3.24 PTU Evocati leak: new auto loading times
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- 3.24 PTU Evocati leak: new auto loading times
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Star Citizen, the best waiting and screenshot simulator ever?
Star Citizen is a space game, I don't want everything happening in a second, some things should take time. This is fine.
However, what Chris wants to make is not a fun game, he wants to make some kind of interactive movie, some kind of bad real life simulation.
I think it goes further than Chris wanting a realistic simulator. They want to sell cargo loading ships (Argo) & vehicles (like the Drake mule) to us. If auto-loading was going to be faster than doing it manually, everyone will just auto-load cargo and they wouldn't sell many of those vehicles... So rather than look at ways to make manually loading quick and enjoyable, they're instead opting to make auto-loading take insanely long. You can either sit and wait 2 hours for auto-loading to complete, or shell out for a cargo loader. This is what "balance" means to CIG.
CIG: No game after 11 years, still a buggy tech demo with missing basics at best
Also CIG: Lets put in as many boring tedious time sinks as possible
I really wonder, is the goal to make a fun game or does someone want to buy another house?
It's the game you play when you don't want to play a game.
@karmabad6287 Star Citizen the best second monitor AFK game ever.
This
It's a second job that does not pay you, but wants to be paid.
You nailed it!
Log on
Buy cargo
Start auto load
Log off and go to sleep.
Sounds fun, thanks CIG.
Those have to be pure placeholders, unless the person who put them in doesn't understand shipping and containerization at all. The whole point of a big container is that it costs about the same in time and money to load a big container as a small one. With a big container you only have to pay one employee for the minute or so it takes to move that container.
A better starting point would be cost and time per container being the same, with maybe some different classes of containers (big ones cost a little bit more because they need to use more expensive equipment to move them). Loading time should be based on ship -- you wouldn't be loading one container at a time on larger ships -- every means of access would be used at once (especially on open ships like Hull series).
The only thing that should scale linearly with amount of cargo is general import/export taxes (which would be the same whether you loaded manually or paid for longshoreman services), based on the value of the goods.
You’re overthinking it. They can’t do sh!t with whatever promise they made so this it it.
@@vidge1111 exactly this, imagine putting in placeholders after 14 freaking years of planning and developing.
We don't know how complicated toilet gameplay is going to be, yet. Maybe you will have to take a crap for one hour. That cuts loading time down to one hour. The remaining time could be spend talking for NPCs to help you unload your ship faster. They will probably be even more responsive than the servers at the bars around the verse.
@@TheLobstersoup Gotta eat those high-fiber alien fruits in the right quantities to keep things moving, so to speak.
Taking a shit in ark:sa is very simple though, so it doesn't have to be a big dea, tbh.
Btw, i am against all those crap mechanics, drinking, showering, pooping, eating, peeing, i already do these things IRL, so why should i repeat them ingame....
1 in every 10 accounts is given IBS across the board. Those characters will spend an additional hour in the crapper 😁
@@arqeph.privatebut in ark you can press z and shit on the spot XD I hope SC is a bit more elegant (tbh I really don’t like this mechanic as ark was primitive at the start and made sense that you will use poop to make manure and fertilisers for farming but SC is futuristic so what’s the point of introducing pooping in this game?)
@@djlord77
Yes, however i came across a video i think a few days ago, where they actually had a toilet, not sure if it is a mod or just an ingame element, its part of the ark survival ascended one, never seen a toilet in survival evolved.
And the shit on that toilet took just a few seconds.
I honestly hope CIG is not going to implement a wipe ones bum minigame,....
Just let it be a 5 seconds cutscene where the character enters the bathroom and "does the toilet, shower, etc" and be done with it.
Somehow this reminds me of the sims.
I get the feeling that if you log off while the ship is loading or unloading the game will break and you will lose the cargo.
