The Batman - SPOILER Talk!
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Now that THE BATMAN is out, let's talk about the more spoiler-ish elements of this movie!
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REVIEW THE LONG HALLOWEEN PART 2 YOU COWARD
To this day they've never brought to life the real character of Batman. We had glimpses of it but never the full persona of Batman; the immense rage under control, the right voice tone, the physical body and skills, the fear presence, the gadgets, the detective and genius mind, the sadness disguised with hope. This is a good thriller movie but a bad Batman movie.
I miss the end punch. Why you stop that?
Hey. Jeremy. Release your Robin Williams trailer as the Riddler. It was great.
Hasn't mcu ceased to be special?
I really like the twist that he inspired his villains. He realizes that his whole vengeance message is inspiring the wrong people and at the end he turns to inspire hope. A good character arc that make me excited to see the future of this character
It took the idea of escalation from Batman Begins and really ran with it. The Joker gang was also a great example of this.
Well said. Yeah, it was really well done.
This x1000
Same, that maybe my favorite story element of the movie. I think that is setting up him developing the playboy-Bruce persona in the sequels also.
@@samgraef3028 so much this, I feel this Bruce Wayne has never sucesfully dated. Selina means a lot to him because it is the only woman he has connected with and he does that as Batman. I loved that.
Pattinson’s acting when he thought the riddler found out his identity was so good. He looked so scared that his identity was found out, and then you see his facial expression change so fast when he realizes riddler doesn’t know.
One of the best scenes
Thankfully even if he knew, and if he ever told anyone, he'd be spoiling the answer to the greatest riddle of all. So Bruce has nothing to worry about.
@@zachryder3150 well riddler did know at the end
@@uajrh1 how did he know ?
@@drumloverable idk but he knew when he was in his cell
I never took it as him calling himself literally "vengeance." He's just describing what he is, not who he is. He clearly says the name Batman later in the movie.
Yeah, I don't get how people can watch the movie and walk away thinking his in-universe name is "vengeance". The Riddler and the news always called him Batman. The only person who actually called him vengeance is Catwoman as a joke.
But, he is also referred to as Vengance by several other characters.
@@lukeknudson6257 I remember him being referred to as "vengeance" by one character and it was, imo, used sarcastically every time. That character being Catwoman.
@@MrStealYourDonuts a bunch of people called him vengeance it wasn’t just catwoman
@@chaosapiant Penguin called him vengance multiple times
The opening narration of people committing crimes, then seeing the Bat signal in the sky, then fearfully looking into the shadows wondering if you know who was going to jump out was awesome 🦇
to me, none of that rang true.
ex: if crime is rampant....than the Batsignal would be on EVERY NIGHT.
ALL THE TIME.
Dumb concept, they ONLY Use cuz dumb canon.
also he shoudln't have said "FEAR IS A TOOL".
He should've said "FEAR IS A WEAPON".
Plus so much crime FEW criminals ever even experience Batman!
MY version of Batman has him ENDING each criminal, by saying "don't worry. I'm not going to KILL you. Death is humane. I'm just going to burn out your eyes and your crotch...using SULPHURIC ACID (!!!)....." and then he also know how to stomp their spines to make them quadraplegics for life!
"I want you to BEG FOR DEATH every moment for 80 years!"
And in the background of all scenes, are more thugs in wheelchairs and sunglasses, ergo, you SEE the results of Batman every day, via more crriminals who are blind and in wheelchairs, ha ha ha!
@@jonbongjovi1869 what drugs are you on?
@@iremainteague5653 I'm on a fabulous "drug"...... I think it's called YourMOM.....
@@jonbongjovi1869 What you said may have been the dumbest comment I've ever read.
@@jonbongjovi1869 OK ur the riddler 🤣
The first 10 mins really set the tone. Hearing Batman’s heavy foot steps in the dark coming made me giggle like a little kid again, the narration was also really good. 9/10 for me
what would have made it 10/10 for you?
i had it 10/10. the cinematography and sound was perfect for the character and is the most accurate batman movie we have out
@@elusana what makes a movie a perfect 10/10 is it has to immerse me the whole movie, I’d say just at 2 spots you felt the 2 hour and 55 min run time
@@PutTheFansToSleep145 I love this Batman interpretation, more realistic, a kid who had his parents killed in front of him would be silent and trauma blaming himself. He’s doesn’t see himself as Bruce Wayne but as a nocturnal animal
@@elusana If it embraces the comic booky aspects of Batman, it’d be 10/10 for sure
I think the point of this Batman feeling so different in this movie is that he’s still so young, still mad about his past and doesn’t seem like he’s done all of that harsh mental training that comics Batman has gone through. It feels like he hasn’t even begun to start to process all of his grief and other emotions that Batman has to conquer in order to be Batman. This Batman feels soooooo much like Geoff Johns’ Earth-2 Batman book down to an angrier Batman who hasn’t really figured out all his tech/how to be the best version of Batman he can be yet
People need to go into this Like they did Tom holland Spider-Man movies
@@Anthonycheesman33 Thats hard to do because Tom Holland didn’t get respect until NWH. People love Tobey and deservingly so, but the same case with Batman. People will always compare Bale to Rob until this trilogy is done. But from my perspective this movie was better than all of the Nolan movies and beats out the Dark Knight because of the cinematography.
@@PutTheFansToSleep145 I completely agree. The cinematography is just plainly astonishing. Oscar worthy. I enjoy its cinematography more than Nolan version.
In the prequel novel. Hes also trained by alfred
@@PutTheFansToSleep145 most people liked Tom hollands version before that lol.
The squirrel suit, and the failure to land perfectly made sense to me because it's still early in his career, Year Two. So most of everything that happened in this movie made sense...it was basically an origin story without the literal origin. This could have easily beena batman begins sequel if they hadn't jumped straight into The Dark Knight.
@Siddharth Sriram Ratio
@Siddharth Sriram tell me you were dropped in the head as a baby without telling me you were dropped in the head as baby
@Siddharth Sriram Almost every Batman film ever has had some form of suspension of disbelief. Most of your critiques are about the comic characters themselves. Batman has always worked with the detectives without being recognized as Bruce Wayne. Are you also upset that Clark Kent doesn’t get recognized as Superman? It seems to me like you went into this movie solely to tear it apart and not enjoy a single moment of it. And after you said there are no cool action sequences I’m not even sure you watched the whole film. It’s okay if it wasn’t your cup of tea but 3/10 is a laughable rating. I’d love to know what you would’ve done differently, without trying to replicate the almighty Nolan films.
@Siddharth Sriram You've already lost all credibility for an opinion so why do you want to go on? The only valid criticism you have is that Bruce Wayne wasn't done well. But for this version of batman that's not a problem. The cape is fine, batman being dumb at certain points is funny and theres this magical thing called "character growth" that you probably hate. The dark look fit the theme of the movie, you're on some copium if you think the one "woke" dialogue is a problem. The action was great when it was there, idk what problem you could have with it. Writing was great yes the screenplay has charm. You're just an old fart. And everything after that is nonsense. You must have just had a bad day before seeing the movie because you're completely out of it talking about this movie
My thoughts exactly. I thought Batman being kind of a nunce made perfect sense considering its his early days. Gadgets aren't refined, his interrogation isn't refined, his fights aren't refined and his executions aren't refined. It felt natural. And if his actions get more refined in next installment of the movie, it will be perfect. Its not like Bruce Wayne trained for 5-10 years and came back to become Batman.
“Vengeance” in this movie is called that because he refers to himself as Vengeance in order to instill fear. Near the end of the film, one of Riddlers social media henchmen refers to himself as Vengeance as well, revealing to Batman that this moniker, instead of instilling fear in criminals, encouraged more to become masked vigilantes, for better or worse (worse in this case).
The scene in which Batman is helping survivors at the end, specifically the kid holding onto Batman’s arm as he was airlifted away, juxtaposed the innocent man at the Subway at the beginning of the film, fearing Batman even after being saved. Batman reflects his true purpose through this: Gotham needs him as a symbol of Hope, not Fear. “Vengeance” is Fear; “Batman” is Hope. Thus, by the end of the film we are watching the man Vengeance become The Batman we know.
Beautifully said. I LOVED this movie!
"Batman" did more to harm the citizens at that event then the riddlers henchmen; e.g., dropping an entire roof worth of glass on a crowd of people that are literally stuck in water.
@@west4986 did they die? Shut up then
Great review, Cameron. I would like to see the darkness of the Bruce Wayne in this movie lighten up in the sequel. At this point, no one is really suspecting that he is The Batman. However, if he continues as he is, then someone is going to be able to eventually deduce it. I believe this movie gave us a peek into what is in store for the next installment. The character will grow as both a person as well as a super hero.
@@west4986 to be fair, it wouldn't be a Batman story without tons of most definitely lethal collateral damage, at this point it's just part of the character
Robert Pat did not disappoint IMO. The whole movie doesn’t feel like a superhero movie. It felt like a detective thriller, no clichés, just a good story to be told.
Ending was pretty cliche, but definitely not a deal breaker
@@pwnranger3496 ima be honest, I HATED the ending. The score (which was amazing most the time) turned into generic superhero orchestral, and it almost worked as a psychological thriller, i wish batman would just go full gothic horror like the comics though. Batman is an amazing character if you take the context of him being a superhero away. Just being a sociopath who dresses as a bat is already interesting
@@pwnranger3496 yeah, that’s where it felt like they thought they had to stick to a formula and they really didn’t.
he was the best part of the movie. Pat.
