ..... movie fails. I hope Bridgerton doesn't suffer the same fate because I don't want to hear about it for the next ten years like GOT how the show runner killed the show.
Firstly, I would like to say thank you. I know how hard it is to watch a video all the way through when the person who is speaking is making a point you disagree with. It's often pretty easy to just log off in disagreement. It happens and I have done the same. The fact that you watched it twice, to really process what I was saying before then typing out your comment means a lot to me. Thank you.
I do have some thoughts with regards your comment though, places where I agree and some where I disagree. I'm glad that we both agree that adaptations tend to treat their source material as a guide and do not often follow it, word for word or bar for bar. You mentioned GOT, and as someone who loves ASOIAF, let's just say the last three seasons of that show TESTED my patience 😂😂. I finished it though, but gods it was a struggle!!!
I don't know if I would necessarily agree that book readers were okay with the changes made to season 2 though. Like I love that season. It's my absolute favourite. But that's also because it adapted one of my top 3 books from the series and I was really excited to get Kanthony on screen. But I remember the uproar about the dragged on emotional cheating and infidelity scenes. And the protests about why on earth the show dragged on the drama for so long that they legit got all the way to Anthony almost marrying Edwina and if she hadn't called off their wedding, he would have gone ahead with it. Whilst still being in love with her sister. Like in the books, sure he expressed interest in Edwina initially, it wasn't as drawn out as they did in the show, and the minute the bee scene happened, it was races to the altar for them both. So although some readers were okay with that change, there were a lot of readers that weren't. Same way there were a ton of readers who weren't happy with Rege being cast as Simon and had #notmysimon trending for weeks, harassed Rege so much for taking on the role cuz he wasn't white Simon... It was disgusting.
Which brings me to your question about why I am so offended about what happened with Julia. I guess I didn't fully explain my ire with that and I apologize. Julia Quinn can decide who she has in her stories. She can decide if she wants it as an all-white story because she doesn't think Black people existed in the UK at that point, which I disagree with. David Olusoga's Black and British does go into anthropological study that gives concrete proof to disprove that claim. But that isn't what had me offended to be honest. What offends me is that she didn't stick to her guns. If truly, she made the decision to not include Black people in her story because she didn't want to be ahistorical, then why didn't she stick to her guns. When the outrage for Rege happened, she admitted that she gave permission for the story to be changed to fit Black people, same way as she has come out to say she also gave permission for the showrunners and writers to make Francesca queer. So my question is, if her concern all this while has been not being ahistorical, what changed?? Is it because it's now profitable? If that's the case, that is fine. Sis should get her bag. But I just want to point out the very obvious hypocrisy of that, because we see what is driving the changes. And how it's been very profitable for her and her sales. Plus, I'm still miffed at the "slave romance" comment as well because there are Black authors who write historical romances that aren't "slave romances"; Beverly Jenkins and Alyssa Cole being examples, and it just felt very dismissive you know? Like even if it was that Black folx wanted to write these stories, we can't possibly conceive of another setting other than one where our bodies were brutalized and we were sold as chattel. I found that very offensive as well. Hopefully, I've been able to better explain myself and why her comment set me off.
Like I said in the video, they can make Francesca's infertility and the miscarriages work. I hope they do, because infertility is a very real issue that a ton of women face. One of my very good friends is dealing with that right now, and it breaks my heart to watch her go through with that. Just as it breaks her wife's heart. Yes. My friend is queer. Queer women also have infertility issues. It is something that quite the substantial population face, and that's why I want it depicted. And like I mentioned in the video, if we move the infertility issues to being with John and not Michaela. We can still have all that pain, and have the story work. And with the way the writers have fucked up the timeline, someone in an earlier comment said that they might tweak things to make sense for Benedict and Eloise's story, so Francesca has between 3-5 years with John, which is more than enough time for us to explore that part of her story. Considering that the TV show has taken the route of having side characters take up space in each individual romance plots, having Francesca's fertility issues run all the way through Benedict AND Eloise's season before we then get to her season which starts with John dying can definitely work.
Unfortunately, I am with your fiancé on this with regards Marvel. I've stopped watching the movies or shows. The last one I saw was Hawkeye. As a comics fan, I'm miffed at how badly they nerved these characters. America and Kamala and Kid Loki and Riri As someone who was looking forward to the Young Avengers being depicted on screen, to go from excitement to not even caring anymore breaks my heart. But unfortunately, I know why. Marvel didn't give these characters their singular movies. Didn't let them be properly fleshed out, like they did with the OG Avengers and so therefore, we don't really care about them. Which is a shame cuz those kids deserve better. ^sigh^.
Anyway, this is where I'm going to stop for now. Sorry for my uber long reply. I just had a ton to say 😂
Thanks for the comment
@ChroniclesofNoria thanks for the response, and there no need to apologize. I truly enjoy your video!!!!
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While I disagree I still watched the whole video and enjoyed it, because you're such a great presenter and showcased your ideas really nicely and in a polite way, which is rare regarding this subject lol
I saw that other comments have documented well my thoughts already, so I won't repeat them, but I will just say that to me gender and race are different in this show's world (at least after QC's season), race swapping can happen easily and with zero consequences, but gender actually has big story weight in this world. Even in this season Pen has an exchange with Colin where she tells him smth like "you don't get it cause you're a not a woman" and that already proves to me that they are not interchangeable. Let's take the siblings, Anthony's story won't happen if he's a woman, Daphne's won't happen if she's a man, hell even Benedict would be a different person if Anthony were a woman. And Michael and Fran's story was the most dependent on their genders out of all of them. I can't even imagine them having Michael(a) as a rake or having them get together just cause Fran wanted him to get her pregnant. Can they tell a different story to make it work? Sure! But it WILL be a different story and not the one that is theirs or the one fans loved.
I personally definitely not see adaptation as a fanfic, I see it as bringing a story to the screen while making changes required for better book-to-screen transition. This change imo is not that, in fact this change is taking something that works seamlessly and then breaking it into something that doesn't work and then making up all new solutions and plot to make THAT wreckage work all over again and that's the case of if it ain't broke don't fix it lol
There is also a very simple fact that this series and all those couples have had their fans, every couple had their shippers, every character their fans. Some of us loved Michael and Franchael and wanted to see them on screen. I didn't love this series (I think books aren't good, but ironically Fran's book was the only good one that didn't need changing) and this was the only thing I was looking forward to for years, now I won't be getting that and I'm sad that we're the only ones who are left without our couple. But I won't be attacking anyone or fighting, I will just stop watching quietly and continue hurting for the lost years and shattered hope haha
Ooo I been waiting for your video!!!!!
Thank you. I hope it lived up to what you expected ☺
Because I had no idea who Michael was, I interrupted the meeting scene as her being confused why she had to introduce herself (instead of her husband doing it) especially immediately after her marriage. Like, how could she not already know who she is?
I was a little disappointed it wasn't the way I saw it.
Maybe Michaela is Michael's twin!!!!
Oooooh. That would be quite the twist! I don’t see it happening though but I will def be shocked if they rewrite it that way 😂
😂 I was thinking the same.
The new showrunner, lesbian, said she saw herself in Francesca so she made her queer. She basically turned Michael into Michaela to appease herself.
It’s the Khabie Kushi Kabbie Gham reference for me
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Thank you so much for explaining that the quiet kiss was perfect between John and Francesca. It suits them and their quiet glow, and I loved it. ❤
You’re welcome!!! I loved it too 🥹🥹
The way i would see this working is first, they shouldn't have made her a blubbering mess on the first meeting, as many have said it diminishes the build up ofbher relationship with john, for Francessa and John have this sweet, mellow and calm love, the kind of love where they can sit in silence and be whole.
