Mfw I originally thought this would be a quick video but then remembered color management is a nightmare in complexity and had to explain a bunch of stuff for context 📝UPDATES SINCE THIS VIDEO WAS PUBLISHED: • It seems that the newer 'Photos' app in Windows is indeed color managed now
RIP to all the modern pc case owners XD..... reason why I bought an external CD drive.... yea I hardly use it and all but still sometimes like to use CD's and since I would rather own a bunch of CD's than thumbdrives because I'm a PC person .
It's super saturated for me :( My display makes the color more muted so when I view my art on other devices it looks like I just said 'hell yeah saturation'
If you just want the image to look maximum saturated on any monitor (at the cost of being not fully accurate of what you saw), you can just ensure that it is NOT being saved with a tagged/embedded color profile. So perhaps check if maybe your image editor by default is embedding sRGB which could be the cause.
Good overview of color management profiles, but there are two more layers to this. Some monitors have alternative display modes that you'll want to make sure are off while you're setting things up, or when you need color accuracy. Like, my work monitor has a "low blue-light" mode. More importantly, the display profile is, as you say, for the model, not for your individual monitor. So if you can see the differences , you should also use the monitor calibration built into Windows 10, /after/ you've installed the correct ICC, to fine-tune your picture. It's only as good as your eyes are, but since you can only look at your display with your eyes, it should still be an improvement. With my work computer, before calibration one monitor had a distinctly rose cast and the other a distinctly greenish cast, and both of them lost low-contrast details (like the button shading on the Ribbon in MSOffice, or which item you have selected on a drop down menu) unless you turned the monitors up to blinding. (Yes, the monitor's contrast was maxed out.) Now that I've calibrated them, I can keep that at a much more sensible 30% brightness, have consistent color, and can actually see everything.
Usually monitors should be set to 80% contrast, since above that might lose some accuracy and detail and might have a slightly different colour tint. It also gives some space for Overdrive to work correctly.
Glad you explained this. I am by no means a noob, but this windows color management software must be some of the most ridiculously convoluted crap I ever tried to use. These windows devs really do not understand windows users. Your video was a great help! Many thanks!
Another quick note on this; Some applications will occasionally cause windows to disassociate the chosen icc profiles you've just applied, and kick the output back to system defaults (overriding the colour management settings in windows). This mostly occurs in gaming apps and some full screen applications. If this happens to you, one recommendation is to use a free program called Colour Profile Keeper. Once installed, simply follow these steps: - Select the correct profile for the relevant screens and hit apply; - Select lock profiles, to stop programs over-riding it; & - Enable launch at startup & minimise to tray. This has been the most successful solution for me so far, although some apps will occasionally continue to reset your icc profiles. Lastly, make sure your monitor's hardware colour profiles are correctly selected in the OSD.
This video is kind of misleading, if your monitor has a gamut of 99% sRGB (I have a LG 29WK600) and nothing else, the profile you should use is in fact sRGB or the one provided by your monitor. Color profiles are unique, to have yours, you need to have some advanced tools to calibrate your monitor and get a profile unique to your monitor, there's no such a thing to download someone's else profile. Another thing to pay special attention, whatever you do in whatever software you have to edit a photo, you *ALWAYS* export in sRGB. The exact same applies if you monitor can handle different color profiles, always export in sRGB.
before I watch this video, just wanted to let you know that my monitor is upside down, with inverted colors, flashing ridiculously fast and the power isn't plugged in. When I tried to call the manufacture, they said to insert the floppy disk for the serial number and I just cant boot into my pc because my windows is expired and its asking to verify my credit card with PayPal to continue so i'm stuck help
@@TheAsianKidxD No, I had it playing in the background while I was busy with something and when I took a 10 second break just to gather my thoughts I heard that bit and I was like "Wait a sec...Rewind that..." so no, it all happened by a sheer coincidence. The universe just works like that - it'd be foolish to deny that there are materias and forces that are above us and beyond our current understanding, lol
Now that you've explained color profiles, how about how to sync these profiles to your printer so that your printer is printing what you are seeing on your monitor. That's the most overlooked feature of having a PC and printer.
You know what else I love about the old photo viewer?! You could right click on the photo and select an option to take you to that file so that you can easily locate it in a sea of photos when trying to separate them into another directory or something
Joe your channel is why RUclips was made. Knowledge and good contents I would have to pay some money for, so thank you for quaility Knowledge. Hope you win top youtube awards.
@LJB018 that's true, but you can always modify what you subscribe for, that way you would be surprised by what pops on your recommendation. Thanks to @youtube, this is where I learnt how to be a - Graphics Designer - Video editor - Front End dev - WordPress dev - UI , UX , Figma designer - Wikipedia dev Enjoy music and football latest news. Thanks to them
If you were using sRGB you weren't doing it wrong because the point of color management is to ensure that printed output matches on-screen display as much as possible. You wouldn't be embedding your monitor-specific ICC profile to images you intend to share because on all screens other than yours the colors would be way off. If you pay close attention to the "color management" right around 16:05 settings you will see that windows defaults to sRGB for all instances where there is no embedded profile (and the program supports color management) or where the program doesn't support color management. The other thing that this long video doesn't mention is ensuring that your monitor is connected by DisplayPort (at least) and that your video card supports 10-bit per channel color. Not all video cards will support 10bpc color, most only do 8bpc. This setting is changed in your driver settings for your particular video card/GPU. Without 10bpc enabled your monitor won't be allowed to display more colors even if it supports them.
