@@worldtraveler930 well lets all dish out a extra buck or two this month to his patreon and make sure he wins this honey! (so we can see more shooting in the future)
Gun Jesus will take the remaining M2s and turn them into enough M2s to satisfy the masses of collectors . Behold : let there be undocumented surplus discovered ! And it was " niiiccceee ! "
Military museum curator: "this is the Hyde M2 sub machine gun, now only 6 of 400 guns survived these day, so it's a very rare gun indeed". Ian: *fired a hundred rounds from it
Now I feel very fortunate! Back in the 70's, I had the opportunity to "play" with an M2 in the Army. I absolutely loved the SMG! Extremely controllable, easy to get on target, and very accurate for an SMG. But we were told that they were like Unicorns, and we couldn't have more than a cursory test with it. That same SMG is probably in an Army museum now.
Things like the M2 are called "stranded technologies" or something like that. In other words, for a specific technological paradigm, they were the optimal designs possible, but they never had their day because a newer paradigm arose before they could be widely manufactured.
Harold Weaver Smith I don’t know guys.........I’m thinking Ian cleans the crap out of every gun he uses. Maybe, If I was bidding though, I’d ask to get it just like it is.
There's something OFF about this gun as compared to the M1 or M3... The M1 may have had its problems BUT was a favorite of the troops...I keep reading that the troops said the Thompson was "too heavy and inaccurate and prone to malfunction" but every vet I've ever talked to who used it daily had NOTHING BUT PRAISE...same thing goes for the Grease Gun...despite its lack luster appearance...I dont think the M2 is a bad gun i just feel its NOT what the troopers wanted...i could imagine getting a hold of this thing and trading in my Tommy gun and being considerably disappointed that my nice heavy quick firing Thompson was replaced by this unappealing looking contraption that has half the RoF...now I understand that a slow RoF is a good thing but I and many others agree that sub 500 rpm is just a little TOO slow. Remember these things were meant for short range QUICK encounters between this or the PPS I'd personally grab the PPS as it gives the shock factor...
Ian looked like he was having a ball. Do you think he will bid on this during the auction? I hope so, I want to see it in a WW2 subgun video series like the WW1 machinegun series.
The auction house expects it to sell for about 30k to 35k. Current bid is only 15k. So, if you want it, you've got about 17 days to scratch up the money.
I don't know if any SMG could take the place that the M1A1 has in my heart, but this one comes SO damn close. I'd love to see a reproduction run of this one, I would definitely have to pick one up. It'd be a good way for it to finally get the acclaim it deserves! They could release it in semi as well as semi\fa.
After watching both videos and especially seeing how controllable and nice to shoot the M2 is, I'm going to guess the $30-35K estimate on the website is a fair bit under what this gun will finally sell for.
Manufacturing that today would be a snap as sintered metal parts are a mainstay of the auto industry. That and using a resin or ABS stock would make it cost effective now.
It's your excellent rapport, integrity, knowledge and reputation that gets you access to firearms other RUclips presenters can only dream of getting their hands on. Congratulations on your Channel and the accolades you deserve.
Yeah, I fell in love with this gun based on its visuals when I first saw it, but now that Ian has approved that this gun is really nice, I want it even more now.
What a really great weapon! It really stays on target quite nicely in full auto. And it does it without any help from a compensator; that's quite impressive. The only way a M1 Thompson can come close to staying on target in fully auto is with a really great comp on the end, even then it's not great (Just a lot of fun!). I would guess that the "magic" is a result of the weight of the bolt combined with the 570 rpm rate of fire working together to keep muzzle climb down by balancing out the recoil; add the 9lbs 4ozs unloaded weight of the weapon to the mix and you have a fine shootin' iron! It's a shame none were ever issued. But needs dictate. Thank you, Ian for bringing another fine, historical and significant firearm to us. It is always a treat to see you fire a weapon that most of us will never encounter, even those of us with Tax Stamps and FFLs!
That is pretty sweet. Its amazing that some of these old guns are better than some of the newer guns on the market. I'd take that into battle even today.