I feel like the showrunner was too eager to hint their future plans, hence souring all the previous buildups. So in order to combat that slight up, what they could do during that season is to at least give time to show Francessa and John's relationship in its entirety, show that calm but passionate love, show that marriage bliss, don't have him die off screen, the impact has to hit Francessa and it must show.
Also, since the book is being loosely adapted anyway, i would give Francessa a child maybe after some miscarriages, if inheritance is an issue, let them have a son before John passes, so now not only is she a widow but she's now a single mother, raisng her infant son by herself in a castle, the warmth has gone, her family asks her to come back but she refuses, she doesn't want to leave John.
Michaela is with her every step of the way, who comes to her aid at any moment, as the book suggests let her be filled with guilt mayba add a backstory of how the rest of John's family and other nobles shun her and how it was only John who was genuine with her and stood up for her, how she truly loved and respected him and now here she is developing feelings for his wife or in her mind stealing something from John, and go from there.
This is just off the top of my head. So if the showrunner wants to make this season a succcess, they have to put in the work and give the writers room space and time to craft a good story, they can't just jump into this relationship, they can't do rushed work that was the Polin season, they can't turn it into a messy love triangle filled with any cheating of any kind. It has to be honest and properly thought out.
I haven't read any of the books, so i am just going off writng instinct, and i don't really watch bridgerton, but i am interested in adaptation and writing discourse, so this topic caught my eye.
Anyway, thats what i feel, haven't finished the video, so i will get back to it
Finally a level headed and well thought out respnse to the change. So many people claiming "its historically inaccurate!!! Its impossible!" Without knowing ANY actual history or using ANY imaginative thinking. I trust the show runners- yes season 3 was clunky and its a shame that it was basically a test for the new show runner. But i think they will work out the kinks and deliver really great seasons in the future. And as a lesbian, we deserve to see beautiful sexy romances - and DO NOT say "make your own shows then," because everyone knows damn well that lesbian centric shows get cancelled after one season, or never made at all 🙃
THIS! I got so many homophobic comments on a TikTok I made praising the change that were all saying “wahhhhh it’s not historically accurate” and when I asked if they had that concern in previous seasons, I got no response 🤔 also people have also told me that “oh but but but Francesca can’t have babies!” A quick google search will tell them that the first artificial insemination was in like 1790 or something. So she could. She’s got that Bridgerton money, I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Show Francesca is coded autistic, and if in the book it says she feels like a "changeling" trying to figure out how being human works, that makes total sense. In the past, children with neurodiversities were bullied and shunned, and explanations like "changeling" were used to justify such prejudicial treatment. A "changeling" is a substitute left by a supernatural being who supposedly "stole" the original child. (Personally, I believe in the supernatural, but ALSO in science and neurotypes, and nuanced understandings of such things! Ill-treatment due to prejudice is never okay for whatever reason!)
Also: the autistic community has higher incidence of non-heterosexual sexual orientation (and also other things, like gender dysphoria). So it's definitely interesting to explore both the spectrum AND queerness with Francesca's story. :)
I didn't know that abt the "changeling" thing! Very cool. Show Francesca definitely read as an autistic woman to me
Yeah. As someone who is neurodivergent and queer, Fran’s storyline definitely resonates. Gods. I really hope they do a great job with her story cuz I would RIOT if they don’t!
You obviously never saw or knew an autistic person in your life. Being shy or introverted is not being autistic. If you are right it's then a very bad representation.
Lmao you basically just told the fandom: BE CREATIVE!!!
and they’re still in the comments crying because their brains can’t make it work 😭
@@transmatized because it still doesn’t make sense!!!!!!!
@@LoveK1Exactly, no creativeness can solve the infertility problem - same sex couples by default can't have children, like ever; Francesca in both of her heterosexual marriages struggled with infertility but ultimately with Michael succeeded in having a child , natural way. Michael was a tremendous support for her in her battle to have children, heck she only got wanted to get married the second time in order to have children. So no, they ruined her storyline
Has nothing to do with lack of creativity. Michaela will NEVER be Michael, especially in the Bridgerton regency era.
Thank you for speaking on the sources you added. With that information this could work. I wonder how they'll present that when their story comes out
Honestly I’m praying cuz the show can really fuck things up if they don’t handle this well 😔. Here is hoping the writers put their back into this and give us something solid!!!
@@ChroniclesofNoriaExactly. This could work & be amazing. But the writers room do have to be really careful & thoughtful in a way they haven’t yet proven to me they can do. There’s multiple sensitive topics to be handled, especially when paired with the current world/lore building in-show-verse that have to be bent, stretched or plain old broken to make it work… 😔🤷♀️
I want the writers room to prove my concerns wrong on this one just as they have on so many other issues/occasions, but I don’t trust them enough yet to believe they can successfully pull this off without committing a cardinal sin of writing even when you accept the framing of an adaptation as fanfiction & stretch it to the limits.
There’s times when an adaptation can feel like fanfiction while still functioning & feeling like a canon building of the source material because it’s so well done… then there’s adaptations that feel like fanfiction because they’re poorly written & take away from the source material. I don’t want Bridgerton to be cursed into becoming the latter through this change that has so much potential yet already feels like we’re veering into a fanfiction of the show’s canon…. 😢
Ultimately, I’m cautiously excited for what this change could bring, but I’m not optimistic enough when it comes to the writers to do justice to both the essence of the book and the essence of the show’s already established lore whilst challenging it, no matter how much I want to be. I’m ultimately on board with this change, I just don’t trust that the Fran/Michaela ship is safe in the waters of the current writers room & that leaves me nervous because I want this gender bent ship to work.
Hope that makes sense.
Found your channel recently and I really like your videos and how you structure them etc. - if I had one suggestion, it would be much easier to follow your train of thought if the background music wouldn't be so loud ☺️ maybe it's my adhd, but I really can't "hear" you properly and I really would like to! ✨
Thank you so much. I tried reducing the volume of the music in my most recent videos. Would love it if you checked out my last video (the book recommendations one), and let me know if the volume is better: thank you 😊
Thank you for this video!!! Im excited to see how the story unfolds between Fran and Michaela 💜💜💜
Thank you ☺☺
I hope people who like the gender swap will enjoy the show very much. I won't watch it if it's the main story line just like I don't watch anything else that doesn't interest me.
Thank you 😊. I’m hoping they do well by it. It’s okay if it’s not your cup of tea. We all like what we like and that’s okay 🤷🏾♀️
I want to note that Michaela thought Eloise was Francesca because she was standing next to John. So Michaela flirted with 'Eloise'. When Francesca introduced herself, Michaela was like "oopsie".
Oooooh. Now I have to rewatch that scene. I didn’t clock that!!
"Adaptations are fanfics that writers get paid for" is such a genius concept I had to pause the video just to process it; it makes a freakish amount of sense looking back at my favourite and least favourite adaptations.
Really enjoyed this video, you are incredibly entertaining to listen to. I'm a none book reader who had Francesca's story spoiled due to fan reactions to Michaela, which left me a bit uncertain how to feel about her. But your perspective is not only refreshingly positive but actually makes me very eager to see how it will play out in the show, you've pointed out so much potential for this to be a great storyline.
That's an instant subscribe from me, very eager to start working through your other videos.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video 🥹. When it finally clocked for me that adaptations are basically fanfiction, it has made it immensely easier for me to just simply enjoy the story we get. And any time I miss the source material, I go back to read or watch it to cleanse my palate. It’s how I stay sane 😂😂.
Welcome to the family and my channel. Hope you find the rest of my content just as enlightening and entertaining 🥹
Love your take on their story :) hopefully the writers do right
Thank you 😊. I too hope the writers treat the story with the care it deserves
I liked that in Episode 3 of Season 3 Colin pretended he was asking his mom advise about Fran instead of himself, because in the books he gave advise to Michael to help Fran. Now with the swap I imagine he’ll advise Fran directly about romancing a long time friend.