Using a color profile without calibrating and profiling the monitor with some qualified measuring device (colorimeter or better spectrophotometer) is absolutely useless.
I proudly carried those CRT monitors while walking up steps when I was a bit younger and smaller :) You did a good job explaining many important details here Joe. I think the big companies who are pushing people to create more videos, and to add sharp images/videos from content sites to them, will put another level of complexity to the color space for many companies overall as well.
I appreciate that he speaks at the speed he does clearly and comprehensively. Other RUclipsrs I have to speed 'em up to 1.25 or 1.5. He sounds like most people's 1.25x speeds :)
Setting the supplied profile for your monitor is of no use as soon as you're changing the white balance and color settings on the monitor itself. You can have the correct profile set but still have terrible colors on screen.
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Even though I may be using my monitor "wrong", I personally hate how certain colors look with the provided color profile (for example, it makes blues look like purple) so I'm sticking with sRGB anyways. Although that's only with the current Samsung CRG5 I'm using so other monitors may look better with their provided color profiles.
Dude... I've been nonstop around PCs and technology for about 15 years now and this is the first time I've heard someone talking about this. Awesome video my man.
You are correct, Advanced Color is for HDR, but you _would_ want that if your monitor supports HDR; otherwise, you won't have an ICC profile when in HDR mode. Pretty sure you need a separate calibration under HDR to have the correct ICC profile for it, but I'm not sure. The difference between SDR and HDR modes is luminance. I think WCG (wide color gamut) is what your ICC profile manages in general, and it's good to calibrate in both conditions.
@Prit Kumar Of course I will have it in it. I can't just use windows all the time. I like to switch between Windows and Linux, now that I made a bootable usb drive.
Love the content. Where other tech tubers struggle with fresh content, you seem to find a way to give useful relevant information so thank you for that. We get better watching your videos, so keep it up!
I just added the ICC profile to my Color Management but I am wondering do I need to adjust the monitor settings also? What about my NVIDIA gpu color settings? I have the Asus vg27a1a TUF monitor with a lot of settings and I've never been able to get the Color right. As always Thank you for the great Thio!!
Absolutely awesome video. I never installed any monitor software and I just did after watching your segment, my current Alienware 3420DW has a very colour gamut 138% sRGB mode, in addition to a high DCP3 colour gamut….after installing the software I noticed my web browsing has become slightly more vibrant and some colours pop more…..doing my home photo’s with Adobe software…..is day and night difference. What I see and print is more accurate and less oversaturated in areas. Great video ThioJoe 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥳🎉👍
it should be more apparent that you should use them. Windows on default uses some generic settings/drivers, probably so you can actually install the proper profile (you need to see what is happening on the computer, to install drivers) so most people who dont install monitor drivers, just see these standard generic windows drivers, that are there just so your monitor can work at all
This is really well researched, great job! One thing you missed, is some monitors have different colorspaces in the OSD menu and that needs to align with your icc profile.
YOU ARE A LEGEND!!! QUESTION: I don't know why but the image on photoshop after color grading looks amazing, when I export it... it doesnt look as vibrant on my desktop & even worse on my iphone... its on srgb so I dont know the problem :(
I prefer the saturated look so I gave up ICCs. Everything is sRGB, Steam, browsers and apps. It just looks so damn flat with ICC activated, I know it's "proper" but if my monitor can push more color I'm gonna let it!
I've noticed so many issues with the new Windows Photo app ever since Win10 came out. A lot has been fixed, but I'm confused why the color issue still hasn't been fixed...after all these years!!
In my experience, these manufacturer-supplied color profiles don't work all that well because of manufacturing differences in individual monitors of the same model of monitor. For example, just one of my Asus VS229 monitors had a significant greenish cast. Thus there is no substitute for a monitor calibration device.
@@Necdasar It was a no-name/none-branded monitor, originally purchased for testing of old VGA DOS machines. I got it used from a computer store that went out of business. It didn't come with drivers and didn't need them for DOS. No FCC info, or anything. The OSD chip must be defective as I've never been able to access a menu. For my purposes though, it works, I put a comment in about how fun it can be when the manufacturer and model number is unknown. It used to be that monitors would identify themselves in Windows. It would be nice if they did that again.
