I have a major problem with the ICON harness I just ordered from you . The sewing/stitching is horrific . The Velcro on the neck/chest is the cheap hook and loop used on CRYE knockoffs that just shreds away with every adjustment. And the size measurement for my k9 said medium. It’s 2” too long even with the straps completely collapsed. I’m emailing photos tonight but I can’t say there’s going to be much that would make me happy at this point. For nearly $300 I would expect this thing to look flawless and be sewn together with the golden pubic hair of angels ... or at least double welt seams and/or double stitching . The string itself isn’t even close to milspec nylon sewing thread. It seems like basic Michaels thread . Nearly all of the running stitching has slack in it . I have a working dog that deserves something that can survive what I ask of her to do . But this thing looks like it’s an Amazon special made in China. This is coming off harsh. But with a reputation that your company Ray Allen has earned for gear made for working dogs . I cannot imagine this being allowed to leave the floor let alone leave the building.
I always support American companies and people who are passionate about whatever they make. This video alone sold me on your company and I will be ordering from you the second I know the size our puppy will need.
I bought an Icon harness from Ray Allen and was super excited, but when I saw the quality I went “WtF” inside my head. I thought I got a weird lemon, so I ordered more and in different colors for fun. They all looked so cheaply and poorly made…I ended up going with a Nomad harness, but yeah. The ICONs are wtf
Sorry to hear that man, kind of sad honestly. Go ahead and support the reason why the market is full of shit items from overseas. And then complain why inflation is killing our economy and we don’t have enough jobs.
I totally get it. Been in your shoes. My husband did end up buying the black one thinking it was the same thing. But here are my 2 cents. You're correct the straps on the side slide thru too easily. With our 60lbs dog it's a mess. The whole harness slides then forward almost over his head and he ends up on the ground (we got it to support him at his senior age of 14; it's supposed to help giving him a lift up when his hind end gives out), so I keep saying this or any harness should have 2 loops attached that go around the back legs as well so that cannot happen. Do yours offer a back leg attachment? And a nicely cushioned one?
China? Knock something off?? Noooo.. hey in all due respect I feel your anger my friend. The worst part is? Is there even a way to sue for copyright infringement?
Sorry about people having your pictures but you need to trademark that stuff come on guys. Don't think about the price of the product. Think about protecting the reputation and another thought I had is this is just like the new car market. The car dealers were making a killing. It's a feast for several years now. Here we are. One day before the end of the fiscal year for car dealers and they're literally dying, no one can afford them. So the question is and it's a valid one. How is your vest? Five times better and even if it is, you better protect your images and everything with copy right or trademark. I'm not a lawyer but you guys drop the ball there
I just got a Dutch Shepherd to work with and have been searching for harnesses and other gear. I’m buying from you guys based on this video…and the cussing (and reputation of course!) 👊🤘👍
What’s the harness and company? I searched a review for a PetNanny harness and then saw this video and looks identical. So is PetNanny one of the knockoff brands? Need to know so I don’t throw away $.
Live in the EU, but shop Amazon US for products shipped to my country. * looking for a solid harness for our Akita - so far there is ForestPaw… just found you (not sure about your shipping)
I have to admit I fell for one. I take my dog hiking, and we go to places that he could get in trouble, so I need something I could hoist him out from. The cheaper knockoff I bought not, knowing your store, the first hike out he wanted to take off and pulled right out of the harness. The straps are crap and so were the buckles. The buckles would come undone just by him pulling. The straps would always come loose. It is so bad that I cut it up before tossing it out so no one would use it. I would not give it away for free. Yours has been bomb proof and served us well. So worth every cent. Thanks for a great product!
Love the video, I've purchased from you guys for years upon years. I would never buy a cheaper product when it comes to my dogs and jeopardize the saftey and security... This video is not only a great way to educate the consumer on why. Thank you 🙏
Why you should buy directly from manufacturers or authorized seller. If something’s price looks too good to be true, chances are, something is wrong with it. Buy once cry once. Don’t fall for knockoffs!
