Simply put, they practiced the right shit on a consistent basis. One thing that held back my playing for many years is consistency. If you want to be great, you gotta do it consistently and gradually moving out of your comfort zone.
I’be followed Nate for a long time. It’s GREAT to have him on Drumeo!! He sees the “inside” perspective on things that we all observe, but that we don’t really understand the details of. Each one of your educators brings something different, yet they all come together to make Drumeo a “go to” in drum education. Thank you, Jared, and Nate!!!
One thing I like most about Sarah Thawer is that she’s got the absolute best stank face. She’s obviously an amazing player, but her facial expressions just totally get me into whatever she’s doing. It’s not some practiced thing, she’s just feeling it, and it makes me feel it all the more. So good.
That was fun! Easily one of my favourite Drumeo videos yet. I already followed/enjoyed Nates stuff but the production quality here along with the visuals/sense of humour intermixed was a beautiful blend of approachable education. Thank you. 🙏
Wow! I’ve been watching 80/20 for years and for some reason thought he oughta be working for/with Drumeo all along. The drumming union/community is second to none amongst musicians
The cool thing is the green hoodie homie wasn't trying to outplay the "bad drummer" He was helping him sound better. Bringing him up and that's what music is about.
Being able to displace the beat by 8th's and 16th's along with a click was one of the hardest things I ever learned how to do. Because I (we) was raised on rock and roll radio it took soooo long to be able to escape that backbeat as we've been trained to find it. Now I can slip in and out of it at will but it wasn't easy
Hello from Kansas City, Missouri. Great Video Nate. What it takes to be a Great Drummer are a number of things that are Simple but not Easy. Specifically, Tone, Time, Feel, Articulation, Dynamics, Rhythms, Sticking, Instrumentation. But also things like Being on Time, Learning a Song Quickly, Efficient Rehearsals etc. Also for anyone that's interested, Nate Smiths 80/20 Drummer Website and RUclips Channel are easily two of the Best sites and channels for Drummers, especially for Jazz. Thanks.
The most under rated drummer is Joey Kramer from Aerosmith. You can really hear how great he is by listening to Aerosmith live without Joey during this current tour compared to Aerosmith with Joey Kramer. When they did their Nine Lives album, Joey wasn’t there for the recording so they used a session drummer…when Joey came back they scrapped the whole album and re-recorded it with Joey.
I feel it's more like the resolution of a TV screen. When we first start playing time, the pixels are all big, and there's really only "approximately near the beat" or "way off". As we get better, the pixels get smaller, and you can find the center of the beat. So while physically what might be happening is we have to have the mechanics line up so we can place the note where we hear it, what I'm talking about is even farther up the brainstem, and has to do with how accurately we're HEARING the spot we need to calibrate the hesitation of our body to place the note. If that makes any sense.
@@8020drummer I can see what you're saying here. As our resolution gets larger over time, our abilities are better suited to placing the hits within the pixels where others may not even be able to perceive.
👍 Great practice idea! I've been doing this for few hours and my groove and fill is sound much better right after. I always practice with quarter note click offbeat and this is much more fun to me. Big thanks again for Drumeo 🙏
This really reminds me of how flow is really important to get a good groove while filling. Bill Bruford does a great example of it. I hope you guys do an episode on him!
This was great. I watch 80/20 as well at times. This lesson reminds of Phil Rudd on a song like 'Back In Black'. It is simple beat, but if you listen closely, Rudd is in a pocket that is unbelievable. It's deceptively simple pattern, but its all how Rudd plays it. It comes with time to develop feel.
Simply put. You gotta swing no matter what you play. Metal/ Rock Pop Jazz. It's feel and pocket is harder than 8 bar riffs . Once you get over I gotta show out than put those 32 fills and really blow them away. Peace out.
Rudd is widely known for playing just the right amount of "behind the beat", leaving that big open space per bar for the guitars and bass to fill it to the brim. and it works beautifully.
Thanks Nate! Love the parking space analogy! And hearing the metronome on different parts of the beat - works great - to me it’s like playing a groove with a percussionist!
This was great! Thanks for having him on, Drumeo - I hope there's a lot more to come. Nate is a fantastic no-nonsense educator that takes tricky-to-first-grab concepts and charts a great path to understanding!
My old guitar teacher once told me… “You will get FROM it, what you put INTO it. I imagine that same philosophy holds true with drums as well. Dedicated daily practice, and hard work… There’s just no substitute.
