do you REALLY need to calibrate your monitor?
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In this video I attempt to color calibrate my monitor using the new datacolor SpyderX Elite.
I'm looking at your calibrated monitor on my uncalibrated monitor.
How meta
@GameingUboxings+ Aww, did I hurt your insecurity? Enjoy watching Fast and Furious vs the Fourth Reich.
I watched it on the same Dell U2718Q monitor he calibrates. Now I need mine calibrated.
So the tree *would* make a sound.
haha.... that's what I never understood about calibrating a monitor, so great, it looks calibrated for you maybe, but then it's sent to someone else, or printed using a print shop who's monitor is calibrated differently. It seems totally pointless. I could see this being a thing 20 year ago when monitors looked like shit, but screens now are so bomb looking for almost everything, either Samsung or Apple, that calibrating seems redundant.
If you print that image now it still might look different. You need to calibrate your printer aswell
And then your eyes. Just to be absolutely sure.
Calibrate EVERYTHING
Don’t forget to calibrate the calibrator
Different profiles for different papers through different printers.
Fstoppers who calibrates the calibrator calibrator to know that it’s the correct calibration to be calibrating the calibrator
I swear by Spyder products. Changed my color correction life! Seriously It is one of the first things I do when I get a new screen.
Tfw you calibrate your monitor for the very first time and then realize all these endless hours of staring at your screen have been a complete lie.
Do you recommend calibrating MacBook pros? I have a MacBook pro late 2015, and I hear mixed opinions on whether they need calibrating or not. Might be a good idea since it's a older now.
@@joselara4392 actually, macbooks are really bad in this. check some more detailed reviews, which are not that brand based. calibrating (and they are off from the factory) imacs is a mess.
I love that I was watching a monitor being calibrated but the music told me we were bringing the ring to Mordor.
I'm genuinely impressed that you managed to brick a PC with monitor calibration. That's amazing.
Even WinXP had monitor calibration profiles, all you had to do was reset it to the default.
I miss XP. Free tools and all.....
@@SuperEddietv he has the right to mislead the masses ...some companies need to sell stuff..give the guy a break..we are just idiots using our brains
You said that exact same thing about another RUclipsr. Do you go around posting the same comment for a bunch of different people?
@@jameschandler4276 hahaha so busted! :p
all versions of windows do pretty sure all you have to do is reinstall the graphics driver
Man I feel your pain from your first scenario! Color Management is a very daunting subject to fully understand.
A few pro-tips:
Your image will look the same in any application that is color managed and/or uses the ICC color profiles that gets embedded with your image (sRBG, Adobe RGB, P3, etc). Always embedded your color profiles to you images when exporting from Photoshop or other applications. If you have a high gamut monitor (ie: Adobe RGB, P3, etc) don’t use Windows default photo viewer, it is not color managed and won’t use the embedded ICC color profiles from your image (your image will look over saturated), you might not notice this if your monitor is not high gamut. As of now Chrome, Firefox, Safari all support ICC color profiles from images so they’ll look the same in those browsers. Some services (ie: LinkedIn, I believe Twitter as well) will strip out the ICC profile from your images, which is why you might see them differently when uploaded. Facebook coverts your ICC profile to their own version of sRGB, so for the most part they’ll hold up color wise to how they looked.
Not many people understand color profiles, photography has become so easy that people simply have less and less skills.
which image viewers should be used then?
@@piyush.ochani bridge i think is free
What about about clients that barely can use computers? Should I offer photography and monitor calibration service too so they can see pictures as I intended?
@@piyush.ochani I use Bridge. If you have an Adobe CC subscription or older versions of CS you can use that. If you have the Adobe Photography Plan, many other's use Lightroom.
There are a few other alternative photo viewers outside Adobe as well that might work well. I haven't personally had any experience with them.
This is like watching ads for 4K TV's on your HD TV and being impressed at how good the image quality is.
Could be legit if bitrate is higher.Maybe commercial is higher bitrate than regular scheduled content. Or could be uncompressed 4.4.4?
@@davidjohansson1416 no way. u need 300 MB/s (megaBYTES per second) for 1080p60 uncompressed video.
okey@@andrejrockshox
BTW, while at the end Windows Photo Viewer was color calibrated, the current "Photos" in Windows 10 (go check, windows update has deleted your Photo Viewer and you just have Photos now) is not color calibrated. I use a free calibrated viewer called FastPictureViewer.
There is a way to add "photo viewer" back to windows 10. But you are right, the photos app in windows 10 does not abide to color calibration.
Welcome to iso gamut calibrated monitor. I work in print and this is actually more important than people think.
It's extremely important when the designer(s) or photographers will try to make their designs or photos look good to their eye. If you're a photographer stuck with an uncalibrated monitor, you can also just try to give the photos the best possible dynamic range and then match a known color via numbers. That's why they used to use those 18% gray cards (because good monitors were extremely rare). Take a picture of the card with a known 18% gray and then adjust the photo color so that card reads 18% gray by numbers, and the rest of the photo will be good. So you can get pretty far with just the numbers, and your calibrated monitor should not be causing you to clip any part of the spectrum. I work in print and I've seen some horror stories; i.e the designer works out of his basement with a yellow incandescent light and tries to visually match colors on his 8-year-old CRT monitor to the prints he's holding in his hand.