The reveal of the villian at the end was a little.... underwhelming... seemed like a last minute addition. But the movie as a whole is definately a 4.5/5. Acting was flawless character development was superb. Most definately not a comicbook movie at all. Its just a fantastic film experiance. So much taken from the long halloween
Props to the sound engineers. The scene where the Batmobile revs up filled me with childlike joy
There was a guy who stood up to go get some more popcorn or something, and when the Batmobile revved up, he turned and stood at the door, completely forgetting that he was going to leave. During the whole back-and-forth shot between Penguin’s face and the Batmobile, he sat back down because he wasn’t going to miss what was clearly an iconic moment in the making. And yeah, that whole bit was INSTANTLY iconic. Amazing sequence.
Yeh that sounded great
The whole movie theater shook. Will be a great scene for those with high end home theater setups.
That scene gave me goosebumps no lie the theater seats felt like they were shaking
best part of the movie for me, i got chills
So many spine tingling moments in this movie. Batman’s first monologue, introduction of the batmobile, Batman helping people out of the flooded stadium. Great stuff
Batman keeps thinking he can walk into the front door..
yeah, seeing K.I.T.T. in a movie was pretty cool. Even used the turbo boost!
The batmobile was total shit... just some hobby weekend car tuner's wet dream, no business being in a freaking batman movie!
@@f.k.6241 I'm a muscle car enthusiast and a longtime batman fan. And yes... that Batmobile scene was my wet dream. If you had any idea about Stephen King's Christine you would've understood the symbolism.
@@f.k.6241 lol it was his second year as Batman
The movie really suprised me. I never would have expected that this story's theme would be "Batman needs to be a hero and not a vigilante". It goes so deep into what makes Batman Batman, something that normally isn't explored that much. He inspires the wrong kind of people and needs to be more than just a guy that beats up random criminals for his mission to succeed. It makes his no killing rule make more sense, since not only does he want to stop bad guys to get a sense of revenge, but rather make Gotham a better place. It feels like one of the most comic book accurate versions of Batman ever, even in the sort of hyper realistic world he lives in. Like he could do the things animated Batman did, unlike almost all other movie Batmen.
He learns that other people suffered the same or even more than him because they didn't have his wealth and an Alfred to fall back on. He learns to be more empathetic, which is something Batman always has been at his core. One of the best portrayals of Batman ever and I honestly can't wait for more.
WB please write a blank check to Reeves, Pattinson and Kravitz (she was awesome too, loved what they did with Selina) and let them do as many more of these as they want.
Really good take. Loved the movie
@Siddharth Sriram i bet you just love to be edgy
@Siddharth Sriram Calling it nihilistic is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. It's literally the exact opposite.
@Siddharth Sriram thank you! And yall mad cuz he right, your on point with the cliché thing because they literally copied the 7, Zodiac, TDK Trilogy and didn't do any of those story beats as good as those movies. I felt nothing watching this movie and I agree with your review js.
@@Xzado11 bruh this whole movie wanted to be edgy af playing that nirvana song twice really hammered it home for you im sure
I think he does feel like a mythical Batman tho. In the beginning of the film it’s shown that ppl are scared of him, thinking he’s in the shadows in multiple places at once. That fear strikes ppl down cold
Agreed
I don’t think he felt like that after that cause he goes in front of 50 cops walking around and goes to a club john wick style, he also knocks on the door
@@damianpiedrahita924 Exactly! They showed in the beginning that he lies in the shadows with that incredible monologue. But what they showcase minutes after that is Batman coming and fighting head on. He didn't use the shadows at all in the movie barring one scene in iceberg lounge. Rest all he fought head on. From my pov, it was contradictory tbh.
@@damianpiedrahita924 I think that you felt it because the POV shifts to Batman completely. You're looking at this story from his perspective. Which includes the part that he is a human after all and capable of making mistakes.
And the reason I think he walks into the club, is because he believes it that he's unstoppable as Batman. And it changes when he infiltrates for the 3rd time undercover.
@@kingofhits6164 That was deliberate though. He's still rough around the edges, emotionally and physically in his second year.
As a huge fan of the comics, I personally thought that Pattinson felt like Batman. He was quiet, contemplative, and kept to himself. The way he carried himself and the way he said things just felt like a comic book to me. Comic book Batman has a hard exterior and doesn't want to let on to anyone that he has feelings and emotions, and I thought Pattinson portrayed that very well.
Very much agreed. This felt true to the comics, imho
THIS!! Couldn’t have said it better myself
I haven't really read the comics, it's cool hearing your opinion.
I love the fact he had narration that is what he puts down in his journal explaining his ideals as they come to him on being the Batman. It's a great way to feel or understand what Bruce is thinking and also is a great way to give you a comic book feel to a movie without it being to gimmicky.
@@johnmassey9639 Yeah that was one of my favorite parts. Just like a comic
can we just agree that having no weird flashbacks with his parents to much was great, i really liked how it jus jumped right to it and twisted up a bit. also riddler was pretty dope, didn’t expect him to be so dark was pretty wicked
They actually released a prequel novel for The Batman, and there's a great video that breaks the whole thing down.
Turns out Bruce was a street racer from the age of 16, and he built the Batmobile over time, but it wasn't intended to be the Batmobile, just a restoration project of an old muscle car. There was also a street racer girl he cared for. And Alfred taught him to fight, but Bruce travelled across the world and went to different universities to keep learning different subjects, and he picked up the local martial arts for each country he went to. Pretty awesome stuff!
whats it called?
Name?? I’d love to read it.
So it is like a mix between Earth One and his more usual origins?
@@medalgear654 Before the Batman
@@erickamakeeaina1649 Yup. The Martha plot was also taken from there but I think u already know that.
I know you said you couldn't get to every plot point, but I'm honestly shocked that you didn't mention the moment in the finale where the Riddler goon said "I'm vengeance" and Patman had his turning point. When he cut the line with the batarang and went into the water, it felt like the vengeful Batman died, and emerged from the water the hero that the people of Gotham needed. When he lit that flare and started saving everyone, and we got that beautiful birds eye shot of everyone coming out of the rubble, I was almost in tears. It was so powerful to me. We hardly ever get to see Batman save people. You know, being a superhero! You watched him develop empathy for the child of the Mayor throughout the film because he reminded Bruce of his younger self. Then he grows close with Alfred and allows himself to open up and express that he cares for Alfred. His interactions with Selena are initially cold and unemotional, but the more she endures, the more Bruce feels for her and speaks to her in a concerning manner rather than a disconnected one. He grows so much throughout the film and it's beautiful. I like that with Homecoming as you mentioned, we're seeing heroes start before they learn rather than learn and then start. Batman Begins did a great job with the learn and then start method, but I think I like this more. You don't just go through your origin and then become the iconic hero. It happens over time. Your experiences change you and make you grow. I loved that about this film. Emotional pay-offs and strong character arcs are the best.
You were in tears wtf 🤣
This is perfectly put
Agreed, I loved that scene. He felt like a true hero.
@@alecoronel10 What's so wrong with that? If thats the emotion he felt thats the emotion he felt.
That whole scene was great, but I could've done without the music swelling to hammer home the point. It's like subtlety suddenly died in the movie.
I loved that Batman actually had a character arc in this. At the beginning he was scaring everyone, even innocent people. But at the end he was helping people and giving hope to them. Realizing that he needs to be more than vengeance if he wants to inspire the right people. I think he'll apply this to his Bruce Wayne persona in the next film aswell and follow in his father's footsteps as a politician or humanitarian like he does in the telltale games.
I loved this movie, but I didnt feel he had a clear arc, I felt he just found out he had to change his ways, but didnt do anything about it. At the beginning he didnt try to scare anyone, he helped the innocent asian guy like in the end. the riddler talked about how he was a spoiled rich orphan, and in the end he ends up helping this maybe corrupt leader that we dont know anything about. He didnt solve the real problem, which was the corruption.
Yes yes yes, his Bruce Wayne will start caring as well
Wasn't it pretty heavily implied she was actually a good person? Her going out to try to motivate people.
"Say hi, Bruce."
"Hi, Bruce..."
😅
Haha wow that’s soooooo deep /s
This batman was more "comic book" young batman than any live action batman, ever.
This Batman felt a lot like Netflix Daredevil to me, which I love. They're both clearly very skilled, but they're just not perfect, physically or mentally. They make mistakes, they get hit, they get hurt. But they keep getting up and fighting until eventually they do win, no matter what sacrifices they have to make. One of the main things that makes Batman who he is and one of the things that I love about the character is that he is only human. Just one person taking on all the crime bosses in an entire city is pretty much impossible, let alone in the extended universe contending with gods and people with actual superpowers. But the one thing that sets Batman (and Daredevil) apart from the rest of us is that they refuse to give up, even if it kills them. I personally really like this take on Batman where he doesn't feel like this "unstoppable force" (at least not yet) because it really shows the CHARACTER of Batman, not just his skills or physical prowess. He's not unstoppable, but that won't stop him from trying. And btw, I don't think the 2 years thing really matters; the point is that he's still starting out, doesn't matter how long he's actually been Batman. And maybe he isn't unstoppable even after 2 years because he was trained by Alfred instead of master assassins. If you compare this Batman to like Ben Affleck's, that one was unstoppable, insanely skilled and powerful. And that was really really cool, but that's about it. In my opinion, there wasn't much to his character. And that's why probably the only thing I've seen more than once from that entire character's screentime was that warehouse scene (cause it was so cool). In this Batman, I think they're starting out on a GREAT foot, because let's be real, there are definitely going to be sequels, and I bet this Batman will be unstoppable eventually. But starting it out this way, showing Batman's character more than his abilities, just gives us someone to root for, more so than any other on-screen Batman I feel. And when he does become unstoppable, we will all have seen and experienced and felt this progress. It will have been earned.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed this. That's probably the reason this is my favorite version of batman. Truth be told I've never been the biggest batman fan, I think he's a wildly overrated character. That's only exacerbated by the fact that he has to be so inhumanly, god damn perfect, at least physically and martially speaking that is. Such a tired trope that I'm glad to see go.