I have one on my first ever gaming build, back in 2013. I use it for making MP4's and MP3's for my own viewing and listening pleasure. That computer cannot run the latest games, but sure is good for photography and video. I'm just about to move my Windows install over to my other more modern with the same specs of ASROCK B450M Pro4 with RYZEN 2600 6 core 12 threads on a NVIDIA 1660 Card of the computer I am using now. I have a 850Watt power supply to install today into the other one. This will save dual booting Windows with Linux, Linux being my main go to OS, Windows used for gaming the latest Triple A games. Keeping both separate makes sense, as both would benefit having their own space. I use ICY Dock which can mount SSD's at the front of the computer, meaning I can pull out Windows and put it into my other build, without the hassle of reinstalling. I feel that at the moment Proton is not quite there yet for Windows games in Linux, still loads of mucking around with code to get games to run. I'm hoping that by 2025 when Windows 10 is no more, that Proton will be sorted out to play the latest games out of the bag, with no mention of tweaking or mucking around with code to get the game to work.
Is this still an issue in 2022 ? I thought via PnP all color devices (printer, scanner, cameras and monitors) send their properties over EDID or DDC? Isn’t that enough for color correction or doesn’t it do anything regarding Gamut, color and Gamma?
I can't even remember the last time a monitor I bought came with a disk. My last 3 or 4 had nothing with it. Not only that, I don't have a disk drive anymore either.
Learned about it half a year ago when I began to use a second monitor. It´s so easy and so quick to do, but just because it already works when we plug it in everyone tends to ignore it.
When you don't have the CD that came with your monitor and you can't find the profile from LG themselves and you can't find a third party one... (I have the LG 24LN451B if anyone can help me)
Chrome actually treats untagged content as sRGB by default, so everything will be color managed without having to change any extra settings. Firefox doesn't do this, but you can change a setting in about:config to get the same behavior.
Chrome still shows me oversaturated colours though. Having the icm installed or not does not make a single difference. I now use novideo srgb clamp which works fine. It can also use the manufacture icm file to base the clamp on instead of edid values and if I do that it sticks to P3 on srgb mode :\
And about Windows colour management. If the colour profile has colour correction, I find it much more reliable if you install DisplayCAL to use it's LUT loader which would auto reload the correction if it drops for some reason, even if you don't use it to generate the profile (and it's really often the correction would be dropped by Windows, weirdly). Though if you do have a colorimeter, even if you do use DisplayCAL to generate profile rather than the official tool, you should still install the official tool to get the reference file which it is said to allow better accuracy.
Wow this is deep! It answered a question I have had though. I had no idea how to install the Adobe color profile. Thank you for showing how to do this.
This is one of those areas of computing that is shrouded in so much mystery because it is deeply technical and has never really been translated to normal users. Thanks for clearing some of the fog. Luckily the Mac color dialog is waaaaay more straight-forward. :-) Also: Why is this data not embedded somewhere that EDID can get to it? What's a 1MB ROM chip cost now??
Thank you so much. I've always had issues with my monitor regarding colour banding and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. But when I tried this video it was immediately fixed and my monitor looks so much better. I can't thank you enough!
When I overclocked my screen in the Nvidia Control Panel, the colors of my screen automatically seemed "stronger" than before and I actually prefer that.
When I installed the profile for my secondary monitor, the colors shifted. But I was happy since the white are now white. So thank you random redditor that I gave all my faith in
@@1ndictus445 i doubt you have the exact same monitor as this person if you watched the video, you would know that these icc profiles are made especially for specific monitors, so if you dont have the **exact** same model of a monitor, it will maybe even look worse
Curious thing is that, now that I built my first PC, I got into icc profiles a week or two before this video, and now ThioJoe drops this video. Pretty curious, huh? It's nice that more people know about icc profiles and get a chance to have a better color experience. Thanks!
When I got my first CRT VGA monitor many years ago, it came with a special calibration program and a vinyl rectangle that you were supposed to stick on the screen. The program would then display different images and you were supposed to click on the square that most closely matched the vinyl piece. After you were done, your monitor was supposedly perfectly calibrated. The only problem was that the image was way too dark. Dark areas of photos appeared black, I couldn't see what I was doing in dimly lit areas of games, I couldn't tell most color gradients apart, etc. The last monitor that I actually bought, which was also a CRT, didn't come with any disk. Since then, I've gotten my monitors free from the trash. Right now, I'm using a 19" Dell 4:3 LCD display. I have larger ones, 16:9 ones, but this is what I'm used to. In any case, I have an OLD computer which didn't come with color management software built into Windows and Microsoft has long since scrubbed any trace of it from their site in their quest to pretend that old versions of Windows never existed.
OMG Windows 11 color profiles were not working at all, despite using a calibrator, and it was driving me crazy, until I went into that setting and checked "use Windows display calibration". Thank you! I could not use my I could not use my $5000 Sony OLED monitor to do any work for weeks until I found this video!
One thing I’d like to know is if your using a tv as your monitor, (like many of us do today, or at least some), can you get a profile for your model tv to download even if it’s a somewhat older tv? (3-4 years) it’s a great tv and I love it and I’ve used all The feature modes to get pictures depending on what I’m using it for and set up profiles for each input (cable, gaming, pc etc) but never thought to set a profile on windows itself for the tv? Can that be done? Thanks!