Wait... a professional photographer that doesn’t do color management? 😳🥺
idk man... i don't think it's needed too much. Like every screen and device has it's own colour management. Just consider many phones have auto brightness, blue filter and apple's true tone all kinda throws colours to wack. Even with printing, if you use one screen all the time you can estimate and use test prints contact sheets with different settings to get to that decent print. IMO screen calibration is worth it if you collaborate works with other people or work with multiple screens.
wakojako49 If it works for you and you are satisfied, by all means keep on doing it. I do feel inclined to reply tho in case someone else read this.
Devices might have different settings, yes. Even if they have the same settings every device is unique. On top of that every device is operated in it’s unique environment. This is an argument for - not against - using color management and standards.
If your intent is to publish on social media and your target audience are laymen the impact might be small, yes. But if your intent is either different or wider and/or your target audience is professional than it makes a very big difference. For instance there is no chance an art director would hire someone for final art that doesn’t showcase it in his or her own material.
Using the same devices on a daily basis one gets used to them and learn to predict their output, yes. But doing color management and following standards is done with that purpose: Better estimation. Test prints needs to be done anyway but hopefully only once. Doing them again and again will get very expensive quickly. And doing it by yourself is only possible if you actually have access to the equipment - that exact printer - which simply won’t be the case in a professional setting.
All business is collaboration, it includes at least two parties. In a photographical setting this is at least the photographer and the client. If you as a photographer do it in your own time for your own sake then color management isn’t necessary. But that isn’t professional photography.
Gustaf Jarnling gustaf if you are not printing and got retina , why not? :)
Jan Klimek Once again if it works for you under certain circumstances then by all means.
In a professional setting, which is the context here, this is not the case. If nothing else simply because you don’t treat either your customer or their target audience with the respect a business agreement deserves, ie making sure you deliver the best result possible regardless of the recipient.
@@gjarnling Yeah that's wrong. The industry doesn't give a damn about calibration until it comes time to output reliable prints for advertising.
Desktop and Laptop displays right out of the box are set up for gaming or browsing web pages. Calibrating your monitor is only relevant for local prints or sending prints to a lab.
Also, the various Windows picture apps can screw with image displays. Also, the calibration stays with the video card, not the monitor.
not necessarily. Some monitors can be calibrated directly into their LUT system.
If you're editing, use the right tool for the job. I have a Eizo monitor, I sure hope it's not calibrated for gaming.
No. If I use my eyes to edit in Lightroom on one of my laptops, then export .jpg to my Samsung S9, the images look way too saturated. I realize that different phone screens are different. But if I am editing to upload to Instagram, I want my laptop screen to be calibrated to some sort of standard that gives my images the best shot to look the best on the most phones.
@@mrcraggle Right out of the box, it probably is. That's what Lee was referring too the bright, blue tones of the OEM settings.
No it's most relevant for good accurate photo editing.
"I can't believe technology has improved in the last 10 years"
That's my university with 15 years old software and they still think technogoly didn't improve.
You know, when you change or remove words from a quote, it's not a quote anymore. That's not what he said.
"I can't believe it, it actually worked! Technology..."
Fstoppers...i wished you woulda...Printed something. Just to see if the picture was as bright/dark as on your screen.
i doubt it. he would need to calibrate printer too. and there is RGB vs CMYK gammut problem...
We don't typically view photos through backlight.
SpiderX and Xrite are the industry standards, both really good, I use Xrite, but would be equally comfortable with the spiderX...
Calibrating the monitor is only the first step, you also need to calibrate your printer and create a calibrated colour profile for each of your cameras, and if you want to be really accurate, you should create a camera profile each time you change lighting conditions....
I would recommend to have a calibrated set up, not only for printing, but for anyone doing commercial photography, being products, fashion, or anything else as a matter of fact, it will eliminate any disputes, and will make sure that any external third party using the pictures will have a product fit for purpose and as close to reality as technologically possible...
Now that you calibrated the monitor, you need to set the calibrated profile in Photoshop under the Edit Tab=>Color Settings=>Working spaces - RGB. Also, if you want to print out the images, try to ask the printer what color profile they are using, and you should set the same color profile in Photoshop for the CMYK workspace. Otherwise, you may end with a much worse printed image. I had to do this at my job (a digital printing company) to ensure that all the colors are matched from the computer monitors to the printed image.
@Fstoppers
if you want to do a service to society please go through the following test: Using your newly calibrated Windows PC monitor, enter an online service lice Canva, one that allows you to generate colors and gives you their hex codes. Create a design, press print screen and paste into photoshop or any other similar application. Then check the hex code of the resulting image. You will notice they are different (in fact the colours will be noticeably different). If you delete the color profile your calibrator creates via Windows Color Management (ask cortana), the hex codes will match. IS THERE A WAY TO USE A CALIBRATED MONITOR AND HAVE AN ACCURATE PRINT SCREEN FUNCTION?
