I'm gonna check that club out, I'm finally going to get new woods this winter. I'm down to ping, Calloway and now tsr. Currently I have the nike covert 2.0, doesn't and hasn't worked for me.
Already pre ordered the tsr3 to replace my tsi3 which is my favorite driver ever...the better look, sound. And better consistency is enough for me to upgrade..Also ordered the TSR2 16.5 FW
@@nigelio3 I wouldn't say the adjustments were game-changing but I do feel straighter with the TSr than the TSi but that's also because I'm in the 2 instead of the 3,.
I said this on Peter Finch's reveal video. I honestly think we are pretty much there with the distance on this current generation of drivers. Unless the USGA/R&A change their rules concerning driver performance then we won't see much more distance gains. But what drivers are doing is going the Ping G425 route and making their drivers more and more forgiving which is a big thing. Even Tour level drivers are becoming easier to hit and more forgiving of mistakes off the face. Add this to the distance gained and you are getting clubs that perform as well as the best drivers but hittable by mere mortals. I may never hit it 300 again (I'm 55) but I will have better scores and fewer lost golfballs off the tee. And isn't better scores the ultimate goal of buying a club?
Not to be disrespectful… but this is the kind of guy the majority of people need to watch… a guy with a somewhat human swing speed… not some guy with a 125mph swing speed carrying the ball 330+… wondering which club is better… The average golfer gets nothing from those other videos. Fun to watch, yes… but useless for the mass market golfer… definitely subbing
I went from the 905r to the TS3 and what struck me was how straight the face was on the TS3, ive heard the TSr face is more rounded, hopefully like the 905r
Ive never tried the 905, but the TS series is some of the best clubs ever made imo. I have the TSR driver, but still keep the TS 3 FW because it's by far the best fairway wood I've ever hit. There's really not much difference between the TSR & TS driver
I am so interested in the fact that you would take the tsr over the tsi. I’m a t3, and tsi3 owner and the adjustment features and consistency in the speed off the face of the tsi3 over the 2 always drove me to the t3 and tsi3. So, now that you and everyone else is saying so heavily that the tsr2 is better than the 3. I have yet to hit it but it so very much intrigues me.
@@andycartergolf if you can pick up free yardage and get the desired ball flight, I think one would be dense not to switch. I loved the first taylormade sim because of the huge gains I got over all the other drivers but the consistency of the Titleist just won out for me. I went from a taylormade r1 to sim and then have had consistently Titleist irons, woods, and drivers in the bag. I just went to the t100s and just love them. I think the new driver is finally available to hit in my local store so I can’t wait to see the fitted numbers difference. Being 6’5 almost true 6’6 I got 1.5” extension in irons and driver. Slower driver speeds great carry. My irons are also heavier shafts. But I hit my 60 wedge 155and pw 187. Lot of body mass to swing around.
I've got the SIM 2 Max at present which I'm happy with but I do like the look of the TSR2! I'd be interested to see how it compares in feel & forgivness.
I have a Titleist irons and a tsi2 hybrid my next club will be a 3 wood then driver - my goal is consistency off the face as I don't think distance can get much better with the tech and restrictions in place. Anyway great video Andy
@@andycartergolf Thank you, Andy. Unfortunately, I can always use more forgiveness for off-centre hits. Really looking forward to testing the TSr ... happy you gave us some videos to help with the curiosity (plus, I really value your opinion).