Beautiful stock wood! You can see the gorgeous grain stripes even on the inside in the previous video. Gotta love a controllable slow chugging sub machine gun!
See, I'm not jealous of your fame, fortune, or dashing silky mane and mustache...... it's the guns you get to shoot.... it's all about the iron and wood man!!! Cool videos btw, I never knew that one existed.
Greetings from Argentina, thanks for give us the chance to see this weapons and the history behind. I think that Ian feels like a child when he have the chance of shooting this forgotten wheapons. Nice video like always!
That's an awesome submachine gun, I love the idea of doing a few things such as using heavy short bolts or longer bolt travel to greatly reduce recoil. That'd probably even be quite relaxing to shoot.
Is there anything you have shot from the period that compares? That barrel line to the top of the stock sure looks more controllable to most other metal stocks of that time, but do you think the bolt design is more what contibutes to the lack of muzzle climb?
Have never fired the M-2, but I have, the Thompson, which has a hell of a muzzle climb. If you run a Thompson, you learn to compensate for the muzzle climb.
God bless you ian! Thank you for bringing back history and some weapons of the era that some might not of even know exsisted, keep up the great work man!!
Well there’s a fantasy I’ll never have come true. It’s okay though, Ian settled a debate I had with someone, it was a better gun, it just wasn’t a better army gun.
No doubt! ...granted, even with its rather exceptional accuracy, I'd still rather have a closed bolt in it if it was going to be used more PCC-like(largely semi-auto) than SMG-like(just leave it on auto, fuck it), but, otherwise, the size and layout of it are rather compelling in the sense of a PCC.
The m2 I always though would have been a great auto rifle I had found some literature in an old marlin manual describing the m2 and the issues they worked through it's sad it never got to see service but as you see it shoots like a marlin steady and on point,and its aiming poi t is spot on to like all Marlins
It looks way more comfortable to use due to it's fully wooden inline stock than the short wire collapsing stock of the grease gun!. Hopefully some company makes a modern version of it in the future!.
Just watched the table review of the M2 before this vid, I had wondered where the M2 was having seem the M1 and M3's. I expect if the M3 hadn't been on the table a bit of tweaking of the M2 would have seen hundreds of thousands produced. Great to see one of so few remaining not in a museum case, but stripped apart and shot by someone able to make a reasoned judgement without hyperbole.
They're all good guns, deserving a chance to come out and play. I'll never be able to attend one of their auctions. Something I can't afford to feed would follow me home.
Nice. I figured it would shoot well. Looks even better than i thought. I bet the gun goes for $100k, or close to it. A semiauto closed bolt 16" carbine version would be a lot of fun (i love my Camp Carbine). Glad it functions after sitting for so many years.
That's pretty cool to see that I was actually right about it being a really good gun to shoot. On your video that you did about it talking about it in detail and showing it off I mentioned how the Wood stock would probably help a lot with making that gun really smooth and not climb at all. I want to buy it can I borrow some money off you guys I promise I'll pay y'all back.
Seems like with many selective-fire / fully automatic guns the most "stable" shooting guns offer either a slow rate of fire (MP 40; Marlin M2; M3 "Grease gun") or a very high rate of fire ( P90; MP7; PPSh-41; CZ Scorpion). That isn't the only factor that contributes to the stability during sustained fire, of course, but the slow / very high R.O.F. seems to have a correlation with high stability in guns; just my observation.
I saw a grease gun with a M60 tanker in '85 at at. Bliss. I thought it looked like a piece of junk and the tanker told me it was inaccurate. I think this would have been a better choice.
Wow, that looks suuuuuper smoooth for an open bolt SMG. I'm guessing though that the low ROF means a slight undergassing of the system. Very diffucult to keep a weapon constantly chugging that slowly as dirt and grime builds up.
I think that any reputable comercial small arms manufacturer would do well to market a reproduction of this SMG. It's obviously not well known, but Ian's videos are getting quite popular...
For Ian to say "this is niiiiiice" about any machine gun, that means something.
I wouldn't be surprised if he put out a bid on this one.
@@Stoney3K
Just remember that there are Only six left in existence and with this level of promotion I forsee a bidding War.