This is so awesome. I’m a better drummer than I was 2 years ago and by a lot because of my teachers in Lima, Peru and also because of you Nate. That tip of keeping things hitting at the same time and the off beat 16ths helped me a lot.
You look so professional all dressed up, got to get used to the new look, congratulations, I knew they were going to nab you, always loved your authenticity and style, keep moving forward
Great to see Nate on Drumeo! To me, he has a real life approach to drumming, but has the unique ability to see certain details that most of us do not. Very cool, hope to see more of him on Drumeo. 👍🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁
When I manage to practice every day for a while I begin to feel like I’m getting close, especially on a good day where I’m just jamming along with my favorite tunes Then I miss a few days due to boring responsibilities and when I come back I’m sloppy, takes a while to warm up, and I struggle to lock up with the beat real tight. Really frustrating when I just can’t manage to play at the level I know I’m capable of, or at least want to be capable of.
What I like about the Thomas thing....is that he jumps in WITH the other dude. He doesn't care about who is what...he just loves to be playing music with someone right then.
Thanks for your responses. I've deleted my former comments because I think I muddied the waters in respect to the topic of your video. Love your channel and respect you as a musician and tutor truly. Thanks for the exchange all the same
I like the parking space concept, I discovered the idea of what Nate calls the parking space here when I was doing exercises to improve my weak hand (left). I would add task to the left during fills and added notes to hi hat and ride as a warm up and found myself covering the snare more with the right hand. Doing this made me double think timing and iron out the rough spots, sometimes by adding a double or creating a rest note. It forced me to slow down and when I did I found so much room inside the beat that it unleashed new creativity. Nate is dropping a really good nugget here for those who haven’t already discovered the space between where music lives.
@@kimrapley3721 which is *kind of* a different way to say the same thing? (But we agree) BTW I can't take credit for the parking space. That comes from my friend Ian Allison.
This guy always finds new and interesting ways for me to hate my own drumming...Another lesson you never get in life kids .. Ignorance is bliss... Remember to have fun and feel the music..
@@8020drummer I agree...I love your videos and they always challenge my perception of my own playing...I knew if you read this you would understand I was joking about hating my drumming and get the fact that it is important above all else to have fun and not take yourself to seriously...
they're better than most because: A. had access great material and teachers at a young age. B. could afford to play drums at an early age. C. One or both parents are musicians and music comes naturally to them. Getting started at an early age, money and natural ability will of course make your ceiling way higher than the average person getting started.
to be fair, I played a LOT on that kit, but in this, the first of 3 videos we shot (plus a take of me playing with a song), they just cut most of the playing out.
My theory is that Nate had to practice in rented spaces where going all out was not possible, so he developed a somewhat subdued style. Also, sharing kits with other drummers meant not getting to tune one exactly the way you like, but then sort of skewing his perception of what a kit should sound like. I like his odd sense of humor and ability to avoid the crowd and carve out a niche for himself in a crowded field. I really wanted to hear him perform a full song he really likes or do an extended drum solo on that Drumeo kit, which sounded great.
we did shoot some of that. It's kind of in Drumeo's hands as far as when they want to share it ;) As for your theory, I'd attribute it more to playing acoustic jazz for 15 years, so not having the volume levels internalized until I started doing sheds with people like Forrest and Chris Paprota circa 2016. From there it's been a few-year journey to playing with more volume, and Jacob Evans has helped me get more volume with less tension as well.
Great job in getting the process across!!! Cant think of a better way of explaining playing on,behind and ahead of the beat than the parking space scenario 😉👏👍✌🏼
Bout time Drumeo got Nate in....A Great dude and educator.
Amen 👌🏽
Amen
🙏
Hell yeah Gareth!
Awesome dude! 👍
Finally Nate is on Drumeo! I'm huge fan of both channels and I've been waiting this for years!
Thanks for the great video!
💙💙
Same
Likewise.
Hell yeah Nate glad to see you on Drumeo
Yoooooo 💪💪
Nate is the brutal honesty we all need.
@Bronson Tolliver I agree. And I’m glad he figured out how to deliver that brutal honesty without alienating newcomers.
Simply put, they practiced the right shit on a consistent basis. One thing that held back my playing for many years is consistency. If you want to be great, you gotta do it consistently and gradually moving out of your comfort zone.
This Guy is Brilliant, his knowledge is sooo deep. We need more of his concepts, please.
I’be followed Nate for a long time. It’s GREAT to have him on Drumeo!! He sees the “inside” perspective on things that we all observe, but that we don’t really understand the details of.
Each one of your educators brings something different, yet they all come together to make Drumeo a “go to” in drum education.