Someone who gets why this arc needed a major reboot and update.
Even Batman has to earn his wings, man.
Totally agree. When the movie got described as "Young Batman, super angry" my hype died immediately. It is such a clichee story that has been done a bunch of times. But this movie really took that concept and ran a marathon with it. Rarely does Batman have a character arc, and there are multiple in this one, from learning to care about Alfred to the "Am i actually Vengeance" question. I believe this movie is extremely solid, like a really good 7/10 or 8/10. To me, it was absolutely perfect, a full 10/10, just because i love the way this movie was build, designed and shot. I adore it.
That said, i do have 3 small problems; Alfred should have thrown the bomb the second he saw "To The Batman", he was on this case with Bruce from the beginning. Should've recognised and acted in an instant instead of checking out the packaging to see a red blinking dot. That was the only moment that actually felt cheap to me.
Second, i could've really gone without the Joker. Unless it's Cameron Monaghan, i am not interested and i really could use some pause from that particular villain.
And third, i really do not like a Batman that is impervious to bullets. Bulletproof, sure. Walking through automated gunfire uninhibited, that's Supermans/WWs business. I would have liked a few scenes of recuperation and pain actually hindering him. As is, he withstood shotgun blasts. That's a bit much. I hope the next installment has hima bit less tanky and more dodgy.
@@Hunterfalke And I absolutely agree with you. I didn't mind the Alfred bomb thing, and I feel like even if he did throw it, it was such a big explosion it probably wouldn't have done much. But I do also think we could use a break from the Joker, and I did appreciate that they decided to go pretty much exclusively with a much more underused and misused villain (Riddler) and do the character right this time. Although the Joker tease was more than likely just studio interference ("it's Batman, we gotta have a Joker"), I feel like it was really the only studio interference this movie had, which is actually amazing nowadays. The thing I most agree with what you just said (and probably my biggest / only major problem with this movie) is the bulletproof thing. I'd say it's not too unrealistic (for Batman that is, not a normal person in the real world), but it did kind of detract from his physical vulnerability (but mental fortitude) that I mentioned. It was good that they did show him getting worn out by the end. And actually, the suit being bulletproof is what I think isn't too unrealistic; the exposed mouth is extremely unrealistic. There's no way that all those bullets didn't shatter/ricochet and send shrapnel into his mouth/eyes. But anyway, like you said hopefully they move away from that in the sequel. Maybe with the city flooded and shut down, his suit will be damaged and he can't get those expensive materials shipped in to repair it, so he'll have to be more dodgy, or something like that.
No this batman cant fight for shit
Am I the only who felt like this was like reading the comic itself? I felt like I was 8 again reading a Batman comic in bed late at night under the blanket with a flashlight.
I was completely amazed by the dark noir feel the movie had with Batman narrating just like reading the comic itself, I can not stop making that reference. This movie was beautiful and I never felt like Rob Pat was ever gonna do bad, but he did amazing.
The entire cast can get a thumbs up for me.
Of all the comic movies I've seen, this one felt the most like a comic book slapped onto the screen. Even the way it ended felt like the way I've seen other comics and graphic novels end, without the same crazy shot of the hero flying right at the camera or whatever. Great film.
Riddlers plan literally feels like a 60s Comic ok but I was totally on board
@@chonchjohnch I see your point yet appreciate that his plan wasn’t “poisoning the water supply” or was reliant on incomprehensible tech:)
That's exactly how it felt, like the old, "hardboiled," comics, when he wore blue and grey and dealt with seriall killers.
For me it felt like a Batman Arkham game
One thing everyone has still slept on is the sound design. The ominous walking of batman out of the shadows, the thundering engine of the Batmobile was just chef's kiss
The batmobile scene legit made me smile like a little kid and the boots sloshing in the rain…10/10
Yes the sound design is awesome!!
It really felt a horror movie when the Batmobile first fired up because of those little touches in the sound design. It felt like if the car from Christine had somehow become a Batmobile.
My whole theatre was shaking it was insane
The sounds and the rumbling, the aggressive scene-specific music, the now-iconic shadow boot noise walk. This movie was fucking sick.
I was afraid his car wasn’t gonna be cool based off the trailer, 2022 batmobile is cool as hell.
The riddler interrogation scene is quite excellent. You think riddler has sussed out Batman’s identity and it’s played perfectly, along with the reveal that this riddler understands that Batman is the main identity.
Having just seen this movie then reading year one shortly after, I get what you’re saying about batman not feeling quite right, but I think it makes sense in the film.
I know Robert Pattinson is like 33, but he looks 20. In the movie I take it as he is more than capable of becoming the ultimate badass batman, and in some moments it really shows, like the car chase, but he’s still learning.
He makes mistakes, he gets hurt, but he’s still batman
This Batman felt raw and young, I think that's how he should have felt considering its only been 2 years and he evolved/changed as the movie went on. His interaction with Selina changed him, almost losing Alfred changed him, and then near the end when one of the shooters referred to themselves as vengeance that really impacted Batman. I think we're going to see this Batman continue to grow/evolve into a more familiar Batman. Frickin love that we FINALLY got to see the real detective side of Batman; the way he observed and took in everything; wonderfully done. The fighting was so frickin brutal.
Pretty sure that dude who called himself vengeance is the same guy in the church that Bruce talks to. I could be wrong but they looked a like.
And quite possibly the most mortal Batman on the big screen, especially when he gasped "oh shit" when he got out the window before putting on the squirrel suit.
@@connordougherty9860 You're right. Guy was mouthing off about rich folks to the richest dude in town. Lol
Like how he solved the riddles super fast. Showing that he didn't just train his body, but his mind too.
Yeah I think that some people like Jeremy feel that Batman should have it all together by Year Two and Year One shouldve been when hes at his rawest.
Kinda took the 1 dimensional Batman/Wayne aspect to be intentional. He’s tormented by his parents murder and adopting this vengeance persona, shutting everyone he cares about out and relying solely on fear until Alfred gets hurt because of it which opens his eyes somewhat. During the climax after sacrificing himself and “baptising” in the flood he resurfaces, not as vengeance but as Batman, with a new outlook to inspire hope not just fear. This is why I feel we’ll see a much more fleshed out interpretation moving forward. I thought it was really well done in that regard.
I the you mean batising
But that makes him complex character therefore he wasn't 1-dimensional.
@@ExtremeMadnessX I meant the assumption from others that he felt one-dimensional
Beautifully said! I agree 100 percent!!
Very interesting. I like that 👌
I did notice the lack of time Alfred got as well but found myself caring a lot more about his survival because of Pattinson's acting while trying to reach him - audience didn't connect screentime with alfred but with his acting we felt it in a way that worked for me.
I absolutely loved it, and its so wonderfully paced that it doesn’t even feel like it’s a 3 hour long movie. I was hooked from start to finish and I was dead tired going in since I had very little sleep and I saw it late, but this woke me the fuck up. There was not one wasted scene in here, as far as for me at least. And I’ve gotta say, I really like the direction they took with Batman and that he hasn’t worked out the kinks of Bruce’s public persona yet, but you can tell he’s gonna work on that seeing as by the end of the film he’s steering more towards giving Gotham’s citizens hope. And I actually felt fear when Batman was lurking in the shadows, and no other Batman film has done that, it was an incredible fucking feeling seeing those moments from the criminals perspectives. I had no expectations going into this film, it was sick as fuck. 10/10 for me. I’m gonna go see it again.
That's great you enjoyed it. But I felt like it was really slowly paced in some parts but everything else is great
The car chase sequence between the Penguin and Batman is one of the best sequences I’ve ever seen. With the score in the background playing, it was absolutely riveting and very entertaining to watch.
I liked the one from batman v Superman better
@@brokenSnake
That is nowhere near as good. The Batman had a feeling of being grounded in reality even though it was a six foot tall man running around dressed up as a bat.
And what about the truck chase in TDK???
@@brokenSnake Not even close
@@brokenSnake I agree
The idea of Riddler centering his killings around stuff like vlogs and livestreams was such a good juxtaposition between what he thought were Batman-like acts of vigilantism vs. the fact they were cold-blooded murders
It's something I'm surprised the comics haven't done
The comics have portrayed Riddler like the insanely smart guy with a superiority complex and he can't accept defeat... I don't think anybody thought that it can work like that... this is like the holiday killer, hush, zodiac killer and John Doe mixed into one singular character which worked really well in the movie..