@@worldtraveler930 well lets all dish out a extra buck or two this month to his patreon and make sure he wins this honey! (so we can see more shooting in the future)
Gun Jesus will take the remaining M2s and turn them into enough M2s to satisfy the masses of collectors .
Behold : let there be undocumented surplus discovered !
And it was " niiiccceee ! "
How much do y'all think this will end up going for
"Hey, Ian, want to go bowling?"
"Sure, just let me pick a weapon...."
should go bowling with Hickok45 sometime
That’s how I feel when I literally am going bowling. Have to pick a good carry gun
@@LoneWolf051 And "pot smoking" as well lol.
You'd only go to the Alley twice! The second time would be to apologise and pay for the damage.
One of the few men who got the 7-10 split down
Ian: "This is NIIIICCEE..."
Me: Totally jealous.
Tompson: who are you?
M2: I'm you but "niiiice"
"I'm you, but...better"
Military museum curator: "this is the Hyde M2 sub machine gun, now only 6 of 400 guns survived these day, so it's a very rare gun indeed". Ian: *fired a hundred rounds from it
Now I feel very fortunate! Back in the 70's, I had the opportunity to "play" with an M2 in the Army. I absolutely loved the SMG! Extremely controllable, easy to get on target, and very accurate for an SMG. But we were told that they were like Unicorns, and we couldn't have more than a cursory test with it. That same SMG is probably in an Army museum now.
awesome
Where were you stationed that afforded that opportunity?
It’s probably the same gun that Ian is shooting.
You a fortunate one xd
Things like the M2 are called "stranded technologies" or something like that. In other words, for a specific technological paradigm, they were the optimal designs possible, but they never had their day because a newer paradigm arose before they could be widely manufactured.
And as a free bonus, whoever gets the gun also gets a set of Ian's finger prints for free.....
And maybe even a bit of DNA
Harold Weaver Smith I don’t know guys.........I’m thinking Ian cleans the crap out of every gun he uses. Maybe, If I was bidding though, I’d ask to get it just like it is.
Hahaha as if gun jesus would leave any marks on his children
He's known to have licked one gun...
@@scotthobers8295 And we could clone him.
It gets Ian's big grin of approval!
Must say when you first fired it I was amazed at how level it stayed, shame it never got the chance it deserved.
There's something OFF about this gun as compared to the M1 or M3...
The M1 may have had its problems BUT was a favorite of the troops...I keep reading that the troops said the Thompson was "too heavy and inaccurate and prone to malfunction" but every vet I've ever talked to who used it daily had NOTHING BUT PRAISE...same thing goes for the Grease Gun...despite its lack luster appearance...I dont think the M2 is a bad gun i just feel its NOT what the troopers wanted...i could imagine getting a hold of this thing and trading in my Tommy gun and being considerably disappointed that my nice heavy quick firing Thompson was replaced by this unappealing looking contraption that has half the RoF...now I understand that a slow RoF is a good thing but I and many others agree that sub 500 rpm is just a little TOO slow. Remember these things were meant for short range QUICK encounters between this or the PPS I'd personally grab the PPS as it gives the shock factor...
@@rivjoy that could be...urban and jungle environments are what these guns were great in...
Shame people are infringed pn their roght to have nice thongs like this
Ian looked like he was having a ball. Do you think he will bid on this during the auction? I hope so, I want to see it in a WW2 subgun video series like the WW1 machinegun series.
This might go for an obscene price. Especially after this video, lol.
There's only like 2 or 3 of these things that are transferable. It's going to go for BIG money.
BRB, going buy a powerball ticket so I have some hope of owning that.
The auction house expects it to sell for about 30k to 35k. Current bid is only 15k. So, if you want it, you've got about 17 days to scratch up the money.
If he did, he would have to be in period correct uniform for the M2 and spats for the Thompson.
Yet another time travel in Ian's videos, right in the tomorrow, when that video is supposed to be watched :)
Impressive. Ian's reaction is pretty much like the one he had for the MP5. That says a lot for the M2 I should think. This is a great gun.