Al pick it up next year £200 cheaper when the hype dies down. Look at what happened with the stealth driver.never jumped ship still love my sim driver.great review tho ❤️ your videos mate keep up the hard work
Tried the tsr2 today it's ball speed is definitely not faster than my stealth. But the launch and spin was in such a better window if I hit a high toe with the stealth the spin is just too low. Where if I hit the high toe with the tsr2 the spin was in the 1700's and the carry and shot shape was really usable it kept within a decent size fairway and still had great launch and distance. It was impressive. But definitely not a faster ball speed I was averaging 152mph with tsr2 with highest I saw was 157 but my stealth I can easily get 155-157 and with a real push I've seen 168-170's
Months too late here, but not exactly a fair comparison with the 2 vs 3. The 2 is built for forgiveness. 3 and 4 and built for consistent hitters. I just got fitted at a demo day and the 3 was miles better than 2 for me, particularly feel and distance
@@andycartergolf at least you're honest about it, but I personally think they're entirely different clubs. They feel nothing alike and for once, there's actually a sizeable difference between them. Also worth noting the different shafts but ya have to make do either what you have which is fair
@@andycartergolf TSR 2 on order, the best driver I have ever hit and possibly the first driver for years that I can see a difference especially from odd centre hits
I’m curious, if I post a video of my swing with driver (with slow motion if preferred) in front of me and the same behind myself? Just for a few pointers. I don’t know if that is something you do? I just don’t develop respectable distance with my driver. I was an extremely handsy swinger of the golf ball and went for lessons to get a fix, if there even could be a fix, and got a lot of really good info. I learned I didn’t engage and turn my hips at all and the teacher had me swing my hips first to pull my arms down. Now, during the first two lessons, I cranked the driver from the end, where we were doing the lessons, to the end of the range where people were hitting, yikes. Needless to say, I was crushing my driver and not swinging that hard to get great results. Problems was I could never get that same distance and consistent control on the course without the teacher. I’ve been told time and time again I have a pretty solid fundamental swing but I just don’t get everything out of it; I think my weight distribution and my legs is my weakness. Just wandering if I posted a driver video I’d you’d be willing to critique and some advice on my errors? No hard feelings if no; I just had to ask. I truly love and understand your teaching method better than any golfer on the internet and RUclips. Cheers mate.
Absolutely, I’d love to help out. i use the coaching app - Skillest. The link is in the video description. We can get fully into the swing, analysis, fixes and drills over there.
Great video. But no f***ing way am I paying £529 for a golf driver. What a joke. You can buy a decent full set from our friends at Golfbidder for that price. My 16 year old son hits his second hand 917D3 over 320 yards. Technical advances only give marginal gains these days. Ben Hogan said it many times this is a game of timing, get that right and the speed comes naturally.
I’d love to see an uncapping of the distances these driver companies have and just let them open the door to drivers blowing normal yds in non-pga pro hands. If they want to cap the sports pros, their business, but Let the public get those handicap reducers. I don’t think the cap of distance is really needed. The distance can always lead to more problems with accuracy control, so let him have at it. But there seniors, a lot of amateurs, and ladies who could benefit from uncapping the true capabilities of these clubs. I typically hit my driver 300-320yds and that works for me but my friend, who is very athletic for his age has simply lost 50 or so yds do to age and back problems. For people like that, I think it would be a good thing.
Way out of my price range unfortunately, but a super review, as usual! What's with the fade, by the way? At your level of ability, it's obviously not accidental.
@@andycartergolf I know they did some work to make it to where ball speed and I guess spin stay the same or at least you’re not punished servilely for off center strikes
Do you really think reviewers are going to admit this new driver is not much if any better than the so called old ones it’s how they make a living after all .lol
well done. I do enjoy watching your videos. I swear you could do voice over for commercials for these golf companies. I would love to come to England for a month and play all those wonderful courses you have played. Suggestion have you, Peter, Rick and Matt play 36 holes for your favorite charity. Have the viewers donate money and the winner gets 50%, second get 30%, third gets 20% and 4th get 10% for their charity or some version of that but what's important is getting the views to be able to contribute to the charity. You could always make it a team event. I realize the difficulty of having money involved and it being safe and legit. But it would be interesting and to see if set up for a 2-day match would be exciting. Maybe have more than 4 players maybe 8. You could call it the RUclips English Golfer of the year tournament. Who knows maybe down the road invite folks for America and other countries to join. God bless Andy Carter and go low.
The COR standards were maxed out years ago. You are better off to find a good used driver head and spending money on a shaft. What launch monitor are you using? Your total distance should be more with those spin rates.
Unless you’ve got money to burn, or are making a living playing golf, there is simply not enough of a difference with this new model vs. the previous two versions to warrant spending $600.
