Retay vs Benelli Shotgun Farm Hunt!! (Which is Better?)
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I recently bought the Air King Masai Mara, 3 1/2" gun. It wouldn't cycle light 2 3/4" clay loads at first. I cleaned and oiled it good, and cycled the bolt literally 1000 times at home, and now it will shoot anything I put in it. It doesn't spit the light load shells out far, but it does cycle them. I really like the gun.
I bought the retay last year and it has been the best gun I've ever owned. The day I bought it I took it out without cleaning or oil and shot 4 boxes of 1 1/8 loads without a problem. I put some 1 oz in and it didnt like them. I havent tried since. That's the only ammo that hasnt ran perfect out of it. To me its not a big deal at all. Just as easy to find 1 1/8 as it is 1
I bought a $500 Matrix by Tristar, and it cycles everything, including the light loads. Has the fit and feel of a Wingmaster 870, and resembles the Benelli Montefeltro in features.
@@bgdesignandsolutions I have since shot the 1oz without a problem. I guess I just needed to run a few boxes through it. Still my favorite gun to date. Tri star makes good guns
Was one of the ones who asked and boy am I glad I got the SBE3, my cousin bought the retay and has had nothing but problems with it cycling. Spend the extra money folks and get the black eagle 3
sbe3 is fricken amazing. i got 2 of em. an a400 extreme plus as well. its nice but sbe3 handles and points way nicer for me. try some boss shells sometime. copper plated bismuth. patterns tighter than anything ive ever seen with steel. hits em hard too they die before they hit the ground. its deforms like lead so thats why they get em. very ethical kills. no running around after wounded birds at all
the dude1423 boss is all I shoot anymore lol
the dude1423 I got sb3 and an xtreme plus I love both but I take the sbe3 out more perfect shogun getting an extension for mine
Retay actually states on there website that there 3.5” models don’t like light loads and that if you wanna shoot light loads they recommend there 3” model
Bought a 2019 Benelli SBE3 Ducks Unlimited edition with the silver reciever and gold inlay. Best gun on the market.
I got the same
@Nacho Business I probably flare more birds than anything with the silver and gold in the sun, but shes dang pretty and smokes birds with confidence.
My Stoeger M3500 cycles everything I put in it. 1 oz to heavy 3 1/2. But I keep it clean and oiled, because that is a necessity on inertia guns. My Maxus will do the same. Nice to have shotguns that can switch on the fly like that without modification or changing something.
PLEASE, I need to see some GAS operated shotgun comparison. DEFINITELY want to see the "FABARM L4S Hunter" vs. Browning Maxus and/or. Winchester SX4.
My SBE3 has never not cycled and I have had it for two seasons not a single problem
Do a Remington 870 vs mossberg 500
This...
Mossberg 535 pump is what i own.. lol i want the maverick 88 jus for back up emergency gun. Or if one of the buddys need a gun
Gotta go with the Benelli . The Retay is nice but I don't like the way it works with light load
My new sbe3 only cost $1600 in bottomland camo. Love it.
I think you should try tri-star viper g2
I want that bottom land looks so nice but I got the plain black one. But it’s such a smooth shotgun I love mine
Only?
You should get a Remington versamax and do some comparisons vids with it
Nacho Business I agree my uncle has one and it my favorite I am considering one myself
I just got a versamax and love it shoots everything
I have a retay as well and mine also does not like light loads. I called retay and they said it does have a heavy spring and has a break in period.
run a case of 3.5 in the Retay and see if it loosens up
He said that's what he started the gun off with. Not sure how manny he ran through it. But in my opinion you shouldnt have to break a gun in to get it to work right. Just my thought
@@dustinschaefer1 most guns do need to be broke in. Running the gun more will smooth out what is catching on the bolt
I love my sx4 for £750 never had a jam 3/Half inch chamber and I shoot anything from 28 gram which is less than an ounce to 60 gram goose shells for half the price of the Benneli and just as good amazing vid
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agreed much better than a sbe3
A400 extreme plus vs SBE3
i like this
This is very good competition I have both would love to see a video of this
Agree on this one. I have the A400 and would love to see the comparison.
Use CLP on the rails of the Retay. It will cycle and never fail. Run it dry and it will short and FTF. Not a fair test at all to me.
I have SBE 3 and had it for a year. I have had not one problem out of it from 1 oz target loads to 3 1/2 magnum goose loads. I don’t take care of that gun like I should and only cleaned it good once. Very good shotgun
Saw Jordan's vid and was waiting on yours! It'd be cool to do a cheap pump gun challenge or review for people just starting out. Like Rem 870, Mossberg 500, etc. See any shooting differences and thoughts. Thanks again Bob!
