JFL touches on something very important here that many sovereigntists miss. To have any hope of winning more than 50% in a future referendum, you need to convince people that they and their families will actually benefit from an independent Québec.
I mean Legault should be in the LNI (National Improvisation league) by now... Governing by polls and improvising daily, it's incredible how incompetent they've shown themselves to be.
Pretty good discussion. I really enjoy you interviews. And i think that quebec anglos should take a more positive and engage more in the PQ. Lerning french is an asset just as much is learning english. i can switch between both languages any time and I feel much better because I can . I came speaking mainly french and Kabyle, but i leaned english in here. I know how much french is important for the quebecois and I understand it very well. I don't think Quebec would be the same without any of these languages. On peut avoir un pays et faie de ce pays l'un des meilleurs au monde :)
My two sons, trilingual (Born in Quebec, Fluent in French, English speaking), with a third language due to marriage( Filipino, or Korean), are not ever going to vote for independence. My grandson (age 6, in English school) is immersed in French as a strong second language. Grandkids friends are also trilingual (English,French,Spanish) Some families have relocated to Ontario for job opportunities. A referendum will lose, because of the higher unemployment here, and much lower level elsewhere.
There was a comment about immigrants and French. I came from Toronto, and when I arrived, I made a deal at home (wife, kids), for French newspapers, French TV, French Radio, and courses in French for English speakers. After 2 years of partial immersion (using French in shopping, etc), I was listening to a French radio station in the car, when the individual cracked a joke. When I completed laughing, I realized that I had "arrived". We could return to mother tongue at home, and French for French partners. My own experience today, is that most, if not all young people are fluent in both languages. If they approach me in French, I continue in French. Here is an aside information. In the USA, 1 in 5 marriages are mixed race marriages. If I look at Montreal, I believe it is 1 in 20 and within 10 years, may be closer to 1 in 10. Bilingualism/multilingualism will be relevant.
I am a new subscriber now. I love the way this program is led and I love seeing people form both side coming together and take time to listen to one another respectfully. Keep it up! Thank you!
Sugar daddy goals, all three of em. J'adore que vous fassiez le pont entre nos nations et je felicite ces souverainistes pour couvrir ces sujets difficiles en anglais! Belle ouverture
I can't help but think of a child that has to decide what happens when their parents get divorced. Every time I think of Quebec leaving Canada. For the love of God. Please don't leave us with Alberta, please!!
Arron you are awesome. I find it absurd that we are still talking separation. I spen 6 months of the year in Florida, where multi languages are a common thing. No laws to protect their language. Our language laws are so outrageous. There’s no future here for our young English Jewish minorities. It’s not the Canadian dream in Quebec. Look who they have attracted moving forward. Here is the other problem. We need one coalition party to have a common sense government. Look at the last election. Not one have a majority vote. They are all weak in numbers.
il manque seulement Pauline Marois et ils vont avoir fait le tour des souverainistes. Peut-être aussi Lucien Bouchard je ne sais pas si il l'est encore
Il y en a plusieurs encore meilleur que Pauline… Jean-Martin Aussant or Sol Zanetti (both founders of Options nationale) would be amazing guests as the english community responds well to intellectuals. *Trying to be bilingue here
Hey! I'm a separatists, who lived in the west for 10 years. I have nothings again Anglo-Saxon, and i truly believe than even you guys can vote for the Québec's independence 🥳🥳 PS. I like the show🫡
Patriotes was With english people and french poeple for our right and for good… i Hope we will do thé same with The Yess vote … stay strong toguether for the good of our nation in ‘’booth’’ language :P
I respect many of the former and current PQ members. But any referendum that results in a marginal win hovering around 50% is a recipe for disaster and civil unrest. If 80% of Quebecers out of a solid vote count said yes to a clear mandate I would be happy to accept that result. If a government cannot maintain basic infrastructure (roads) then don’t expect paradise on earth post-yes referendum. Another consideration is that acceptance of independence doesn’t occur in a vacuum. If the federal government does a great job Quebecers notice.
80% is delusional. 60% would be ideal. But considering propaganda and fear anglos and allos will remain quite against, which will bring the overall YES results down. To win the francophones will have to be around 65% for the Yes. (as opposed to 60% in 1995) However I do hope we could reach 30-40% allos for the Yes and maybe 20% Anglos for the Yes. That's PSPP's challenge. If this happens then the Yes could win with ``only`` 60% from francophones
@@fs400ion ok. Mais est ce que les routes vont être améliorées après une victoire souverainiste? Deuxièmement, tout ces gens catégorises comme étant des pourcentages sont tous des Québécois.
There is a huge influx of immigrants to Canada and to Quebec. These immigrants are for Canada, because they are also families with children, and they have left countries where they want a Canadian future for their children and themselves. They are also not members of the PQ or CAQ or the Liberals.
No blank check mr.Lisé, especially when it comes to the constitution but either on the budget. You know what though? No more war with my english brothers. 3tongues your late, again.