I don't know if any SMG could take the place that the M1A1 has in my heart, but this one comes SO damn close. I'd love to see a reproduction run of this one, I would definitely have to pick one up. It'd be a good way for it to finally get the acclaim it deserves! They could release it in semi as well as semi\fa.
After watching both videos and especially seeing how controllable and nice to shoot the M2 is, I'm going to guess the $30-35K estimate on the website is a fair bit under what this gun will finally sell for.
It makes me weirdly happy that it shoots so nicely in addition to being both good looking and mechanically novel.
Manufacturing that today would be a snap as sintered metal parts are a mainstay of the auto industry. That and using a resin or ABS stock would make it cost effective now.
I'm thinking a laminate stock. It would keep some weight there for recoil management as well as being pretty much weather-proof.
People should really reproduce some of these nice weapons so that people today can experience then not everyone's got 14 Grand for a gun LOL
So this is basically an american AK 47?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine ok
@@ethanspaziani5269 It's not at all that simple.
It's incredible how without *this* channel, this sort of thing would never be seen by mortal men. Not in the present anyway.
It's your excellent rapport, integrity, knowledge and reputation that gets you access to firearms other RUclips presenters can only dream of getting their hands on. Congratulations on your Channel and the accolades you deserve.
2:02 watch the little puff come out the barrel from the chambered round displacing the residual smoke lol
Yeah, I fell in love with this gun based on its visuals when I first saw it, but now that Ian has approved that this gun is really nice, I want it even more now.
What a really great weapon! It really stays on target quite nicely in full auto. And it does it without any help from a compensator; that's quite impressive. The only way a M1 Thompson can come close to staying on target in fully auto is with a really great comp on the end, even then it's not great (Just a lot of fun!). I would guess that the "magic" is a result of the weight of the bolt combined with the 570 rpm rate of fire working together to keep muzzle climb down by balancing out the recoil; add the 9lbs 4ozs unloaded weight of the weapon to the mix and you have a fine shootin' iron! It's a shame none were ever issued. But needs dictate. Thank you, Ian for bringing another fine, historical and significant firearm to us. It is always a treat to see you fire a weapon that most of us will never encounter, even those of us with Tax Stamps and FFLs!
Nice, it should have a modern reproduction like that one of the M1 carbine.
From the look of it, an investment cast forward receiver would do the trick, just like on the majority of M1 carbine repros.
Is it weird that I want to see a semi-reproduction version of this with a constant recoil spring group?
There is one semi-auto reproduction(more or less), and a video on it on this very channel.
I just check the video and I think is a private made reproduction not a commercial one.
@@elsoldadomarquez Sounds like it, didn't remember until rewatching it.
Ian: says there are only around 400 made ...
Me: awww he probably wont shoot it.
Ian: shoots gun!
Me: WHAT!?!😆🤣😬
Next time I get a 7-10 split I'll know what to do.
Really cool that you can see the same designer's fingerprints on the M2 and the M3. They look like father and son.
That handsome father had one fugly son. I dread to think what the mother must look like...
@@jameshenderson4876 it was a Sten
At ~2:05 you can see the cartridges moving through the magazine during slow-mo. Very cool machine gun.
That is pretty sweet. Its amazing that some of these old guns are better than some of the newer guns on the market. I'd take that into battle even today.
that plane flying overhead during the first over the shoulder shot is a cozy sound
Perfectly consistent ejection pattern as well. Someone start making these again!
Beautiful stock wood! You can see the gorgeous grain stripes even on the inside in the previous video. Gotta love a controllable slow chugging sub machine gun!
in a parallel universe, an american GI rises his m2 submachinegun in celebration while the american flag waves on top of the reichtag
@WrathMachine Cause they were then surprise surrounded by the Wehrmacht.
@WrathMachine a parallel universe where a brit waves his shitty STEN over the Kremlin with a Union Jack flying, ooooohhhh
@Eye Patch Guy you mean an MP38?
@Eye Patch Guy actually not even close
@Eye Patch Guy substantial difference between the four guns mentioned
THEY ALLOWED YOU TO SHOOT THIS GUN!!!
Yeah i was shouting at my wife "THEY ARE LETTING HIM SHOOT IT, DAMN IT". She didn't really get why I made such a big deal out of it...