@@SK008 Technically despite the obvious influences from stuff like Hush and the real life Zodiac Killer, there is a lot of Earth One Riddler and New 52 in this interpretation, since Earth One Riddler was also a serial killer who taunted the police with riddles, and Riddler in New 52 is established as someone who detests Gotham's elite. The entire third act where he floods the city is even pulled directly from Zero Year
As an old school fan, that twist on Riddler's take on the Batman 'doing his thing' was great writing along with the Wayne's story all came together nice :) the Third Act? I saw it as a way for Bruce/Batman do finally transform himself into a hero.
@@BushinRyuCat definitely, especially the speech he gave at the end about Vengence and he needs to give it up
my favorite thing about the riddler is that he’s almost smarter than batman, but he can’t help but leave clues behind because he thinks he’s so smart that no one will figure it out. and everytime, batman beats him. i love that dynamic, it was done really well in the arkham city game. excited to see this film.
I absolutely love that this film really showed how Batman is also a detective and not just a muscle bound guy in a suit.
A very bad detective
Bad detective...
I really loved the movie and now I would say Battison is my favorite Batman! The suit just looks more mobile and less rigid than previous ones and I love that the movie drives home the point that Bats for all his genius is in fact a truly damaged crazy guy. Really looking fwd to the sequels.
my favorite scene was at the end when Batman used the flare to lead people out the water and helping people out the wreckage. It was honestly the simplest yet most beautiful scene.
I was falling asleep by the end
bro it was so cliche
@@harveyalmond2252 yeah it was flat for sure
Get out of that flood into a new flood.
@@Daercoma what else was he supposed to do? fly everyone out? he’s not superman lol
One of my favorite parts of the movie was the beginning, when the bat signal was lit up and criminals all over the city started to literally get scared of shadows. That was chilling and something that could work pretty well for a Batman horror movie.
I literally felt the fear of the criminals. I went to see it in 4DX. Amazing time
I liked how the bat signal looked very makeshift and rough. It was just chunks of metal put together, carved and welded from the metal framing on the light itself. I thought it was super neat.
The monologs felt very Noir and I loved it. His detective work was finally the main focal point.
You're the first person i've heard talk about Alfred, and I actually felt the same way when I watched the movie. That like sudden "holy shit" moment when you really don't know if he's dead or not. i was actually genuinely surprised to see he lived, because in this rendition of Gotham it seemed completely feasible that he wouldn't survive
The first 10 minutes of this movie excelled in setting up the tone for the ride we were in for! When the signal was in the sky, and that masked robber was staring down the alley, I was legit scared for him. I was thinking, 'Dude! Get out of there! Run! You are so dead!'. They managed to make me feel sympathy for a faceless criminal because of how scary they made Batman in this movie 👌 thank you Matt Reeves!
I loved the aspect that criminals don't like being near the dark, because they never know if Batman's hiding in those shadows or not haha. That's what fear does, it makes Batman feel omnipresent!
Reminds me of Arkham Origins. "When the mugger or the thief stops to think twice, that is fear, that is what I am. ... I am the reason that criminals breathe easier when the sun rises."
@Siddharth Sriram Sorry you didn't like it.
This movie was a love letter to all the dark parts of Batman’s legacy and it was gorgeous. Very excited for more Arkham Asylum
Wait there is a Arkham asylum movie coming ???
@@chiputiman yeah it was
@@chiputiman idk what movie you saw but the batman is literally as close to the comics as any batman film has ever been.
@@chiputiman while I do think it was a lot to take in I’m sure that was Matt reeves intention that way by the sequel every character and the city is already set up and be explored more.
@@raulcasarez2150 Was it though? Was it written by someone who loves Selina Kyle as someone who became a cat burglar because she likes that life? Or someone who loves the Riddler enough to actually keep his last name and does what he does because he sees Batman as an intellectual rival without giving him this long unneeded orphan backstory? I love Batman comics. Have read them for 35 years. Same with Captain America comics. The people who gave us Captain America movies said "lets show people why we love the character. Yeah, he can pull down helicopters and hang with Gods".
I see this movie and am like.. This Bruce went and studied under all these master's? Nobodies literally knocked him unconscious twice. What would those master's think?
The Vigilante beating up white supremacy guys in prison scene in Peacemaker got me more pumped than any scene in this movie. I honestly think he could take this Bruce Wayne
One very not Batman moment was allowing Penguin to just kill a lot of people and cause a truck to explode on a busy highway, just so he could catch his car. Like, couldn't you just put a tracker on him and get him later?
Had a very TFS Vegeta vibe (which was also on a highway): "I will kill as many people as I need to as long as one of them is you". Maybe this will be changed later but Batman in general here didn't really seem like he cared that much of innocent bystanders and more about stopping the bad guy.
Yeah that scene felt like it was there to sell car merchandise
TBF, he was still in his vengeance phase here.
Vocally laughed at you saying Alfred’s “I failed you”. Love it
something that really set my expectations high early into the movie is the scene where the Riddler is sitting quietly stalking the mayor. You expect them to play it a bit like a scary movie, showing more shots of him lurking around him or getting closer or having a loud audio stinger. Instead we get one shot of him standing in the background, and they let the scene basically go on for 10 or 20 more seconds while the mayor is watching the news. Then Riddler just screams and runs up and starts bashing his head in, genuinely terrified me for a moment with the way he yelled.
Yes that was good
One of the best scenes of the movie for me! Straight up terrifying with the scream and suddenness of the attack, absolutely chilling. Probably one of the best movie intros I've ever seen.
You mean the zodiac killer
My wife jumped when he screamed. It reminds me of scenes from Saw where the girl in the boar mask would be standing behind people in the dark before attacking.
Honestly, one of the best scenes was the church scene, so tense and great acted!
And there's no cheap corny jokes in it. What? That's amazing!! 🙌🙌
Loved it. You could tell how uncomfortable he was to be in the public eye
@@15Candles Exactly but there was humor that fit...like Penguin saying "worlds greatest detectives!' and Gordon when Batman said no guns "thats your thing man"...funny shit that actually didn't break the tension
@@ahmorgan yeah but it's not like an obvious forced so in your face humor to it. My theater didn't laugh a single bit while watching it. Everyone was tight to their seat watching even some parents took their children outside because how scary af Riddler was 😂
@@ahmorgan the “thumb drive” bit did get a good chuckle out of my cinema audience.
I think the biggest difference for me when it comes to this Batman and other batman's is the fighting style. He walks into most his fights with his footsteps echoing instead of the sudden appearance. He's more simple, barely using his tools or doing flips, basic kicks, basic punches and grapples.
Superbly made. Its like if Batman existed in the real world. Lots of A-Ha! moments, loved experiencing that. Falcolne ive heard of and knew he was big but this film cemented exactly why and it was crazy. The batcave was awesome too had the tools, camera etc. just like the animated series but irl. Serkis killed it he’s not just a butler but a helper and partner to Batman, super smart. And of course the love/hate relationship between the bat and the cat superb.
I was completely sold at the end when Batman was just being a first responder that was really well done. I think it showed that he finally realized saving the city is more than just stopping crime, it’s also helping with disasters as well as with the cleanup of all the criminals he chases.
I really liked the moment where he comforts that person being air lifted.
It took me a day to fully process it and I agree. It's a great take away and it feels like a mistake a sophomore batman would make.
@@georgegonzalez7061 see, I think those very small details like that make a hero a true hero. The reason why we love Batman
I really did like that too I just felt it was off in some scenes where his actions definitely indirectly caused some injuries or deaths like the car chase scene and breaking into the stadium at the end had me thinking all those sharp glasses definitely landed on someone lol
I really liked the Gordon and Batman relationship, how they have a mutual trust for each other that is never verbally explained.
I think that was one of the best parts of the movie right?
@@megamikethemovieman agreed
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"you're a good cop"
@@megamikethemovieman 100% my favorite part, I felt like a kid watching Batman animated series
I feel like a lot of this shows this Batman's inexperince, between him getting tagged in fights and all that a more experinced Batman would likely been able to avoid or counter. To how he uses a wing suit, and he seemed very inexperienced at using that given what happened. Over all as he starts to refine his technology an actual cape that can glide isn't too out there.
I was pleasantly surprised. Riddler is the best villain to try and make you “understand” since Joker. Not that it justifies, or makes light of, such a dark place: but rather shows the gap of completely losing it and normal person, and the lack of effective help and stuff in the system to locate these people prior. But it’s not that we don’t share his sentiment in some ways, but what drove him off the deep end? To kill instead of simply be logical and fight for a change? What exactly is the breaking point? Why is there no help?
This is literally the most comic accurate Batman in the sense of the feel and how it's pulled of. Obviously not details like Alfred training him etc but comics wise they got the tone/ feeling of Batman spot on
At least back to “Batman: Earth One” (of which this movie took many cues) Alfred was retconned a vet of the Royal Marines and/or SAS. Since then it’s comic canon that he was a giant influence on Bruce’s training to become Batman.
@@RoRag he did a little more than just brawl though. but yea. Alred probably did teach him to brawl to take on multiple people at once.
alfred only trained bruce up until he turned 17. after he graduated high school, he went on to study in multiple universities around the world while also learning martial arts styles from the countries he visited.
in the main continuity he at least trained him how to disguise
@@dx5741 yeah I think you are correct. Prior to retconning him as a soldier he was a classically trained actor as a young man, correct?
i really like the ending, batman realizing that he was wrong and needs to be a symbol of hope for gotham
awesome movie, i hope we get at least 2 more movies with this cast and director
You think they can tie Superman to this? Since his symbol is about hope.