Not defending this guy, but to everyone saying the ko has better reviews, you can NOT look at the 5 star reviews. Sometimes you can't trust the 5 star reviews.
Who are the reviews from? There’s a lot of people in China who will leave a review for a buck. Even for a regular Joe, a cheap ko might be ok as his dog’s life doesn’t depend on it. Someone may leave a good review for a K9 seat restraint saying it fits great. And it may fit amazing. But then when it needs to do its job and fails because of cheap materials, that good review ends with a dog going through a windshield.
Holy Shit I appreciate the video. I was just looking on the Amazon for something like this. I was about to get sucked into some shit thinking it would be ok….. Now I’m looking, knowing that they are shit. Wish I could afford your harnesses
Hey I'm really sorry that happened but you know besides the Cobra buckles people just see the harness and you can't survive when people are having a hard time making their car payments, mortgages, etc. So they jump over to Amazon and get a $28 vest that looks like yours. And sadly enough I looked at your products and I really wondered. Wow okay. If I was the law enforcement officer I would have this but as a dog sport handler is this overkill? I think this is the calculus a lot of people are doing in their mind right now. Do I get a team canine for $49 or Ray Allen for whatever you're charging which is probably significantly more? You have to be able to demonstrate your clients why they should pay that much. And your products are very well made. But you know welcome to cheap imitations but most people just walk their dogs with them. They're not dogs sporting these or doing IPO or what have you? And I'm a malinois and Dutch shepherd owner so I know the importance of a great product. But when they all look the same people make that mistake. And if your lead times are long people have, I want it yesterday mentality so they buy some $28 vest from Amazon. I'm guilty of that. I've got one right here that's lasted 7 years. I don't use it. But I get what you're putting down. But maybe you ought to consider having a second tier product line that is aimed more at the average dog handler. But maybe that will cannibalize your top line vest. I just know Ray Allen is better than what's on the market. If it's got Cobra buckles I want it. But anything beyond that you got to prove why it's good and that carries over to the $1,000 crates. The name of the companies escaping me right now but it's like come on man $1,000 for a dog crate versus 179 you got to tell me why I should pay 800 more... If I would have known this was going down I would have bought one and done a RUclips video for you cuz I know your product is top gun. It's just people have to pay the mortgage before they get top tier quality product for walking their dogs cuz most people don't even know what a cobra buckle is
I think you’re just mad that someone is selling your product at a more affordable price. Stand by your product instead of complaining someone made the same thing for cheaper. Besides RA overprices their products simply because it’s RA.
Nope, if you need to depend on gear for safety he is right. I bought one and it failed. The crap gear will get someone killed. Furry or not we all want to return home.
Repel with your dog on a flimsy harness, watch the buckles or straps fail, and then watch your dog’s body burst open on impact 60 feet later. Then see who’s mad. Chinese knockoffs are garbage. Even if they were good, which they’re not, there’s something to be said for those who put in the time to develop a quality product. No, I don’t own a RA harness, yet. But I will be saving the pennies to buy a quality RA harness. I think my dog’s safety is worth the extra cash.
I think you miss the whole point of how its made and the quality of components that goes into it. Thus why its priced at that amount. I'm tired of things made with inferior plastics that crack, turn color or literally fall apart. Or other similar issues. Not just plastics but every fucking thing. Yet we get charged top dollar for lesser quality. We need made in America. Not made in China. Other 3rd world countries are stepping up to manufacturing. Some of the things coming out are really pretty good. So. If you don't make things, don't know how... Please take the time to educate yourself. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what you may discover. I'd be pretty fucking pissed if I lost/injured a working dog or other animal to inferior product that broke. Due to poor quality. Until you educate and understand don't say its jealousy. This company is getting complaints due to customers being sold things that they thought that they made. So... Don't call things the way you did. Maybe you never bought products made in America. I'll happily pay top dollar for a product I expect to last 20+ years or my life time. Not pick it up to use after it sitting for 1year and it's falling apart!! There are lots of us that grew up with "Made in USA!!" BTW... Its not just these products, it's everything around us.. Everything...