@@nahbro3240 The engine they started with 12 years ago didn't have any collision detection, falling through floor, or vehicle blowing away in the wind problems. They're 'breaking' an engine, and deluding themselves that anyone would buy it. Like how stupid would someone have to be to pay for an engine that can't do the basics and is starting to look visually dated yet is also a 'work in progress' that doesn't yet have its supposed crowning features.
@@nahbro3240 I remember when freelancer came out and one of the biggest complaints was the poor state of the graphics. So for a single player modern edition of wing Commander the cryengine made sense at the time. Unfortunately it's the MMO that is the goose that laid the golden egg and what keeps the funding rolling in. Nobody would have paid this much money to make a standalone single player game. And just the nature of MMO style games alone would necessitate an entirely different engine instead of this bastardized one we have now.
Im definetly not gonna wait 4608 Scu : 32 SCU equals 144 boxes, which means 144 Minutes to load my Hull C, thats bullshit.
Imagine more than 4 days to load Hull E
Paying 750$ to play it a hour at maximun every 5 days
I wonder if CIG even considers the fact that a game should appeal to players or if they just take it for granted that whatever they come up with would somehow work out.
Also, a game developer calling NPCs AI is kinda like a car expert trying to refill the blinker fluid...
after you pay NPC AI to autoload yoru ship, they will go behind ship and T-POSE there for 2 hour and when you get back you'll fine ship is still empty and NPC will say it's ALPHA BRO and falls trough the floor so you won't be able to report him... :D Magic of SC :D
@@alexpetrov8871 Yes, but this is part of Elite's Game design. What CIG does is designing time and moneysinks for the sole purpose of wasting the player's time in a vain attempt to hide how little gameplay there is.
@@alexpetrov8871 You might not be entirely wrong, but like many others, I didn't back SC to play another combat centric game.
I don't hate combat (if it's done well), but in SC it's done poorly and mostly feels like combat for combat's sake.
In Games like GTA, you have a lot of combat, but it's to reach a objective and backed by a narrative. There's also a lot of objective besides "kill all enemies".
Melts all cargo ships while watching this video 😮
They can tweak numbers all they want, it's still boring to wait around for menial tasks to complete.
What do I do for 144 minutes, won't I be disconnected for inactivity? Do I just run in circles?
CR has psychologically moved from “let’s take as long as we need to get my every whim just right” to “oh s*** we need to push this thing out in whatever state we can.”
Chris will NOT be rushed to meet a release, or push out broken, buggy unplayable game
Also Chris we need money, push it out now
@@_wmd_ The investors have a put option to the tune of ~120 million in both 2025 and 2028. CIG had audit problems because they were saying 'we don't think it's likely that they will call that investment in soon so we don't have to reserve against it' when the reality is that the investors can force CIG to raise that capital on a moments notice, which would potentially lead to CIG having to sell a controlling stake to those very same investors.
@@RN1441
Ha, CIG proclaiming they would never take investors,... Or at least this is what i remember from way back.
See you all at release in 2077!
I did not think about how tedious selling the cargo of the reclaimer will become 🤯
Lol sit around and stare at your monitor with a timer. Such gameplay!
I'm starting to believe you, that they haven't put any forethought into these designs.
Mr Roberts doesn't know what fun means
These increases in complexity are going to increase the potential for game failure. For example, what happens if code renders these elevators broken (ship elevators, cargo elevators, or even tractor beams) . While these functions are down there will be no workarounds for those game loops. No regard for the players who spent hundreds of real dollars to participate in cargo hauling. Not a good sales strategy IMO.
I wonder what the size of the player base will be when SC goes live 1.0 . There will only be whales that sunk all their $ and have too much time on their hands since they are retired and old.
What? The bigger containers should be FASTER to load.
Isn't it? it's significantly faster to load 1 x 32 SCU container (= 60 seconds) than to load 32 x 1SCU containers (= 128 seconds)
I do think the benefit should be considerably larger. Time should scale off of number of containers, not volume of container.
@@GummiSammi yeah but his point is that a 12foot and a 16foot container for example take the exact same time for habor crew to throw on the boat
@@justincase9033 ah. Yes. I don’t agree with current balance. Bigger and heavier should only add fractions more to move than small containers. Total time to load should punish loading many small boxes.