H&R pardner pump 200 dollar gun that never quits
Throw in Stoeger p3500
870 always
I had a nova before my SBE3 and hated it. Never ran right and the load ramp would freeze in the cold and drop shells out the bottom
The retay seems very similar to my stoeger m3500, it takes a LOT of magnum loads to break it in for light loads
I feel like the franchi affinity vs stoeger m3000 would be a great head to head.
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Yes. This.
That should be really interesting!
love it
Love my m3500
Yes!!!
Probably the same as the stoeger 3500. Gotta clean the shipping grease and breakin with heavy loads. Never had problems with mine like lots of people have
For people looking for a little bit cheaper semi auto shotgun but is still reliable, I like the stoeger (made by benelli) and it has treated me well! They run about 650 for 3” 12g chambers and 800 for 3 1/2 i think...
I could be wrong but don’t some of those 3.5 guns with inertia driven systems have some problems with lighter loads?
I shoot cheap 2 3/4” target shells when clay shooting thru my sbe2 and never had a problem
I picked up a Remington V3 Waterfowl Pro after last season. Can't wait to get my first bird with it! I paid right about 1K for it, and I'd be pissed if I spent $1300 on a shotgun that acted like that Retay. If a gun is marketed to cycle all three shell sizes, it should not have that many FTF.
On another note:
DRINKING GAME: Take a shot every time Bob says "I love this Retay", "I'm not bashing any company", or "Honest".
I kid Bob, I kid!
I’m trying it!
30 mins later..... imma ned rid hmmm. Pless
oh yeah you'll love it! I have the regular V3 28 inch walnut and it is an amazing gun. Recoil is nonexistent pretty much and it will eject shells about 8-9 feet away from you. I've only shot skeet with mine and it's been flawless. I do have a Benelli M2 that I bought after it and I like it a little better only because of the weight difference. The M2 is a good bit lighter and swings better. My V3 takes a lot of muscle to get it swinging fast but if it was a plastic version I'm sure they both would be about the same
You’ll love the V3. Softest shooting auto there is. Feels similar to 870 but better balance.
Sbe1 didn’t fail me yet
That’s a yet though
When I first got my SBE3 was at the end of the waterfowl season and I shot 3 inch 2s and from there on I have shot light loads and no problem
Would like to see a Versa Max review, pretty close in price to the Retay
I got my sbe3 camo and cerkote for less than 2100
I got my Browning a5 this spring and I haven’t had any problems with loads. It lines up for me better than any shotgun I’ve ever shouldered
I think when you pay 1200$ for a gun it should at least cycle a certain range of ammo weight with out a problem.As you said Bobby Benelli is Benelli: history,technology,research,high end machinery,expert personel,Quality Control etc.Retay on the other hand is making a good try but it has a long way ahead even to think about comparing to Benelli.Here in Greece we have a saying: "The cheap staff is expensive".Save money and go with Benelli, it's 99% sure it will not dissapoint it's owner.
So function goes to Benelli. Between the 2 which felt more natural to shoot? Just feels better
For the jamming issue try cleaning the factory grease off the spring and try lubricating it might help solve the issue
I thought you were dead set against 3.5" shells in your early videos.... something change? Is there a benefit? I'm just curious
You should shoot teal loads out of the retay to see if it cycles them loads
Compare Stroger m3000 and a Remington Versa Max using light loads
My 1187sp 3.5 inch gun took years before it ran light loads... and i run it very well oiled but dirty
Bobby I have a Stoeger m3000 love that thing u should make a vid with that
I also have a M3000 absolutely love it. Maybe compare it to the Franchi. Knowing Bobby it’d be a little biased but it would still be neat to see. Fairly close in price.
Haha for sure
I love my m3000
I've got a p3000 and I've got some mixed feelings about it. Granted ive only put about 2 boxes through it
Ain't they all owned by the same company ?!? Stooger Retay and Benelli
Browning maxis 2. I have hunted 2 duck seasons with it and it absolutely the bomb never had a problem with it at all I have shot 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 and never had a problem . Hunted in the rain and snow and shot every time
Bobby, plz do a stoeger m3000 semi auto review
Word of advice if you get a Steoger M3000 do not buy the Camo version that stuff is crap I owned one for 2 months and the Camo stuff chipped off like crazy. So I got rid of it Get the wood one or black synthetic much better material. And also if you do buy one you will need to shoot at least 200 to 500 rounds of heavy loads like duck geese or turkey out of it to break in that spring. After that you should be able to fire less powerful loads out of it without any issues.