Je ne sais pas d'où vien ste nouveau mouvement la mais jai demander à 50 personnes de mon facebook et 2 mont repondu Oui à la séparation.... Bizarrement , ils ont 45ans + les 2 ....
Ultimately Quebec sovereignty is a ethnic movement. Way back when, when I was young and a sovereignist myself, we believed in a still better Canada which was fully bilingual and multilingual in fact. Over the years I learned this was not the case for the vast majority. We fundamentally see things differently. The “too much English spoken in Montreal “ argument is a better example. It is never due to anything pure laine people do but always due to others . French Canadian quebecers are not having kids ergo their percentage is dropping…. So it’s the fault of a flow and allos! French Canadians left Montreal for the boonies during Covid 19, I know many, thus the percentage of Francophones has dropped… because they left? nope… because the anglos and allos. The only true solution for Quebec AND Canada is Quebec Sovereignty AND a new 10th province. This allows a French nation to remain on this continent while respecting the history of the many Anglos and Allos, which is nearly as long as that of the French. What JF does not appreciate is that the value of English and French is not the same to a foreigner or even someone in Canada. A Francophone learning English brings immense value to his/her life. Access to many more voices in science, arts, politics and general culture. The same is simply not true for a non Francophone. Those coming here are not coming to Quebec but rather Canada. The only true measure of attractiveness is a sovereign nation. We have been two nations from the start and should simply make it real.
This is what we say these separatists are deceiving, how many of them are walking of the MONTREALS’ S STREET ? We that speak 3 languages, know that in the past 15years French has improved noticeably , everyone included all those that like us lives here ……misinform, disinformation, deceit, …….
J adore votre podcast messieurs ! Keep up the good work. Good questions, never agressive, always interesting. Merci!
JFL touches on something very important here that many sovereigntists miss. To have any hope of winning more than 50% in a future referendum, you need to convince people that they and their families will actually benefit from an independent Québec.
I mean Legault should be in the LNI (National Improvisation league) by now... Governing by polls and improvising daily, it's incredible how incompetent they've shown themselves to be.
Pretty good discussion. I really enjoy you interviews. And i think that quebec anglos should take a more positive and engage more in the PQ. Lerning french is an asset just as much is learning english. i can switch between both languages any time and I feel much better because I can . I came speaking mainly french and Kabyle, but i leaned english in here. I know how much french is important for the quebecois and I understand it very well. I don't think Quebec would be the same without any of these languages. On peut avoir un pays et faie de ce pays l'un des meilleurs au monde :)
My two sons, trilingual (Born in Quebec, Fluent in French, English speaking), with a third language due to marriage( Filipino, or Korean), are not ever going to vote for independence. My grandson (age 6, in English school) is immersed in French as a strong second language. Grandkids friends are also trilingual (English,French,Spanish)
Some families have relocated to Ontario for job opportunities. A referendum will lose, because of the higher unemployment here, and much lower level elsewhere.
@@lsatenstein the taux de chomage is at 5.7 in ontario and 4.7 in Québec... sooooooo, higher unemployment where again? Bonne journée là!
@@lsatenstein Straight up wrong facts
There was a comment about immigrants and French. I came from Toronto, and when I arrived, I made a deal at home (wife, kids), for French newspapers, French TV, French Radio, and courses in French for English speakers.
After 2 years of partial immersion (using French in shopping, etc), I was listening to a French radio station in the car, when the individual cracked a joke. When I completed laughing, I realized that I had "arrived". We could return to mother tongue at home, and French for French partners.
My own experience today, is that most, if not all young people are fluent in both languages. If they approach me in French, I continue in French.
Here is an aside information.
In the USA, 1 in 5 marriages are mixed race marriages. If I look at Montreal, I believe it is 1 in 20 and within 10 years,
may be closer to 1 in 10. Bilingualism/multilingualism will be relevant.
That was a great idea! Glad you made that decision! Merci de vous intéresser à notre langue et notre culture et d'y prendre part!
@@dez7800Heureusement ou malheureusement, 2/3 de mes enfants ont retournés à Toronto. La raison "Respect mutuel a/f, et mariage.(grin).
Nous vaincrons.
1970 called, it wants you back.
oui et avec tout le monde
I am a new subscriber now. I love the way this program is led and I love seeing people form both side coming together and take time to listen to one another respectfully. Keep it up! Thank you!
GO forward toguether . The statue quo are not good for our people.
La souveraineté s'en viens! Enfin! J'ai tellement hate!
Sugar daddy goals, all three of em. J'adore que vous fassiez le pont entre nos nations et je felicite ces souverainistes pour couvrir ces sujets difficiles en anglais! Belle ouverture
Nice talk! :) Keep it up :)
I can't help but think of a child that has to decide what happens when their parents get divorced. Every time I think of Quebec leaving Canada. For the love of God. Please don't leave us with Alberta, please!!
