Can you color match 2 or multiple different displays and should you?
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2020
- Can you match multiple displays in a calibration, the answer is not quite as simple. The short answer is that it could be done, but the reality is that it is extremely difficult as I will outline and share in this video. The only program that has the function for this, that is easily attained is Spyder Elite software, other calibration program does not even offer up this function that is because this act pushes the icc profile to the limit which can cause digital posterization, crush white or black, banding and etc. This video will also give advise on what to do in this situation as well.
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Wow... This make so much sense, but I didn't realise it before. Thanks a lot, I'll now optimise the monitors individually instead of trying to match them.
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Thanks Art! You're the best!
You're welcome
thank you so much for your so professional explanation.
You're very welcome!
Great video, Art! Thanks
My pleasure!
Thank you for your insights into this tricky matter. Apart from the reasons you mentioned, I guess it is also helpful to think about color spaces used. For example, correct me if I am wrong, the MacBook Pro 16" display is optimized for P3 while the BenQ 270c for Adobe RGB. So depending on your output color space you might even want to have two separately calibrated displays. As one performs better than the other in the respective color space. I have both and there certainly is a difference in the color gamut of the channels.
You have the right idea!
Great videos, thank you
You're welcome
👍 all doubts clear
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Thanks for this info
Any time
Awesome & Thanks :)
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Thanks, Art! Always useful info!
You're welcome
great video.. my monitor is low bright and i had the red and green color to zero and blue to 100
Thanks!
Another GREAT video!
If you allow me one question please.
From your experience, which display do you choose for color grading using Davinci Resolve? The PD3220U or the SW321C?
Thanks in advance
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Either one will do really they both can do REC 709 really well. If you want want to venture into HDR at some point SW321C might be better because it supports HDR10 and HLG but HDR comes with a lot of caveat for editing. I made a video not that as well ruclips.net/video/0lurRq1iGPA/видео.html
Hi, thanks for the video, is there any real point in doing the manual RGB adjustment directly on the screen using the software? Is it in addition to a calibration? Or is it two separate things? Because on some screen review sites, you can see that the post-calibration tests show an ICC profile + a modified RGB setting in the OSD of the screen. By the way, you enabled it in your video but in the end you didn't make the adjustment?
This is to demo the idea only, you can follow this guide, ruclips.net/video/kSGVS3pSxV8/видео.html for Pro display, you don't really have to do this. For non pro / gaming / entertainment display, RGB many times yield better results but that is not a given either. Always best to test. Also I am unable to comment on the site, but if one should RGB adjust it has to be part of the calibration process. Since most of the pro displays are calibrated the proper color mode already, it probably won't make too much difference, aka, I don't do it on BenQ PD line displays that I use and test.
I am watching this video because my monitor (an LG ultrawide screen) renders a colder color to my Omen Laptop which leans more towards a greenish tint. When I view the same content on my phone (which is the final destination of the content), it matches my laptop more closely. From what you said, the conclusion is to leave things as is but I'm not sure that solves my issue.
Leaving it as it does not really solve your issue per say but there's very little that you can do to change the color output on the LG. You can try to calibrate it but still it won't match laptop or phone.
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I just received two Dell UP2720Q monitors, they both come with a built in Calman color calibrator, but one has much more warmer whites even after hardware calibration. If i buy the Calman for Dell software to generate an ICC profile will that fix it or would you say there is something wrong with the panels in these monitors?
I'm not sure if it would fix the issue or not. A lot of what you see is heavily influenced by factory calibration. I would give it a try.
Hello there can the colochecker display plus work on viewsonic monitor connected to MacBook Pro m2 max .?
Should but I would check compatibility with Viewsonic software on their website. As far as connected on the M2 MAX, OEM software would work but requirer an upgrade which is coming soon to bring compatibility with M2 PRO/MAX.
I have been talking to many PC builder youtubers and they recommend not to use Corsair iCUE software for Controlling PC RGB LED light. It's effecting Hardware Monitor Calibration in BenQ SW monitors. iCUE software has this display RGB light control SDK thing (it's for gaming monitor with RGB lighting like Asus). I use Ashampoo Uninstaller Pro to completely remove it from drive and registry. Also double check registry in PC with Corsair / iCUE leftover (just deleting it). Corsair build pc will definitely face this issue. Now everything is fine after ASUS Aura is default.