Mfw I originally thought this would be a quick video but then remembered color management is a nightmare in complexity and had to explain a bunch of stuff for context
📝UPDATES SINCE THIS VIDEO WAS PUBLISHED:
• It seems that the newer 'Photos' app in Windows is indeed color managed now
oh lol
Lolllololololol
Yeah. We are a bunch of dumb people
Only ThioJoe knows how to use things correctly. ☻
lg support sucks. can i have a link for the software?
I figured it out
I was first like and reply noiceee
Oh yea, lemme find the non-existent DVD that didn't came with my monitor :D (edit: found a new and better monitor)
Even better
Lemme use my laptop's DVD with my totally existent laptop dvd drive
wait
It probably did, we just bin that shite..
@@polytelus laptops dont have seperate monitors
RIP to all the modern pc case owners XD..... reason why I bought an external CD drive.... yea I hardly use it and all but still sometimes like to use CD's and since I would rather own a bunch of CD's than thumbdrives because I'm a PC person .
@@kidofhell been thinking of swapping my DVD to bluray for larger data storage. I lose thumb drives
Bruuuuh. The under-saturated look on another device after drawing something is so relatable. Thank you!
I have the same problem that's why I transfer a copy of the image to another device to see what i need to change.
What do you draw?
Same here when using Photoshop and doing graphic design
It's super saturated for me :( My display makes the color more muted so when I view my art on other devices it looks like I just said 'hell yeah saturation'
If you just want the image to look maximum saturated on any monitor (at the cost of being not fully accurate of what you saw), you can just ensure that it is NOT being saved with a tagged/embedded color profile. So perhaps check if maybe your image editor by default is embedding sRGB which could be the cause.
Good overview of color management profiles, but there are two more layers to this.
Some monitors have alternative display modes that you'll want to make sure are off while you're setting things up, or when you need color accuracy. Like, my work monitor has a "low blue-light" mode.
More importantly, the display profile is, as you say, for the model, not for your individual monitor. So if you can see the differences , you should also use the monitor calibration built into Windows 10, /after/ you've installed the correct ICC, to fine-tune your picture. It's only as good as your eyes are, but since you can only look at your display with your eyes, it should still be an improvement.
With my work computer, before calibration one monitor had a distinctly rose cast and the other a distinctly greenish cast, and both of them lost low-contrast details (like the button shading on the Ribbon in MSOffice, or which item you have selected on a drop down menu) unless you turned the monitors up to blinding. (Yes, the monitor's contrast was maxed out.)
Now that I've calibrated them, I can keep that at a much more sensible 30% brightness, have consistent color, and can actually see everything.
Usually monitors should be set to 80% contrast, since above that might lose some accuracy and detail and might have a slightly different colour tint. It also gives some space for Overdrive to work correctly.
Thanks a lot for the info , I was setting my dual display today on my laptop and desktop
Shadow: a dark area or shape produced by a body coming between rays of light and a surface.
@@gulfELAl9155 WTF 😒??
@@windowsxpprofessional they’re posting definitions of random things if you look at their comment history
@@WoolEndy yeah 😂
Glad you explained this. I am by no means a noob, but this windows color management software must be some of the most ridiculously convoluted crap I ever tried to use. These windows devs really do not understand windows users.
Your video was a great help! Many thanks!
If you add an icc profile as advanced, you can only enable it with hdr on, and vice versa.
This channel is so good. Many thanks
But ThioJoe what about game consoles? Can u install files in a console Develper Mode so colors on the monitor will stop looking so unsteller & dark?
Another quick note on this; Some applications will occasionally cause windows to disassociate the chosen icc profiles you've just applied, and kick the output back to system defaults (overriding the colour management settings in windows). This mostly occurs in gaming apps and some full screen applications. If this happens to you, one recommendation is to use a free program called Colour Profile Keeper. Once installed, simply follow these steps:
- Select the correct profile for the relevant screens and hit apply;
- Select lock profiles, to stop programs over-riding it; &
- Enable launch at startup & minimise to tray.
This has been the most successful solution for me so far, although some apps will occasionally continue to reset your icc profiles.
Lastly, make sure your monitor's hardware colour profiles are correctly selected in the OSD.
I used DisplayCAL over that
This only applies to gamma correction curves, color space transforms don't work in games in the first place.
Or I could just continue not caring
you mention this disc as if anyone has an optical drive these days
And yet they still ship the disc and he immediately mentions the files are online too so...
I do
@@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy thanks for the recap genius
I do 😢
@@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy my Lenovo came without a disc.
This video is kind of misleading, if your monitor has a gamut of 99% sRGB (I have a LG 29WK600) and nothing else, the profile you should use is in fact sRGB or the one provided by your monitor. Color profiles are unique, to have yours, you need to have some advanced tools to calibrate your monitor and get a profile unique to your monitor, there's no such a thing to download someone's else profile. Another thing to pay special attention, whatever you do in whatever software you have to edit a photo, you *ALWAYS* export in sRGB. The exact same applies if you monitor can handle different color profiles, always export in sRGB.