"i hope windows 10 has improved..."
No it hasn't. The default windows photos app is still not color managed ie it ignores the color profiles embedded in the photo. I've switched to Adobe bridge as my primary photo viewer. Chrome, Facebook, Instagram etc are color managed but they convert images to srgb which is the internet standard. Also the internet standard white balance is 6500K so calibrating the display to 6500K is crucial.
Hi, I was thinking the same, because when I calibrate my computer with built-in Pantone sensor on my labtop, the lightroom , chrome and Capture One gets the calibrated profile but not the Windows Photos software and internet explorer. I am going to try Adobe Bridge as well, but just wondering how did it work for this guy? did his colour calibrator did some thing special with Windows software colours?
@@humayunmrd my guess is that he ignored those problems because it was a sponsored video, and isn't the calibrators fault.
Thank for your video. It looks really good. While you are right about the differences between the programs, with all due respect, I think you're missing the point on calibration.
If your reference is accurate, then your end product will be accurate.
What's accurate? Whatever you see in your monitor is what you see in print.
Only a humble observation.
It would have been interesting to calibrate two identical screens. Each screen with a different Spyder callibrater from the same type and than compare them to see how consistent these callibrators are.
I saw such comparison a few years ago. It showed a huge difference in callibration results of two same type Spyder callibrators. After seeing this comparison I stopped thinking of calibrating my screen...
I have a spyder 4 and it definitely changes the colors of everything I edit. My monitors came outta the box super blueish. Once I calibrated it, it changed the colors completely and made everything I edited look much better.
I had a photo I really liked, but when I got it printed professionally it didn't look the same. I calibrated my Linux PC and now it looks the same onscreen as my printed copy. So basically I'm no longer mis-adjusting color temp and brightness in post.
Nice to hear that Bryan. I am also running Linux and I'm looking on how to calibrate my display. Do you mind sharing what software/hardware you used? Thanks!
I used Display Cal v3.2.2 and an older Spyder 2 that I borrowed from my photo club. As I recall I had to find some drivers to install and had to explicitly enable Spyder2 in the software.
@@bryanleaman5942 Great, thanks for the information!
That happened to me once, but I went to Windows Color Manager and deleted the custom calibrations and the monitor went back to normal. Now I use i1Profiler from X-Rite. If you use version 2 of the ICC Profile instead of the Default ICC Profile 4. The problem is that since some programs are not compatible with ICC 4 the colors look weird in some programs, but they all are compatible with ICC Profile 2 and the colors are constant with adobe, corel, windows picture viewer and video players :-) Just change to ICC Profile 2 in the calibration settings and everything will work fine :-)
"I'm pretty good with computers" - says he had to reinstall windows to revert color calibration... guys, ignore this video he has no clue.
Hahahah, that’s true. It’s very easy to erase color profile
10 years ago you were in preschool
so stay quiet
@@DeltaModelX just finished uni, but ok. Pleb.
@@cogsincogs i said 10 years ago
plus you have finished uni but don't know what rounding is?
@@DeltaModelX yeah, I finished uni then. Dunno how you can defend this video, you must be as dumb as him.
Dose it save it to the monitor itself or to that specific windows installation
Just because you calibrate your monitor does not mean that what you see is how it will print. It means that the monitor is showing you accurate colors to what it is told. Printing uses an entirely different color gamut, with a different process, on a variety of papers.
Yes, if you want accurate prints you need to calibrate your monitor. That is just step one though. After that you need to soft proof your file with a profile that is set up for your specific printer, inks, AND SPECIFIC paper. Your computer will use this to show you a representation of what it could look like and will show you which colors you see on your monitor that CANNOT ever be printed on your combination of printer and paper. You can choose how to replace these colors.
Point is, calibrating your monitor has little to do with how your print will look. Calibrating your monitor is to make sure that what you see, is what everyone else sees, particularly in color shift, as we all know what tiny color shifts do to the mood of your image.
@Phil W Some online companies have profiles on their website that you can download for soft proofing. It's super useful when they do! If you're in the US, try AdoramaPix
It's actually frustrating because I'll work on my photos on my calibrated monitor, then send them to other people who of course are using uncalibrated monitors, so I still don't know that they'll see the photos the way I intended them to look. I had this experience recently where I brought a whole CD of images that looked great on a calibrated monitor, and the guy I gave the CD too was looking at them on this god-awful office computer monitor that just looked horrendous. Sigh.
@@sethleigh8850 they don't need to have their monitors calibrated. sure they're "experts" and should have it somewhat at a decent setting, but they won't change your pictures before printing. they'll get them, print them, notify you that the job is done and get on with their lives.
Logan Cressler this video was about calibrating your monitor. There is a separate process to calibrate your printer - if you are one of the few who actually print.