Gotta be honest, the self loading and/or autoloading is going to take a lot of fun out of the trucking gameloop. unless ofcourse buy and sell price is adjusted as well.
with selfloading, it takes a ridiculous amount of time to load and unload a caterpillar. but paying for it will cost 28.000 so bye bye scrapruns,. people will only focus on the most profitable items. kind of goes against my idea of trucking as i also love hauling around items of less value.
we'll see what happens.
@@HeloHounds i'm fine even with a small fee. as they have an economy and NPC's need to get paid, i think there are plans for making it jobs for players as well. i get it, but needs to stay realistic for a gamer. this is not a small fee heheh
I don't see how a big container takes longer than small container. For example the Raft, which can only load 3 x 32 SCU containers, should be really quick to load and unload. They can load/unload all three simultaneously.
yes but that was long time ago and with new MASTER MODES things are changing rapidly based on new type of archetype which is your ship assigned...
So apparently, he doesn't want people to use big ships. For me, I typically use the C1 spirit, or Mercury, so it will just be a minor inconvenience. If cargo is your thing, this will be time consuming ORDEAL. Like others have said, I do like the whole Space SIM idea...but it doesn't mean it has to be JOB realism. It is a GAME Chris...as in we just got off WORK and want to PLAY!
That seems epic, with your exaple, 66 minutes of loading, whats the cost of autoloading 2000 SCU if mission payout is 25000 ..... so much 'fun' in one 'game'
Would be interesting to have different tiers of loading/unloading services. Higher cost=faster load, either due to more manpower or more sophisticated machinery used, for any given amount of cargo. Would also be interesting to have the ability to have jobs running in the background. Summon Hull C/D/E, purchase cargo, and get the loading started, but while that's happening, you can go do something else. Maybe have a few cargo jobs queued up.
Here's one use case: You have a fleet of cargo ships that you keep in a rotation. Two at each spaceport plus the one you are currently in.
Let's say you're pulling into a spaceport to make a delivery in ship 1 and you have ship 2 and ship 3 already at that spaceport. Ship 1 now needs to be unloaded, ship 2 needs to be loaded, ship 3 is loaded and ready to take off. So you start the timer on unloading and loading for ships 1& 2 and you fly 3 to the next place and do the same thing there.
It would also be nice to have cargo already purchased at a spaceport and have the ability to have your ship loaded and unloaded at the same time.
It’s wild to think humanity reached 100 star systems but forgot about pallets and computer controlled cranes.
If you live in a world with the SC tractor beams and their ability to utterly cancel inertia, you would see every cargo ship having almost exactly the same design, just at different sizes:
It would have a large, utterly unobstructed rear, with as many rail-mounted tractor beam cranes as they can fit on the walls and ceiling. The rails would extend out of the ship when the cargo hatch is down, as cranes and similar often do on specialized cargo haulers today.
A computer would control the motion, grabbing and stacking the standardized containers literally as fast as the rail system can handle the movement within the tolerances of the tractor beams.
Every cargo deck would also be identical, designed to deliver containers to a standardized location relative to the ship as fast as possible (probably also using the tractor beams to hold them in line, magic space conveyer belt.)
The only variations would be cargo bay size and internal vs external designs, with brand-themed decks for crew, engineering, and so on attached to the cargo bay such that they don’t conflict with the standardized cargo hub designs.
We don’t hand load ships today. We have incredibly complex and sophisticated machinery and tools, and computer systems, that make the process as fast and automated as possible.
If we are going to have space magic, that’s fine actually. But can we please pretend the people living in a universe with space magic have spent even a single second thinking about the space magic?
The 10 min game kick time sucks. Can't afk while waiting.
Imho they should (amply) reward players manually loading cargo if they want ppl to do that, not punish everyone that doesn’t want to do such a thing. This, of course, they provide players the means of securing their ships and cargo, like Camural has mentioned many times.