I love these videos they’re always something I didn’t really know, it’s never beating off to a dead horse
i dot think thats how you say it
lmao yeah quote is not that chief
@@TheKing29102 Did you win the lottery
Idk what you guys are talking about. Beating off to dead horses is the best ❤️
Get help
Finally hes back
Best how to's on the whole damn internet!
@@Adrien_broner facts
before I watch this video, just wanted to let you know that my monitor is upside down, with inverted colors, flashing ridiculously fast and the power isn't plugged in. When I tried to call the manufacture, they said to insert the floppy disk for the serial number and I just cant boot into my pc because my windows is expired and its asking to verify my credit card with PayPal to continue so i'm stuck help
Spray it with WD-40
Sounds like you need to shampoo it and wash its a little dirty, fixed it for me.
you're low on wiper fluid
@@creekboi7 blinker fluid*
Who the F still uses Floppy disk in 2021?
4:05 The exact moment when you can hear Theo SINGING
You pay so much attention you must be really good at concentration 😂
vibrato
@@TheAsianKidxD No, I had it playing in the background while I was busy with something and when I took a 10 second break just to gather my thoughts I heard that bit and I was like "Wait a sec...Rewind that..." so no, it all happened by a sheer coincidence. The universe just works like that - it'd be foolish to deny that there are materias and forces that are above us and beyond our current understanding, lol
@@Vla3d Thanks bro you made me laugh!! 🤣🤣
lol
Now that you've explained color profiles, how about how to sync these profiles to your printer so that your printer is printing what you are seeing on your monitor. That's the most overlooked feature of having a PC and printer.
Could you explain it? Can’t find a decent guide
People still use printers?
@@brownsterring9259 Aside from the obvious, people who understand not having physical copies of important information is a disaster waiting to happen.
@@brownsterring9259 Well, how the hell are u gonna print something out if u don't have a printer?!
Some newly released monitors don't have CD installers included anymore.
Yes unfortunately that is a pity. Because it is missing something important to install.
@@Jakef100f my monitor had to be calibrated with i1 display pro same goes with tv to further correct it.
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@@ElectricityTasteryeah, what gave it away? My content or my spelling? if it was my spelling please tell me, i always want to improve my english
@@xeonitas "ist" overwhelming should be is. Originale nichtskönner!
It's fine; few have monitors that even cover sRGB that well.
I love it when the notification show's up "someone" liked your comment and you have a new subscriber""......🥺🥺
And I hate spammers like you
And I hate you
Sthu 😂
You know what else I love about the old photo viewer?! You could right click on the photo and select an option to take you to that file so that you can easily locate it in a sea of photos when trying to separate them into another directory or something
Joe your channel is why RUclips was made. Knowledge and good contents I would have to pay some money for, so thank you for quaility Knowledge.
Hope you win top youtube awards.
@LJB018 that's true, but you can always modify what you subscribe for, that way you would be surprised by what pops on your recommendation.
Thanks to @youtube, this is where I learnt how to be a
- Graphics Designer
- Video editor
- Front End dev
- WordPress dev
- UI , UX , Figma designer
- Wikipedia dev
Enjoy music and football latest news.
Thanks to them
He used to make funny fake tech content unironically and youtube told him to stop making satire content cause people actually do it
@@lemonadestandclips3349 - I doubt "RUclips told him", cause there are worse examples on RUclips that keep going and get monetized and all.
If you were using sRGB you weren't doing it wrong because the point of color management is to ensure that printed output matches on-screen display as much as possible. You wouldn't be embedding your monitor-specific ICC profile to images you intend to share because on all screens other than yours the colors would be way off. If you pay close attention to the "color management" right around 16:05 settings you will see that windows defaults to sRGB for all instances where there is no embedded profile (and the program supports color management) or where the program doesn't support color management.
The other thing that this long video doesn't mention is ensuring that your monitor is connected by DisplayPort (at least) and that your video card supports 10-bit per channel color. Not all video cards will support 10bpc color, most only do 8bpc. This setting is changed in your driver settings for your particular video card/GPU. Without 10bpc enabled your monitor won't be allowed to display more colors even if it supports them.
Nicely done 😊
Whenever I already know Joe's content I'm like:
"Sometimes my genius is... it's almost frightening."~Top Gear.
Using a color profile without calibrating and profiling the monitor with some qualified measuring device (colorimeter or better spectrophotometer) is absolutely useless.
I... I didn't get any disc with my monitor...
I proudly carried those CRT monitors while walking up steps when I was a bit younger and smaller :) You did a good job explaining many important details here Joe. I think the big companies who are pushing people to create more videos, and to add sharp images/videos from content sites to them, will put another level of complexity to the color space for many companies overall as well.
CRT monitor also fits perfectly in the car seat and can wear a seat belt! Facts!
95 percent of the time you don't need them
You need them every day, every minute!
Very useful video ThioJoe 😎😎😎
or go to device manager, find monitor, expand, go on plug and play, and go instal driver for monitor, and you are done...