Do you think there was enough hope shown in the movie though?
I think maybe they can make a bat-verse out of this with the bat family
@@aaronmak1208 Superman sucks
@@aaronmak1208 Superman would completely destroy the universe that they built
After the wingsuit scene wife just called him Dolla Sto Batman. Everything but Batman himself felt great. He was so underwhelming that we're surprised he got anything done.
The Batman is a Masterpiece! I love that he wasn’t a high brow Bruce Wayne, he instead is a broken, tortured soul wrecking havoc on his foes.
I honestly thought Pattinson’s Batman felt like Batman. I loved how he was also Batman the entire time. I liked how Bruce felt liked a awkward person, and not connected to the world yet. I hope that will change as time goes on, and I think it will.
Batman as feeling like a legend, I mean that will take time. This isn’t Batfleck. It’s not at the end of Batman’s career. It’s at the start.
I really also feel like this Batman will eventually connect with the larger DCEU. I think they want him to develop outside of it. Then, through the multiverse, have this Batman connect with everything else. And in the meantime, we’ll have Keatons Batman in the DCEU.
Yea pretty sure Reeves said he just plans to focus on Batman’s world and not the larger DC universe
I agree, although I'd prefer to not have this Batman in the DCEU. Multiverse is cool right now, but let's not overdo it.
agreed !!
You think they gonna no way home the batman?
I just really really loved the part where that kid finally reached out to Batman. The way Batman went from Vigilante to Hero. He often looked over that kid bec it reminded him of when his parents died, so it was really impactful how Batman might be what he needed when he was younger. The hopeful feeling at the end of the movie is what made this movie amazing to me.
That moment just tied the whole movie with a bow for me. I love it so much
It began and ended with the same song but Batman changed. He saw his flaws and reflection. What a phenomenal ending.
I was wondering if he is supposed to be Robin down the road
I think my takeaway with the movie and characters was similar. Yes, it's trying to be more 'grounded in reality', but I get the feeling more that Batman and all the ensemble of Villains have not become the staple villains we know just yet. It's after the events of this movie that we see these villains become inspired by the events of Batman and Riddler to become the ensemble we're used to seeing. What I enjoyed most was the progression of ALL the characters. No one felt static in this movie and even Gotham itself was irreversibly changed by the events in this movie. I'm also really glad to see that we're back to a comic book feel with Batman after the Nolan movies (Snyder's films don't count). It's so hard to compare Reeve's to Nolan because they were going for such different movies. Nolan's movies feel more like Batman Jason Bourne thrillers and we're a product of their time that perpetuated ideas of 'hyper efficient government bodies' being able to extradite criminals from across the globe and 'tacticool' Bat gear that is inspired by military tech. I have to say, but that feels so much more dated in film now. The Batman goes back to the traditional hero's journey while also feeling more in line with noir mystery films. As a DC film, this feels just as groundbreaking as Nolan's films did when they first came out and I'm excited to see the direction Reeve's goes in. He continues character growth between film series very well.
I love this film so much! Just a few things that took me out of the experience.
1) Batman took a direct bomb blast and totally survived. Just knocked out cold and recovered.
2) Batman can take fully auto gunfire point blank. Like... really... POINT BLANK. How good is that body armor exactly?
3) Batman base jumps in a wingsuit and hits a bridge, but is totally OK after that impact. Wow... WOW!
Just minor suspension of disbelief here and there.
But really really loved this film! Almost a masterpiece.
It's kinda odd you see this as a departure from the Batman comics. It's probably the most comic accurate Batman so far. It felt real close to what reading a Batman comic feels like.
Exactly this batman is literlay ripped from comics,
I don’t really think so Batman feels so robotic. Like he literally doesn’t understand how emotion works. He comes across as autistic to me but I get why some people may like that aspect.
@@Greenwrath5514 dude the Bruce Wayne playboi will be developed in the sequels just like the comics developed him
barry 234 I get that but I’m not interested in seeing him learn how to be Bruce I honestly think it should’ve been done in this movie. It would’ve made the seen where SPOILER.... where rescues the people feel less out nowhere to me. It just felt like this Batman didn’t care about people or saving outside of kid.
@@barry2349 Bruce Wayne's parents in comics were nice people, and Bruce Wayne himself wasn't so morose to the point of being a weirdo.
I personally didn't take the, "I'm Vengeance" thing literally. I interpreted it as a theme and a metaphor more than his literal identity. Part of why I liked this iteration of Batman so much is that he's a young, angry version of the character that hasn't found his way yet. Right now as a year 2 Batman he truly sees himself as an instrument of vengeance and fear, nothing more. Riddler sees him that way too and latches onto that and uses him as inspiration to dawn his own mask and seek vengeance as well. He sees himself and Batman as partners, how could they not be? They want the same thing.
Which was a turning point for Batman in this film, because he realized that if all he is to the city is vengeance then he's not going to inspire anything but more Riddlers, as we see when he's beaten the shooters at the end and one repeats, "I'm vengeance." Him choosing to help the people in the rubble and lead them to safety and then staying until dawn to comfort the people who had come to view him as a savior made him realize he couldn't just be vengeance to make a change in Gotham. He needed to become more, he needed to inspire things like hope and change as well.
Part of him reaching that conclusion was also accepting that he still has things to lose and still has things he cares about, like Alfred and Selina. When he realizes Alfred could've died and that he actually cares, or that Selina could be going down the wrong path and he could lose her, it's a wake up call for him. He's been so busy brooding and not caring whether he lived or died that he'd forgotten that there are people he wants to protect and that he needs to be better for their sake. He needs to live for their sake and rise above his scars and his pain.
This is all just my interpretation, obviously. If people just chalk this up to emo Batman I won't blame them but I think it's short-sighted. I hope if they make sequels they'll deliver on these ideas. I want to see Bruce using his money to help people and I want to see moments of Batman being a real hero.
Perfect take. Completely agree and co-sign everything you just said. Such a masterpiece of a movie. Can’t wait to see where it goes and transitions to in the future.
This is actually a really good take on the film, just saw it last night and I loved the gritty take on Batman. The fact that he not holding back but just reacting off of his emotions, he's not as emotionally trained as we've seen in other adaptation of Batman.
Also he's called Batman constantly.... Gordon and every Riddler note. That's mostly Catwoman's thing
I love this take. I already loved the movie but next time I see it, I think I’m going to appreciate it more.
My thoughts are aligned with yours when I was finished watching the movie. Hopefully, we can see the development of him becoming the mythic figure of Gotham that we know in the next movie.
I genuinely loved everything they did with this film except the Joker reveal, mainly because I don’t think the actor cast is the right choice but I am willing to be proved wrong…
Not to mention his laugh was one of the worst Joker laughs I have ever heard
@@itscalebgreen lmao The Riddler and him laughing together sounded like they were just mocking each other
Why is no one talking about how perfectly Joaquin Phoenix’s joker would’ve fit into this universe
Absolutely! They go together so well
God I fucking love Joaquin Phoenix
Agreed
I really thought that’s what they were going for! I mean the clown goons on the train beating up a Wall Street looking guy? Who knows if the clowns are just random thugs on Halloween but the one being “initiated” only had half his face painted because he wasn’t a member yet. So it could be an established gang like in The Jokerz in Batman Beyond.
How difficult is it to get him back as the Joker? That would be phenomenal
I heard that Reeves really doesn’t want to use Joker until he’s fully fleshed out the world and near the end of Batman’s development. I think he’s going to use a different villain for the next movie, my thoughts are either Mr. Freeze or the Court of Owls. Additionally I think we’re going to have Batman adapt his personas in the next film, not because he’s trying to stop people from figuring it out, but to get close to the people in power.
I honestly thought it was Two-Face that was talking to the Riddler at the end there.
@@BoldlyGoing exactly! The laugh was weird but the face kinda felt like two face.
@@viveksunil2037 nope it’s confirmed that it’s the joker not two face
I think that’s the Joker, but I hope they basically forget all about that. I thought that might have been the worst part of the movie.
@@bigt2079 why do you think it was the worst part?
I kinda think they portrayed this Batman perfectly! They were going for a young, inexperienced angry Batman. They really nailed that. We are used to seeing a Batman that is rugged, experienced and always one step ahead of everyone. I like the idea of us following a young angry Batman as he matures and becomes that more sharpened and put together. I think in the end, we will get that Batman we are used to.
He is not he strong Batman but feels more like a Year One Batman.
But this was year 2
Why would decide to become "THE Batman" if you aren't even one step ahead of the people your going to war against? And your one guy?
Oh the Gen Z Batman, all white guilt, destruction of Wayne legacy because there's nothing to believe in nihilistic Gen Z, rich people are all evil, minorities are here to save everything, Cat woman can kiss an unconscious batman - what ever happened to consent? (Oh women can do it though) Cat woman's vengeance for a co-worker was silly, Penguins prosthetics looked weird, some scenes were even laughed at that weren't suppose to be funny, what a mess but easy times creates a weak generation and thus a bundle of sticks Batman version.
@@Charles-ij1ow Are you ok Charles? You seem pretty angry with the world.