If this game survives, the first item on the agenda once competent people are put in place will be to strip out manual cargo loading and remove these timers.
The capability to manualy manipulate cargo should be left, it should not be mandatory.
Ouch. These times and prices are painful. Add to that the fact that being a bandit is easy and being a space trucker (based on the CIG videos and this) won't be very profitable and I can't see a single thing that could go wrong.
144 minutes is absolutely insane. Why would anyone think this is suitable? Must be another employee that does not play the game. If I was in charge I would have a one on one talk with the employee that made this decision. Even if it's not going to stay this high. All this does is make players unhappy and cause problems.
Truth be told these time sinks could work. But, they would need gameplay around them. You could have a giant ship, that needs to get its cargo unloaded. Sure it will take you a day, or a couple hours. But then that would give you a reason to explore the station you are on or the planetary city/hub you are in. There could be quests and activities those surrounding areas will prove for you. That isn't in the game now, but this may be CIG's mindset.
@zsavior4535 true. something to do, even if they're just reputation quests. Like take this letter to the guy at the noodle bar. Or, at POI's planet side. Drive a vehicle to the old hermit that lives by the lake and collect something..
I'm so hyped who is going to make a tutorial how to load / unload cargo manually to save up some credits and do it faster then autoload ??? lol.. this game always is so much fun.... one hour and a half loading ship just to get blast out of the sky by pirate... somehow i want to be a pirate now because this loading cargo gameplay isn't up for me... unless it's a minigame in form of a TETRIS that would be at least fun at least I would enjoy it more then magical-tractor-beam
20 minutes to load my caterpillar? sounds like it's time to melt my fleet and sell 'em on the grey market. this game has gotten less and less fun the closer to pyro releasing.
It’s always supposed to be like this. U pledged for another man dream game, get over it
@captainmurphy2328 please stop to pick and chose.
*I can show you dozens of things that were always intended, but either are only in a very rudimentary form in Star Citizen in year 12 or are dropped*
Also: There is something in between insta respawn plus teleport everywhere in a split second and tedious boring time sinks on top of each other.
If Chris doesn't wake up from his time sinks fever dream, you can enjoy playing Star Citizen with max 50 people on your server in 10 years.
@captainmurphy2328 yes CIG talked about auto loading. If you actually watched this video you would have seen it. So you didn't watch my video but you leave comments. CIG never mentioned times.
And Chris/Tony Zurovec talked about machines and NPCs in 2017: "We got a pretty comprehensive design right now (regarding loading of cargo)" but they had nothing 7 years ago and they still have nothing now, unless you want to count the gringe magical handheld tractorbeam.
Again, stop to pick and choose. Chris/CIG talked about a lot of things in the last 11.5 years. Most are dropped by now, are not in the game yet or only in a very rudimentary lowest effort form.
@@Camural first of all i never watch ur videos. This one in particular i watched for 2 mins and got bored. I’m here trolling robertsavello4120.
C2 equates to 21 32 SCU boxes.. Can probably shift that in roughly 22 minutes (depending how long it takes for freight elevator to bring them all). So, they probably balanced around 'average' load times? I wouldn't be surprised if these numbers go up later on, forcing us towards the tractor mechanics even more..
Funnily enough, there were players that complained about the loading times being too fast… Sad, I hope they enjoy their longer loading times…😂
Hmm does it unload the reclaimer boxes we store in the upper walkway and not on the grid? Or only on grid containers?
They are so in love with their tractor beams they are penalizing people for not using them.
But in the future, this will be done by robots or something like that.
I'd agree to a 1 to 2% service fee for loading, and no more than a 10 minute wait. Even that would be wasting my time.
Camural, you have short memory =) (or I have some fake ones =) ) you do not need second monitor for youtube, a lot time ago (a few years ) CIG talked about in PU TV Channels =) so why you will waiting for cargo loading , you can watch your favorite (in game) channel on MFD monitor =)
Lets say I have just been mining and want to go about selling my materials, and I have a prospector and a Freelancer for hauling.