Good to know
Can you please do one with a standard monitor to a macbook? Currently using Samsung lu28r550uqnxza to newest macbook pro and having lots of issues and can't find answers online.
If you are talking about color matching, regular or higher end monitor, the short answer is that it can't really be done for the reason outline in this video. Higher end display color will come closer but still won't fully 100% match.
Hi Art! I have a Benq sw271c. I noticed my Benq monitor color profile does not match match my MacBook color profile. What should profile should be on the mac?
The will never match, everything has to be independent. So the profile on the Mac is either the default one or if you custom calibrated, then it would be the custom one.
Thank you, Art!
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Thank you for this video! I have a question, how do you connect two SW271 to one 16" MacBook Pro laptop?
2 USB C to USB C, calibrating 1 at a time ruclips.net/video/Rxsr8QWBRMw/видео.html
@@ArtIsRight thank you! What about using Thunderbolt 3 docking station?
Should be fine too, I would test calibrate it and if it does not pass then I would eliminate the dock, but it should be fine otherwise.
@@ArtIsRight yes, I’ll calibrate them separately and connect each one directly to my MacBook, then I connect both to the dock after calibration.
Sounds like a good plan!
You're such an amazing source and I'd like to ask you a question. I am trying to color match my 2 Dell monitors that are hooked up to my Gateway laptop using Windows 11. My problem is the 2 Dell monitors are the exact same model and are new but one color is richer than the other Dell monitor. How can I color match my 2 Dell monitors using my Gateway laptop which operates in Windows 11? Thank you in advance, Art.
There are lots variables there. First are the from the same batch of manufacturing? This would be difficult to pin point, however, you might be able to look at the tag on the back and may get an idea for this. i.e. manufacture in the same month/year. Buying 2 of them at the same time is not good enough, batches / inventory can mismatch. That would be the 1st question. I would then check are they running on the same color mode and are the settings similar. Then I would look at the connection that you are using. You mentioned laptop, so chances are one is connected via HDMI and the other is something else. This is one of the key item as well, you want to use the same type of connector, one thing to note is that USB C uses Display Port Overlay and will output signal similar to Display Port, full or mini. HDMI on the other hand can be problematic. So I would start by checking these.
@@ArtIsRight They were both purchased together and I purchased an hdmi splitter at Best buy so that they both could be connected to the laptop but just via the splitter. How would I check to see if they are both are running on the same color mode. I can't seem to figure out where to go to check settings for each monitor separately. Can you tell me how to do that and just maybe I can adjust it that way.
I would look through the display menu, there should be an option to choose color, that is the color mode.
I have two identical Samsung monitors side-by-side and can not get them even close to being the same profile! One has whites that are distinctly grey.
That is a tough one, it is probably the fact that the backlight age differently between the two
If i calibrated my 2nd monitor with "DataColor Spyder X PRO" with main macbook pro. when i remove macbook and switch to pc, does still remain the callibrated setting of 2nd monitor?
software calibration icc profile remains with the computer, the display just show the signal. Icc profile can be interchangeable between Mac and PC but it is advised against it because the OS and driver handle the graphic layer differently.
@@ArtIsRight oh. i found out 2nd monitor can be calibrated using macbook pro to match it up. somehow it is not bad.
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I bought two same displays but they little different between the two.
What displays are they, make and model? Most of the time this is something to be expected, with less variations at the higher end.