Oooooh. That would be a nice change. It would also make a lot of sense!! For both of them. Unlike how sudden it seemed in the book for Colin to be so chatty out of the blue with Michael, which Michael called out
You have a beautiful voice, Noria.
Thank you 🥰🥰
Maybe so, but I don’t know any series or adaptations that is truly successful that the fans of the original disapprove of. There are some that is better than the book/original. I dare say some of those are the first 2 seasons of Brigerton. This usually comes when the show enrich the story while still keeping its core. In this case, the original fans and the series new fans come together and appreciate the adaptation together. Currently, people are horribly disappointed with Collin and Pen’s story (same for me) and now this. Let’s see how far the fandom would go with the fan of the origin more or less aborting the adaptation of what is debatably one of the more popular book of the series. No shade on the show writer’s part, just an observation that it might be a big success or Brigerton might fade after season 4.
And I disagree on the classification. Someone says that this is a parody and I am inclined to agree. Furthermore, I don’t think you can turn Michael into Michaela without significantly changing Fran’s story as well as established lore. But to each their own, I suppose. I’ll leave the appraisal to the future fans since this is likely my last season as well as my last Netflix subscription before they bring Anne with an E or Michael back.
*no one else thought maybe it's going to be Eloise and Michael - that last scene had Eloise eyeing Micheala - I know it doesn't stick to books but if behind the scenes they'll wrap up the series then maybe?
YES!!!! I LOVED!!
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It doesn't works i usually don't have problems with adaptation
If they want to make changes and to add something new to make more representation but only where it makes sense.
For Francesca it doesn't work because of themes of her story and for this to work they should wait to introduce her second love interest.
Because even if it was a gay it make it seem like she didn't really love Lord Kilmartin.
Thanks for videos 💕
it does work and the fact that you can’t see that is a condemnation of you and not the show 🙏🏽
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I have dyslexia and dysgraphia
@@transmatized if I am honest I don't care too much about Francesca if u ask me she could have be trans and I would not care.
What I want is good stories.
If they want to do this story line they should have put more care into it it was rushed and cheap to me. How they have handled this.
If I am completely honest I don't have trust in writers to do this story justice especially when they could have gone this route with Eloise or Benedict. I think that Benedict was perfect for it.
Much love 💕
Ps: English is my trid language.
@@transmatized correct me if I am wrong but two of many themes of Francesca's story are her problems about fertility and overcoming the grif and falling in love again.
If I did this story I would go with the second aspect of her story I would make lord Kilmartin woman too.
So that's how her story follows overcoming the grif and falling in love again.
If u want good gl love stories I can recommend you planty but they are usually Chinese /Japanese/Korean
I hope it is not a problem.
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I think Michaela would be Countess of Kilmartin. I don't think Michaela would inherit the earldom. Because the title is from John's father to John's child. John's child would be ahead of John's cousin, whether that child is a girl or not (since the Scottish titles can go along the female line). I mean, I don't see how it would jump the line from him to his cousin over him to his progeny because his progeny is female if the cousin is also female. If you have more info that explains how this would be the case, I'd be grateful to see it. I love this video, by the way, and a lot of this is arguments I've made, plus new ones I haven't thought of.
My thought was that if Francesca had the child with John (boy of girl, but the new earl/countess), Michaela might come to help her through her grief (although this is directly against Michael's running away in the book). Alternatively, miscarriage. Michaela becomes countess (although Francesca is also countess but not through heredity, obviously a different thing -- I'm not sure whether going with earl would be a thing for a woman, but, yeah, AU). Michaela goes away for book reasons. After some time, Francesca decides to go into the season to find a husband because she still wants a baby. Michaela returns (because of Francesca writing about this or other reasons -- I forget). She feels jealous because of the husband search. She has the same guilt and impostor syndrome as in the book, probably. The relationship gets going at some point. It's not infertility, but for Francesca to be with Michaela would be to choose her over having that possible baby. On the other hand, we have the problem of Michaela's needing an heir unless there is some other distant family member -- perhaps a girl they can take in? So that could be a solution to having a child. I wasn't too worried about their being able to marry. Just thought they'd live together as other lesbian/queer couple of the time did. That would be interesting, though, marriage.
Anyway, my thoughts. Curious what you think.
Love your thoughts and they do work!!! Someone else in the comments did mention it and I realized that yeah that is true. John’s offspring would totally be next in line where Francesca to have his baby. So you are both right. Like I mentioned to the previous commenter, Francesca and Michaela’s romance still works without Michaela becoming the Earl of Kilmartin. We still get the passion and the push and pull. And their drama is more tied to Michaela wants to be with Fran but Fran is hesitant because she is a woman and it isn’t proper, etc. So we still get all that tension 😊. The reason why I personally would like them to keep the infertility plot is because of the representation. So many women do deal with fertility issues, including queer women and it would be great to have that represented in the show. But if they insist on having Michaela be the Earl though, and don’t consider Fran having a baby with John, their tension then being having Fran choose between being with Michaela or having her own biological kids would be sweet sweet torture. And if they want to resolve it with that conversation she has with Eloise about Eloise’s step children who she basically adopts and if she loves them any less cuz she didn’t birth them, and Eloise responds by saying that she would always love her babies whether or not she’s their biological mother; if they use that as a way to bring an adoption plot or storyline into the story, it would work for me as well 😊😊.
Thanks so much for your comment ❤️❤️🥹
@@ChroniclesofNoria Thank you for responding. Great video!
@HuntingViolets 🥹🥹. Thank you
@@ChroniclesofNoria This was discussed in the books. It would have to go from John, John's sons and then Michael, Michael's sons and if not either of them, a distant cousin. Go back and read read chapter 9-10 when Francesca is having breakfast with Janet, Helen (John/Michel's mothers) at Kilmartin House in London. This was in the book's present tense so it is years after Michael and the baby's deaths. The mothers and Francesca were jokingly but honestly pushing Michael toward the idea that he has to marry to upkeep the title and if he didn't marry, the title would go to one of John and Michaels cousins. So no, if Michaela is a female, the title goes to the closet male heir. A women would not inherit and that was discussed and established in the books.
My dear, I'm afraid you'll never beat the 'funniest youtuber' allegations.
The way this just had me CACKLING!!! Thank you dearest friend 🤣🤣. I do try my best 🤧🤧
Thank you for this video! Finally someone that says something positive about Francesca/Michaela. When I saw that scene I did not expect people reacting negatively, yet alone *this* negatively. As someone part of the LGBT community it hurts to see how so many people are against it because… it’s not a straight couple anymore.
Do they not understand how hungry we are for sapphic love stories?? Even most queer media tends to focus more on mlm storylines.
It's not about people not wanting to see an LGBTQ+ love story. It's about being angry that the writers took an existing, beloved couple and their specific story and changed it to check off some kind of box instead of using their talents to write an original and compelling queer love story. I would be just as outraged if the books contained a same-sex couple/romance between two characters I loved and they changed one of those characters to make it a straight couple. I'd be just as frustrated if the book had been Francesca + Michaela and the TV writers changed it to Francesca + Michael.
@@birnapetursdottir2616 If it's just about being hungry for sapphic love stories, why not choose another character like Eloise. Or, better yet, why not create new characters, say, a long lost Bridgerton cousin, and develop a story?' Bridgerton fans would not resist so hard. Why tamper with something that is near and dear to people's hearts? For those who didn't read the book series, it's not going to matter who the character is, new or old. So why go after Francesca/John/Michael Stirling?
@@gems3604 I mean but what makes Eloise's story so different? people will still be upset that their favorite book couple is being changed. I also have weird feelings about people making the only radical feminist character a lesbian...I love seeing the girlie do girl power things but not if it plays into stereotypes about feminism. I actually quite like that she simply found a man who shared her belief of equality, however short.
@@KylaBStallings Yeah, I do see your point of view. That's why I wish the showrunners would use their creativity and develop a whole new character with a queer storyline. But the showrunners will do what they see fit to do.