1) I would have to wait for the items to be refined.
2) I might have to claim my cargo ship to have it brought to the same station as my refined materials. (13m)
3) Then I might have to either manually load, or stand around while it auto loads. (4m)
4) Then I might jump into quantum travel and time afk as you're not required to do anything. (10m)
5) Then I have to navigate through a tedious transport system at a planetary landing location. (10m)
That's over 35 minutes, in maybe a 1 hour play session where you are quite literally not involved in the game play at all.
Its bad game design, regardless of what the "but it's immersive" people want to say.
@What3v3a the White Knights pick and chose. It is only immersive if they feel like it.
It is not immersive:
-to die of thirst in 3 hours
-to die of thirst in 1.5 hours when running
-to die of hunger in 5 hours
-to have gringe magical handheld tactor beams where we can move masses exceeding 100 tons without any effort
-to have a game without any physics, not even any mass simulation. No one expects Star Citizen to have perfect physics, no one expects another Kerbal, but there is something in between Kerbal and an 100% magic game. All we ask for are physics that look alright at first glance.
-etc. etc. etc.
:)
Hull C was supposed to be the semi truck of the verse. We should be able to demagnetize the grid and drive away just like semi trucks can drop their trailer and be on there way to hook up to another trailer and get back on the road.
Watching that clip of Chris talking about container ships in port is scary. I hope he does not look into how long those container ships take to unload. He will take the 3 days for real ships and multiply it by his "immersion" factor and have us unable to use a Hull E for a week. Takes a long time for our ships to be unloaded on Earth because those containers are heavy. In space they weigh nothing.
@Power5
1. In space containers still have mass. It is easier to move containers in a zero G environment, but not effortless, things always have mass.
2. Chris/CIG have a perfect solution for the loading waiting times: Buy multiple ships, like 4-6 Hull C. Fixed! :)
Can't wait to lose even more time with this Time Sink Simulator
This makes the catterpillar an incredibly good ship though! Once you can detach the command module that is.....soon tm.
tbh i think all talent have left CIG and they are left with young clueless devs that get there inspiration from fortnight and other silly acarde shooters. i loved SC but for me, it has kinda failed, the flight model totaly kills it for me, no fun to be had anymore. all the years of nerfs have left SC a empty husk of a game. im starting to think the PU was just a scam to get funding to sq42 and when 42 release CIG will say they are out of monnies and they are gona have to scrap the PU, i sadly dont think CR sees the PU as the main game if he ever did.
I think that those values are a long way from being final. But everyone go ahead with the hyperventilating. Some of these values may not even make it out of PTU without changes.
@angepano8591 I am saying this in this video, twice.
Damn its going to take DAYS to load the Hull E and cost millions
Its not just the handheld tractor beam. There are ship tractor beams and the new MPUV Tractor that also are used for loading.
@EdmundRobinson
1. A magical handheld tractor beam can move 32 SCU containers with masses exceeding 100 tons without any effort.
2. Seven years ago Chris was talking about machines and NPCs helping with loading and Tony Zurovec said "We got a pretty comprehensive design right now (loading of cargo)". Tony was not telling the truth. CIG had nothing 7 years ago, they still have nothing except gringe magical tractor beams. Well it is Star Beam Citizen of course :)
@@Camural Having the design and implementing the design are two different things. Yes, 7 years is a long wait to see the 1st phase of implementation. However, this does not mean they do not have a comprehensive design. It just means they are comprehensively terrible at estimating timelines. Cargo does not have mass implemented yet so no surprise that 32 SCU of Iron is as light as a feather.
@EdmundRobinson well let's wait 5 more years and see who is correct :)
CIG might implement mass, like for example a loaded cargo ship is more sluggish than an empty one, which would be very welcome.
However, I am willing to bet we won't see NPCs and machines doing the loading even 5 years from now.