I’ve heard a lot of people complain that Bruce Wayne was to dark and didn’t set himself apart from Batman, that aspect was crucial for this movie. Reminded me a lot of Batman Arkham origins. Batman is absolutely pissed and thinks the only way to save the city is through Batman and not holding punches. But towards the end of the city, he realizes that the city needs hope more then it needs fear. Which I think will lead to Bruce realizing he can do as much good for city as Bruce Wayne as Batman can. Beautiful character arc, can’t stop thinking about it
Just saw it.... I know I'm late but better late than never I guess. I really wasn't expecting much from this movie as I'm not a big Pattinson fan but I absolutely loved every minute of it and didn't see the time fly. I like the fact that Bruce Wayne really looks to be fighting inner demons in this one and not a big superstar like in the other movies. All the characters are great and the casting was perfect. The guy playing the Riddler really surprised me and I loved his take on the role. I hope we see more of him. The only thing I'm not sure about is the Joker but then again it was only the introduction and there was little of it so I'll keep an open mind.
This version felt more like the “worlds greatest detective “ than any other big screen Batman! I hope we get a sequel
Matt reeves said it will be a trilogy
@@stoned5409
That is fantastic did not know it was going to be a trilogy.
This movie did nothing to demonstrate that Batman is the greatest detective in Gotham, let alone the world...
@@jawknee13 it did more than the last few films did at least lol
He figures things out faster than the GCPD, but definitely couldn't keep up w/ the Riddler. The only reason that the latter ends up in Arkham is b/c he surrenders to the cops, then points out that Batman isn't really that smart. Also, Alfred helped a lot w/ the puzzles.
Loved the beginning where criminals are looking toward the dark afraid that the Batman might be there. So when he finally comes out..chills
It is like he known to some on the streets but not all. So after that movie he probably now will be known by everybody.
This was an awesome take on Batman. I like how they emphasized Batman's detective skills and work. I like how they didn't spend much time with Bruce Wayne masquerading in a lifestyle of cars and women. Remember in this take of Batman it's been two years of him being Batman. The movie did a good job showing how Batman has much to grow still.
Overall a solid Batman movie with excellent acting all around. Jeffrey Wright did a great job playing the role of James Gordon. Robert Pattinson played an excellent Batman and Bruce Wayne.
I also liked the detective work in this movie, even though Batman is told most of the crucial clues by other people. Great noir-thriller atmosphere in this movie.
I loved the way he moved. Slow and methodically. The stares.
I saw it a second time and love it even more. Robert's Batman felt like the character to me and it gave me vibes of The Long Halloween Batman is smart but he doesn't land all his speculation. It sets up that he learned from his Gotham Project and the future should be a more refined Batman and Bruce.
Goddammit I knocked out when they were at the church and the car scene. Then I walked out bc i was too high and tired. Now I gotta go back and watch it.
@@DuMaMayDewLay lol why did you smoke before a 3 hour movie
Very much Long Halloween feels and when he first entered the club he looked and walked like Arkham Knights.
Also loved thar he was batman for most of the film.
@@euanuglowisdead I watched it this afternoon and they showed the scene scoping out the subway victim. Interesting if some locations are removing scenes.
Honestly the opening narration sequence was great. Seeing the criminals look up at the bat symbol and just nope out of whatever they were doing was awesome. It was done in TDK to a lesser extent, but using that as a segue to introducing this version of Batman was perfect.
Also, I think just Catwoman was calling him vengeance like that was his name. The Riddler was still addressing his cards “To the Batman.” I guess I’ll have to watch it again but I don’t recall anyone else calling him “Vengeance”
Narration was one of the best parts of the movie right?
Penguin does call him Vengeance at one point before the car chase scene I think he says something along the lines of "Hey Vengeance! You think you can steal from me?!" So people do call him vengeance cuz I don't think "The Batman" has really stuck as a name yet. Movie is awesome anyway lol.
Yeah I think people were calling him vengeance as a snarky jab or in Selina’s case maybe as flirting. He was definitely still Batman to everyone.
My GOD. The narration alone made me feel like I was reading a comic book. I could totally see the opening shots as comic panels with textboxes for the narration. They really put a lot of love into this movie and it very much showed.
Penguin calls him Mr. Vengeance lol
This batman was what batman always actually was. A man trying to be an actual superhero, in a world where superhero's don't exist. Every previous batman seems like it's in the world of superheroes like justice league or avengers was running around somewhere. This seems like this is an actual batman universe. I'm honestly hoping this version follows the batmans villans philosophy and creat the bat family as good as the avengers in an actual un superhero world
No. No stupid arrow verse where everyone is running around with a hood and a bow. Batman is special cause he is Batman. We don’t need 3 bat members ruining what makes him special.
@@JohnSmith-wr7lg But guy in a un superhero world you couldn't be by yourself. He can get lucky and win some fights but for it to really work from a "realistic movie" perception he'll need organization. I'm thinking like a goth a-team sort of set up, but they have to brought in just as good as the avengers. Would bring more dynamic then it just being batman, and if you follow the clash of philosophy from batman and his villans for the conflict. A real bat universe could really be made here. I feel like they would have to start with Jason Todd and his corruption to red hood, then Dick Grayson and his growth to nightwing, then Batgirl and damian Wayne. Perfection
Except he doesn’t live in a world without superheroes.
@@arrownoir depends on what vibe your going for. Like I personally think Christopher Nolans batman was pretty good for batman in a super hero world, and if they started justice league in that universe then things would have been better for JL. This batman seems like there trying to take notes from "reality" and made him somewhat a real guy trying to be an actual superhero
@@royalbroman9467 no, it doesn't depend on 'the vibe' Batman is a comic book character, he's not just whatever you feel like he is. The character originates from a multiverse of many crazy types of heroes and fantastical beings. A producer can make whatever movie they want, it doesn't change history.
This is the Batman I’ve been waiting for since I was a kid. It had a feel of everything that makes Batman Batman, and with a mix of great films Taxi Driver, Robo-Cop, Warriors, Chinatown, and Se7en. I’ve never bought hot toys for a film if that says anything.
Are you saying you got the hot toys batman??
Emillio Heredia yessir, they don’t ship till next year though for whatever reason. They just announced the bat mobile too so I’ll be picking that up as well.
Makes sense or any Alfred Hitchcock movies as well
The reason why this batman didn't feel like any other batman in this movie was
Instead of giving the arc of trauma of his parents the character arc in this movie was him discovering how vengeance is his idea of justice and that is what his batman portrays as {spoiler alert} in the end one of the many Riddlers when asked by gordon who are you supposed to be & he gives the same answer batman gave to the mob of freaks in the beginning of the film - "I'm vengeance"
Which made batman realise he has inspired people in a bad way, and hope is what gotham needs not vengeance
Riddler recognises this when he says to him -"the whole city wants to unmask you, but i know this is the the real you, the mask also brought out the real me" Meaning you can take your mask off but that doesn't change who you're, it leaves a mark on your psyche and personality
And in my opinion this bruce Wayne is true to life depiction of how a man who will try to balance two polar opposite sides of his personality will fail terribly if his conviction to put on a mask is to represent vengeance and not hope. And his hate will consume his day as it did his nights
Over and out
So does the Riddler know who Batman is ?
my one argument is that, the movie didnt make us feel like he was trying to balance bruce's life and batman's. on the contrary, he felt like he was batman 28 hours per day.
@@marcosdheleno I feel like that was intentional though, this version of Bruce is still young and angry and I think they wanted to portray that with only flashes of him slowly progressing and realizing the need for balance, like in his anger at Selena for having a relationship with someone like Falcone and his fear of losing Alfred.
@@joeriley5099 i get that, but it just turned me off from the start with lines like "you're not my father." as if he was a teenager.
Thank you finally said it! This one of the best Batman and I don’t understand some people making a huge issue about the Bruce part. They have to look beyond that, when your city is at the edge of collapsing you can’t be 12 hours of Bruce and 12 hours of Batman. He will definitely struggle to balance. @sensei
I got big time "Crow" vibes throughout the movie, from starting at Halloween and having it rain 90% of the time, the cinematography. Great stuff.
90% .... Yeah... Well..." It can't rain all the time"
same.
good call
TBH, if they had Arthur Fleck / Joaquin at the end of The Batman, given that the ending of Joker was Arthur in a mental institution, it would have been a nice tie in.
Was it a perfect movie? No. Was it one of the best renditions of Batman from page to screen? Absolutely yes!
While I love the Nolan films, something that always seemed off to me was that after Begins, the following movies just felt like action movies which happened to have Batman in them. All the tech reliance, all the conveniences etc, didn’t feel like Batman. Reeves did an incredible job of grounding Batman as ‘the detective’ and did it so well.
Really? Because the dark knight felt a lot like a crime film. There weren’t even any big climactic fights at the end while in other Batman movies there are.
I think the tone is what sets this film apart the most even though I get how you feel this just feels like a more mature film but with a more inexperienced Batman. This film definitely felt more like a detective movie than dark knight even though that had a bit of focus on the detective stuff as well.
Batmans always been about convenience hence the "batman with prep time" can beat about anyone. All that billionaire money's not just sitting in hedge funds.