@@RuiPalmeira yeah in my case the people with the uncalibrated monitors weren't printing them, they were using them for their own on-screen purposes. My point was that making photos look great on a calibrated monitor only helps you to the fullest if the people looking at your images are doing so on calibrated monitors. It's still better than making images look great on an uncalibrated monitor and then sending them to people looking at them on uncalibrated monitors, unless yours was somehow badly calibrated the same way as everyone else's. In my case I've noticed a lot of cheap desktop monitors tend to be badly calibrated in the "too yellow" direction, while a lot of cheap laptop screens tend toward "too blue." It's just a personal observation from calibrating my own and a few friends' screens, nothing scientific, and my view could be skewed by my small sample size.
In the video is possible can see the difference between photoshop and windows. Maybe photoshop is using sRGB and the windows RGB, no?
I have been using color calibration software for computers (apple, and PC) since the late 90's with both Xrite, and Datacolor. Both company's have provided excellent quality over the years, and have improved the ease of doing a calibration quite a bit in that timeline. Your description of having different colors on different applications seems like something went very wrong with your calibration process. Because what calibration does is create an ICC profile that gets embedded in your OS (and if you know where to find it, you can delete it without having to do a reinstall). Working properly it should affect all applications on that computer you are working on.
Another tip: If you want your prints to match what you see on your monitor, you also need to create printer profiles for your printer paper. And that's for each type of paper you are using on that printer. So say you have a gloss, semi gloss, and luster papers you are using on a printer, then you have to create 3 paper profiles (one for each paper). Now some paper company's offer some baseline paper profiles for printer models on their website. But if you want the most accurate print, you will want to create profiles yourself. I myself currently use Xrite Colormunki system as I can use it for both monitor calibration, and making printer profiles in one unit. So just remember that if your objective is printing, monitor calibration is only half the work.
I can use this to calibrate my monitor. Then I download a printer profile for a certain paper from a printing company, say Luster. Everything should look right then if I load that printer profile into photoshop when looking at my photo?
My monitor, after a Spyder 5 pro calibration, has a slight green tint to it when i use chrome or other programs. In Lightroom it looks perfect. I've learned to live with it.
Also, Spyder should have included those same test images on a piece of paper or cardboard for you to judge.
Lol, I've been annoyed with that color shift on chrome and could not figure out whether it's green or magenta. Now that you mentioned it, I agree it's green. I used my sypder 5 pro on my girlfriend's mac and it seems her chrome still looks close to white.
Clickbait: Of course not, you fool. All those professional photographers/printers are fools.
what about the way it looks on your phone? ive calibrated using spyder but it looks wayyy different on my iphone
“Lee Morris - Calibrating The World Pt 2” 😂
Print on linne paper, but more expensive but it's makes the colours so much brighter
Lee, I really wanna see the same test, but now for printing. That's the final frontier right there.
Ya that scares me. Patrick did a video on this a year or so ago and it was incredibly complicated.
@@FStoppers Thanks. I'll look it up.
I have the studio version of this for doing my monitor and printer and the printing calibration is just amazingly crazy. Makes a world of difference for sure. I completely back the Spyder X calibrator 100%.
@@FStoppers check out ask damien...www.damiensymonds.net/what2buy_cal.html
Very knowledgeable.
What about the osd settings on the monitor? example the brightness, contrast and rgb values on the monitor. does this help calibrate that?
Windows isn't color managed (yes you see the desktop change but that's not all). This means an application must support it.
Most web browsers aren't color-managed (I know Firefox is if you turn it on in hidden settings).
So you will always see a difference between a program that respects your color profile (like Photoshop) and one that doesn't (Windows Photo viewer for instance).
In a (modern) Mac environment, the OS takes care of color management, so most if not all applications are color-managed even if they are not coded for it. A Windows user myself (but had to use Macbooks for a couple of years for work) this is a big advantage.. but I can live with it.
I actually use the difference between Photoshop / Affinity Photo and Windows Photo Viewer to to a double-check. I know what I see in Photoshop is 'correct', but I don't want it to look too crazy uncalibrated. I also do some last-minute checks on my mobile phone (which is also way to saturated and has a white-balance way off) just to get a feel of how it looks on different scenarios... that is, if I care (as in, for serious images :P).
In music studios this is not that different. They have very special reference speakers (studio monitors) that will produce a sound that is 'true' and helps the mixing engineers locate problems in the sound.
But in the end they also test with Apple Earbuds and playing back on car stereo's.. because that is where 99% of music is 'consumed' these days :).
Color management works fine on Windows 10. It's not the easiest utility, but it works.
@@telescopicS627 i didn't say color management doesn't work.. I said Windows itself is not color managed, which is true. The desktop will not honour your display profile (only the gamma ramps that are loaded into your graphics card/onboard graphics).
So only color managed applications will truly behave ok with your display profile loaded.
For example, Windows photo viewer (the windows7 default viewer app ) will honour your profile, but 'photos' (the new windows10 app style default viewer) will not, and so they will look different (depending on how much calibration your monitor needed).
Irfanview for example is not color managed out of the box, but it can be turned on in the settings.