@@Camural LOL! Only time will tell. They keep raking in the "funding" so they may milk it another 10 yrs. 😂
This feels like no one at CIG stopped to consider whether this is fun. I'm sure there is someone who thinks this is awesome. But dare I say for the vast majority long wait timers are crummy mobile game tier of bad.
By lore the catepiller is supposed to be faster to load because each bay opens to either side…. Another broken statement
They also fold down. but CIG has never finished the ship and i'm doubtful they ever will.
Pirates will have to wait. Along time between loads now. Much safer I guess is what Chris is thinking. Can't rob someone who's not playing
who is gonna wait around for the hull C, even worse, who gonna do taht manually xDDDDD
Can you go out and do other missions and such while the C2 is being loaded? e.g. l accept and go do a bounty mission during the 22 minutes of loading?
based on this leaked info, cargo gameplay is dead. over two hours for haul c is just ridiculous for a video game and you have to pay in game credits to do so.
I mean as long as there’s an option to load cargo myself faster or with a crew idc about the load times. Something tells me that’s what they want me to do anyway. Imagine being a freelancer on a station who will help cargo runners load their ships for a small fee
Right. Magic Tractor beams are cringe. Unlike magic autoloading. Sure buddy.
The existence of the tractor beam doesn't bother me. What does bother me is players paying for auto loading are waiting over 2 hours? The point of paying for it to be done is to expedite the process. Maybe they forgot that part? 😆
All the Idriss sold show up. No one will be flying anywhere. Fun fun
Looking at the hull C ships, it looks to me like the ship would come to a port and pay to have the four large racked sections taken off and away from your ship. Then the load would be broken down after that. Hull C’s racks and would be replaced and the ship would leave again. The hull C’s main detachable racks would be viewed as a style of pallet that holds all the boxes on the four sides of the hull C. Trackers wait for the truck or ship to be unloaded.
A large ocean container ship, is never unloaded by its captain. Small trucks are unloaded by the driver. And semi trucks. It can go rather way but most the time corporation or company doesn’t want the truck driver using the stations lift or trust the truck driver to know how to use a forklift properly. Truck drivers are on no sleep. Some on a lot off coffee or Uppers. And the person can do a lot of damage if they’re not a good forklift driver. Even to the point where there’s licenses in states And it’s not legal for a semi truck driver to jump on a forklift and just start unloading his truck. Unless the driver has his own forklift and it’s been okayed by the warehouse.
@Mace1000S I like your hull C idea, a lot :)
However, CIG cannot even get the Reclaimer claw to work like in their faked Vulture promo video, so there is no hope for your idea in Star Citizen.
@@Camural True
oooph! thats gonna sting alot harder for someone who has spent many hours buying/loading then heading out only to be annihilated by a random guy for no reason other than "because he can" ouch! 😂
It's even worse for ships that do not fit the bigger containers or for supplies that are in broken amounts, like vices.
Want to fill your nomad without being fully exposed? Wait 96 seconds because all the boxes are 1 scu.
Hope no one shows up. Otherwise, you are defenseless.
Cargo is already the riskiest game loop in the game. you can lose millions in a matter of seconds due to piracy or bugs. I don't think making it more complicated is going to offer a lot of incentive to trade commodities.
I paid as much as a small car for this, and this depreciates more than a new car for me now.
Unless you don't have a job or life this is ridiculous.
So let’s recap:
Cargo amount: 2130 SCU
Payout: 25,000 aUEC
The times and prices for just moving the cargo into a ship:
fastest loading times with 24 SCU and 32 SCU: 66.56 minutes.
price for autoloading: 106,500 aUEC (same price for all SCU)
If the prices for autoloading already include unloading, we would do the job of loading, unloading and spacetrucking for ¼ of the NPCs salary for just loading/unloading the ship.
If the prices for autoloading do NOT include unloading we do the whole mission for 1/8 of the NPCs salary for loading and unloading.
I am ok with NPC prices cutting into the profits, but this is beyond anything I ever expected. This has to change, because why should we be paid less than NPCs who only do part of the work?