It also reminds me of Brexit
Excellent podcast. We want more ! :)
Arron you are awesome. I find it absurd that we are still talking separation. I spen 6 months of the year in Florida, where multi languages are a common thing. No laws to protect their language. Our language laws are so outrageous. There’s no future here for our young English Jewish minorities. It’s not the Canadian dream in Quebec. Look who they have attracted moving forward. Here is the other problem. We need one coalition party to have a common sense government. Look at the last election. Not one have a majority vote. They are all weak in numbers.
I like him (JFL) in general but why are Anglos, seeking his approval for how French the Anglo's have gotten over time?
DEHORS la CAQ tabernacle!
il manque seulement Pauline Marois et ils vont avoir fait le tour des souverainistes. Peut-être aussi Lucien Bouchard je ne sais pas si il l'est encore
Il y en a plusieurs encore meilleur que Pauline… Jean-Martin Aussant or Sol Zanetti (both founders of Options nationale) would be amazing guests as the english community responds well to intellectuals.
*Trying to be bilingue here
@@rogerMoquin André Boisclair aussi 😛
Hey! I'm a separatists, who lived in the west for 10 years. I have nothings again Anglo-Saxon, and i truly believe than even you guys can vote for the Québec's independence 🥳🥳
PS. I like the show🫡
Patriotes was With english people and french poeple for our right and for good… i Hope we will do thé same with The Yess vote … stay strong toguether for the good of our nation in ‘’booth’’ language :P
C'est bien parti. Quelle déception.
déception ?
I respect many of the former and current PQ members. But any referendum that results in a marginal win hovering around 50% is a recipe for disaster and civil unrest. If 80% of Quebecers out of a solid vote count said yes to a clear mandate I would be happy to accept that result. If a government cannot maintain basic infrastructure (roads) then don’t expect paradise on earth post-yes referendum. Another consideration is that acceptance of independence doesn’t occur in a vacuum. If the federal government does a great job Quebecers notice.
80% is delusional. 60% would be ideal. But considering propaganda and fear anglos and allos will remain quite against, which will bring the overall YES results down. To win the francophones will have to be around 65% for the Yes. (as opposed to 60% in 1995) However I do hope we could reach 30-40% allos for the Yes and maybe 20% Anglos for the Yes. That's PSPP's challenge. If this happens then the Yes could win with ``only`` 60% from francophones
@@fs400ion ok. Mais est ce que les routes vont être améliorées après une victoire souverainiste? Deuxièmement, tout ces gens catégorises comme étant des pourcentages sont tous des Québécois.
Quebec is a province of Canada.
@@Canadianpatriot2024 Yeah the point is specifically to change that.
@@fs400ion nothing will change
There is a huge influx of immigrants to Canada and to Quebec. These immigrants are for Canada, because they are also families with children, and they have left countries where they want a Canadian future for their children and themselves.
They are also not members of the PQ or CAQ or the Liberals.
No blank check mr.Lisé, especially when it comes to the constitution but either on the budget.
You know what though? No more war with my english brothers. 3tongues your late, again.
Assimilation tranquille!
Stand up or be gone
Oui! Je peux parler dans ma deuxieme langue, le Francais! As-tu ton troisieme?
Je ne sais pas d'où vien ste nouveau mouvement la mais jai demander à 50 personnes de mon facebook et 2 mont repondu Oui à la séparation....
Bizarrement , ils ont 45ans + les 2 ....
Ultimately Quebec sovereignty is a ethnic movement. Way back when, when I was young and a sovereignist myself, we believed in a still better Canada which was fully bilingual and multilingual in fact. Over the years I learned this was not the case for the vast majority.
We fundamentally see things differently.
The “too much English spoken in Montreal “ argument is a better example. It is never due to anything pure laine people do but always due to others .
French Canadian quebecers are not having kids ergo their percentage is dropping…. So it’s the fault of a flow and allos!
French Canadians left Montreal for the boonies during Covid 19, I know many, thus the percentage of Francophones has dropped… because they left? nope… because the anglos and allos.
The only true solution for Quebec AND Canada is Quebec Sovereignty AND a new 10th province. This allows a French nation to remain on this continent while respecting the history of the many Anglos and Allos, which is nearly as long as that of the French.
What JF does not appreciate is that the value of English and French is not the same to a foreigner or even someone in Canada.
A Francophone learning English brings immense value to his/her life. Access to many more voices in science, arts, politics and general culture.
The same is simply not true for a non Francophone.
Those coming here are not coming to Quebec but rather Canada. The only true measure of attractiveness is a sovereign nation. We have been two nations from the start and should simply make it real.
More BS from Quebec.
Dit celle qui dit continuellement de la BS
This is what we say these separatists are deceiving, how many of them are walking of the MONTREALS’ S STREET ? We that speak 3 languages, know that in the past 15years French has improved noticeably , everyone included all those that like us lives here ……misinform, disinformation, deceit, …….
It's really the statistics. Personal experience aren't enough.
@@fs400ionthis is such a problem, people think that their immediate environement reflects the whole city