I SO agree with your lob anticipation position comment! But also with your comment about the value of lob, especially in club tennis. In my age group (60+) I hit hard serve returns, therefore often being served Aussie. Recently I discovered that a high-arch hard topspin lob (either cross court or even down the line) is a great weapon in many situations, and boy, does that gas out the ex-collegian competition :)
Thanks Selket! It’s so simple…when you lob over your opponent (singles or doubles) you and your partner need to put your toes on the service line. Thanks!!!!
I’m ok with deuce court player pushing the net. Ad court player stays at service line to handle any lobs with overhead, another lob or volley off a drive shot or tweener. I’m a big believer in the Staggered doubles strategy by Pat Blaskower and her book the Art of Doubles. Has made my doubles play immensely better.
I COMPLETELY agree with you. It would not have been necessary for both players to rush to net or even to "toe on the service line." One player back can handle a lob. The other player covers the net in the event of a mistake by the opponent chasing the ball with his/her back to the net. Someone NEEDS to attack the net when an opponents back is facing them.
@@samuelrosslee408 That is why a team that attacks to the service line gives them the offensive position vice one up and one back gives you a neutral position and yes the guy back can cover the lob but that gives you no advantage so why not come to the service line and challenge the other team...
@@rsnatchell9685 The Guy at the net IS the advantage to an opponent with his back turned to the court. The added advantage is the opponent who was forced to face opposite from the court. That player is in a disadvantageous position. One player at the net should be able to cover any mistake or weaken shot coming to the net. The lob is often a defensive shot and especially from a player chasing a ball. Why does that lob need two players to cover it? It doesn’t. It needs one player to call for a switch if necessary or a simple overhead if not.
Finally! I admit on defensive lob I stay behind baseline but mostly because momentum is still taking me...lol, after I do get to lob back. I don't wanna get lobbed back...it is a weird feeling, to say something. I know I don't rush too close. One has to "wait" to see what they do and, as you said, there is more time than what people think. Always. Thanks for all the great tips. Love your "you've got this".
If you are a 3.0 or above player you should be able to hit overheads between the service line and no mans land so come up and be offensive if you want to win
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Great video. As a new high school coach question for you. Do you coach to put your toes on the service line because the success rate of hitting a volley, half volley, or overhead with your momentum moving forward is much better than if you're too cramped at the net and then have to hit one of those shots moving backwards? Most lobs aren't going to be as good as today in this video and will fall into the middle of no man's land. Appreciate the content you consistently create.
In this particular case where the passing shot would come from so far back this works. Usually when you’re opponent is moving backwards their best pass is a lob. But on a regular approach, you would have to come into the net. It’s about taking away their most likely option and giving you time to cover that.
Good analysis. What if your lob is decent but not over the opponent’s head but half way between the service line and the back line so your opponent will have the option of hitting an overhead or if they prefer a swinging volley or choose a lob volley? Would you move forward about 1/3 past the service line or still stay at the service line?
Thanks for the info! I have one question. My partner served and immediately moved forward to stay with me on the same row of front court. Since the serve wasn’t powerful, We got lob and lost point. My partner said it was my responsibility to move back to protect baseline when she moved forward. I was confused why my partner needed to move forward if we only needed one person in the front court where I was already there. Usually server moved forward was to give opponents pressure by presenting two defenders in the front court. Could you please advise? Thanks
Yeah that makes no sense. Why do you have to go to the baseline when she moves up. What’s the advantage then of her moving up if that forces you to go back to the baseline. She is incorrect. You did nothing wrong and lobs happen.
It don't get the impression they know why that went wrong. I heard you mentioning this before so I knew the answer. It is all common sense what you tell, really great.🙏
Players get burnt by this all the time. The stand somewhere other than the service line and then get caught. The problem is the coaching. Coaches aren’t teaching their players how to react to lobs correctly. When that happens then players will correct the mistakes. Thanks for the support!!
Im going to say, stay where you are and the RP moves up and to the right forcing a tough cross court on the backhand or a down the line. Either way its covered.