Why not test TSR 3 against your TSI 3? Kinda like testing T300 irons against T100's and saying they go farther ????? Come on Andy, your better than this. The heat in Dubai has effected you 😉
Can you talk to the manufacturers and ask them to make drivers that have a smash factor of 1.60 for us old guys that don’t care if it is legal? They would make a shit ton of money.we don’t play in sanction tournaments we just want to hit it like we used to 30 years ago. Paint not conforming in scarlet ret letters on the face if they have to I don’t care
Tested the Tsr line and did feel really good, but don’t see the point of changing my Tsi for it. The problem is me, not the club 😂🏌🏼♂️⛳️
A good, solid, evidence-backed decision Andy - looking forward to you gaming it on the course.
Cheers
The little bit spiny one with the TSi was lower spinning and faster ball speed than the previous better struck one but was 5 yds shorter
I'm gonna check that club out, I'm finally going to get new woods this winter. I'm down to ping, Calloway and now tsr. Currently I have the nike covert 2.0, doesn't and hasn't worked for me.
Already pre ordered the tsr3 to replace my tsi3 which is my favorite driver ever...the better look, sound. And better consistency is enough for me to upgrade..Also ordered the TSR2 16.5 FW
Nice Rick, the FW are superb. Bigger advancements in this dept than driver i think
Was it that much better? I absolutely love my TSi3.
@@nigelio3 I wouldn't say the adjustments were game-changing but I do feel straighter with the TSr than the TSi but that's also because I'm in the 2 instead of the 3,.
@@andycartergolf Interesting. Thank you. Curious to see where I would be.
I said this on Peter Finch's reveal video. I honestly think we are pretty much there with the distance on this current generation of drivers. Unless the USGA/R&A change their rules concerning driver performance then we won't see much more distance gains. But what drivers are doing is going the Ping G425 route and making their drivers more and more forgiving which is a big thing. Even Tour level drivers are becoming easier to hit and more forgiving of mistakes off the face. Add this to the distance gained and you are getting clubs that perform as well as the best drivers but hittable by mere mortals. I may never hit it 300 again (I'm 55) but I will have better scores and fewer lost golfballs off the tee. And isn't better scores the ultimate goal of buying a club?
This analysis is spot on. 100% agree 🙌🏽
Thanks Thomas.
A great honest video! Where roughly is this range? Love the horses roaming around
Not to be disrespectful… but this is the kind of guy the majority of people need to watch… a guy with a somewhat human swing speed… not some guy with a 125mph swing speed carrying the ball 330+… wondering which club is better…
The average golfer gets nothing from those other videos. Fun to watch, yes… but useless for the mass market golfer… definitely subbing
A little bit of jealousy is coming out in your comment!!
Girls will always moan about the big hitters, just because you can’t do it little man
I went from the 905r to the TS3 and what struck me was how straight the face was on the TS3, ive heard the TSr face is more rounded, hopefully like the 905r
Ive never tried the 905, but the TS series is some of the best clubs ever made imo. I have the TSR driver, but still keep the TS 3 FW because it's by far the best fairway wood I've ever hit. There's really not much difference between the TSR & TS driver
I am so interested in the fact that you would take the tsr over the tsi. I’m a t3, and tsi3 owner and the adjustment features and consistency in the speed off the face of the tsi3 over the 2 always drove me to the t3 and tsi3. So, now that you and everyone else is saying so heavily that the tsr2 is better than the 3. I have yet to hit it but it so very much intrigues me.
The face is better for inconsistent hits! Meaning the ball speed and therefore distance was less variable.
@@andycartergolf if you can pick up free yardage and get the desired ball flight, I think one would be dense not to switch. I loved the first taylormade sim because of the huge gains I got over all the other drivers but the consistency of the Titleist just won out for me. I went from a taylormade r1 to sim and then have had consistently Titleist irons, woods, and drivers in the bag. I just went to the t100s and just love them. I think the new driver is finally available to hit in my local store so I can’t wait to see the fitted numbers difference. Being 6’5 almost true 6’6 I got 1.5” extension in irons and driver. Slower driver speeds great carry. My irons are also heavier shafts. But I hit my 60 wedge 155and pw 187. Lot of body mass to swing around.
I've got the SIM 2 Max at present which I'm happy with but I do like the look of the TSR2! I'd be interested to see how it compares in feel & forgivness.
I have a Titleist irons and a tsi2 hybrid my next club will be a 3 wood then driver - my goal is consistency off the face as I don't think distance can get much better with the tech and restrictions in place. Anyway great video Andy
Thanks Alex
A fellow Titleist fan with a TS2 in the bag ... been considering an upgrade ... wondering differences between TS, TSi, and TSr ... new video?