@@jorismak Maybe we're talking about different things, but that hasn't been my experience at all. In win 10 photos look exactly the same in any app. I calibrate display under advanced settings in color management. You can see the colors change when the profile loads seconds after logging in.
@@telescopicS627 You must not be using a wide colour gamut monitor.
@@kainthjaskaran You are doing something wrong with windows and your video drivers.
You can override settings with AMD and NVIDIA controller panels. Also some programs will take over. Heck even youtube on CHROME and EDGE will take over your colors if you playback with HDR on....
Now that's what I call a review! Very insightful!
You obviously have NO idea what color management is all about?
pelikan88 hardy ha ha. I bought my Dell30" with factory 100% rgb cal, then blew money on a spider, and guess what, the colour beofre and after cal was exactly the same (no surpise) and the bightness changed a small amount. Buy a good monitor and save money on the calibrator.
Monitors need to be calibrated to the lighting conditions in the room in which you use them. Which is why no monitor can truly come calibrated.
Is that a question?
Anyone that does any type of graphic imaging should calibrate their monitors. It's more important than what people think.
i have 2 things to tell to you:
- Many monitors have more than 100% SRGB color space that's why they are too saturated.
- Spyder is a POS, the calibration method used is awful. Get an x-rite i1 display pro colorimeter, that is a much more serious tool.
Yep
I've always heard the same thing, but im curious if the new SpyderX is better now that it has a lens like the X-rite has.
SpyderX is decently close hardware wise but both x-rite and spyders software is still garbage. It puts to much emphesis on doing the job quick. With either device you should be using something like displaycal and preferable a monitor or display card that skips windows all together.
The sound in your recent videos is stronger in the right channel than it is in the left.
The part about monitor brightness is probably the most important part of this video. The number of times I've seen images on "infinite white" backgrounds that have terrible masking and eraser marks on them because the editors brightness was WAY too high is astounding. All those artifacts will print out and people will wonder why. For doing video and especially print work calibration is super necessary IMO.
I'm Jack's Nipples yes, or at least less bright that the default on your monitor. Often monitors are setup extra bright to look good in the store, but then it blows out (aka clips) the highlights. The contrast and saturation are also usually boosted up quite a bit.
I like my screen bright too, but I'm a pixel peeper and I use tools like...exposure and contrast... to check for such errors in bright areas (as well as for dust spots, etc). I, personally, won't lower my screen brightness and I have my screen calibrated for sRGB using the native screen brightness set to my liking. Beautiful, accurate colors (especially paired ith the x-rite passport calibrator for photos - the skin tones come alive!!!), but nice and bright display. And no errors, because I can use the damn tools at my disposal.
I think the brightness thing is more of an issue to those who are fairly new or don't pay attention to detail.
@@TheUltimateBlooper Cranking the levels to the extreme is a great way of seeing those issues. Sort of like doing false colors with video. Usually that's how I show people their monitor settings aren't showing them the full gamut of colors. But I think there is a reason the color calibration tools measure brightness and have you turn down the brightness as one of the steps to calibration. But to each their own, do what works for you.
Why expensive monitors has not the option of applying the "international calibration standard" ? And, apart from printing, whats the point of having a calibrated screen if your photos and videos are going to be seen on non calibrated screens?
been calibrating my monitors for years, not really difficult to do 🤣🤣
Do you have any go-to guides (video or article/text) you'd recommend I read to learn calibration? I actually am good with computers (in general) but have never touched monitor calibration and not looking to blow $500 on hardware - so I'll likely rent something like a Datacolor Spyder 5 Pro for $30 and try to smash it out in one weekend. But I don't know what I don't know.
@@simonwood8637 As far as calibration goes it's basically use hardware to detect it digitally or eye-ball it with something like: www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
And using Nvidia's control panel.
I’m assuming a new MacBookPro has little variance in how displays look across different computers. So while I’m sure Apple’s screens are fairly accurate, does anyone know if there is a suggested setting to use for photography?
Edit: I’d check but my computer is in for repair... I’ll get back to this comment when it comes back though, and let anyone know what I find out.
Thing is you are calibrating your monitor to display images and videos that will be seen on uncalibrated devices lol.
mbickerdike17 while that’s true, starting from a calibrated baseline means that the differences between all those uncalibrated viewers won’t be as drastic as if he were producing them in an uncalibrated set up.
You calibrate first and foremost for print, and secondly for the reasons BLC mentioned.
while my Benq PD3200U is still new - I trust it's factory calibration with Konica Minolta color analyzer ca-310 rather than my Spyder 5 Pro :)
You can’t Brick your computer lol 🤦🏻♂️
It’s not like a phone or Xbox
He actually did, a few months ago. I forget how. He got Dell to fix it after they initially refused to; posted a video about it.
Yeah, you can hose up a BIOS update. That'll brick a lot of laptops and low to mid end motherboards.
I installed Norton Antivirus once. My PC ran like a brick after that.
Never knew Tom Brady was a techy photographer.
It’s important. We got footage back from a video company. Skin tones looked red. They had just gotten a new monitor and wasn’t calibrated.