I don’t think that’s the whole reason I think it’s cause they tried to copy a RA product and did it poorly while marketing it as something that can compete with a RA product and if it’s “overpriced” then don’t buy a product that is made with higher quality materials like the video says it is made for a someone who wants a durable product or law enforcement and military
Honestly, if I would have come across one of these knock offs, I wouldn’t have bought it anyway although cheaper. To me RAM stands for quality nuff said!! Btw, I have one of the RAM ones and I must say, the best money I’ve spent on my dog. I there would be a word in the dog gear world for sex appeal, than RAM stands for it. Sadly, in kind of a bad way, it is some sort of a compliment. Only the best are copied. Sorry it happened but that’s the world we live in now. No respect! All the best to your company ! I have several RAM products and will keep coming back.
This happens unfortunately. Some of my favorite brands ( kitanica and triple aught design) have the same problem. That's why I only buy direct from you guys and my other favorite brands. No cheap Chinese knock offs for me!
So hey to all of you with your awesome comments... These are the reasons why E-commerce was always going to be a problem. Its just like old mail order from Sears, JCPennys and all the old school businesses back in the day. But rarely back then do we get sent nasty inferior products. Because things were "MADE in USA" not unknown. That's also why when I shop, I prefer to go into a physical store and look, touch and feel products. To check the sewing done on it. (Ever wonder why your blue jeans are twisted or uncomfortable? Stitching.) The hardware used. Once I find something, I dig into the supply on the shelf for one that's not opened or handled and in good shape. I stick with tried and true brands even if their costs go up. Because I know they'll be in good shape used or not in 20-30 years. Yes, that long!! So, I expect all the things for my horses, cats & dogs to be in great working condition at all times. I wash my gear, hang it up to dry etc... Thus ensuring it's longevity. Buying online, isn't always the greatest. Check the return policies, and if you can buy more than one, especially if your not sure of the sizing. But, so you can pay s/h once. Return the one thats got flaws & not up to your specs. Return it. Keep the good one. Do it all the time. Grab a pile if your in a brick & mortar store, check them out. Throw the others back on hook or shelf. Even hardware used will have flaws in the metals. Not all are perfect. Some may not have been caught in QC inspections. If any. Best of my tricks to successfully navigating online shopping. We all get screwed by online shopping or the credit card companies. I've had issues with them too. Their policies have changed in the late 90's to now. Due to the Internet. So, just don't click, click, click... Take your time, unless it's the last one. Good luck! 🤔🙏🤞
It’s truly disappointing to see the number of “tactical” k9 equipment out there from companies I’ve never heard of or who obviously knockoff or produce trash and sell it for a fraction of the cost to unsuspecting customers. You get what you pay for couldn’t be more applicable and Ray Allen products stand the test of time.
I have a major problem with the ICON harness I just ordered from you . The sewing/stitching is horrific . The Velcro on the neck/chest is the cheap hook and loop used on CRYE knockoffs that just shreds away with every adjustment. And the size measurement for my k9 said medium. It’s 2” too long even with the straps completely collapsed. I’m emailing photos tonight but I can’t say there’s going to be much that would make me happy at this point. For nearly $300 I would expect this thing to look flawless and be sewn together with the golden pubic hair of angels ... or at least double welt seams and/or double stitching . The string itself isn’t even close to milspec nylon sewing thread. It seems like basic Michaels thread . Nearly all of the running stitching has slack in it .
I have a working dog that deserves something that can survive what I ask of her to do . But this thing looks like it’s an Amazon special made in China.
This is coming off harsh. But with a reputation that your company Ray Allen has earned for gear made for working dogs . I cannot imagine this being allowed to leave the floor let alone leave the building.
Thanks for the comparison and clarification. I understand saving a buck but I don’t like to support knockoffs. I’ll be buying yours.
I always support American companies and people who are passionate about whatever they make. This video alone sold me on your company and I will be ordering from you the second I know the size our puppy will need.