I've owned my Stoeger m3000 for six years and paint is still good using everyday between Crow hunt Dove Hunt Goose hunts duck hunts turkey hunts I may have got a good one camo still good only thing that took a poop was the ejector replace it with Benelli parts and been good scents
The difference can be whether or not the SB3 has the recoil reducer or not. My stoeger m3500 hates light loads unless you take the recoil reducer out of the stock.
Need to try out a sx4. Ive had one for 2 years now and havent had a single problem. Great price range for a great gun.
I run a sx4 with kicks high flyer full love it. Try a gas operation gun guys ! I went gas just because I can shoot just about any light load and I tend to shoot lots of trap and skeet
I have Browning Maxus, which is basically the same as the SX4 action wise. Shoots everything I put through it. Light 1 oz to heavy 3 1/2.
I'm stuck between a Remington V3 waterterfowl and a Winchester SX4. I'd like to see a comparison between those 2
Remington = better trigger, better balance, lifetime warranty.
I have heard Remington has gone down hill...I bought the sx4 as fter reviewing comparisons
derek koehler Remington has gone downhill? Being made in Portugal with a 7 1/4 lb trigger would be considered going down hill. My 1012 was a better overall gun than the sx4.
I like the retay
What’s the best duck hunting steel shot shell
Just purchased 2 Girsan MC312 ones a turkey gun and other my waterfowl gun. They are supposedly clones of Banelli M2, parts look identical and you can actually swap some parts over. Both were under $600, and man are the smooth.
I had cycling issues out of mine. I did buy a heavier recoil spring and hammer spring and put in it
Always been a fan of gas guns, I got my browning silver hunter on sale with a rebate for 1100 bucks canadian a few years back and it eats the biggest 3.5 inch 2 oz turkey loads and 2.75 inch 1 oz light target loads. If I shoot more than 4 or 500 shells without cleaning, it starts to hiccup with the lightest target loads, so yes they do need to be cleaned more than inertia guns but I've only ever had jams with the lightest target loads after it get really dirty. Never jams with any 3 inch or bigger. When its really clean and oiled up nicely it'll cycle 7/8 oz reduce recoil skeet loads. The benellis are super nice, but I just like how gas guns shoot, and I've shot a Beretta a400 and they're really well made guns but they're nearly twice the price as my browning and they don't do anything it doesn't do.
I have a Mossberg 835 ulti-mag. Functions ALL shells reliably. Kicks like a DEA agent coming through your front door, but I’ve never had to worry about shells exiting and entering the chamber.
I shoot a beretta and I absolutely love it
I have a browning A5 and it used to do the same thing as the retay and after I shot a few hundred rounds through it it started it cycle the light loads.
3 way comparison of Steoger M3000, Franchi and Benelli being that they are all owned by the same parent company.
You should try to get a lighter spring for your relay so you can shoot lighter loads
I have a sbe2 and once I shot the 3.5 it had problems with low base. Idk if it had to do with being hammered by the 3.5 not but I have the same problem now
To anyone that’s trying to save money when upgrading to a semi. I had a mossberg 500 then when I started getting serious in waterfowl I decided to upgrade to a semi but at the time I wanted to save some money. So I went with a stoger m3500. After about 2 season I got fed up with shells jamming and shells not ejecting. So I went a got a sbe3! Haven’t regretted spending the money at all. Will never cheap out on a shotgun again. So just do yourself a favour, save up and get the best gun you can. ( retay is a knock off benelli, Probally gonna have issues)
I have a Tri - Star Viper max 3&1/2 12 gauge I won at a Ducks unlimited banquet and I have shot every bit of 100 rounds through it and it does the same thang as the retay some guns just don’t like light loads . On they other Hand my Remington V3 12 gauge I have I have shot around 2,000 rounds through it and never had a jam or mouth function has to be my favorite shot gun I own is the Remington V3 and it shoots light loads and big loads through it straight out the box
Sent my retay back after putting 14 boxes of shells through it, since I was having the same issues as you. They modified a spring and sent me back my standard spring so I had the options. You did good on now putting a certain company down.. a lot better then I would have. As far as I’m concerned I bought a $1400 canoe paddle
Buy a benelli m2 pretty much same gun as sbe3 just doesn't do 3.5 inch and is 1400
I have the exact same retay , except 3” , I put almost 750 rounds through it last season , had 1 maybe 2 jams , and I think it was because it was dirty . Great video as usual Bobby!