Will this work on a drawing tablet?
yes you need to calibrate it because all your clients have calibrated monitors and they will notice your work as bad
also you need to calibrate the monitor on your dslr or mirror-less camera
Calibration is important for printing and video work.
@@saniwada i never had my work printed ... my clients want there work as quick as possible to post on social media. so i view it first on an ipad iphone and reasonable android .. if the colors look good ..its ready for export no hassle
to me : as long it pays my bills and the client is happy my work here is done
In the film days my granddad never calibrated his screen , yet his pics look wickedly good up to this day
These companies just wanna sell you stuff
@@germardoumediagroup1472 your'e workflow is not the same as everyone else's. I'm a hobbyist and even I print my stuff for myself.
@@saniwada well it goes to not fix what is not broken
Run this again and you'll get a different result. The software is garbage. Download display cal and use the Spyder with that. Sure you've realised all this when trying to calibrate other monitors
:D :D :D :D :D
I Understand problem, what You talk about Your last time.
I'm calibrating monitors for photographers over 9 years. Hundreds of different models with maybe 20 different devices.
You did almost everything wrong from beginning... "duplicated" monitors :D :D :D :D :D
P.S. I still NEVER saw NONE good tutorial about Calibration from A to Z.
Well maybe do one genius lol
@@BertrandVan
I did it.
Just on my native language - (lietuvių kalba ) and not on RUclips.
I never learn English.
F-stoppers. Im so glad you did this review. I was one of few that was given the chance to be the first to do beta testing on the new Spyder X before it came out and also give my thought on the price etc.
I was amazed from the improvement they made on it even from the last model they had which was Spyder 5 which i thought was amazing also but the X has jump ahead tremendously.
I also print with an Epson Wf printer and i have the studio calibration kit with the Spyder X and it calibrates your printer as well. The best add-ons i have ever had. Datacolor is top notch.
Thanks again for this amazing review you did and im glad you like also lol.
I would be curious to see if by calibrating your 2 monitors side by side, you would have the same result on both 🤷🏻♂️
"Im pretty good with computers."
- Attempts a windows restore revert to change color settings.
- Does a clean wipe reinstall to get rid of a color profile.
- Wrong settings in the OS is apparently a bricked computer.
A bold statement. Anyone who knows computers would say no. As a tech support I would say decent as most people have no clue about basic computer knowledge.
Does anyone make a computer with a CD rom anymore? I realize it's just "progress", but sometimes I don't appreciate forced obsolecence.
There are external CD-ROM drives for those who don’t have a Cd-ROM Drive. I have CD’s that have hardware drivers on them. I also want to burn a backup image of my computer as well in case I need to boot off a cd and do a reinstall. I did get a laptop with a CD-ROM drive.
Heyhey.
My new laptop’s screen looks a little bit yellow. It could be that my phone where i compare it with is just to blue. (I know, not pro calibration, but it just looked way more yellow than my old laptop.)
Any advice? I got i way more accurate with changing a few settings. And it’s not the ‘night screen’.
My new laptop is an acer aspire 7 with a sort of matte screen.
Have a nice day
I also use the Spyder calibrator and love it. I can't work on anything not calibrated heck, I even had my work monitor calibrated.
I'm sorry, BRICKING?! Can't you just... Re-calibrate it to default colors? What is this can't restore nonsense? Heck normally your Intel display or Nvidia/AMD graphics driver gives you complete control over your colors. HOW!!! Are you doing this to yourself?
It's not just for photo and printing. Watching youtube or any video is much more enjoyable when calibrated. The older monitors benefit greatly from calibration because it is impossible to manually set RGB to ideal setting because the blue are the first to fade. The calibration gives you many years of life for any monitor unless it is really broken. The basic monitor color calibration priced at $100 range is a great starting point for everyone... Datacolor or x-rite.
Great video! Thanks for taking the time. Nice delivery.
The only missing element is a calibration comparison. The calibration is only really helpful if a) it lets side-by-side monitors match each other or b) the monitor matches the printout.
Not calibrated until you get and match prints. Doesn't matter when it was printed as long as it wasn't color corrected by the lab, or the file changed.
Very hard to believe that you have been working on an uncalibrated monitor. Actually kind ridiculous.
Kinda because it doesn't matter too much.
I know right! And so many people ask us "how did you color your footage? It looks great!" Another secret, sometimes we color our footage and sometimes it's just straight out of our camera...sad bear meme -P
I've used the Spyder 5 Pro for a long time. Can't get great prints without a properly calibrated monitor. I have a Dell U2518D, which was very close out of the box, but, as usual, too bright with green and blue tints to maximize brightness. Perfect calibration with the pro.
for true identical prints as possible, you need calibrated printer also, and actually, you need different profile for every different paper you use, since it does make difference. same goes if you use different type of ink (let say, other brand or some spacial, waterproof ink), too, but lets leave it there. Few (actually, more then few) years ago i did play with this things, calibrated monitor, calibrated printer and then scan all prints on calibrated scanner (this was all non-pro devices, only 4-color printer etc) and results were night and day, specially when looking ion every different colour channel, where you really can see, how wrong printer work from their factory settings.
edit: just found whole thing, if somebody interested, here's the link. it's in Slovenian, but i think you can figure things out www.slo-foto.net/clanki/136/kalibracija-tiskalnikov most important it this proofing (last picture), as mentioned before www.slo-foto.net/slike/clanki/Kalibracija_tiskalnikov/razlika-vse-web-500.jpg left column in printed (and scanned) picture without profile, middle column is reference picture (original photo,non printed) and right column is print with calibration profile. please remember, this is print on low cost, cmyk printer.