Hi thanks for video, I am fashion photographer and I have question. I have new macbook 13 m1 and benq sw270c 2k monitor. I know benq has hardware calibration and best but when I do retouching I need maching colors with my macbook pro. And I use sRGB profile in benq minitor because all my customer use macbook and see my photos in macbook so important is my main referans screen macbook pro not benq, when I try matching always mybook colors my bright and more light. What is your suggestion to Maching my benq to my macbook pro. Thanks
At this point in time M1 displays can't be calibrated, watch ruclips.net/video/KXIKRLLVCw4/видео.html & ruclips.net/video/NVi0YdAB2M0/видео.html But with this said there are a few incorrect assumptions and misunderstanding that I like to clear up before we have this conversation. 1. All Apple Displays are calibrated with DCI-P3 color gamut, as far as percentage coverage we don't really know because Apple really don't publish this number. None of Apple displays are sRGB. Apple DCI-P3 Calibration is a tweaked DCI-P3 and not strictly along the gamut specification. If you want to match the uncalibrated Macbook Pro then M-Book color mode is the one you want to use. If you want to match a calibrated MacBook Pro then I would use DCI-P3 as the RGB Primary in PME, although this won't really match entirely either. Because PME uses standard DCI-P3 gamut spec in calibration and not the tweaked one that Apple uses. I think to assume that most of your client have a Macbook and view strictly on MacBook, is an assumption that only you can make but I feel that is narrow in scope and create lots of assumption. Reason being is that because if your client have True Tone enable on their MacBook then the color would be totally different. If you calibrate your Macbook then the color you see would be different from that of your clients machine. This and not to mentioned the brightness setting, which the important question here is, what value are you using for this?, because at each brightness level color rendition and perception changes, not choosing a fixed value is the worse thing that you can do. Color workflow is about managing what you have, own and control and letting go of what you cannot control that is other people screens & displays. If this is your workflow, I would encourage you to retouch on BenQ and color correct on MacBook displays , which, personally, I feel limit the potential of your work. And if this is your workflow then I would forgo calibration all together, because in your specific scenario, calibration will offer you no benefit at all, in fact it can be a detriment.
@@ArtIsRight super thanks
@@ArtIsRight hi again today i read your messeges but i was drive my car so i just say thanks. sorry for this. now i read all again so thank for very profesional answer. i think best one is do all retouching in benq and last color correction i will do my macbook pro m1. i like your video and your simple explanation for all think. so thanks again. i am fasion photgrapher in istanbul if any time visit istanbul i like to meet you. my instagram :@eyupdevrankutlu. thanks again...for all
No worries, glad I could help out! And yes if I am headed your way I'll reach out!
Hey I have a one monitor set up with my laptop
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If I use two exact the same monitors on my pc, should the color be exactly the same?
I'm asking because I have two Asus displays but they differ one from another and I don't understand why.
Not necessary. If they are manufactured at the same time there's a better matching possibility but for the most part each display are their own which is why custom calibration help.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks a lot. Does that mean that, if I callibrate both monitors seperatly they should match perfect?
They are calibrated independently and they will come close but probably won't fully match.
Hi! What about a scenario with two same model monitors? I'm trying to calibrate them and they come very close, but not identical, should it be like that?
In many instances yes, what make and models, how are you calibrating them, what device are you using?
@@ArtIsRight they are Dell P2419H (about 3 years old) and I'm calibrating them with brand new ColorCheckerPro with CCProfiler of course, I think I'm doing it ok, I sdjust contrast, brightness and RGB manually, I use the large patch colors and I get the monitors pretty close, not identical though
Sounds about right, that is all you are going to be able to push it
@@ArtIsRight Ok, that's a bit surprising because I expected it to be able to get exactly right on the same monitor, but this is good to know, thank you for your answer.
You can come really close but not right on. Most LCD are not calibrated for consistency from the factory. This is something that BenQ implemented in their SW line, where consistency is going to come much closer. But that is more calibrate and most manufactures will not spend that much time and money rigorously calibrating the display.
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That is a clever way to do this! I'm going to use this method :D
your mac is shiny..how is that?
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Why is the conversation not on just 2 monitors, rather than the unlikely scenario of laptop to monitor?
It is not as unlikely as you might thing, perhaps for you but on the contrary to others. Also this applies to the 2 different models of stand alone monitors as well, the concept are similar but some extrapolation is required.
what about content creators?? how they can provide same colors to their whole audience???
Can't just have to know that you are editing to a good reference and the rest is what it is.
Hi Art my new SW240 display gives a greenish grey n white and other normal lcd screen connected to same PC shows proper white and print matches the other monitor by default setting of printer (Kodak 305 Thermal) though i hv file shot on raw exported Adobe RGB, working profile Adobe RGB and printed as Photoshop manages color mode. Note hv calibrated the both monitors one with PME and other with SpyderX calibration software. (PME - D65 90 Candila, achieved 6505K and delta E max of 0.94
That is the base color of the LCD.
@@ArtIsRight but then the print is different from calibrated monitor, now what to refer, a hardware calibrated monitor or a LCD monitor.. coz print matches LCD
Try to do a double calibration, where you calibrate SW240 with PME and then using the same hardware calibration slot run Spyder X software on top of that and use Spyder X icc, see if that works.
@@ArtIsRight what if that screws up all, can it be reverted...