Thank you, Jared, and Nate!!!
Thanks for the kind words! 💙
Less GOOOO😃
So happy to see Nate here. He is an amazing educator and always keep uploading his videos in his channel!
Easily the most informative, killer, and most importantly: useful, lesson in forever. Thanks.
Glad you like it, Jared!
Aaaaaw 😀😀😀
Amen
Very cool seeing Nate up in the house 👊🏾😎
Oh wow! This has been so cool to see these RUclips drummers showing up, like Rob "Beatdown" Brown, Camille Bigeault, and now Nate!
Glad you like it, Jeremy!
Nate is such a great teacher, he reminds me of my drum teacher. Very helpful with the visual analogy!
Watched Nate for a long time and got pretty excited when he popped up here! Would absolutely love a full length lesson from him!
One thing I like most about Sarah Thawer is that she’s got the absolute best stank face. She’s obviously an amazing player, but her facial expressions just totally get me into whatever she’s doing. It’s not some practiced thing, she’s just feeling it, and it makes me feel it all the more. So good.
Nate on Drumeo!
FINALLY!
That was fun! Easily one of my favourite Drumeo videos yet. I already followed/enjoyed Nates stuff but the production quality here along with the visuals/sense of humour intermixed was a beautiful blend of approachable education. Thank you. 🙏
Cheers!
I love this guy, he's brought drumming down to realistic goals that build foundations for all drummers to build greatness upon
Wow! I’ve been watching 80/20 for years and for some reason thought he oughta be working for/with Drumeo all along. The drumming union/community is second to none amongst musicians
The cool thing is the green hoodie homie wasn't trying to outplay the "bad drummer" He was helping him sound better. Bringing him up and that's what music is about.
Being able to displace the beat by 8th's and 16th's along with a click was one of the hardest things I ever learned how to do. Because I (we) was raised on rock and roll radio it took soooo long to be able to escape that backbeat as we've been trained to find it. Now I can slip in and out of it at will but it wasn't easy
Hello from Kansas City, Missouri. Great Video Nate. What it takes to be a Great Drummer are a number of things that are Simple but not Easy. Specifically, Tone, Time, Feel, Articulation, Dynamics, Rhythms, Sticking, Instrumentation. But also things like Being on Time, Learning a Song Quickly, Efficient Rehearsals etc. Also for anyone that's interested, Nate Smiths 80/20 Drummer Website and RUclips Channel are easily two of the Best sites and channels for Drummers, especially for Jazz. Thanks.
Great to see Nate here!
And to hear him on a kit that isn't all busted up 🤣
The most under rated drummer is Joey Kramer from Aerosmith. You can really hear how great he is by listening to Aerosmith live without Joey during this current tour compared to Aerosmith with Joey Kramer. When they did their Nine Lives album, Joey wasn’t there for the recording so they used a session drummer…when Joey came back they scrapped the whole album and re-recorded it with Joey.
Listen to Get your wings and Rocks some of Joey's best. Just some.
Nice, a fellow SensusFidelium subscriber
I love Weckel Gadd Phillips etc. But I Love Me some Kramer. Very underated!!!
Also one of my favorites. Mark Carney gone to soon. Listen to Gino's Brother to Brother. Craney not Carney. Sorry.
Wtf!
Been an 80/20 sub since 2017 truly an academic
Oh hell yeah! Finally! A long time fan of both, great to see the crossover finally happening! :)
I love the analogy of the motorcycle in the parking spot, but really you're just timing your hesitations.
I feel it's more like the resolution of a TV screen. When we first start playing time, the pixels are all big, and there's really only "approximately near the beat" or "way off". As we get better, the pixels get smaller, and you can find the center of the beat. So while physically what might be happening is we have to have the mechanics line up so we can place the note where we hear it, what I'm talking about is even farther up the brainstem, and has to do with how accurately we're HEARING the spot we need to calibrate the hesitation of our body to place the note. If that makes any sense.
@@8020drummer I can see what you're saying here. As our resolution gets larger over time, our abilities are better suited to placing the hits within the pixels where others may not even be able to perceive.
This is basically a 80/20 drummer video on drumeo. big W drumeo. its about time
Nate and Drumeo, two great tastes that go well together! Awesome video Nate and Frumeo!
👍 Great practice idea! I've been doing this for few hours and my groove and fill is sound much better right after.
I always practice with quarter note click offbeat and this is much more fun to me.
Big thanks again for Drumeo 🙏
This really reminds me of how flow is really important to get a good groove while filling. Bill Bruford does a great example of it. I hope you guys do an episode on him!