Bryan Stewart my factory calibrated Dell 30" was great right out of the box, and the spider did not change the colour at all, only reduced the brightness a little.
I recommended to people to buy a good calibrated monitor and save your money on the spider.
Please do a video on your preferencee for Windows instead a Mac. Also is it true that Dell XPS is too saturated and editing on it leads to photos looking dull on other screens? Plus what's the battery backup time you are getting on your Dell laptop?
The Win/Mac preference probably comes down to money.
i've use datacolour sypder express for 6 years now .... a very good product
Did your calibrater degraded yet? The filter inside dont last very long, usually around 3-5 years.
I’m impressed. I wasn’t looking forward to doing this manually with my target photograph that came with CorelDRAW Suite 7 (IIRC). When I set my venerable Dell 2K monitor a decade ago, it remained good enough that what came out of my local print shop was as near as dammit. My new 4K BenQ monitor will definitely be set up with this Spyder device!
This has always been something that i thought about...after a lot of thinking, i just decided to not calibrate...lets say i calibrate my monitor...to what it should be calibrated to? will the other person on the other side of the globe watch my image on a calibrated screen or not? too complicated high tech shit for me. The only calibration i care about, is when i have to print, that s it for me...i dont care about anything else.
I had the same opinion for a long time, but I read something recently that resonated with me. The people sitting at home on their uncalibrated monitors are USED to the way that their screen makes things look. So for all the professional media they watch that was edited with a calibrated monitor, it will look normal for them on their screen because it is what they are used to. But if you don't edit with a calibrated monitor, and in reality it has too much saturation, or a green tint or something, it will look strange to the other person because its different from what they are used to seeing. Does that make sense? So even if the other people don't have calibrated screens, they are used to images looking a certain way on THEIR screen. In order to make it look normal for THEM, you need to calibrate your monitor.
For more Color management or your color freak guy - just buy LG monitors its awesome for even editing or gaming (7 profiles are available in LG monitors)
Maac Desmond LG - no. Dell will guarantee calibration to rgb or srgb from factory, and allow for wear in the backlight.
14:40 - Actually, that's why it's extra importent to have a calibrated display, because if you share an image you edited on a monitor that has a cool temperature, it's going to look even more cool on a "vivid" display that someone else has.
All you really know is that the original meets standard specifications.
proper calibration should be camera, monitor, printer. And the only people who need to color calibrate that much are people who are sending color specific products that need to be shown in magazine or online orders.
I don't use PC but in a Mac It's super easy and works great. Tray a mac. And as a professional photographer, I humbly think that it's very important to have the monitor calibrated.
I agree. Calibration is super important if you're a pro. Although, it doesn't make a difference if it's a mac or pc.
Kick the mac in the trash homie
Please don't believe this guy. He's probably wasted tons of money and time hard proofing images. Most professional photographers understand how light works... It's kinda what photography is about 🙄. If you want to do this just buy a calibrator like the one in this video and follow the instructions. Your lighting environment should be 6500k and remain consistent and yes you should recalibrate if your lighting changes or about once every 1-2 months. If you have any questions feel free to mention me and I'll try to answer ASAP.
welcomed to the 19th century, what will be next perhaps horseless carriages or telecommunications. I have been calibrating video screens professionally since 1988 using gels and SMPTE color bars.
You have Popcorn Time on your desktop... WOW... just like that, for everybody to see that you don't pay for movies... Nice!
invite someone who knows what he's talking about, when you don't have the knowledge yourself -- one example: brightness (technically correct: luminance) of the monitor should match your ambient viewing conditions. There is no single "correct" monitor brightness as there is no "correct" clothing to go outdoors which would fit to all ambient (temperature / weather) conditions!
I'm work on 100% brightness, because if you work at low brightness, it will always seem that the photo is not bright enough and you want to clarify it in the editor. But as it turns out later, it was necessary to increase the brightness of the screen.
What one perceives mostly as "brightness" in a picture is the relation of the midtones to the shadows and highlights -- so the "gamma" or gradation. Of course the maximum luminance of the monitor is also important, as our perception is also dependent on the absolute level (see "Stevens effect") -- although with current monitors we're not really getting into that high luminance range anyways. Take a color-matched created print and view it under a standard D50 lighting and then adjust the luminance of the monitor to match the print visually. Take care of creating similiar background conditions (ideally similar gray) for both the picture on the screen and the print. Search for "Fogra Softproof handbook" when you want more info on that matter (the german version is more up to date btw).