I appreciate that he speaks at the speed he does clearly and comprehensively. Other RUclipsrs I have to speed 'em up to 1.25 or 1.5. He sounds like most people's 1.25x speeds :)
Watched on 1.5 and saw that comment :D
honestly i just watch at 2x speed and i cant go back to regular speed, its just so slow
@@heliqs_ same
Setting the supplied profile for your monitor is of no use as soon as you're changing the white balance and color settings on the monitor itself. You can have the correct profile set but still have terrible colors on screen.
I like how this channel went from absolute troll to what it is today and actually providing some detailed information to general audience.
I was thinking that lmao this guy made a career chatting shit but in an entertaining way lol
?????? troll? Even Linus says Thio is brighter than him. I can't remember not learning from Thio.
@@noheader old theo (2007 i thnk) was a troll but now he is more like a tech tips ofc its because now days those kind of channels got nuked by ty lol
@@noheader He literally had troll videos saying bs where he reverses at the end with a gotchya
@@noheader The thing with Thio is he learns things that arent even true much of the time. Thats how much he knows.
I have a headache after watching this.
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me who has a TV for a monitor *interesting*
Even though I may be using my monitor "wrong", I personally hate how certain colors look with the provided color profile (for example, it makes blues look like purple) so I'm sticking with sRGB anyways. Although that's only with the current Samsung CRG5 I'm using so other monitors may look better with their provided color profiles.
mine too
Dude... I've been nonstop around PCs and technology for about 15 years now and this is the first time I've heard someone talking about this. Awesome video my man.
I downloaded the ICC file from the manufacturer and as soon as I applied it, the look of the monitor changed. But it was slight.
You should be using MacOS cause that does not happen on Windows.
You are correct, Advanced Color is for HDR, but you _would_ want that if your monitor supports HDR; otherwise, you won't have an ICC profile when in HDR mode. Pretty sure you need a separate calibration under HDR to have the correct ICC profile for it, but I'm not sure. The difference between SDR and HDR modes is luminance. I think WCG (wide color gamut) is what your ICC profile manages in general, and it's good to calibrate in both conditions.
especially if you have an LCD since HDR mode means increased backlight brightness, which shifts gamma
Well this will come in handy when I'll be getting my own desktop computer, with multiple operating systems.
@Prit Kumar Of course I will have it in it. I can't just use windows all the time. I like to switch between Windows and Linux, now that I made a bootable usb drive.
I know I'm a bit late since this video, but I hope you can help me out...
When I turn on HDR, it overrides ICC...
Why is this?
Thanks in advance.
Love the content. Where other tech tubers struggle with fresh content, you seem to find a way to give useful relevant information so thank you for that. We get better watching your videos, so keep it up!
Dude recycles ideas more than baby hippos recycle poop.
@@ablazedguy why are you here then?
I just added the ICC profile to my Color Management but I am wondering do I need to adjust the monitor settings also? What about my NVIDIA gpu color settings? I have the Asus vg27a1a TUF monitor with a lot of settings and I've never been able to get the Color right. As always Thank you for the great Thio!!
Absolutely awesome video. I never installed any monitor software and I just did after watching your segment, my current Alienware 3420DW has a very colour gamut 138% sRGB mode, in addition to a high DCP3 colour gamut….after installing the software I noticed my web browsing has become slightly more vibrant and some colours pop more…..doing my home photo’s with Adobe software…..is day and night difference. What I see and print is more accurate and less oversaturated in areas. Great video ThioJoe 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥳🎉👍
Actually it should pop less. Browsers most CSS stuff is sRGB only.
I don't think I bought a monitor that ever had a DVD included
I genuinely thought the "drivers" that came with monitors was silly and useless. Booyyyy I was ignorant. This was enlightening. Thank you!
it should be more apparent that you should use them. Windows on default uses some generic settings/drivers, probably so you can actually install the proper profile (you need to see what is happening on the computer, to install drivers)
so most people who dont install monitor drivers, just see these standard generic windows drivers, that are there just so your monitor can work at all
It's good to know just how many thing's I'm using wrong on my computer 😉
Do you play cr?
Yeah this will be useful, for when I'll be making my own desktop computer with Windows and Linux on it.
@@windowsxpprofessional u a Windows XP professionals? What's cr?
@@pyp2205 while the file wasn't shipped with my Asus MX279 monitors it was a download from the Asus site. Can confirm it makes a difference
@@windowsxpprofessional **activates the trap card Wannacry** 😜
I got a disc I didnt throw it but
I dont have a disc on my pc
This is really well researched, great job! One thing you missed, is some monitors have different colorspaces in the OSD menu and that needs to align with your icc profile.
Ideally only the auto HW on display is there, like on LG C9 :) 3DLUT inside is calibratable.
YOU ARE A LEGEND!!!
QUESTION: I don't know why but the image on photoshop after color grading looks amazing, when I export it... it doesnt look as vibrant on my desktop & even worse on my iphone... its on srgb so I dont know the problem :(
even when I have no program running in the foreground, then also my laptop uses more than 50 % memory.I have 8GB RAM . Is it okay?