As someone who actually loves genderswap and doesn't mind dabbling in it, I don't mind that they changed Michael to Michaela- especially since I'd love to see more queer love on the show, particularly sapphic love. The issue I have is, I feel the shock value that was Michaela and Fran's meeting took away from the quiet triumph of Fran and John. I love John so much since it's rare seeing a dark-skinned Black man be soft, quiet, and content with simple things. And I love how their relationship showed sometimes it's not about the dramatics and intensity, but rather on the quiet calm that settles between two people like a comforting blanket
Yes. I love John so much!! And that’s why I love Francesca’s story so much. We were able to see that love can take different forms and although she loves Michael, she also loves John. I really do wish and hope that the way they did Michaela’s introduction was just a weird shot and we still get her loving John for the rest of his life until he passes. Like you said, seeing a dark-skinned Black man be so soft and content and considerate and kind and quiet just made me sigh. Their love has such a calming effect for me. I really hope it isn’t ruined in the coming season because of needless drama
there's no special reason why i don't want Micheala as a love-interest except that I want Micheal Stirling... which shouldn't be so much of an ask, considering Bridgerton's constant throughout the books is that every couple is heterosexual. If I wanted representation, I would watch a queer show; Bridgerton is not the show to look for it 🤷♀
well, guess what? you didn’t get him and you won’t be getting him. you might not want to see queer representation on the show but other people do (including the writer of the show who is a queer woman) and they’re entitled to that. don’t like it? don’t watch.
@@transmatizeda lot of people WON’T watch and then it’ll get cancelled which will allow you to bleat all you want. You’re so pressed and fighting for your life in these comments. Are you a show runner?
@@transmatizedcalm down, this isn't a competition ✋️💀 Also, your petty remarks won't change my mind. I like what I like, and what I like is Francesca and Micheal.
@@LoveK1this, I for certain won't watch this show , period. Let's see if it doesn't get cancelled 😅
Good writing has a process. There are elements that matter and are crucial to good storytelling regardless of whether it's an adaptation or an original. Adaptation has the added onus of being respectful to the original plot while making it visually interesting and tweaking just enough to make it fresh and unique while not changing the general overall main plot points. For instance, while Quinn's heartthrobs are nearly always blue or green eyed white people, the series neatly wove in people of color without incident. We all know that in that era, a black person couldn't hold title or lands and a white person couldn't marry a black person, but we happily suspend that fact in the interest of modernization and representation that today's media needs. It still fits the story and is unimportant overall. 2 of the 3 so far have interracial marriages and we don't care a whit. Yay for progress. If you lay precedent, we're good. We also gladly accepted that vampires could walk in the day if they wear a special ring. Even our mythical creatures have a lore that must be followed or properly EXPLAINED when deviation from established lore occurs. Good writing sets up the parameters of what is allowable in a particular story's universe and we happily accept and move on with the story. Until they make a grave mistake and change something without precedent and without foreshadowing, consistency, congruency or reason that contradicts what has already been established as fact. That, is when we revolt as it is highly insulting to our intelligence. I'm not talking about an accidental Starbucks cup in Game of Thrones here, I'm talking about the complete tossing and disregard to the source material and doing the opposite of what has already been established as canon in the series. Enter Michaela and the riot that ensues in the fandom. It's not about a character being gay at all, it's about THIS character's established story both in the books and series and tossing it out the window for no reason but the whim of an inept showrunner. It's very very bad storytelling and we can't allow that to continue.
We didn't bat an eye that Benedict is exploring his sexuality in S3 as there was precedent for that for him. Foreshadowing. He's trying to find himself so it makes sense he'd explore a bit and they've given him an exploratory nature in his character. Odd that he seemed to be in bed half the season while months went by with other characters, but we'll let that slide. I mean, did ya see Tilly's friend? Anyone would want to stay in bed for months with him. lol Benedict is forgiven and we're jealous to boot. There are even some nuggets on the ground should they choose to have Eloise have a same-sex encounter or even change Phillip to Philippa, a widow with 2 unruly children, as Eloise's story mostly centers around making proper people out of the monsters those children are and helping Phillip heal from the death of his spouse. It wouldn't be too disruptive to the source material to change Philip's gender and their add'l 3 kids aren't integral to the story either. Violet gets a couple more grandkids and all are happy. She can be Phillipa's 'companion' and the governess without too much eyebrow raising. We'd buy all that.
SPOILER ALERT: Skip just this paragraph if you don't want to know a brief overview about Fran's story in the books:
However, FRANCESCA'S story requires Michael to be Michael. Everything that happens in her story requires it. They'd have to fully toss her story and write an original story AND contradict the precedents already set in the series in order to do this change. How disrespectful to the fans, Quinn, the writer, and the intelligence to all who must witness it. Michaela can't inherit the title and lands when John dies. He's an Earl. That is integral to the story and they've already established that women cannot inherit and women can't marry women with no mention of it being possible in Scotland. While they COULD introduce it, the bulk of the series happens in London, and they aren't likely to simply accept that they are married and Michaela is an Earl when they are visiting London. They'd still be hanged when they go to London should anyone know and we all know everyone would know. It would be an unforgivable stain on the Bridgerton name and we can't have that. Her unmarried siblings would pay the highest cost for that with no marriage offers/acceptances. Fran is obsessed with having a baby, it's integral to her story. Fran has said all she wants is a husband, babies, and quiet. Michaela appears to be quite loud and boisterous. Fran hates that and is moving to freaking Scotland to get away from that. She also loves John SO much and sees Michael as a rake and just a friend for much of the book. It's HIS attraction to HER that causes all the agony in the book. Are we to believe Fran, within minutes of marrying John, a man she went against the freaking QUEEN to get to marry, she now decides she doesn't love him but loves this loud, boisterous Michaela? Where does it go from here? They can't be openly together as they'd get hanged if they ever go to London. She certainly won't be obsessed with her infertility if she's with a woman who can't get her pregnant anyway and she can't marry her either at least not and be accepted back in London and without tanking her unmarried siblings prospects. I'll give you the possibility that she doesn't lose John's baby, which is viable and solves that problem, but in the end, she IS a Bridgerton and they are based in London, and none of that will be acceptable there without significant consequence. Of all the Bridgertons, Fran is the least adaptable to this new narrative, imo. I just don't buy it. Granted, YOU did find valid points in all the arguments that may make it plausible, and I commend you for that, however, as Michael is my favorite character in the entire series, I simply will not be denied his presence or his sex scenes. Just no. I will skip that season entirely. A bit of gay p0rn sideshow ala Benedict or something sure, that's hot, but there is way too much sex in Fran's story for me to find it enticing for 8 episodes esp knowing what it was SUPPOSED to be and how viscerally I was looking forward to it. We expected a sexy, brooding yet charming, lovable male rake Highlander to ravish us in our dreams in place of Fran and this...ain't that. I'm sorry. I'm sure I'm not alone in mourning what was to be. My apologies to the LGBTQ+ community who I love and admire and fully support, but I simply cannot give you my Michael. Just not HIM. Please understand.
At this point there is only one viable, acceptable option for most of the fan base. Firing the showrunner is top priority so she doesn't ruin any more of the series since she clearly has no clue how to do her job. Was she plucked from Day 1 of writing school? She learned nothing about storytelling that's for certain. Her choppy, sloppy, mess of S3 is proof of that. Then, since Eloise is going with them to Scotland, we can ignore the odd facial expression Fran had at the altar kiss and her inexplicable reaction to Michaela can just be surprise that she's so loud when John is so quiet and even noticing she's very attractive, and we can have Eloise and Michaela have a tryst and have Michael show up once in Scotland, and we'll be back on track. Let's hope he looks something like Tilly's friend because he HAS to be smoking hot, broody yet charming, and everything we deserve. lol Well, precedent would indicate he's black, so he can look like Simon and we'll be overjoyed as he's smoking hot, broody yet charming and perfect for the role. Trevor Jackson, Lance Gross, Taye Diggs, Lakeith Stanfield, or Lamman Rucker, could work in handsomeness, sexiness and coloring that match John. He must be as handsome and sexy as Rege Jean Page. We deserve nothing less. Get this train back on the tracks, please!