Between the TSi and TSr the main difference i feel is the face tech.
Much better for off-centre hits
@@andycartergolf Thank you, Andy. Unfortunately, I can always use more forgiveness for off-centre hits. Really looking forward to testing the TSr ... happy you gave us some videos to help with the curiosity (plus, I really value your opinion).
Al pick it up next year £200 cheaper when the hype dies down. Look at what happened with the stealth driver.never jumped ship still love my sim driver.great review tho ❤️ your videos mate keep up the hard work
Yep, I'd do this too aswel!
Tried the tsr2 today it's ball speed is definitely not faster than my stealth. But the launch and spin was in such a better window if I hit a high toe with the stealth the spin is just too low. Where if I hit the high toe with the tsr2 the spin was in the 1700's and the carry and shot shape was really usable it kept within a decent size fairway and still had great launch and distance. It was impressive. But definitely not a faster ball speed I was averaging 152mph with tsr2 with highest I saw was 157 but my stealth I can easily get 155-157 and with a real push I've seen 168-170's
Also how haven't tesla mentioned something about the T design underneath??
Just got my tsr3!
Nice! Enjoy it
Thank you for the review! Question: What tracking device are you using?
Flightscope Mevo
@@andycartergolf Thanks! You like it? Pretty accurate?
Months too late here, but not exactly a fair comparison with the 2 vs 3. The 2 is built for forgiveness. 3 and 4 and built for consistent hitters.
I just got fitted at a demo day and the 3 was miles better than 2 for me, particularly feel and distance
You’re right! But I only had a 2 and 3!
@@andycartergolf at least you're honest about it, but I personally think they're entirely different clubs. They feel nothing alike and for once, there's actually a sizeable difference between them.
Also worth noting the different shafts but ya have to make do either what you have which is fair
Love this review Sir and I’m hoping to get fitted next week
Enjoy it Tommie. Let me know how it goes
@@andycartergolf will do 👍
@@andycartergolf TSR 2 on order, the best driver I have ever hit and possibly the first driver for years that I can see a difference especially from odd centre hits
Sorry, random question. Where you just in Portishead? 11:00 am Sunday 11th walking around the Marina?
Haha yep that was me!!
The marina is our new home!!
@@andycartergolf consider yourself stalked….😂 Just joking, welcome to Posset.
I’m curious, if I post a video of my swing with driver (with slow motion if preferred) in front of me and the same behind myself? Just for a few pointers.
I don’t know if that is something you do?
I just don’t develop respectable distance with my driver.
I was an extremely handsy swinger of the golf ball and went for lessons to get a fix, if there even could be a fix, and got a lot of really good info.
I learned I didn’t engage and turn my hips at all and the teacher had me swing my hips first to pull my arms down. Now, during the first two lessons, I cranked the driver from the end, where we were doing the lessons, to the end of the range where people were hitting, yikes. Needless to say, I was crushing my driver and not swinging that hard to get great results. Problems was I could never get that same distance and consistent control on the course without the teacher.
I’ve been told time and time again I have a pretty solid fundamental swing but I just don’t get everything out of it; I think my weight distribution and my legs is my weakness.
Just wandering if I posted a driver video I’d you’d be willing to critique and some advice on my errors?
No hard feelings if no; I just had to ask. I truly love and understand your teaching method better than any golfer on the internet and RUclips.
Cheers mate.
Absolutely, I’d love to help out.
i use the coaching app - Skillest. The link is in the video description.
We can get fully into the swing, analysis, fixes and drills over there.
@@andycartergolf hey, that’s wonderful. Thanks so much. I’ll get that app immediately downloaded and get the ball rolling.
Awesome, look forward to seeing you
I would stick with TSi3. my guess is you may head back to that after a while!
Great video. But no f***ing way am I paying £529 for a golf driver. What a joke. You can buy a decent full set from our friends at Golfbidder for that price. My 16 year old son hits his second hand 917D3 over 320 yards. Technical advances only give marginal gains these days. Ben Hogan said it many times this is a game of timing, get that right and the speed comes naturally.