See, I'm not jealous of your fame, fortune, or dashing silky mane and mustache...... it's the guns you get to shoot.... it's all about the iron and wood man!!!
Cool videos btw, I never knew that one existed.
Greetings from Argentina, thanks for give us the chance to see this weapons and the history behind. I think that Ian feels like a child when he have the chance of shooting this forgotten wheapons. Nice video like always!
That's an awesome submachine gun, I love the idea of doing a few things such as using heavy short bolts or longer bolt travel to greatly reduce recoil. That'd probably even be quite relaxing to shoot.
This looks so aesthetically nice to me. No perfect, but that's weirdly even better imo.
When Ian Fires a Gun He really likes
This is perfect. Thanks Ian. Great to see a proper Forgotten Weapon that puts a huge smile on your dial.
Is there anything you have shot from the period that compares? That barrel line to the top of the stock sure looks more controllable to most other metal stocks of that time, but do you think the bolt design is more what contibutes to the lack of muzzle climb?
Could we have a smiling-face-while-shooting competition between Mae and Ian?
Have never fired the M-2, but I have, the Thompson, which has a hell of a muzzle climb. If you run a Thompson, you learn to compensate for the muzzle climb.
Watching the shoot video before the history video is like eating dessert first
uploaded ''26th of september'' supposed to go live 5th october yet here we are on the 4th.
Man I wish they had made these as long as they made the Thompson so I could have one. 😂
3:51: an epic ending. Ian, the man, the Legend!
God bless you ian! Thank you for bringing back history and some weapons of the era that some might not of even know exsisted, keep up the great work man!!
I shot this smg one time in my life at range and that's really a good smg, i like the use of punchy .45 and the stability despite that.
Well there’s a fantasy I’ll never have come true. It’s okay though, Ian settled a debate I had with someone, it was a better gun, it just wasn’t a better army gun.
Yeah that sums it up all. But M3 wasnt that bad at all tbh.
That's the key: prototype/limited manufacturing run versus real World, mass manufacturing, mass user base!
I think this fits the definition of "pistol caliber carbine" perfectly.
No doubt!
...granted, even with its rather exceptional accuracy, I'd still rather have a closed bolt in it if it was going to be used more PCC-like(largely semi-auto) than SMG-like(just leave it on auto, fuck it), but, otherwise, the size and layout of it are rather compelling in the sense of a PCC.
Suprized no one has ask if it takes glock magazines yet.
The m2 I always though would have been a great auto rifle I had found some literature in an old marlin manual describing the m2 and the issues they worked through it's sad it never got to see service but as you see it shoots like a marlin steady and on point,and its aiming poi t is spot on to like all Marlins
Thank you. Looks like a smooth shooter
"For reasons outside it's control, it never got adopted". 😭
It's like a Grease gun with wood furniture. Pretty cool.
Very smooth and controllable subgun.
I love it. It looks like something that come out of an alternative history story like Man In the High Castle
It looks way more comfortable to use due to it's fully wooden inline stock than the short wire collapsing stock of the grease gun!. Hopefully some company makes a modern version of it in the future!.
Watching the glee on Firearms Jesus' face as he tags those bowling pins makes this video totally worthwhile.
Awesome! I've been looking forward to this since yesterday's "get to know the M2" video.
I'm flat out in love with this gun.
Ian.....How much did you bid for it?
It would be interesting to get Ian's view on how this gun would have performed, potentially, if it was redesigned for the 9mm cartridge.
...this SMG really looked like something out from Valkyria Chronicles.
It does have that kind of wonky fantasy jrpg gun design
Just watched the table review of the M2 before this vid, I had wondered where the M2 was having seem the M1 and M3's. I expect if the M3 hadn't been on the table a bit of tweaking of the M2 would have seen hundreds of thousands produced.
Great to see one of so few remaining not in a museum case, but stripped apart and shot by someone able to make a reasoned judgement without hyperbole.
Gun Jesus sounded so proud of himself for hitting that bowling pin at the end
The lack of muzzle rise during the 30 rnd mag dump was phenomenal.