I'm also team "Let the writers cook" -- but I'm a little anxious about it because they f*cked up Polin so badly. :/
On a side note, I am tired of all the male leads being rakes reformed by romance and marriage on this show. Books may be different, but this plays into a harmful stereotype of "He'll change for me" IRL. :/
I think its pretty interesting. Because this adaptation will break 3 bordes. Race divides, gender rules and class, with Benedict. And althought, like said in the videos, reality was never as neat as we usually tend to portrait, and people who defy norms, survive and blossom, it is really rare to see that in historical(ish) set fiction! So im am up with exploring this themes. I also think that it has made it more relatable to modern relatable to modern audiences. I think it is interesting that they leave class for last, and they gave us a interesting hint with the Mondrichs and the Pen and Colin. What can you be or do within your class? A member of the ton cannot run a club, but can write? Is class the ultimate divide?
Right? I’m worried about whether or not the writers will really explore all the intricacies and the themes involved though. Or if it’s just us being hopeful and reading more into it 😭😭. I choose hope though, and so I’m keeping my fingers crossed that they really do explore these themes.
Thank you so much for your comment ❤️❤️
I don't get why people have such a hard time understanding that an adaptation will NEVER be the same as the original work. And once we establish that, the new creators have so much more freedom to give us a new product.
I know, is hard to see something you love that much being changed (I suffered a little with Netflix's The Last Airbender), but it is what it is. I'm sure if I didn't know the original show, I would've LOVED Netflix's version, aka, the adaptation is good, it was just me not letting go on my memories
I’m sorry but the answer is no. There’s too many themes and storyline’s in the book that just won’t work with this. This isn’t even coming from a place of homophobia as so many people think when we make the point. I’m just a person who wants to see the book come alive on the screen.
That’s fair. Like I said in the video, I’ve given up ever getting a perfect adaptation of a source material cuz I do think those adapting them tend to treat them like they are fanfiction. Maybe one day we would finally get an adaptation that is word for word and bar for bar what we were expecting. But Bridgerton has shown that they aren’t going to do exactly that unfortunately.
Thanks for the comment and for not being vile about it ❤️❤️(trust me. I’ve received some horrible shit 😂😭).
@@ChroniclesofNoriayou don’t deserve any of the horrible shit people send you. it’s a lot of grown adults throwing tantrums smh 🤦🏽♂️ I appreciate you, your work and your nuanced takes.
@@transmatized thank you so much 😭😭. This means the world to me 🤧🥹
Yeah lol they're accusing people of homophobia and misogynoir regarding the actress who plays Michaela. What is so hard for them to understand that it has nothing to do with the actress. Heck they could have casted the biggest actress in the world like Zendaya to play Michaela, people would still ask for Michael Sterling and that she should have played a brand new character, instead of replacing an important and beloved male character from the book series.
Michaela will NEVER be Michael. Just like an Elliot will NEVER be Eloise.
You are really pulling on strings with this explanation. The writers will have to break the story to make it work. If you are down with that - fine. If you are not down with that then - not fine.
Well the writers pulled the strings first in the first season when they made the woman whose son was actively a part of the slave trade until abolitionists forced his hand and he had no choice but to end it, inform us all that racism is over because of love. The show has always been hanging on a thread and a hope. I just showed how it can be possible to try and make it work somewhat if they want to 🤷🏾♀️
It's wild to me that so many folk are pre-mad about Michaela. We literally know 0 things about where the writers are going with the story line. They could flub it or they could knock it out of the park. I think you make a great point about how adaptations should be viewed as fanfiction. I love the way some fanfictions are written and am not interested in others. That is true also of adaptations. For example I am among those who would have preferred Colin to know about Lady Whistledown before the mirror scene. But you know what? I still really liked season 3. Does that make folk who didn't like season 3 wrong? No. It's just a difference in preference. What would have been weird is rejecting the season entirely because Luke Newton is clearly not Colin because *Colin has green eyes in the book* or *Colin is supposed to be shorter than Benedict but Luke Newton is taller than Luke Thompson* or some equally nitpicky BS.
I don't mind that she's a women.
It just bothers me how Francesca immediately fell for her. It doesn't feel like she's happy with John. Especially when she kissed him, she looked so disappointed. I love their romance story because I related to taking things slow and just having comfortable silence with someone. Her falling for his cousin less than a minute of meeting her feels like it's downplaying everything they've built up
“Did I scandalize you? Good.” Hahaha love it! Great video! If there’s one thing I learned from Bridgerton, it’s that a huge chunk of the fandom is just straight up vile. The amount of times I saw people whining because they only care about Fran’s infertility and ability to get pregnant and nothing else about her story was so gross to me. She’s more than an incubator. Also, for all the people saying “omg I didn’t get Francesca bi vibes” please remember that not every bisexual person falls into stereotypes! I saw SO MUCH OF MYSELF in Francesca! I am neurodivergent, and I always struggled with a lack of attraction to men, even though it was expected of me. Then I realized it’s because I was attracted to women (and had been raised not to be). I was 26 when I made that discovery. I’m 27 now. While I’m a lesbian and not bi, this happens to all walks of queer life. I’m so excited for Francesca and Michaela’s story! Gimme that sapphic yearning! 🥰
I agree, Noria killed with that line! ❤
A good video that brought up some great points about the nature of adaptation/fan fiction. It's funny because you recommended this book to me in a previous comment I made, and -- as a non book reader -- after watching the season I was right about Benedict being queer coded (now canon). But it seems I was also right about the show pulling punches in some ways, and taking liberties in others for the sake of subscription money. Benedict is likely going to get monogamous soon, for example, so no more hot threesomes. And the show does seem to undermine its own story telling even as it attempts to open up the world racially and politically, which it really does need. It's not "woke" as those who have butchered the word would contend. It's history, and I hate how unironically "woke" is used to denote history as being ahistoic. But I digress...
I'm still a working through some of my thoughts on this but, one of them is:
1. I find it funny that in a time period where we have *mostly* broken these made up Regency rules, and know that even the people living within their confines broke them, we still run into criticism that says Micheala being like Micheal sexually can't happen because one is a man and the other is a woman. As if both men and women weren't hemmed in by shame or fear of reprisal on some level, and thus would operate in secret when it comes to the kinds of affairs Micheala would be carrying on if sticking to the books on that level.
Men suffered in duels and in court if they played with the wrong woman because of their fathers, brothers, husbands, etc. Or they had their options limited in marriage unless they had too much money to turn down. They could only openly gallavant with sex workers, "loose women", or take advantage of women below them in station "openly". And even then there was something a bit taboo and ungentlmanly about it. They just could get away with the taboo because other men said they could. They didn't just have reputation but real assets at their disposal that gave them personhood. Women had less of this, but like you showed with your Scottish landowner example, not every women was confined by the same rules, even in the real world. So a gender swap is possible. Shame in this society wasn't just a deterrent, but an accellarant in many cases. The "adult" offerings from the most reperessed points in history are proof of that. They were wildin', rules or not.
2. Call me a hater, I'm not saying anything bad about the gender swap or race swaps, none of that. Julia Quinn's excuse for a white escapist fantasy is just that -- an excuse -- and she's entitled to write what she wants and for society to course correct until mass audiences gain enough empathy to want to hear stories about everyone from everywhere... not just white people who conveniently never want to confront who made their class fantasies possible. But...