@IFranz-zt7if those numbers are all place holders. It is an evocati PTU patch. Even if those numbers go to live, there will be a lot of changes in the many years to come.
Still I find it strange that CIG cannot seem to come up with some reasonable numbers, they are always way off.
@@CamuralYou're right and I am aware, that these numbers are only placeholder. I do hope these numbers will change, because otherwise there is no incentive to do these missions. It seems that they simply overlooked that we now have a comparison between what NPCs and players receive for the same part of jobs. At least for these first numbers with higher cargo values.
There was a change in prices for cargo missions in the last 5 days, right? Was this screenshot from before or after that change?
Have you thought about updating your Twitter segment, as its been a while since they rebranded to 'X'?
It's not only bad for the Hull C ... this will not scale well at all for a Hull E.
1600 for 32 SCU? I hope they have increased commodity profit margins from what they were last time I played.
The hull c is not actually in this method as there is no hanger/elevator for the hull c area. So the estimated time is not accurate, currently. You can only auto load/unload with the hull c due to the process it uses (magic space cube). It'll still be roughly the same as it currently is.
@FoxVelox222 I gave rough estimations according to the current evocati PTU load times and assuming all ships have the auto load option. This means 144 minutes for a Hull C. Of course, this is CIG, so not all ships have an auto load option at the moment and of course those numbers are subject to change.
I still find it important enough to talk about the numbers at this moment in time.
@Camural the times for ships up to the c2 would be accurate. The hull c is an outside case. It doesn't follow the same rules or metric for its load/unload. Do I agree with it, no it's silly. Unfortunately that's how CIG chooses to do things making bigger better always.
@FoxVelox222 CIG will address Hull C. You can be sure it will get a lot slower :)
thank heaven in 2025 the investors will pull out and the game dies ,CIG are just trolling us now ....
That's come because they haven't any playable routine now....
Des get me booooring..
Auf wiedersehen😁
People need to get out of mindset earning 890s in a few hours. Should take months or even a year for capital. Is waiting for timers the way like this cargo? Probably not.
it baffels me that CIG thinks everyone wanna play a IRL job in a game. im there to have fun and not do what i do irl.
Sometimes I wonder if they even want people to play the game. A good amount of time is spent preparing for a session, only to have a bug erase all your work before you get to do what you wanted.
I enjoyed space trucking, I do not like moving cargo.
Moving your own cargo makes sense of you are being a space white van man in a small shop, but once you are at truck or godforbid container shop size loads, it should be automated and fairly fast, it takes no time at all for the industrial ballet dancers commonly known as forklift drivers to load up a truck and a cargo ship with over 10k 40ft containers takes a few days, no matter how you look at it, we are talking a few hundred containers at most, in the future.... It should not be taking hours to load up a large ship.
Just how are they going to make hailing profitable when it will take hours to load it or pay a whole group to load and unload you, plus an escorts where, unlike reality, they don't have to be doing hard labour and could be off flying and fighting, which is what the pay will have to cover the cost of doing instead!
I dumped about $500 in this project. My wallet had been closed off for years now seeing the direction it has taken
Please tell me more again about Death of a Spaceman Chris because that is the only consistent game play loop this game has ever offered me, Death by Bug. I switched to mining... because you can never sell your RMC... after losing to many large cargo run to bugs. Now I get to spend a day waiting and thousands of UEC just to lose them again to the same damn bugs that were killing me off years ago? Chris has surrounded himself with to many sycophants who have turned into conmen.
Is Hater115's new discord invite only or what?
Outline the details in the contracts. Some contracts will make it so you unload the cargo yourself and some contracts are auto unload for less pay. People can do what they want to do.
Even the old values were too high - who came up with the idea to make loading times even longer?
Wait Hater is still there?
Didnt he left the leak team a while ago after they had some internal problems with each other or something like that?
The shipper should be paying for moving their cargo, not me.
So we all use 2 accounts, and while one auto-loads, we play with the other?
