Great video as usual, Coach. Just one question, how do the net player of the receiving team know the return was going to be low, and be ready to poach at the soonest? As a net player, how often or in what occasion would you look back and check your baseline partner? Thanks from Hong Kong.
Great review. But I think there is more to learn from this short clip.. The server's partner is trying to move backwards when the opponent's net man poaches and hits the volley directly at the server's partners right hip. The server's partner is caught trying to make a very difficult volley while his weight is in motion, shuffling backwards and he is standing straight up while trying to defend against a low volley. The result is the server's partner dropping the head of his racket in a very awkward position to hit a volley while moving backwards. If you continue to watch the slow mo video, you will see the server's partner still falling back one more step after he makes contact with the ball, which shows that his weight is actively falling backwards while trying to make this volley. I suggest that if the server's partner had time to put his racket on the ball while moving backwards, then he has enough time to get in a good position to properly volley the ball back low to his opponents. The server's partner should have stopped moving backwards just before the opponent's net man makes contact with the ball. It would resemble a mini-split step. The server's net man should then assume that the ball will be coming towards his feet and he should drop his center of gravity down to try to volley or half-volley the ball back low. All he should be doing is trying to block the volley back low. Two players can easily practice this by having one player a couple of feet from the net start the drill by hitting volleys to the feet or hip area of the 2nd player. The 2nd player starts from no-mans land and tries to reflex volley/half-volley the ball back. The receiving player moves his starting position closer to the net man as he gets used to the quick volley exchange. I've done this drill with a lot of women that were very afraid when playing mixed doubles against a guy that poaches alot. The ladies confidence goes way up once they realize that they can defend against the poach.
Hello, Ryan. What other options did the server have when he was given the low ball? In this case, his return to the opponent cross court was intercepted by the opponent’s partner. Is there a better return?
Great analysis...what about the servers partner needing to shift more at an angle back to the middle service line to anticipate the poach and defend middle? The net person in general...instead of moving straight up and back...in modern doubles should move a bit more at an angle to middle service line, as the game is seeing more backcourt strikes down the line. This will allow the net player to cut off more down the middle shots.
Do what our club did. Drop-in doubles for players that are rated 4.0-6.0 only. You will learn a ton about playing doubles. I learned more in 6 weeks than I have in the last 10 years. Having the teaching pros coach the matches. It's amazing when your partner knows exactly where to be on the court based on each serve and or shot/volley.
Once the server’s partner recognized that the returner was running around the backhand return in the deuce court, isn’t that a signal for an automatic poach?
Thanks, I only wandering, if server would not jump in - he could make 2nd shot after balance much more aggressive even kind of defensive stay back (now he met ball in most inconvenient position).
What you’re saying is true. But it’s hindsight. You don’t know where your opponent will hit the ball. What if his ball lands near the baseline ? The point is low volleys are part of serve and volley. No shame in losing this point. Hindsight is 20/20. Thanks!!
Good basic analysis. Very useful for beginners and a little more experienced amateurs. What level did you say these guys are? I never get the US system (I'm from the Netherlands). But it would also be interesting to do a technical analysis of this rally. Because there are so many basic flaws in all the players' strokes. Well flaws...at least points of improvement :)
I tried that today: Looking at the opponent at the net after I watched the serve go in and twice my partner hit to the net player and then the net player hit at me. It seems like I was less prepared because I did not see the ball coming the the net player and I didn't have a sense of where the ball was. I was late to react and missed both shots. I see the college player does exactly as you are teaching. Am I missing something other than talent?
Haha “other than talent”. You’ll get used to see their racket lift and go to the ball. It takes practice. But trust me, you’ll start reacting faster than just following the ball the whole time.