Netflix likely chose to give Francesca stirrings of lust for the same reason they split the season in two. Money. The series is going on a 2 year hiatus and because of their desire to force people to sign up for 2 months of the service, the pacing and resolutions were messy in spots. Every major character for the most part is left on a satisfying enough conclusion (Bendedict and Eloise with their longing for love and freedom, Kate and Anthony with their baby and travels, Lady Vi with her budding romance, Pen and Colin with their HEA, and so on). The only character given enough of a bombshell to return for in 2 years was Francesca. The gender swap wasn't enough for the writers. They had to drive home a conflict in some way that non book readers would pick up on. And since we still live in a "and they were very good friends" kind of society, the point needed to be driven home that Micheala and Francesca have sexual viability. If you make Micheala lustful on her own, she immediately becomes a villain looking to break apart a happy marriage. Casting a black actress would set her up for even more hate than she'll get just by being black and being Micheal's incarnation, so they refrained from making her fall in love at first sight with Fran in our intro. If Francesca is lustful, it introduces conflict using a character with the empathy cheat code. We can't hate her, only be confused by the writing and wonder what happens next. We spent all season wanting her to be happy. We will come back to see what happiness looks like for her after that look.
And of course some people are going to come back if only to hate watch and dog out the writers for trying and failing to be clever... and if they succeed then so much the better. But they specifically changed this, to my mind, because it's bait without doing a full on cliffhanger.
I don't think Fran's reaction to M. makes her love for J. less real. Love and atraction are different things. Idk what about you guys but i have acted all awkward around someone i considered hot even though i am in loving relationship. And Fran probably never met anyone like M.
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Never read the books, pausing before you jump in. The day before part 2 released, I came across a spoiler comment of a lady who I thought was being a dramatic Karen, talking about rumors I hadn't heard either... Michael becoming Michaela and she went on in very angry detail about Francesca's story and why she didn't think it would work.
Point is, thanks for calling those people out. I couldn't stop myself from googling for more info directly after I read her detailed spoilers.
Welcome 🤗❤️.
Gods that must have been so horrid. I’m so sorry that a lot of people in their rage forgot or simply didn’t care that others might not have read the books yet and it is unfair to them to spoil an upcoming story cuz you’re all up in your feels.
I’ve spent way too long in fandom to know that that is a big no-no, and yet people just keep doing whatever they want.
I really am sorry that she spoiled what should have been a surprise for you 💔🫂
@@ChroniclesofNoria Thank you! She put that comment on a Netflix youtube video threatening the writers not to gender swap.
I had been avoiding spoilers like the plague lol. So yeah it was really hard to come across, I was devastated all part 2 knowing about John and it was weird already knowing who Michaela was at the reveal.
I did finish your video and fully agree with how you think the story can work out. Loved it.
It was your disrespect to Polin video that hooked me btw, I subscribed so fast.
Through comment spoilers I also know who Eloise is supposed to end up with. At this point I think I'll just start the books and see where I get by next season lol then only Shondaland can surprise me.
Awwwww. Glad that my disrespect video drew you in 😂😂. I have some people in the comments of that who are absolutely convinced that I hate the show and I don’t know how to get them to see that I actually love the show and its characters. No way I would be dedicating so much time and effort to making so many videos on it if I hated it so much 😂😂.
Wait. She went to a Netflix video to throw her rant and spoilers???? That is foul!! wtf???!! 😬
Glad that I was able to convince you with my video ☺️☺️. And I do think it’s an excellent idea to read the books just in case. This entire situation has confirmed for me that some Bridgerton fans are not interested in letting people be surprised and I think the spoilers would get worse in the upcoming years. I would suggest you read When He Was Wicked first though. Like I said in the video, I really do love the story and adore michael and John and would love to hear your thoughts on the books.
Thanks as always for your comments ❤️❤️
@@ChroniclesofNoria Lol yeah she really did!
I think your commentary is refreshing & I honestly can't see how anyone wouldn't see that you're passionate about the story and characters. You pointed out very crucial things in the season that I'd missed or was even bothered about myself. Even the video with your take on Portia was spectacular. I really think you explain it all so eloquently.
Thank you for the advice and replies, I'll definitely start with Francesca's story!
@_mrs.lemons_ thank you so much. This is the biggest compliment truly 😭😭🥺. And happy reading
Your's is the only voice I wanted to here on Michaela. That reveal was biggest surprise I have had in ages. If I am honest, I didn't get much time to watch it because I was so shocked. I think in the established universe, Michaela being female ups the illiciteness. Every male lead has been a "rake" thus far. I do worry about perpetuating the hypersexualization of both black women and queer people that society is so marvelous at. But I am also very excited for a female queer storyline. What will be interesting, what I lament will come, is the argument of Francesca being a lesbian instead of straight, with no nuance for the fact that bisexuals exist. The more representation we get the more vitriol we get.
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But those who are clinging to canon from the book right now: we need canon to be cleaned up. Especially if we get Gregory's storyline.
TV Francesca was already completely different to Book Francesca. The book story wouldn’t have worked for the TV version of the character. Book Francesca is really snarky, witty and teases a lot but TV Francesca is quiet, socially awkward and observant.
Granted her character does dramatically change in S3. In the show, they made it a point that she’s not very interested in having kids. She literally ran away when that guy said he wants lots of children. But wanting a baby is a huge part of Book Francesca’s storyline.
Francesca and Michael’s story hinges on heterosexual relationship tropes too heavily to work for a sapphic couple, ie a lot of focus on babies and marriage. But it means the show will go with a completely new story! Which is great because that fits TV Francesca much better. We have the potential for a really beautiful wlw story, that we’ve never seen before! A person thinking that they don’t feel this electric passionate love everyone talks about, just to realise they do feel that… with a woman, it’s beautiful. Mixed with the turmoil because she loved John too and she’s grieving. It would be the most heartbreaking season yet!
I get why book fans are sad but as someone who has read the books and prefers the TV show, I’m excited to see where they go with this!!
I dont want Micheal or Micheala I want John... ik that I cannot have him, but I want him so bad
John IS THE MAN!!! Every time he came on scream I made a little sound. Gahhhh!!’ Fran is soooo lucky!!!! 😩😩😩
@@ChroniclesofNoria yess he is everything that I want.
i was lowkey disagreeing with you during the whole video (as a straight person with a crush on Michael only could) but your closing line got me😂😂great video👍
😂😂😂. Very fair, but I am happy that my rephrased last line got you 🤧🤧. Also, great PFP!! Viviennnnnnn 🥹🥹🥹. Now you have me itching to do my rewatch of Gone with the Wind
@@ChroniclesofNoriahahaha thnx I say definitely do a rewatch!! (And maybe a video about it while you're on it?? 👀👀)
@@vivienleigh4725 👀👀. I just might
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First of all, pointing out that adaptation are nothing else than FF (which people get paid for) is amazing. The point is that I do not think that they assign adaptation to fan of the story writers. It could be amazing if they could add to the writing room some actual talented ff writers actually fan of the story.
Second point. In the adaptation they are moving things around. In the book is Anthony to "save" Pen from Cressida' bullying. In the Book the jokester personality is Colin's and not Ben's. The infertility issue could be passed on Eloise. She waited a lot to marry which is the problem many women encounter today because they start families later due to study and career. So, to me, I will just wait and see what do they do with their fanfic.
It just seemed to make kind of a mockery of her marriage to have the attraction to be so instant, it made me feel bad for John. I don't have an issue with her falling in love afterward- just a little slower would have been better.
Yeah. I too hope that, like I mentioned in the video, it was just a misstep with how they shot that scene. The attraction isn't meant to be instant on her part. She really does love John, and doesn't consider anyone else until he is gone. I'm hoping that they din't shoot that scene well, and they would instead make some rewrites to portray things better, when it's time to tell Francesca's story.