I bought an Icon harness from Ray Allen and was super excited, but when I saw the quality I went “WtF” inside my head. I thought I got a weird lemon, so I ordered more and in different colors for fun. They all looked so cheaply and poorly made…I ended up going with a Nomad harness, but yeah. The ICONs are wtf
This is definitely the way I wanted to start my day. Thanks for the laughs 😂 I can’t believe they used pictures of your dogs! Insane.
I mean they have over 40,000+ really good reviews, where you have... $35 vs $260... I'd rather go with better ratings and price.
Amazon bot generated reviews are easy to buy.
Sorry to hear that man, kind of sad honestly. Go ahead and support the reason why the market is full of shit items from overseas. And then complain why inflation is killing our economy and we don’t have enough jobs.
🇺🇸 I hope you sue the crap out of them 🇺🇸
I totally get it. Been in your shoes. My husband did end up buying the black one thinking it was the same thing. But here are my 2 cents. You're correct the straps on the side slide thru too easily. With our 60lbs dog it's a mess. The whole harness slides then forward almost over his head and he ends up on the ground (we got it to support him at his senior age of 14; it's supposed to help giving him a lift up when his hind end gives out), so I keep saying this or any harness should have 2 loops attached that go around the back legs as well so that cannot happen. Do yours offer a back leg attachment? And a nicely cushioned one?
China? Knock something off?? Noooo.. hey in all due respect I feel your anger my friend. The worst part is? Is there even a way to sue for copyright infringement?
No. This is what keeps giving us the consumers dollar store items at crazy prices everywhere today.
So there’s a ton of harnesses on Amazon I’m really not sure what company you’re talking about?
We kept them anonymous on purpose
It could be any of them, all the reproductions come out of a few factories and then 1000 sellers all sell the same stuff as vendors
Sorry about people having your pictures but you need to trademark that stuff come on guys. Don't think about the price of the product. Think about protecting the reputation and another thought I had is this is just like the new car market. The car dealers were making a killing. It's a feast for several years now. Here we are. One day before the end of the fiscal year for car dealers and they're literally dying, no one can afford them. So the question is and it's a valid one. How is your vest? Five times better and even if it is, you better protect your images and everything with copy right or trademark. I'm not a lawyer but you guys drop the ball there
Kidding but yes need to know what is the best dog vest
I just got a Dutch Shepherd to work with and have been searching for harnesses and other gear. I’m buying from you guys based on this video…and the cussing (and reputation of course!)
👊🤘👍
It means a tremendous amount to me. Your products are second to none and I only buy them directly from you. Great video!
That’s funny…. It’s a knock off , it’s a replica, but then list all the different ways it’s not! 😂😂😂
What’s the harness and company? I searched a review for a PetNanny harness and then saw this video and looks identical. So is PetNanny one of the knockoff brands? Need to know so I don’t throw away $.
Do you have a design and utility patent? Just curious. Nice product! Got four dogs!
I just purchased one of your collars for my dog from your website. Quality is fantastic.
Awesome! Thank you!
Then sell the thing at a price point most Americans can afford.
Live in the EU, but shop Amazon US for products shipped to my country.
* looking for a solid harness for our Akita -
so far there is ForestPaw…
just found you (not sure about your shipping)
I have to admit I fell for one. I take my dog hiking, and we go to places that he could get in trouble, so I need something I could hoist him out from. The cheaper knockoff I bought not, knowing your store, the first hike out he wanted to take off and pulled right out of the harness. The straps are crap and so were the buckles. The buckles would come undone just by him pulling. The straps would always come loose. It is so bad that I cut it up before tossing it out so no one would use it. I would not give it away for free. Yours has been bomb proof and served us well. So worth every cent. Thanks for a great product!
Hi , dos all your Harness can yous to lift the dog? Or only some? And if so which one? Dunt worry ill Bay it strait from your site. Thenx.
Love the video, I've purchased from you guys for years upon years. I would never buy a cheaper product when it comes to my dogs and jeopardize the saftey and security... This video is not only a great way to educate the consumer on why.