Thank you for the wonderful video. I have a question. I am a 4.5 player with 20 years of experience, and whenever I play doubles with people 3.0 and below, as my partner on the receiving side, they stand right in front of the net while the other team serves to me, which in many cases leads to a poor return and an easy putaway volley into an empty court, as my partner is helpless by sticking close to the net. I see this as a problem and tell them usually, as even pros don't do it mostly. But they are so used to it and they keep doing it over and over again which is really frustrating. Am I right or wrong in terms of positioning?
A 3.0 person won't pick it up so quickly. My advise is make them transition from baseline, and moving forward as your side takes the offense. But, no matter where they stand, receiving partner "guards" the net guy, not the server (chest to net guy).
I disagree ... if you put your toes on the service line, I'm going to hit the ball with nice topspin 2 or 3 feet in front of them and kick the ball up into their chest and now, how well are they going to hit the ball back? This video example may I say is showing college players that are suppose to be very good so they are very capable of doing what I would do. My analysis of this play was a very text book of offensive and defensive play! The issue I see was that the two players didn't stagger the court for volleys where one is slightly back to catch the return lob AND the wrong player went back for the ball and reacted too late.
@@2MinuteTennis That's great, but my point remains. If you think that is an example of quality movement during a doubles point (including constantly looking over his shoulder at his partner), maybe watch it again.
Sorry but we talked about this before. When you lob your opponent, you always move in. Every pro will do this because your opponent is running backwards and in order to hit a lob back to you, it would have to be high defensive lob which you can cover. Most pros will hit a tweener or some over the shoulder shot and if you played at the service line, you would lose the point. This second defensive lob that goes over Caru's head is very rare. Typically the lob is poor and never gets that far back and I've seen this many many times. But regardless, Caru was not wrong because he was in position to cover the lob. He partner just muffed the volley. Ryan, you always pick only the plays that support your position which is not right for a coach. You should suggest tactics that work for a majority of points and not just the rare ones.
Sorry Wally but I’ll continue to teach what I teach. There are plenty of other coaches for you to watch. If you don’t like what I teach you can simply stop watching my content. Pretty simple solution. Your comments won’t change my mind. Thanks!
It's the right tactic after lobbing. The optimum position is indeed the service line for both players. Maybe study more of your pros double before tell somebody who coached many many years your wrong opinion. It's not wrong to go closer to the net but the fact is that the optimum position is the service line to cover the worst scenario ...a great defensive lob
Wally, when my opponent is thrown back behind the base line, I ALWAYS stand just behind the service line, since just like Ryan said, even as you get older it's so easy to move diagonally to poach a cross court, step in for a direct volley or take two steps back for a delightful overhead, everything happens in like slow motion since you have so much time to react, and the opponent has only bad options for a shot.
I totally disagree with you. I play OFFENSIVE tennis to win. hardly no one can get a lob over my head when I am at the service line and I find it very easy to step forward and hit a volley if you are in this position to hit this lob Your comment that he was in position to cover the lob is what I disagree about. If he was in position then why did the lob go over his head ?
Dam coach, I value your advice, but the way you explain things is so freaking annoying, stop repeating, like literally just stop, stop repeating over and over one point and just explain the point you're trying to make without repeating and hovering over the same thing. This video could have been explained in 2 minutes as per you channel name but you repeat every one thing you are trying to say, it's really frustrating.
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I SO agree with your lob anticipation position comment! But also with your comment about the value of lob, especially in club tennis.
In my age group (60+) I hit hard serve returns, therefore often being served Aussie. Recently I discovered that a high-arch hard topspin lob (either cross court or even down the line) is a great weapon in many situations, and boy, does that gas out the ex-collegian competition :)
This is SO good! Your “toes on service line” has changed the way we play our doubles matches. Thank you!
Thanks Selket! It’s so simple…when you lob over your opponent (singles or doubles) you and your partner need to put your toes on the service line. Thanks!!!!
Very good explanation of the lob and positioning. Thanks.
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Happy to help you Jack!!
Thanks for the Great video coach!!!
So glad you liked it Omar!