@Casey093 and buy 4-6 Hull C :)
At this point Chris is watching your videos and making the complete opposite of what you suggest 😂
Waiting for live or it didn't happen
Hull C autoloading is just abysmal........ I dont care who you are, ANY dev who has given the OK for 144 minutes (2.4 hours) of loading needs to just remove themselves from that developement team, your not even playing the game at that point wtaf.
Imagine if server crashes and recovers? what happens to whatever is loaded or still loading? that really needs its own timer considering its stuck in space for autoloading so imo should be much quicker anyway as you "would" in theory be loading it with ships not people or smaller tractor beams
whait for Hull E =)
"Any dev should be removed for this": havd you forgot the missiles you could take over flying at cruise speed in a slow cargo ship, just after releasing the "new" (old) Retaliation and the missile boat Sabre? "Nothing to see here: move along"! 🤦♂️
anybody knows that which discord shared this informations?
Eyo - don't mind ya covering anything I post, but would definitely appreciate if you'd link the Discord or Substack if you're gonna refer to them just in-case people want to chase down where they came from.
@dannywhatever I am not sure what link to use. Can you please send me the link?
If the keep going down this road this is going to happen
this will turn people off playing the game.
In my opinion this is a very bad idea
these long time sinks.
@wardarklord1974 I am starting to develop a crazy idea in my head, I am sure it is wrong:
-Even Chris cannot be so uninformed to believe adding tedious time sinks onto tedious time sinks will make a fun and engaging game
-Chris does this as his exit strategy. Chris can claim: "We tried but players lost interest" sorry guy we have to stop making Star Citizen
-Chris, Sandi, Erin walk away with a few million dollars each
@@Camural I hope you are wrong. but it DOES makes you wonder who in their right mind said during the monday morning meeting: Hey you know what be great? To have to wait 144 minutes to get your Hull c loaded. I bet people love that shit.
Nothing more exciting in a game than tedious loading and unloading. Along with ridiculous fuse running. Heaven forbid they work on more game play loops instead of tedium.
With these low payouts, how tf do they want me to pay for my crew or escorts???
If a game can't respect peoples time, they will just go elsewhere.
I wish folks would stop leaking on my game, its beginning to smell weird. :P
This loading system is absolute rubbish, I am honestly surprised they are pushing for more of a time sink like this...
@JJS563 oh more time sinks are coming soon:
-local inventory gone
-resource network = managing every little thing on your ship yourself, like changing filters etc.
-perma death
crazy deutscher! silly and danger!
22 minutes for a C2? That's really not bad at all. Truckers need to have a delay for loading. Miners and salvagers both have to spend time gathering what they've found. Miners have it way worse though with the RNG grinding.
It's a British thing, they always fail when it comes to grasping the Big Picture. Properly rename the game Death of a Spaceman "by Bug" or Hurry Up and Wait. This game is becoming way to punitive towards the player.
Ruining the Cargo game completely, load and unload by hand if you want to, but why the hell punish everyone that prefers the auto load. Wont be waiting 18 minutes to have my Cat loaded. Melt melt melt.
Ich persönlich freue mich meine Schiffe per Hand zu beladen. Die 32scu Container in einer Minute zu verladen empfinde ich zwar auch als lang, aber hier wird immerhin noch über den evocati Server gesprochen. Es ist noch lange nicht der fixe Zustand für das PU. Also erstmal die Füße still halten und konstruktive Kritik an RSI heran tragen.
@Bohnenfresser I mention this in my video, twice: This is an evocati patch, those times might not make it to live in addition there will be a lot of changes in the many years to come.
Should I mention this from now on 3 times in my videos?
How long are container ships in port irl, I can see the logic.
@krsfreo oh yes of course:
-we die in 3 hours of thirst in real life
-we die in 1.5 hours of thirst in real life if we run
-we die of hunger in 5 hours in real life
@@Camural we dont load a container ship in 133 minutes in real life either. a lot of the people that play Star citizen would definitely die after the things you mentioned :P.