@@ChroniclesofNoria Hope you're right and yes that would absolutely work
No she doesn't work, give us Micheal!
not going to happen 🥱 michael doesn’t exist on the show. michaela does.
Facts. He's a MAN and Michaela will never be Michael. Just like a man cannot replace Eloise.
How did you sing in hindi so casually and that too with perfect pronunciation 😮
🥰🥰🥰. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham has been one of my favourite movies since I was a child 😭😭. I rewatch it every year like clockwork. It’s my happy place. Glad I got the pronunciation right. Was worried for a moment 😅🥹
I am here for Michaela and queer fiction!
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The main difficulty, plot-wise, is that Michael has some reason to spend years working in India while Francesca run his estates so that he can avoid her. So Michaela will need to have a similar distancing that she can use to avoid Francesca. We have not seen upper class female professions. Where does Michaela go? How does Michaela get that separation from Francesca? I cannot wait to see how this plot builds.
Oh definitely. I’m interested in seeing how the writers interpret that, if we do get their season. And I hope they don’t do the India travel though, cuz colonialism gives me the ick in this story so I wonder where they would have her run too
Thank you for the video. I never read Bridgeton I believe Michaela is a nod to book readers. I doubt we will ever see Francesca again in the series...
Thank you 😊. We probably aren’t going to see her again now that she’s gone to Scotland. Same with Eloise actually. I’m guessing she will come back to when it’s her book, if we get renewed to season 6. I’m hoping that we get renewed, but I’m not holding my breath cuz I don’t trust Netflix. Let’s see what happens
i like your videos! but the music is a bit distracting
Oh I’m sorry. I’m trying to work out the best volume that would make me audible but would still ensure that those who like the music can get that. Today’s video has already been uploaded but I will tweak the volume and drop it down to 2% (it’s currently at 3%) by Monday’s video to see if you still get the music but it isn’t as distracting.
Thanks so much for the feedback 🥹❤️
Michael and Michaela cannot be the same person, just switching gender. They destroyed Francesca's story.
My only issue with this gender bend is the marriage issue. I get that the law was passed in scotland. But the world of bridgerton tv series already states that women in general have so much limitation as they repeat lines blatantly stating that with different characters. I get that the writers can work around this, but making it possible would kind of invalidate the struggles of the character of the previous seasons. This swap would work way better if bridgerton was set in the modern day but that's just me.
I don't mind there being a queer storyline but i do passionately care that the pain of not having a baby and wanted that explored. Every other Bridgerton just has to look at their partner to become pregnant but Fran can't. In the books she lives John and is devastated by his death then losing the longed for baby is just too much. That is something many can relate to probably not the lose of the partner but there is sooo much there before she finds happiness again. I much prefer the love at first sight from Michael's pov in the books. Yes they can do something with it no doubt but it seems they don't care sbout the quiet love between John and Fran they spent a whole season building just chuckit away. Why? Such a waste.
I feel like Julia Quinn should have said, as a white woman, I do not feel it's my place to tell black stories, especially in a historical setting where I'd be afraid that my idealized romance would erase the reality of racism. I think it's better a black show runner adapted it. And even then there's valid criticism of the choice to write an alternate history where romance can just magically fix racism. But on the other hand, it's an appealing fantasy, like Tayor Swift said
My friends used to play a game where
We would pick a decade
We wished we could live in instead of this
I'd say the 1830s but without all the racists and getting married off for
the highest bid
We want the romance version of the past without all the problems, or if they exist in the narrative, like women being forced to marry, it's ok because the protagonist gets the mary for love and get what she wants.
And the books always could have been that fantasy. And there are lesbian regency romance novels, 'Mortal Follies" is great although it is a hybrid fantasy story, the point stands that you can tell the stories you want to tell with the characters and dynamics you want. Alternate history with whatever values you want.
I will go with your take that Francesca was just completely struck by how beautiful Michaela is but not yet realising there will be feeling growing from there. I hope the writers can see your video and explore things the way you're presenting them, so we get the infertility problems for the people who want to see that explored, and then let room for the new relationship. I haven't read the books, but I had decided to check what was going on with them, so I'm personnaly not attached to Michael, and I'm ready for Michaela if it's done the right way, with still some respect for Francesca and John.
Thank you for this video. I am very excited for Francesca and Michaela. Bi Francesca is something I am here for.
I was bummed out that Francesca doesn’t really come off as bi in those 2 scenes with the disappointment at the kiss and then the instant attraction to Michaela. That gave me a vibe that Francesca doesn’t love John and is now trapped in a loveless het marriage and John is keeping her from her true love. It also was so upsetting with Violet refusing to support the match up until moments before the wedding discussing how she was so flustered meeting Edmund that she forgot her own name, just for Francesca to have that same reaction immediately afterwards. And of course, Michael is the one that has love at first sight in the book. So the show should have had Michaela act flustered instead. John is Francesca’s end game and no one else exists to her until he tragically died. And then she is in an intense grief for years and somehow finds the room in her heart to love Michael too or in this case, love Michaela too.
The show runner says she doesn’t see a hierarchy of relationships and that both relationships are valid. But also the only marriages that aren’t passionate in the show are just are lavender marriages or just sad. Starting with Henry Granville and his wife, who is madly in love with his boyfriend and of course lady Danbury, who hates her husband and despite that is kind to him and also has a hot fling with lord ledger, who is in turn in a marriage to someone he does not feel red hot passion for (and he is right to cause his wife is hella racist.) Of course Portia hates the late lord featherington, Marina is content with sir Philip but there is no passion and they don’t give off an elated and in love vibe. So while the show runner doesn’t want to diminish a passionless but still loving marriage, the writers have a track record of dunking on them already… so… it would be a departure from the show’s established patterns.
Now inside the fray of homophobic complaints is the real pain that many of the readers found comfort in- infertility and miscarriage. I have friends and family that have miscarried, had medical conditions that made it hard to get pregnant (PCOS), still births, delivering at 26 weeks only to lose the baby 2 hours later, losing both twins at different parts of the pregnant-1 miscarried and the other was still born. She was told when she had the miscarriage that at least she still had another baby and lost him too. A lot of my friends were those rainbow babies. I have a friend that was a surrogate for a couple with infertility. I have had friends that used IVF and surrogacy. And of course friends that decided to adopt children.
All of them say that the show runner cannot honor that arch if Michaela is Michaela and not Micheal. Which leads to another rabbit hole of people discussing if there is a salient difference between a het couple in the 1800s trying for a baby for years and a modern gay couple trying for a baby. I don’t think it is helpful to go into the weeds on that because the real question is, will she try for a baby with John? Will she have a miscarriage? Will the show runner decide that in her interpretation of the character, they don’t want to explore infertility and miscarriage? I don’t know. There are arguments that she doesn’t want kids as she is not happy with lord Samadani’s comments on wanting around 8 kids. Wanting kids and wanting 8 kids is different.
There is a world where book readers and the show runners can be happy. And that is for her to have strong loving relationship with John, try for a baby, have a miscarriage, be depressed, try some more, and finally have his child after he dies instead of miscarrying like she did in the book. I would love for her to be the mom of John’s heir personally. I think they went to a lot of trouble in season 3 establishing the baby race with the Featheringtons, so it feels silly that they would emphasize that issue just to abandon it for her story arch.
Finally, those that say a gay couple cannot have a lasting happy ending in Bridgerton are half right. The show gives us gay couples that are happy and behind closed doors. They fear persecution. It is very well established in the books and the show that John’s estate is in a remote castle in the highlands. There aren’t a lot of people there. They own a castle. They are rich. If they want to be a super happy gay couple, no one will stop them. They will be so happy. I think it would be amazing if by the time the show ends that they can be all out and proud with a big society wedding (people have second wedding ceremonies all the time.)