I’m ok with deuce court player pushing the net. Ad court player stays at service line to handle any lobs with overhead, another lob or volley off a drive shot or tweener. I’m a big believer in the Staggered doubles strategy by Pat Blaskower and her book the Art of Doubles. Has made my doubles play immensely better.
I COMPLETELY agree with you. It would not have been necessary for both players to rush to net or even to "toe on the service line." One player back can handle a lob. The other player covers the net in the event of a mistake by the opponent chasing the ball with his/her back to the net. Someone NEEDS to attack the net when an opponents back is facing them.
@@samuelrosslee408 That is why a team that attacks to the service line gives them the offensive position vice one up and one back gives you a neutral position and yes the guy back can cover the lob but that gives you no advantage so why not come to the service line and challenge the other team...
@@rsnatchell9685 The Guy at the net IS the advantage to an opponent with his back turned to the court. The added advantage is the opponent who was forced to face opposite from the court. That player is in a disadvantageous position. One player at the net should be able to cover any mistake or weaken shot coming to the net. The lob is often a defensive shot and especially from a player chasing a ball. Why does that lob need two players to cover it? It doesn’t. It needs one player to call for a switch if necessary or a simple overhead if not.
Thank you - so good! 👍
Finally! I admit on defensive lob I stay behind baseline but mostly because momentum is still taking me...lol, after I do get to lob back. I don't wanna get lobbed back...it is a weird feeling, to say something. I know I don't rush too close. One has to "wait" to see what they do and, as you said, there is more time than what people think. Always.
Thanks for all the great tips. Love your "you've got this".
If you are a 3.0 or above player you should be able to hit overheads between the service line and no mans land so come up and be offensive if you want to win
Awesome - thank you!
Appreciate the support Frank!
Great video Ryan !!!!
Hey thanks so much Patrick!
Magistral, Ryan!
Great video. Tks Coach
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Great video. As a new high school coach question for you. Do you coach to put your toes on the service line because the success rate of hitting a volley, half volley, or overhead with your momentum moving forward is much better than if you're too cramped at the net and then have to hit one of those shots moving backwards? Most lobs aren't going to be as good as today in this video and will fall into the middle of no man's land. Appreciate the content you consistently create.
You’re 100% correct my friend. Thanks!!
In this particular case where the passing shot would come from so far back this works. Usually when you’re opponent is moving backwards their best pass is a lob. But on a regular approach, you would have to come into the net. It’s about taking away their most likely option and giving you time to cover that.
A+ advice!
Good analysis. What if your lob is decent but not over the opponent’s head but half way between the service line and the back line so your opponent will have the option of hitting an overhead or if they prefer a swinging volley or choose a lob volley? Would you move forward about 1/3 past the service line or still stay at the service line?
My answer was correct. I got this!
Thanks a lot^^
I was going to send it to my team but it was way too long for its point. A good point but no 2 minute tennis. 13 minutes?
Your team might not like that you decided not to share it with them. 😊 Facebook is called “Facebook” yet it isn’t a book of faces. Thanks!!!
Thanks for the info! I have one question. My partner served and immediately moved forward to stay with me on the same row of front court. Since the serve wasn’t powerful, We got lob and lost point. My partner said it was my responsibility to move back to protect baseline when she moved forward. I was confused why my partner needed to move forward if we only needed one person in the front court where I was already there. Usually server moved forward was to give opponents pressure by presenting two defenders in the front court. Could you please advise? Thanks
Yeah that makes no sense. Why do you have to go to the baseline when she moves up. What’s the advantage then of her moving up if that forces you to go back to the baseline. She is incorrect. You did nothing wrong and lobs happen.
@@2MinuteTennis Thank you so much for the confirmation! It is a solid concept for me to learn, much appreciated! :)
@@2MinuteTennis I also applied those strategies taught in your video to my games. Very useful!
It don't get the impression they know why that went wrong. I heard you mentioning this before so I knew the answer. It is all common sense what you tell, really great.🙏
Players get burnt by this all the time. The stand somewhere other than the service line and then get caught. The problem is the coaching. Coaches aren’t teaching their players how to react to lobs correctly. When that happens then players will correct the mistakes. Thanks for the support!!