I’d love to see an uncapping of the distances these driver companies have and just let them open the door to drivers blowing normal yds in non-pga pro hands. If they want to cap the sports pros, their business, but Let the public get those handicap reducers. I don’t think the cap of distance is really needed. The distance can always lead to more problems with accuracy control, so let him have at it. But there seniors, a lot of amateurs, and ladies who could benefit from uncapping the true capabilities of these clubs.
I typically hit my driver 300-320yds and that works for me but my friend, who is very athletic for his age has simply lost 50 or so yds do to age and back problems. For people like that, I think it would be a good thing.
Way out of my price range unfortunately, but a super review, as usual!
What's with the fade, by the way? At your level of ability, it's obviously not accidental.
I have a lower back and left glute injury and its causing me some restrictions. Im working on it so hopefully i can get the rotation back
If you were hitting it further with a slower ball speed, that tells me the tsr3 is producing lower spin
The spin varied from about 2200 to 3000 with TSr & TSi3 because of ball striking whereas the TSr2 kept the spin rates 2400-2600 regardless of strike.
@@andycartergolf I know they did some work to make it to where ball speed and I guess spin stay the same or at least you’re not punished servilely for off center strikes
Looks great and I’m sure feels great but £529 no chance
Not cheap is it!!
TSR looks stealthier than the Stealth
Do you really think reviewers are going to admit this new driver is not much if any better than the so called old ones it’s how they make a living after all .lol
Q) How do we make a living from saying the driver is or isn’t better?
😂😂😂
I think Matt Fryer just said it was the same didn’t he?
“For me, it isn’t faster.”
well done. I do enjoy watching your videos. I swear you could do voice over for commercials for these golf companies. I would love to come to England for a month and play all those wonderful courses you have played. Suggestion have you, Peter, Rick and Matt play 36 holes for your favorite charity. Have the viewers donate money and the winner gets 50%, second get 30%, third gets 20% and 4th get 10% for their charity or some version of that but what's important is getting the views to be able to contribute to the charity. You could always make it a team event. I realize the difficulty of having money involved and it being safe and legit. But it would be interesting and to see if set up for a 2-day match would be exciting. Maybe have more than 4 players maybe 8. You could call it the RUclips English Golfer of the year tournament. Who knows maybe down the road invite folks for America and other countries to join. God bless Andy Carter and go low.
The COR standards were maxed out years ago. You are better off to find a good used driver head and spending money on a shaft. What launch monitor are you using? Your total distance should be more with those spin rates.
Could we see comparison with the famous Ping 425 ? This might be better for you ask RICK !!
@OfficialAndyCarter@TELEGRAM is this real
Unless you’ve got money to burn, or are making a living playing golf, there is simply not enough of a difference with this new model vs. the previous two versions to warrant spending $600.
I would not be using the mevo + to decide the differences as the data is poor and not accurate
The distances are ok but I do find the spin rates a little too variable.
@@andycartergolf I have one and stopped using it…distances are poor, you should be carrying it further that 260-270 with 114mph club speed
@@september7917pm I wasnt using premium golf balls. But the numbers are the there to show relative differences.
2 very strange things about this video - 1. you wearing a cap 2. you hitting fades! - any particular reason? (why now) 😁
Haha 1) i fancy a change 2) I have a lower back restriction and left glute injury which has hampered my flexibility
@@andycartergolf *oof* get well soon Andy!
Gain more yards taking a lesson vs shelling out more money for a club that's basically the same as you old one
Correct 👊🏽
Why not test TSR 3 against your TSI 3? Kinda like testing T300 irons against T100's and saying they go farther ????? Come on Andy, your better than this. The heat in Dubai has effected you 😉
Because I was fitted for the TSr2 and not the 3.
The 3 didnt perform as well for me.
Can you talk to the manufacturers and ask them to make drivers that have a smash factor of 1.60 for us old guys that don’t care if it is legal? They would make a shit ton of money.we don’t play in sanction tournaments we just want to hit it like we used to 30 years ago. Paint not conforming in scarlet ret letters on the face if they have to I don’t care
Honestly I don’t understand why they dont just do this. Not everyone competes in santioned events so don’t care about the legality!
Too many ads
RUclips puts them in, not me