Just change the icc profile back to the pme generated one
But much darker for example it is redee then the other
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I’ve been trying to do a match calibration with Asus UX510UX laptop to BenQ BL2024PT but I’m really disappointed I really thought I could get sort of similar colors but are completely off and the BenQ is overly saturated. At this point I’m not even sure I should keep the monitor. It’s just going to steal more time while I’m editing.
As stated in the video this is difficult to do, different brand different display especially a laptop and external. Are you using i1Profiler? Also the displays models that you mentioned are more middle of the road for office work.
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my laptop display color and its secondary monitor display color not same....
That is to be expected. Calibrate your display, determines which is better for what you do. In general external displays are better than laptop build in unless you have a really cheap display. And watch this ruclips.net/video/REGRfFdLYFM/видео.html Just know that they will never match 100%, you can try but should not for many reason.
@@ArtIsRight my external monitor is DEL, laptop is HP Comcpaq....i did display calibation, but it can't be matched,DELL LED monitor has Preset Display mode such as Warm,Cool,Standard,Multimedia,Text, and Custom but My laptop doesn't.....
I would use the dell external as the primary.
@@ArtIsRight thank you for your response....
BenQ's hardware calibration is useless, There are no uniformity at all after calibration.I tried two SW271s Both have bad uniformity after calibration. I asked BenQ then the BenQ engineer at the factory(Suzhou,China) told me that is no uniformity management outside of the sRGB and AdobeRGB mode. soo weird which is basically means I can not use hardware calibration. Have you encountered similar problem?
Are you referring to panel brightness uniformity? SW271 is not that has uniformity version 2. In my testing I found the uniformity acceptable. Just because it is not fully uniform doesn't make it useless. How are you measuring uniformity? What is the brightness ∆e in a grid of 9?
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for your answer. I mean the brightness and colour uniformity. Uniformity outside of the sRGB and AdobeRGB mode(including calibration1,2and3) is soo bad I can see with naked eye, like the right side is greenish and left side is reddish, only the position that colorimeter place is consistent with calibration result. Maximum brightness difference from corner to center can reach 20-25cd when the calibration is 120. I don't have detailed data because I returned that monitor. Color ∆E at corner maybe 5-10.
If you are seeing it that strongly, it sounds like you have a defective panel, this is something that I have seen before. I would recommend that you contact BenQ for warranty support. Uniformity like I said is not as good as Uniformity V2 but my unit is not close to what you have described.
@@ArtIsRight Yeah, they gave me a new one that time, similar performance. So they asked engineer, engineer told me the design is like this, very normal, they only do uniformity calibration for sRGB and Adobe RGB. other mode? just like straight out from LG's panel factory, no control at all. Is this really normal?
If you are seeing shift like that it sounds like a defect. I'm unable to comment on your interaction with the engineer and the claims that they may have told you.
When I play l4d2 the game is brighter on my laptop
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Making everything look orange
not really understanding your question.
@@ArtIsRight what I mean is i have a game called l4d2 and its brightness is normal on my laptop but when i connected the monitor to m laptop i thought they were automatically synced to be the same level of brightness but instead i have all these settings colours, contrast, HDMI black level settings that just make it all confusing, So i just took a fiddle at the settings and i feel like i made it worse instead of it being dark it turned into red?? I just want it to match with my laptop.
Brightness and color info are not usually synced at the hardware level. All of the crazy color that you are getting stem for HDMI as well. You just have to tweak the display setting, to get the color right.
You totally miss the fact the some people could have a high end laptop that has a factory color calibrated panel, paired with older cheap monitors. My laptop display is much higher quality than my monitors, as I have not had the budget to get a good monitor. I don't really need a good monitor either they are just for extra screen space
Good for you, this is one of those rare the other way around cases. And as good as laptop displays are, even the high end specs one there, are always some compromise here and there. One thing that no laptop has is hardware calibration.
I've this same issue
like i get that its a better monitor but my computer cant use all of its capability, so please just tell mw how to make the screen match my rink dink display
Calibrate them individually, don't expect a match, that is all you can do.
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🧐 good question
soooo there's no point. lol
You get the idea but there are so many misconception and misunderstand out there.
Pointless
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I'm sorry, but you solved nothing in your video.
You missed the point. The point of the video is to educate creatives on the issue so that they stop going down the rabbit hole wasting their time what physically can't be done. So that they get back to being creatives and not over think this all of the time.