Inertia driven guns should run just fine dirty that’s why they are so reliable
Eric Anderson , well they’re not designed to never be cleaned... it was dirty, I cleaned the action, and it was flawless for another 500 rounds.
Good point Wildfire. The 3” chamber will better cycle lighter loads than a 3.5”. As for your rare jams on the Retay, they could have also been due to any rearward movement while you were firing. All inertia actions, including Benelli, are subject to this.
Are you shooting high brass or low brass in my beretta it doesn’t like cycling high brass loads that could be it as well
Bah, get benelli never worry about load weight, brass height or any such things. 4000 rounds and 2 stoppages (due to damaged brass), 21-56 gram loads.. 95% of wich was steel 24gram
You should do beretta A400 vs Benelli SBE 3
I’d like to see a video on the sx4 vs sbe3
A little gun smith trick i had too do it on my stoeger to get it too shoot light loads. Take and wipe that gun completely dry of oil it won’t hurt a inertia driven gun to be run dry if the oil is a little thick it causes just enough resistance to not kick those light loads out. And the second thing if that doesn’t work take and put a weight in the butt stock u can get them on midway USA or any gun website. Just a little advice if u really like the gun but if u don’t care for it much that franchi and benelli is hard not too take to the field if it works every time u pull the trigger
Bobby You should do a Tristar Viper Max review
Retay are trash jammed everytime I shot 2 3/4 in shells. Traded for a sbe2 and I’ve never had a jam until I dropped it in the mud
If there’s a recoil weight in the butt stock of the Masai Mara it will prevent 2&3/4” shells from cycling. My Stoeger M3500 had that issue. It came installed in the gun already and I just had to take it out and leave it out. I didn’t notice much difference when shooting 3.5” with and without it but it cycles 2&3/4” without fail now.
Hello Bobby and Jordan , Retay vs Benelli - what do i say? I think all semi auto's jam from time to time i do know that 3.5 chambers do not like small loads . What a great vid, Ann and l would like to see you and Jordan do a pigeon hunt with a pair of Remington 1100's. After all they were made in the States. A great gun! We have shot them for years and years. We have to give the Benelli top marks! Ann and Malc (England) U K take care xxxx
To be fair. The only reason Retay built an inertia gun is because Benelli's patents have expired on their components. So, Retay is trying to nail that market with a more affordable price point. Cheaper means less refined plain and simple.
Stoeger m3500
It has to be taken apart and cleaned of the factory GREASE. It wou7ld run all day if you get the factory grease off the tube and spring!
I cannot remember which shotgun it is that comes with 2 different springs. I saw a video on it and I thought it was the Retay. Just cannot remember. I have a Montefeltro and an Ethos and an M3000. Nothing shoots better than the Ethos but the Montefeltro is as close as any I’ve found.
Who else ready for duck season? I’m dying to get back out there.
meeee
Just put a new bead on and cleaned the ol girl just yesterday!! Geese start sept 1 here in New Brunswick Canada
Anybody try herters shot shells?
@@craigmcfadden6538 I have shot 2 cases of the Herters shell at snow geese. Do not have any troubles in a Beretta A350. I will say the powder is not clean burning so you will need to clean your gun more.
@@bradrobb5633 thanks man
Oh ya
Bobby I'll say it if you wont there's not another gun on the market that can compare to a benelli
Thanks for doing these! Had the same issue. They actually sent me a modified lighter spring and it seemed to run 98% of the time. I have around 1000 rounds through mine and I had to send it back for the second time now because the bolt carrier shell latched wore out of speck & locked the gun up.
Both inertia shotguns. Is it a grip/hold issue? 'Limp wristing' an inertia gun = failure to cycle. Gas guns run one handed.
I’m looking to get a new duck and goose call. When will you guys start making the duxs ones again.
they’ll be available early august and they’re badass!
I’ll be picking them up come August. Thanks.
You should try a CZ-USA 712 G2 or a 1012.
With the light loads for the one that shoots the 3 1/2 check if they have a different compression ring in the fore-end if so one will say heavy load and the other one will say light load. More than likely it has the heavy load one in. The other compression ring is probably at the top of the fore-end were you unscrewe it to take it apart in that hole.
I've never liked recoil operated guns other than an old Browning A5 Light 12, I have owned 2 Benelli's, an M2 and a SBE 1 both have been finicky with light loads and the M2 would not feed slugs of any kind even with a dedicated Benelli rifled slug barrel. I have always loved my Beretta auto's for waterfowl hunting, Winchester and Franchi Over and Unders for Clay sports and upland bird hunting.