Thank you
🙏
Why you should buy directly from manufacturers or authorized seller. If something’s price looks too good to be true, chances are, something is wrong with it.
Buy once cry once. Don’t fall for knockoffs!
I support your 100% American made product by American companies Has to be supported. I have one of your harnesses I’ve had for 15 years and I love it.
Unfortunately the reviews for the “cheaply made” knock offs contradict what this video is saying
MERICA!!!
That's why we only purchase from your website
Not defending this guy, but to everyone saying the ko has better reviews, you can NOT look at the 5 star reviews. Sometimes you can't trust the 5 star reviews.
Who are the reviews from? There’s a lot of people in China who will leave a review for a buck. Even for a regular Joe, a cheap ko might be ok as his dog’s life doesn’t depend on it. Someone may leave a good review for a K9 seat restraint saying it fits great. And it may fit amazing. But then when it needs to do its job and fails because of cheap materials, that good review ends with a dog going through a windshield.
Holy Shit I appreciate the video. I was just looking on the Amazon for something like this. I was about to get sucked into some shit thinking it would be ok….. Now I’m looking, knowing that they are shit. Wish I could afford your harnesses
Well said
Hey I'm really sorry that happened but you know besides the Cobra buckles people just see the harness and you can't survive when people are having a hard time making their car payments, mortgages, etc. So they jump over to Amazon and get a $28 vest that looks like yours. And sadly enough I looked at your products and I really wondered. Wow okay. If I was the law enforcement officer I would have this but as a dog sport handler is this overkill? I think this is the calculus a lot of people are doing in their mind right now. Do I get a team canine for $49 or Ray Allen for whatever you're charging which is probably significantly more? You have to be able to demonstrate your clients why they should pay that much. And your products are very well made. But you know welcome to cheap imitations but most people just walk their dogs with them. They're not dogs sporting these or doing IPO or what have you? And I'm a malinois and Dutch shepherd owner so I know the importance of a great product. But when they all look the same people make that mistake. And if your lead times are long people have, I want it yesterday mentality so they buy some $28 vest from Amazon. I'm guilty of that. I've got one right here that's lasted 7 years. I don't use it. But I get what you're putting down. But maybe you ought to consider having a second tier product line that is aimed more at the average dog handler. But maybe that will cannibalize your top line vest. I just know Ray Allen is better than what's on the market. If it's got Cobra buckles I want it. But anything beyond that you got to prove why it's good and that carries over to the $1,000 crates. The name of the companies escaping me right now but it's like come on man $1,000 for a dog crate versus 179 you got to tell me why I should pay 800 more... If I would have known this was going down I would have bought one and done a RUclips video for you cuz I know your product is top gun. It's just people have to pay the mortgage before they get top tier quality product for walking their dogs cuz most people don't even know what a cobra buckle is
Been looking for a harness for my Boxer K9
I think you’re just mad that someone is selling your product at a more affordable price. Stand by your product instead of complaining someone made the same thing for cheaper. Besides RA overprices their products simply because it’s RA.
Nope, if you need to depend on gear for safety he is right. I bought one and it failed. The crap gear will get someone killed. Furry or not we all want to return home.
Repel with your dog on a flimsy harness, watch the buckles or straps fail, and then watch your dog’s body burst open on impact 60 feet later. Then see who’s mad. Chinese knockoffs are garbage. Even if they were good, which they’re not, there’s something to be said for those who put in the time to develop a quality product. No, I don’t own a RA harness, yet. But I will be saving the pennies to buy a quality RA harness. I think my dog’s safety is worth the extra cash.