No. Get atleast 16GB
we have the same thing, i have 55% memory even without any apps running
Me with 16GB: I don't care about those small things
I prefer the saturated look so I gave up ICCs. Everything is sRGB, Steam, browsers and apps. It just looks so damn flat with ICC activated, I know it's "proper" but if my monitor can push more color I'm gonna let it!
I've noticed so many issues with the new Windows Photo app ever since Win10 came out. A lot has been fixed, but I'm confused why the color issue still hasn't been fixed...after all these years!!
In my experience, these manufacturer-supplied color profiles don't work all that well because of manufacturing differences in individual monitors of the same model of monitor. For example, just one of my Asus VS229 monitors had a significant greenish cast. Thus there is no substitute for a monitor calibration device.
Fun is, when the manufacturer/model info is unknown.
This info can be usually found in the monitor's menu.
if i understand correctly, that's probably cause you didn't install monitor drivers.
@@Necdasar It was a no-name/none-branded monitor, originally purchased for testing of old VGA DOS machines. I got it used from a computer store that went out of business. It didn't come with drivers and didn't need them for DOS. No FCC info, or anything. The OSD chip must be defective as I've never been able to access a menu. For my purposes though, it works, I put a comment in about how fun it can be when the manufacturer and model number is unknown. It used to be that monitors would identify themselves in Windows. It would be nice if they did that again.
Imagine still having a disk or dvd drive on your pc or laptop.
I have one on my first ever gaming build, back in 2013. I use it for making MP4's and MP3's for my own viewing and listening pleasure. That computer cannot run the latest games, but sure is good for photography and video. I'm just about to move my Windows install over to my other more modern with the same specs of ASROCK B450M Pro4 with RYZEN 2600 6 core 12 threads on a NVIDIA 1660 Card of the computer I am using now. I have a 850Watt power supply to install today into the other one. This will save dual booting Windows with Linux, Linux being my main go to OS, Windows used for gaming the latest Triple A games. Keeping both separate makes sense, as both would benefit having their own space. I use ICY Dock which can mount SSD's at the front of the computer, meaning I can pull out Windows and put it into my other build, without the hassle of reinstalling. I feel that at the moment Proton is not quite there yet for Windows games in Linux, still loads of mucking around with code to get games to run. I'm hoping that by 2025 when Windows 10 is no more, that Proton will be sorted out to play the latest games out of the bag, with no mention of tweaking or mucking around with code to get the game to work.
So true
Is this still an issue in 2022 ? I thought via PnP all color devices (printer, scanner, cameras and monitors) send their properties over EDID or DDC?
Isn’t that enough for color correction or doesn’t it do anything regarding Gamut, color and Gamma?
NOTE: As of Firefox 89, Firefox does NOT need to be configured as it reads from the operating system automatically.
I can't even remember the last time a monitor I bought came with a disk. My last 3 or 4 had nothing with it. Not only that, I don't have a disk drive anymore either.
Learned about it half a year ago when I began to use a second monitor.
It´s so easy and so quick to do, but just because it already works when we plug it in everyone tends to ignore it.
When you don't have the CD that came with your monitor and you can't find the profile from LG themselves and you can't find a third party one...
(I have the LG 24LN451B if anyone can help me)
Thank You for all of your videos that you did. I am enjoying all of them
My laptop supports 100% Dci p3 so i need to install on windows 11? Where to find download 😊✌️
Chrome actually treats untagged content as sRGB by default, so everything will be color managed without having to change any extra settings. Firefox doesn't do this, but you can change a setting in about:config to get the same behavior.
about://config*
@@russianyoutube It's about:config. And Chrome was unable to do this for years making Firefox (after the tweak) the only fully color-managed browser.
@@russianyoutube that gives me an invalid URL error, lol who told you that was correct? it's not lol
Chrome still shows me oversaturated colours though. Having the icm installed or not does not make a single difference.
I now use novideo srgb clamp which works fine. It can also use the manufacture icm file to base the clamp on instead of edid values and if I do that it sticks to P3 on srgb mode :\
And about Windows colour management. If the colour profile has colour correction, I find it much more reliable if you install DisplayCAL to use it's LUT loader which would auto reload the correction if it drops for some reason, even if you don't use it to generate the profile (and it's really often the correction would be dropped by Windows, weirdly).
Though if you do have a colorimeter, even if you do use DisplayCAL to generate profile rather than the official tool, you should still install the official tool to get the reference file which it is said to allow better accuracy.
I don't have a disc port whatsoever in my pc lmfao
Wow this is deep! It answered a question I have had though. I had no idea how to install the Adobe color profile. Thank you for showing how to do this.
I can't find it on the lg cd I have a 24ML 44B-B monitor. I am also using the built in cpu video display intel So how do you install it from the cd?
This is one of those areas of computing that is shrouded in so much mystery because it is deeply technical and has never really been translated to normal users. Thanks for clearing some of the fog. Luckily the Mac color dialog is waaaaay more straight-forward. :-)
Also: Why is this data not embedded somewhere that EDID can get to it? What's a 1MB ROM chip cost now??