This was great. I watch 80/20 as well at times. This lesson reminds of Phil Rudd on a song like 'Back In Black'. It is simple beat, but if you listen closely, Rudd is in a pocket that is unbelievable. It's deceptively simple pattern, but its all how Rudd plays it. It comes with time to develop feel.
Simply put. You gotta swing no matter what you play. Metal/ Rock Pop Jazz. It's feel and pocket is harder than 8 bar riffs . Once you get over I gotta show out than put those 32 fills and really blow them away. Peace out.
Rudd is widely known for playing just the right amount of "behind the beat", leaving that big open space per bar for the guitars and bass to fill it to the brim. and it works beautifully.
Very good. In New Zealand we need this. Thanks Mr Nate.
Nate is really one of the best youtube teachers. Big up from France Drumeo !
I'm not a drummer but I enjoy learning how music "works", and this was an amazing, informative video.
As a drummer I always like listening to the natural drummer just laying down a beat with feeling!!
So glad to see Nate Smith on Drumeo!
This is all put together so well! Production, content, clips, playing and the drums sound amazing as usual. Well done Nate and Drumeo! ❤️🤘🎉
Thanks!
I've been wishing for this collaboration for years.
That’s a really interesting and cool way to think about…well, a lot of things. Great practice ideas, too. Thanks guys.
Cheers Cody!
Drumeo is not just THE best drum education online, it is a great, supportive community 😊
💙💙
Love that guy Nate been learning off him for years now
Thanks Nate! Love the parking space analogy! And hearing the metronome on different parts of the beat - works great - to me it’s like playing a groove with a percussionist!
The theorisation of Nate with the production value of Drumeo is a banger. We need this as a régular serie.
This was great! Thanks for having him on, Drumeo - I hope there's a lot more to come. Nate is a fantastic no-nonsense educator that takes tricky-to-first-grab concepts and charts a great path to understanding!
thanks!
My old guitar teacher once told me… “You will get FROM it, what you put INTO it. I imagine that same philosophy holds true with drums as well. Dedicated daily practice, and hard work… There’s just no substitute.
So cool to see you here Nate! 👍
This lesson will make me sign up for Drumeo! Nate is excellent!!!
Perfect illustration
This is so awesome. I’m a better drummer than I was 2 years ago and by a lot because of my teachers in Lima, Peru and also because of you Nate. That tip of keeping things hitting at the same time and the off beat 16ths helped me a lot.
That drums SOUND SICK.
The guy that got my drumming off the ground. Been watching this guy’s videos since before I was a drummer.
Wow, I just realized I can play a lot of that stuff after all these years. I just can't seem to get it all in one long sentence...
this opened my eyes back when I saw it on Nate's channel.. great lesson
Finally some recognition for Nate.
Brilliantly performed and explained by one of the great teachers out there Nate👌🥁
You look so professional all dressed up, got to get used to the new look, congratulations, I knew they were going to nab you, always loved your authenticity and style, keep moving forward
Glad to see you here!
Whoa!! Nate! So glad to see him here. Been following him for a while. Great lesson! Really excited about working on this.
Mark Giuliana's work ethic is ABSURD!
Great combination! Drumeo and Nate ! Love and appreciate both. Thanks for the lesson
Love Nate, great to see him here finally
Great to see Nate on Drumeo! To me, he has a real life approach to drumming, but has the unique ability to see certain details that most of us do not. Very cool, hope to see more of him on Drumeo. 👍🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁
Such an amazing analogy, Nate!
Wow. Nate! Cool to see you at Drumeo!
So glad to see Nate here. So cool
Cheers Juan!
As a long time subscriber to Nate and Drumeo it's great they've done something together. Good lesson. 👍
Thank you Nate and Drumeo.
Much appreciated.
Cheers.
This is the best video Drumeo has ever put up....by farrrr.
Good to see at least one Nate Smith appeared on Drumeo. Now for the 'real' Nate Smith. ;)
When I manage to practice every day for a while I begin to feel like I’m getting close, especially on a good day where I’m just jamming along with my favorite tunes
Then I miss a few days due to boring responsibilities and when I come back I’m sloppy, takes a while to warm up, and I struggle to lock up with the beat real tight. Really frustrating when I just can’t manage to play at the level I know I’m capable of, or at least want to be capable of.
Great explanation of a topic not discussed often enough!