Im going to say, stay where you are and the RP moves up and to the right forcing a tough cross court on the backhand or a down the line. Either way its covered.
Thank you for the wonderful video. I have a question. I am a 4.5 player with 20 years of experience, and whenever I play doubles with people 3.0 and below, as my partner on the receiving side, they stand right in front of the net while the other team serves to me, which in many cases leads to a poor return and an easy putaway volley into an empty court, as my partner is helpless by sticking close to the net. I see this as a problem and tell them usually, as even pros don't do it mostly. But they are so used to it and they keep doing it over and over again which is really frustrating. Am I right or wrong in terms of positioning?
A 3.0 person won't pick it up so quickly. My advise is make them transition from baseline, and moving forward as your side takes the offense. But, no matter where they stand, receiving partner "guards" the net guy, not the server (chest to net guy).
thats a good lob
Yes it was!
I teach this over and over and over and over but people do not do it....
20% + 20%+80%= 120% 😆 But I know what you mean!
120%?
Come to the point
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I disagree ... if you put your toes on the service line, I'm going to hit the ball with nice topspin 2 or 3 feet in front of them and kick the ball up into their chest and now, how well are they going to hit the ball back? This video example may I say is showing college players that are suppose to be very good so they are very capable of doing what I would do. My analysis of this play was a very text book of offensive and defensive play! The issue I see was that the two players didn't stagger the court for volleys where one is slightly back to catch the return lob AND the wrong player went back for the ball and reacted too late.
I am 66 years old and you would have MAJOR difficulty hitting that stroke and forcing me to miss it
Wow the guy in the sun visor has awful instincts.
These are very high level players. They can beat 99.999% of tennis players in the world.
@@2MinuteTennis That's great, but my point remains.
If you think that is an example of quality movement during a doubles point (including constantly looking over his shoulder at his partner), maybe watch it again.
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Haha awesome job!! You even beat me!
Sorry but we talked about this before. When you lob your opponent, you always move in. Every pro will do this because your opponent is running backwards and in order to hit a lob back to you, it would have to be high defensive lob which you can cover. Most pros will hit a tweener or some over the shoulder shot and if you played at the service line, you would lose the point. This second defensive lob that goes over Caru's head is very rare. Typically the lob is poor and never gets that far back and I've seen this many many times. But regardless, Caru was not wrong because he was in position to cover the lob. He partner just muffed the volley. Ryan, you always pick only the plays that support your position which is not right for a coach. You should suggest tactics that work for a majority of points and not just the rare ones.
Sorry Wally but I’ll continue to teach what I teach. There are plenty of other coaches for you to watch. If you don’t like what I teach you can simply stop watching my content. Pretty simple solution. Your comments won’t change my mind. Thanks!
It's the right tactic after lobbing.
The optimum position is indeed the service line for both players.
Maybe study more of your pros double before tell somebody who coached many many years your wrong opinion.
It's not wrong to go closer to the net but the fact is that the optimum position is the service line to cover the worst scenario ...a great defensive lob
Wally, when my opponent is thrown back behind the base line, I ALWAYS stand just behind the service line, since just like Ryan said, even as you get older it's so easy to move diagonally to poach a cross court, step in for a direct volley or take two steps back for a delightful overhead, everything happens in like slow motion since you have so much time to react, and the opponent has only bad options for a shot.
I totally disagree with you. I play OFFENSIVE tennis to win. hardly no one can get a lob over my head when I am at the service line and I find it very easy to step forward and hit a volley if you are in this position to hit this lob
Your comment that he was in position to cover the lob is what I disagree about. If he was in position
then why did the lob go over his head ?
@@4justiceagainstevil You are so correct. I have been playing this game for 38 years...
Dam coach, I value your advice, but the way you explain things is so freaking annoying, stop repeating, like literally just stop, stop repeating over and over one point and just explain the point you're trying to make without repeating and hovering over the same thing. This video could have been explained in 2 minutes as per you channel name but you repeat every one thing you are trying to say, it's really frustrating.
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