The server's partner concentration drips, he doesn't have his racquet up in front of himself early and therefore defends poorly against the winning volley waving a backhand on the forehand side
I played a doubles match yesterday and I didn't know the partner, he was young, and i'm inexperienced so that was a little awkward and the other two were very connected. Anyway, they kept both moving forward standing next to each other just outside the service box and It was so hard to deal with and get around. Is a lob the only way? Their shot selection was so good it was hard to get a lob a lot of the time so we both just kept setting each other up to receive a killer volley from them.
Thanks for pointing out the net guy focusing on the other net guy. 3.0/3.5 guys you will win a lot more points doing this because your opponents are not.
Thanks so much Robert. There was a lot I left out of the video bc it would be too much, but I def wanted to show that part bc rec players react much better to poaches and volleys when looking at the first player who can hurt them. Thanks!!
If the server was standing closer to the center in order to place his serve up the T he did a poor job. The serve landed 3-4 feet from the center line and relatively short in the box. If he had hit it much closer to the lines the returner would have had a very difficult time. When coaching doubles my slogan for volley and passing shot placement is “ To defeat your opponents hit it at their feet “
Well, I’m not going to say he did a poor job. We all try our best. Fed’s first serve % is only 62% so even the best miss their target a lot on serves. We all do. Thanks!!!
Many are the same. There aren’t unlimited ideas to teach in doubles. And players need to watch these videos again and again for it to sink in. Thanks for watching!
Since this video is over 2 years ago even the amateurs are better nowadays!
New tactics, new skills and new mindset!
Love it. Thank you so much
Thanks, I am telling my friends to do exactly why you say. It is about switching constantly from offense to defense and moving accordingly.
Excellent video! Please make more like it!!!!
Nice demo Ryan, always look forward to learn new moves, I think I got this!
Thank you john!!
Love these analysis. More uploads please and i"ll keep watching.
Thanks so much!! I’ll keep posting them. Appreciate the support!!
Wow, so many points in 6 seconds!! Great!! Thank you~
Great video as usual, Coach.
Just one question, how do the net player of the receiving team know the return was going to be low, and be ready to poach at the soonest?
As a net player, how often or in what occasion would you look back and check your baseline partner?
Thanks from Hong Kong.
Great video again! Thanks.
Thank you so much Michael!!
Thanks for the analysis! Without you I wouldn’t know what to look for in a high level match.
So glad the videos are helping you!!
Love your videos! Thank you 😀👍
Hey thanks so much!! Appreciate your support.
Great review. But I think there is more to learn from this short clip.. The server's partner is trying to move backwards when the opponent's net man poaches and hits the volley directly at the server's partners right hip. The server's partner is caught trying to make a very difficult volley while his weight is in motion, shuffling backwards and he is standing straight up while trying to defend against a low volley. The result is the server's partner dropping the head of his racket in a very awkward position to hit a volley while moving backwards. If you continue to watch the slow mo video, you will see the server's partner still falling back one more step after he makes contact with the ball, which shows that his weight is actively falling backwards while trying to make this volley. I suggest that if the server's partner had time to put his racket on the ball while moving backwards, then he has enough time to get in a good position to properly volley the ball back low to his opponents. The server's partner should have stopped moving backwards just before the opponent's net man makes contact with the ball. It would resemble a mini-split step. The server's net man should then assume that the ball will be coming towards his feet and he should drop his center of gravity down to try to volley or half-volley the ball back low. All he should be doing is trying to block the volley back low. Two players can easily practice this by having one player a couple of feet from the net start the drill by hitting volleys to the feet or hip area of the 2nd player. The 2nd player starts from no-mans land and tries to reflex volley/half-volley the ball back. The receiving player moves his starting position closer to the net man as he gets used to the quick volley exchange. I've done this drill with a lot of women that were very afraid when playing mixed doubles against a guy that poaches alot. The ladies confidence goes way up once they realize that they can defend against the poach.
Hey thanks for the comment.
If u r a good observer.. think logically..And execute analytically..Thanks for sharing
Thank you so much!!!
Wow amazing analysis!!
Thank you so much!!!