Love Nate, great to see him on the channel. Wicked insight from a great educator who can really elevate everyone's playing regardless of level 🙌
thanks so much
What I like about the Thomas thing....is that he jumps in WITH the other dude. He doesn't care about who is what...he just loves to be playing music with someone right then.
Used to be a lot of emphasis on breathing - the physical act of breathing - through fills and rhythms. Has a big effect on the “fudge factor”.
Thanks for your responses. I've deleted my former comments because I think I muddied the waters in respect to the topic of your video. Love your channel and respect you as a musician and tutor truly. Thanks for the exchange all the same
There was no need to delete anything. I appreciated your comments either way 💪
Hey, revisiting our exchange here. Why didn't you mention yourself as great!? You are also an example of great, like your peers!
Yay Nate you made it dude!!
HE’S ON DRUMEOOOOO
Zack next tho
that was awesome! thanks 80/20! and drumeo
Love this guy! Awesome to see him at Drumeo ✌🏻
I've been waiting a long time for this one.... awesome. Nate is a great professor.
Nate is a good man also a great drummer and the best teacher
..really cool motorcycle analogy, kept me tuned in the whole lesson. You should have him back!
I'm 1 minute in, and can't wait to hear what Nate sounds like on an un-busted, actual kit!!
I like the parking space concept, I discovered the idea of what Nate calls the parking space here when I was doing exercises to improve my weak hand (left). I would add task to the left during fills and added notes to hi hat and ride as a warm up and found myself covering the snare more with the right hand. Doing this made me double think timing and iron out the rough spots, sometimes by adding a double or creating a rest note. It forced me to slow down and when I did I found so much room inside the beat that it unleashed new creativity. Nate is dropping a really good nugget here for those who haven’t already discovered the space between where music lives.
Another thing that separates these exceptional drummers from a more average drummer is their intuitive use of dynamics, pace, feel and momentum.
@@kimrapley3721 which is *kind of* a different way to say the same thing? (But we agree) BTW I can't take credit for the parking space. That comes from my friend Ian Allison.
This guy always finds new and interesting ways for me to hate my own drumming...Another lesson you never get in life kids .. Ignorance is bliss... Remember to have fun and feel the music..
lol noooo! Love your playing. It's always tough right? We have to accept ourselves as we are but also strive to improve.
@@8020drummer I agree...I love your videos and they always challenge my perception of my own playing...I knew if you read this you would understand I was joking about hating my drumming and get the fact that it is important above all else to have fun and not take yourself to seriously...
Great to see Nate here !!
they're better than most because: A. had access great material and teachers at a young age. B. could afford to play drums at an early age. C. One or both parents are musicians and music comes naturally to them. Getting started at an early age, money and natural ability will of course make your ceiling way higher than the average person getting started.
Finally, 80/20. Nicely done.
This is great. The other element is dynamics. Timing is everything. But dynamics is the cherry on top that separates the greats from the plebs.
Very true 🙌
my mind is 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 and I often wondered why does these great drummers sound better.
I like how drumeo prepare huge drumset for Nate and He’s just throw everything through the window 😂
to be fair, I played a LOT on that kit, but in this, the first of 3 videos we shot (plus a take of me playing with a song), they just cut most of the playing out.
AWESOME NATE,,,BEEN FOLLOWING YOU FOR YEARS...EVEN BOUGHT A COUPLE OF COURSES FROM YOU....WELL DESERVED TO BE ON DRUMEO..KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
thanks so much
finally your drumskit sounds excellent :D congratulations!
awesome class, love the way he educates
My theory is that Nate had to practice in rented spaces where going all out was not possible, so he developed a somewhat subdued style. Also, sharing kits with other drummers meant not getting to tune one exactly the way you like, but then sort of skewing his perception of what a kit should sound like. I like his odd sense of humor and ability to avoid the crowd and carve out a niche for himself in a crowded field. I really wanted to hear him perform a full song he really likes or do an extended drum solo on that Drumeo kit, which sounded great.
we did shoot some of that. It's kind of in Drumeo's hands as far as when they want to share it ;)
As for your theory, I'd attribute it more to playing acoustic jazz for 15 years, so not having the volume levels internalized until I started doing sheds with people like Forrest and Chris Paprota circa 2016. From there it's been a few-year journey to playing with more volume, and Jacob Evans has helped me get more volume with less tension as well.
Nate in the house !
Great job in getting the process across!!! Cant think of a better way of explaining playing on,behind and ahead of the beat than the parking space scenario 😉👏👍✌🏼
Underrated lesson
Great lesson!
Cheers!
Great lesson! Nate is awesome. :)