Went looking for a video of an M2 firing after watching your other video but couldn't find one... and then you made one! Awesome stuff Ian
Thank God for Morphy.
Also, that mag dump is a really good sound bite.
That thing in nice. Even the stock is BEAUTIFUL.
Is not in
I would love to see a mud test with both this gun, and even the M3 together, in a mud test challenge.
and.. yet another one I'd like to have :) Thanks Ian!
With so few surviving examples this thing is going to go for crazy money.
Man I can’t imagine hand to Hand combat with a grease gun though; having a nice, heavy stock like on the M2 would’ve been waay better
just sharpen the M3's stock beforehand, and use it as a knife. Also doubles as a barbecue fork
@@crodsbye until you have to use it as a shoulder stock lol
@@herrtomkat92 as in sharpen the front prongs of the stock not the buttpiece
@@crodsbye but they don’t protrude that far out, past the barrel I mean, no?
@@herrtomkat92 take it off and use it as a 2-pronged knife
They're all good guns, deserving a chance to come out and play. I'll never be able to attend one of their auctions. Something I can't afford to feed would follow me home.
i love how much you love that gun. keep doing what you do. love it
After seeing this video this convinced me that these need a fucking replica being made. Goddamn that looks like it shoots like a dream.
I think the government should have picked this one.
You're the man, Ian! Have a good day!
Such a shame the production issues stopped this from being adopted. What a beautiful submachine gun!
Nice. I figured it would shoot well. Looks even better than i thought. I bet the gun goes for $100k, or close to it. A semiauto closed bolt 16" carbine version would be a lot of fun (i love my Camp Carbine). Glad it functions after sitting for so many years.
Dumps a 30 round mag, then walks off like a boss... :D
Ian my friend, you sir have one of the best jobs in the world!
That's pretty cool to see that I was actually right about it being a really good gun to shoot. On your video that you did about it talking about it in detail and showing it off I mentioned how the Wood stock would probably help a lot with making that gun really smooth and not climb at all. I want to buy it can I borrow some money off you guys I promise I'll pay y'all back.
Awesome videos Ian keep up the great work
Runs as sweet as it looks
If Hill & Mac ever finish the STGn they can bring back the Marlin M2!
That thing kicks down when he shoots 👍👏👏
That be the best shooting .45ACP SMG that i've ever seen.
Cyclic rate appears perfect!
Seems like with many selective-fire / fully automatic guns the most "stable" shooting guns offer either a slow rate of fire (MP 40; Marlin M2; M3 "Grease gun") or a very high rate of fire ( P90; MP7; PPSh-41; CZ Scorpion). That isn't the only factor that contributes to the stability during sustained fire, of course, but the slow / very high R.O.F. seems to have a correlation with high stability in guns; just my observation.
That thing is awesome as hell
Thanks to that straight line stock, almost no muzzle rise.
Damn steady in the hand
Hey wait a second this isn't meant to be seen yet is it?
time traveller swag
Consider it a miracle by Gun-Jesus.
Too bad i found this today 'cause now I won't have anything to watch tomorrow :(
You can rewatch it
You can always watch some of Ian's older videos, the ones on the Thompson and the M3 would be good accompaniment to this one.
Do like I do and queue up his video on the Grease Gun.
Ian has a fun job.
I'm a simple man, I see Ian happy with a submachine gun - I'm happy with the submachine gun.
I drew this thing once when I was a kid and I didnt know this gun existed. Its the most stereotypical gun-shaped gun ever.
I saw a grease gun with a M60 tanker in '85 at at. Bliss. I thought it looked like a piece of junk and the tanker told me it was inaccurate. I think this would have been a better choice.
Seeing that mag dump and how much fun Ian is having made me giggle like an idiot, this gun looks so fun!
Wow, that looks suuuuuper smoooth for an open bolt SMG.
I'm guessing though that the low ROF means a slight undergassing of the system. Very diffucult to keep a weapon constantly chugging that slowly as dirt and grime builds up.
I think that any reputable comercial small arms manufacturer would do well to market a reproduction of this SMG. It's obviously not well known, but Ian's videos are getting quite popular...