Finally, I don’t want to see Francesca and Michaela flirting while John is alive. Francesca and Michaela will have a lot of life together after he dies. So I hope they really don’t flirt until after he is gone. I don’t want to see cheating or emotional cheating, I want to enjoy John and Francesca. And then enjoy Michaela and Francesca. I am expecting cheating however as I have seen interviews about the hopes for Francesca’s character to find herself and go after what makes her happy. I don’t want that to lead to cheating. I don’t want that. I want her loving John. I want her having infertility issues and have his baby after he dies. And I do want to see bi Francesca get a second happy ending with Michaela.
While I have mostly come to terms with the idea that my favorite Bridgerton book is going to play out much differently on screen, I am still hesitant about how Franchaela will be written. All I can do is hope that the writers respect Francesca's marriage to John instead of devaluing their love story. Your comments about not wanting to see infidelity really resonate with me.
Also, I had fully bought into Benedict's story of queer self-discovery, so I hope Bridgerton is prepared to create space for multiple queer stories simultaneously.
Noria, you make great points. I could get behind this storyline for Francesca and Michaela. Honestly, Bridgerton should hire you to make sure the storyline is done right. I’m curious if Netflix will allow numerous sapphic love scenes. They have a tendency of canceling WLW shows. But with Bridgerton’s ratings, they might make an exception.
Indeed she did make some good points. If the writers listen to this video then the show might good for her story. But if they go off the deep end and create a bunch of other side plots and limited screen time of the main love story like they did Polin, then I doubt it’ll be as good. After hearing these points, I just wonder if the Bridgerton family name will be tarnished because it obviously would be an issue.
Hehehehehe. I wouldn't say no, if they did come calling 😂😂. And true. I too am very worried about whether or not Netflix would allow us to have this adaptation. Especially, considering that we're definitely not getting Franchaela until season 6, and if people stop watching [and with the number of people who want Michael and not Michaela], then we might not get them at all. But if we do get renewed all the way to season 6, we definitely will get a ton of numerous sapphic love scenes. And with Masali??? MY BODY IS READY!!!!
Honestly, if watching my videos helps the writers give us a better story, then I give them total permission to be inspired by them. Cuz I just need them to give us a good story. Urgh!!!
The Bridgerton family name might not be tarnished. The reason why their name wasn't tarnished with Anthony's shenanigans for example, is because the Queen gave them her blessing. The story has established the Queen as this force that can make and unbreak a family and force their society to accept certain changes, so the show can use her like that again. Also, Michael and Fran basically spend most of the year in Scotland, so Michaela and Fran can do the same. Spend more time in Scotland so they aren't really amongst the ton, who Fran isn't necessarily fond of anyway. So it can still work.
@@ChroniclesofNoria indeed that is a good point. The queen’s blessing trumps all. Hence, why Penelope is still in good social standing after such scandal of her revelation as Lady Whistledown. And all the scandal with Anthony like you mentioned. But if they don’t do the story how you just said, then I don’t think it will be good. They way you broke it down, made it make sense and now I have hope again. But I still would like Chris Van Dusen to come back. His work was emmaculate.
Oh Chris was definitely the better showrunner for sure. ^sigh*. I wonder why he left. If it’s because of drama or it’s part of his showrunner contract. Cuz based off the interviews and all, Jess is only signed up as showrunner for season 3 and 4. So let’s see what happens
First best love story on Bridgeton❤ These are love stories and all the best parts in it have nothing to do with sex or sexuality or it's exploration. Just wonderful stories of love between a man and a women.
We don't need to see Pen's breast or Colin's buttocks. Or, Bendict's freak offs. All the best parts consisted when everyone had their clothes on e.g. the carriage scene, and the almost got caught outside scene. Colin's declartion of love in episode 8. Pen's declaration of love at the church and my favorite the best ball ever. "Now Bonnie the Bugs🎉❤
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thank you for making this. people are so blind with rage (and homophobia) that they can’t even keep an open mind for what could be the best season and a beautifully adapted love story. it’s ridiculous.
Agreed.
I went in having heard rumours about the swap & wary about it. Even with that potential in mind, I didn’t see anything about the portrayal of Francesca that could suggest they intended to go down that path of gender swapping Michael to Michaela. So when we got to that introduction & confirmation that they had in fact made the change, as person who deeply loves & identifies with Francesca’s book arc, there was an initial sense of betrayal and ultimately grief. That said, I still saw enough of the essence of Michael in Michaela and the connection between Fran & Michaela to be be honest with myself that there’s a tiny seed of hope there that they can make the swap work.
Some of the backlash is absolutely phobia based, some of it misogyny, some of it racism, some of it misogynoir and all of that part of the backlash is completely unacceptable. But some of it was an utter sense of betrayal & grief. Even show only viewers were feeling their own grief & betrayal for the handling of Michaela’s reveal because of how it appears (emphasis on appears because we don’t have confirmation yet) to undermine Fran’s arc & love with John as built through the season until that moment.
Personally, I’m at a point of cautiously excited. The grief & betrayal of Michael’s loss to the show-verse is calmed enough for now to leave me in a state of cautiously excited because it does open doors to new potential & world building, but I’m still scared the writers won’t be able to pull this off (even entirely forgoing any hope of seeing the essence of the book’s inspiration for Michaela) to not reopen that betrayal & grief to twist the knife. Nor do I trust the writers won’t recklessly break established show-verse lore to make this wlw story work to the point none of it was believable never mind worthwhile. I want the writers to prove me wrong, to prove that they have the delicate touch to pull this exciting & intriguing change off, I just don’t see the signs yet that they do and that breaks my heart the most about this atm.
The writers have a chance to do something amazing, and a part of me hopes the do it successfully, thoughtfully. But another part of me still doesn’t quite believe they can do it without it accidentally coming across as a fanfiction of the show-verse canon that’s already in place because it’s recklessly broken its own rules so flagrantly that it destroys its show-specific source material (every season prior).
I want this to work. I’m seeing ways to sensitively stretch & bend show-verse lore to make it work, I just can’t quite see the writers doing so successfully yet.
I have not read/watched Bridgerton but I thought this was wonderfully and thoroughly argued! Although, I admit my gay self was already on board because Michaela is so pretty and charismatic 😅
I don’t like the gender swap. I know people don’t wanna hear it and don’t believe it. Gender swapping romantic interest is weird and inauthentic to the character’s actual personality.
That's okay. Like I said in the video, you can like what you like. Adaptations will always have varied and polarizing reactions on the changes and decisions made. It is how fandoms have always existed and would most likely continue to do, for as long as they are a thing.
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The author, Julia Quinn, should have done better historical research. There were many Black people during the Regency era that were not slaves. There were also Black people who were members of the nobility during that time. So sadden by the author’s comments.
Right?? But alas…
As a mortal instruments books fan, the reason I hated the show is that they took the book and gave it an "annoying american teenage girl" twist (especially Clare!). Still watched the show. No reruns however.
Omg!!! I see the American teenage girl!!! 🤣🤣🤣. That’s an excellent comparison!!!
Also, how excited are you for Wicked Powers??? I’m starting a reread of ALL the series and novella bind ups, in anticipation of book 1 dropping 😭😭😭
@@ChroniclesofNoria I haven't read any other Cassandra Clare books other than The Mortal instruments. I remember Tessa(?) being mentioned in City of Heavenly Fire(?) and I thought (and googled?) that she didn't get her happy ending so I decided to not read the dark artifices.
Questionmarks because it's been a while and I'm not sure. Also she could have gotten her happy ending and I wasn't good at research then.
@tirkdiamond oh she did get her happy ending!! And because she’s a warlock, she gets two great loves and it’s written and done so well! You should totally read Infernal Devices if worry about Tessa not getting a happy ending is what stopped you from picking it up 🥹
@@ChroniclesofNoria I don't like love triangles, so I'm definitely not picking this up, but thanks for letting me know!
@tirkdiamond you’re welcome ❤️❤️.