Thank you so much. I've always had issues with my monitor regarding colour banding and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. But when I tried this video it was immediately fixed and my monitor looks so much better. I can't thank you enough!
Why don't you learn English Joe? The title of this video should be, "You're using your monitor incorrectly."
When I overclocked my screen in the Nvidia Control Panel, the colors of my screen automatically seemed "stronger" than before and I actually prefer that.
Yep, I also got HDR10 and 700hz boost. It's not easy to find that in Nvidia Control Panel ofc.
@@privettoli because there is no HDR10 in Nvidia control panel.
How to overclock monitor give tips&tricks to increase FPS
you have to overclock you graphics card to get more fps just search on youtube how to overclock (your graphics card) correctly
@@Luka-wg2zm u can oc the monitor as well
@@sunnycyberbum yeah but how
It's very hard, people can't sometimes even do it because you have to dissasemble the monitor and more
And by the way, overclocking DOESN'T increase any FPS.
Problem is, how do I read that disc? 😂
You always amaze me man !!!
1:07 what is that thing for on the monitor? Obviously color calibration but how does it work and how would you use it?
Hello Theo, love your videos, Cheers from Australia.. 🌏🙂
my monitor is a exclusiv "ELM22F8" and i cannot fins that profile :(
When I installed the profile for my secondary monitor, the colors shifted. But I was happy since the white are now white. So thank you random redditor that I gave all my faith in
Can you give a link to the icc profile in question? I wanna try it out
@@1ndictus445 i doubt you have the exact same monitor as this person
if you watched the video, you would know that these icc profiles are made especially for specific monitors, so if you dont have the **exact** same model of a monitor, it will maybe even look worse
@@wojtekpolska1013 I see
It's not included in Windows Update ? Sound weird, I mean the CD is mainly for offline driver install
Curious thing is that, now that I built my first PC, I got into icc profiles a week or two before this video, and now ThioJoe drops this video. Pretty curious, huh? It's nice that more people know about icc profiles and get a chance to have a better color experience. Thanks!
What if your using a 50 in 4k tv as a monitor is Adobe RBG good or what else should I choose
0:06 NANI?! i havent used CD for 10+ years. lol
If you don't have a 10bit display installing a profile will add awful banding on gradients, so no thanks.
When I got my first CRT VGA monitor many years ago, it came with a special calibration program and a vinyl rectangle that you were supposed to stick on the screen. The program would then display different images and you were supposed to click on the square that most closely matched the vinyl piece. After you were done, your monitor was supposedly perfectly calibrated. The only problem was that the image was way too dark. Dark areas of photos appeared black, I couldn't see what I was doing in dimly lit areas of games, I couldn't tell most color gradients apart, etc.
The last monitor that I actually bought, which was also a CRT, didn't come with any disk. Since then, I've gotten my monitors free from the trash. Right now, I'm using a 19" Dell 4:3 LCD display. I have larger ones, 16:9 ones, but this is what I'm used to. In any case, I have an OLD computer which didn't come with color management software built into Windows and Microsoft has long since scrubbed any trace of it from their site in their quest to pretend that old versions of Windows never existed.
Where can i find a icc profile from a LG CX ?
I game on TV and i my have overwritten the icc profile to standerd.
Nope, I'm not using my monitor wrong. Have to dislike your video for the catchy title, sorry but it is what it is.
Like and dislike is the same for RUclips, what it matters is the reaction, it is what it is. 😎
So you're pro misleading people for profit? Says a lot about your character@@TheForce_Productions
@@PunkrockNoir-ss2pq I guess ometimes profits justify methods...
meanwhile colorblind people: this video looks useful
But usually the ICC profiles that manufacturers give you is an oversaturated mess anyway.
So if I install an ICC profile will sRGB oversaturation be fixed?
I didn't _ignore_ the disc. I just didn't have a disc drive since like 2012.
OMG Windows 11 color profiles were not working at all, despite using a calibrator, and it was driving me crazy, until I went into that setting and checked "use Windows display calibration". Thank you! I could not use my I could not use my $5000 Sony OLED monitor to do any work for weeks until I found this video!
What disk? My monitors haven't come with disks since 2015.
One thing I’d like to know is if your using a tv as your monitor, (like many of us do today, or at least some), can you get a profile for your model tv to download even if it’s a somewhat older tv? (3-4 years) it’s a great tv and I love it and I’ve used all The feature modes to get pictures depending on what I’m using it for and set up profiles for each input (cable, gaming, pc etc) but never thought to set a profile on windows itself for the tv? Can that be done? Thanks!
Do I need to change the
monitor's color settings in OSD (Presets to be exact)?
What DVD? I got only HDMI and DP, and a paper saying it's a plug and play device
But this is not including laptop monitors? Only separate add on monitors right ?
What? My monitor did not come with some cd wtf. I have asus 49 inch ultrawide
man i am not sure if he is reformed or still teaching kids to break their shit lmaoo