One of my favorite scenes has got to be the one where Batman starts his (prototype) Batmobile in front of Penguin. You could hear people in my screening audibly gasping or even saying "Wooooooow!". And of course, the car chase scene afterwards and the upside-down shot of Batman approaching were absolutely phenomenal. Heck, this movie had so many amazing shots (I also loved the shot where Batman led the people across the water at the end). Matt Reeves is a master, and this potential trilogy has the potential to become the best set of Batman movies yet. Finally, we saw Detective Batman like in the comics. Pattinson has silenced his last doubters.
The upside down shot was so *chef's kiss*. And how slowly he walked up to the car.
I want a audio track of the batmobile warming up.
I was one of those people that "Wooooooow!!"
Man, read my post above.. you said the same things I was saying! Great minds!! Think a like!
I totally agree! Makes sense that it was the same DOP as Dune, two of the most beautiful blockbusters in the past year!
Honestly I absolutely love this movie, and this Batman. He's mythical, ACTUALLY intimidating without saying anything, and literally makes criminals fear the shadows. Every time he walks into a scene he just feels like a big shadow of fear. Also every time he said something I could instantly imagine it as a line written in the Arkham video games, which is great cause to me that means he really SAYS things that sound like something Batman would say.
Affleck did all that already in bvs
@@cloudsombrero I hated Affleck's batman and still do
@@cloudsombrero affleck may have had elements of that stuff, but this batman film put all of that as its main focus and made the film and therefore the character of Batman so much more menacing and intriguing. This is coming from someone who’s favorite take on Batman in the past few years is Ben Affleck, it’s just that sadly Batfleck never got his own film so we didn’t quite get to see him grow as a hero too much
@@iiyeyitosii8523 i really feel like they missed a step not bringing back Affleck
And doing the original idea of Slade Wilson taking apart batman's life piece by piece as he stalks him
Seeing a Batman who's already lost so much loose everything near the end of his career is such a much more narratively rich idea than
Hey look it's a new Batman he's meeting Catwoman remember that
Oh look penguin he's not in it much but wait for that HBO series
Hey looks it's riddler he's based off zodiac for no good reason.they should have done calendar man instead of riddler like it's just such a shite direction to take riddler
@@rrremy why cause he's the perfect Batman?
3 moments in this film blew my mind! When he finds out the Riddler doesn’t know he’s Bruce, when he arrives at the club AS Bruce and has more power than Batman has…and the line “he’s moonlighting as a cop” my GOD the BEST!!
Other than the last setup, Riddler did a lot of good for the city. Deposed the head of corruption and unofficial mayor of the city, and eliminated the people in power that would stop forward progress.
I would argue that the Riddler would have been more effective if he had just exposed the corruption that he knew about as opposed scaring the public and creating more orphans. Even the death of Falcone is implied to create a power vacuum where a potentially worse villain like the penguin can rise to the top of gotham
@@niyaking-khari3515 Yeah but avoiding a power vacuum is the same as saying the system is corrupt but necessary. That power vacuum at the bureaucratic and leadership levels is what allows for change and the change to end the corruption. A power vacuum on the streets in a crime ridden city would lead to violence and look alot like Chicago but if the system remains unchangingly corrupt the city has no future.
Didn't enjoy the last set up just because it felt very Liam Neeson ras al guhl. But I get why riddler needed that last step.
Honestly, that scene in the hospital where he sits in front of Alfred and has his monologue was just beautiful. That was a moment were I thought: Damn that is good acting! Overall I very much enjoyed his portrayal of Batman. Of course he was a bit boyish but that was intentional since it somehow was a coming of age story. Had some animated series vibes for me as well. It kinda felt like what Zach Snyder always tried to do but with actual substance amidst all the stylized aestethics.
Yeah the scene in the hospital was a pretty powerful moment of vulnerability for Bruce
meh
what? that's the part where i slept. cant hear anything from those whispers. unpopular opinion, cinemas should have subtitles.
@@rhovrox9291 no I really like that scene. I guess it’s very subjective. As for the sounddesign I think it was pretty well done, no mumbling or to loud music. Of course the film wasn’t perfect and the ending was a bit underwhelming but overall I think it was pretty damn good. It was also the first 3h movie in a long time that didn’t bore me at some point. Some scenes could have been left out but even in these I always found something to enjoy.
@@rhovrox9291 benefit of watching it in a country where English is not the first language, you always get subtitles.
I don’t see these characters as reimaginings. These versions of them might just be the most raw versions we’ve ever seen on screen. Batman in the beginning was as he said a creature of the night, every night plunging deeper and deeper into that darkness, he’s reckless and angry. Most of his gear he made himself hence the wing suit and why the batmobile is made from a muscle car. Also they took inspiration from the earth one version of Alfred, who did train Bruce. I think the reason people say it doesn’t feel like Batman is because we’ve never gotten to see a Batman like this, that completely encompasses everything about who the Batman is. Every aspect of this movie felt like it was taken directly pulled from the comics. The key inspirations being Year One, Long Holiween, and Earth One. I think they blended it all together to truly make a masterpiece
Wholeheartedly agree
Yeah, I don't exactly agree with Jeremy on his assessment of Batman. I felt this is the most complete (but "in-progress" at the same time) Batman I've seen. Right from the beginning it's established how much of his presence is felt to everyone when he shows up, done through audio and the heavy steps when he's walking towards someone. But also, it establishes that at this point, this Batman is a little too over-confident. You can notice this from the very start. He feels like a cocky Sherlock during the initial investigation and that he relies heavily on his knowledge, deductions, intellect and fighting abilities, but then Riddler turns this upside-down at every turn, which is what a compelling villain should do, and by the end he learns a lesson about himself and about "the job" only because it's the first time someone really matched him in wits and intelligence and is clearly not your average thug or mobster. You can also see how he keeps treating Alfred like shit because he doesn't really want to involve him and cause him any pain or difficulties, but then, when he gets hurt, he understands that it was the wrong approach, something that all the comic book Batmen have done (push loved ones away) and is a core struggle with Batman in most great comic books.
Year 2* even down to the other Vigilante that kills criminals Batman has to stop.
Exaactly, its like a live-action comic book. The monologues really for me are the highlight, its like what you read from the batman comics except you hear it now. So amazing.
If anyone noticed, he or anyone didn’t say Batman.. just shows how new they are in this .
At 4:10 you hit the nail in the head! That is why I love this movie. Just when I thought it would be another dark knight or gadget overload like Ben Affleck Batman, with a damsel in distress story line, it turned out to be the complete opposite of that. It's literally feels like it's own Batman movie.
The Michael Caine "I failed you" impression was spot on . 😆👍🤣
Loved how they empathized his detective abilities and it was more of a mystery/thriller than full on action movie
Man I had high hopes for this and honestly thought it was pretty boring….. always sounded like he walked into scenes with some cowboy boots on….beginning was boring except that quick fight scene. It tried to be dark but not to dark and found myself being more bored then enjoying it. Shit load of whispering as well hahaha
@@marcusaurelius9920 SAME! 7/10 he got the answers way to quickly and there wasn’t ENOUGH detective stuff- also the fact Gordon ISNT the commissioner and Batman is hated by the PD and the Chief- but yet they let Gordon put a light on the top of the GCPD- also the scared face he made before he wing-suited off- kinda through that scene for me- not afraid of bullets but afraid to fly 😂 and the Vengeance thing was weird they overused it IMO
Yep. Marvel needs to take the notes. It is so refreshing and exciting to see something different than a typical action movie.
And we know it from WandaVision because it was something more than a superhero show
@@marcusaurelius9920 bruh u must have adhd huh. U think a movie is boring if it doesn't have enough fight scenes. A good story is better than the action
@@FireJach I don't I just wish marvel doesn't fucc up daredevil's revival. That's like the only authentically mature cape shit since tdk.
We went from a batman that had billion dollar equipment, to a batman that could literally fight superman... This to me is a refreshing take on the character because he's still just a person. You see the moments when he gets overwhelmed and you can see that he’s still young and learning... Like when his Batmobile stalled, it felt so much like a first/second year batman thing to happen. Absolutely loved Robert Pattinsons take on it AND movie itself felt like an Arkham game come to life, so yeah… amazing.
Agreed the scene where he got scared jumping from the building then did it (that the important part lol) says a lot.
Didn't dig the squirrel suit tho
I thought the Batmobile thing was him egging on the criminals. Kinda like a game of chicken. Just jump forward a little and scare them.
@@guileniam I love the cape gliding Batman always does, but for a Batman that’s still learning, a wing suit with a built in parachute does fit better
I agree. You can tell he’s still learning and I liked it a lot. The parachute fail after gliding through the air in the wing suit was hilarious
I agree on Riddler, and that was my first thought walking out of the cinema. I wish he was a little more outwardly composed. I like a subtly insane Riddler. I think the actor did a phenomenal job in adapting this type of Riddler, so not blaming him for it.
I found the movie extremely technically well done. The shots, the acting, the fighting was really, really good. But I found a few of the choices to be quite odd in how the plot was set up, and maybe not for the best.