I think you miss the whole point of how its made and the quality of components that goes into it. Thus why its priced at that amount. I'm tired of things made with inferior plastics that crack, turn color or literally fall apart. Or other similar issues. Not just plastics but every fucking thing. Yet we get charged top dollar for lesser quality. We need made in America. Not made in China. Other 3rd world countries are stepping up to manufacturing. Some of the things coming out are really pretty good. So. If you don't make things, don't know how... Please take the time to educate yourself. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what you may discover. I'd be pretty fucking pissed if I lost/injured a working dog or other animal to inferior product that broke. Due to poor quality. Until you educate and understand don't say its jealousy. This company is getting complaints due to customers being sold things that they thought that they made. So... Don't call things the way you did. Maybe you never bought products made in America. I'll happily pay top dollar for a product I expect to last 20+ years or my life time. Not pick it up to use after it sitting for 1year and it's falling apart!!
There are lots of us that grew up with "Made in USA!!"
BTW... Its not just these products, it's everything around us.. Everything...
I don’t think that’s the whole reason I think it’s cause they tried to copy a RA product and did it poorly while marketing it as something that can compete with a RA product and if it’s “overpriced” then don’t buy a product that is made with higher quality materials like the video says it is made for a someone who wants a durable product or law enforcement and military
You sound broke.
If you’re going to cry about competition just give up
Honestly, if I would have come across one of these knock offs, I wouldn’t have bought it anyway although cheaper.
To me RAM stands for quality nuff said!!
Btw, I have one of the RAM ones and I must say, the best money I’ve spent on my dog.
I there would be a word in the dog gear world for sex appeal, than RAM
stands for it. Sadly, in kind of a bad way, it is some sort of a compliment. Only the best are copied.
Sorry it happened but that’s the world we live in now.
No respect! All the best to your company ! I have several RAM products and will keep coming back.
chinese proverb and one they live by seriously..."If you can cheat... then cheat" ... they do it better than anyone in the world.
I’m buying one just because I like you!
This happens unfortunately. Some of my favorite brands ( kitanica and triple aught design) have the same problem. That's why I only buy direct from you guys and my other favorite brands. No cheap Chinese knock offs for me!
So hey to all of you with your awesome comments...
These are the reasons why E-commerce was always going to be a problem. Its just like old mail order from Sears, JCPennys and all the old school businesses back in the day. But rarely back then do we get sent nasty inferior products. Because things were "MADE in USA" not unknown. That's also why when I shop, I prefer to go into a physical store and look, touch and feel products. To check the sewing done on it. (Ever wonder why your blue jeans are twisted or uncomfortable? Stitching.) The hardware used. Once I find something, I dig into the supply on the shelf for one that's not opened or handled and in good shape. I stick with tried and true brands even if their costs go up. Because I know they'll be in good shape used or not in 20-30 years. Yes, that long!! So, I expect all the things for my horses, cats & dogs to be in great working condition at all times. I wash my gear, hang it up to dry etc... Thus ensuring it's longevity. Buying online, isn't always the greatest. Check the return policies, and if you can buy more than one, especially if your not sure of the sizing. But, so you can pay s/h once. Return the one thats got flaws & not up to your specs. Return it. Keep the good one. Do it all the time. Grab a pile if your in a brick & mortar store, check them out. Throw the others back on hook or shelf. Even hardware used will have flaws in the metals. Not all are perfect. Some may not have been caught in QC inspections. If any.
Best of my tricks to successfully navigating online shopping. We all get screwed by online shopping or the credit card companies. I've had issues with them too. Their policies have changed in the late 90's to now. Due to the Internet. So, just don't click, click, click... Take your time, unless it's the last one. Good luck! 🤔🙏🤞
Thank you for fucking making real AMERICAN gear for my dog!
No respect for others work. Know the feeling exactly.
Sorry it’s getting bad
I always buy Ray Allen.
Never considered needing a harness, but I see one of y'alls in my future. Keep up the good work #MadeinUSA #BuyAmerican
It’s truly disappointing to see the number of “tactical” k9 equipment out there from companies I’ve never heard of or who obviously knockoff or produce trash and sell it for a fraction of the cost to unsuspecting customers. You get what you pay for couldn’t be more applicable and Ray Allen products stand the test of time.
China watching this video right now taking notes for their new and improved harness 😅
HAHA China got you. lol.