Have you pattern tested the Retay from a stable rest? If so, I'm curious as to where the POI was in relation to the POA. Thanks
I've got the masai mara 28" 12 ga. Been patterning it for turkey lately.. everything shoots low, 15 yd - 60 yd it shoots very low, not a little bit, a very annoying amount low. Not sure if it's just mine. I've used several loads from dove to turkey with OEM chokes and a Kicks .660 turkey and the POI is always low. I may try swapping some shims, but I don't think that's the issue.
@@SCwrestlerTTSB I had one of those things last fall. It's POI was about 7" below the POA. I sent it back and they agreed it shot low but said it was within their tolerances. They offered to BEND the barrel but laughed when I suggested the barrel needed replacing. Told them to send it back and I promptly traded it.
Seems Retay has two problems, Quality Control and Management. Their guns seem to work great, they just don't shoot where pointed. But hey, lots of guys were lucky and got good ones.
@olegig damn thats crazy they offered to bend the barrel but no replace it, wtf!? I've heard people sending them back to fix the cycling issues with light loads, and Retay saying there's nothing more they can do. But if I buy a $1200 gun and 15 yds it shoots 3-5" low, 20yd 5-6" low, and 40-50yds is over a ft low there's an issue.
@@olegig5166 curious what you traded it for
@@SCwrestlerTTSB browning silver
Try the winchester sxp. I used it for 5 years without a hitch. I have ran 2 3/4, 3, and 3.5in with no problem. It will be a back up gun since I have picked up a stoeger. The inertia assisted pump is crazy fast for a pump.
Sxp black shadow was my first ever gun. Ive done nothing but ride it hard and put it away yet and i dont remember having an issue. I do want to upgrade soon though.
The Retay should cycle all loads .Strip and clean it. Take off the ported choke , and put on a factory choke . Shoot a case ,1 1/8 , 1250 fps , or faster , factory loads at the range to help break it in . Hopefully this helps .
Yo what's up Bobby. You should lube up your retays bolt really well and just shoot a bunch of light loads through it and get her all broke in. With my first retay I had to shoot about 200 rounds through it and oil it up and just sit there and work the bolt and that should get her all broke in for ya
Comparisons are always great for sure!! I have nothing in mind but good stuff.. I know my handguns VS handguns videos do really well. Those are two beautiful shotguns for sure!!
I bought a 12 ga Retay last week and have yet to shoot it.. 28" Masai Mara and I damn sure didn't buy it to shoot 1 1/8 or less loads.. They make 20 gauges for that.. Will update when I get to break it in this week!
How bout the a300 vs v3??
If anyone is thinking about a Benelli but can't spend $1200-2000, I bought a Supernova for around $500 and I love it so far.
good gun👊🏻
I have a benelli supervinci and love it need to shoot more 3inch or 3.5 loads to loosen the spring like i did and it will cycle everything
Oh man I just dropped the hammer and got an SBE3 in Optifade Timber today. The geese are going to hate me!
Did you get the cerakote version?
Justin Malone I considered it cause they had it in stock for the same price but there’s just something about the gun being all camo
My A5 has the same issue. Shoots flawless In the duck blind but I take it to the skeet range and it’s a single shot. It is frustrating buying a 1600$ gun and it not be able to shoot and cycle smaller loads effectively.
I bought a retay masai mara 20ga 3" definitely one of the better shotgun I have shot.
Love these comparison vids! To those of you shopping for a good value, inertia action auto, check out the Weatherby Element. My 12 GA is a Franchi Affinity and it’s been a workhorse for 7 years. But I wanted a 20 GA for dove and quail and didn’t want to spend over $700. Landed the Weatherby Element Upland (walnut stock) for a miracle price of $450 on Gunbroker. Thus far, it’s been 👌. I’ll update my recommendation/reply after the Dove Opener if I have any problems/issues.
i have a retay masai mara tha shoot light lod with it but i dont think its a 3 and a half inch
Benelli =perfection
i think u should get a beretta a300 just to try and see what ya think ive got one and have used it for 4 seasons and never jammed and its only 700 bucks
I think the stop at the end of the video is the bolt hitting the hammer, but I am not sure.
My retay does not kick the 2 3/4s out either I got the same retay
You should do the benelli pump vs a Remington 870 or mossberg 500
I would also trust a reputable brand like Benelli, Beretta, Remington, or Mossberg instead.
I would take that retay over any you mentioned except maybe a benelli.
I've have just the switched back to Winchester for my light loads. I have been having troubles with the fed. and their customer service has not been good at all. I have reached out to them multiple times with no response. so I made the switch
Please please try out a TriStar. Please