I do hope they go forward with this Batman, even if this wasn't as good for me as it seems to have been to some. I'll watch it again once it's streamable for sure.
one thing i love about the riddler is the killing doesn’t seem to bother him , not saying he enjoys taking someone’s life but he loves setting up his riddles and it’s just a thrill for him , it’s like he’s just ticking things off a to do list and killing just so happens to be on that list
I loved that this Batman is just angry and grieving, like he doesn’t know how to handle all that’s going on and he’s figuring it out as he goes. The only thing that I feel is missing is the sentimentalist side, for example, when Rachel died, you really feel the sadness and rage of Harvey and Bruce, we had time to watch the relationship develop, in this new Batman, all the important murders feel like just another check mark, not even Selina’s girlfriend had any impact whatsoever, like I didn’t care at all she died, so I found myself not caring that much for Selina’s revenge.
This Batman is really apathetic and depressed to the point that he is unable to show emotions at all, but I don't think he is completely emotionless with all the dead people
How do you know that was Selina's girlfriend? I don't think that was explicitly mentioned.
@@GothicSpidey it was heavily inferred she calls her friend but when she goes to the apartment she says “baby you here”
@@bluecollarmenproductions That's a fair point... But some people use that as a platonic term.
Actually he's not batman yet. He's vengeance. He's gonna evolve
Batman in this for me was the closes we have gotten to a true weird Batman, the Batman that's awkward in conversation, the Batman that doesn't say much, the Batman that literally doesn't give a fu-k. Yes he was a very dark take on Batman but I felt it was the most true to the character we've seen on the big screen. He's in year 2 and by the end he shows some compassion rather then just "vengeance" I really loved the detective side of batman we got in this, the crime scenes, him doing real detective work, stuff we haven't had until now, it really built up the action, and when it happened it felt special. All in all I think Matt reeves did an incredible job with the hole lot and can't wait for batman to develop further in the next 2 movies.
Ps, love your reviews always my go to!
Um he talked alot in this movie!🤣
@@thedarknate0845 not really compared to other Batman iterations
Yea I was sad when Battfleck took over because he brought a batman from the dark knight returns storyline and it didn’t make any sense. He wasn’t desperate, impatient and old enough for him to be lazy and just started killing mobs for no fucking reason.
Just because superman is doing the hero business gives Batman no rights to be so off character and start killing people. The thing I liked about Batfleck is the comic resemblance, fighting scenes and stealth.
But seriously Batman who kills is just lazy writing because you literally took out the factor that makes him interesting.
Nolan’s Batman was S tier but it lacks martial arts and a good fighting choreography. It was so lame and Batman was so slow. And I hate how his enemies would always wait for their turn to have a go at Batman with many falling over for no reason. His Gadgets also sucks, many of them were in efficient and almost useless.
But Bale was the best Batman of all as he is excellent with both Bruce Wayne and Batman.
Yes this gives Batman so much. I love how we see into his mind and I also liked when he vanished just like the comics but now we know why lol he had somewhere to be 😂 just like the comics/ animated series
Is it just me or when batman cuts the wire in the end falls in the water, and gets back up seem like a baptism.
Might be my new favorite Batman movie. Just saw it yesterday. its the first time I felt like the comics had been accurately portrayed in a live action...they really nailed the tone of Year 2. Best Catwoman since Pfiefer and definitely the most like her comic book portrayals for the last 30 years. loved the film.
I think having Alfred absent from most of the film is Batman's doing. Their first scene together sets them up as being distant. Bruce doesn't want to feel attached to Alfred because he doesn't want to feel the fear of losing someone he care's about. Made perfect sense to me.
This is by far my favorite portrayal of Batman on the big screen. I think Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson nailed it on all accounts. This Batman hasn't reached a point where he's found a way to balance his alter egos but that makes it much more interesting to me. Kevin Conroy's Batman is a great finished product type of Batman, and that works for the animated series. I have no interest in seeing a Batman on the big screen who comes prepackaged with character development. I would much rather watch a character grow over the course of three films instead of having a Batman that has no where to go development wise. That's why Batman is so sidelined in The Dark Knight. Harvey Dent, The Joker, and Comissioner Gordon are much more interesting in that movie compared to Bruce Wayne.
So good. I think these comments are moving be back to where I wanted to be on the side of the ratings because the entire movie I needed to go toilet hahahah so it was super unpleasant cause I didn’t want to miss anything
Np that was a dumb choice because this young batman could never make it without alfred
Yet Batman begins and mask of the phantasm made Bruce Wayne work better than this film.
It can be done. Reeves just went a different route.
@@danielalvarado3846 Not saying it can't be done, but it's been done. Why go back down that road when it's already been done succesully?
@@thedarknate0845 He did though. Did you see the movie?
I LOVED how in the beginning they emphasized the “footsteps in the dark” scenes depicting how overpowered and fierce Batman is. Also there were at least two Daredevil-esque hallway fight scenes that were SO severely missed in superhero cinema. Best comic book movie of all time. Only gripe that I had is that they introduced joker wayyyyyyyyy too early. This movie showed you can shine with other batman rogues. This batman doesn’t need joker as a focus right now
The joker scene really should have been omitted. I really didn't need this to be anything more than Riddler. I could have used MORE riddler in fact. This was good stuff.
I think the point was to show that there is something even more darker lurking in the shadows. Joker very well is planning on maybe getting every villain together to do something horrific.
Matt Reeves has claimed that the Joker cameo wasn't meant to necessarily build to the next movie, but rather to be an acknowledgment that he exists. From the after credits tease, it looks like the next movie might use Hush as the villain, so y'know
Yeah joker is more of an arch nemesis than a rogue
Matt Reeves said in a interview that the joker cameo wasn’t necessarily setting him up as a villain for the sequel, it was more so to just show that there are dark forces on the rise and the next villain can literally be anyone
This Batman is actually the closest we’ve gotten a “Year 1 Batman” except they made it Year 2 Batman.
Exactly lol
I'm glad they followed Long Halloween story more than year One.Which to me is the better Batman story than Frank Miller's overrated tales.
I agree with you on Alfred, I wanted to see more of this ex-secret service Alfred
I actually think this version of our caped crusader is the most accurate, relying on fear, silent, smarter than the usual detective(the other batmen didn't do much detective work, besides the gotham bruce wayne and Batfleck, but he was a detective, detective, and i liked his brooding. Still young, so rageful depression is kinda on point. Him retreating behind the mask, too, on point. I guess he's not able to have that duality to him, where bruce and the bat are so different that they contrast over eachother, this one here is an all out obsessive, even, batman, that also occasionally has to be Bruce Wayne. I liked him more than the previous ones, for sure, W movie. Ooh, and he used the most batman-y things like fear factors, clues, the fighting felt like a freshman batman, his utility was great... Idk i love what Mat Reeves did with the character. My only 'why' would be the look of Bruce Wayne, meaning, his hair long and emo like, but Kurt Cobain inspirations, i guess...
Was that Nirvana playing twice in the film? Sounded like Kurt but I wasn’t sure because I didn’t know the song.
I think its meant to show how little he cares about "Bruce Wayne" at this point. His hair is messy and generally unkempt, he makes basically no public appearances and hes terrible at managing his company and his money given that Alfred hinted at the fact that they were on the road to bankruptcy because of his inattention. The sequel is the perfect opportunity to explore Bruce rebuilding a public image. Because with the city the way it is, there is stuff he can only do as Bruce and not as Batman.
@@IWannaUnaliveMyself why do people like you always feel the need to troll I mean how is it validating you
@@connordougherty9860 yes Something in the way from Nevermind.
@@ComicCrossing Absolutely! I see folks complaining that Patman’s Bruce was too sullen. But I think it’s because his Batman is still grieving and angry. He hasn’t gotten the shtick of Bruce Wayne down yet and seems to not care about the persona in the film. I think it will be fun to see him figure out his Bruce Wayne act in the sequel. As the Riddler said, his mask is his true self. Now he has to figure out how to play Bruce Wayne.
I really enjoyed this version of Batman they did a great job portraying a sophomore Batman. He isn’t a rookie but he still takes hits and feels human. I think this leaves a lot of room for the future movies to show how much more experienced and calculating he could become. Overall it was a great addition and possibly the best detective Batman we have ever seen.
He is like a Year One Batman in a detective Batman. I hope they stick with that detective Batman is was so amazing.
It's a detective batman that literally does nothing but catch L's the entire film, he doesn't outsmart the Riddler, he doesn't save the city, he is always a step behind, he only manages to stop the shooters at the end from killing the new mayor and some other elites I guess but the city is already flooded, I feel like people are really overrating this film because the visuals are great and it's the first time someone tries a detective batman take.
@@Roni24mamba okay but how is that having a problem with the film itself and not the portrayal of Batman in this movie? That’s like me saying ohh I didn’t like iron man all he does is make shit that literally anybody else could use what’s so special about him? Like you’re critiquing the character not the film itself
@@Roni24mamba but they did make Batman solve EVERYTHING before pretty much anyone else around him, finds clues others missed, says about the thumb being cut off whilst he was alive, etc.
He can't really out smart Riddler because Riddler's clues don't give enough away to have Batman crack that case by himself. So the point is that he's going about, interrogating people and thinking he's solving it but it's just because the Riddler is leading him along to get what he wants AND the Riddler even mocks him and Gordon for it.
It's a win for Batman because he finds himself and what he needs to be and do for the city and Riddler does win essentially, but that doesn't take away from him as Batman. Batman is allowed to lose and he basically did.
I thought it was awesome.
The film sort of reminded me of a TV show - to me it felt episodic, like we watched a season back to back of a new Batman TV show. While I liked certain elements of this film, I don't think it was as cohesive as some previous Batman films have been.