Hello, Ryan. What other options did the server have when he was given the low ball? In this case, his return to the opponent cross court was intercepted by the opponent’s partner. Is there a better return?
Great analysis...what about the servers partner needing to shift more at an angle back to the middle service line to anticipate the poach and defend middle?
The net person in general...instead of moving straight up and back...in modern doubles should move a bit more at an angle to middle service line, as the game is seeing more backcourt strikes down the line. This will allow the net player to cut off more down the middle shots.
Russell you are 100% correct. There were about 6 other things I noticed that I didn’t mention.
Do what our club did. Drop-in doubles for players that are rated 4.0-6.0 only. You will learn a ton about playing doubles. I learned more in 6 weeks than I have in the last 10 years. Having the teaching pros coach the matches. It's amazing when your partner knows exactly where to be on the court based on each serve and or shot/volley.
Nice
Once the server’s partner recognized that the returner was running around the backhand return in the deuce court, isn’t that a signal for an automatic poach?
Please do a video on "Down the middle solves the riddle" on how that wins more matches.
Yes!! That’s coming soon!
Thanks, I only wandering, if server would not jump in - he could make 2nd shot after balance much more aggressive even kind of defensive stay back (now he met ball in most inconvenient position).
What you’re saying is true. But it’s hindsight. You don’t know where your opponent will hit the ball. What if his ball lands near the baseline ? The point is low volleys are part of serve and volley. No shame in losing this point. Hindsight is 20/20. Thanks!!
@@2MinuteTennis You are right - that pro staff.
Good basic analysis. Very useful for beginners and a little more experienced amateurs. What level did you say these guys are? I never get the US system (I'm from the Netherlands). But it would also be interesting to do a technical analysis of this rally. Because there are so many basic flaws in all the players' strokes. Well flaws...at least points of improvement :)
UTRs of 12.6+ probably closer to 13 for each of them. Futures/Challenger level players
I tried that today: Looking at the opponent at the net after I watched the serve go in and twice my partner hit to the net player and then the net player hit at me. It seems like I was less prepared because I did not see the ball coming the the net player and I didn't have a sense of where the ball was. I was late to react and missed both shots. I see the college player does exactly as you are teaching. Am I missing something other than talent?
Haha “other than talent”. You’ll get used to see their racket lift and go to the ball. It takes practice. But trust me, you’ll start reacting faster than just following the ball the whole time.
Thanks for the additional tip!
The server's partner concentration drips, he doesn't have his racquet up in front of himself early and therefore defends poorly against the winning volley waving a backhand on the forehand side
Sounds like 90% of club players in the world.
I played a doubles match yesterday and I didn't know the partner, he was young, and i'm inexperienced so that was a little awkward and the other two were very connected. Anyway, they kept both moving forward standing next to each other just outside the service box and It was so hard to deal with and get around. Is a lob the only way? Their shot selection was so good it was hard to get a lob a lot of the time so we both just kept setting each other up to receive a killer volley from them.
Thanks for pointing out the net guy focusing on the other net guy. 3.0/3.5 guys you will win a lot more points doing this because your opponents are not.
Thanks so much Robert. There was a lot I left out of the video bc it would be too much, but I def wanted to show that part bc rec players react much better to poaches and volleys when looking at the first player who can hurt them. Thanks!!
If the server was standing closer to the center in order to place his serve up the T he did a poor job. The serve landed 3-4 feet from the center line and relatively short in the box. If he had hit it much closer to the lines the returner would have had a very difficult time. When coaching doubles my slogan for volley and passing shot placement is “ To defeat your opponents hit it at their feet “
Well, I’m not going to say he did a poor job. We all try our best. Fed’s first serve % is only 62% so even the best miss their target a lot on serves. We all do. Thanks!!!
the funniest thing is the net returners feet in the air at 5.30 ..
Seems like all these doubles videos are just repeating the same things.
Many are the same. There aren’t unlimited ideas to teach in doubles. And players need to watch these videos again and again for it to sink in. Thanks for watching!