I have mine calibrated. The colours before calibration were just horrible, with a very strong blue colour cast. I do wonder however, what the point of calibration is, if 99.9% of devices that people view the images on are not colour calibrated. When we edit our images on a colour calibrated system, we aren't going to know how the image looks to 99.9% of people. In fact, wouldn't it be better to edit the images from a non-calibrated system, because at least our final edit will be "accurate" to more people - everybody that owns that particular monitor at least.
(Not an insult) but, are you intentionally going for the John Cena look...?
I was thinking more of a Kelly Slater look plus the quicksilver hat.. except he's surfing the web not waves...ppshh haha
my right ear is enjoying this video
Dry Creek Photo has your printer profiles. Always calibrate, color workflow is important and very misunderstood.
One thing to add to ur great video, you need to calibrate ur printer as well. If u send to outside for print... there is another workflow.. forgot. Just a heads up. 😅
i think the term you're looking for is soft proofing your images to your printer profile. the printer is the most accurate hardware in the whole workflow of printing. the worst being your monitor. the thing you need to get is getting your printer or your external vendor printer profile and load it up on your software to check which colors is not going to be accurate when getting the final print. you dont need to calibrate your printer.
@@hnafiem Still new to this. I have the colormunki photo and it enable profiling the printer as well.
So the lesson here is, if you don't have a calibrator, dim your screen a smidge, and don't be afraid of the saturation slider
If your own monitor is darker than it should be, other people may see your images too bright; if your monitor is too bright, others might see your images as too dark. Since the average user doesnt' have a calibrated monitor, its almost a waste of time to calibrate your own monitor. You should calibrate, if you are a photographer, to match how prints come out...you have to guess, send a file, print, see how it comes out, then adjust until its pleasant. Only professional photogs printing gigantic prints for show competitions have any use for such technology.
wow, 279,00 euro that's 150,00 euro more then what my monitor costs, haha
I found my Spyder 5 pro isn't consistent on recalibrations
That is one of their problems, and they also have poor unit to unit consistency. I used the Spyder 5 for some time, but it was incredibly slow and inconsistent, and it also couldn't handle wide gamut. Switching to an xrite i1 disp pro was like night and day, much faster and more accurate.
Small tip for some. I work 100% from a laptop and outsource my printing. My print company offers free colour calibration matching their printers. I take my laptop in and they do it, no charge. Of course you can’t do this if your print company isn’t within reach. Maybe check with your print supplier before spending ?
Rice Crash i'd love to know who you use!!
Your audio mix is throwing me off using my headphones. Way stronger on the right ear and it’s distracting. Just FYI sorry to be negative... just trying to let you know
Thanks for the pointed and direct product review. For a sponsored bit it came across as a honest assessment and good information as it relates to your use with reasonable consideration for users not matching your level of production. I was considering this purchase before watching your video, color calibration is a tricky issue, and your approval goes a long way to legitimizing the investment for me even if I’m not working as a professional.
i calibrated my monitor, but my colors still so diferent that my iphone, i have a viewsonic for photograpy, anyone knows why?
All displays are going to look slightly different even after calibration, unless they are of the same exact model. Your iPhone also isn't calibrated and thus not accurate (colors etc depends on the brightness-levels).
Great video but you failed to show how you could undo the process if you don't like it.
It prompts you in the app dialog if you want to save the change
He doesnt know how... this guy obviously doesnt know shit about colour calibration or PCs for that matter
@@jimfeldman4035 but if you "save the change" can you later go back and undo that change?
@@lenzwizard Sure. On windows you have .ICM files. I actually have multiple since I've found what's good for reading isn't the one I want for photo editing You assign the icm to the display. IOWs, I assign one to the laptop and another to the second monitor
@@LucasJodokast he already admitted that about calibration.
You can not brick a computer by colour calibration. Lol. Shilling at its best.
WHen saving images just make sure you save as sRGB, thats one of the main things. BUt i guess you know that already.
Hopefully
Spyders meters are already proven to be less accurate than the X-Rite i1Display Pro meters. Professional photographers, serious graphic artists, and film colorists never use Spyder meters or the datacolor software. They use EIZO ColorEdge monitors and Flanders Scientific monitors, i1Display Pro meters, and for color calibration software they use LightSpace CMS.
That looks super cool, exactly what I was looking for
well all waht you rly have done is change the bright if you lower the bright you dont need this 5 doller cheep spider thing you break your monitor with this cheep thing out of the box the monitor are calibratet for your ips panel by the best way for your monitor you , just need to lower the brightest with no sipder thing just a tip , from a pro.
Im glad that it was not just me it tool AGES to sort back to "normal"
can i borrow your spyderx? $270 is hella expensive lol
Did you print your photos after calibration?
How was it comparing to the screen look?
Nice Cat thats a good question that no one will answer ;/
Just to be clear - bricking your PC means when you turn it on it no longer boots or you get a blue screen od death. That is NOT what happened to you. you stated Y"OU didnt like" the difference in colors. it was working fine. please dont misquote/mislead people that calibrating is harmful/dangerous to a pc!